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| schestowitz-TR2 | something a bit troubling happened today | Sep 10 06:05 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | which shows a weakness in wordpress | Sep 10 06:05 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in the bulletin I noticed one post missing | Sep 10 06:05 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as it turns out, after a lot of investigation | Sep 10 06:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | when the browser was restored following the reboot | Sep 10 06:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the next node would rewrite the previous | Sep 10 06:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as it was still 'stuck' on an old post_id | Sep 10 06:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | thankfully fixing that was easy | Sep 10 06:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but it never happened to me before | Sep 10 06:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | basically one node I published overrode the previous | Sep 10 06:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | instead of making a new one | Sep 10 06:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | issue solved, at least I know what actually happened | Sep 10 06:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | --- | Sep 10 06:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | wait, another technical issue/bug, this time with IRC logs | Sep 10 06:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | do not touch the files yet, I need to diagnose and regenerate them | Sep 10 06:09 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | two incidents in one morning, but I have time to cope | Sep 10 06:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | seems like some binary crap got into the irc log files | Sep 10 06:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'm investigating | Sep 10 06:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | this will take at least an hour to fully fix | Sep 10 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | say you have a text file with some binary junk somewhere | Sep 10 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | how would you pin-point it | Sep 10 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | kate can see there is inavblid char but does not say where | Sep 10 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | is there a text editor you can that can highlight it? | Sep 10 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I need to remove it, I suspect it's in one of the IRC links | Sep 10 06:26 |
| Techrights-sec | maybe vi ? | Sep 10 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will try | Sep 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | oh, I think you were right | Sep 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | seems the system crash and reboot caused it | Sep 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | which I guess makes sense | Sep 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I could not shut down cleanly | Sep 10 06:31 |
| Techrights-sec | :( | Sep 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | all because of the generated smaller gif | Sep 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but I caught this issue because of some sanity checks | Sep 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | workign to fix this now | Sep 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | upsides: | Sep 10 06:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we won't make smaller gifs anymore | Sep 10 06:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we caught the issue | Sep 10 06:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we seem to have fixed everything seems | Sep 10 06:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | machine rebooted back OK | Sep 10 06:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | main downsize was loss of time | Sep 10 06:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | likewise, I fixed the post issue | Sep 10 06:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but one article was offline for half a day, the phoronix one | Sep 10 06:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | because it was 'overwritten' | Sep 10 06:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the irc logs will be ready for sure before the usual time of publication | Sep 10 06:35 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks | Sep 10 06:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'm removing the offending line using vi now | Sep 10 06:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the social channel logs are about 10 million lines on this box and 1GB raw | Sep 10 06:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | those files are still opened habitually as the channels go on, I will wait for irc to get quieter | Sep 10 06:44 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 | Sep 10 06:49 | |
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Sep 10 06:49 | |
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| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 07:04 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the amount of heavy listing done at those time, by about 5 accounts on 3 machines, is large | Sep 10 07:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *lifting | Sep 10 07:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but if one thing goes wrong, there's a knock-on effect and then things need to be done manually | Sep 10 07:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | almost done with the work on vonick, then I need to rerun things on the pi (for gemini and all) | Sep 10 07:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | then techrights-new (rerun ipfs add) | Sep 10 07:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | then you will have all the correct hashes | Sep 10 07:06 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 07:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if things go right, it's one minute to check output.text | Sep 10 07:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | today it's one hour to fix | Sep 10 07:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and another chuck of time to double-check | Sep 10 07:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in the future I'll be able to fix it faster though | Sep 10 07:34 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Sep 10 07:39 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've been wanting to back up tr-new for a while | Sep 10 07:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | however a lot of it is just copies fo files and atm most of the "stuff" is in account-related configs | Sep 10 07:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and stuff that's built into the system at a level other than home directories | Sep 10 07:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | sooner or later there will be more to back up there | Sep 10 07:40 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 07:40 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, though for now I have not paid much attention to it, aside from a | Sep 10 07:40 |
| Techrights-sec | few preliminary modifications | Sep 10 07:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ok, I think the files are ready | Sep 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | when you retreieve the ipgs bits | Sep 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the hash for the bulletin should end with "Lup" | Sep 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | all the files are now updated | Sep 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will make backups this weekend | Sep 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but I don't have complete backups of the old sites, I hope you make some also | Sep 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I was relieved this morning to grasp what had happened to the post about phoronix | Sep 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | at one point I worried that maybe the DB went bad | Sep 10 07:44 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | thinking back, after 15 years almost, I probably spent 1000 hours processing IRC stuff | Sep 10 07:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not participating, just processing | Sep 10 07:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | at the start I'd manually copy from logs, save, process | Sep 10 07:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | nowadays it's a lot faster provided it goes as planned | Sep 10 07:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but IRC outlived all that other stuff | Sep 10 07:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | commaents, digg, social control media | Sep 10 07:53 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 07:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | yes, APA's problem to deal with | Sep 10 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not my problem | Sep 10 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | to me, the part about "lizard" is problematic | Sep 10 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as in, some idiots might try to claim it's our positiopn | Sep 10 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so I monitor that BS closely | Sep 10 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | to avoid such BS | Sep 10 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | thankfully we don't allow comments | Sep 10 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | some articles would be defaced if every nutcase could leave a comment | Sep 10 08:00 |
| Techrights-sec | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-090922.html#tSep%2009%2020:31:04 | Sep 10 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 09, 2022 | Sep 10 08:05 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | yes, I was referring to this | Sep 10 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it was mentiones partly as a joke in references to royals as well | Sep 10 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like I said, I'm monitoring this | Sep 10 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it can be mitigated by making it very clear that it's treated as a total farce and joke | Sep 10 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | even if one person does not | Sep 10 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in whikch case ridicule on the record helps | Sep 10 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | same for nazi sympathisers | Sep 10 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ---- | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | seeing a geerling pick from you | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I am thinking | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he refers to people asd "youtuber" | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but their work is in no way related to youtube | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | imagine calling politicians "twitterers" | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | instead of what they are or supposed to be | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | trump spent many hours "running rhe country" from a shitty vulnerable "app" | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | of course all his "work" was later deleted | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | even my replies to him are orphaned tweets now | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | lots wrong with this world | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | last night I read that the royal family TWEETED the death of the queen | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like BillG "tweeted" his divorice | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I did not mention this because that same sentence said they tweeted AND make an official statement | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | iow, it was no twitter (us/ksa) "exclusive" | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | when they make it exclusive the media coverage will turn into promotion of "tweets" and twitter | Sep 10 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | exacerbating the FOMO | Sep 10 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "trump" 'broke' a lot of news in twitter | Sep 10 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so his fans worldwide flocked there | Sep 10 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and @potus account was barely used | Sep 10 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he knew it was just temporarily his | Sep 10 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so he cannot continue running the office after his term is terminated | Sep 10 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like stealing papers that inly a seating president is supposed to have access to | Sep 10 08:14 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | I expect they are cognizant of feeding the machine but to what extent are they | Sep 10 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | aware that it's maniuplative powers are outside their grasp and controlled byu | Sep 10 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | others? | Sep 10 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | IIRC the Saudis have restored controlling shares in Twitter | Sep 10 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | ... and then some | Sep 10 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | yes he was not about the office but about his own puffed up ego | Sep 10 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | There were some tweaks in the sorting order for latest-news.html | Sep 10 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | Given that the sorting happens within the script (Perl instead of SQL) | Sep 10 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | it is possible to make the algorith even more complex. Complexity is generally | Sep 10 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec | bad but it would make it possible for the modification date to be ignored | Sep 10 08:17 |
| Techrights-sec | in regards to the sort order for the items below the gap. Would that improve | Sep 10 08:17 |
| Techrights-sec | usability? | Sep 10 08:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | yes, I saw that | Sep 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I thought that horizontal split or vertical split can maybe somehow improve digestion | Sep 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in the old TM there were feeds along the sides and down at the bottom of pages | Sep 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I don't know how helpful those were to visitors, SEO etc. | Sep 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but TM, I think, should be about "bang for buck" in ino sense | Sep 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like, how quickly you can grasp what's truly important in the news | Sep 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | clustering of "lesser" news, I think, can help | Sep 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or setting aside "timeless" howtos | Sep 10 08:19 |
| Techrights-sec | They probably weren't helpful to either. | Sep 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | those bits of the page were partly inherited from susan, at least the general style was | Sep 10 08:20 |
| Techrights-sec | Right now "RIP, Peter Eckersley (UPDATEDx5)" is at the top after the gap, but | Sep 10 08:21 |
| Techrights-sec | it is from the 4th. So maybe it could be at the end of the list? It was updated recently but not in the last 24 hours and therefore could be sorted by | Sep 10 08:21 |
| Techrights-sec | creation date rather than modification date. Thinking outloud on that one. | Sep 10 08:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I updated it less than a day ago | Sep 10 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | people care about the death | Sep 10 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I would not call it "hot" news | Sep 10 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but that's why there might be room for high-profile news | Sep 10 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | balanced against "most recent" | Sep 10 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | afaik,. gulag noise did that too or does it now | Sep 10 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so some stoiries bubble up to the top a lot | Sep 10 08:23 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, I'm not picking on that title because of the content but simply picking | Sep 10 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | the title which happens to be at the top after the gap at this particular | Sep 10 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | moment in time. | Sep 10 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | How should 'high profile' be tagged and how long should the priority from | Sep 10 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | that tagging persist? Right now, updated items get a boost for 24 hours. | Sep 10 08:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I can tell you how that used to work | Sep 10 08:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in drupal, a newly updated item was shown as having "new comments" near the very very very front page at the top | Sep 10 08:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so there was a way to see the change | Sep 10 08:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | also through "latest comments" | Sep 10 08:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | how we handle things going forward, an open question | Sep 10 08:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but there are things that get updated nearly a dozen times | Sep 10 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | to avoid flooding the site with more and more of the same thing | Sep 10 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | which is sometthing both rianne and I agree can be annoying | Sep 10 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like a major ubuntu release flooding everything for many days | Sep 10 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so people lose sightg of other, unique news | Sep 10 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | when accessing social controel media you might go | Sep 10 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "what da fuck did I just do there? What did I waste time on? I know I did something. But what new stuff did I learn?? Why am I just angry" | Sep 10 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so we want to do the opposite of that | Sep 10 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no microsoft clickbait and provocation, we filter the BS/noise/PR | Sep 10 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and high return on time | Sep 10 08:28 |
| Techrights-sec | Ah. That is a bug. That post was updated less than 24 hours ago and appears | Sep 10 08:28 |
| Techrights-sec | below the gap. The date calculation is in error. | Sep 10 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the provocation apor noise is also a negative strtategy | Sep 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in mass manipulating | Sep 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | distracting from somthing | Sep 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or getting people angry, en masse, over things | Sep 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | also see: brigading | Sep 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | outrage culture, cancel culture | Sep 10 08:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | this has caused many suicides already (my dad said the same) | Sep 10 08:29 |
| Techrights-sec | Good idea to de-escalate things like that, or at least attempt to. | Sep 10 08:32 |
| Techrights-sec | Ad-based culture is already supersaturated with fear. | Sep 10 08:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | insecurity | Sep 10 08:32 |
| Techrights-sec | That is a type of fear. Fear develops into anger according to some models. | Sep 10 08:41 |
| Techrights-sec | If it is allowed to fester untreated for too long. Remember that the younger | Sep 10 08:41 |
| Techrights-sec | the target of the effects is, the more permanent impact the manipulation has. | Sep 10 08:41 |
| Techrights-sec | The emotional damage, including stunting, and (mis-)socialization afflicting | Sep 10 08:41 |
| Techrights-sec | the current crop of teens has removed them from the societies they would have | Sep 10 08:41 |
| Techrights-sec | otherwise grown to become part of. They are lost. They may speak the local | Sep 10 08:41 |
| Techrights-sec | language but they are not, and can no longer, become part of that society | Sep 10 08:41 |
| Techrights-sec | having been acculturated by Tiktok or whatever instead. | Sep 10 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | interesting, i never thought too much along those themes | Sep 10 08:42 |
| Techrights-sec | Sep 10 08:51 | |
| Techrights-sec | It's unfortunate and may be a civilization-ending public health problem. | Sep 10 08:51 |
| Techrights-sec | Those that have not been afflicted with smartphones yet have a chance | Sep 10 08:51 |
| Techrights-sec | if their parents can collectively find a way out of having to assign | Sep 10 08:51 |
| Techrights-sec | a smartphone (and its associated skinner box-like "apps") to the next crop. | Sep 10 08:51 |
| Techrights-sec | But they are small and growing fast all the while their parents are more | Sep 10 08:51 |
| Techrights-sec | and more addicted to the hand-held skinner boxes themselves, and thoughtlessly | Sep 10 08:51 |
| Techrights-sec | handing a small one a smartphone is currently considered an acceptable way | Sep 10 08:51 |
| Techrights-sec | to pacify them. No wonder ADHD and other problems are enhanced these days. | Sep 10 08:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in hindsight: | Sep 10 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i was 19 when my aunt in FL bought me a Palm PDA | Sep 10 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | at first it helped me organised | Sep 10 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | then it started to control my life | Sep 10 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | at some stage I recognised it had downsides too | Sep 10 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it has not controlled my life in a very long time | Sep 10 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but this is not the same thing at all, except it's a handheld in the pocket | Sep 10 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's more like diary and todo, not FOMO and "likes" | Sep 10 08:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so I guess one is a lot more addictive and has little practical gain | Sep 10 08:53 |
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| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec | And the PDA was not actively, adaptively modifying your values, mores, ideas, | Sep 10 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec | and emotions real-time. Remember that many (most?) teens are probably wasting | Sep 10 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec | around five or six hours per day being programmed by those dis-services. | Sep 10 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec | Subjectively time is experienced quite differently the younger you are and so | Sep 10 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec | those hours in a teen are probably the behavioral equivalent to days or weeks | Sep 10 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec | in an adult or older person. | Sep 10 09:12 |
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| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 09:26 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | <techrights-news> "'Quiet Fleecing' of US Workers" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/09/analysis-shows-quiet-fleecing-us-workers-not-quiet-quitting-real-problem | Source: Common Dreams | Sep 10 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Analysis Shows 'Quiet Fleecing' of US Workers—Not 'Quiet Quitting'—Is the Real Problem | Sep 10 11:34 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | relevant to the blame-shifting that we spoke about | Sep 10 11:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | reminds me of "great resignation;" | Sep 10 11:34 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 11:34 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | i spent (don't want to use the word "wasted") another half an hour | Sep 10 11:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | rectiofying something with rirc logs in gewmini:// | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | at least some lessons learned | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | been a plot more productiuve (the day) since | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | many incidents today | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | inc. rianne having to reboot after kwin crashed (rare) | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | spoke to my dad, mostly agreeing about the state of the economy | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | told him rianne got 100% | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they don't say, but she knew all the questions and was confident | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it looks like we've done all the work at our end, now it's mostly waiting ahead | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and so this morning rianne posted half a dozen pages in TM | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | let me know when you feel like the image uploader is read and/or can be added to the workflow | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've meanwhile decided to participate a bit less in irc so as to focus more on videos and articles | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | starting today it'll be more productive again | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | put some more urgent things behind, notable rianne's papers | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *notably | Sep 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | --- | Sep 10 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | btw, there was two visits to the lawyer's office yesterday | Sep 10 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | solicitor, attorney,w hatever | Sep 10 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | there's a paralegal ana assiatent too | Sep 10 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they're of HK origin, I think | Sep 10 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the second visit was rianne only | Sep 10 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as she needed to bring in some additional papers | Sep 10 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | power of attorney my passport etc. and I think we're done now | Sep 10 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the rest can be done digitally | Sep 10 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i told rianne they don't need to confirm she got 100% if she knew all the questions and the knowledge acquired ius valuable and relevant anyway | Sep 10 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | she knows the british system and history far better than me now | Sep 10 12:06 |
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| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 12:10 |
| Techrights-sec | The image re-scaler is probably ok, but the aminated GIF problem raised some | Sep 10 12:10 |
| Techrights-sec | questions. Will there be a lot of animated GIFs? | Sep 10 12:10 |
| Techrights-sec | Nice once that is finally all settled. | Sep 10 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | animated gifs always seemed not to work right because the process is likely complex | Sep 10 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | de-assembling frame and then assembling new ones | Sep 10 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I just messed around with it | Sep 10 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in the more distant mast I hotlinked | Sep 10 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | last night I just wget the originals | Sep 10 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and now came the resizer | Sep 10 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and the risizing is what caused wrong output | Sep 10 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | before doing the real damage of crashing my machine | Sep 10 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | of course I hurried to remove that from the page, too | Sep 10 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | --- | Sep 10 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the paperwork is a onc-in-a-lifetime thing, not just a passport | Sep 10 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'd not spend as much time ona visa or passport | Sep 10 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in fact, I'd rather avoid countries that require a visa because of ratio between pursuing visa and being there (time spent can be almost the same!) | Sep 10 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | -- | Sep 10 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | on to a less personal topic, so discussed the whole kids and news and economy thing, ... | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | my dad views kids as zombies now. | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he mentioned "fotnight" (I read about it, never assessed if 'firsthand') | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | dad is not smart, but compensates for it with car | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the demise of the news is felt, the weakening of kids, apparently there's also the angle of | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | making kids more feminise, lowering the chance of challenge from the lower class | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *deminine/affiminate | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *not sure about spelling, does not matter | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | passive workers and the false narrative is discussed in irc atm (or was discussed) | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *compensates with cars, not car | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he sees today's young kids glued to "smart" phones, which worries him and the parents | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe younger parents cannot see what the issue is | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *cars -> care | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | typo after typo | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he's OK, but his insights are never very special | Sep 10 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | his grandkids are unable to communicate properly | Sep 10 12:18 |
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| Techrights-sec | "Fortnight" is not a game but a social media event." | Sep 10 12:29 |
| Techrights-sec | Many kids entering school / kindergarten do not have basic motor control | Sep 10 12:29 |
| Techrights-sec | skills. Even many older kids, such as those entering pre-med at university. | Sep 10 12:29 |
| Techrights-sec | old: https://boingboing.net/2019/10/26/future-tense.html | Sep 10 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-boingboing.net | "Affordances": a new science fiction story that climbs the terrible technology adoption curve | Boing Boing | Sep 10 12:29 | |
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| schestowitz | "A new science fiction story about how technical restrictions start with powerless people before coming for us all." | Sep 10 12:30 |
| schestowitz | spy metets, self-service... | Sep 10 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | --a theme that keeps coming back, also to TR | Sep 10 12:31 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | [11:58] <DaemonFC> The last people to admit it are bankers and government officials. | Sep 10 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | [11:59] <DaemonFC> Workers notice that they can't find a job, but the media portrays it as "losers who don't want one". | Sep 10 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | [11:59] <DaemonFC> "Great Resignation. Quiet Qutting. | Sep 10 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | <techrights-news> Microsoft-funded sites keep pushing this narrative; Linux typically has nothing to do with the malware, which gets put there some other way. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/new-linux-malware-combines-unusual-stealth-with-a-full-suite-of-capabilities/ | Sep 10 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | New Linux malware combines unusual stealth with a full suite of capabilities | Ars Technica | Sep 10 12:32 | |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 12:35 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | <techrights-news> Those systems need to be infected in the first place, and not the fault of "Linux" https://www.securityweek.com/new-shikitega-linux-malware-grabs-complete-control-infected-systems | Sep 10 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-New 'Shikitega' Linux Malware Grabs Complete Control of Infected Systems | SecurityWeek.Com | Sep 10 13:19 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- New 'Shikitega' Linux Malware Grabs Complete Control of Infected Systems | SecurityWeek.Com | Sep 10 13:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | <techrights-news> "AT&T didn't say how the initial infection occurs" https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/10/in_brief_security/ better find out the actual cause of breach, and it's not likely to be Linux | Sep 10 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Shape-shifting cryptominer savaging Linux endpoints and IoT • The Register | Sep 10 13:19 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | thought about doing a video, but this covers a pattern we covered several times before | Sep 10 13:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if you can suggest a topic, it'll help | Sep 10 13:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | net rating a bit outside my confort soze | Sep 10 13:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no firsthand experience | Sep 10 13:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *comfort zone | Sep 10 13:20 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 13:37 |
| Techrights-sec | Net neutrality is always under threat. | Sep 10 13:37 |
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| Techrights-sec | The question is which angle to discuss it from. | Sep 10 14:04 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | never mind, i got some new epo material | Sep 10 14:05 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | OTA | Sep 10 14:05 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (michael west site became useless unless you want to read AP/AAP with a different theme) | Sep 10 14:05 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, I check the Michael West site but it is just wire feed content. | Sep 10 14:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I still cull all the stuff matching "AAP" | Sep 10 14:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but even afetr that, linking to the site if it's an AP syndication/content farm | Sep 10 14:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | basically send traffic to AP, not to Michael West | Sep 10 14:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in which case, it'll be like sending traffic to the spammers at geeks4geeks | Sep 10 14:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or to spamnil's spamfarm for that matter | Sep 10 14:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or various redmond sites | Sep 10 14:09 |
| Techrights-sec | I'm considering stopping checking it at all. | Sep 10 14:09 |
| Techrights-sec | He used to write very good material. | Sep 10 14:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the top of the site still says "Independent Journalists" | Sep 10 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but below that there's staff of AP | Sep 10 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if you don't play close attention | Sep 10 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so it's misportraying what's there now | Sep 10 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | OTA | Sep 10 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for now I'll wait a bit and reserve judgement | Sep 10 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they might come around | Sep 10 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | " | Sep 10 14:50 |
| schestowitz | ILOAT Judgment 4551 on mass emails - Waiting for execution | Sep 10 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Dear colleagues, | Sep 10 14:50 |
| schestowitz | As already explained in a letter of 29 July 2022, there is no legal or technical requirements preventing the EPO from granting authorisation to Staff Committees and their members to use the EPO mailing lists. In fact, granting authorisation is technically a matter of seconds for the EPO internal IT services (BIT) and could have been easily done already immediately after the Judgment was issued. | Sep 10 14:50 |
| schestowitz | The EPO has not executed Judgment No. 4551 two months after the ruling of the Tribunal. In this open letter, the Central and the four Local Staff Committees demand the immediate execution of Judgment No. 4551 and no later than 30 September 2022. | Sep 10 14:50 |
| schestowitz | The Central Staff Committee - CSC | Sep 10 14:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 10 14:50 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | anger over epo corruption is building up again | Sep 10 15:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | of course politicians don't life a finger | Sep 10 15:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 8*lift | Sep 10 15:19 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 15:42 |
| Techrights-sec | What would it take, besides bribes, for EU representatives to begin to | Sep 10 15:42 |
| Techrights-sec | examine the EPO disaster? | Sep 10 15:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | darft | Sep 10 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's hopeless | Sep 10 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | expanding acronyms | Sep 10 15:53 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 10 16:08 |
| Techrights-sec | Just be sure to expand acronyms once in the text itself, please. | Sep 10 16:08 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks! | Sep 10 16:08 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | mozilla is a fiasco | Sep 10 17:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | dreaft | Sep 10 17:13 |
| Techrights-sec | More details about the warning given by thunderbird would be interesting. | Sep 10 17:13 |
| Techrights-sec | Notice that their links is to AWS and not to Mozilla. | Sep 10 17:13 |
| Techrights-sec | More can be said about the embargo or lack thereof. | Sep 10 17:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | thanks, I have amended it with more info | Sep 10 17:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I could say more, but am being a little lazy about it | Sep 10 17:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and being from SF, they had to add that genderphobic BS to the email | Sep 10 17:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like I don't know cherie is the name of a girl | Sep 10 17:24 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks! | Sep 10 17:26 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 10 17:26 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks! | Sep 10 17:26 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 10 17:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I need more topics tbh, email is mostly spam | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | notice how often hause of saud bribes people for silence | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like the families of victims | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or whistleblowers | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | here, they buy the politicians | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so the corrollary is, | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if you do the crime, don't do the time | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | just pay the people who can hold you accountable | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it works | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | football is all postponed | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I told you it's taken VERY seriously here | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you can see many .uk sites going "dark" | Sep 10 17:31 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | she is a relic from BE (empire's era) | Sep 10 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and her existence | Sep 10 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | helps justified some people's sense of entitlement | Sep 10 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not just naked nationalism | Sep 10 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and she is not coming back | Sep 10 17:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | her kids are already tarnished | Sep 10 17:50 |
| Techrights-sec | Looking | Sep 10 17:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | financial issues, inc. parents' | Sep 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that's likely a bigger factor | Sep 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | set aside climate issues, hose price, job propsects | Sep 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *house | Sep 10 17:53 |
| Techrights-sec | Mozilla won't remove or let you remove that Pocket crap. | Sep 10 17:53 |
| Techrights-sec | Techdirt has some article on twitter politics | Sep 10 17:53 |
| Techrights-sec | TechDirt has had its 25th anniversary, https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/09/last-chance-to-join-us-for-the-techdirt-25th-anniversary-party/ | Sep 10 17:53 |
| Techrights-sec | congratulations on the /tech/ coverage | Sep 10 17:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Last Chance To Join Us For The Techdirt 25th Anniversary Party! | Techdirt | Sep 10 17:53 | |
| Techrights-sec | One of Louis Rossmann's videos had direct mention of FOSS | Sep 10 17:57 |
| Techrights-sec | recently. | Sep 10 17:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | his fight has not been in the headlines for years | Sep 10 17:58 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he must adapt | Sep 10 17:58 |
| Techrights-sec | There is overlap between right to repair, doctrine of first sale, and | Sep 10 18:00 |
| Techrights-sec | software freedom. | Sep 10 18:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I posted some of his latetss, from daily links, and also all the above-mentioned from techdirt | Sep 10 18:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I don't see the ads~spam from techdirt | Sep 10 18:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | michael geist was active for a whole, then he disappears for ages | Sep 10 18:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no consistent momnetum | Sep 10 18:00 |
| Techrights-sec | Not entirely, it is 1) gaining ground albeit unevenly and 2) raising awareness | Sep 10 18:03 |
| Techrights-sec | of the /necessity/ of software freedom among an entirely new and different base | Sep 10 18:03 |
| Techrights-sec | than traditional software developers and hardcore power users | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the way I see it, the terms change, the trends are waves | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like swpats | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | patent trolls | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | then other framings | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the media chooses how to frame it for the masses | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe now social control media too | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and lobbying 'events' | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so one must keep up | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | right to repair is seen as yesterday's battle | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | same for NN | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and swpats | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you can still write like FSF | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but even FSF no longer writes like FSF | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | now it's "HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI" | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | same in OSI site | Sep 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | HEY HI all the time | Sep 10 18:03 |
| Techrights-sec | Social control media exisits for mass manipulation of public opinion and to | Sep 10 18:04 |
| Techrights-sec | poison attitudes against specific positions. Softeware freedom is one. | Sep 10 18:04 |
| Techrights-sec | The doctrine of first sale is another (right to repair). ' | Sep 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it changes how people speak and WHAT they speak about | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | hence, algospeak' | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the thing to do, therefore, is ignore it altogether | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | flush it down | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | speak about the REAL issues | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the social control media's REAL owners' goal is to distract from such issues | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like they bury some biden scandals | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and even admit it | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that's also frames as a binary choice; 'bash' biden, that makes you pro-trump nazi | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or "election denier" | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (person who rejects proprietary abck-dooed voting 'PCs') | Sep 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that you can buy from ebay to reverse-engineer | Sep 10 18:06 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes Newspeak. | Sep 10 18:06 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/more-tech-support/201403/the-new-skinner-box-web-and-mobile-analytics | Sep 10 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.psychologytoday.com | The New Skinner Box: Web and Mobile Analytics | Psychology Today | Sep 10 18:06 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | take my words for it: they are a fad | Sep 10 18:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "smart" mobile "phones", social control media | Sep 10 18:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | some games | Sep 10 18:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | my dad is clueless about most tech, but he too can see endless harm | Sep 10 18:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | hence he keeps some distance (and he worked his whole life selling electronics!) | Sep 10 18:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | society will rebel against at least some of these things | Sep 10 18:08 |
| Techrights-sec | The endless harm won't bring about an end to Facebook or its properties nor | Sep 10 18:09 |
| Techrights-sec | to the smartphones, rather it is a factor in prolonging their painful existence | Sep 10 18:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | with narcotics | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the addicted die younger, alarming the rest | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | those who become addicted to ewaste shit will perish and vanish | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | annd they don't have much pourchasingf power, either | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the mistake we make is, | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we sometimes think we can 'help' them | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but they are addicts | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and our 6 minutes of plaetings are beaten by 6 hours a day with fake 'friends' | Sep 10 18:12 |
| Techrights-sec | cancel and troll | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | who are just used as pawns and avataar by mass manipulation companies that hire psychs to enhance the dependability | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | either way, if we stick to the issues, and if we foster young rebels, there's hope counter-momvements will grow | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | then yuo have idiots on meds like mr. gulag trying to 'cancel' those who do pave the way | Sep 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | those trolls have very limited shelf liefe | Sep 10 18:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they're discarded/.disploased by oligarchs who hold their strings | Sep 10 18:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | becausee each round of trolling makes them enemies | Sep 10 18:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | then they 'leave' kernel dev | Sep 10 18:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | after like 10 years wasted, learning the APIs but pissing off all the colleagues | Sep 10 18:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not just gulag but also nnot-so-shapr | Sep 10 18:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | who not build a a career in trollling at SFC | Sep 10 18:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *now builds | Sep 10 18:15 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/09/mozilla_cso_ftc_surveillance/ | Sep 10 18:15 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/events/2022/09/commercial-surveillance-data-security-anpr-public-forum | Sep 10 18:15 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Mozilla wants FTC to fine Big Tech's surveillance giants • The Register | Sep 10 18:15 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ftc.gov | Commercial Surveillance and Data Security Public Forum | Federal Trade Commission | Sep 10 18:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwin | Sep 10 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cyberlaw.stanford.edu | Marshall Erwin | Center for Internet and Society | Sep 10 18:16 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | checking where erwin came from.. | Sep 10 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwin | Sep 10 18:16 |
| Techrights-sec | "Marshall began his career in the intelligence community, where ..." | Sep 10 18:20 |
| Techrights-sec | https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwin?qt-tabs_user_related=2#qt-tabs_user_related | Sep 10 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cyberlaw.stanford.edu | Marshall Erwin | Center for Internet and Society | Sep 10 18:20 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Hitler started his career as a defence worker | Sep 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (artillery) | Sep 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | sorry | Sep 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the "defence COMMUNITY" | Sep 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it does not say which agency he was in, but they mention Libya | Sep 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he could just as well be a CIA hire for mozilla | Sep 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like github hired from NSA to CSO of GitHub | Sep 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | which would show how closely connected mozilla became to the State (capitalised) | Sep 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | can you find out which "Company" is "intelligence community" | Sep 10 18:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | there is ther joke | Sep 10 18:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that CIA is known as "the Company" | Sep 10 18:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | also we need to be sure what year he was hired and whether there was another employer in between | Sep 10 18:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | aka "cool-off" periods | Sep 10 18:22 |
| Techrights-sec | https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwin?qt-tabs_user_related=2#qt-tabs_user_related | Sep 10 18:23 |
| Techrights-sec | https://docs.house.gov/meetings/HA/HA00/20220216/114403/HHRG-117-HA00-Bio-ErwinM-20220216.pdf | Sep 10 18:23 |
| Techrights-sec | *The* Company | Sep 10 18:23 |
| Techrights-sec | "I spent roughly the first five years of my career in the CIAs ..." | Sep 10 18:23 |
| Techrights-sec | https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/marshall-erwin-trust/ | Sep 10 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.mozilla.org | Rapid Fire: Marshall Erwin talks trust and security at Mozilla and Firefox | Sep 10 18:23 | |
| Techrights-sec | "He joined the company six years ago..." | Sep 10 18:23 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.protocol.com/mozilla-employees | Sep 10 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ex-Mozilla employees lead the tech reform charge - Protocol | Sep 10 18:23 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the libya thing was not long beforehand | Sep 10 18:26 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | draft | Sep 10 18:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | still working on it | Sep 10 18:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it'll be a good ref in the future | Sep 10 18:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | notice they only added CIA later in an update to their post | Sep 10 18:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe it was intentionally timed | Sep 10 18:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | to be missed | Sep 10 18:46 |
| Techrights-sec | There's little/no content in the text part? | Sep 10 18:46 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 18:46 |
| Techrights-sec | s/trustowrthy/trustworthy/ | Sep 10 18:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i think I will do a vieo about it, citing the images, then do text | Sep 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | my question about where he came from | Sep 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | was based on past patterns I noticed | Sep 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and then you wonder why those MFers aree pushing the CA artel down our throats | Sep 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for all I know, Moz is GAFAM and state | Sep 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not 'free' software | Sep 10 18:48 |
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| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 18:59 |
| Techrights-sec | The CA model they uses facilitates MitM | Sep 10 18:59 |
| Techrights-sec | especially with their antipathy towards self-vouched for certificates. | Sep 10 18:59 |
| Techrights-sec | They are especially state, then after that Google specifically though | Sep 10 18:59 |
| Techrights-sec | pandering to M$ a lot. | Sep 10 18:59 |
| Techrights-sec | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/08/0113234#1270987 | Sep 10 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-soylentnews.org | Honoring Peter Eckersley, Who Made the Internet a Safer Place for Everyone - SoylentNews | Sep 10 18:59 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he was friends with Daniel P. | Sep 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | If it was not cancer, you'd be able to make up or come up with theories | Sep 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | anyway, his intentions were good at first | Sep 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in recent years we saw Gulag et al treating sites not controlled by THEM like they're a bunch of lepers | Sep 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "get me out of here!" | Sep 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | failing that, zero rating ;-) | Sep 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I wonder but did not check which CA the FSF outsources services to | Sep 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | making a meme | Sep 10 19:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | hopefully not over the top | Sep 10 19:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | humour never killed anyone | Sep 10 19:29 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 19:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | many orgs are being defang | Sep 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | metaphorically getting their dicks removed | Sep 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and projects, orgs, communities orphaned | Sep 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | RMS, EFF, Moz... | Sep 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | what's left is a relic without charisma or clue | Sep 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I choose to think what happend to freenode too is a misfortunate turn of events | Sep 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | there is an NDA ending next year iirc | Sep 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | phanes then has some stories to tell | Sep 10 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 10 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/sanford-and-son-star-redd-foxxs-death-sadly-imitated-his-sitcom-shtick.html/ | Sep 10 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cheatsheet.com | 'Sanford and Son' Star Redd Foxx's Death Sadly Imitated His Sitcom Shtick | Sep 10 19:32 | |
| Techrights-sec | Hopefully those dumb enough to have signed the NDA will speak up then. | Sep 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | andrew tried to hire me also | Sep 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and kaniini | Sep 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we turned that down | Sep 10 19:34 |
| Techrights-sec | Thankfully so. | Sep 10 19:36 |
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| Techrights-sec | https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/ | Sep 10 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.patrick-breyer.de | Chat Control – Patrick Breyer | Sep 10 20:34 | |
| mjg59_ | schestowitz-TR2: On meds? | Sep 10 20:36 |
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