IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, October 09, 2022

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so after posting like 100k posts in mastodon.technology for tuxmachines it is shutting down

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told you it's a bubble

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so everything I posted, even the comments, POOF!

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ack

https://ashfurrow.com/blog/mastodon-technology-shutdown/

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"By November 1, 2022, the instance will be put into a readonly mode ..."

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There will be until 1 Dec to migrate data.

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ashfurrow.com | mastodon.technology Shutdown | Ash Furrow

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migration probably won't even work ;-)

Oct 09 08:12

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https://yewtu.be/latest_version?id=sLimmpZWRNI

Oct 09 08:23

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about 17 minutes in he grumbles mildly about corporatism

Oct 09 08:23

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 429 @ https://yewtu.be/latest_version?id=sLimmpZWRNI )

Oct 09 08:23

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(from the post earlier)

Oct 09 08:24

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I watched thw ehole thing

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interesting:

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at around 3am the log for apache on techrights got rotated

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but apache is still writing to the old file handle

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i.e. the one with date at the end

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I cannot recall this every happening ebfore

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we need some arhiving page, like daily index

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I'm going to restart apache

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I hadn't seen that before either.

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I was recently thinking about the possible migration next year and what needs

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to be rewritten first.

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Probably the best aproache

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<techrights-news> Lady models, Chinese, as the new clickbait for ZDNet 'Linux' stories? https://www.zdnet.com/topic/linux/ totally off topic, one seems like clinician

Oct 09 10:14

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Linux | ZDNET

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No idea. Those must be stock photos. #######################################

Oct 09 11:27

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<techrights-news> "The text of the letter is helpful because (to my eyes, at least) it makes clear — much more clear than the news articles about it — that Musk is seeking an adjournment of the trial and his upcoming deposition without actually promising anything new or giving up anything at all."

Oct 09 11:56

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diaspora: collapsing

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FB: collapsing FAST (found some links)

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Twitter: at mercy of frauds

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Mastodon: going nowhere fast

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ack

Oct 09 12:06

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draft

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adding a part about blogs now.

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checking

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probably ought to mention the relevant of self-hosting one's own blog. There are a *lot* of options from simple to complex, from doing it all yourself to

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outsourcing larger components. Renting a domain name from a registrar is

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not that large an annual cost, or at least I hope it is not.

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well put

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you stand to lose the least

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people who never spent an iota of their time on those platforms

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but to be fair, they did have some benefits ages ago

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their mission and their UI was different once upon a time

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ack

Oct 09 14:19

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Twitter, especially, seemed a dumb idea from day one. However for mass

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manipulation of behavior and opinion Bytedance is worst.

Oct 09 14:19

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i wonder what it looks like and how it works

Oct 09 14:20

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I'll try to find a video that explains this to me

Oct 09 14:20

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watching a video I will share with you atm

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it's decent

n https://yewtu.be/watch?v=kw_nY-tMuHE

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | TikTok is Destroying a Generation - Invidious

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It's a major

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surveillance / espionage company but dabbles in propaganda and opinino

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modification. AFAIK Palantir and Team Cymru are just espionage. ByteDance

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has a strong grip on Gen Z's behaviors, values, mores, and ethics -- or

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splitting of those from *all* previous generations

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They all work more or less the same, though addictive interfaces and

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reinforcement of specific behaviors while squelching other behaviors.

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See the fairly recent articles about 'phones' as skinner boxes

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checking

https://odysee.com/@UpperEchelonGamers:3/tiktok-is-destroying-a-generation:7

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"a viral form of societal poison and it is well on its way to destroying a

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generation"

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | TikTok is Destroying a Generation

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<techrights-news> Tik-Tok seems like a Bill Gates platform https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qbv-VteX5H8

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | TikTok is Poisoning Society - Invidious

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"spending more time on social media than eating or drinking combined on a

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day to day basis"

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I'd say further that the number of contact hours spent with social control

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media far exceeds the contact hours spent with friends+family per day.

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Even worse, the algorithms are laser-focused on the one individual and their

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behavior and resistent to pushback of any kind. With people, there is some

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give and take in the interactions. With social control media, it is a one-way

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street.

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From day one, Tiktok, has targeted children. Now, as a domain name it is

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more common than Google, from a DNS usage perspective.

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an "hour or two" is a bad estimate more like three to six hours per day

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A people behind the great firewall of China even allowed to view TikTok?

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If not, then it could be considered a tool for offense.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/tiktok-dethrones-google-as-this-years-most-popular-domain/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-TikTok dethrones Google as this year's most popular domain - CNET

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the point about whether china uses tiktok inwards, outwards, or both is worthy an inquiry

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after those two videos I have a beter grasp of what tiktok is from a user's POV

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it's not "just an app"

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I thought it was just like scrolling, infinite scrolling, short videos on a "phone"

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these gross things sometimes make me wonder if computing in general was a Bad Idea

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but computers are a general concept

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computers > internet > web > social [sic] media

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and then computers can be split into form factors

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the net effect is a sadder society that works harder in spite of supposed automation

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never mind health effect (sedentary lifestyle)

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Computing but loss of control. The person in front of the keyboard out to

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have remained in charge, as per RMS' vision. However, spineless worms let

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"Freedoms" get whittled away year after year.

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They don't work harder, but only longer and less productively. :/

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"only longer and less productively." = still working harder

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Automation has been abused to control people rather than as a force multiplier.

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Contrast what we have now with what was envisioned 30+ years ago:

https://medium.learningbyshipping.com/bicycle-121262546097

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-medium.learningbyshipping.com | “Bicycle for the Mind”. “When we invented the personal… | by Steven Sinofsky | Learning By Shipping

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going for a troll around the stadium..

Oct 09 15:46

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back

Oct 09 15:46

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found some good things out there

Oct 09 15:46

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*stroll

Oct 09 15:47

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I think I have a better grasp now of what people do on the Net

Oct 09 15:51

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aside from DRMovies etc.

Oct 09 15:51

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it's not www and not even reading, it's just software withh transport layer

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the fonts in the 1980s were awful

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maybe this was photoshop on expensive macs

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I remember this PC design with the floppy slots, usually two of them for copying

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there is room for satire about what "computing" (or "net") became

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but reality is having more shock value than satire

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I saw in full those two videos

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and they did help me see some portions of the "site" tiktok

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it reselbles some things from 20 years ago

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but with higher b/w

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I hope this is now where escapees are moving

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if they recognise that social control media is fruitless

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and meaningless

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but I'm still digesting it

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I hardly see or speak to any young kids, like nephews and nieces

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they seem antisocial to me

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rianne did use some crap things before, but she stopped

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New [computation] system predicts how to prevent wildfires https://www.aalto.fi/en/news/new-ai-system-predicts-how-to-prevent-wildfires

Oct 09 16:07

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.aalto.fi | New AI system predicts how to prevent wildfires | Aalto University

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Yes, DT had a similar comment about his nieces and nephews being *very*

Oct 09 16:10

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anti-social and app-addicted.

Oct 09 16:10

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oh, shit, I should really watch his video now that it's Sunday

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I never got around to it

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he did speak a few years ago about fatigue and going offline

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his publication style is difficult as he goes for for ydays without saying anything and then goes "live" with something "new"

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one thing I hated about academic is how long it takes to publish even a short paper

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This one : https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/students-refuse-to-give-up-phones-in:0

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But more on ByteDance: https://odysee.com/@switchedtolinux:0/tiktok-tracking-non-users-2:8

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though that guy can be a bit too ranty most of the time

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The one mistake DT makes in that video is that he asserts that the students

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | Students Refuse To Give Up Phones In School

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own their phones. Legally, they probably don't. First, they are probably

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | TikTok Tracking Non-Users

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registered in their parents' names. Second, you don't own any of that stuff

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any more, but instead only granted a temporary license to use the service (app)

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while it suits them. Furthermore, many licenses are 20+ 12pt A4 pages long

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and grant them *ownership* of what's uploaded. Sadly almost none realise

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that they are uploading let alone realize the legal situation.

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uploaders=informants (usually unwittingly)

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never socialise with informants

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In the past, I have tried talking sense into people about the social control

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media licenses they 'agreed' to, but even when showing them printed paper

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with highlighting, they usually remain in full denial about it

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endorphines

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more powerful than llogical reasoning

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'watching' the videos

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I like videos that don't show "too" much

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as I can play them in the background

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without losing anything alluded to in the words

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odysee still fails to work with falkon

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bloody crap

Oct 09 16:23

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they don't even fix it

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Odysee is poisoned with excessive javascript, entirely unnecessary javasript

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in principle

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spent the past 1 hour checking how mastodon handles account migration

Oct 09 18:55

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all the past posts get lost

Oct 09 18:55

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but you can get to have an archive of them

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that cannot be migrated or imported

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and many of the "followers" do not get redirected properlt

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nto sure I want to 'bash' them over it

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it's still better than how diaspora handles it

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anyway, this is just for tuxmachines

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moving from someone else's computer to another someone else's computer

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is as lousy as that sounds

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that's not much of an advantage. It's better than absolutely nothing but

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still not much. The lack of followers is anothr bite.

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ack

Oct 09 18:57

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MAYBE I will do an article/video aboiutit

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having involuntarily 'researched' this matter

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but don't want to 'bash' them too much

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the task in federated network is not simple

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Or three: before, during, after archiving/migration

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