IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, June 02, 2022

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server cert is expired, for gemini link

Jun 02 07:20

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tails 5.1 seems delayed by several days with no public announcements

Jun 02 07:20

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if they released on time, none of the FUD makers would have noticed anyway

Jun 02 07:21

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FUD makers work 24/7 against both Tor and Tails regardless

Jun 02 07:34

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it is worth repating again and again that Tor is used extensively to EXPOSE crime, not COMMIT crime

Jun 02 07:35

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partly because th e rich and powerful made it a 'crime' to expose them

Jun 02 07:36

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as we saw in Assange

Jun 02 07:36

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UK had the audacity to lecture russia on free flow of info this week

Jun 02 07:36

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They're still kicking Assange around

Jun 02 07:42

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as i put it in yetserday in irc

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"we came, we saw, he died... well, he's dead"

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sociopaths want to see deaath sometimes

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reaffirms their power

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draft

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waiting for data to become available

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it'll be a bloodbath

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frankly, idg eet al should have covered such stuff

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they intentionally look the other way

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ack

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check

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the text needs to mention some brief stats

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and in particular provide a number on the month-on-month downward slide

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right!

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I am waiting for the conrete number/s

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I will ...

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well, if I use table (html), gemini would struggle

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maybe "month: %"

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for those who cannot see pictures

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ack

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key : value pairs, would work

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expect windows to be 25% or less

Jun 02 07:54

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i will add regional

Jun 02 07:54

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rant: a) what LF does upsets me. spamnil is again buying "views" (very very easy to tell and prove)

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(soem rants in today's IRC logs)

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b) not sure if you noticed, but around 5am GMT we had a momentary network issue at the server side, affecting TM and TR

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it probably lasted 2-5 mins

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I was alseep at the time

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other than that, all is well, I need topic ideas, last night's shift was last until weekend

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another rant: a asilly colleague (hannah) suggested that people work work 1-9am should be paid less than daytime because

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it's "quiet"; clearly she knows nothing about labour laws and was fending off for her partner

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but shows you what sort of dumarses we work with

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people with no actual compuiter skills, who compensate for it by talking shit

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and then having the audacity to suggest pay cuts for people who work the 200% slots

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I said, "better shut up than say something so insensitive and dumb"

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(said it to rianne, not on call)

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wow what a foolish colleague

Jun 02 08:35

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the grain of truth, yes, our slots are a lot easier to cover

Jun 02 08:36

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but from a legal POV, good luck!!

Jun 02 08:36

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stuff can still happen during those shifts and much of what they are paying for

Jun 02 08:38

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is the availability of both skilll and experience, both of which are expensive

Jun 02 08:38

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yes, exactly, this is whatt he CLIENTS pay for

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on call and onsite person who can fix shit

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she cannot fix anything

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not sure if you see my IRC remarks about how they demonise the workers

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"unskilled"

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"lazy"

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"Great Resignation"

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and you know their motivation

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those plutocrats who cannot themselves do the job

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and call their staff "expensive" or "biggest expense"

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then they buy the media to TELL US the same

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wqhy the f* would I wish to participoate in such a system?

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there's often a lot of general experience needed for those low paying jobs

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some of them more than others

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in the experience is a lot of domain specific knowledge

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or experience with particular clients and their systems

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staff retention is key here

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rianne knows how to fix a lot of things

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yes, familiarity with context saves a lot of work and time

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there is a part of me wishing to battle this "IT" injustice

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even if some of the time I'm "inside" to earn a living

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it's rather cleasr to see what's happening in general

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and wer can refine, articulate the explanation of that over time...

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if other people start talking the same way, then you know it is succeeding

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then, they perpetuate the message and do the work

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GNU did a lot of that since the 80s

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which is why so many projecfts still pick copyleft

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even nvidia will soon relase gplv2 code

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ack

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reciprocal licenses have many strategic advantages

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in particular the strong licenses like GPL

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Eben Moglen once described the non-reciprocal licenses as the ones you want

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your competitors to use. Either way. however, participants eventually find

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that there is more value in working with upstream code than trying to maintain

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an increasingly divergent fork.

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that goes against what's taught in "business" "school"

Jun 02 10:11

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LARPers

Jun 02 10:40

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but using real monry for counters

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and using such counters doesn't make the LARPing real, just harmful

Jun 02 10:40

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draft

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I realised it was one year, I was one day off

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the goal here is to encourage others to follow

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even if only a few

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that would be a massive accomplishment

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rather than celebrate libera.chat the focus ought to be on the unfortunate

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demise of freenode; freenode was great and very important for many years

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but eventually its main disadvantage, that of centralization, brought down

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many projects. While some moved to libera.chat, many just gave up on IRC all

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together. However, some, and these are the ones to praise, started their

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own IRC networks. (Re-)Decentralization is the solution to many of the

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problems people associate with the Internet nowadays.

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... and congratulations on a successful first year

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checking

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Jun 02 11:08

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finally!

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statcounter updated mins ago

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see draft :-D

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I am still reading and amending

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the company that shits bricks is now "clown" company

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checking -- oops too late

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no stats in summary? gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/02/turkey-in-pictures/

Jun 02 11:12

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oh, right, I forgot

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let me add that

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I will make ODF (ODS)

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and then some text

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, check now

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OK, check now

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thanks

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checking

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Thanks!

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so Turkey is hardening itself for "cyber" warfare, apparently

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FOSSPost wrote about turkey and gnu/linux ~4 days ago

Jun 02 11:29

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URL?

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the main FOSSpost page seem blocked by javascript

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^gratuitous javascript

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found it. looks like good progress but they do seem to miss the importance

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of establishing open formats across the sector first regardless of software

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am writing about norway atm

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to dispute the "linux for poor people" bs

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see draft

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finalised, published

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I think we hit bith EPO and msft/github where it hurts a lot

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*both

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seeing that sandbag leaves FB, you know it must look REALLY awful from the inside

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maybe sandbag and sheela zemlin can "start something new"

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Jun 02 12:05

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one sandbag is not enough when the FB ship is sinking

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btw, re twitter

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wot da fork is going on???

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all of a sudden silence

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also, it's not mentioned much in any context

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I think the death spiral was greatly accelebrated by Carl IMusk

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which I very much welcome

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if FB and Twitter go under, it would send a strong message to their copycats and heavy adopters

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"I used to be hung up on post counts, for some reason. On my ten year sludge through Twitter (2009-2019 (years lost forever)),

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I used to get worked up and enthusiastic about that I had 75K Tweets. It was a testament to how much time I wasted there, but i

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t was 75K of SOMETHING I had "done". Ridiculous thing to care about." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/992

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It was a testament to how much time I wasted there" -----> I posted 951k

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but back when it was a lot more busy a hub

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and in recent years I just sent nothing but copies

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didn't bother "engaging" at all

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now it seems so dead that i hardly see any replies

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even to old "tweets"

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TM was not responding or barelyt responding

Jun 02 12:08

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restarted httpd

Jun 02 12:08

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mental notes/coiredump: (when you are back, not afk)

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it might be worth putting together strategy notes on how to tackle diffetne types of issues and brands not the same thing...

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e.g. boycotts work well against brands and just saying "sofftware freedom" oversimplifies a multifaceted battle

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maybe I'll draft something for myself first...

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I would agree that there are probably some responses to common situations

Jun 02 12:26

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which could often be standardized, perhaps with variations

Jun 02 12:26

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so we need to outline, then factorise

Jun 02 12:26

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very roguh draft

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Amazon: cash cows include online retail business and clown computing (governments, businesses and people outsourcing to Amazon's Web Disservices)

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Apple: overpriced "luxury" (or perceived luxury) goods, which are precarious in a weak economy with supply/demand anomalies and sanction wars

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Netflix: rental to "content" (with DRM), akin to Spotify

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Clownflare: unprofitable, for the same reason Uber and gig economy [sic] in general is a bit of a gamble

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Google, Facebook and Twitter: a lot of surveillance capitalism with advertising and mental manipulation as the business model and force (YouTube does not seem to be profitable)

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Microsoft: Like Google, a failing business in hosting (massive losses), with the same in GitHub and maybe LinkeIn (a failing competitor of Facebook). Like Skype, it's hard to extract money, so surveilance increasingly becomes the business model, even with Windows whose market share decreases and competition (e.g. ChromeOS) drives the price down

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IBM (and Red Hat): Like HP and VMware, there's a languishing hardware and software business, with several failed attempts at hosting as a subscription-based business model

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or first list the assertions which commonly need rebuttal

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as I type more I realisew Japan lost so much of its clout except in cars

Jun 02 12:42

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ack

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amazon uses, if I understand correctly, proprietary interfaces to manage what

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would have otherwise been commodity systems

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so they may rent access to commodity GNU/Linux but they have definitely found

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one way to decommodify it.

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Similar with Red Hat (IBM). IBM has followed M$' outline from the Halloween

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Documents and been able to use systemd to decommodify GNU/Linux in such

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a way that it becomes so complex that their services must be hired in

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so decommodification appears to possibly be a recurring theme here

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yes, openshit, [sic] ansible etc.

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they use buzzwords like "transformation" and "legacy"

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to urge you to throw shit like containes and even k8s everywhere

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then struggle to find a sysadmin who can handle that

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ansible seemed interesting at first glance, but the complexity does not

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give a good return on investment on learning it over whipping up some casual

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custom shells scripts

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re ansible

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two colleagues here were fighting, sort of

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within the limits permitted

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over oone deploying puppet after tyhe other had spent/wasted a lot of time studying and deploying ansible

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me? i just get popcorn

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a lot of managers, in particular, fall victim to the sunk cost fallacy. They

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assert that because time and money have been spend chasing an uproductive or

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dead end direction that the same path must be continued rather than cutting

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losses and quickly pivoting to a useful approach

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going back on topic, as we did with novell before, it's important to look further at what comes next

Jun 02 12:52

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I think there's no overemcompassing explanation of the relationshiop betwen what the "brands" do

Jun 02 12:52

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the national identity matters because of cultural differences and demostic expertise

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Europe is, imho, laughably behind on "share"

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but I support that because

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1) more giants does not mean more income, many are a yoke on the economy

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2) potential for abuse

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the US wasted 1.1 trillion dollars a year on "defence" around 2015

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it must be a lot more now

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but the complete numbers are harder to find than what congress signs in public

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tesla/musk is graft, always was

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one essential factor to consider is that ICT is a pawn in major war efforts

Jun 02 12:56

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text might be hard to digest for what I'm after, I need to look into some diagrammin g software

Jun 02 12:59

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doing this the gimp was will look mickey mouse-ish

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gimp can do a lot if one has patience. But any program will give poor results

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if one spends only 10 minutes on the graphics, or for that matter only 2 hours

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Good art is usually quite time consuming and not worth the return in this context

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one-off does not merit a lot of effort unless the appearance affects

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the message

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maybe I can find some shitty "online" tool

Jun 02 13:02

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as it's a one-off

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alternative is networked wiki pages with actions of strategies for each companies

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rooted upon a type or types of threat/s

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citation lists / references are good, along with relevant quotes, so that

Jun 02 13:04

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there is link (plus quote) to cite when countering BS

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<ul>

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<li>thread </il>

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<ul>

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<li>company #1 for threat (not thread)

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linking to pages that explain what those companies do and how to counter them

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some wiki pages, e.g. "Amazon", already contain a list of articles, if I attach a numeric value to these refrences I can then

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refer to them with [list,of,posts]

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ack

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it is important to keep an archive of quotes from links because they can

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still be cited, in principle, even after the site itself has vanished or been

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removed

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or just the old pages removed from the site

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billwatch did some of that

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in the past out publication style iuncluded a ton of blockquote

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back when more journalism did exist

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2020 is "desert"

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2022 also

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OK, so I think I have an excuse to modernise the wiki or bring it up to date on some topic

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though that may mean no blog posts for a while

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there is some room for overlap with "librethreat database" from "matey"

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though he focused on inside threats

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yes

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his database could be linked to periodically to refresh awareness of it

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such lists age well, unfortunately

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the wiki has many pages with names of "brands"

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there are many links to such pages

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so changing what the pages contain affects context

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however, adding a new section to these pages would not have a negative effect

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so I might do just that

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we do not have consistent templates

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tome pages are a list derived from a search, ghenerated bty "matey"

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I do not update those pages as they can be 'regenerated" to include newer posrs

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I think our wiki pages are underutilised

http://techrights.org/wiki/Librethreat_Forecast

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yes but they are high-maintenance as they are

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Jun 02 15:59

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Librethreat Forecast - Techrights

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in which way could they be used more effectively?

Jun 02 16:00

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maybe as strategy outline

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I'm still thinking

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the lazy way is, make a video, throw some text in, but it's not suitable here

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Free Software timeline (older) http://techrights.org/wiki/Free_Software_timeline

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Free Software timeline - Techrights

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a word or two about the role Alexandre Oliva had at the time LibrePlanet

Jun 02 16:09

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censored him and the importance of it in the bigger picture are needed

Jun 02 16:09

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the page is a little outdated by now and I don't want to edit without permission from key maintainer

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as it can lead to tension

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I created a new page

http://techrights.org/wiki/High-Priority_Opponents

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | High-Priority Opponents - Techrights

http://techrights.org/wiki/High-Priority_Opponents

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How active is Fig now?

Jun 02 16:11

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THe nature of a wiki is that many can edit and update

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that nature is OK based on the assumption of no vandalistic spam like 1000 spam edits an hour

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I did try this before

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the www is a shitstorm

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see /wiki/index.php in apachetop

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I have the feeling that atop fails in some way to account for certain closed

Jun 02 17:05

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or abandoned connections.

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the reason I installed apachetop years ago was to better detect and understand ddos attacks

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tail -f on logs isn't too helpful, unless you deal with a small amount of requests

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I'vejust added some seminal text to http://techrights.org/wiki/High-Priority_Opponents

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it is still work in progress and based largely on our conversation

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maybe the next stage will be mind-mapping