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schestowitz-TR2something a bit troubling happened todaySep 10 06:05
schestowitz-TR2which shows a weakness in wordpressSep 10 06:05
schestowitz-TR2in the bulletin I noticed one post missingSep 10 06:05
schestowitz-TR2as it turns out, after a lot of investigationSep 10 06:06
schestowitz-TR2when the browser was restored following the reboot Sep 10 06:06
schestowitz-TR2the next node would rewrite the previousSep 10 06:06
schestowitz-TR2as it was still 'stuck' on an old post_idSep 10 06:06
schestowitz-TR2thankfully fixing that was easySep 10 06:06
schestowitz-TR2but it never happened to me before Sep 10 06:06
schestowitz-TR2basically one node I published overrode the previousSep 10 06:06
schestowitz-TR2instead of making a new oneSep 10 06:06
schestowitz-TR2issue solved, at least I know what actually happenedSep 10 06:06
schestowitz-TR2---Sep 10 06:09
schestowitz-TR2wait, another technical issue/bug, this time with IRC logsSep 10 06:09
schestowitz-TR2do not touch the files yet, I need to diagnose and regenerate themSep 10 06:09
Techrights-secackSep 10 06:12
schestowitz-TR2two incidents in one morning, but I have time to copeSep 10 06:18
schestowitz-TR2seems like some binary crap got into the irc log filesSep 10 06:18
schestowitz-TR2I'm investigating Sep 10 06:18
schestowitz-TR2this will take at least an hour to fully fixSep 10 06:26
schestowitz-TR2say you have a text file with some binary junk somewhereSep 10 06:26
schestowitz-TR2how would you pin-point itSep 10 06:26
schestowitz-TR2kate can see there is inavblid char but does not say whereSep 10 06:26
schestowitz-TR2is there a text editor you can that can highlight it?Sep 10 06:26
schestowitz-TR2I need to remove it, I suspect it's in one of the IRC linksSep 10 06:26
Techrights-secmaybe vi ?Sep 10 06:26
schestowitz-TR2I will trySep 10 06:31
schestowitz-TR2oh, I think you were rightSep 10 06:31
schestowitz-TR2seems the system crash and reboot caused itSep 10 06:31
schestowitz-TR2which I guess makes senseSep 10 06:31
schestowitz-TR2I could not shut down cleanly  Sep 10 06:31
Techrights-sec:(Sep 10 06:31
schestowitz-TR2all because of the generated smaller gifSep 10 06:31
schestowitz-TR2but I caught this issue because of some sanity checks Sep 10 06:31
schestowitz-TR2workign to fix this nowSep 10 06:31
schestowitz-TR2upsides: Sep 10 06:35
schestowitz-TR2we won't make smaller gifs anymoreSep 10 06:35
schestowitz-TR2we caught the issueSep 10 06:35
schestowitz-TR2we seem to have fixed everything seemsSep 10 06:35
schestowitz-TR2machine rebooted back OKSep 10 06:35
schestowitz-TR2main downsize was loss of timeSep 10 06:35
schestowitz-TR2likewise, I fixed the post issueSep 10 06:35
schestowitz-TR2but one article was offline for half a day, the phoronix oneSep 10 06:35
schestowitz-TR2because it was 'overwritten'Sep 10 06:35
schestowitz-TR2the irc logs will be ready for sure before the usual time of publicationSep 10 06:35
Techrights-secthanksSep 10 06:42
schestowitz-TR2I'm removing the offending line using vi nowSep 10 06:44
schestowitz-TR2the social channel logs are about 10 million lines on this box and 1GB rawSep 10 06:44
schestowitz-TR2those files are still opened habitually as the channels go on, I will wait for irc to get quieterSep 10 06:44
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Techrights-secackSep 10 07:04
schestowitz-TR2the amount of heavy listing done at those time, by about 5 accounts on 3 machines, is largeSep 10 07:06
schestowitz-TR2*liftingSep 10 07:06
schestowitz-TR2but if one thing goes wrong, there's a knock-on effect and then things need to be done manuallySep 10 07:06
schestowitz-TR2almost done with the work on vonick, then I need to rerun things on the pi (for gemini and all)Sep 10 07:06
schestowitz-TR2then techrights-new (rerun ipfs add)Sep 10 07:06
schestowitz-TR2then you will have all the correct hashesSep 10 07:06
Techrights-secackSep 10 07:14
schestowitz-TR2if things go right, it's one minute to check output.textSep 10 07:34
schestowitz-TR2today it's one hour to fixSep 10 07:34
schestowitz-TR2and another chuck of time to double-checkSep 10 07:34
schestowitz-TR2in the future I'll be able to fix it faster thoughSep 10 07:34
Techrights-secokSep 10 07:39
schestowitz-TR2I've been wanting to back up tr-new for a whileSep 10 07:40
schestowitz-TR2however a lot of it is just copies fo files and atm most of the "stuff" is in account-related configsSep 10 07:40
schestowitz-TR2and stuff that's built into the system at a level other than home directoriesSep 10 07:40
schestowitz-TR2sooner or later there will be more to back up thereSep 10 07:40
Techrights-secackSep 10 07:40
Techrights-secyes, though for now I have not paid much attention to it, aside from a Sep 10 07:40
Techrights-secfew preliminary modificationsSep 10 07:40
schestowitz-TR2ok, I think the files are readySep 10 07:44
schestowitz-TR2when you retreieve the ipgs bitsSep 10 07:44
schestowitz-TR2the hash for the bulletin should end with "Lup"Sep 10 07:44
schestowitz-TR2all the files are now updated Sep 10 07:44
schestowitz-TR2I will make backups this weekendSep 10 07:44
schestowitz-TR2but I don't have complete backups of the old sites, I hope you make some alsoSep 10 07:44
schestowitz-TR2I was relieved this morning to grasp what had happened to the post about phoronixSep 10 07:44
schestowitz-TR2at one point I worried that maybe the DB went badSep 10 07:44
Techrights-seccheckingSep 10 07:48
schestowitz-TR2thinking back, after 15 years almost, I probably spent 1000 hours processing IRC stuffSep 10 07:52
schestowitz-TR2not participating, just processingSep 10 07:52
schestowitz-TR2at the start I'd manually copy from logs, save, processSep 10 07:53
schestowitz-TR2nowadays it's a lot faster provided it goes as plannedSep 10 07:53
schestowitz-TR2but IRC outlived all that other stuffSep 10 07:53
schestowitz-TR2commaents, digg, social control mediaSep 10 07:53
Techrights-secackSep 10 07:56
schestowitz-TR2yes, APA's problem to deal withSep 10 08:00
schestowitz-TR2not my problemSep 10 08:00
schestowitz-TR2to me, the part about "lizard" is problematicSep 10 08:00
schestowitz-TR2as in, some idiots might try to claim it's our positiopnSep 10 08:00
schestowitz-TR2so I monitor that BS closely Sep 10 08:00
schestowitz-TR2to avoid such BSSep 10 08:00
schestowitz-TR2thankfully we don't allow commentsSep 10 08:00
schestowitz-TR2some articles would be defaced if every nutcase could leave a comment Sep 10 08:00
Techrights-sechttp://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-090922.html#tSep%2009%2020:31:04Sep 10 08:05
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schestowitz-TR2yes, I was referring to thisSep 10 08:07
schestowitz-TR2it was mentiones partly as a joke in references to royals as wellSep 10 08:07
schestowitz-TR2like I said, I'm monitoring thisSep 10 08:07
schestowitz-TR2it can be mitigated by making it very clear that it's treated as a total farce and jokeSep 10 08:07
schestowitz-TR2even if one person does notSep 10 08:07
schestowitz-TR2in whikch case ridicule on the record helpsSep 10 08:07
schestowitz-TR2same for nazi sympathisersSep 10 08:07
schestowitz-TR2----Sep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2seeing a geerling pick from youSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2I am thinkingSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2he refers to people asd "youtuber"Sep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2but their work is in no way related to youtubeSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2imagine calling politicians "twitterers"Sep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2instead of what they are or supposed to beSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2trump spent many hours "running rhe country" from a shitty vulnerable "app"Sep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2of course all his "work" was later deletedSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2even my replies to him are orphaned tweets nowSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2lots wrong with this worldSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2last night I read that the royal family TWEETED the death of the queenSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2like BillG "tweeted" his divoriceSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2I did not mention this because that same sentence said they tweeted AND make an official statementSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2iow, it was no twitter (us/ksa) "exclusive"Sep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2when they make it exclusive the media coverage will turn into promotion of "tweets" and twitterSep 10 08:13
schestowitz-TR2exacerbating the FOMOSep 10 08:14
schestowitz-TR2"trump" 'broke' a lot of news in twitterSep 10 08:14
schestowitz-TR2so his fans worldwide flocked thereSep 10 08:14
schestowitz-TR2and @potus account was barely usedSep 10 08:14
schestowitz-TR2he knew it was just temporarily hisSep 10 08:14
schestowitz-TR2so he cannot continue running the office after his term is terminatedSep 10 08:14
schestowitz-TR2like stealing papers that inly a seating president is supposed to have access toSep 10 08:14
Techrights-secackSep 10 08:16
Techrights-secI expect they are cognizant of feeding the machine but to what extent are theySep 10 08:16
Techrights-secaware that it's maniuplative powers are outside their grasp and controlled byuSep 10 08:16
Techrights-secothers?    Sep 10 08:16
Techrights-secIIRC the Saudis have restored controlling shares in TwitterSep 10 08:16
Techrights-sec... and then someSep 10 08:16
Techrights-secyes he was not about the office but about his own puffed up egoSep 10 08:16
Techrights-secThere were some tweaks in the sorting order for latest-news.htmlSep 10 08:16
Techrights-secGiven that the sorting happens within the script (Perl instead of SQL)Sep 10 08:16
Techrights-secit is possible to make the algorith even more complex.  Complexity is generallySep 10 08:16
Techrights-secbad but it would make it possible for the modification date to be ignored  Sep 10 08:17
Techrights-secin regards to the sort order for the items below the gap.  Would that improveSep 10 08:17
Techrights-secusability?Sep 10 08:17
schestowitz-TR2yes, I saw thatSep 10 08:19
schestowitz-TR2I thought that horizontal split or vertical split can maybe somehow improve digestionSep 10 08:19
schestowitz-TR2in the old TM there were feeds along the sides and down at the bottom of pagesSep 10 08:19
schestowitz-TR2I don't know how helpful those were to visitors, SEO etc.Sep 10 08:19
schestowitz-TR2but TM, I think, should be about "bang for buck" in ino senseSep 10 08:19
schestowitz-TR2like, how quickly you can grasp what's truly important in the newsSep 10 08:19
schestowitz-TR2clustering of "lesser" news, I think, can helpSep 10 08:19
schestowitz-TR2or setting aside "timeless" howtosSep 10 08:19
Techrights-secThey probably weren't helpful to either.Sep 10 08:19
schestowitz-TR2those bits of the page were partly inherited from susan, at least the general style wasSep 10 08:20
Techrights-secRight now "RIP, Peter Eckersley (UPDATEDx5)" is at the top after the gap, butSep 10 08:21
Techrights-secit is from the 4th.  So maybe it could be at the end of the list?  It was updated recently but not in the last 24 hours and therefore could be sorted by Sep 10 08:21
Techrights-seccreation date rather than modification date.  Thinking outloud on that one.Sep 10 08:21
schestowitz-TR2I updated it less than a day agoSep 10 08:23
schestowitz-TR2people care about the deathSep 10 08:23
schestowitz-TR2I would not call it "hot" newsSep 10 08:23
schestowitz-TR2but that's why there might be room for high-profile newsSep 10 08:23
schestowitz-TR2balanced against "most recent"Sep 10 08:23
schestowitz-TR2afaik,. gulag noise did that too or does it nowSep 10 08:23
schestowitz-TR2so some stoiries bubble up to the top a lotSep 10 08:23
Techrights-secYes, I'm not picking on that title because of the content but simply pickingSep 10 08:24
Techrights-secthe title which happens to be at the top after the gap at this particularSep 10 08:24
Techrights-secmoment in time.  Sep 10 08:24
Techrights-secHow should 'high profile' be tagged and how long should the priority from Sep 10 08:24
Techrights-secthat tagging persist?  Right now, updated items get a boost for 24 hours.Sep 10 08:24
schestowitz-TR2I can tell you how that used to workSep 10 08:27
schestowitz-TR2in drupal, a newly updated item was shown as having "new comments" near the very very very front page at the topSep 10 08:27
schestowitz-TR2so there was a way to see the changeSep 10 08:27
schestowitz-TR2also through "latest comments"Sep 10 08:27
schestowitz-TR2how we handle things going forward, an open questionSep 10 08:27
schestowitz-TR2but there are things that get updated nearly a dozen timesSep 10 08:28
schestowitz-TR2to avoid flooding the site with more and more of the same thingSep 10 08:28
schestowitz-TR2which is sometthing both rianne and I agree can be annoyingSep 10 08:28
schestowitz-TR2like a major ubuntu release flooding everything for many daysSep 10 08:28
schestowitz-TR2so people lose sightg of other, unique newsSep 10 08:28
schestowitz-TR2when accessing social controel media you might goSep 10 08:28
schestowitz-TR2"what da fuck did I just do there? What did I waste time on? I know I did something. But what new stuff did I learn?? Why am I just angry"Sep 10 08:28
schestowitz-TR2so we want to do the opposite of thatSep 10 08:28
schestowitz-TR2no microsoft clickbait and provocation, we filter the BS/noise/PRSep 10 08:28
schestowitz-TR2and high return on timeSep 10 08:28
Techrights-secAh. That is a bug.  That post was updated less than 24 hours ago and appearsSep 10 08:28
Techrights-secbelow the gap.  The date calculation is in error.Sep 10 08:28
schestowitz-TR2the provocation apor noise is also a negative strtategySep 10 08:29
schestowitz-TR2in mass manipulatingSep 10 08:29
schestowitz-TR2distracting from somthingSep 10 08:29
schestowitz-TR2or getting people angry, en masse, over thingsSep 10 08:29
schestowitz-TR2also see: brigadingSep 10 08:29
schestowitz-TR2outrage culture, cancel cultureSep 10 08:29
schestowitz-TR2this has caused many suicides already (my dad said the same)Sep 10 08:29
Techrights-secGood idea to de-escalate things like that, or at least attempt to.Sep 10 08:32
Techrights-secAd-based culture is already supersaturated with fear.Sep 10 08:32
schestowitz-TR2insecuritySep 10 08:32
Techrights-secThat is a type of fear.  Fear develops into anger according to some models.Sep 10 08:41
Techrights-secIf it is allowed to fester untreated for too long.  Remember that the youngerSep 10 08:41
Techrights-secthe target of the effects is, the more permanent impact the manipulation has.Sep 10 08:41
Techrights-secThe emotional damage, including stunting, and (mis-)socialization afflictingSep 10 08:41
Techrights-secthe current crop of teens has removed them from the societies they would haveSep 10 08:41
Techrights-secotherwise grown to become part of.  They are lost.  They may speak the localSep 10 08:41
Techrights-seclanguage but they are not, and can no longer, become part of that society    Sep 10 08:41
Techrights-sechaving been acculturated by Tiktok or whatever instead.  Sep 10 08:41
schestowitz-TR2interesting, i never thought too much along those themesSep 10 08:42
Techrights-sec  Sep 10 08:51
Techrights-secIt's unfortunate and may be a civilization-ending public health problem. Sep 10 08:51
Techrights-secThose that have not been afflicted with smartphones yet have a chanceSep 10 08:51
Techrights-secif their parents can collectively find a way out of having to assignSep 10 08:51
Techrights-seca smartphone (and its associated skinner box-like "apps") to the next crop.Sep 10 08:51
Techrights-secBut they are small and growing fast all the while their parents are moreSep 10 08:51
Techrights-secand more addicted to the hand-held skinner boxes themselves, and thoughtlesslySep 10 08:51
Techrights-sechanding a small one a smartphone is currently considered an acceptable waySep 10 08:51
Techrights-secto pacify them.  No wonder ADHD and other problems are enhanced these days.Sep 10 08:51
schestowitz-TR2in hindsight:Sep 10 08:53
schestowitz-TR2i was 19 when my aunt in FL bought me a Palm PDASep 10 08:53
schestowitz-TR2at first it helped me organisedSep 10 08:53
schestowitz-TR2then it started to control my lifeSep 10 08:53
schestowitz-TR2at some stage I recognised it had downsides tooSep 10 08:53
schestowitz-TR2it has not controlled my life in a very long timeSep 10 08:53
schestowitz-TR2but this is not the same thing at all, except it's a handheld in the pocketSep 10 08:53
schestowitz-TR2it's more like diary and todo, not FOMO and "likes"Sep 10 08:53
schestowitz-TR2so I guess one is a lot more addictive and has little practical gainSep 10 08:53
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Techrights-secackSep 10 09:12
Techrights-secAnd the PDA was not actively, adaptively modifying your values, mores, ideas,Sep 10 09:12
Techrights-secand emotions real-time.  Remember that many (most?) teens are probably wastingSep 10 09:12
Techrights-secaround five or six hours per day being programmed by those dis-services.  Sep 10 09:12
Techrights-secSubjectively time is experienced quite differently the younger you are and soSep 10 09:12
Techrights-secthose hours in a teen are probably the behavioral equivalent to days or weeksSep 10 09:12
Techrights-secin an adult or older person.  Sep 10 09:12
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schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> "'Quiet Fleecing' of US Workers" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/09/analysis-shows-quiet-fleecing-us-workers-not-quiet-quitting-real-problem | Source: Common DreamsSep 10 11:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Analysis Shows 'Quiet Fleecing' of US Workers—Not 'Quiet Quitting'—Is the Real ProblemSep 10 11:34
schestowitz-TR2relevant to the blame-shifting that we spoke aboutSep 10 11:34
schestowitz-TR2reminds me of "great resignation;"Sep 10 11:34
Techrights-secackSep 10 11:34
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schestowitz-TR2i spent (don't want to use the word "wasted") another half an hourSep 10 11:52
schestowitz-TR2rectiofying something with rirc logs in gewmini://Sep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2at least some lessons learnedSep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2been a plot more productiuve (the day) sinceSep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2many incidents todaySep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2inc. rianne having to reboot after kwin crashed (rare)Sep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2spoke to my dad, mostly agreeing about the state of the economySep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2told him rianne got 100%Sep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2they don't say, but she knew all the questions and was confident  Sep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2it looks like we've done all the work at our end, now it's mostly waiting aheadSep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2and so this morning rianne posted half a dozen pages in TMSep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2let me know when you feel like the image uploader is read and/or can be added to the workflow Sep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2I've meanwhile decided to participate a bit less in irc so as to focus more on videos and articlesSep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2starting today it'll be more productive againSep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2put some more urgent things behind, notable rianne's papersSep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2*notablySep 10 11:53
schestowitz-TR2---Sep 10 12:06
schestowitz-TR2btw, there was two visits to the lawyer's office yesterdaySep 10 12:06
schestowitz-TR2solicitor, attorney,w hateverSep 10 12:06
schestowitz-TR2there's a paralegal ana assiatent tooSep 10 12:06
schestowitz-TR2they're of HK origin, I thinkSep 10 12:06
schestowitz-TR2the second visit was rianne onlySep 10 12:06
schestowitz-TR2as she needed to bring in some additional papersSep 10 12:06
schestowitz-TR2power of attorney my passport etc. and I think we're done nowSep 10 12:06
schestowitz-TR2the rest can be done digitallySep 10 12:06
schestowitz-TR2i told rianne they don't need to confirm she got 100% if she knew all the questions and the knowledge acquired ius valuable and relevant anywaySep 10 12:06
schestowitz-TR2she knows the british system and history far better than me nowSep 10 12:06
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Techrights-secackSep 10 12:10
Techrights-secThe image re-scaler is probably ok, but the aminated GIF problem raised someSep 10 12:10
Techrights-secquestions.  Will there be a lot of animated GIFs?       Sep 10 12:10
Techrights-secNice once that is finally all settled.Sep 10 12:10
schestowitz-TR2animated gifs always seemed not to work right because the process is likely complexSep 10 12:10
schestowitz-TR2de-assembling frame and then assembling new onesSep 10 12:10
schestowitz-TR2I just messed around with itSep 10 12:10
schestowitz-TR2in the more distant mast I hotlinkedSep 10 12:10
schestowitz-TR2last night I just wget the originalsSep 10 12:10
schestowitz-TR2and now came the resizerSep 10 12:10
schestowitz-TR2and the risizing is what caused wrong outputSep 10 12:10
schestowitz-TR2before doing the real damage of crashing my machineSep 10 12:10
schestowitz-TR2of course I hurried to remove that from the page, tooSep 10 12:10
schestowitz-TR2---Sep 10 12:12
schestowitz-TR2the paperwork is a onc-in-a-lifetime thing, not just a passportSep 10 12:12
schestowitz-TR2I'd not spend as much time ona  visa or passportSep 10 12:12
schestowitz-TR2in fact, I'd rather avoid countries that require a visa because of ratio between pursuing visa and being there (time spent can be almost the same!)Sep 10 12:12
schestowitz-TR2--Sep 10 12:16
schestowitz-TR2on to a less personal topic, so discussed the whole kids and news and economy thing, ...Sep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2my dad views kids as zombies now.Sep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2he mentioned "fotnight" (I read about it, never assessed if 'firsthand')Sep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2dad is not smart, but compensates for it with carSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2the demise of the news is felt, the weakening of kids, apparently there's also the angle ofSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2making kids more feminise, lowering the chance of challenge from the lower classSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2*deminine/affiminateSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2*not sure about spelling, does not matterSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2passive workers and the false narrative is discussed in irc atm (or was discussed)Sep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2*compensates with cars, not carSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2he sees today's young kids glued to "smart" phones, which worries him and the parentsSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2maybe younger parents cannot see what the issue isSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2*cars -> careSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2typo after typoSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2he's OK, but his insights are never very specialSep 10 12:18
schestowitz-TR2his grandkids are unable to communicate properlySep 10 12:18
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Techrights-sec"Fortnight" is not a game but a social media event."Sep 10 12:29
Techrights-secMany kids entering school / kindergarten do not have basic motor controlSep 10 12:29
Techrights-secskills.  Even many older kids, such as those entering pre-med at university.Sep 10 12:29
Techrights-secold: https://boingboing.net/2019/10/26/future-tense.htmlSep 10 12:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-boingboing.net | "Affordances": a new science fiction story that climbs the terrible technology adoption curve | Boing BoingSep 10 12:29
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schestowitz"A new science fiction story about how technical restrictions start with powerless people before coming for us all."Sep 10 12:30
schestowitzspy metets, self-service...Sep 10 12:30
schestowitz-TR2--a theme that keeps coming back, also to TR Sep 10 12:31
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schestowitz-TR2[11:58] <DaemonFC> The last people to admit it are bankers and government officials.Sep 10 12:32
schestowitz-TR2[11:59] <DaemonFC> Workers notice that they can't find a job, but the media portrays it as "losers who don't want one".Sep 10 12:32
schestowitz-TR2[11:59] <DaemonFC> "Great Resignation. Quiet Qutting.Sep 10 12:32
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> Microsoft-funded sites keep pushing this narrative; Linux typically has nothing to do with the malware, which gets put there some other way. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/new-linux-malware-combines-unusual-stealth-with-a-full-suite-of-capabilities/Sep 10 12:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | New Linux malware combines unusual stealth with a full suite of capabilities | Ars TechnicaSep 10 12:32
Techrights-secackSep 10 12:35
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schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> Those systems need to be infected in the first place, and not the fault of "Linux" https://www.securityweek.com/new-shikitega-linux-malware-grabs-complete-control-infected-systemsSep 10 13:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-New 'Shikitega' Linux Malware Grabs Complete Control of Infected Systems | SecurityWeek.ComSep 10 13:19
schestowitz-TR2-TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- New 'Shikitega' Linux Malware Grabs Complete Control of Infected Systems | SecurityWeek.ComSep 10 13:19
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> "AT&T didn't say how the initial infection occurs" https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/10/in_brief_security/ better find out the actual cause of breach, and it's not likely to be LinuxSep 10 13:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Shape-shifting cryptominer savaging Linux endpoints and IoT • The RegisterSep 10 13:19
schestowitz-TR2thought about doing a video, but this covers a pattern we covered several times beforeSep 10 13:20
schestowitz-TR2if you can suggest a topic, it'll helpSep 10 13:20
schestowitz-TR2net rating a bit outside my confort sozeSep 10 13:20
schestowitz-TR2no firsthand experienceSep 10 13:20
schestowitz-TR2*comfort zoneSep 10 13:20
Techrights-secackSep 10 13:37
Techrights-secNet neutrality is always under threat.Sep 10 13:37
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Techrights-secThe question is which angle to discuss it from.  Sep 10 14:04
schestowitz-TR2never mind, i got some new epo materialSep 10 14:05
schestowitz-TR2OTA  Sep 10 14:05
schestowitz-TR2(michael west site became useless unless you want to read AP/AAP with a different theme)Sep 10 14:05
Techrights-secYes, I check the Michael West site but it is just wire feed content.  Sep 10 14:07
schestowitz-TR2I still cull all the stuff matching "AAP"Sep 10 14:08
schestowitz-TR2but even afetr that, linking to the site if it's an AP syndication/content farmSep 10 14:08
schestowitz-TR2basically send traffic to AP, not to Michael West Sep 10 14:08
schestowitz-TR2in which case, it'll be like sending traffic to the spammers at geeks4geeksSep 10 14:08
schestowitz-TR2or to spamnil's spamfarm for that matterSep 10 14:09
schestowitz-TR2or various redmond sitesSep 10 14:09
Techrights-secI'm considering stopping checking it at all. Sep 10 14:09
Techrights-secHe used to write very good material.Sep 10 14:09
schestowitz-TR2the top of the site still says "Independent Journalists"Sep 10 14:10
schestowitz-TR2but below that there's staff of APSep 10 14:10
schestowitz-TR2if you don't play close attentionSep 10 14:10
schestowitz-TR2so it's misportraying what's there nowSep 10 14:10
schestowitz-TR2OTASep 10 14:10
schestowitz-TR2for now I'll wait a bit and reserve judgementSep 10 14:10
schestowitz-TR2they might come aroundSep 10 14:10
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schestowitz"Sep 10 14:50
schestowitz ILOAT Judgment 4551 on mass emails - Waiting for executionSep 10 14:50
schestowitzDear colleagues,Sep 10 14:50
schestowitzAs already explained in a letter of 29 July 2022, there is no legal or technical requirements preventing the EPO from granting authorisation to Staff Committees and their members to use the EPO mailing lists. In fact, granting authorisation is technically a matter of seconds for the EPO internal IT services (BIT) and could have been easily done already immediately after the Judgment was issued.Sep 10 14:50
schestowitzThe EPO has not executed Judgment No. 4551 two months after the ruling of the Tribunal. In this open letter, the Central and the four Local Staff Committees demand the immediate execution of Judgment No. 4551 and no later than 30 September 2022.Sep 10 14:50
schestowitzThe Central Staff Committee - CSCSep 10 14:50
schestowitz"Sep 10 14:50
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schestowitz-TR2anger over epo corruption is building up againSep 10 15:19
schestowitz-TR2of course politicians don't life a fingerSep 10 15:19
schestowitz-TR28*liftSep 10 15:19
Techrights-secackSep 10 15:42
Techrights-secWhat would it take, besides bribes, for EU representatives to begin to Sep 10 15:42
Techrights-secexamine the EPO disaster?Sep 10 15:42
schestowitz-TR2darftSep 10 15:53
schestowitz-TR2it's hopelessSep 10 15:53
schestowitz-TR2expanding acronymsSep 10 15:53
Techrights-seccheckingSep 10 16:08
Techrights-secJust be sure to expand acronyms once in the text itself, please.Sep 10 16:08
Techrights-secthanks! Sep 10 16:08
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schestowitz-TR2mozilla is a fiasco Sep 10 17:13
schestowitz-TR2dreaftSep 10 17:13
Techrights-secMore details about the warning given by thunderbird would be interesting.Sep 10 17:13
Techrights-secNotice that their links is to AWS and not to Mozilla.  Sep 10 17:13
Techrights-secMore can be said about the embargo or lack thereof.Sep 10 17:13
schestowitz-TR2thanks, I have amended it with more infoSep 10 17:24
schestowitz-TR2I could say more, but am being a little lazy about itSep 10 17:24
schestowitz-TR2and being from SF, they had to add that genderphobic BS to the emailSep 10 17:24
schestowitz-TR2like I don't know cherie is the name of a girlSep 10 17:24
Techrights-secthanks! Sep 10 17:26
Techrights-seccheckingSep 10 17:26
Techrights-secthanks! Sep 10 17:26
Techrights-seccheckingSep 10 17:26
schestowitz-TR2I need more topics tbh, email is mostly spamSep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2notice how often hause of saud bribes people for silenceSep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2like the families of victimsSep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2or whistleblowersSep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2here, they buy the politiciansSep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2so the corrollary is,Sep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2if you do the crime, don't do the timeSep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2just pay the people who can hold you accountableSep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2it worksSep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2football is all postponedSep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2I told you it's taken VERY seriously hereSep 10 17:31
schestowitz-TR2you can see many .uk sites going "dark"Sep 10 17:31
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schestowitz-TR2she is a relic from BE (empire's era)Sep 10 17:49
schestowitz-TR2and her existenceSep 10 17:49
schestowitz-TR2helps justified some people's sense of entitlement Sep 10 17:49
schestowitz-TR2not just naked nationalismSep 10 17:49
schestowitz-TR2and she is not coming backSep 10 17:50
schestowitz-TR2her kids are already tarnishedSep 10 17:50
Techrights-secLookingSep 10 17:50
schestowitz-TR2financial issues, inc. parents'Sep 10 17:53
schestowitz-TR2that's likely a bigger factorSep 10 17:53
schestowitz-TR2set aside climate issues, hose price, job propsectsSep 10 17:53
schestowitz-TR2*houseSep 10 17:53
Techrights-secMozilla won't remove or let you remove that Pocket crap.Sep 10 17:53
Techrights-secTechdirt has some article on twitter politics  Sep 10 17:53
Techrights-secTechDirt has had its 25th anniversary, https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/09/last-chance-to-join-us-for-the-techdirt-25th-anniversary-party/Sep 10 17:53
Techrights-seccongratulations on the /tech/ coverageSep 10 17:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Last Chance To Join Us For The Techdirt 25th Anniversary Party! | TechdirtSep 10 17:53
Techrights-secOne of Louis Rossmann's videos had direct mention of FOSSSep 10 17:57
Techrights-secrecently.Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz-TR2his fight has not been in the headlines for yearsSep 10 17:58
schestowitz-TR2he must adaptSep 10 17:58
Techrights-secThere is overlap between right to repair, doctrine of first sale, andSep 10 18:00
Techrights-secsoftware freedom.  Sep 10 18:00
schestowitz-TR2I posted some of his latetss, from daily links, and also all the above-mentioned from techdirtSep 10 18:00
schestowitz-TR2I don't see the ads~spam from techdirtSep 10 18:00
schestowitz-TR2michael geist was active for a whole, then he disappears for agesSep 10 18:00
schestowitz-TR2no consistent momnetumSep 10 18:00
Techrights-secNot entirely, it is 1) gaining ground albeit unevenly and 2) raising awarenessSep 10 18:03
Techrights-secof the /necessity/ of software freedom among an entirely new and different baseSep 10 18:03
Techrights-secthan traditional software developers and hardcore power usersSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2the way I see it, the terms change, the trends are wavesSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2like swpatsSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2patent trollsSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2then other framingsSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2the media chooses how to frame it for the massesSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2maybe now social control media tooSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2and lobbying 'events'Sep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2so one must keep upSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2right to repair is seen as yesterday's battleSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2same for NNSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2and swpatsSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2you can still write like FSFSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2but even FSF no longer writes like FSFSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2now it's "HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI"Sep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2same in OSI siteSep 10 18:03
schestowitz-TR2HEY HI all the timeSep 10 18:03
Techrights-secSocial control media exisits for mass manipulation of public opinion and toSep 10 18:04
Techrights-secpoison attitudes against specific positions.  Softeware freedom is one.  Sep 10 18:04
Techrights-secThe doctrine of first sale is another (right to repair).  'Sep 10 18:04
schestowitz-TR2it changes how people speak and WHAT they speak aboutSep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2hence, algospeak'Sep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2the thing to do, therefore, is ignore it altogetherSep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2flush it downSep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2speak about the REAL issuesSep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2the social control media's REAL owners' goal is to distract from such issuesSep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2like they bury some biden scandalsSep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2and even admit itSep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2that's also frames as a binary choice; 'bash' biden, that makes you pro-trump naziSep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2or "election denier"Sep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2(person who rejects proprietary abck-dooed voting 'PCs')Sep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2that you can buy from ebay to reverse-engineerSep 10 18:06
Techrights-secYes Newspeak.  Sep 10 18:06
Techrights-sechttps://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/more-tech-support/201403/the-new-skinner-box-web-and-mobile-analyticsSep 10 18:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.psychologytoday.com | The New Skinner Box: Web and Mobile Analytics | Psychology TodaySep 10 18:06
schestowitz-TR2take my words for it: they are a fad Sep 10 18:08
schestowitz-TR2"smart" mobile "phones", social control mediaSep 10 18:08
schestowitz-TR2some gamesSep 10 18:08
schestowitz-TR2my dad is clueless about most tech, but he too can see endless harmSep 10 18:08
schestowitz-TR2hence he keeps some distance (and he worked his whole life selling electronics!)Sep 10 18:08
schestowitz-TR2society will rebel against at least some of these thingsSep 10 18:08
Techrights-secThe endless harm won't bring about an end to Facebook or its properties norSep 10 18:09
Techrights-secto the smartphones, rather it is a factor in prolonging their painful existenceSep 10 18:09
schestowitz-TR2with narcoticsSep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2the addicted die younger, alarming the restSep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2those who become addicted to ewaste shit will perish and vanishSep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2annd they don't have much pourchasingf power, eitherSep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2the mistake we make is,Sep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2we sometimes think we can 'help' themSep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2but they are addictsSep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2and our 6 minutes of plaetings are beaten by 6 hours a day with fake 'friends'Sep 10 18:12
Techrights-seccancel and trollSep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2who are just used as pawns and avataar by mass manipulation companies that hire psychs to enhance the dependabilitySep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2either way, if we stick to the issues, and if we foster young rebels, there's hope counter-momvements will growSep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2then yuo have idiots on meds like mr. gulag trying to 'cancel' those who do pave the way Sep 10 18:12
schestowitz-TR2those trolls have very limited shelf liefeSep 10 18:14
schestowitz-TR2they're discarded/.disploased by oligarchs who hold their stringsSep 10 18:14
schestowitz-TR2becausee each round of trolling makes them enemiesSep 10 18:14
schestowitz-TR2then they 'leave' kernel devSep 10 18:14
schestowitz-TR2after like 10 years wasted, learning the APIs but pissing off all the colleaguesSep 10 18:15
schestowitz-TR2not just gulag but also nnot-so-shaprSep 10 18:15
schestowitz-TR2who not build a a career in trollling at SFCSep 10 18:15
schestowitz-TR2*now buildsSep 10 18:15
Techrights-sechttps://www.theregister.com/2022/09/09/mozilla_cso_ftc_surveillance/Sep 10 18:15
Techrights-sechttps://www.ftc.gov/news-events/events/2022/09/commercial-surveillance-data-security-anpr-public-forumSep 10 18:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Mozilla wants FTC to fine Big Tech's surveillance giants • The RegisterSep 10 18:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ftc.gov | Commercial Surveillance and Data Security Public Forum | Federal Trade CommissionSep 10 18:15
schestowitzhttps://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwinSep 10 18:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cyberlaw.stanford.edu | Marshall Erwin | Center for Internet and SocietySep 10 18:16
schestowitz-TR2checking where erwin came from..Sep 10 18:16
schestowitz-TR2 https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwinSep 10 18:16
Techrights-sec"Marshall began his career in the intelligence community, where ..."Sep 10 18:20
Techrights-sechttps://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwin?qt-tabs_user_related=2#qt-tabs_user_relatedSep 10 18:20
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cyberlaw.stanford.edu | Marshall Erwin | Center for Internet and SocietySep 10 18:20
schestowitz-TR2Hitler started his career as a defence workerSep 10 18:20
schestowitz-TR2(artillery)Sep 10 18:20
schestowitz-TR2sorrySep 10 18:20
schestowitz-TR2the "defence COMMUNITY"Sep 10 18:20
schestowitz-TR2it does not say which agency he was in, but they mention LibyaSep 10 18:20
schestowitz-TR2he could just as well be a CIA hire for mozilla Sep 10 18:20
schestowitz-TR2like github hired from NSA to CSO of GitHubSep 10 18:20
schestowitz-TR2which would show how closely connected mozilla became to the State (capitalised)Sep 10 18:20
schestowitz-TR2can you find out which "Company" is "intelligence community"Sep 10 18:22
schestowitz-TR2there is ther jokeSep 10 18:22
schestowitz-TR2that CIA is known as "the Company"Sep 10 18:22
schestowitz-TR2also we need to be sure what year he was hired and whether there was another employer in betweenSep 10 18:22
schestowitz-TR2aka "cool-off" periodsSep 10 18:22
Techrights-sechttps://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwin?qt-tabs_user_related=2#qt-tabs_user_relatedSep 10 18:23
Techrights-sechttps://docs.house.gov/meetings/HA/HA00/20220216/114403/HHRG-117-HA00-Bio-ErwinM-20220216.pdfSep 10 18:23
Techrights-sec*The* CompanySep 10 18:23
Techrights-sec"I spent roughly the first five years of my career in the CIAs ..."Sep 10 18:23
Techrights-sechttps://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/marshall-erwin-trust/Sep 10 18:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.mozilla.org | Rapid Fire: Marshall Erwin talks trust and security at Mozilla and FirefoxSep 10 18:23
Techrights-sec"He joined the company six years ago..."Sep 10 18:23
Techrights-sechttps://www.protocol.com/mozilla-employeesSep 10 18:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ex-Mozilla employees lead the tech reform charge - ProtocolSep 10 18:23
schestowitz-TR2the libya thing was not long beforehandSep 10 18:26
Techrights-secackSep 10 18:26
schestowitz-TR2draft Sep 10 18:46
schestowitz-TR2still working on itSep 10 18:46
schestowitz-TR2it'll be a good ref in the futureSep 10 18:46
schestowitz-TR2notice they only added CIA later in an update to their postSep 10 18:46
schestowitz-TR2maybe it was intentionally timedSep 10 18:46
schestowitz-TR2to be missedSep 10 18:46
Techrights-secThere's little/no content in the text part?Sep 10 18:46
Techrights-secackSep 10 18:46
Techrights-secs/trustowrthy/trustworthy/Sep 10 18:46
schestowitz-TR2i think I will do a vieo about it, citing the images, then do textSep 10 18:48
schestowitz-TR2my question about where he came fromSep 10 18:48
schestowitz-TR2was based on past patterns I noticedSep 10 18:48
schestowitz-TR2and then you wonder why those MFers aree pushing the CA artel down our throatsSep 10 18:48
schestowitz-TR2for all I know, Moz is GAFAM and stateSep 10 18:48
schestowitz-TR2not 'free' softwareSep 10 18:48
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Techrights-secackSep 10 18:59
Techrights-secThe CA model they uses facilitates MitMSep 10 18:59
Techrights-secespecially with their antipathy towards self-vouched for certificates.Sep 10 18:59
Techrights-secThey are especially state, then after that Google specifically thoughSep 10 18:59
Techrights-secpandering to M$ a lot.Sep 10 18:59
Techrights-sechttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/08/0113234#1270987Sep 10 18:59
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-soylentnews.org | Honoring Peter Eckersley, Who Made the Internet a Safer Place for Everyone - SoylentNewsSep 10 18:59
schestowitz-TR2he was friends with Daniel P.Sep 10 19:11
schestowitz-TR2If it was not cancer, you'd be able to make up or come up with theoriesSep 10 19:11
schestowitz-TR2anyway, his intentions were good at firstSep 10 19:11
schestowitz-TR2in recent years we saw Gulag et al treating sites not controlled by THEM like they're a bunch of lepersSep 10 19:11
schestowitz-TR2"get me out of here!"Sep 10 19:11
schestowitz-TR2failing that, zero rating ;-)Sep 10 19:11
schestowitz-TR2I wonder but did not check which CA the FSF outsources services toSep 10 19:11
schestowitz-TR2making a memeSep 10 19:29
schestowitz-TR2hopefully not over the topSep 10 19:29
schestowitz-TR2humour never killed anyoneSep 10 19:29
Techrights-secackSep 10 19:29
schestowitz-TR2many orgs are being defangSep 10 19:32
schestowitz-TR2metaphorically getting their dicks removedSep 10 19:32
schestowitz-TR2and projects, orgs, communities orphanedSep 10 19:32
schestowitz-TR2RMS, EFF, Moz...Sep 10 19:32
schestowitz-TR2what's left is a relic without charisma or clueSep 10 19:32
schestowitz-TR2I choose to think what happend to freenode too is a misfortunate turn of eventsSep 10 19:32
schestowitz-TR2there is an NDA ending next year iircSep 10 19:32
schestowitz-TR2phanes then has some stories to tellSep 10 19:32
Techrights-secackSep 10 19:32
Techrights-sechttps://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/sanford-and-son-star-redd-foxxs-death-sadly-imitated-his-sitcom-shtick.html/Sep 10 19:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cheatsheet.com | 'Sanford and Son' Star Redd Foxx's Death Sadly Imitated His Sitcom ShtickSep 10 19:32
Techrights-secHopefully those dumb enough to have signed the NDA will speak up then.Sep 10 19:32
schestowitz-TR2andrew tried to hire me alsoSep 10 19:34
schestowitz-TR2and kaniiniSep 10 19:34
schestowitz-TR2we turned that downSep 10 19:34
Techrights-secThankfully so.Sep 10 19:36
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Techrights-sechttps://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/Sep 10 20:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.patrick-breyer.de | Chat Control – Patrick BreyerSep 10 20:34
mjg59_schestowitz-TR2: On meds?Sep 10 20:36
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