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schestowitz-TRdoing offsite backup of TR wordpress DB and TM Drupal DB... I still struggle to make a full file system backup due to connection speed... hope you have some file systems backups just in case. I want to be 100% covered ahead of the next EPO installments.Dec 05 00:35
Techrights-secno recent file system backups but data; I can look into the file systemDec 05 01:24
Techrights-secbackups but as you point out the connection speeds are a problem with thatDec 05 01:24
Techrights-secI think it's mostly load.  The way that kind of worked, last time I tried it,Dec 05 01:24
Techrights-secwas to rsync the live VMs from HV several times in a row.  The result is  Dec 05 01:24
Techrights-secbroken obviously but can kind of be repaired and then the data from the dataDec 05 01:24
Techrights-secbackup imported.Dec 05 01:24
Techrights-secRequests    PageDec 05 01:24
Techrights-sec    [1]  423    gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/11/29/teaching-cybersecurity/Dec 05 01:24
schestowitz-TR a nerve was struck (or chord)Dec 05 01:24
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schestowitz-TRto avoid misunderstandings or accidents, today there are 2 other links and one manually curatedDec 05 07:30
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Techrights-secyes, dealing with some stuff here, will have more next batchDec 05 08:23
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schestowitz-TRshit is getting real in upc/epo lang, with composure being tested as they lie like there's no tomorrowDec 05 10:42
schestowitz-TRI think it's  in violation of no actual law to lie and mislead like thisDec 05 10:42
schestowitz-TRI have low temperDec 05 10:42
schestowitz-TRso I can respond calmly, zoobab finds that harderDec 05 10:42
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Techrights-secyes keeping calm is part of the necessary approach.  one of the reasons they lieDec 05 11:53
Techrights-secis so that that when critics get angry, the EPO liars can use the tone to Dec 05 11:53
Techrights-secdiscredit the messenger and thus the message.  Dec 05 11:53
schestowitz-TRabsolutely, well said. I got RMS to give words of support to zoobab and we're doing our rebuttals calmly.Dec 05 11:53
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Techrights-secexcellentDec 05 12:13
Techrights-secin some northern European cultures, it's almost a game to bait opponents andDec 05 12:13
Techrights-secwhoever loses their temper is considered by one and all to have lost the matchDec 05 12:13
Techrights-secno matter how reasonable their positionDec 05 12:13
schestowitz-TRPieter love using humours like "yes men"... I do memes and stuff because it is fasterDec 05 12:36
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schestowitz-TRcopying across whole pi /home to laptop, which in turn gets offloaded to externals Dec 05 12:53
schestowitz-TRwe ned to advocate for a sort of 'homelab' but in the DC sense... so that fewer companiesDec 05 12:53
schestowitz-TRget to control people's data and livesDec 05 12:53
Techrights-secyes, however the big money is pushing to make home labs, or anything outside Dec 05 12:55
Techrights-secof a big datacentre, discouraged or illegal Dec 05 12:55
Techrights-secsee Mozilla's and Chromium's "warnings" about sites, as well as NetcraftsDec 05 12:59
Techrights-secfake attempt at "risk rating"Dec 05 12:59
schestowitz-TRsame for "apps" (LF working on it..)Dec 05 12:59
schestowitz-TRif the "apps" isn't signed by the 'babysitter'Dec 05 12:59
Techrights-secyes, I see various dickheads adopting the term "sideloading" in place of Dec 05 13:00
Techrights-secthe normal term "installation"Dec 05 13:00
schestowitz-TRthen people in reddit mock us (yesterday) for not having a CA "approving" us... in article about cybersecxurity and fake securityDec 05 13:01
Techrights-secyes, however, while there are showing their stupidity, once the    Dec 05 13:04
Techrights-secOS is upgraded it would be a simple move to placate them.  Though I am latelyDec 05 13:04
Techrights-secwondering if it would not be a good idea to just forget about HTTPS for thatDec 05 13:04
Techrights-secsite completely.  The WWW's certificate trust model is beyond repairable andDec 05 13:04
Techrights-secvery, very, very broken.  Dec 05 13:04
Techrights-secReddit is not a useful site for the general tech audience.  Their foundersDec 05 13:08
Techrights-seclied about the involvement of Swartz to gain a following at the same timeDec 05 13:08
Techrights-secSlashdot was collapsing.  It's got bad owners and is mostly just a filter andDec 05 13:08
Techrights-secvehicle for propaganda.  Any signal that gets through is a subset of theDec 05 13:08
Techrights-secapproved message and there just for appearances.Dec 05 13:08
Techrights-secReddit turns up a lot in searches but over the years I have yet to find a singleDec 05 13:08
Techrights-secinteresting or useful item on Reddit. Dec 05 13:08
Techrights-secLots or obviously wrong technical advice served up with a side helping of smugnessDec 05 13:08
Techrights-secNiceDec 05 13:08
schestowitz-TRatm I have about 120 unread items in patents category and a whole day left to catch up, so given that today wasDec 05 13:09
schestowitz-TRNOT a disaster like yesterday I can spend more time, calmly, working on gemini things.Dec 05 13:09
schestowitz-TRSeeing the puie charts, it would be good to increasse the % of geminispace that is gmiDec 05 13:09
Techrights-secackDec 05 13:09
schestowitz-TRI am very delighted to see more and more articles and even press releases, e.g. by nurses union, about patents aDec 05 13:35
schestowitz-TRnd covid-19. We need to repeat this message a lot as it helps o many fronts, puts in a helpfulDec 05 13:35
schestowitz-TRlight some of the overall issues associated with the patent systemDec 05 13:35
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schestowitz-TRwhat steps are still required to make gmi files for irc logs and then link to them?Dec 05 14:38
Techrights-secsame as mentioned a few days agoDec 05 14:54
Techrights-secwhatever makes ~/gemini/irc/irc-menu.txt and /tr_text_version/*Dec 05 14:54
Techrights-secI think that is yesterday-irc.log.shDec 05 14:54
Techrights-secI think a second loop, with a second perl script, can be re-use parts of Dec 05 14:54
Techrights-sec./xhtml-log-to-text.plDec 05 14:54
schestowitz-TRdoes that script deal with what we now have as raw text logs (daily chunks)?Dec 05 14:55
schestowitz-TRgemtext is so simple that even if we made the .txt version in effect gemtext  ("hash circle headlng") with links next to =>  I think it would be readable and not confusing to non-gemini requestsDec 05 14:56
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Techrights-secyes but it is the timing of the matter which is important, in order to avoid Dec 05 15:01
Techrights-secinorinant delays and other problems. So the script which creates the .txtDec 05 15:01
Techrights-secneeds to make .gmi at the same time.Dec 05 15:01
schestowitz-TRI will have a go at it..Dec 05 15:01
Techrights-secI've just started...Dec 05 15:04
schestowitz-TRah, ok, so it's not yet readyDec 05 15:04
Techrights-secit'll be a bit, on the phone atmDec 05 15:07
Techrights-secok pushed part of it to Git, but ./text-upload.sh will probably need someDec 05 15:15
Techrights-secmodification and it's not in GitDec 05 15:15
Techrights-seccan you update ./text-upload.sh and then once the .gmi files are uploaded asDec 05 15:15
Techrights-secpart of the process, I can adjust the remining script(s) ?Dec 05 15:15
schestowitz-TRit is under "Desktop-Utils"Dec 05 15:15
Techrights-secyes, but those sections are redactredDec 05 15:17
Techrights-sec^redactedDec 05 15:17
schestowitz-TRthese upload the daily bulletins and the index, not IRC. The IRC log uploads are in yesterday* (file)Dec 05 15:18
schestowitz-TRI thought the requires step would be, use a different script to generate the text versions for IRC, then upload as usual as .text. Then, on the SBC, the nightly cron job would hard-link them with gmi extensionDec 05 15:20
schestowitz-TR?*RequiredDec 05 15:20
Techrights-secYes, the change was simpler that it initially looked. Dec 05 15:23
schestowitz-TRthebn wev get gmi in ipfs \0/Dec 05 15:24
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Techrights-secThe .txt could even be removed since the Gemtext is just as legibleDec 05 15:29
Techrights-secThough that conversion script is different than the one from the other Dec 05 15:29
Techrights-secday and does not make the links hot.  That can be added but the work flowDec 05 15:29
Techrights-secis more important.Dec 05 15:29
schestowitz-TRyes, eventually the txt extension can be considered obsolete, though Web browsers don't know what to do with .gmiDec 05 15:30
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schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/04/in-memoriam-dr-michael-factor.html?showComment=1638279083394#c3634538851998237147Dec 05 15:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | In memoriam: Dr. Michael Factor, blogmeister extraordinaire - The IPKatDec 05 15:38
schestowitz"Anybody know of an active link to Michael's blog? Or whether it's been taken offline? Thank you in advance."Dec 05 15:38
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/11/obituary-professor-margaret-sophia-moy.html?showComment=1638205740882#c2856043903115841429Dec 05 15:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Obituary - Professor Margaret Sophia Moy Llewelyn (1962-2021) - The IPKatDec 05 15:38
schestowitz"Dec 05 15:38
schestowitzI first became aware of Margaret when she was at the University of Central Lancashire and I had lead responsibility for Biotech Policy in what was then the UK Patent Office. She had telephoned to discuss how the Office saw patent law developing in the face of the challenges biotechnology was creating. As I recall in that first conversation, she tried to persuade me that the solution was to adapt patent law to follow closely the Plant Variety Dec 05 15:38
schestowitzRights System. Also during that conversation we discovered our shared connection to Aberystwyth and its university which provided a foundation for a longstanding friendship as well as frequent exchanges and meetings over many years, often involving colleagues from the Plant Variety Rights Office in Cambridge. Margaret and I did not agree on everything but she was an inspiration in our shared vision of an IP system capable of dealing with a new Dec 05 15:38
schestowitzand fast moving technology. As some have already observed, Margaret was also entertaining and it was this aspect of her character that led me to invite her to one of our lunchtime sessions for visiting speakers. She was a hit with the staff of the Office and although I cannot remember much from that session, I do recall the title of her talk – “The Perennial Child”.Dec 05 15:38
schestowitzRoger WalkerDec 05 15:38
schestowitz(Retired) Divisional DirectorDec 05 15:38
schestowitzUK Intellectual Property OfficeDec 05 15:38
schestowitz"Dec 05 15:38
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/11/guest-post-flattery-or-freeloading-use.html?showComment=1638208028348#c3037300032086606821Dec 05 15:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest post] Flattery or freeloading? The use of look-a-likes within the context of image rights - The IPKatDec 05 15:39
schestowitz"So - why don't you post the images in question or at least links thereto? BTW, George Clooney does a feeble look-alike imitation of me - but I have let it go so far."Dec 05 15:39
schestowitz-TRI think the babystep that would be least risky and disruptive is, changing the script that makes the text versions first, let that run the same way for a while (different outcome), then do one extra step each night Dec 05 15:46
schestowitz-TRwhen I run git show it shows diffs for yesterday*Dec 05 15:49
schestowitz-TRa lot of the diffs shown are non-diffs, except one line that becomes 5 lines near the endDec 05 15:49
Techrights-secsome of the lines which look unchanged had trailing white space removedDec 05 15:58
schestowitz-TROK, so I know in which 'direction' to merge the changesDec 05 15:59
schestowitz-TRif I read the code correctly, this added another 4 files to upload every night and I'll need to add the upload commandsDec 05 15:59
Techrights-secI think soDec 05 16:04
schestowitz-TRwill stay awake at that time to ensure it works ok and correct if it fails the first time aroundDec 05 16:04
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schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/04/21/astrazeneca-experiences/Dec 05 17:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Message of Concern About AstraZeneca (Which Now Renames Its Products to Dodge Bad Reputation)Dec 05 17:33
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Techrights-secgemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/ seems unresponsive, perhaps the file isDec 05 19:46
Techrights-sectoo large at this particular moment?Dec 05 19:46
schestowitz-TRI nolticed earlier that this is slow, I've just checked agaiunDec 05 19:48
schestowitz-TRYes, it is still slowDec 05 19:48
schestowitz-TRbuit maybe amfora hangs up at one pointDec 05 19:48
schestowitz-TRlike a timeout thresholdDec 05 19:48
schestowitz-TRtDec 05 19:48
schestowitz-TRto me,  it always gets there at the endDec 05 19:48
schestowitz-TRmaybe 'too many' URLKs?Dec 05 19:48
Techrights-secyes it could be amfora, in part, the other pages are ok for now.  Maybe but theDec 05 19:49
Techrights-secother pages are ok for now, but I'm not sure the size cutoff for GeminiDec 05 19:49
Techrights-secABove a certain size it chokesDec 05 19:49
schestowitz-TRmaybe tc?Dec 05 19:49
Techrights-secprobably not any more, the same tc works ok on a test system here and onceDec 05 19:51
Techrights-secthe connection is made, things go fine, also the other pages are ok in agateDec 05 19:51
Techrights-secabout 270kB at the momentDec 05 19:52
Techrights-secover 2600 linesDec 05 19:52
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schestowitz-TRmind you, i still rsync the whole pi (for many hours no), but I doubt is has impact compared to ipfsDec 05 19:55
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Techrights-secThat might be it, that is disk-intensive.  I get the feeling that the problemDec 05 19:55
Techrights-secis not with CPU or network but with disk access.  IPFS hogs the network butDec 05 19:55
Techrights-secthat should not be problem with the new tc rulesDec 05 19:55
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schestowitz122,126c114Dec 05 19:58
schestowitz<               if($opt{'g'}) {Dec 05 19:58
schestowitz<                   push(@result, qq(\n## $day\n));Dec 05 19:59
schestowitz<               } else {Dec 05 19:59
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schestowitz<                   push(@result, qq(\n● $day\n));Dec 05 19:59
schestowitz<               }Dec 05 19:59
schestowitz---Dec 05 19:59
schestowitz>               push(@result, qq(\n● $day\n));Dec 05 19:59
schestowitzroy@vonick:~/Git/IRC$ cp  ~/xhtml-log-to-text.pl  ~/xhtml-log-to-text.pl.oldDec 05 19:59
schestowitzroy@vonick:~/Git/IRC$ cp xhtml-log-to-text.pl ~/xhtml-log-to-text.pl Dec 05 19:59
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schestowitz-TRhave merged in your changed to yesterday*Dec 05 20:04
schestowitz-TRwill not add the upload just yet, it'll upload only the usual objects at this stage, the next night I will uplolDec 05 20:04
schestowitz-TRupload these too after doing a sanity check on the output fileDec 05 20:04
schestowitz-TRfrom the diffs it looks like this file does not yet incocporate the URL expander that mkes clickable gemini linkDec 05 20:06
schestowitz-TRs Dec 05 20:06
schestowitz-TRunlike irc-log-to-gemyexy.plDec 05 20:06
Techrights-secackDec 05 20:07
Techrights-secnot yetDec 05 20:07
Techrights-secthe tricky part here is the work flow and uploads, I;d like to make sureDec 05 20:07
Techrights-secthat is ok first.  We can see tomorrow about that and then afterwardsDec 05 20:07
Techrights-secadd the links for the next day's batch.Dec 05 20:07
schestowitz-TRgood, that reduces the complexity and avoids creating broken pipeline; I had a nap just now, so can stay up to check and correct things in case the script 'craps out'Dec 05 20:08
Techrights-secIt'll be just a few lines near the end of the script.Dec 05 20:08
Techrights-secexcellentDec 05 20:08
schestowitz> Hope you're very well,Dec 05 20:14
schestowitz> Dec 05 20:14
schestowitz> For those interested in computer security, this week I've writtenDec 05 20:14
schestowitz> about why it's so hard to teach:Dec 05 20:14
schestowitz> Dec 05 20:14
schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2021/11/29/teaching-cybersecurity/Dec 05 20:14
schestowitzThis article has not been accessed about 8,000 times.Dec 05 20:14
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Dr. Andy Farnell on Teaching Cybersecurity in an Age of ‘Fake Security’ | TechrightsDec 05 20:14
schestowitzThat's good. Not even counting Gemini.Dec 05 20:14
schestowitzIf you have more articles, let me know. I'll be delighted to run them.Dec 05 20:14
Techrights-secs/not/now/Dec 05 20:15
schestowitz-TRah, he might spot that as typoDec 05 20:16
Techrights-secbest to correctDec 05 20:32
schestowitz-TRturns out I forgot to press send as no encryption keys, so correcting was even easier ^_^Dec 05 20:33
schestowitz-TRit also gives a nasty American/Saudi firm control over their communicationsDec 05 20:51
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