IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, October 01, 2022

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re a) torvalds

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b) cisa

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c) covid

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I am going to meet a friend soon, will wear 2 masks

http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300922.html#tSep%2030%2022:51:02

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Yes, I though I commented on CISA

Oct 01 09:37

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 30, 2022

http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300922.html#tSep%2030%2022:51:29

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aka plagiarism

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 30, 2022

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yes, i try now to do anything perceived to be time-wasting

Oct 01 09:42

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but we'll see if the two [topics] in my kate file will last the weekend

Oct 01 09:42

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it's the security links (3) and fedora swpats thing so far

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regarding machine learning:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12979-Civil-liability-adapting-liability-rules-to-the-digital-age-and-artificial-intelligence/public-consultation_en

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^ topic

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ec.europa.eu | Have your say

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(either machine learning in general or machine learning and copyright violation

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GPL evasion)

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added, thanks

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i am preparing to leave in a few hours

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aka plagiarism

Oct 01 09:45

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Oct 01 09:45

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covid will rsise shrply (see link above)

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see still a window of chance to see some people, pruidently

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I\m still finishing some end-of-month tasks

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so multitasking, which is very hard

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With the link above it seems not possible to link directly to the Summary report: Ares(2022)2620305 nor to the comments; They are both blocked by gratuitous

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javascript;

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Best to focus on one thing at a time, and postpone or tune out distractions.

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The cognitive overhead for task switching is really very high.

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usually i do this right after midnight, but I was too tired last night

Oct 01 10:00

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anyway, almost done now

Oct 01 10:00

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and yes, task switching is a task in its own right

Oct 01 10:00

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> Hi Roy,>> I am on holiday for the first time in three years so am not going to> enter a long conversation with you. However, let me put your mind at ease.

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Thanks for responding. I will try to keep it short.

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> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:17 AM Roy Schestowitz <r@schestowitz.com

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> <mailto:r@schestowitz.com>> wrote:

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> I was right.

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> So have you guys of no sense of shame?

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> The OSI seems to be running for no good purpose anyway.

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> You actively help Microsoft attack Free software and you profit from it.

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> http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/

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> <http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/>

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of ‘AI’, Even Writes the OSI’s Material | Techrights

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> You're still reading it wrong. I found there was a cash surplus in the

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> seperately-accounted ClearlyDefined "bucket", which is currently an

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> outside-run project but under OSI's fiduciary umbrella (so all we do is

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> collect a 10%fee and let them run things themselves, like Conservancy

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> do)

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The Conservancy is no role model (in recent years I've had many criticisms of them, too) and that 10% fee you're mention simply means you rely on appeasing Microsoft or else lose some income. It's the same issue in the LF. You become incapable of criticising the opposition (yes, Microsoft is STILL attacking us in MANY ways) without fiscal consequences.

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> , and I've proposed using those funds to hire a staff member for OSI

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> for two years under OSI management (not Microsoft), taking over

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> management of ClearlyDefined (so Microsoft no longer staff its

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> administration) and get a new person working on other, independent

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> projects.

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Microsoft is in the board and the new "staff member for OSI" is dependent on Microsoft money. This is not a healthy arrangement.

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> So the ClearlyDefined action is actually Microsoft becoming less rather

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> than more involved.

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So you wish. You say this to yourself. But it's untrue. Also, you still take money from Microsoft through two buckets, GitHub AND Microsoft. GitHub is an ATTACK on Free software, it's imprisoning many projects. It's not encouraging people to violate licences. Microsoft pays the OSI (see link above) to make it sound benign or even desirable.

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> And later you falsely report me to censor any criticism, even perfectly

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> legitimate. Like get me suspended from Twitter under "COVID-19"

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> pretenses.

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> Huh? No such thing has happened. In fact I have you muted on Twitter so

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> have seen nothing you have done there for several years.

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When I said you I meant collectively, OSI. I wrote a lot about what happened.

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I think you and I got into conflict when you signed that letter of defamation against RMS. You helped legitimise lies. I wonder if you read and fact-checked what you had signed.

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Anyway, I quit all social control media 7 months ago (all sites) willfully because they're going down fast and causing mostly conflicts anyway (it also spreads defamation without hindrance, inc. re RMS). E-mail is a lot more healthy. My Twitter account is there, I just don't use it anymore.

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> Shame on you, Simon. You could have prevented this.

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> I don't run OSI any more. But you're reading it wrong, Roy.

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You did not convince me that I'm reading it wrong. I'm all ears, I know what I'm seeing, I've investigated this for years. Even the co-founders of OSI haven't much good to say.

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Sorry if I spoil your holidays a bit. When I sent you CC 10 months ago it was actually because I see you as the person who can salvage the OSI. I still hope things can improve. Feuds lead to no good, including conflicts with the FSF. You yourself made that joke about Life of Brian. Microsoft is the "Romans" in this context.

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Regards,

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OSI is finished.

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Phipps is partly retired and is doing FLOSS weekly, an openwashing front for proprietary firms and bill & lolita gates founddation as of late

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not much that can be done to salvage them

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salvation was probably still possible when michael ran the OSI

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he too vanished

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I'm not sure he's in ICBM

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I just didn't see his name, not even iin CNET and other sites he used to appear in

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Tiemann is just some "old fart" who once appearsed in Revolution OS and then spent some years in OSI

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OSI is now run by corporate ilk and saboteurs egging them on

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in the name of "justice" (read: corporate domination)

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Yes, it appears to have been converted into an openwashing front.

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Phipps can't do it all himself, even if he had the will, which it appears

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he doesn't, but he could have drawn in or recruited people of the right

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background to preserve and advace OSI and its values rather than those

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who have subverted them.

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I will leave in about 1 hour

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check mail

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I've just posted daily links, spoke a lot to parents etc.

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later I will catch up with rss feeds and sue the spare time for articles

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rianne is working today and tomorrow

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irc has been clam

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*calm

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Calm is ok, on-topic is better.

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By the way, the NTP article is more important than it might look at first glance

Oct 01 11:51

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phk?

Oct 01 11:52

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Yes, a quote or mention of him but the article is long and covers a lot

Oct 01 12:01

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it is in the latest -published daily links

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I'm waiting for the sun to come out, i might leave early

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but wandering aroudn shops in weekends can be risky

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poor ventilation

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trying to think if I need to buy any non-food items

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i plan to back up TR db tomorrow, but TM and TR still need another offsite backup

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gemini has been running nonstop since the system was restored

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yes

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excellent

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What about usage?

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there's the stats section

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there might be growing pains in geminispace

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the media needs to be boosting it some more

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or maybe not, that might ruin it

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checking

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<techrights-news> "SSH" and "Linu<techrights-news> "SSH" and "Linux" FUD; bad passwords https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55575-chaos-hits-linux-and-windows-machinesx" FUD; bad passwords https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55575-chaos-hits-linux-and-windows-machines

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Chaos hits Linux and Windows machines

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Chaos hits Linux and Windows machines

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gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/

Oct 01 12:26

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the headline from yle reeks of "hatchet job"

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selective quoting with a particular agenda in mind

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but then again most "news" sites are like this

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and one assumes younger people are too lazy to read thr whole thing

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in social control media only the headline would be extracted

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and the editor, not the writer, chooses the headline

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I go by the rule of

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100% see headline

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50% read it

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20% read summary

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10% read the fucking article (RTFM/A)

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and the earlier paragraphs always get read more than later ones

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most people who comment only read the headline and nothing more

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some people click "like" even if they just saw but did not read the headline

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because they play a game of "I like all yours" and "you like all mine back"

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so we both look popular (in some microcosm of a privaye firm)

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unless the site/.DB shut down

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The agitation against SSH seems to be that it allows commodity services.

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Via SSH, access is not just secure and universal, but the interface is the

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same regardless. With proprietary web interfaces, they are just that: proprietary

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/10/01/1060539/eu-tech-policy-harmful-ai-liability/

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The propaganda against SSH is about further decommoditifcation of services

Oct 01 12:33

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In this case, it is a tactic used against GNU/Linux and BSD hosting.

Oct 01 12:33

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gtg

Oct 01 12:34

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bbl

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ack

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back

Oct 01 16:10

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Oct 01 16:12

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.technologyreview.com | The EU wants to put companies on the hook for harmful AI | MIT Technology Review

Oct 01 16:12

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thanks for the link, I have 3 topics now as potential topics

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I was thinking of OSI and GPL violations on the way home

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it just made me a little angry

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and could not think of anything new or witty to say

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i suppose tofr morale we could say, that's just the result of it being so ubiquitious

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it becomes a prime target for attacks

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but not everyone sold out

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as a sdie note, the decision to never stress myself too much with exercise was likelu a good

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one as some people I know destroyed their body by doing it too much and too hard

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I will do more walking and watch the weight, that ought to be enough

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back in a bit, catching up

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(also hard to find discounted food, I was almost empty handed after 10 stores)

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See also the EU link and the zip file there too. Most of the comments in the

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zip file are crap but there are some good ones in there too.

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I tried to kill 3 birds with one stone: eet freidn, get reference for rianne's form from a prof.

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and then get something on the way back home

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all were fulfilled to some extend, but the time spent on the last task was "low yield"

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it was not time for optimal yield, just what suited $friend

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i will ignore chat for a bit to catch up

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rianne finished work soon, then will post links

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*finishes

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<techrights-news> Mr. Puppy Linux: "I have had an account with Amazon for a very long time, but cancelled it yesterday." https://bkhome.org/news/202210/have-cancelled-amazon-account.html

Oct 01 16:42

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bkhome.org | Have cancelled Amazon account

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Oct 01 16:48

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even my rss feeds are becoming a higher % of "sea of shit"

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low s/n ratio even in sites that used to be ok :/

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I need to dumpster-dive into the haystack and tolerate some needles in the stack

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some are narcotics

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one method I found useful: let it add up for a bit, e.g. 100 items, then run a set of filter to weed out the shit

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wheat and chaff...

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but even then out of 100 you might be left with 10 "good" stories and maybe of them are mutually related

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gulag noise was really bad already when I left it

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I don't suppose I miss much there

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Google "News" is still garbage

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I check a few searches still, but not often. And it is even more seldom that

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there is anything relevant, and rarer still for it to be worth citing.

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leaving gulag in 2022 is easy like leaving twitter in 2022

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because they no longer optiomise to give me what I ask for

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but what those companies want to push to me

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No idea but the end result either way is that they have only garbage.

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this, i predict, will mean a growing future need for good curation

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there's a massive vacuum

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sadly this vacuum also means lesened incentive to actually run news sites

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they're invisibles

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like a company without a business model

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and time runs out

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alexa.com

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did lots of "work"

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got many "users"

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no business model

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shut dow in May IIRC

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Yes, too few have a means to find / track / discover real news. I suspect

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that many are instead allowing themselves to be mislead by social control media.

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about what to read and when.

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TM used to have some original content though.

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sites that invest in maintaining presence in such "sites" are time-wasting

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for a whole slew of reasons

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TR never wasted time on this, tuxmachines is on auto-pilot pretty much

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me? I quit all of it and at the time though I might return one day (I no longer think so)

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<techrights-news> Linux-hostile companies that fund ZDNet are behind this; they don't care about security, they just use that as a leash on communities https://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-what-in-the-united-states-securing-open-source-software-act/ http://techrights.org/2022/09/28/discriminating-against-free-software/

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What the Securing Open Source Software Act does and what it misses | ZDNET

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Attempts to Legislate Against Free Software in Order to Elbow Such Software Aside | Techrights

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sjvn

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he borrws the name and face, I guess, even to defamation campaigns like the rms one

Oct 01 17:22

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sjvn is coin-operated since a few years back, so what he says is less important

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than who is getting him to say what he says

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The list of recent posts in TM now has a distinct CSS class for the updated

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posts. The CSS has not yet been modified to make it visible to visitors.

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ah, ok, that explains why hard-refresh shows no difference

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Something unobtrusive is needed as a marker.

Oct 01 18:10

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in my notes I have my old discussion about splitting it up further using some heuristics, like pseudo categories

Oct 01 18:11

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maybe vertically or with vertical bars

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Categories would be one way to do that , but it must be by proper categories

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and not trying to guess based on strings in the titles. That is a little

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more error prone, though, the way posts are currently entered. Pull down

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menus work best for that but those are not really feasible without major

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headache and rewriting using ncurses or something else awful.

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based on our experiences with drupal, it is an extra burden with little practical benefit

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guesswork might not be doable either

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so in my notes it's one of several ideas

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we still don't have proper archives pages in gemini and https

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(rioanne just broke a plate ;/)

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Ok, then maybe it should be ignored.

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What kind of archives for TM are needed in Gemini and HTTPS?

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something for each data/week/months

Oct 01 18:17

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at the very least for searchg engines to index easily

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not intentional, good platye, but the noise distracted me, she loved that plate

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Oh.

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As it stands, the search engines should be able to follow the navigation

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links forwards and backwards.

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(throughout the entire tm-new site)

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i keep telling her, it's not expensive

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first question, "is this just a plate?"

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"don't worry, it's used and onl;y worth like a pound anyway"

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(it was not a gift, either)