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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 21st, 2009

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tacone last apple insanity: http://www.tuaw.com/2009/03/18/appl… Mar 21 00:14
MinceR lol Mar 21 00:17
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oiaohm “However, ACMA advises that there are URLs on the published list that have never been the subject of a complaint or ACMA investigation, and have never been included on the ACMA blacklist.”  That line that you quoted schestowitz Mar 21 00:21
oiaohm That really shows the status of the ACMA the minister has never seen the black list. Mar 21 00:22
oiaohm So how can he know what was and was not on it. Mar 21 00:22
oiaohm Other then ACMA also prosecutes people for false respentations.   So even if the list is false they will be out to attack someone. Mar 21 00:23
_Hicham_1 flash on linux always sucks Mar 21 00:34
oiaohm Using adobe flash or the open source version _Hicham_1 Mar 21 00:35
oiaohm Open source version yes it suxs. Mar 21 00:35
_Hicham_1 even the proprietary sucks on old machines Mar 21 00:36
_Hicham_1 it is such a resource hog Mar 21 00:37
oiaohm flash on windows is not much better. Mar 21 00:37
_Hicham_1 oiaohm : better than linux anyway Mar 21 00:37
oiaohm Most people don’t see it running a service as SYSTEM user on windows. Mar 21 00:37
_Hicham_1 flash? Mar 21 00:38
oiaohm Yes flash. Mar 21 00:38
_Hicham_1 didnt notice that Mar 21 00:38
oiaohm Some of its memory usage is hidden on windows. Mar 21 00:38
_Hicham_1 that is how they optimize it? Mar 21 00:38
_Hicham_1 wow Mar 21 00:38
oiaohm Yep. Mar 21 00:38
oiaohm Note system user can remove every file from the harddrive with the OS is running under windows _Hicham_1 Mar 21 00:39
_Hicham_1 I know Mar 21 00:39
_Hicham_1 the system user is a super user on windows Mar 21 00:39
oiaohm So I would never call Windows flash better. Mar 21 00:39
oiaohm Linux flash is more truthful and secure. Mar 21 00:40
_Hicham_1 so the flash plugin is just a backdoor running inside a browser Mar 21 00:40
_Hicham_1 how can u tell? Mar 21 00:40
oiaohm Some of the exploits that worked on old flashs under windows don’t work under Linux because it does not have a super user. Mar 21 00:40
oiaohm Under windows flash can be a back door. Mar 21 00:41
oiaohm Last years pwn2own hacker exploited the system user server of flash on windows to take home the windows laptop. Mar 21 00:41
_Hicham_1 Windows is just a slappy whore Mar 21 00:41
oiaohm When something is running better under windows start asking how. Mar 21 00:42
oiaohm Lot of the answers are not good. Mar 21 00:42
_Hicham_1 I know that windows has a bad record with security Mar 21 00:43
_Hicham_1 i never trust it Mar 21 00:43
oiaohm Vista made it worse. Mar 21 00:43
oiaohm More applications are using services to avoid UAC under vista still as system user. Mar 21 00:43
oiaohm UAC increased the numbers of exploit points in windows not decreased them. Mar 21 00:44
oiaohm So all the users pain was for nothing. Mar 21 00:44
_Hicham_1 fucking microsoft with fucking architecture Mar 21 00:44
_Hicham_1 I dont know why they still develop products Mar 21 00:45
oiaohm Windows NT base design is basically perfect. Mar 21 00:45
_Hicham_1 all what they do is help spreading virii Mar 21 00:45
oiaohm Just Microsoft developers don’t follow it. Mar 21 00:45
_Hicham_1 well, nt have been merged with 3.1 kernel Mar 21 00:45
_Hicham_1 that what gave XP Mar 21 00:45
oiaohm NT design is a design of a Real-time os. Mar 21 00:45
oiaohm That was the first thing they screwed up. Mar 21 00:46
_Hicham_1 why they merge 3.1 with is it then? Mar 21 00:46
oiaohm Put the wrong locking system on top so the Real-time support no longer worked then. Mar 21 00:46
oiaohm They never merged with 3.1 Mar 21 00:46
oiaohm Error after error.   NT perfectly good permissions system. Mar 21 00:47
oiaohm Services can start up as lower users if set. Mar 21 00:47
oiaohm Guess what the features are there just not enforced. Mar 21 00:47
oiaohm Most of windows problems are pure lazyness. Mar 21 00:47
_Hicham_1 lazyness or because there are lobbies that do not want a secure system? Mar 21 00:49
oiaohm Its why people like me who do secuirity audits almost fell like killing someone at MS.  Its not like the OS is not able to do secuirty reasonablely well. Mar 21 00:49
MinceR “develop” is a strong word for what m$ does with products Mar 21 00:49
_Hicham_1 microsoft buys products Mar 21 00:50
_Hicham_1 wraps them into a nice GUI Mar 21 00:50
oiaohm If MS was building a bridge design would be good but everything would be tack welded. Mar 21 00:50
_Hicham_1 and sells them Mar 21 00:50
MinceR nice? Mar 21 00:50
oiaohm So a some random point the complete thing would fall into the river. Mar 21 00:51
_Hicham_1 MinceR : yes, they have a lot of artists Mar 21 00:51
oiaohm Hopefully when no one was driving on it. Mar 21 00:51
MinceR if m$ was to build a bridge, first they’d build an existing bridge, then hack it around to appear “nicer” but in the process they’d make it useless as a bridge Mar 21 00:51
oiaohm MinceR NT they did build from scrach. Mar 21 00:51
oiaohm and its basicaly tack weldered so it works. Mar 21 00:52
MinceR correction: some people they’ve borrowed from DEC did build it from scratch Mar 21 00:52
oiaohm Developer they got from DEC designed NT. Mar 21 00:52
MinceR adding m$-grade stupidity to the dinosaur design of VMS Mar 21 00:52
MinceR afaik that guy brought his own team with him. Mar 21 00:52
oiaohm then other MS developers were assigned to build parts. Mar 21 00:52
oiaohm Anything done by the DEC guy team is done right. Mar 21 00:53
oiaohm Anything done by the MS existing team has been a level 10 nightmares. Mar 21 00:53
oiaohm Basically tack welded NT so it looked right so they could sell it with the idea of fixing problems latter. Mar 21 00:53
MinceR gn Mar 21 00:54
oiaohm Problem is next lot saw the tack welds and tacked more on and more on … Until you have major nightmare. Mar 21 00:54
oiaohm Linux kernel also has had the developer equals of tack welds in places. Mar 21 00:54
oiaohm Big Kernel Lock in Linux kernel was basically a tack weld that was 98 percent slag and working by some form of luck. Mar 21 00:55
oiaohm Remember code development and engineering have a lot in common. Mar 21 00:56
oiaohm Biggest problem MS has these days is some of the applicatiosn that use windows depends on there tack welds. Mar 21 01:01
Balrog I heard reports that NT at least worked somewhat. Mar 21 01:05
Balrog (Version 4 this is) Mar 21 01:05
oiaohm Right from the first release version of NT there were tack welded sections that still exist in Windows 7. Mar 21 01:06
oiaohm Resources have going into making windows looking pritty instead of removing core faults. Mar 21 01:07
_Hicham_1 that is the main goal of microsoft Mar 21 01:09
_Hicham_1 always create new theme engines Mar 21 01:09
Balrog stuff that might have been needed back then, but no longer needed now Mar 21 01:11
Balrog like Mac OS Classic … portions of OS 9.2.2 code were directly descended from 0.97 Mar 21 01:12
Balrog actually, *much* of the code Mar 21 01:12
oiaohm Funny enough requirements for a graphical workstation have not really changed since 1887. Mar 21 01:12
oiaohm Ie pre NT existance. Mar 21 01:12
Balrog but memory management, disk management, stuff like that has changed Mar 21 01:12
oiaohm Tech chanaged yes. Mar 21 01:13
oiaohm Base requirements what they should do has not. Mar 21 01:13
Balrog then they try to shoehorn support in, which in the case of Mac OS 9 and below, failed miserably Mar 21 01:13
Balrog it wasn’t designed for that at all. Mar 21 01:13
oiaohm Mac OS 9 and before had design glitches. Mar 21 01:13
oiaohm It was not designed as a multi user workstation. Mar 21 01:14
oiaohm NT was designed to be a server and workstation OS. Mar 21 01:14
Balrog not only that … large portions were in 68K assembly, even after it became PPC, and changing it would break programs badly Mar 21 01:14
oiaohm You forget NT used to run on PPC. Mar 21 01:15
Balrog you’re right about that; I’m not speaking about that part here…. Mar 21 01:15
Balrog oiaohm: sure did. But NT didn’t rely on emulated 68K code Mar 21 01:15
oiaohm NT was designed CPU netural. Mar 21 01:15
Balrog but that fell through very quickly Mar 21 01:15
oiaohm This is my point NT design is great. Mar 21 01:16
oiaohm Current day implmentation eep stuffed. Mar 21 01:16
Balrog NT design was ok, early on. It fell apart fast. Mar 21 01:16
Balrog but NT was not really MS-designed Mar 21 01:16
oiaohm Due to tack welding. Mar 21 01:16
Balrog it came from VMS and OS/2 Mar 21 01:16
oiaohm Ok we cannot work out how to use locking that is real-time compadible. Mar 21 01:16
oiaohm So we just use spinlocks that are not real-time compadible so breaking the RTOS feature of nt Mar 21 01:17
oiaohm And the list goes on. Mar 21 01:17
Balrog yeah…. Mar 21 01:17
oiaohm Short cut after Short cut. Mar 21 01:17
Balrog laz programming Mar 21 01:17
Balrog lazy * Mar 21 01:18
oiaohm Linux kernel is at long last starting to remove its tack welds. Mar 21 01:18
Balrog worst problem you can have Mar 21 01:18
oiaohm Linux has been good there tack welds have not been exposed to user mode programs. Mar 21 01:18
Balrog well, the module ABI is very unstable Mar 21 01:19
Balrog different for each build of the kernel Mar 21 01:19
oiaohm MS other problem. Mar 21 01:19
oiaohm There driver ABI has tack welds in it and they have set them in stone. Mar 21 01:19
Balrog not a good thing Mar 21 01:19
oiaohm Yes the downside of binary drivers. Mar 21 01:20
oiaohm If you internals are crap you get stuck with crap internals. Mar 21 01:20
Balrog yeah… Mar 21 01:20
oiaohm Linux kernel has very valid reason not to make its ABI constant. Mar 21 01:20
oiaohm For drivers. Mar 21 01:20
Balrog that causes problems for people who want to use certain apps; but the companies who write those apps are to blame Mar 21 01:21
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oiaohm Windows internal design might be passed repair without upsetting lots of users. Mar 21 01:22
Balrog we all say what happened when they changed the ABI in vista…. Mar 21 01:23
oiaohm That was correcting the video stack. Mar 21 01:24
Balrog see * Mar 21 01:24
Balrog yeah, among other things Mar 21 01:24
Balrog they made a few other changes with drivers as well, I heard Mar 21 01:24
oiaohm There are a few points in the driver stack that will take out 99 percent of all drivers for windows forcing them to be redisgined left. Mar 21 01:24
oiaohm Basically 0 percent driver backwards compadiblity. Mar 21 01:25
Balrog not good. Mar 21 01:25
oiaohm Does this explain why MS has been talking about doing away with NT based and going to a new .net based OS. Mar 21 01:26
oiaohm Pain is about going to be equal. Mar 21 01:26
Balrog do you think that will ever happen? I smell vaporware here Mar 21 01:27
Balrog also doing that sounds a lot like Mac OS 9 –> OS X Mar 21 01:27
Balrog except that Apple has control of hardware ……. Mar 21 01:27
Balrog MS doesn’t. Mar 21 01:27
oiaohm In embeded devices MS already sells a .net based OS. Mar 21 01:28
Balrog what’s it called? Mar 21 01:28
oiaohm http://www.windowsfordevices.com/a…  << That. Mar 21 01:29
Balrog it’s easy to write an os for that kind of stuff (in relative terms) Mar 21 01:31
Balrog limited feature set, limited hardware…. Mar 21 01:31
_Hicham_1 oiaohm : where do u work at? Mar 21 01:45
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MethodOne did you know that ncaa basketball games can be viewed only on windows and mac os x because of silverlight? Mar 21 01:46
_Hicham_1 MethodOne : use Moonlight then Mar 21 01:47
MethodOne i get the unsupported platform message when i try to view the games Mar 21 01:58
MethodOne i feel that i have no use for moonlight because a lot of the sites i know of that use silverlight are bribed by microsoft to use it Mar 21 02:00
_Hicham_1 MethodOne : write to the webmaster Mar 21 02:00
zer0c00l MethodOne: May be change your browsers user agent string Mar 21 02:10
zer0c00l http://chrispederick.com/wo… Mar 21 02:11
zer0c00l “unsupported platform” right? change it to “supported platform” Mar 21 02:12
zer0c00l silverlight divides the web Mar 21 02:15
MethodOne i wish the site used flash instead Mar 21 02:15
zer0c00l yeah Mar 21 02:15
zer0c00l switching useragent works for you? Mar 21 02:16
MethodOne nope Mar 21 02:17
_Hicham_1 MethodeOne : what browser are u using? Mar 21 02:17
MethodOne firefox Mar 21 02:17
_Hicham_1 Konqueror has some sneaky plugin to identify itself as another browser Mar 21 02:19
zer0c00l http://chrispederick.com/work/user… this is for firefox Mar 21 02:19
_Hicham_1 that is it Mar 21 02:20
MethodOne i used that one Mar 21 02:20
_Hicham_1 but Linux still exists in ur user agent? Mar 21 02:20
_Hicham_1 no? Mar 21 02:21
MethodOne i tried using a media player plugin that supports windows media, but it looks like the site want’s microsoft’s plugin Mar 21 02:21
MethodOne wants* Mar 21 02:21
_Hicham_1 u have to change Linux to Windows in the user agent Mar 21 02:21
MethodOne i did that Mar 21 02:21
MethodOne the site wants the real windows media plugin Mar 21 02:21
oiaohm _Hicham_1: Lots of different places is the simplest descriptions for where I work. Mar 21 02:22
_Hicham_1 MethodOne : try this one : http://www.geticeweasel… Mar 21 02:22
_Hicham_1 oiaohm : are u from australia? Mar 21 02:23
oiaohm Yes I am from Australia Mar 21 02:23
MethodOne according to about:config, the user agent is the same as the one on the site you gave me Mar 21 02:24
oiaohm Data recovery, Security Auditing,  System Design, machine repairs and System Admin(for quite a few networks).  Kinda makes me a jack of all trades. _Hicham_1 Mar 21 02:25
MethodOne the site must use some different way of detecting the browser Mar 21 02:25
_Hicham_1 MethodOne: no Linux word in the String? Mar 21 02:25
_Hicham_1 give me the website Mar 21 02:25
_Hicham_1 I am gonna try it Mar 21 02:25
MethodOne http://mmod.ncaa.com Mar 21 02:25
oiaohm Area where I am does not have a large company with enough money to employee me with my skills full time.  So I am kinda shared. Mar 21 02:26
oiaohm Kinda makes me different _Hicham_1 Mar 21 02:27
_Hicham_1 oiaohm : I greatly appreciate discussing things with u Mar 21 02:28
oiaohm Part of the problem is I hate built up cities. Mar 21 02:29
oiaohm Where I live I never have a single traffic jam. Mar 21 02:29
_Hicham_1 oiaohm : do u live far from Sydney? Mar 21 02:30
oiaohm Over 9 hours away from Sydney Mar 21 02:30
oiaohm By road. Mar 21 02:31
MethodOne right now i’m trying out the beta of xandros presto, which has the realplayer plugin.  let me boot into my arch installation and see if i get the same message with videos in the gecko-mediaplayer plugin. Mar 21 02:31
oiaohm I can get there fairly quick by private aircraft if required for work. Mar 21 02:31
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oiaohm Yes I have one of those kind of jobs _Hicham_1 Mar 21 02:32
oiaohm It gets kinda annoying at times less than 3 hours notice before having to be on a aircraft to be dropped off somewhere to fix something. Mar 21 02:34
oiaohm I guess you job is a fairly normal one _Hicham_1 Mar 21 02:35
_Hicham_1 oiaohm : yes Mar 21 02:35
oiaohm Worst jobs is doing on site data recovery assessment in a burn out building. Mar 21 02:36
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_Hicham_1 completely burn out? Mar 21 02:37
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oiaohm Yes job is locating and packing the machines for shipping for data recovery.  And hopefully not running accross a missed corpse. Mar 21 02:38
_Hicham_1 what a bad job Mar 21 02:38
_Hicham_1 is it well paid at least? Mar 21 02:38
oiaohm You have to wear resporators all the time. Mar 21 02:38
oiaohm And lots of other protective gear. Mar 21 02:39
oiaohm packing is the worst bit you have to clean the machines as much as able before they are packed. Mar 21 02:40
_Hicham_1 is it ur job to do that? Mar 21 02:40
oiaohm Sometimes. Mar 21 02:40
oiaohm Its over flow.  I fill lots of gaps. Mar 21 02:40
oiaohm This is where I am different I don’t know what I will be doing for the next 24 hours.  It could be anything. Mar 21 02:41
oiaohm Or nothing. Mar 21 02:41
_Hicham_1 did u work with gcc team? Mar 21 02:42
oiaohm I have submited ideas and design alterations to the gcc team. Mar 21 02:42
oiaohm Most of them have been intergrated in time. Mar 21 02:42
oiaohm Not been a developer in the gcc team. Mar 21 02:43
oiaohm With most closed source coding projects I interface with I am either the secuirty auditor of the program or internal struct designer not a coder. Mar 21 02:44
oiaohm Makes me way different to most there as well. Mar 21 02:45
_Hicham_1 so u mostly do design? Mar 21 02:45
_Hicham_1 no coding? Mar 21 02:45
oiaohm Design and auditing. Mar 21 02:46
oiaohm I read code quite well.   Just not that effective at writing it from scratch. Mar 21 02:46
oiaohm Very effective at finding coder screw ups. Mar 21 02:47
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_Hicham_1 do u use some standard methods? Mar 21 02:48
oiaohm Mixture of automatic tools and extracting base designs and checking. Mar 21 02:49
oiaohm Suprising how may things are simple base design errrors like not checking what user is doing the action. Mar 21 02:49
oiaohm When dealing with computers I am a perfectionist.   Home life kinda the other way. Mar 21 02:51
oiaohm perfectionists don’t make good coders. Mar 21 02:52
oiaohm My nature leads to over engnerining the solution. Mar 21 02:52
oiaohm Also leads to me hating something about all OS’s out there. Mar 21 02:53
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ZiggyFish I like this story: because although the sounding text says otherwise, linux is used by most hackers and is very secure http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog/200… Mar 21 06:37
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schestowitz Hey Mar 21 06:42
oiaohm Hi schestowitz Mar 21 06:44
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*schestowitz restores old pages templates Mar 21 09:15
schestowitz I ought to get some new plugins for the site Mar 21 09:15
schestowitz Just installed http://wordpress.org/extend/plu… , but at risk if flushing cache from other plugin to switch over to this one Mar 21 09:19
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schestowitz Social networking goes the wrong way (Digg has similar problems): Nokia closes Porn’n’Warez swap site < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/… > Mar 21 09:43
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… “Xerox announced Friday morning that it was lowering its expectations for first-quarter 2009 earnings by 69 to 85 per cent. “ Mar 21 09:44
schestowitz Dell confirms more jobs cuts in EMEA < http://www.channelregister.co.uk… > Mar 21 09:44
schestowitz “Sony-Ericsson warned today that it expects to sell just 14 million mobile handsets in the first quarter of 2009. That compares to 24.2m in the fourth quarter of 2008, which was in turn down 21 per cent on the same period a year ago.” < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… > Mar 21 09:44
trmanco I just love free software Mar 21 09:51
trmanco see how Brasero is evolving Mar 21 09:51
trmanco it started very basic and primitive, and right now it’s getting very powerful, lots of new shiny features Mar 21 09:52
schestowitz Yes, I heard it’s getting good (even Beranger) Mar 21 10:13
schestowitz Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch Bomb Scare < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2… > “I used to catalog examples of the war on the unexpected…” Mar 21 10:32
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MinceR j0 Mar 21 13:13
schestowitz 0j (SImpson) Mar 21 13:14
Omar871 Hi Mar 21 13:16
schestowitz Ex-Googler Describes Company’s Obsession With Data < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… >. Goo goo da da, da TA! Mar 21 13:17
MinceR 0range juice? Mar 21 13:18
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schestowitz MinceR: O.J. Simpson Living the Good Life in Prison? < http://www.foxnews.com/story/0… > Mar 21 13:25
oiaohm There are worse places than Prison Mar 21 13:26
Omar871 Hi there. Mar 21 13:26
MinceR i didn’t know he was in prison Mar 21 13:26
oiaohm http://www.inquisitr.com/20245/google-s…  At long last someone is starting to work out the chain reaction of the ACMA power. Mar 21 13:30
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oiaohm ACMA has had the power since 2007 to shutdown Australia’s Internet. Mar 21 13:35
schestowitz I can imagine. The only thing preventing it is people’s action Mar 21 13:39
oiaohm Its been fairly ok because no one has tried waring with the ACMA. Mar 21 13:40
oiaohm Take down notices have been obeyed. Mar 21 13:40
oiaohm Now if some stupid idiots get the idea they can force ACMA to do there bidding.  Its will just wake up a hugely power enity with the power to block anything. Mar 21 13:41
oiaohm Also wikileaks people better not have any intrest in visiting Australia any time soon.   Simple fact there country might say they have freedom of press to print what they like.  ACMA has the right here to validate sources. Mar 21 13:43
oiaohm Entering here would basically be jail/very large fines for wikileaks. Mar 21 13:44
oiaohm ACMA power to check out sources goes back the the past here were some new reporters made up facts. Mar 21 13:45
oiaohm Wikileaks could open up a interesting case in cross border internet laws. Mar 21 13:47
schestowitz oiaohm: people take it with grain of slat Mar 21 13:48
schestowitz *salt Mar 21 13:48
schestowitz Watch analogous scenario for Wikipedia Mar 21 13:48
oiaohm ACMA is known for finding out how far they can push the law. Mar 21 13:49
oiaohm Wikipedia is not foolish.   They don’t want to get pulled into a mess. Mar 21 13:51
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oiaohm ACMA is a case of cost saving gone wrong. Mar 21 13:55
oiaohm If you go back threw its history it started live as 8 different departments.   Over the years it merged into the monster with all the power over communications. Mar 21 13:56
schestowitz oiaohm: tomorrow I’ll post  film in BN Mar 21 13:56
schestowitz 1984 is on YouTube Mar 21 13:56
schestowitz It’s quite timely. Mar 21 13:56
oiaohm I guess showing the history repeat. Mar 21 13:57
schestowitz Yes, something more visionary though, not a repetition Mar 21 14:04
schestowitz It’s depressing film. Mar 21 14:04
schestowitz Actually, hold on, I’ll post it now so that you can see. Mar 21 14:04
schestowitz There, oiaohm, especially for you: http://boycottnovell.com/2009… Mar 21 14:06
oiaohm Yep 1984 is about history and future. Mar 21 14:18
oiaohm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi  People have not learnt the lessions of this. Mar 21 14:21
oiaohm Power of a unified protest done right is unstoppable if you have the local population on your side. Mar 21 14:22
oiaohm Problem is control of information.  People don’t learn in schools how to resist correclty. Mar 21 14:24
schestowitz Imposed ignorance Mar 21 14:27
schestowitz Admiration of authority, even blindly Mar 21 14:27
schestowitz bbl Mar 21 14:40
zer0c00l http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/21… saturday movie ;) when did he started adding thing Mar 21 14:59
zer0c00l gr8 Mar 21 14:59
zer0c00l :-) Mar 21 14:59
oiaohm It does releate to current day events a bit in Australia Mar 21 15:00
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trmanco omg -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?s… Mar 21 15:40
PetoKraus and? Mar 21 15:47
PetoKraus you mean, omg M$ is using linux? Mar 21 15:47
trmanco yes Mar 21 15:47
trmanco again Mar 21 15:48
trmanco but it runs .net Mar 21 15:48
trmanco mod_mono? Mar 21 15:48
MinceR apparently they’re using akamai’s cache Mar 21 15:50
MinceR probably nobody is stupid enough to build a CDN on microsoft crap Mar 21 15:51
trmanco the real servers might be behind a proxy Mar 21 15:51
trmanco CDN? Mar 21 15:51
trmanco http://identi.ca/notice/2923462 Mar 21 15:53
MinceR content distribution network Mar 21 16:02
trmanco ah, I can look into it now Mar 21 16:03
trmanco thanks Mar 21 16:04
MinceR np Mar 21 16:08
zer0c00l akamai’s cache? Mar 21 16:23
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toros hi Mar 21 16:35
zer0c00l hi toros Mar 21 16:37
schestowitz Site load is still quite high (140 sql ops/second), but I can reduce the load further, if needed. trmanco I installed the ‘super-cache plugin’ too, but swapping to it would mean temporarily dropping the existing cache and thus increasing the loan.  I ‘untrimmed’ the pages, but we can always go back to lighter pages too. Mar 21 17:17
schestowitz brb Mar 21 17:17
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schestowitz Should we redesign BN? Shane says: “maybe we could look at a newer template too, some folks had complained about the old layout having very crappy css and we’ve hacked it pretty hard. Anything pretty, while being all css and lean, that you’ve seen for wordpress?”” Mar 21 17:39
tacone maybe at least adjust it here and there. Mar 21 17:39
schestowitz I quite like the existing theme and the contest was sometimes made to fit it. I fear changing it. :-S But if there are suggestions, then… Mar 21 17:39
schestowitz tacone: in what way? Mar 21 17:39
tacone let me open such webpage O:-) Mar 21 17:39
tacone first, excerpts in the home page Mar 21 17:40
schestowitz Just excerpts? Mar 21 17:40
tacone your posts are long, you can’t easily navigate posts in the homepage Mar 21 17:40
tacone just ? Mar 21 17:40
schestowitz I see. Mar 21 17:40
tacone give a look to mine http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ Mar 21 17:41
schestowitz I could make the front page only except like the ones at the bottom Mar 21 17:41
tacone i had to do the same thing. Mar 21 17:41
*schestowitz looks Mar 21 17:41
tacone also, go to the bottom and wait Mar 21 17:41
schestowitz Many people read via RSS Mar 21 17:41
tacone sure. Mar 21 17:41
tacone that’s just one simple tweak that may be useful. Mar 21 17:41
tacone btw your rss are partial Mar 21 17:42
tacone so people will stumble on the site anyway. Mar 21 17:42
tacone what do people complain about ? Mar 21 17:42
tacone why you had the idea of changing theme, i mean ? Mar 21 17:44
schestowitz Not me Mar 21 17:44
schestowitz Some people suggested it Mar 21 17:44
tacone what reason they gave ? Mar 21 17:44
schestowitz I try to change to full feeds Mar 21 17:44
schestowitz In WordPress options Mar 21 17:44
tacone just a matter of prettyness ? Mar 21 17:44
schestowitz But it seems to have no effect Mar 21 17:44
schestowitz Change in theme can lead to content not fitting the page properly Mar 21 17:45
schestowitz Needs certain bg colours, width, etc. Mar 21 17:45
tacone ah… ! Mar 21 17:45
tacone you wrote colored headlines or stuff like that ? Mar 21 17:46
schestowitz Not really. Mar 21 17:47
schestowitz But the content has the theme in mind Mar 21 17:47
tacone any concrete example ? (url) Mar 21 17:47
NeonFL0SS http://img14.imageshack.us/img1… Mar 21 17:48
*NeonFL0SS is now known as Neonflo Mar 21 17:48
tacone Neonflo: i always thought it was by purpouse Mar 21 17:48
Neonflo me too Mar 21 17:48
Neonflo just want to check though Mar 21 17:49
Neonflo I mean, its sort of distracting with the side links Mar 21 17:49
tacone i’m a fan of the hybrid theme. it allows subtheming and has pretty nifty stuff (multiple sidebars etc) Mar 21 17:49
Neonflo im pretty sure its on purpuse Mar 21 17:51
Neonflo sorry for bothering :P Mar 21 17:51
tacone no need to feel sorry. it’s a good point. Mar 21 17:51
schestowitz tacone: yes, it’s part of the design Mar 21 17:51
schestowitz Another person complained about it too Mar 21 17:52
Neonflo im not complaining, its just a bit distracting with the links Mar 21 17:52
tacone it’s a nice idea, but not everything fits all people. not a big problem imho. Mar 21 17:52
Neonflo it looks nice in other spots though Mar 21 17:53
tacone i would just let the new theme strip it. Mar 21 17:53
tacone as for me i am a big fan of white backgrounds :) Mar 21 17:54
tacone one thing to be said, BN is not your ordinary blog Mar 21 17:54
schestowitz How’s this? http://wp-themes.com/pixeled/?TB_… Mar 21 17:54
tacone there’s LOTS of content Mar 21 17:54
tacone pretty nice. but black is bad. Mar 21 17:55
Neonflo agreed Mar 21 17:55
schestowitz Some love black Mar 21 17:55
Neonflo lol I looked at that one for my blog Mar 21 17:55
schestowitz Specifically asking for it Mar 21 17:55
tacone sure schestowitz, but not on read-a-lot sites Mar 21 17:55
Neonflo ^ Mar 21 17:55
tacone those are a minorance. if your choosen theme is simple in design, a custom css switcher may do. Mar 21 17:56
tacone i wouldn’t waste my time to make a black version, though. Mar 21 17:56
schestowitz How’s that? http://wp-themes.com/german-newspaper/… Mar 21 17:58
tacone ugly. but with a nice use of space Mar 21 17:59
tacone a good starting point, i’d say. Mar 21 17:59
schestowitz Yeah. Mar 21 18:00
Neonflo as for the first theme, if you invert the colours and change the hues its not bad Mar 21 18:00
schestowitz I don’t want to spend much time on it Mar 21 18:00
schestowitz So much is lost by making such a change Mar 21 18:00
tacone http://themehybrid.com/demo/… Mar 21 18:00
tacone what you think ? Mar 21 18:00
schestowitz It’s too Vista-ish Mar 21 18:00
schestowitz =bad Mar 21 18:00
tacone seems already done Mar 21 18:00
tacone of course you can dress it a little bit. change colors or stuff like that. Mar 21 18:00
tacone it’s the disposition of information you have to judge. Mar 21 18:01
schestowitz Like Brushed connotates with Apple.. or Aqua Mar 21 18:01
Neonflo inst vista-ish good>? Mar 21 18:01
tacone i find it quite good. Mar 21 18:01
Neonflo lol Mar 21 18:02
schestowitz I gove up Mar 21 18:02
tacone lol Mar 21 18:02
schestowitz *Give. Can’t find much of us Mar 21 18:02
schestowitz use Mar 21 18:02
schestowitz And it would be a lot of work to merge styles. I did a lot of CSS stuff and there too many pages to test on Mar 21 18:02
Neonflo http://wp-themes.com/inove/?TB_ifram… with dif background and header Mar 21 18:03
tacone nice, also. i still prefer hybrid-news Mar 21 18:04
tacone i may do a little experiment with it, maybe Mar 21 18:05
schestowitz It’s a matter of taste Mar 21 18:05
schestowitz I’ve always loves Ocadia Mar 21 18:05
schestowitz Even before I used it Mar 21 18:05
schestowitz I settle down on things I like Mar 21 18:05
Neonflo :) Mar 21 18:05
schestowitz But some people like vanilla, some like chocolate Mar 21 18:05
schestowitz So no-one is ever happy Mar 21 18:05
tacone you should reason in terms of problems and solutions. Mar 21 18:06
schestowitz And it’s no restaurant, so you can’t really offer choise Mar 21 18:06
tacone is there any real problem with the current theme ? Mar 21 18:06
schestowitz I could make a theme swtcher Mar 21 18:06
schestowitz tacone: no, it works well Mar 21 18:06
tacone then no problem. Mar 21 18:06
schestowitz The current theme contains lots… well ‘contains’ Mar 21 18:06
schestowitz It has loads in the archives Mar 21 18:06
schestowitz And they were sometimes made to suit the theme Mar 21 18:06
schestowitz Colours, line lengths, styles, font sizes, etc. Mar 21 18:07
schestowitz So any change would lead to what I sometimes see in NYT or CNET that changed themes over the years Mar 21 18:07
schestowitz Some old articles may contain odd characters, lost content, bad fits, etc Mar 21 18:07
tacone too much backwards compatibility is bad(tm) Mar 21 18:07
schestowitz tacone: yes Mar 21 18:07
tacone i may try to aggregate some of your content into one test site and see how it looks on another theme. Mar 21 18:08
zer0c00l schestowitz: in GN you maintain M$ mail archives right? Mar 21 18:09
zer0c00l can you give me the link Mar 21 18:09
zer0c00l boycottnovell.com/wiki/ ? Mar 21 18:09
schestowitz yes Mar 21 18:09
schestowitz tacone: thanks! Mar 21 18:10
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tacone np Mar 21 18:10
Neonflo a group of people and I are planning on making a internet/filesharing/pirate/tech blog thats community run (ideally a community would contribute to publishing blogs). any ideas for names? Mar 21 18:13
tacone whoscriminal Mar 21 18:14
Neonflo ? Mar 21 18:14
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tacone what’s that community about ? Mar 21 18:15
Neonflo there is not community yet Mar 21 18:15
Neonflo dunno im just doing some dreaming Mar 21 18:15
schestowitz http://arstechnica.com/tech-pol… (Harvard prof apologizes to judge, RIAA lawyers) Mar 21 18:17
schestowitz A bit old, but some site dig it up at the moment: Security fears spark Linux drive in Iran < http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/2… > Mar 21 18:20
schestowitz O’Bushma? Obama DOJ Supports Warrantless Wireless Location Searches < http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wire… > Mar 21 18:22
schestowitz amarsh04: Aussie stumbles on 19,000 exposed credit card numbers < http://www.itnews.com.au/News/99250,auss… > Mar 21 18:23
schestowitz Linus refuses to say “free software”… http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/FOSS-De… Mar 21 18:29
schestowitz More on Big G: Google’s Data Fetish Drives Away Its Top Designer < http://valleywag.gawker.com/5177144/googles… > Mar 21 18:33
zer0c00l why linus is doing like this? he supports proprietary ? Mar 21 18:37
schestowitz Well, it’s Linus Mar 21 18:37
schestowitz Obama trade officials promise thorough review of transparency policies  < http://www.keionline.org/blogs/200… > < another pretender Mar 21 18:37
schestowitz “This image… all known objects – functioning and dead – in orbit around earth. ” < http://eaves.ca/2009/03/20/… > Mar 21 18:39
schestowitz “This image… all known objects – functioning and dead – in orbit around earth. ” < http://eaves.ca/2009/03/20/what-po… > Mar 21 18:39
schestowitz Ballmer: GNU/Linux Will Win on Netbooks < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200… > Mar 21 18:42
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schestowitz DE: Federal government to increase its open source expertise < http://www.osor.eu/news/de-federal-go… > Mar 21 18:45
schestowitz Linux is now modeling: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS… Mar 21 18:48
zer0c00l its funny GNU/PHONE http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/2… Mar 21 18:49
schestowitz Back to the Dark Ages: London imposes de-facto 9PM curfew on under-16s < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/21… > Mar 21 18:50
schestowitz zer0c00l: that’s David Gerard’s site (from BN) Mar 21 18:50
zer0c00l :-) Mar 21 18:51
schestowitz Dell axes more Irish jobs  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne… > Mar 21 18:54
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tacone schestowitz: why do you write excerpts in your posts ? Mar 21 19:10
tacone are those getting used anywhere ? Mar 21 19:10
schestowitz Usually in all the feeds, search results, and abbreviated items in front page (bottom) Mar 21 19:14
tacone fyi: that’s what prevents wordpress from applying the full feeds option Mar 21 19:14
tacone if an excerpt is written, it’s used in the feed. that’s my take, at least. Mar 21 19:14
tacone not that partial feeds are bad. i am saying just because you said you couldn’t use full ones. Mar 21 19:15
tacone lol turns out i were wrong. Mar 21 19:19
tacone seems like to me your atom feed is partial. the normal feed is already full. Mar 21 19:20
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*tacone updating his subscription. Mar 21 19:21
trmanco my bouncer is down Mar 21 19:22
trmanco :| Mar 21 19:22
trmanco 19:24:41 up 19 days, 17:02, 8 users, load average: 124.58, 111.78, 72.68 Mar 21 19:23
trmanco :| Mar 21 19:23
schestowitz tacone: thanks Mar 21 19:23
schestowitz I didn’t know thar Mar 21 19:24
trmanco I wonder who is the the sysadmin of this server Mar 21 19:24
schestowitz hard times with DreamLinux: http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=541 Mar 21 19:24
tacone lol, me neither Mar 21 19:24
*schestowitz has 3307 unread itesms in BN Mar 21 19:29
trmanco http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-s… Mar 21 19:30
schestowitz trmanco: it’s an anti FOSS blog Mar 21 19:31
schestowitz Intelligence services’ interrogation rules banning torture to be published < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/m… > Mar 21 19:32
trmanco it is? hmm Mar 21 19:32
schestowitz The lobbyists/shills took over the global warming cdebate. Appalling: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/mar… Mar 21 19:32
trmanco http://www.flickr.com/photos/29103… Mar 21 19:33
schestowitz trmanco: much of the time. The author doesn’t support what he writes about Mar 21 19:33
*zer0c00l agrees with schestowitz Mar 21 19:33
trmanco writes for money… Mar 21 19:33
zer0c00l probably Mar 21 19:33
zer0c00l i too have read his blog past few times Mar 21 19:34
schestowitz yes, provocatio Mar 21 19:37
schestowitz ZDNet BS Mar 21 19:37
schestowitz It should be knocked off Google News… long ago Mar 21 19:37
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schestowitz A bunch of flamers/’masturbating moneys’ treated as ‘news’ Mar 21 19:37
schestowitz Former diplomat demands publication of complete Iraq war paper trail < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2… > Mar 21 19:37
zer0c00l :D Mar 21 19:38
schestowitz Re: global warming: If we behave as if it’s too late, then our prophecy is bound to come true < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree… > Mar 21 19:39
schestowitz One solution would be birth control The population on Earth is too vast to supply water, food and also take account of nature, atmosphere, etc. Mar 21 19:39
amarsh04 schestowitz, it seems a lot of hot topics in .au appear on forums.whirlpool.net.au Mar 21 19:54
schestowitz I heard about it Mar 21 19:57
schestowitz I think the context appeared a lot in Groklaw… something about censorship or closure in 2008 Mar 21 19:58
schestowitz I didn’t realise this had made Slashdot: Texas Legislature Considers Open Document Formats  < http://tech.slashdot.org/article.p… > Mar 21 19:59
schestowitz Holder Tells Agencies To Open More Records < http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con… >. Secrecy is typically indicative of corruption. Mar 21 20:10
schestowitz :-( http://www.computerworld.com/action… “According to an event invitation from Sun Microsystems Inc., the Internet Archive is moving from a traditional data center filled with standard Linux servers to one that runs Solaris 10 with ZFS on Sun Fire x4500s servers inside a Sun Modular Datacenter.” Mar 21 20:14
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amarsh04 the IBM – Sun speculation sort of follows logically from the HP-EDS merger… HP/EDS is phasing out Sun hardware in favour of HP hardware Mar 21 20:15
amarsh04 I don’t know how much HP/EDS will use Linux… I’m sure IBM Global Services will use Linux Mar 21 20:18
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schestowitz IBM doesn’t like *GPL Mar 21 20:21
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amarsh04 linux.corp.hp.com says “powered by Debian” but runs on IIS Mar 21 20:22
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amarsh04 will have to ask Bdale Garbee about that Mar 21 20:23
trmanco I’m still not an 100% Mar 21 20:24
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schestowitz amarsh04: Microsoft pays them to move sometimes Mar 21 20:30
trmanco :| Mar 21 20:30
schestowitz Or see the correspondence between MS and Intel where MS tells them to move to Windows hosting Mar 21 20:30
schestowitz trmanco: connection wobbly? Mar 21 20:30
amarsh04 that too, schestowitz. btw, the grand-daughter likes the Tuz she received for her 6th birthday Mar 21 20:31
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schestowitz amarsh04: here it is: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/1… Mar 21 20:32
schestowitz “I also have a personal ask that if we do the 64bit work that we get INTEL.COM to be a 64bit ASP.NET sites. “ Mar 21 20:32
schestowitz Rudder said this, IIRC Mar 21 20:32
trmanco Mar 21 20:32
trmanco screw it Mar 21 20:32
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schestowitz Old media keeps dying. First the newspaper industry began suffering. Now it is newsprint. < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/business… > Mar 21 20:39
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trmanco here is the other idiot Mar 21 20:42
trmanco lets see how long he can stay connected without being disconnected with excess flood Mar 21 20:43
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Sasha12113 helo everybody Mar 21 20:44
Sasha12113 I am officially making my statement: i use arch linux and on april 1st, i’m not going to care Mar 21 20:45
Sasha12113 so go do your del c:\ Mar 21 20:45
Sasha12113 oh wait…. Mar 21 20:45
Sasha12113 :P Mar 21 20:45
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trmanco uh? Mar 21 20:46
schestowitz Comedy Mar 21 20:47
schestowitz Novell/OpenSUSE at a Free/OS software conference: http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/FOSDEM/2009/… patent this, patent that. Mar 21 20:50
schestowitz “For all the browsers on operating systems, the hardest target is Firefox on Windows. With Firefox on Mac OS X, you can do whatever you want. There’s nothing in the Mac operating system that will stop you.” http://blogs.zdnet.com/securit… Mar 21 20:55
trmanco ha Mar 21 20:55
trmanco its stable Mar 21 20:55
schestowitz Mac fan MinceR will be sobbing over it Mar 21 20:55
trmanco lets go make the change Mar 21 20:55
MinceR lol Mar 21 20:55
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trmanco cool Mar 21 20:56
trmanco my news costume Mar 21 20:56
trmanco new* Mar 21 20:56
MinceR hm, did they attack opera too? Mar 21 20:56
MinceR oh, and chromium Mar 21 20:56
schestowitz Chromium was safe Mar 21 20:57
schestowitz Gecko + Windows stuff Mar 21 20:57
schestowitz Pseudopen-source Mar 21 20:58
schestowitz The cure to Ballmer’s “cancer” Mar 21 20:58
trmanco http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Richa… Mar 21 20:59
schestowitz I’ve come to sad conclusions Mar 21 20:59
schestowitz Having watches some films recently (documentaries/lectures for the most part), it seems likely that human selfishness is motivated — in part — by inbred education, which is the very opposite of ubuntu (the word, not the brand name). People will continues to selfishly expand and I see this in people whom I speak to. It’s what they are raised to believe. Mar 21 21:01
schestowitz So overpopulation will lead to war over water initially. Rising seas levels cause that too. Mar 21 21:01
*schestowitz didn’t know FSF had a Wiki. http://groups.fsf.org/in… Why is the planet red? Blood? Devil? Mar 21 21:03
schestowitz FSF spreads the Red Scare/Threat. They knew it was a communist pl0t ! Bah Mar 21 21:04
MinceR :) Mar 21 21:04
schestowitz Novell filled YouTUbe up with garbage: http://www.youtube.com/watch… Mar 21 21:06
schestowitz Grant H0 Mar 21 21:06
trmanco yuck Mar 21 21:08
trmanco they are promoting silvilight Mar 21 21:09
schestowitz Where? Mar 21 21:09
schestowitz The video? Mar 21 21:09
trmanco yes Mar 21 21:09
schestowitz Let me see it till the end Mar 21 21:09
trmanco the part where he talks about interoperability Mar 21 21:10
schestowitz AppArmor? Mar 21 21:10
schestowitz Novell laid them off Mar 21 21:10
schestowitz It’s dying Mar 21 21:11
schestowitz He doesn’t linger on it… Mar 21 21:12
schestowitz No big smoke there……. Mar 21 21:12
schestowitz Petty nitpicking = redundant Mar 21 21:13
trmanco the people that say that blender sucks can shut up -> http://www.youtube.com/watc… Mar 21 21:18
schestowitz It’s one heck of a powerful program Mar 21 21:18
schestowitz Used to be proprietary Mar 21 21:19
schestowitz Made in Blender: http://www.youtube.com/watch… (Big Buck Bunny) Mar 21 21:19
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trmanco yeah, that is another example Mar 21 21:20
schestowitz Another fantastic day for Linux today. Microsoft has had NO NEW products for ages Mar 21 21:22
schestowitz Linux: Presto; Ubuntu 9.04, Compiz, 2.6.29…….. Microsoft: lawsuit vs TomTom, Firefox3 wannabe, more dumping on OEMs to prevent more Linux on sub-notebooks… Mar 21 21:23
schestowitz Why Firefox rules: 100 tips to help you work smarter with Firefox < http://www.techradar.com/news/internet… > Mar 21 21:25
schestowitz Will Microsoft Abandon Windows to Compete with Linux?  < http://www.daniweb.com/b… > Mar 21 21:25
schestowitz PCLOS 2009 looks really fantastic. All reviews are positive. http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/… Mar 21 21:28
schestowitz Ripper Gang >> Microsoft Corp. (+$6bn on Lonhorn in the wastebasket) Mar 21 21:29
MinceR i don’t get what this “Microsoft Desktop” is supposed to be Mar 21 21:30
schestowitz Me neither. Maybe the whole hazy ‘cloud’ BS Mar 21 21:34
schestowitz Yeah… Linux on devices Mar 21 21:34
schestowitz To connect to… Azure? Mar 21 21:34
schestowitz Either way, while Linux thinks “fast boot, better GUIs, security models” Microsoft thinks “sue! Cancer! Buy, spend. Apple is more expensive ad nauseam…” Mar 21 21:35
schestowitz http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/ar… (Wubi: Install Ubuntu in Windows Partition – A Complete Guide) Mar 21 21:36
schestowitz How not to phrase headlines: PCLinuxOS 2009.1 – A Taste of an Old Friend < http://sloppyganger.blogspot.com/2009/03/… >. Cannibalism? Mar 21 21:36
MinceR a Desktop Environment perhaps? Mar 21 21:38
schestowitz What’s that? Clippy?\ Mar 21 21:40
schestowitz Thunar File Browser: Tips, Tricks and Scripts < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/ti… > Mar 21 21:41
trmanco http://toastytech.com/evil/billsucks.html -> be careful Mar 21 21:42
schestowitz Someone decided to feed the trolls from IDG (funded in part by Microsoft): http://darrenyates.com.au/?p=1017 Mar 21 21:43
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_Hicham_1 Hi All! Mar 21 21:43
schestowitz trmanco: but Billie loves ActiveX Mar 21 21:44
schestowitz It’s anticompetetive Mar 21 21:44
schestowitz Good for him, tough for everyone else Mar 21 21:44
schestowitz But not all his subordinates are arseholes Mar 21 21:44
trmanco I can barely read it Mar 21 21:44
_Hicham_1 ActiveX is one of the basics of Windows Mar 21 21:44
trmanco it’s red Mar 21 21:44
schestowitz See his E-mails for details: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content… Mar 21 21:44
_Hicham_1 there is a lot of people in Microsoft who were against certain technologies Mar 21 21:45
schestowitz “Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also.” –PearlyG Mar 21 21:45
trmanco the X in ActiveX is embarrassing for *nix Mar 21 21:45
schestowitz Like Windows Mar 21 21:45
schestowitz Bad for x windows Mar 21 21:45
_Hicham_1 the X stands for porn Mar 21 21:45
trmanco it should be activeHole Mar 21 21:45
trmanco or something like that Mar 21 21:45
_Hicham_1 it means that Windows is an active whore Mar 21 21:45
schestowitz Bad messaging there Mar 21 21:45
schestowitz Hole.. pr0n./ Mar 21 21:46
schestowitz WTF? Mar 21 21:46
trmanco lol Mar 21 21:46
trmanco X marks the spot Mar 21 21:46
schestowitz For peeing Mar 21 21:46
trmanco no, that’s not enough Mar 21 21:46
schestowitz This guys marks the spot too: http://www.geekologie.com/2007/10/0… Mar 21 21:46
trmanco yeah Mar 21 21:47
MinceR the X in OS X is embarrassing for Unix, too :> Mar 21 21:48
trmanco pirates Mar 21 21:49
_Hicham_1 Gnome must have licensed its ideas Mar 21 21:49
trmanco they do a good job with eyecandy though Mar 21 21:49
_Hicham_1 and compiz also Mar 21 21:49
_Hicham_1 like the trash icon in the apple days Mar 21 21:50
schestowitz Drag CD drive to trash Mar 21 21:51
schestowitz Bad metaphor Mar 21 21:51
schestowitz Press Start to Shut Down Mar 21 21:51
trmanco http://www.tuxradar.com/beginnerscode Mar 21 21:51
trmanco monodevelop looks like visual studio Mar 21 21:52
trmanco yuck Mar 21 21:52
*_Hicham_1 has quit (“Leaving.”) Mar 21 21:52
schestowitz http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/… Old headline was: “Is Oracle Forking Red Hat Linux?” Did Oracle ask him to change it? Mar 21 21:53
trmanco “screw mono, this should be a python, perl, or bash tutorial. not freakin’ mono!” Mar 21 21:53
schestowitz trmanco: simplifies things in case MS buys Novell Mar 21 21:53
trmanco I didn’t read the title well Mar 21 21:54
trmanco The beginner’s guide to coding Mar 21 21:54
trmanco         ~ ~~~~~~ Mar 21 21:55
trmanco hehe Mar 21 21:55
trmanco I would of followed the guide if it was in java or some other free language Mar 21 21:56
schestowitz First release of nftables < http://lwn.net/Articles/324251/ > Mar 21 21:56
schestowitz trmanco: for n00bs like Migi Mar 21 21:56
schestowitz Back to VB and Windows 3.1 Mar 21 21:56
schestowitz trmanco: new: Free Online Book On Blender: Solid 3D Rendering/Animation Lessons < http://ostatic.com/blog/free-onli… > Mar 21 21:59
trmanco nice, to bad I’m not into 3d modeling Mar 21 22:00
schestowitz Oh boy. “I’m not the only one reaching out. Our web manager, Dan Lopez, who is up to his eyeballs in coding and design right now, recently contacted the folks at Jupiter Broadcasting, hosts of the Linux Action Show and In Depth series, to get their thoughts on video technology.” http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org… Mar 21 22:03
schestowitz The Linux Action Show guys are anti-Freedom Mar 21 22:04
schestowitz No surprise there. Mar 21 22:04
schestowitz Linux Foundation + anti-Freedom = good match Mar 21 22:04
schestowitz http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blog… “The first time I joined the #ubuntu-devel channel (slightly under a year ago) and said “hi, um, I have a patch. What do I do?” I was all scared.” Mar 21 22:05
schestowitz This guy flattened the E-mails but forget to remove the “>” http://www.mandrivafr.org/trac/magnum/wiki/… Mar 21 22:07
schestowitz good old gentoo.. all gone! < http://bershath.blogspot.co… >. Sabayon lives on. Mar 21 22:09
Eruaran huh ? Mar 21 22:09
schestowitz One Laptop Per Child: A Project That Labor Could Turn Around for the Better < http://www.openmediaboston.org/node/590 > Derailed by Microsoft and Intel. Mar 21 22:12
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Eruaran Is there still only one guy from Novell doing KDE bindings for Mono/C# ? Mar 21 23:56
Eruaran Becuase I think Miguel De Icaza’s post is a load of shit. Mar 21 23:57
Eruaran “The KDE folks have created some brilliant bindings  for Mono and .NET called Qyoto.” Mar 21 23:57
Eruaran What “KDE folks” ? Mar 21 23:57
Eruaran And “bindings” is linked to the Qt website… to no page that relates to anything he’s talking about Mar 21 23:58
schestowitz Eruaran: I see two Mar 21 23:58
schestowitz Dale and another with a Nordic name Mar 21 23:58
Eruaran Both Novell ? Mar 21 23:59
schestowitz No. Mar 21 23:59
schestowitz Couldn’t find a relationship Mar 21 23:59
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