IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, March 06, 2022

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I am going to post a link or list of links to invidious instances

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-invidious.snopyta.org | Ramble About Software Patents and Their Harms - Part 3 - Invidious

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we ought to encourage their use

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I have not looked at Invidious before. Odysee needs an account to be useful

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and the javascript burden there is egregious. The account is needed because

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the signal to noise ratio is so poor that you have to spend a /very/ long time

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blocking accounts. There is really good material in Odysee but it is otherwise

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completely drowned out in utter garbage and even disinformation and

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propaganda style disinformation.

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I am going to post a link or list of links to invidious instances

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we ought to encourage their use

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btw, earlier today I was going to type something herere

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but decided not to

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it was not important, I don't remember what it was anymore

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but I did not want to oiverwhelm you upon wake-up

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as you can see, I'm posting more than usual this weekend

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as a result of not wasting time on "social" crap

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Yeah there's not much of a buffer, about 24 lines or so.

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Their web skills are awful and that is compounded by their abuse of javascript

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for even the smallest thing.

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i am going to try odysee at random

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see how laughable it gets

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i see youtube style clickbait-oiptimised front page

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sex, putin, cults like musk, cover photos designed to get clicks

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btw i did saome testing of ipfs

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it still works, but for large files like bulletins we get capped a bit by network capacity

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I did nnot click anything in odysee

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it's like twitter with mutimedia as medium

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annd has no items of mental iinput

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heck, they promote some thing where a women sells jarred farts

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did not click

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this is stuff they promte

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Like I wrote, they have a lot of garbage. If Invidious is much better, then

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maybe it is worth investigating.

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Oh. Then it;s filtered garbage anyway.

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ack

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the way I understand it, invidious is just a relay for gulagtube and can also prox the

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traffic

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but... for some instances you ghave them curate promotes videos

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based on some theme

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e.g. anime for japanese

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soime nl instance, finnish instance, tech ones

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so you can cut through the crap like "recommended

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and it nevere ever plays any ads

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when we do workouts we use yewtu.be

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so the general idea is, let's try to get more people to use it

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when gulag gets angry it'll try to block it

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but it'll be hard to block the "bad" or "unwanted" ones

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without cutting off alksso what gulag sees as "lkegit"

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do not worry if I am too harsh on gulag

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IU will finish thes erants soon

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some things do need to be said

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btw, I am not sure

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if what I wanted help from you earlier

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was with zoe videos

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I found something and did it myself at the end

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but maybe it was another task-like thing I had in my head

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it doesn't matter

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as the saying goes

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if it was really important, I'd have written it down

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you shall see there is a moral here

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to do with founders

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I'm not familiar with many of the new names.

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url for businesses schools making sociopaths (mba)?

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see draft

https://dealbreaker.com/2017/05/business-schools-might-have-tiny-little-psychopath-problem

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https://www.economist.com/whichmba/better-class-psychopath

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There is also probably an inverse relation between the number of MBAs on the

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payroll and the viability of a business, especially a startup.

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Business Schools Might Have A Tiny Little Psychopath Problem - Dealbreaker

https://hbr.org/2004/10/executive-psychopaths

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-A better class of psychopath | Which MBA? | The Economist

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-hbr.org | Executive Psychopaths

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There was not much written about the displacement of Google's founders.

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RMS and eventually Linus must pass on the reins and assume an advisory role

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if only to ensure a smooth transition and a continuation of the values they

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founded their respective projects on. Both waited a bit too long and got

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sidelined instead. Both can recover (AFAIK) but would have to expend effort.

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RMS can advise now, I hope the FSF and GNU are on good footing.

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Linux though is in a harder spot with so many microsofters now in high places

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A purge is needed there.

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published, you can try to find typos in there, esp. the quoted bits

Mar 06 05:08

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D<"

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I got a link via e mail today to download my data… I have spent the hours since trying to

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decode the json file and view it in a readable form… I have tried various online methods

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of doing this… It just crashes firefox… Can you someone please just explain how one goes

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about viewing this data in a readable form, thanks…

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https://pod.diaspora.software/posts/4984491

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pod.diaspora.software | An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com

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I have just managed to expore the full joindiapora account of tuxmachinmnes

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should i

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1) import this to another pod

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2) if so, whiich one?

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1) depends

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It'd be rather good, in some ways, for TM to maintain a presence.

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2) no idea which pod,

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I've not followed Diaspora for a long time and no longer have a good overview.

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Can mastodon.technology be the 'home base' of TM?

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I am checking the list

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will sask you before I do anything

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to recap, that instance then exports to tumblr, twitter, and from twitter

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it gets picked up by mastodon.technology

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asside from irc

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manstodom does not contain the full histopry of posts

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and also it does not export like diaspora can

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the most active users are said to be in diapora-fr.org

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diasp.org is dsecond

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Then a Diaspora pod would be a better choice for the epicenter.

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Is the -fr a geographical or linguistic distinction?

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to me, what's important is logevity, uptime, and services supported

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i am checking

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it's an important decision that is hard to change later

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maybe I can even link it to wordpress.com

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unlike joindiapora

https://the-federation.info/diaspora

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-the-federation.info | the federation - a statistics hub

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scroll down a bit

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diasp.eu is based in .de but wuld imply tuxmachines is an eu thing

https://the-federation.info/diaspora

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it supports 3 services, most support just 1 or 2

Mar 06 12:13

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ack

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the list says nothing about intended userbase for the nodes.

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Is there a difference for any of them?

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How to tell the quality of the admins?

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scroll down a bit

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no hurry, let me know what you think

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I asses # of users 65 months vs month

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it tells you which ones are dying fast

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and might shut down next

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pluspora I think plans to shut down too

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buit the platform is also used as cross-dservice and cross-pod firehose

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the instances have local and non-local

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some have some extra theming

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some have lousy admins

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I am tryint to assess user (active) retention

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by compsrins 6m months to 1 month

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that tells you something about ttl

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for the pod in general

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notice some are "No" for opensignups

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https://pod.tchncs.de/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pod.tchncs.de | tchncs*

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Discontinuation Warning

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This has been the first public service of tchncs.de, but it's time to move on. As development and community adoption slowed down significantly over the years, your admin considers to shut down this services in June, 2022.

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https://diaspora.psyco.fr/users/sign_up I don't like the domain name, what do you think?

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.psyco.fr | diaspora*

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and support for the account would likely not be in English

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some have not even updated to the latest version of diapora

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which mifght mean neglect by admin

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pluspora admin died

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and the pod was not up to date

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diasp.eu is up to date, open, seems to have good user retention

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let me try to open an account to see if I can, at all, imporrt to it

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I can delete it afterwards

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they charge 11 euros per year

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and ask for card details

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while seemingly fair

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I don;'t give card numbers

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not for testing, either

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11 eurosx ~250 active users might be enough to cover iunfra

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but...

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I also know nothing about the admin

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Diaspora Europe wants 11 euros a year

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Diaspora Germany wants 1 a month

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diaspora france lacks support for tumbler export

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https://pod.tchncs.de/

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pod.tchncs.de | tchncs*

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pod.tchncs.de | tchncs*

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Discontinuation Warning

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This has been the first public service of tchncs.de, but it's time to move on. As development and community adoption slo

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wed down significantly over the years, your admin considers to shut down this services in June, 2022.

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part of a trend lately

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dfeels like no matter what we choosse, it won't last too long..

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lol!

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some of these pods I look at have fewer TOTAL posts than what the Linux account would impoirt

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so it would bloat upm their DB

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https://diaspora.psyco.fr/users/sign_up I don't like the domain name, what do you think?

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diaspora.psyco.fr | diaspora*

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.psyco.fr | diaspora*

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and support for the account would likely not be in English

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I noticed

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Yes, I think they would (or at least many would) grumble about English

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well, the UI is in English

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I am looking into it atm

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as the number of active users seems to be improviing

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i am willing to pay, but not with card

https://diaspora.psyco.fr/help/account_and_data_management

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.psyco.fr | Help

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"Version 0.7.0.0 of diaspora* provides the first stage of account migration: you can now export all your data from the “Account” section of the user settings. Keep your data safely! In a future release you will be able to migrate your whole account, including posts and contacts, to another pod."

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LOL!

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So they let you export

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but no import support

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so what is the point?

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I need to wait, I guess

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this pod has a total of 99087 posts

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that's about as many as "Linux" (TM) has

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and schestowitz might be about 600,000

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can you imagine the reaction is I attempted to import?

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So are there any limits on import?

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I asked last month (the code dev team) about import contraints

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they said they would sort it out

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for now I guess I have a parked account

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while import is not even supported... or something

https://discourse.diasporafoundation.org/t/unique-user-reference-changing-pods-backup/4441

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-discourse.diasporafoundation.org | Unique user reference, changing pods, backup - Development - diaspora* Discourse

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That's one of the reasons for asking. I'm not sure of the back end but if it is

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not efficient in storing the posts, the import might cause a noticeable load

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and take time.

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or, yet worse, damage the site (pod)

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the export of linux, exc. media, is 38mb of gz'ed file

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i can imagine schestowitz wouyld be about 300MB at most

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I wonder, given that many are in the same situation

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should I now do a video about this?

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Not sure, do you have some short-listed English language pods with uptodate

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software and reliable admins? It would have to be clear that there are other

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good pods out there, too.

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not just the ones on the shortlist.

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just explainng the situation for what it is can help

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as I saw some baffled users

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asking what to do with the data they have exported

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I have some things to say about the direction of the project too

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like the shutdowns

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but it won't be so flattering to the hard-working devs

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for that reason alone I prefere to keep silent for now

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mastodon toook out much of the wind from diaspor'a sails, I think

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the official site for The Federation, which is looking for a new maintainer, sya

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that acroos ALL platforms there are 6000 million posts

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pleroma now has over 1000 nodes

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diaspora 171

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total posts 7.3 million

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almost 10% of them are mine

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linux and glynmoody also have lots

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Yes, best not to point out that some are in a hard spot.

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So maybe best to skip a video on the topic for now. I'm sure there will be some

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obvious things to say pubicly once a pod has been selected and an agreement

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reached.

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I think there could/should be a tuxmachines Diaspora instance if you really want to maintain a presence on Diaspora

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but I don't think it's worth it in terms of resources and maintenance

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maybe Diaspora isn't even the best implementation of such a social network anymore

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I think what is important is the data and the options to connect to people, but the exact codebase doesn't need to be preserved

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especially if it it's far from optimal

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(I'm not familiar with the codebase)

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i have

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1) left a message in diapora to devs (positive) assuring another user (Gary

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2) come to realise import will take a long time

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3) started connectinmg the new account to external services

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seems tumblr already broke compat back in november

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i did not evben notce

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500 internal server error

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such is the nature of working on projects that rely on THIRD-PARTy 'clown;

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APIs

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which are of course a moving target

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you do not get to use "the older versions" of things

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it's like site ToS

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you must agree

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lol wordpress.com compatibility is still broken

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I think unless you connected it as a servic some time prior to 20917 it could work

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but not after that

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fb compat was removed altogether

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so I now assume I won't be able to connectd @schestowitz account

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to wordpress.com either

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only "twitter"

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this lessens the appeal

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ack

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:( changing APIs are no good, as are proprietary APIs

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Walled gardens actively avoid and prevent interoperability,

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ack

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psydroid2: it would be hard

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for starters

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diaspora has export

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which isn't even reliable

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and no import

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so the data cannot travel with you... yet

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and the underlying complexity is horrendous, I've messed around with the code since a decade back

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I've exported the little data I had in my account, but even the data file in JSON looks complex

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ok, so I have connected this new account to birdsite and so from that it'll cross over to mastodon as before

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I don't know why all of that is in there

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no code changes are needed

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just some configs in kde

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to keep the window bolted to the right place

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what was lost: all followers in diaspora

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though they claim they might be able to port them over in the futurr

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and access to tumblr was already lost last year

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tumbler seems to be a toally dead zone

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iirc, wordpress/automattic took over it

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maintenace would be a headache and lots of javascript

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psydroid2: some british photographer, gary, said the same

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when he attempted to open his file yesterday

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ok, so the new instance has some of the very same bugs as the old one

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otho, tuxmachines in manstodon and in twitter are workking again

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as does the zero-folloeers account in diaspora

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tumblr and wordpress killed off compat with diaspora

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just like facebook had done ages earlier

http://techrights.org/2022/02/10/social-control-media-bubbles/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Social Control Media is a Bubble and JoinDiaspora Might be the Next Casualty | Techrights

https://mastodon.technology/@tuxmachines

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Tux Machines (@tuxmachines@mastodon.technology) - Mastodon for Tech Folks

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" Joined Apr 2017 "

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I have just pushed some changed to git

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3 services restroed, abeit one out of 1 is without followers

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so locally orphaned

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tumblr alrweady died silently last year

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looking

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the internet will be around for the coming decade

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in spite of putler

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but I doubt any of the social control media things

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will still be a think

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about 5 years ago I was trying to get a picture of what was happening

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as it seemed htts as a whole was waning

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because of "apps" and such

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browsers in 2020: "apps" i.e. JS

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not www/html , just trnasport layrr for junk

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One thing which could make the social control media drag on and on is the

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utility that major interest find in its ability to manipulate popular opinion.

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It can be kept (and probably is kept) afloat artifically like M$ has been, but

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with money and influence only not the cult-like aspects which M$ rides on too.

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gemini now at 2204 capsules

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are you still working on code for techrights gemini xml?

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I think it was last updated (the xml file) about 4 days ago

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if you have not yet startd aggregator for existing gemini feeds, maybe I can have a go?

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I've put the aggregator on pause because of some trouble reading feeds.

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The method used is not quite right and results in, for some obscure reason,

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data which is not accepted as XML. By all means have a try at it.

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Strange that TR's own feed has not updated.

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what code makes techrights xml file??

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I can see it is updated now

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I think it has not yet been pushed to git

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there are double slashes in url, so probably an easy thing to amend

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gemini-make-feed.pl it's in cron via a wrapper script but the cron part fails

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I have just saved the xml to a file, then opoended it okk

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in librewolf

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so I assume this is alreeady working mostly ok

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should we link to it from the front page under "Feeds"?

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in amfora, telescope, lagrange and kristall the double slash after year does not cause problems opening the

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pages, but I think it might split requests for the pages into two

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gemini-make-feed-wrapper.sh

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adding to Git

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pushed

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looking at the wrapped

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the perl part is harder for me to digest ;-)

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because PL isn't a thing I am fluent in at all

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not until the cron job is working properly also the double slash can be fixed

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Hopefully the perl is clear (enough) to muddle through.

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you have worked on programs in an area that few explored before, so there are

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good prospects of others adopting it when they look for ways to build and

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maintain their capsules

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some is generalisable

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but maybe not enoiugh to have a fancy name and "marketing"

https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1346242767696695308?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1346242767696695308:0:0:0:1346366190242500623

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roy@vonick:~/Git$ find | grep -v .git | wc -l

Mar 06 15:41

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130

Mar 06 15:41

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"Still doesn't make this "racism" at worst it is regulatory risk aversion from IBM - your error is expecting that corporations will operate under a moral framework (be it racist or otherwise) corporations are not moral entities - they exist to make a profit and nothing else."

Mar 06 15:47

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Mar 06 15:48

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat ... | Minds

Mar 06 15:48

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this is good so far: https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1346608083308122115

Mar 06 15:51

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Future of Censorship | Minds

Mar 06 15:51

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sorry if I bother a bit, not intended

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but it seems exciting that there's this gradual 'diaspora' away

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from html and maybe away froim JS too

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even if it starts mostly with geeks

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gulagtube, being social control media to,

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and tighting the screws in ways that annoy the users,

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might also give way

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eventuaklly I hope people will put down the 'phone'

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and "apps" will be abandoned along

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tith their notificatgions "addiction" (not the best term)

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the fsf missed the baot several times

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but rms will bring up gemini

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there are more issues now than just software freedom and

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software patents

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some of these were articulated by "diogital vegan"

Mar 06 15:53

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double slash fix pushed

Mar 06 15:53

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ack

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this is good so far: https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1346608083308122115

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this is equally applicable to twitter, FB, etc.

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still watching it

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he goes off the deep end a lot

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and not good to associate with

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but having said that, his commentary on sociul control media

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has long been correcte

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and he is self-hosting in his own site

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even the videos

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