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| Techrights-sec | There are over a hundred distros based directly on Debian: | May 05 01:20 |
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| Techrights-sec | https://distrowatch.com/search.php?basedon=Debian | May 05 01:20 |
| Techrights-sec | Then if you count the distros based on those, there are hundreds more. | May 05 01:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | May 05 01:21 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I put that in TM because it's important to give visibility to critics too | May 05 01:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | we're not a cult like ICBM or Microsoft | May 05 01:26 |
| Techrights-sec | Debian's central position in the ecology (so to speak) makes it a very valuable | May 05 01:28 |
| Techrights-sec | target; As it gets taken over, more unscrupulous individuals get involved | May 05 01:28 |
| Techrights-sec | and fewer technically skilled; It becomes about exploitation, technical at | May 05 01:28 |
| Techrights-sec | first ... | May 05 01:28 |
| Techrights-sec | IMHO that is one of the reasons IBM targeted it for systemd. The derivatives | May 05 01:28 |
| Techrights-sec | then fell like dominos. Some skullduggery went on with the vote, if you reall, | May 05 01:28 |
| Techrights-sec | as systemd wasn't even in the TC's top three choices yet 1) it was chosen by | May 05 01:28 |
| Techrights-sec | one person and 2) everyone both in and out of the technical committee, | May 05 01:28 |
| Techrights-sec | with few exceptions, drove it home, 3) those few exceptions objecting to | May 05 01:28 |
| Techrights-sec | the flawed process or the flawed product were hounded out of the project and | May 05 01:28 |
| Techrights-sec | the community. | May 05 01:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | need sleep, voting tomorrow around 9am | May 05 01:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | bb in a few hours | May 05 01:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | doing a full (first) backup of 'bubi', the new PC with OSB on it | May 05 01:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | the critical data and files is safe through redundancy | May 05 01:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | I trust magnetic more than SD and SSD | May 05 01:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | speeds don't matter if the life is short | May 05 01:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is very time-consuming having to move all the data from one machine to another | May 05 01:42 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 01:43 |
| Techrights-sec | yes magnetic is better in many regards, just monitor the output from | May 05 01:43 |
| Techrights-sec | smartmonctl occasionally | May 05 01:43 |
| Techrights-sec | slow especially if the network is not 1Gb/s or faster. | May 05 01:43 |
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| schestowitz-TR | Wow! Campinos with his tamtrum has scored a massive own goal | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | It not only hurts him and the Office but also UPC | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | The EFF has said nothing for a week | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | but not they give assurances and try to keep it "internal" | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | (yes, of course there will be leaks, there's no "internal" for EPO anymore) | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | great stuff! | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | I said EFF, I meant EPO | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | this freudian slip says something about EFF | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | EFF has blasted reporters like Assange, in a sense, after Barlow (Assange friend) was gone | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | although not directly | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | then there was thr RMS stance and boosting of Microsoft + proxies | May 05 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | EFF is another Mozilla | May 05 08:39 |
| Techrights-sec | Finally! | May 05 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec | Remember that in politics on of the tactics is to get the opponent to lose his | May 05 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec | cool. | May 05 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec | The EFF has been a cascade of disappointments since Barlow's passing. | May 05 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec | Ah. Makes more sense now, but still the EFF has been a cascade of disappointments since Barlow's passing. | May 05 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec | Skimming corporate money while swaning around doing the opposite of their | May 05 08:45 |
| Techrights-sec | charter? | May 05 08:45 |
| Techrights-sec | ^swanning | May 05 08:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | It's a short-term, short-sighted "business" model | May 05 08:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | you get money from the defection from A to B | May 05 08:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | A stops paying | May 05 08:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | B pays for thedefection to influence A | May 05 08:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | A goes away | May 05 08:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | B stops paying because A cannot be infleunced anymore | May 05 08:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | the real way to go about is, keep A happy | May 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | That was was you org was for all along | May 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | (ex. OSI) | May 05 08:51 |
| Techrights-sec | That's the superficial business model. What the sponsors are really paying for | May 05 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec | is for the institution to alienate its userbase, betray its raison d'être, | May 05 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec | and burn bridges with its former community. Once the situation is irrevocable | May 05 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec | they will have gotten their money's worth and can withdraw support and | May 05 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec | let the institution die. The stenographers will then dutiifully report | May 05 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec | that there is not public support for the institution and therefore it has | May 05 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec | declined, fully deflecting from the subversion. | May 05 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> EFF covers abortion. I remember when EFF was something rather different... ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/digital-security-and-privacy-tips-those-involved-abortion-access | Source: EFF | May 05 09:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Digital Security and Privacy Tips for Those Involved in Abortion Access | Electronic Frontier Foundation | May 05 09:20 | |
| schestowitz-TR | going to vote in a moment (pen and paper) | May 05 09:20 |
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| schestowitz-TR | back but afk | May 05 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | i was wrongg | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | cheap roast 227g is 1.09 | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | good ones | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1.49 | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | soy 1 lit. 55p | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | cheaper than i remembered | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | got loads of these | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | for months | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | cooking oil limited to 3 bottles now | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | need to ask staff | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbl | May 05 11:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | properly back niw | May 05 11:43 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 11:43 |
| Techrights-sec | nice | May 05 11:43 |
| Techrights-sec | o/ | May 05 11:43 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 11:43 |
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| schestowitz-TR | you did not click the billbc link | May 05 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did, saw jkust the summary | May 05 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | I put my comments in IRC -social | May 05 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | BBC will die in a prison | May 05 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's like Mozilla and EFF | May 05 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | they will fall on their sowrd | May 05 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | savile didn't kill them | May 05 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | this might | May 05 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe it'll even become cautionary tale | May 05 12:41 |
| Techrights-sec | which is sad becaue decades ago it was a rather good service | May 05 12:41 |
| Techrights-sec | at least three decades ago ... | May 05 12:41 |
| Techrights-sec | not two or less ... | May 05 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | I listened as a kid | May 05 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was OK | May 05 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | nowhere near this cesspool | May 05 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | gossip, COVID misinformation, whitewashing perverts | May 05 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is the "exist strategy" = sel out | May 05 12:43 |
| Techrights-sec | Around 2 decades ago BBC World was utter crap already | May 05 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | I thought doing some response or meme, or... | May 05 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | but anything of this kind would give attention to something | May 05 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will just put it deeper in the ashtray | May 05 12:44 |
| Techrights-sec | some short response for Gemini | May 05 12:46 |
| Techrights-sec | it' already chock full of microsofters, so the writing has been on the wall | May 05 12:46 |
| Techrights-sec | and given the trajectory it is on, the demise is unavoidable without culling | May 05 12:46 |
| Techrights-sec | management -- i.e. inevitable and just a question of when not if | May 05 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | they have not been keeping up with the times. I think you saw digi-vegan's comment | May 05 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | he used to work there | May 05 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | if they mentioned the savile thing (before it was widely known), they'd risk | May 05 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | getting sacked | May 05 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe I should refer to the whole BBC as | May 05 12:48 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | May 05 12:48 |
| Techrights-sec | gates, savile | May 05 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | The Bill & Savile Broadcasting Corp. | May 05 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | people would get the references, I think | May 05 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | the key point is, remind people what bbc did for savile | May 05 12:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and that it takes bribes from gates | May 05 12:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and has learned no lessons sense | May 05 12:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | *since | May 05 12:49 |
| Techrights-sec | yes it seems very much so | May 05 12:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/04/strength-in-numbers | Source: | May 05 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-meduza.io | NO TITLE | May 05 12:53 | |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 13:02 |
| Techrights-sec | May 05 13:02 | |
| schestowitz-TR | my thinking here is, | May 05 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | get upset less | May 05 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | do more | May 05 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | make them pay for it | May 05 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can make them pay for it a little at the time, over the next 5 years | May 05 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | it adds up | May 05 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah already gets very upset in IRC (at BBC) | May 05 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe the anger will come out at gates | May 05 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | not RMS | May 05 13:04 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 13:04 |
| Techrights-sec | good approach | May 05 13:04 |
| Techrights-sec | keep working away at it | May 05 13:04 |
| Techrights-sec | leah does very good work and at very important tasks, from what I read | May 05 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I regard a lot of the anti, then pro, than anti-RMS period (all of tyhem AFTER 2014, mind you!) | May 05 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | to be attention-seeking, based on her own words, too | May 05 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | basically using the high-profile name to publicise oneself | May 05 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | the media has this tactic and people who exploit the media too | May 05 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | even slapping someone at the oscars can make an old "star" | May 05 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | that nobody has given a shit about for over 10 years suddently | May 05 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | the most spoken about person, for at least a week | May 05 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | without having broken any law | May 05 13:07 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | the slap was assault but my cynical idea is that it was mostly a publicity stunt | May 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | there have been no actual repercussions | May 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | not that charges would have been anything more than an inconvenience to someone | May 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | as wealthy as he appears to be | May 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | anyway, I think that there is growing acknowledgement that RMS was thrown under | May 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | the bus, but not publicly nor is there awareness about why -- both the coup | May 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | to take over FOSS and the protection of Bill | May 05 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was not just harmful to Rock but to the image of black people | May 05 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | the White Supremacists benefited a lot | May 05 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | like "see, they don't belong in this class..." | May 05 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | the coup and the distraction are not over | May 05 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are still work in progress 3 years on | May 05 13:12 |
| Techrights-sec | :( | May 05 13:13 |
| Techrights-sec | There were some fediverse posts about HN takeovers too | May 05 13:13 |
| Techrights-sec | but social control media in any form is just hearsay | May 05 13:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | HN is already taken over by bad actor s(y combinator) | May 05 13:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | and is rather useless | May 05 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't know why anyone would wish get news through that site | May 05 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec | I don't. However, I did see one of the former principals' posts complaining | May 05 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec | about it but even he did not see what kind of takeover it was and was still | May 05 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec | taking it personally | May 05 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec | He was naively, like I often do myself, considering things to be technical | May 05 13:16 |
| Techrights-sec | rather than the ICt being a menas of power and political control | May 05 13:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | we still talk about HN, right? | May 05 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | (me puts some roast on; bought 7 packs today, different varities/blends) | May 05 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | to be clearm, HN does bring a lot of traffic | May 05 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | potenbtially a million hits in a day | May 05 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | a lot more than any other site, inc. slashdot, where # of comments can mislead somewhat | May 05 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | May 05 13:22 |
| Techrights-sec | I don't read HN since it is a garbage site with enforced anti-FOSS bias and | May 05 13:22 |
| Techrights-sec | filters | May 05 13:22 |
| Techrights-sec | Oh, it is widely read by others, to be sure, but that does not mean it is | May 05 13:22 |
| Techrights-sec | a clean site nor unproblematic | May 05 13:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'll say something foolish on the surface | May 05 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is unwanted or impure traffic | May 05 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | traffic for the sake of traffic is a bad measure | May 05 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is wanted attention | May 05 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | and unwanted (Smityh, Reiser... not the same thing, I know) | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | Twitter did bring some unwanted attention | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wrote about it 2 years ago in relation to cancel culture | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can gang up on people (lawn too for that matter) to stigmatise them | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | with labels and all | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't want to name examples, but we both know of some | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | once you get labeled, behind your back or without your oinvolvement (being ON the platform can worsen things) | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's hard to shake it off | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you are not in the platform, it's in absentia | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you're on there, you can be tagged and then expected to reply | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | and a lack of reply too is a reply | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | the original UPC complainanty kept his distance | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | no public speaking, just his personal site, PDF form publications, | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | and submissions to courts | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | but occasionally speaking behind the scenes to journalists | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | when confronting rogue people in LARGE NUMBER with CURATED platform you cannot win | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's designed from the onset like that | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you are doomed to "lose" | May 05 13:28 |
| Techrights-sec | yes brigading as it is called is part of the cultre there and in social control | May 05 13:28 |
| Techrights-sec | media in general | May 05 13:28 |
| Techrights-sec | https://youtu.be/zrzMhU_4m-g | May 05 13:28 |
| Techrights-sec | curation is a euphemism for maniupulation most of the time | May 05 13:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g | May 05 13:28 | |
| Techrights-sec | by filtering timelines it ensured that only the approved viewpoits are | May 05 13:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> inv.riverside.rocks | She's a witch! - Invidious | May 05 13:28 | |
| Techrights-sec | avilable and it gives a false impression of sentiments being other than they | May 05 13:28 |
| Techrights-sec | are | May 05 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is also digital 'doping' | May 05 13:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | where you do things to drive up numbers | May 05 13:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the short term | May 05 13:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | at high personal expense | May 05 13:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | like publishing untrue things | May 05 13:30 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | May 05 13:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | right now billbc is doping | May 05 13:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | right now leah is doiping, for the third time around | May 05 13:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | lunduke is a serial doper | May 05 13:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | like saying he'd quit twitter so many times | May 05 13:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | (he's probably still there) | May 05 13:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | last night I told rianne as I was scrolling down phoronix | May 05 13:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | that number of comments had declined a lot | May 05 13:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's the only way for me to estimate traffic | May 05 13:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | months ago he started to included a picture in every post | May 05 13:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | as if to price up the site and retain the readers | May 05 13:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | just by means as superficials as these | May 05 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | linutoday also experimented with images a few times | May 05 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | today (see IRC logs) someone asked me to make a copy of the image | May 05 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | in TM | May 05 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | instead of HotLinking | May 05 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | not sure if it made it before the midnight cutoff | May 05 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | with TM it's fast because we don't copy files | May 05 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | after a few days few will still access these pages anyway | May 05 13:38 |
| Techrights-sec | pictures waste bandwidth and add nothing unless the contain supplementary | May 05 13:38 |
| Techrights-sec | information and even then they need to be described directly or indirectly | May 05 13:38 |
| Techrights-sec | in the text, not just ALT attributes | May 05 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will record re epo when I'm done doing the daily links | May 05 13:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | i think that team upc anmd others are going to get in a lot of trouble | May 05 13:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | but they do so mostly at the expense of the eu | May 05 13:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | so they take down with them something bigger | May 05 13:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is unfair | May 05 13:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | abortion is like 30% of all US news now | May 05 13:40 |
| Techrights-sec | Hotlining is *always* a bad idea | May 05 13:42 |
| Techrights-sec | ^hotlinking | May 05 13:42 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, thanks to the committee that brought in reagan | May 05 13:42 |
| Techrights-sec | they distract from other health care issues to prevent any meaningful discussion | May 05 13:42 |
| Techrights-sec | of the big picture | May 05 13:42 |
| Techrights-sec | the reagan committee also paid kidnappers to hold hostages longer than necessary | May 05 13:42 |
| Techrights-sec | committee is not quite the right word | May 05 13:42 |
| Techrights-sec | not scotus but reagan | May 05 13:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | covid and ukraine wars are over | May 05 13:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks scotus | May 05 13:42 |
| Techrights-sec | `https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18295513/abortion-2020-roe-joe-biden-democrats-republicans | May 05 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Abortion in America: how it became a partisan issue - Vox | May 05 13:43 | |
| Techrights-sec | https://text.npr.org/1096719971 | May 05 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | Abortion wasn't always the politically charged issue it is today | May 05 13:44 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | some trans person knocks on door | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | "csn I speak to roy?" | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm here in the dining room | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | obviously it's someone visiting about the election | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | "I already voted" | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne: he wants to know how you voted | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | me: I keep it personal | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | (I didn't know it was trans until he left and rianne told me) | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | so for weeks we get tons of junk mail | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | for campaigns | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now they come knocking like dehovah witnesses | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe even worse than last year | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | I didn't see the face of anything, but as soon as the knocking started I guessed it | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | was election-related nag | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think asking me how I voted is too nosy | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | even if it was "exit poll" | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | plus: we still have a virus passing through millions, I want to minimise exposure to people | May 05 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | for the time being | May 05 14:15 |
| Techrights-sec | definitely | May 05 14:16 |
| Techrights-sec | and who knows where they are really from | May 05 14:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne and I talk about it at the moment | May 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | she mentions how some are paid by parties to survey people | May 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | I joke "it could be a spy even... LOL" | May 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | ransom person passing by asking to speak to me and, failign that, asking how I vote" | May 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | ' | May 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | with my first name on paper | May 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't know election rules, but in recent years even the junk mail was very undesirable | May 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | never mind dooor visits | May 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | those can wake a person up | May 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | or be a false alarm | May 05 14:19 |
| Techrights-sec | one can work days and hardly ever get an interruption at the door, but working | May 05 14:20 |
| Techrights-sec | nights it can often seem like there is a queue in the hallway waiting to | May 05 14:20 |
| Techrights-sec | bother the doorbell or knock | May 05 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne works weekeend basically, I do nights | May 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | next week we'll do the "meeting" (Meet) | May 05 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | Gulag I assume | May 05 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | See what they have to offer and decide | May 05 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | We already discuss other things we can do, since last week in fact | May 05 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | TM and TR are run very efficiently, I could spare some time to earn the basics | May 05 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | next thurs. on Gulag meet (yes, proprietary; I might even point that out on the call!) | May 05 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | we'll see what's on offer and decide whether to take or or leave it... or outright leave | May 05 14:48 |
| Techrights-sec | I hope the meeting goes well. BigBlueButton would be another option, it | May 05 14:48 |
| Techrights-sec | is better than googemeet and zoom. Maybe it is easy to host on a RPI these | May 05 14:48 |
| Techrights-sec | days. | May 05 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | the probability of leaving is high because even a week ago we spoke about quitting | May 05 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | before even knowing of any plans, that was just a coincidence | May 05 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | because rianne was very unhappy about the embrace of Gulag Voice | May 05 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | which mostly causes stress as it's not reliable liker Asterisk | May 05 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | and we're not properly listened to, the decisions are not being made | May 05 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | transparently | May 05 14:54 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 14:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | sorry for the ramble etc. I probably won't make the final decision on the spot. 3 people | May 05 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | whom I spoke to all same more or less the same, but if I cannot keep this very easy job | May 05 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | or keep this job very simple, it's time to move | May 05 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | Outsourcing is part of the ongoing journey towards misery or the 'EFF effect' | May 05 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | so rianne and I knew it would not last forever, even just days before it finally | May 05 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | materialised, I believe for totally unrelated reasons | May 05 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | one element here is also pride and principle; some of these clients I outright refuse to work for | May 05 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | (like passing to a colleague) and it compromises my belief | May 05 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | like RMS asking people to do things for him | May 05 14:59 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | May 05 14:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | (of note: it's one of the reasons if not THE reason LXO quit ICBM... I think he didn't like them | May 05 15:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | imposing clown things on Red Hat staff) | May 05 15:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | /me mentally drafts a post like "Leaving My Job to Do Techrighs Full Time" and explaining | May 05 15:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | the rationale and ramifications | May 05 15:02 |
| Techrights-sec | again I would suggest setting up a tip jar of sorts at patreon or strip or both | May 05 15:09 |
| Techrights-sec | ^stripe | May 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | to be clear, I can point out that all the site's producitity was done for 10 years ith 36-hour-per-week job | May 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | on the side | May 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | but if I take money from readers there might be expectations and demand | May 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | like iam dawe in GoL and Larabel at Phoronix | May 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | that pressure if not healthy, rianne often jokes about Larabel having to write to please | May 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | the sponsors | May 05 15:09 |
| Techrights-sec | yes he does, but a tip jar is less pressure and none if one is up front | May 05 15:10 |
| Techrights-sec | about goals (or am I too naive in that regard?) | May 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can certainly give that a go, but no sooner than 7 days from now when I figure out the situation | May 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | and 'translate' the "BS talk" (they're rarely honest with us, one need to read between the lines) | May 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am guesing they wish to keep us with another set of tasks. I.e. much higher output. We've long | May 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | been stagnant in NOC, which was good for us... but the outsourcing was mostly a desperate | May 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | measure to cut costs | May 05 15:12 |
| Techrights-sec | https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/2.3/install.html | May 05 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-docs.bigbluebutton.org | BigBlueButton : Install | May 05 15:12 | |
| Techrights-sec | BBB is Docker :( :( :( | May 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | Docker means "too compplicated to install, we could not bother to make it easier" | May 05 15:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | Ubuntu means "can't install Debian" (true if you have nasty firmware, IME) | May 05 15:13 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 15:14 |
| Techrights-sec | yep and full of cruft at that | May 05 15:14 |
| Techrights-sec | it means they could not bother even a little | May 05 15:14 |
| Techrights-sec | it's basically proprietary software; I had mistaken it for FOSS | May 05 15:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | funny story and relevant | May 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | last year or in 2020 the company asked us to study docker and kubernetes | May 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | and sent us links, courses etc. | May 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne even installed the darn thing on her laptop, with 4gb of ram, to tinker | May 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | I cautioned her against it | May 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | later she would also add flatpak and snap | May 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | which are persistent as services | May 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | but never mind that | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | the point is, we reckon the company false claimed to possible clients that we had | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | the skills ane xperience | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and post-hoc asdked us to study that (they did the same with ansible and kafka) | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did install kafka on my laptop at one point | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | IIRC, kafma started in LinkedIn (before Microsoft) and is now apache | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyhow, I do know a bit of docker | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not impressive, it just assumes infinite resources and while prmising to lower | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | complexity it makes things less elegant | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | throwing cruft and redundancy at things to compensate for bad design | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | flatpak leads to many of the same things being on the same system | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | even multiple version of the same thing | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | debian was (originally) about shared libraries ands meapackages sorting out the made of deps | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | appimages, docker, and sll the rest are a departure from ths appaorahc | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | out of laziness | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | like the "apps" "ecosystem" | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | but nowadays it's noy CS lecturers dictating trends | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | but "economists"a and marketing people, who ship as soon as something "runs" | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | never mind if it has 64k ports open | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and if it barely works | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's economics to them, not science | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | the EPO syndrome :- | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | "if it makes more moneyh,, DO IT!" | May 05 15:20 |
| Techrights-sec | Jitsi-Meet seems to fare better: https://download.jitsi.org/stable/ | May 05 15:20 |
| Techrights-sec | but it seems x86-only | May 05 15:20 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-download.jitsi.org | Index of /stable/ | May 05 15:20 | |
| Techrights-sec | yes | May 05 15:20 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, that schools have become followers and not leaders basically means | May 05 15:20 |
| Techrights-sec | that society has ended up chasing its own tail in every tightening circles | May 05 15:20 |
| Techrights-sec | with no progress forward; a death spiral of extraction as the schools are mined | May 05 15:20 |
| Techrights-sec | if it makes more money -- this quarter -- do it!""" | May 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | far-fetched analogy | May 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | but this is why COVID-19 is so widepsread and normalised | May 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | wars all the time(now ukraine, still a total mayhem) | May 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | and poor health [sic] care [sic] not just in the US | May 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the media is all about abortion rights at the moment | May 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | (it's a big problem, but they turned it into POLITICS!!!) | May 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not a political issue | May 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's "cheaper" to let old people die and younger ones to be crippled | May 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | than to accept lockdowns are better, NZ did that | May 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | we're an island like NZ | May 05 15:23 |
| Techrights-sec | yes red herrings work to draw people away from matters of substance | May 05 15:24 |
| Techrights-sec | or more accurately away from the /real/ core issues | May 05 15:24 |
| Techrights-sec | Everything is being politicized these days | May 05 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | of note: seveal times when I was 38 or 29 I thought of | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | or 29 | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | *or 39 | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I thought I should consider taking a break from work at 40 | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've worked since around 14 | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have some latex memoes where I had the listing of jobs, dates | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have many of these rough 'memoirs' | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | as memories fade and in one old job a had lots of time at "the office" | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | withoiut much to do | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I was typing a lot in LyX and sometimes directly in raw latex | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | later years also in palm pda with keyboard | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the idea of working from 14 until 67 does not appeal to me | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | nobody can even gurantee one can live till that age, either | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the economy is ina bad state | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and to me that is not an argument for working more or harder | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | rather than taking a pause, applicable since cira 2008 | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | |*crica | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | *circa | May 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | *life is too shortr to proofread unless it's for a large audicnece ;-) | May 05 15:33 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 15:38 |
| Techrights-sec | quiterss is useful but very slow and CPU intensive, it sometimes hangs too | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | /me looks at quiterss, not much of substance there | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne finioshed her pass, she did not find much either | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | with less mind pollution from work I could think more clearly of topics to cover | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | and work out of the way means more time flexibility | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | quite rss is still a lot better than thunderbird after mozilla killed off lots of extensions | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | including thunderbrowse, which I had used for years | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | thunderbird only got worse for me, but for email the alternatives are abandoned | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | as if the concept of making a decent mail client is like building a BBS client | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | or USENET client... even IRC clients are still being developed | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the challenge associated with them is of less complexity then treating WEB PAGES | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | as "messages" | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | apropos, for techrights-sec I always usequassel, which, seeing the features it is, | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | has leapt passed konversation | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I am too accustomed to konversation | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | *leapt past | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | *quassel | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I tried it about 12 years ago when Omar in IRC suggested trying it | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | it has improved since | May 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | Omar was a Palestinian living in Lebanon | May 05 15:39 |
| Techrights-sec | I wish that applications would focus on one thing and do that one thing well | May 05 15:39 |
| Techrights-sec | I see no need for a browser or RSSin a mail client | May 05 15:39 |
| Techrights-sec | both quassel and konversation are quite good but quite different | May 05 15:39 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 15:39 |
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| *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell | May 05 15:40 | |
| schestowitz-TR | quassel has in ti the functionality I 'implemented' in bash, to track multiple channels in one place | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | afaik, konversation still lacks that | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | but my bash thing is more flexible, so it has been extended a bit, in ways I cannot do with bolted in GUI | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | re html and mail, don't forget that some 'mail' clients no longer send text | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | kaniini complained introducing people to some thing like REAL git (over email) was | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | not possible because they thooughht email=web page | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | and their "apps" insisted so | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | so nowadays thunderbird can ave a ton of holes (EFF with "fmail" was AFTER barlow died... | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | EFF keeps bashing PGP... a lot... to promote hipster SHITE) | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | as Firefox grows and grows so does thunderbird | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | a lot of tyhe trouble is a consequence of tossing gecko into a MAIL client | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | and if you tuned off that "bit", then thunderbird would hardly need patches | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've lost count of how many very fine extensions I once had in thunderbird | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | they killed off almost all of them | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | same in firefox | May 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | cutting one's own legs and arms for "aerodynamics" | May 05 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | (runners can run even faster if they surgically remove their ears... or breasts in women's case) | May 05 15:45 |
| Techrights-sec | I know, I've started to see that. Also people who are limited to webmail clients are easy victims for phishing, sp | May 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | earphishing, and even clickless attacks | May 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | Perhaps therre is a conflict of interest among EFF staff that they are | May 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | trying to undermine privacy and integrity | May 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | yes firefox used to be simple and extensible | May 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | there were articles from several unrelated authors about the near impossible | May 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | situation GAFAM has created out of the web; it's not possible any more to | May 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | start developing a new web browser due to all the cruft and gratuitious | May 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | complexity; | May 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | I'd like to see a generic XML browser that has style sheets for HTML and other | May 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | markup languages | May 05 15:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | netsurf is nice, but it would not work with "modern" sites or barely work with them | May 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | afaict, it works nicely in fsf, gnu, tuxmachines, TR | May 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did not check much beyond that, except schestowitz.com | May 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | those were build for browsing in the IE6 era | May 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | when the web became very, very stagnenant | May 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | had become rather | May 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | until Firefox came and grew | May 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | www (protocols) and html* (formats, too) have since then became a lot more complex than even ooxml | May 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | but nobody wants to say that | May 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and we are back to the era of "this works only with x yz browser" | May 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | where it's likely all except firefox are the same codebase | May 05 15:49 |
| Techrights-sec | yes we are clearly back in that era. strang that marketeetrs actively throw | May 05 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec | away market share in order to pursue pernicious ideologies and not build things | May 05 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec | or grow market shar | May 05 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec | it's 1996 all over again | May 05 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | very different in the technical sense due to scale | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | bendali says firefrox and chrome are 30+ million LOCs | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | he knows cause he builds off of them | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I reckon he has a fell for which portions are essential | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | with "workers" and other crap thrown into the browser (EME is binary blob) it's no longer | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | just gecko, there are other moving parts inside the machine | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | dealing with states and stuff like notifications (OS-level hooks) | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | Even VirtualBox does not seem to have that much access | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is to the OS what WINE, not a VM, is to an OS | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | or maybe WSL | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | WSL is failing, it's a niche toy and Microsoft seems to have limited the amount of money wasted | May 05 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | on 1) developing it 2) marketing it | May 05 15:54 |
| Techrights-sec | ... except now the browser are being used as virtual machines to run | May 05 15:55 |
| Techrights-sec | programs of undetermined provenance and proprietary at that | May 05 15:55 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 15:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | to whit, fgulag meet | May 05 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I didn't even know what it was | May 05 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne asked me to check | May 05 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was guessing it's what gulag calls hangover [sic] now | May 05 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | after canning "Hangouts" | May 05 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | they also killed off Gulag Voice | May 05 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | now it's "new experience" | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | i.e. they removed some key features like "direct to landline" | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is how rianne took calls off it | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | each timew you log it there is a different version running | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a program of unknown integrity | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | running off your machine | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | but sent over to you by some unknown, NSA-connected entity | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | in another continent | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | all this just to implement simple chat | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did this back in the 1990s with 14k baud modem | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | just occurred to me, if NSA targets you, gulag will send a tailor-made version | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | of gulag hangover/voice/meat [sic] to you | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | with lots of juicy things | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | now that browsers can access anything on your machine and the network | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | you would not see cxhecksums of the program your browser is executing | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | and gulag doe snot support any browser not controlled at least partly by gulag for its | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | disservices | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it is in control of "both sides of the transaction" | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | the program it sends to you | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the shandbox which executes it | May 05 16:01 |
| Techrights-sec | yep | May 05 16:01 |
| Techrights-sec | yep or any number of other things, including javascript in the browser aas | May 05 16:01 |
| Techrights-sec | a steping stone to larger intrusions if nothing else | May 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | brb coffee, then working on feeds, then recording | May 05 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | (feeling like this summer I might be free at last) | May 05 16:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | ack | May 05 16:12 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | back | May 05 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | if I make up free time, I can improve a lot of things in git (over gemini), irc, gemini, and of course the site | May 05 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | which needs modernising only at the back end | May 05 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's good that we don't rely on just one protocol and everything is consolidated (no social | May 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | controm media inc. for video) | May 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | whichj limits the amount of time-wasting and risk | May 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will convey these ideas to rianne later | May 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have a feeling the new offer they give us won't be good enough and we will leave in good terms | May 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | as I said a week ago, I had no intention ofm seeking alternative employment | May 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | another option might be, agree to do 1-2 days a week, just to keep financially neutral and a foot inside the | May 05 16:13 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 16:13 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | May 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | door so to speak | May 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | it'll likely be negotiable | May 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne does 2 a week now, I've done 4.6 a week for a decade | May 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | daily links heavy on abortion new, light on 'FOSS' | May 05 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | in progress atm | May 05 16:22 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 16:22 |
| Techrights-sec | In the automated links or the manual links? | May 05 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | in was just about to add: | May 05 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | the abortion stuff isn't the cujrated bit | May 05 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the sites we have "left" in the program are decent | May 05 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | and do not over-politicise this issue | May 05 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | they rightly present this as a women's (primarily) matter | May 05 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | and how the corporate system with scotus fails them | May 05 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | (typically when I add those they go near the top of categories not due to preferences | May 05 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | but practical reasons of finding the category name) | May 05 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | so "first" means "ltest added" | May 05 16:22 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | May 05 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wanmted to point this out many times before | May 05 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | it really ought to be the opposite, i.e. curated first, then the rest | May 05 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | but in practice that means a lot of scrolling | May 05 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | (my mouse has poor scrolling, but it gets by) | May 05 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec | I can look into the order but I thought the automated links came after the | May 05 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec | curated links | May 05 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, but when they're added it's reverse-chrom | May 05 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | popping on top of the stack when searching for the category name, then dropping it on top | May 05 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | after added the items on top of the "merged" file | May 05 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | one possible "fix" is to first do automate, then curated added at the top | May 05 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | another is, always scroll down to the bottom | May 05 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that's like 100-200 times per day | May 05 16:26 |
| Techrights-sec | Ok I'll look into fixing the sequencing, it may take a day or so | May 05 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | I just have to see which script is reversing the sequence, if that is what's | May 05 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | happening. | May 05 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | that is more of my workflow issue, not the program | May 05 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | namely, it is faster to search for the heading of the category, then place the cursor below <ul> | May 05 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | than to find the bottom of the blocks of stories, then place the cussor there | May 05 16:28 |
| schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/04/candlelit-vigil-will-press-biden-deliver-covid-19-vaccine-patent-waiver | May 05 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Candlelit Vigil Will Press Biden to Deliver Covid-19 Vaccine Patent Waiver | May 05 16:32 | |
| schestowitz-TR | KEI/Jamie Love seem to be MIA | May 05 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | or maybe went under some years ago | May 05 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | they're barely visible anymore | May 05 16:33 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 16:33 |
| Techrights-sec | can you point to a file (presumably 2022-05-05-merged.html) and a | May 05 16:33 |
| Techrights-sec | title in a section demostratingthe problem? I'm seeingthe curated links | May 05 16:33 |
| Techrights-sec | at the top and the automated links trailing them | May 05 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | the workflow is the issue, not the file | May 05 16:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | I start at the top, adding them in order | May 05 16:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | then, later, I assemble the unsorted lot, but adding those to top of their parent node, rather than bottom, as find | May 05 16:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | ing the bottom typically means scrolling down a lot | May 05 16:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | finalising faily links | May 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | thoughts | May 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | when unis were wpontrolled by the statge they served science | May 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | whenc otnrolled by corporatios or partnering with them | May 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | they tend to gravitate towards serving the financial needs of the companies | May 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | inc. factors like marketing (clown, training)m and outsourcing | May 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | so that might expalin whjy professors become followers ratheer thasn leadersa | May 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | and bruce schnier often times just parrots what ciorporations say | May 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | instead of forming his own views/words/interpretation | May 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbiab | May 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | just tryion t to do one thing at one time to avoid confusion | May 05 16:56 |
| Techrights-sec | ok so the curated links should be at the end instead of the beginning where | May 05 16:57 |
| Techrights-sec | they are at the moment? | May 05 16:57 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 16:59 |
| Techrights-sec | ok fixing that ... | May 05 16:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, it would help place them at he top of categories, where they truly belong, or I could just start reading the | May 05 16:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | file from the middle | May 05 16:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think actually, don't chenge that | May 05 16:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | leave as is | May 05 16:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will just start near the middle next time | May 05 16:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is also the section that is new "supplementary'" which I don't kw hopw or when to handle | May 05 16:59 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | May 05 17:01 |
| Techrights-sec | it's not too hard to change , just a shell script | May 05 17:01 |
| Techrights-sec | that's not feasible without some ML and first harvesting the full article | May 05 17:01 |
| Techrights-sec | would anchors help so that it is easy to hop back and forth within the page? | May 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | the real challenge would be using some heuristics to 'guess' where the iterms might belong, or make assumptions bas | May 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | ed on the feeds e.g. dont extraditeassange always going under "freedom of the press" and torrrentfresk always under | May 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | copyreights | May 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | not sure how to implement this neatly | May 05 17:01 |
| Techrights-sec | something like that might be feasible but not so easy to maintain | May 05 17:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | done manually, it does not take much effort | May 05 17:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | the issue is, I need to start with the latter stuff, to make it so that curated goes on top | May 05 17:03 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/05/bbc-whitewashing-a-criminal/ | May 05 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » While the BBC is Whitewashing a Criminal That Sponsors the BBC COVID-19 Kills Many More (and That BBC Sponsor Profits From Those Deaths) | May 05 17:18 | |
| schestowitz-TR | report typos please ;-) | May 05 17:19 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | May 05 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec | need a stronger reminder about Gates forcing the university to reneg on their | May 05 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec | promise not to patent / collect royalties on the UK vaccine | May 05 17:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | I also add that | May 05 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec | firefox has broken its ability to parse files if they do not have the right | May 05 17:29 |
| Techrights-sec | names or parts of names. 'x' will not be accepted even if it is HTML but the | May 05 17:29 |
| Techrights-sec | same file if renamed to 'x.html' will be acccepted. | May 05 17:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | CLI functionality of FF got worse over time | May 05 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | instead of more versatile | May 05 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've finalised my post, found some typos | May 05 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | this won't be the last on this topic | May 05 17:30 |
| schestowitz | While the BBC is Whitewashing a Criminal That Sponsors the BBC COVID-19 Kills Many More (and That BBC Sponsor Profits From Those Deaths) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/05/bbc-whitewashing-a-criminal/ | May 05 17:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | looking at corona portal atm | May 05 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will have a go at billBC... | May 05 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | more important than EPO | May 05 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | report typos please ;-) | May 05 17:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/05/bbc-whitewashing-a-criminal/ | May 05 17:33 |
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| schestowitz-TR | OTA | May 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | got part 14 | May 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | wanns see it in /tmp ? | May 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is there now | May 05 18:12 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | May 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [18:12] <DaemonFC> schestowitz-TR, Facebook blames Apple and "the general macroeconomic environment" for a hiring f | May 05 18:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | reeze and a 40% collapse in their stock price. | May 05 18:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | 12 and 13 were published and had been put there already IIRC | May 05 18:14 |
| Techrights-sec | where are parts 12 and 13? | May 05 18:14 |
| Techrights-sec | found it | May 05 18:14 |
| Techrights-sec | all set | May 05 18:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | added crude first draft while video processing | May 05 18:27 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 05 18:51 |
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