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| r_schestowitz | " seems to me that Torvalds, with his general abdication the political in favour of the purely technical, has enjoyed smooth sailing because he was effectively being pulled along in RMS' wake - RMS was doing most of the rowing." | Oct 02 03:39 |
| r_schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9nUIIl2bh2JjY4EhjU | Oct 02 03:39 |
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| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 03:39 |
| r_schestowitz | The idea of requiring a backdoor in end-to-end encryption comes for a case involving Facebook vs the US DOJ about the gang MS13 using Messenger. DOJ has proposed a mechanism for backdooring all end-to-end encryption applications which the DOJ wants implemented if they win. As it is a sealed case, Facebook may be required to deny the backdoor existence if they lose #surveillance | Oct 02 03:39 |
| r_schestowitz | https://qz.com/1362398/the-us-government-wants-to-wiretap-facebook-messenger-in-an-ms-13-case/ | Oct 02 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-qz.com | The US government wants to wiretap Facebook Messenger in an MS-13 case — Quartz | Oct 02 03:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 03:39 |
| r_schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9nUTFjwSQFhOla7iAy | Oct 02 03:40 |
| r_schestowitz | "big cata" | Oct 02 03:40 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9nUV71VJxND0XMOyGm | Oct 02 03:40 |
| r_schestowitz | "yeah, but does it pay the rent ?" | Oct 02 03:40 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9nUVKMd2j9m5onNJce | Oct 02 03:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Oct 02 03:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | "It does! But the queue is filled already. Next year ?" | Oct 02 03:41 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Should be ready is about 20 mins | Oct 02 04:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > cheers. and good morning. i should put on some tea. | Oct 02 04:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 02 04:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > by the way, i know you want to keep it under wraps, but id love some hints or highlights from your irc chat. anything you can let me know, im happy to delete the email after i read it. | Oct 02 04:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 02 04:35 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/j082298/status/1179029753149509633 | Oct 02 04:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: @schestowitz He is a very evil man. When people like him claim to care about the environment, I don't believe that,no way. | Oct 02 04:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1179039983891406848 | Oct 02 04:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @schestowitz Random pointless articles to dilute their bad press. | Oct 02 04:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1179043978177585152 | Oct 02 04:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Patents make sure the "solutions" to climate change don't get widely adopted, unless you pay. | Oct 02 04:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/meeshellchen/status/1179057259361361920 | Oct 02 04:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@meeshellchen: @TreeMurray @schestowitz The world of perma-temping. | Oct 02 04:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/j082298/status/1179062561477660674 | Oct 02 04:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: @schestowitz They have a brain, the developer of their software's brain. | Oct 02 04:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DMCANews/status/1179086798112219138 | Oct 02 04:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DMCANews: Let's do this! Let me know what I can do! https://t.co/GSME9wJ1eh | Oct 02 04:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: RMS (email): "I have been hit, but not knocked out, and my campaign for free software is not over. I appreciate yo… https://t.co/tJ4LhRuKso | Oct 02 04:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/aa_trent/status/1179090818646368257 | Oct 02 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@aa_trent: @schestowitz @ManCity Hoping you lot focus on the CL so we can have the League. I'd rather have you win it than th… https://t.co/N6SxSmmtPb | Oct 02 04:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@aa_trent: @schestowitz @ManCity Hoping you lot focus on the CL so we can have the League. I'd rather have you win it than th… https://t.co/N6SxSmmtPb | Oct 02 04:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Hoping you lot focus on the CL so we can have the League. I'd rather have you win it than these entitled so called "big clubs" like Barca PSG Madrid. Atleast you lot have proper quality and deserve it." | Oct 02 04:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Keanu_lfc_16/status/1179093842626306048 | Oct 02 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Keanu_lfc_16: @schestowitz @ManCity If you say so Dr Roy😂 | Oct 02 04:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Narhiofficial/status/1179094188534767619 | Oct 02 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Narhiofficial: @Keanu_lfc_16 @schestowitz @ManCity dont know why you're in man city mentions lol | Oct 02 04:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Keanu_lfc_16/status/1179095743061221376 | Oct 02 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Keanu_lfc_16: @Narhiofficial @schestowitz @ManCity It's called going through twitter and it coming up through a retweet pal | Oct 02 04:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/for_baskets/status/1179096028949041152 | Oct 02 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@for_baskets: Congrats.......like you already..... https://t.co/PSg66RFL7w | Oct 02 04:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: "This week we welcome Marlene Mhangami ( @marlene_zw ) as our PyDev of the Week! Marlene is the PyCon Africa (… https://t.co/5tZtHBTrBq | Oct 02 04:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wozza64mcfc/status/1179097539112509440 | Oct 02 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@wozza64mcfc: @Keanu_lfc_16 @Narhiofficial @schestowitz @ManCity Rent free 😂😂⚽️👍 https://t.co/5I0jZ2Jivr | Oct 02 04:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@wozza64mcfc: @Keanu_lfc_16 @Narhiofficial @schestowitz @ManCity Rent free 😂😂⚽️👍 https://t.co/5I0jZ2Jivr | Oct 02 04:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wozza64mcfc/status/1179097539112509440 | Oct 02 04:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/steve_mynott/status/1179101425869176833 | Oct 02 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@steve_mynott: @schestowitz The best patch is to replace it by postfix. There have been far too many exim security issues. | Oct 02 04:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/elevendayslater/status/1179243472223657984 | Oct 02 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@elevendayslater: @schestowitz Duh, but that doesn't justify "Instead, the mainstream media peddles climate change narrative, and whi… https://t.co/xBZbBJWf3r | Oct 02 04:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 04:57 |
| r_schestowitz | Duh, but that doesn't justify "Instead, the mainstream media peddles climate change narrative, and whips up children into frenzy." | Oct 02 04:57 |
| r_schestowitz | That's actually pointless, and harmful to the children today. | Oct 02 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@elevendayslater: @schestowitz Duh, but that doesn't justify "Instead, the mainstream media peddles climate change narrative, and whi… https://t.co/xBZbBJWf3r | Oct 02 04:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/1179123618938343424 | Oct 02 04:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: EPO Makes Guidelines for Examination That Formally Allow Software Patents in Defiance of European Law #swpats… https://t.co/eHc6Bpsgoi | Oct 02 04:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | "EPO Makes Guidelines for Examination That Formally Allow Software Patents in Defiance of European Law #swpats #softwarepatents #Software #patents #law #Europe" | Oct 02 04:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: EPO Makes Guidelines for Examination That Formally Allow Software Patents in Defiance of European Law #swpats… https://t.co/eHc6Bpsgoi | Oct 02 04:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/1179123982794153984 | Oct 02 04:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: The Greenwashing and Chronic Lying From the EPO Spreads to EU Through EUIPO #Deception #patents #Europe https://t.co/xuTzjUxUS3 | Oct 02 04:58 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | The Greenwashing and Chronic Lying From the EPO Spreads to EU Through EUIPO | Techrights | Oct 02 04:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | > That was a very long discussion. I'm glad it was amicable and that | Oct 02 05:09 |
| r_schestowitz | > everyone involved is helpful. There is a lot to digest though and I | Oct 02 05:10 |
| r_schestowitz | > cannot offer any analysis of the content. | Oct 02 05:10 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 02 05:10 |
| r_schestowitz | > On a bit of a tangent, I wonder what type of text wrangling is needed | Oct 02 05:10 |
| r_schestowitz | > with the raw IRC logs to mash them into shape for publication? How much | Oct 02 05:10 |
| r_schestowitz | > of that has been automated so far? | Oct 02 05:10 |
| r_schestowitz | Funny you should mention that. Yesterday I was thinking, we can publish the logs daily like we used to, >if< I get outside help. A lot is automated in a workflow, to the extent possibly. You already have a TR account. Would you be interested in posting these? | Oct 02 05:10 |
| r_schestowitz | NB - I think the last time we published these daily was one decade ago. | Oct 02 05:10 |
| r_schestowitz | NB2 - all my daily microposts are included in these logs. | Oct 02 05:10 |
| r_schestowitz | RMS: | Oct 02 05:19 |
| r_schestowitz | > Would you please stop attacking and criticizing the FSF? | Oct 02 05:19 |
| r_schestowitz | > That works against my efforts on its behalf. | Oct 02 05:19 |
| r_schestowitz | Yesterday I posted a clarification and 2 followup articles explaining that FSF needs to be supported. I was only critical of the FSF prior to that, as lack of information led many people to believe you had been pushed out by the FSF's Board. | Oct 02 05:19 |
| r_schestowitz | Unless I go on and deleted things I wrote in the past it's possible that people will still see things I wrote in the past (that I no longer believe in). | Oct 02 05:19 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16122114#d085a690c6fa0137525d0cc47a07853c | Oct 02 05:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Our series about #fsf was timely (see index at the top) http://techrights.org/2019/08/22/library-federation/ | Oct 02 05:47 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | “Timely” but too late. | Oct 02 05:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Guarding and Rescuing the FSF Titanic: A Free (as in Freedom) Library, and Federation of Advocates | Techrights | Oct 02 05:47 | |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | “Timely” but too late. | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | it was in fact a remake, and definitely better than the original. | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | but despite the fact that sooner is often better than later for a good idea, i dont think its too late yet. just later than perfect. did the intro come true much sooner than expected? yes, once again. but it takes longer for people to organise, sometimes. still got a long way to go. i recommend supporting the association for user freedom. its still building momentum. | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - a day ago | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | I’m open to anything that authentically supports Free Software and the Freedoms associated with it. | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 05:47 |
| r_schestowitz | I’m open to anything that authentically supports Free Software and the Freedoms associated with it. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | im supporting it because its drawing interest and its part of the larger idea of a free software federation. at this time i only know of three organisations (one of them is COMPLETELY hypothetical, and the association for user freedom is still mostly a work in progress) that are supporting the concept. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | its a beginning. so i think afuf has lot of potential and im eager for it to grow, but im as curious which directions it will choose to go in as anybody. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Free Software and the Freedoms associated with it. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | very, very important. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Will Hill | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Will Hill - about an hour ago | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | I’m glad you are doing something to preserve libraries, but I think I’m missing something in your argument. It’s unfair to criticize the FSF for not saving libraries, or for ignoring other problems. The organization’s purpose is software freedom, which is a prerequisite for other freedoms. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 19 minutes ago | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | It’s unfair to criticize the FSF for not saving libraries, or for ignoring other problems. The organization’s purpose is software freedom | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | except that isnt what im criticising. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | im criticising the fsf for its lack regarding the a bigger picture. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | the bigger picture is this– the berne convention led to the copyright act of 1976, and the legal support for proprietary software. richard stallman knows this– at least most if not all of it. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | the fsf has continually fought for a special exception to this upside-down, complete reversal of the public domain, which is absolutely fine in and of itself. i get that the fsf is focused on this exception. thats not the problem. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | the problem is that the entire system that created the need for this exception continues to threaten the entire infrastructure (the internet) that is vital to free software (the exception) thriving. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | you cant ignore this larger problem, if you want free software to succeed at even half the level that the fsf aims. its like trying keep alabama 20 degrees cooler while the rest of the united states gets 10 degrees warmer. it isnt going to to work, and it isnt working! | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | so i dont expect the fsf to change focus that is a strawman. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | i call on the fsf to recognise their allies, which they have shown great scepticism of and even misrepresented. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | ive actually heard from people at fsf, that they cant misrepresent the free culture movement, as they dont subscribe to it. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | thats nonsensical. people are misrepresenting stallman, while many or most of them do not “subscribe” to him or his philosophy. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | it is not easy to prove (beyond all argument, that is) that the fsf misrepresents and works against free culture, but i believe it is possible to do. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | regardless, supporting free software while working against free culture is like having a mission to hold up a table-- while removing three of its legs. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | i have spent literally years (more than half a decade) fighting this, studying this and talking about this. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | youre not saying anything i havent already heard, it still rests on a straw man of what im actually saying. im not accusing of you doing this deliberately, i appreciate many of the things you say and do for free software. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | i am a software author and free software promoter, and i believe the fsf needs free culture as an ally. otherwise copyright will become too extreme for free software to survive. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | the fsfe is far worse than the fsf or fsf-la in this regard. in fact, the fsfe is the worst of all, i think the fsfe (and NO OTHER fsf chapter) should be defunded and disavowed.** they have sold out** to the copyright extremists and internet filters. they are traitors to the fsf and free software-- to the internet, and to users. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | there is no software freedom without freedom of speech. software freedom is a subset of free speech and a product of free speech. | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 2 minutes ago | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Free Culture would include Free Music, Free Theater, and yes, a culture that is not monetized! Wow. Just like all of our ancestors had! | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think that is a criticism of FSF not working in that other domain | Oct 02 05:48 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16005409#49101030bb2d0137098d7a163ef10931 | Oct 02 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This series is now very relevant: http://techrights.org/2019/08/20/freedom-iceberg/ (1 of 8 parts) Wife: when they want someone kicked out, it's always something to do with sexuality | Oct 02 05:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Hit them "below the belt"" | Oct 02 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Guarding and Rescuing the FSF Titanic: There is More Than One Iceberg Ahead | Techrights | Oct 02 05:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15713111#551a1120a2d60137ada252540039b762 | Oct 02 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "America's Army is a series of first-person shooter video games developed and published by the U.S. Army" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Army the most violent country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States | Oct 02 05:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> en.wikipedia.org | America's Army - Wikipedia | Oct 02 05:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | Oct 02 05:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | That being said, I'd still play it lol | Oct 02 05:49 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> en.wikipedia.org | Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia | Oct 02 05:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16031749#47933810bd890137b18b0cc47a07853c | Oct 02 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Referring to #gnu #linux directories as "folders" :-) :-) https://www.how2shout.com/how-to/how-to-hide-and-unhide-files-or-folder-on-a-linux-computer.html | Oct 02 05:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.how2shout.com | How to hide and unhide files or folder on a Linux computer | Oct 02 05:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:50 |
| r_schestowitz | i go back to dos, theyre directories. just like in unix. even the dos command for ls is called “dir” | Oct 02 05:50 |
| r_schestowitz | however-- its safe to call them folders regardless. more people know what they are if you do that, and its half the syllables whether youre speaking or typing. | Oct 02 05:50 |
| r_schestowitz |  | Oct 02 05:50 |
| r_schestowitz | Poot San - 12 days ago | Oct 02 05:50 |
| r_schestowitz | frwxr-xr-x == wtf | Oct 02 05:50 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15712926#31344160a2c1013709557a163ef10931 | Oct 02 05:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: According to the #irs the executive director of #commondreams makes about $200,000 a year (or made that in 2017 for 40 hours/week). Fair? https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/203368194/201802209349300420/IRS990 | Oct 02 05:52 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> projects.propublica.org | Nonprofit Explorer - COMMON DREAMS INC - Form 990 - ProPublica | Oct 02 05:52 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | Someone has to profit. | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 2 months ago | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | Looks like a dream-job. | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 2 months ago | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | someone working as head of marketing and communications for a larger non-profit organisation could make nearly that much. how does this 200,000 compare to other non-profits of the same size? | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | only want to keep it in context. maybe this is rotten, but if you have the money, there are times when you get what you pay for in terms of directors. | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | each actor on seinfeld got 1,000,000 per episode. jerry turned down 100 million for one more season that didnt get made-- 5 million per episode. if youre looking for outrageous expenditures in non-profits, put the salary aside for a minute and get a look at the offices they make for the executives. perhaps the same argument (you get what you pay for) applies, but this is where it gets ridiculous and really seems no different than for- | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | profit corporations. | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 2 months ago | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | So this one guy gets 1/5th of the income? What do the rest get? How much goes to the intended purpose (assuming that the purpose is not the payroll). | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 2 months ago | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | So this one guy gets 1/5th of the income? What do the rest get? | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | i know, but before common dreams is singled out, the economy is graded on a curve. | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | ive worked with large nonprofits-- not a lot-- this sort of thing is actually typical. you can make the argument that it should be reined in a little, you can also make the argument that if you do, you will get lesser talent (im not joking.) i think both arguments deserve consideration, im not on one side or the other of this one, but i do think realism counts for something. | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | there are exceptions too. | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | richard stallman is an exception, for sure. i mean look it up. i dont know what sullivan makes, i never really cared. | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | He makes 100k, it's in their 2017 filing with the IRS | Oct 02 05:52 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15967431#98fb3a00b77e0137b1a90cc47a07853c | Oct 02 05:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Greek shipping magnate who served as its director until 2000, and a tech gadfly straight out of central casting (his 1995 bestselling book Being Digital prophesied a world in which digital “bits” would overtake our physical world of “atoms”)." https://theoutline.com/post/7927/jeffrey-epstein-money-mit-media-lab | Oct 02 05:53 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> theoutline.com | Destroy the MIT Media Lab | The Outline | Oct 02 05:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:53 |
| r_schestowitz | this is a reactionary hit piece-- ive been a fan of the media lab for ages, theyve done some amazing work that has changed education around the entire world. | Oct 02 05:53 |
| r_schestowitz | the corruption as well as the hipster bullshit is worth condemning, of course. but this article acts like the entire concept is worthless. its so far from the truth. imo, its one of the best things at mit. | Oct 02 05:53 |
| r_schestowitz | minus the corruption and the hipster bullshit, that is. olpc was a good idea with valuable outcomes. app inventor is an incredible teaching tool (ive got my complaints about it, but those are details.) the media lab deserves a second opinion, i think kulwin wrote entirely from bias on this one. | Oct 02 05:53 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:53 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16042153#e0bedb40bec50137db6b16000018adb5 | Oct 02 05:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Russia National Guard director calls for freeing one ‘ #Moscow case’ defendant and adding years to another's #prison sentence https://meduza.io/en/news/2019/09/19/russian-national-guard-director-calls-for-freeing-one-moscow-case-defendant-and-adding-years-to-another-s-prison-sentence | Oct 02 05:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> meduza.io | NO TITLE | Oct 02 05:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Yes. A little physical disobedience can be forgiven. It is different when it comes to words on the Internet. This is far too dangerous to be left not punished with extreme prejudice." | Oct 02 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15983202#7f23c9e0c01d013752490cc47a07853c | Oct 02 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft loves [to attack] #linux (usually by proxy, as internal Microsoft documents admit) | Oct 02 05:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | "ai is the next step of that. computers are the bicycle of the mind, ai is the bicycle of the computer.' | Oct 02 05:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:57 |
| r_schestowitz | Oct 02 05:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | and insomuch as computers are used for bad things, thats a truly awful thing. it can do good as well, but most of the people doing the research dont want to use it for good, except to promote the technology in general so it can be used for unethical reasons. | Oct 02 05:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 05:57 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16032523#c6790a80bd9f013752450cc47a07853c | Oct 02 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Bruce Perens has the licensing background, software freedom orientation, technical chops, and, lately, high level political contacts. He'd make a good head for the @FSF if he could be brought around to the idea." -Anon, #techrights | Oct 02 06:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 06:11 |
| r_schestowitz | im in favour of perens too, but i didnt know about (or consider) his political contacts. | Oct 02 06:11 |
| r_schestowitz | ive long considered perens to be the one person in open source who definitely cares about free software. | Oct 02 06:11 |
| r_schestowitz | as a bonus, he resigned (over the fact that he disapproved of the direction) from his own organisation that he co-founded, and still joined the board later on. since it is important for stallman to join the fsf board again, perens is probably the best choice in that regard. | Oct 02 06:11 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 06:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15495247#3e0489608e880137e58e0cc47a07853c | Oct 02 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "attended a meeting at the White House on July 19 and a video of the meeting with Trump subsequently went viral on social media and sparked widespread controversy back home." https://indianexpress.com/article/world/bangladeshi-hindu-woman-to-be-tried-for-sedition-for-telling-trump-minorities-being-persecuted-5839620/ | Oct 02 06:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> indianexpress.com | Bangladeshi Hindu woman to be tried for sedition for telling Trump minorities being persecuted | World News, The Indian Express | Oct 02 06:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | youve got to be fucking kidding me | Oct 02 06:12 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:12 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 2 months ago | Oct 02 06:12 |
| r_schestowitz | Road Transport Minister and ruling Awami League general secretary Obaidul Quader told reporters that she has made a “false, purposeful and treasonous remarks”. | Oct 02 06:12 |
| r_schestowitz | ohho, theek hai-- bangladesh mein. | Oct 02 06:12 |
| r_schestowitz | sab chalta hai, yah aisa hai. | Oct 02 06:12 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 06:12 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> That was a very long discussion. I'm glad it was amicable and that | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> everyone involved is helpful. There is a lot to digest though and I | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> cannot offer any analysis of the content. | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> On a bit of a tangent, I wonder what type of text wrangling is needed | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> with the raw IRC logs to mash them into shape for publication? How much | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> of that has been automated so far? | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Funny you should mention that. Yesterday I was thinking, we can publish | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> the logs daily like we used to, >if< I get outside help. A lot is | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> automated in a workflow, to the extent possibly. You already have a TR | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> account. Would you be interested in posting these? | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > I can take a look. What would the work flow be like? Where are the raw | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > logs to be fetched from? | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | Funnily enough I never documented this anywhere in the past. | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | OK, let's see... (we can GREATLY simplify it, below is just a record of what's done now) | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | In IRC I have a "log" account just lodged in the channel. It uses xchat because of its logging format, which has been the same all these years. | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | In the past I had the same setup on Rianne's laptop as the connection was less reliable, so I merged both logs. I no longer do this | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | In the past I also had someone at Canada logging the channel and merged that in | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | ~$ cat irc-files.sh | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | rm irc-log-social-* | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | rm irc-log-techrights-* | Oct 02 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | rm irc-log-techbytes-* | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | # cp techrights.log techrights-previous.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | # rm techrights.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | # wget http://www.maxhost.org/other/techrights-2018.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | tail -n52000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | head -n52000 > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | #tail -n2200000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | head -n2200000 > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | tail -n100000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | head -n200000 > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | tail -n55000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#techbytes.log | tail -n55000 > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techbytes.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | tail -n55000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#techrights.log | head -n55000 > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techrights.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | #tail -n96000 ~/FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | head -96000 > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | #tail -n1550000 ~/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | head -n1550000 > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | #tail -n950000 ~/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | head -n950000 > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | #tail -n100000 ~/FreeNode-#techbytes.log | tail -n100000 > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techbytes.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | #tail -n150000 ~/FreeNode-#techrights.log | head -n150000 > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techrights.log | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | # tail -n100000 techrights-2018.log > CANADA.txt | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | kate python \ | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techbytes.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techrights.log \ | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | irc-log-social irc-log-techrights irc-log irc-log-techbytes & | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | # ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techbytes.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techrights.log ~/CANADA.txt | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | I made smaller versions of the original files, which are vast. This way kate can cope. | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | The core script we use is irclog2html.py | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-techrights --title='IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: July 28th, 2019 – August 3rd, 2019' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log --title='IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July 28th, 2019 – August 3rd, 2019' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-social --title='IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: July 28th, 2019 – August 3rd, 2019' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html. | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | py irc-log-techbytes --title='IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: July 28th, 2019 – August 3rd, 2019' ; cp irc-log.html irc-log-28072019.html ; cp irc-log-social.html irc-log-social-28072019.html ; cp irc-log-techrights.html irc-log-techrights-28072019.html; cp irc-log-techbytes.html irc-log-techbytes-28072019.html | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | Current blog template: | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | Oct 02 06:25 | |
| r_schestowitz | <strong>IRC Proceedings: July 28th, 2019 – August 3rd, 2019</strong> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <table align="center"> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <tbody> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <tr> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/116px-Gartoon-Gedit-icon.png" border="0" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="GNOME Gedit" /></a></p></td> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/116px-Gartoon-Gedit-icon.png" border="0" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="GNOME Gedit" /></a></p></td> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | </tr> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <tr> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log">#techrights log</a></p></td> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log">#boycottnovell log</a></p></td> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | </tr> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <tr> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/116px-Gartoon-Gedit-icon.png" border="0" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="GNOME Gedit" /></a></p></td> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/116px-Gartoon-Gedit-icon.png" border="0" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="GNOME Gedit" /></a></p></td> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | </tr> | Oct 02 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | <tr> | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log">#boycottnovell-social log</a></p></td> | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log">#techbytes log</a></p></td> | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | </tr> | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | </tbody> | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | </table> | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | Oct 02 06:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | <p align="center"> | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | <font size="5"><a href="/irc-channel/" title="IRC Channel">Enter the IRC channels now</a></font> | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | </p> | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | irc-log-28072019 | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | Many IRC logs | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | ======= | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | Those last two are blog slug and summary. | Oct 02 06:26 |
| r_schestowitz | Please IGNORE much of the above, I'll write in a separate message what can be done for daily publication. I need to think about it carefully. | Oct 02 06:26 |
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| r_schestowitz | OK... | Oct 02 06:32 |
| r_schestowitz | [1] So nowadays my connection is stable enough that I >think< we're safe to go with one source of data files for logs. | Oct 02 06:32 |
| r_schestowitz | [2] There are 4 channels, hence 4 files per day, extracted from the larger (full) files. | Oct 02 06:32 |
| r_schestowitz | [3] Using grep and similar I reckon I can make a daily job that gives me 4 files for yesterday's full raw logs for the prior day. I can then change my scripts to convert into html in an unsupervised fashion (typically I prefer to run through the text manually to ensure nothing is missing; things can go wrong sometimes and can be amended). | Oct 02 06:32 |
| r_schestowitz | [4] So let's say I get 4 HTML files, one for each channel. I can send these across to you over E-mail each morning, you then open them using a browser and check it all makes sense (maybe read these too if you like, that has ALL my microblogging, replies, techrights chat), then upload to Techrights (WordPress), add the URLs into the template and publish. | Oct 02 06:32 |
| r_schestowitz | [5] If that sounds OK, I can go with [3] above and see how challenging that is (I reckon it's doable in less than an hour). | Oct 02 06:32 |
| r_schestowitz | Cheers, | Oct 02 06:32 |
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| TechrightsBN | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75 | Oct 02 06:32 |
| r_schestowitz | >> 8)16833/2019/09/29/fsf-defaced-rms/ | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> 9)16288/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> 10)15443/2019/09/30/red-hat-under-ibm/ | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> 11)11233/2019/09/28/gates-above-the-law/ | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > Those numbers are about triple to quadruple what has previously been in | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > that range, if I recall correctly. | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > I suspect a lot of people are concerned about the use of lynch mobs | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > against RMS, regardless of the other issues. As mentioned earlier, | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > there are lots of smug hypocrites out there that whine continuously | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > about "behavior" targeting individual after individual for slights real | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > or perceived. Yet despite building their followings on "behavior" they | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > endorse and cheer for an online lynch mob. The same mob pushes for | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > CoCs, aka Malleus Hackerum [1], to use politics and mob justice to rid | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > projects of technical obstacles. The CoCs are always applied | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > selectively, only against opponents of DRM and such. However, the CoCs | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > and the mobs pushing for them and abusing them once acquired are only | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > instruments being used against hot topics like Software Freedom. | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > However, being tools, they don't realize that. | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum | Oct 02 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Malleus Maleficarum - Wikipedia | Oct 02 06:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | Wow, I didn't realise "Malleus Maleficarum" was a real thing. | Oct 02 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Let me pass you two messages I got hours ago. | Oct 02 06:35 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16106498#0d9e1940c5340137e2fc268acd52edbf | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | "| | Oct 02 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shortly After #RichardStallman Says He's Head of #GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ #fsf #rms #freesw | Oct 02 06:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Shortly After Richard Stallman Says He’s Head of GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” (Updated) | Techrights | Oct 02 06:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | @nissuac@framasphere.org | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | @Emmanuel Florac | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | @harry haller | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | and the notice is gone again. https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | at this time i dont suspect the worlds most talented hackers are behind this minor, misleading defacement. sure, they certainly could, im sceptical that this is their m.o. however. | Oct 02 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-stallman.org | 2019: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman | Oct 02 06:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | im interested in roys theory that someone at the fsf is doing this. id definitely like to hear more about that. | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Who is personally closest to RMS? | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | What I was trying to get-at is that someone could contact them, off-line of course. | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | his email is working fine, there is no evidence that it is compromised. | Oct 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | you and i are perfectly capable of going to meet him, i think its a great idea. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | but as to getting to the bottom of this, all evidence points to the website, not his email, getting compromised. thats the mystery to solve. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | fun question: who can we trust in stallmans immediate geographical area right now? | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | right now i would trust his email over them. id say oliva should just call him, though if hes looking for housing, does he have a landline? email is probably the primary means of contacting him when hes not in an office. though perhaps oliva could enlighten us on this. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | I don’t know… I would ask a friend of his first. If I were Stallman, I would be wanting some space for myself right now. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Miloslav Číž | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Miloslav Číž - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | call him | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | I think he doesn’t have phone. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | If I were Stallman, I would be wanting some space for myself right now. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | you could be right. im just saying, if some friends took him to his favourite restaurant right now, i dont think he would turn them down. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | he might, i just doubt it. i would probably feel the same way as you about this. but putting that i aside, i dont think stallman would. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Talk to a close friend, find out what is going on with him… then get in touch. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | From https://stallman.org | Oct 02 06:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal Page | Oct 02 06:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | I continue to be the Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project. I do not intend to stop any time soon. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | I found new interim housing — thanks to those who helped. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Good. Great! He sounds well. I tend to worry… | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Trocatintas | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Trocatintas - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | It would be just great for someone intent on finishing off the FSF and GNU for good to make suspicions poison people’s relations within their ranks. Let’s not go there just yet. A momentarily unattended laptop would be more than enough to compromise security. And for someone traveling all over the world and staying at different people’s houses… | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Trocatintas | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Trocatintas - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Tom and Freemedia take RMS out to dinner, do an informal interview type of thing and Roy publishes it. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | :D | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Right now all I want to do is offer support. | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Trocatintas | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Trocatintas - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | @tomgrz I was just joking. ;) | Oct 02 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I kinda figured. But I’m not joking. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | i wasnt thinking of an interview. just a chance to meet the man in person, see how hes doing, buy him a meal. obviously thats going to have to wait. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | hes got a place, thats much faster than i expected. there is some good news on the horizon, maybe, despite all this mess. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | dont let the bastards, etc. and do it for stallman. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | tomix@diasporing.ch | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | tomix@diasporing.ch - 2 days ago | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | @Trocatintas At least it’s easy to recognize now who is behind those intents. One just has to look at posts, articles, etc. from the last couple of days (so many lies, hatred, manipulations, I couldn’t believe my eyes). | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I saw that the gnu site is reffering to fsf for donations. Hope it will be possible to donate to the gnu project directly in the future. I want to channel all my donations directly to them (to an organization which supports RMS). | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - a day ago | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I just dropped my membership in the FSF. I can always reenlist, if they can win me back… | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens - a day ago | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | Great way to let them know you’re not happy with the ousting of their founder, @tomgrz. 👍 | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | Great way to let them know you’re not happy with the ousting of their founder, @tomgrz. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | as someone who called for a boycott of free software this year to make the fsf listen to members more, i think this is a terrible time to leave. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | not only has stallman asked people to join the fsf, he has asked several people to explain how joining will help him. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | youre doing the exactly opposite of what he wants and has requested, to support him. of course its your money and your right, but that doesnt make it the best move, which we can still debate. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | simple math dictates that if more of stallmans supporters leave to show their support, they are creating an fsf membership that is less supportive of stallman. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | i was on the fence before, but im really beginning to believe stallman when he said that the fsf isnt to blame for him leaving. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | i ask you to reconsider the possibility that his statement is true. i have, and im not asking you to do anything i havent done. ive remained on the fence all this time. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | last night i got another email from rms, and that one really drove it home. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | dont leave for stallmans sake. thats not what he wants. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | he isnt doing this just to naively support a worthless organisation. hes doing this to save something that he wants you to still believe in. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | of course i still believe in alternatives. i stand by everything in the “guarding and rescuing the fsf titanic” book. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | but consider what stallman really wants. then if youre still not moved, reconsider. thats all im really saying. i think its better with the details, but this is the point that im trying to make here. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - a day ago | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | not only has stallman asked people to join the fsf, he has asked several people to explain how joining will help him. youre doing the exactly opposite of what he wants and has requested | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I make my own independent assessment. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I make my own independent assessment. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | everybody ought to. i simply urge them to not dismiss stallmans request too hastily. i cannot (and do not wish to) prove you have done so. | Oct 02 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - a day ago | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes I have! | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Sapiens - a day ago | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | And I support your decision, @tomgrz. 👍 | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes I have! | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | the wording of what i said is unintentionally ambiguous, though i hoped it would be clear anyway. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | i simply urge them to not dismiss stallmans request too hastily. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | i cannot (and do not wish to) prove you have done so. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | in other words, i am not trying to say that you dismissed his request too hastily. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | And I support your decision, @tomgrz. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | i also support his decision, its ultimately his and his alone to make. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | i simply dont recommend it to anybody. im not in charge of toms pursestrings. i did agree to do what stallman asked me to do. stallman isnt in charge of toms pursestrings either. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Icavot | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Icavot - a day ago | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | +1 @freemedia@share.naturalnews.com Good points. I think your strategy is valid, at least for some time. That is what RMS has asked people to do. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - a day ago | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | in other words, i am not trying to say that you dismissed his request too hastily. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | “hastily” or not, it is my decision. So there. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - a day ago | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | AND, as I said, I can always rejoin, IF they show themselves worthy. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | it is my decision. So there. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | i agree, so there. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | as I said, I can always rejoin, IF they show themselves worthy. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | i have high hopes. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | theres still a lot of things that can go wrong, and a lot of things i want fixed. i will not be shocked if they win you back-- not because i think youll change your mind for no reason, just because i think they have a real chance to get some of this right. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Miloslav Číž | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Miloslav Číž - a day ago | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Let Stallman establish FSF2 and people just rejoin there, problem solved. | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | 魔大农 Modanung | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | 魔大农 Modanung - a day ago | Oct 02 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | From Wikipedia: | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | In September 2019, it was reported that Stallman had made statements on an internal CSAIL listserv in defense of deceased MIT professor Marvin Minsky, in relation to Virginia Giuffre’s deposition that she was directed to have sex with Minsky by Jeffrey Epstein. [117] [118] As a response, Stallman resigned from both MIT and the Free Software Foundation. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Trocatintas | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Trocatintas - a day ago | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | And the smear campaign goes on. Funny how they never link directly to the mailing list. I wish someone in that CSAIL mailing list would make it publicly available somewhere else other than the Vice defamatory article. His Wikipedia article is also riddled with such examples: | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Richard Stallman: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | And although he spoke “in support of free speech, and against government and corporate surveillance” in many other instances they choose to go for the “Russian angle.” Richard Stallman - #Surveillance resistance- Wikipedia | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Richard Stallman: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | It’s “as if” there was an orchestrated campaign deliberately including hundreds of small variations clearly designed to maximize negative perception. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Richard Stallman: Revision history - Wikipedia | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - a day ago | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | At some point “as if” becomes “as”. ;-( | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - a day ago | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | What are the odds? ;-( | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Let Stallman establish FSF2 and people just rejoin there, problem solved. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | i hope its clear milo, that im in favour of fsf1 remaining regardless of fsf2 and fsfn. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | watch devuan for 5 years, and how long it takes to establish debian2. we NEED debian2, but its crawling along. i would like to hear how fsf2 can avoid the same, but its no coincidence that when fsf1 is down, im arguing passionately in favour of helping it. my hope for fsf2 was to have more of it ready at whatever time something like this happened. in a pattern ive come to notice, these things get bad faster than anything we could have | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | realistically anticipated. when i predicted microsoft would buy red hat (close enough) it only took months for it to happen. guarding and rescuing the fsf titanic? didnt take long either. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | The FSF isn’t just threatened, it will hit a large iceberg in the future that changes it permanently. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | third paragraph, introduction. this is a time of transition, and it would be extremely wasteful to not even care what happens to the fsf. the fsf is an outpost and we should try to secure it for free software, rather than simply let it go to the opponents, as they would like it to. so its fsf1 AND fsf2, not fsf1 OR fsf2, you know? | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | the lack of more than one basket is a problem not solved by transferring everything into a new basket. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - a day ago | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | the lack of more than one basket is a problem not solved by transferring everything into a new basket. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | There is no innate reason that Free Software should have a centralized, pyramid-like structure. Sure, it is easier for people to understand that way, and easier for us to keep the message straight, but now we can picture that a potential single point of failure is not ideal. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Miloslav Číž | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Miloslav Číž - a day ago | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | I’m actually saying let’s create two baskets, but yeah, it was more of a joke. | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - a day ago | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Not a good time for jokes. ;-( | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 06:59 |
| r_schestowitz | im very glad that an increasing number of people are interested in a free software federation (this term goes beyond infrastructure, beyond protocols, and is more about people organising than the technology they use. of course to some extent that is relevant as well. i dont think such a federation requires a single protocol more than a single organisation.) | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | while i am doing more than usual to support the fsf, theres good reason for that. there are advantages the fsf has-- including its 501c3 status. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | that status also has some disadvantages (and limitations) that a federation can make itself extra useful by not having. im against dumping the fsf for many reasons, among them the resources and infrastructure (and people with specific talents that we may not have for a long time) so even in a free software federation, the fsf can prove a vital role. i would rather watch it transition helpfully to such a role than have it yoked or bolted | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | on, as a strong preference. i dont believe the fsf has turned against us. it has ossified a bit, it needed a wake up call. im pretty confident it has that now. im the originator of the small “frequently silent foundation” campaign, and i will keep that going when it proves necessary, though im willing to let the fsf get dressed and have coffee (or tea) while it figures out (and we figure out) what the hell is going on. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | I’m actually saying let’s create two baskets, but yeah, it was more of a joke. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | Not a good time for jokes. ;-( | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe not, though no harm was done this time. if anything it was a fine opportunity to talk about the advantages of a federation WITH the fsf. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | i remember after 9/11, when everyone was struggling to figure out how to make a joke that was actually helpful at such a time. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | the onion was one of the first to say “you know what? this is our job! lets do this.” and they did alright for a first try. i am watching for stallmans first joke after all this. i hope it comes soon. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | Icavot | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | Icavot - a day ago | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | If you are looking for a second basket in Europe, you’ll be disappointed: https://fsfe.org/news/2019/news-20190917-01.en.html | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | “While we recognise Stallman’s role in founding the Free Software movement, we welcome the decision.” | Oct 02 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfe.org | Richard Stallman resigns as president of the Free Software Foundation | Oct 02 07:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | what i meant to add before, is that the fsfs 501c3 status does have potential advantages, but it also has limitations– | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | one of those being the degree to which they can actually support the sort of federation we propose. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | i have no expectation of them supporting a move towards federation directly or any day soon. its important to know thats something WE want, it goes against their very structure (at least in some aspects.) | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | i dont think thats a problem, its a challenge. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | i recommend leaning towards being tactful, thoughtful and patient about that challenge. we all know that some of us (myself included) are going to be loud-mouthed again. i didnt take the blue pill they gave torvalds-- there will be plenty of things to bitch and moan about, i promise. we must all make gnuisances of ourselves-- thats my opinion. but also remember that the idea that stallman isnt a team player isnt always more than | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | propaganda. hes an iconoclast. we can be iconoclasts. hes not as reactionary or single-minded as people make him out to be. so hes a good role model in that regard, i think. we arent out to be carbon copies, we are out to be free software advocates. thats what a free software federation does. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - a day ago | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | @Icavot | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | If you are looking for a second basket in Europe, you’ll be disappointed: https://fsfe.org/news/2019/news-20190917-01.en.html | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | “While we recognise Stallman’s role in founding the Free Software movement, we welcome the decision.” | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | disappointed, but not surprised! | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | i have a lot of things to say about how fsfe is the weakest part of the entire fsf-- and in europe, where they desperately need people to stand up to the #stEUpidity about copyright, patents and trademarks. what a shitshow! | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | i think this really ices the cake of the pathetic job fsfe is doing of late. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | i dont think thats the most important thing going on right now, but judgment against the fsfe will not be kind. they dont deserve it. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | if you really want to skewer them, wait for more. i swear i dont know what it will be, but i predicted the purchase of red hat (lucky guess) and a major tragedy for the fsf (lucky guess, very unlucky event to be certain but it seemed bound to happen) and i suspect people are going to have proof that fsfe is the shittiest fsf of all. just wait for it. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | meanwhile, histories of free software are very useful in figuring out the future. i became a free software historian (if only for myself) when i decided open source looked like it was rewriting history. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | the past says more about the future than people usually figure out. its not a map, its a guide, its a hintbook. the more people learn about the fsf, the more useful their opinions will likely become. of course, their opinions may very be useful anyway. but more information and becoming even more useful, theres nothing wrong with that. for those who feel strongly about free software, this is part of our digital heritage. it enriches us | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | to learn it. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | im sure there are good people at the fsfe, and we owe those individuals (whoever they are) every bit of fairness that we demand for stallman. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | but i am deeply unimpressed with that chapter. and its not unlikely you will be too. | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 07:00 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16022524#e1b11380bcaa013709957a163ef10931 | Oct 02 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: You'll get a new #Firefox each month in 2020 as Mozilla speeds up releases https://www.cnet.com/news/youll-get-new-firefox-each-month-in-2020-as-mozilla-speeds-up-releases/ #mozilla increases numbers | Oct 02 07:01 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 07:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.cnet.com | You'll get a new Firefox each month in 2020 as Mozilla speeds up releases - CNET | Oct 02 07:01 | |
| r_schestowitz | And thus Firefox-ESR becomes even more important… | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | Myself, I am torn between Firefox-ESR and IceCat - but some sites seem not to like IceCat. I think if I just give it and up-to-date FireFox agent string it should be OK. | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | Alessandro Ebersol | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | Alessandro Ebersol - 13 days ago | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | No, Mozilla without Eich has become a joke. A juggernaut, now, a toothless tiger… | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | I hadn’t noticed the lack of that feature. | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 13 days ago | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | worthless browser its become. absolute shit, i fucking hate it. mozilla is a loathsome castoff of what it was.-- nothing but gimmicks, selling out and star-trek-like technobabble. | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | “reroute the ultradns to the forward encryption relays!” “i cant! the power lines are fused!” “try upgrading the heisenberg plugin framework!” “oh hey! thats got it-- great idea ensign!” watching them constantly change their bandages with higher tech ones, so much fun. | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | Alessandro Ebersol | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | Alessandro Ebersol - 13 days ago | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | Star Trek technobabble Hahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahh | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | LOL | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | tomgrz - 12 days ago | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | Yep, when something is rotten through the core, layering stuff on is not going to do the job. | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | "i dont trust their approach to security, people have already found ridiculous problems with it. it reminds me too much of windows security-- just keep slapping on newfangled tools to "protect" the hive from blah blah blah-- security used to have a grownup, systemic approach. layering on security gimmicks is what you do with proprietary software that includes backdoors, to make people feel good-- part high tech security theatre. its | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | rotten. but it sounds important!" | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | "Yep, when something is rotten through the core, layering stuff on is not going to do the job." | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | Unfortunately, the only "Big Browser" that's FOSS (ish) and still alive is FF, so we need to support Mozilla, with reservations | Oct 02 07:01 |
| r_schestowitz | > On 10/2/19 8:32 AM, Roy Schestowitz wrote: | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> OK... | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> [1] So nowadays my connection is stable enough that I >think< we're safe | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> to go with one source of data files for logs. | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | > I poked around and there seem to be files on TR in | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | > /root/phirce-techrights/logs, would those be usable? | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | Those exist as well, in two forms (raw and something more compact), but they're not compatible with the python code I've used since 2008. We used to post these inline, e.g. http://techrights.org/2008/10/09/irc-log-08102008/ | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> [2] There are 4 channels, hence 4 files per day, extracted from the | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> larger (full) files. | Oct 02 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 8th, 2008 | Techrights | Oct 02 07:23 | |
| r_schestowitz | >> | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> [3] Using grep and similar I reckon I can make a daily job that gives me | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> 4 files for yesterday's full raw logs for the prior day. I can then | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> change my scripts to convert into html in an unsupervised fashion | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> (typically I prefer to run through the text manually to ensure nothing | Oct 02 07:23 |
| r_schestowitz | >> is missing; things can go wrong sometimes and can be amended). | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > Shell scripts or perl or python would probably work. Though perl would | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > be the most appropriate for managing text like that. | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I think the tricky part is edge cases I can think of. Which is why I always split the files (by date) manually while ensuring no gaps in logging. | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | Of course one option would be for you to park an IRC clients at the 4 channels, assuming the connection has no lapses (if it does, I can send you from my end and/or you can merge these) | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> [4] So let's say I get 4 HTML files, one for each channel. I can send | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> these across to you over E-mail each morning, you then open them using a | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> browser and check it all makes sense (maybe read these too if you like, | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> that has ALL my microblogging, replies, techrights chat), then upload to | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Techrights (WordPress), add the URLs into the template and publish. | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > A pull method would be better. I'm not keen on using mail as a | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > surrogate for proper file sharing even if we have been managing the | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > links that way. | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | You're right. I suppose I can just file-drop the html files on the server directly. Then all that's left is checking them and linking to them. | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | BTW, I've just make local backups | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | wordpressdatabase-20191001.dump.gz 100% 869MB 626.5KB/s 23:40 | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | tm-db-20191001.dump.gz 99% 316MB 638.8KB/s 08:26 | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | tm-db-20191002.dump.gz 2% 7360KB 600.6KB/s 08:53 ETA | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> [5] If that sounds OK, I can go with [3] above and see how challenging | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> that is (I reckon it's doable in less than an hour). | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > We can give it a try, but I'd like to see first if it all can be done | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > server side, so I don't become an additional bottleneck. | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | I wonder how WordPress will treat files uploaded to its directories from outside the CMS. TBH, we can always just set up a new global directory for all logs going forward. | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | Suppose I have a bunch of daily HTMLs and I toss them at the server; would you consider that something workable? | Oct 02 07:24 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Please IGNORE much of the above, I'll write in a separate message what | Oct 02 07:26 |
| r_schestowitz | >> can be done for daily publication. I need to think about it carefully. | Oct 02 07:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > Maybe logrotate(8) can be brought into the question. It can trigger | Oct 02 07:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > scripts when it works on a log. | Oct 02 07:26 |
| r_schestowitz | I think this can get tricky when there are reboots, but I see what you mean. Sample raw file attached. | Oct 02 07:26 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cryptoretreat/status/1179283177539592192 | Oct 02 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@cryptoretreat: /r/stallmanwasright: what stallman wants https://t.co/QOG2wAGu7t | Oct 02 07:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Guest Post: What Stallman Wants | Techrights | Oct 02 07:42 | |
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| r_schestowitz | v | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | Thinking aloud, taking crude notes: | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | * The file file is a subset of the whole. The log files DO NOT contain year, so we must always slide to ensure only more recent lines are included. e.g. past month. | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | * there are many caveats to the below. Given this log format, taking 'Aug 04' might catch the wrong things sometimes, but... | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | 1) it's not frequent | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | 2) if it happens, it's not the end of the world | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | See below. | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | * I checked to see that all lines ALWAYS have a date. All sorts of IRC events. When I merge log from elsewhere (due to disconnection) this can be an issue, but then we can handle the whole thing differently. | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | * I can write a simple bash script to make a file for each date, from August (last publication) to present, then make HTML from that, check file sizes for sanity. | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | * From present (ish) to future we do produce these daily, put them in bulk on the server. We can also write a script to make the BODY of the wordpress post, then dunk that in. We can write a script for post title, URL, then double-check before publishing if needed. Category selection would need to be done manually. | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | Thoughts? | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | Oct 02 08:43 | |
| r_schestowitz | roy@ted:~$ | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | roy@ted:~$ grep 'Aug 04' LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | Aug 04 03:02:59 <schestowitz> [21:36] <MrGreenFriend> hi, i'm helping MrGreen set up encryption to speak with you. | Oct 02 08:43 |
| r_schestowitz | Aug 04 03:03:01 <schestowitz> [21:38] <MrGreenFriend> do u use alternatives, besides PGP+email? | Oct 02 08:44 |
| r_schestowitz | Aug 04 03:03:02 <schestowitz> [21:39] <MrGreenFriend> for example: https://jami.net (previously named https://ring.cx | Oct 02 08:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-jami.net | Jami | Oct 02 08:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | Aug 04 03:03:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- jami.net | Jami | Oct 02 08:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-jami.net | Jami | Oct 02 08:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | Aug 04 03:03:04 <schestowitz> [21:44] <MrGreenFriend> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jami_(software) | Oct 02 08:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Jami (software) - Wikipedia | Oct 02 08:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | Aug 04 03:03:04 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- jami.net | Jami | Oct 02 08:44 |
| r_schestowitz | Aug 04 03:03:05 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- en.wikipedia.org | Jami (software) - Wikipedia | Oct 02 08:44 |
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| r_schestowitz | Aug 04 04:21:11 --> schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell | Oct 02 08:44 |
| r_schestowitz | >> | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Thoughts? | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | > I'd break the file up manually and separate them by year that way, using | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | > the file name to store at least the year. Otherwise, the script would | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | > have to track the month found in each line and notice when there is a | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | > difference. grepping for 'aug' for example would not be adequate to | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | > prevent running two years together. | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | > Would the file found on TR at /root/phirce-techrights/logs/log.log be a | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | > good model to test code on? I can try an AWK or Perl script. | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | No, the ones on the server are not of a compatible format. | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | I basically tail the logs to separate out more recent logs from old. I'll have a go now that I'm done with work (since 1am!!!) and post your links to keep 'busy'... | Oct 02 09:05 |
| r_schestowitz | I won't open thunderbird again until 1am tomorrow. | Oct 02 09:06 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jamesabernard/status/1179376264202858496 | Oct 02 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jamesabernard: @schestowitz I'd suggest replacing with SSD, they're very affordable now. | Oct 02 14:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | it's a very old laptop, might not be worth refurbishing | Oct 02 14:35 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Bizitzarenjokoa/status/1179365814610403329 | Oct 02 14:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Bizitzarenjokoa: @schestowitz Gnome was a mistake, too, giving who is in control now (more corpos). GNUstep was the sanest option ag… https://t.co/KpGA3ylSNQ | Oct 02 14:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Bizitzarenjokoa: @schestowitz Gnome was a mistake, too, giving who is in control now (more corpos). GNUstep was the sanest option ag… https://t.co/KpGA3ylSNQ | Oct 02 14:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Gnome was a mistake, too, giving who is in control now (more corpos). GNUstep was the sanest option against a #microsoft tech clone. Binary configs. Shitty NT service manager clone AKA systemd, NT like designs everywhere such as a crappy forced IPC a la CORBA (dbus)... GNU->GNT." | Oct 02 14:37 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Bizitzarenjokoa/status/1179366143477334019 | Oct 02 14:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Bizitzarenjokoa: @schestowitz I hope #hyperbola takes as much design as possible from @openbsd, as they got a @xenocara port running… https://t.co/0IHAc46ogl | Oct 02 14:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Bizitzarenjokoa: @schestowitz I hope #hyperbola takes as much design as possible from @openbsd, as they got a @xenocara port running… https://t.co/0IHAc46ogl | Oct 02 14:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 14:37 |
| r_schestowitz | I hope #hyperbola takes as much design as possible from | Oct 02 14:37 |
| r_schestowitz | @openbsd | Oct 02 14:37 |
| r_schestowitz | , as they got a @xenocara port running. Mapping pledge(4) to seccomp would be a huge task, but it will benefit both in a way on correctness. | Oct 02 14:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 14:37 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KristianHarstad/status/1179348480340512768 | Oct 02 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@KristianHarstad: @schestowitz Literally nobody thinks that. No surprise that you're against impeachment, you Russian tool wannabe | Oct 02 14:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/crossedroo/status/1179332050983297027 | Oct 02 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@crossedroo: @schestowitz "Historically and legally, the definition of “mother” was always the birthmother. " And that will stay… https://t.co/fOnY1CrTpL | Oct 02 14:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@crossedroo: @schestowitz "Historically and legally, the definition of “mother” was always the birthmother. " And that will stay… https://t.co/fOnY1CrTpL | Oct 02 14:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 14:38 |
| r_schestowitz | "Historically and legally, the definition of “mother” was always the birthmother. " | Oct 02 14:38 |
| r_schestowitz | And that will stay after this madness passes | Oct 02 14:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 14:38 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/elevendayslater/status/1179243472223657984 | Oct 02 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@elevendayslater: @schestowitz Duh, but that doesn't justify "Instead, the mainstream media peddles climate change narrative, and whi… https://t.co/xBZbBJWf3r | Oct 02 14:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@elevendayslater: @schestowitz Duh, but that doesn't justify "Instead, the mainstream media peddles climate change narrative, and whi… https://t.co/xBZbBJWf3r | Oct 02 14:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 14:39 |
| r_schestowitz | Duh, but that doesn't justify "Instead, the mainstream media peddles climate change narrative, and whips up children into frenzy." | Oct 02 14:39 |
| r_schestowitz | That's actually pointless, and harmful to the children today. | Oct 02 14:39 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 02 14:39 |
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