IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, December 04, 2021

*Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social

*Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021

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Dec 04 08:15

schestowitz

worth writing a parser for gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/index.gmi to make is more "proper" gemtext. do you already write something to that effect that I can reuse?

Dec 04 08:33

Techrights-sec

Which file would be the source?

Dec 04 08:55

Techrights-sec

It's easy enough to write but the question is where it fits in the work lfow

Dec 04 08:55

schestowitz-TR

every 10 mins the raspi pulls it from TR server, using the ddos protection/alert program

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Dec 04 09:11

Techrights-sec

which script, it would be most efficient to add the conversion to the

Techrights-sec

script or have it call a second script. that would reduce or eliminate

Techrights-sec

any gaps in time where the gemini file is missing

Techrights-sec

or not updated

schestowitz-TR

/root/bin/log-tail.sh makes the text version on TR

Dec 04 09:16

schestowitz

show-new-visitors-count.sh

Dec 04 09:18

Techrights-sec

which pulls it to the RPi?

Techrights-sec

thanks

Techrights-sec

btw what is the official styling of the Techrights IRC network?

Techrights-sec

the mentions of Freenode need to be chaned

Techrights-sec

changed

schestowitz-TR

is freenode still mentioned anywhere?

Dec 04 09:20

Techrights-sec

$ grep -liR freenod ./*| wc -l

Techrights-sec

Techrights-sec

Yep. Many times in multiple files.

schestowitz-TR

which machine/dir is that in?

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Dec 04 09:31

Techrights-sec

Git

Dec 04 09:48

schestowitz-TR

i see

schestowitz-TR

most are legacy dir name

schestowitz-TR

for gemini it needs updating

Techrights-sec

yes

schestowitz-TR

pushed changes, deploying now

Dec 04 09:55

Techrights-sec

looking at show-new-visitors-count.sh atm

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Techrights-sec

ack

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Techrights-sec

neither awk nor perl like the non-ASCII graphics in http://techrights.org/irc/

Techrights-sec

which script creates that file?

Techrights-sec

the file in question is on TR as /home/boycottn/public_html/irc/log

Techrights-sec

Techrights-sec

./bin/log-tail.sh

schestowitz-TR

if there is a chat compatibility issue, maybe we can leave that aside

schestowitz-TR

maybe not worth the trouble

schestowitz-TR

BT managed to break out home network again with a remote update

Techrights-sec

Can the home router be moved to OpenWRT?

Techrights-sec

# \N{U+2502}

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# \N{U+250C}

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# \N{U+2500}

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# \N{U+3016}

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# \N{U+3017}

schestowitz-TR

it would hamper my ability to get support from them, and thus far I've not had any considerable downtime. When I do have more severe issues, I'll definitely consider consider reflashing one of the older routers

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http://techrights.org/irc/log.gmi

Techrights-sec

Dec 04 14:17

Techrights-sec

should the handles remain right-justified?

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Techrights-sec

gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/

Dec 04 14:17

Techrights-sec

the times accidentally got indented but maybe that's ok

Dec 04 14:22

schestowitz-TR

that looks great

Dec 04 14:22

schestowitz-TR

sorry, was distracted

schestowitz-TR

this morning bt f*ed up my network

schestowitz-TR

and now a laptop ran out of battery because of bad wire, I forgot how to restart some stuff n it

Techrights-sec

Techrights-sec

schestowitz-TR

at least it happened on a weekend.

schestowitz-TR

so now we have a gemini version and non-gemini version, which i suppose helps as the capsule gets accessed more and ultimately we want to spread gmi over gemini:// (there are stats related to this in lups)

Dec 04 14:24

schestowitz-TR

*lupa

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Techrights-sec

Yes, The ./log-tail.sh script generates both

Dec 04 14:26

Techrights-sec

tidying up redundant files outside of the core direcotries now

Dec 04 14:26

Techrights-sec

should the http links be hot too?

Dec 04 14:26

schestowitz-TR

might as well, I suppose that the page for IRC in http links to the correct gemini:// page already

Dec 04 14:27

schestowitz-TR

let me add a proxy iframe

Dec 04 14:27

Techrights-sec

* and https

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schestowitz

just added a portal/gateway to http://techrights.org/irc-channel/

Dec 04 14:33

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC Channels | Techrights

Dec 04 14:33

Techrights-sec

excellent

Dec 04 14:34

schestowitz-TR

the n idea is to get more people less afraid of gemini and willing to look into it

Dec 04 14:35

schestowitz-TR

tossing text files at it, I think, is a first step, gemtext is really what gives people a better impression with bookmarks and all

Dec 04 14:35

psydruid

is anything known about a strategy to undermine the uptake of Gemini?

Dec 04 14:36

schestowitz

I wrote about it

Dec 04 14:36

psydruid

I know some shill was saying to me that the "internet isn't free" and "people should be expected to pay"

Dec 04 14:37

schestowitz

but I cannot find what I wrote

Dec 04 14:38

schestowitz

did many searches, cannot find it, just know it's there somewhere

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Techrights-sec

yes

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Techrights-sec

gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/

Dec 04 14:49

Techrights-sec

ok?

Dec 04 14:49

schestowitz-TR

excellent! this is the kind of stuff we can do also in irc logs that are daily to make them more useful than text and almost on par with html. btw, worth adding tail-log.sh to git, assume we'll need change control?

Dec 04 14:51

schestowitz-TR

I think you only appended lines to what was there before

Dec 04 14:51

Techrights-sec

yes, just appended a line, after splitting a few long lines for readability

Dec 04 14:53

Techrights-sec

probably set -e could be used instead of so many &&

Dec 04 14:53

schestowitz-TR

yes, but let's put in version control first in case rollback is needed for testing process

Dec 04 14:53

schestowitz-TR

that can make it run more efficiently. it was very quick and dirty before, oned to be one line, in-line, in crontab

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Techrights-sec

should log-tail.sh be renames irc-log-tail.sh, or is it fine as-is?

Dec 04 15:01

schestowitz-TR

might as well rename and add comments to it, if it is to be added to git. Then, the crontab for root needs changing to use the new name

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Techrights-sec

back in a while

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Techrights-sec

ok pushed to Git

Techrights-sec

an updated cron

schestowitz-TR

excellent, thank you

schestowitz-TR

I've just added a spam site. had 3 incidents today (THREE) to keep me down and slow things down, glad you had a more productive day

Techrights-sec

Techrights-sec

be sure to push the changes to Git, the spam filter helps a lot since

Techrights-sec

there are too many junk sites to keep track of mentally

Techrights-sec

let the computer do the work

schestowitz-TR

to be fair, all those incidents were outside my control, I can only prepare for them better and try to prevent them. in xfce4 I set alerts for low batt. it was up for almost a year non-step.

Dec 04 16:08

schestowitz-TR

non-top

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schestowitz-TR

non-stop

Dec 04 16:08

Techrights-sec

batteries can drop off quickly especially in hot weather; I've had two die

Dec 04 16:09

Techrights-sec

during the heat of two summers.

Dec 04 16:09

schestowitz-TR

in this case the cord/wire/connecting part was at fault, as it's not so reliable when moved

Dec 04 16:09

Techrights-sec

I had one that became so worn out that it could only be lifted in a certain

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Techrights-sec

way without powering off

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schestowitz-TR

I think it came off a bit when I hit it with a chair, now I check battery status more closely. It took a lot of time to restore all the processes.

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schestowitz-TR

epo parts 31-38 to come soon

schestowitz-TR

i need to keep healthy and all

schestowitz-TR

will do videos for these

schestowitz-TR

re github, there are things I was asked not to say just yet

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Dec 04 16:36

schestowitz-TR

I worry more about emotional/mental exhaustion, not physical, but for now all is well, with the minor distraction here and there. I'm not managing to post many articles lately, but will catch up. the rss feeds I look at have decreasing s/n ratio but dropping a lot would harm TM posts and TR Daily Links

Dec 04 16:38

schestowitz-TR

I suppose next year will be worse

Dec 04 16:38

schestowitz-TR

but the value of links will increase as a higher proportion of the www is just spamfarm and people need a cleaner set of links

Dec 04 16:38

schestowitz-TR

today started with 3-hour downtime for gemini, due to BT, which leads to fatigue and lack of focus, like trying to do something useful after driving to work and back, 9-5

Dec 04 16:40

Techrights-sec

yes commutes are couner productivce not just during the time of the commute

Techrights-sec

itself but also because of a substantial recovery period at either end

Techrights-sec

even about 20 - 30 minutes of exercise is not quite enough at each end point

schestowitz-TR

what better way to start coding after honking and dodging crazy drivers for 30 minutes...?

Techrights-sec

worse, sitting stock still in the commute makes the brain sluggish too

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Techrights-sec

by the time you actually get to work, you are badly in need of movement

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Techrights-sec

even to be able to think

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Techrights-sec

In the US most commutes are far longer than 30 minutes in a car

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/one-way-travel-time-to-work-rises.html

Techrights-sec

Techrights-sec

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.census.gov | Census Bureau Estimates Show Average One-Way Travel Time to Work Rises

schestowitz-TR

and to get the "big salaries" you must live in super-expensive and congested areas

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Techrights-sec

"you aren't in a traffic jam, you are the traffic jam"

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