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schestowitz" Season's Greetings and Thanks from SUEPO Jan 12 08:04
schestowitzDear SUEPO Union Members,Jan 12 08:04
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schestowitzAs we bid farewell to another year, we want to express our gratitude for your commitment and support throughout 2023. We are looking forward to 2024 with anticipation and optimism.Jan 12 08:04
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schestowitzhttps://diasporabr.com.br/posts/6221451Jan 12 09:54
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schestowitz"Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlways has been 💪Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - a day agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzTell that to the freezepeacher fossbros.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzUnfortunately many of them vehemently hate users.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - a day agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitz@dianea, open source has always been about developers and their masters. you’re mistaking it for the free software movement.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - a day agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzSee my comment above.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzWith people like Stallman involved, the branches of FOSS they infest is never going to care about users.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - a day agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitz@andreas, if you knew anything whatsoever about the person you write about, you’d know how strongly he stands for users, and how much the nonsense raised about him comes from those who actually disregard users. but I guess it’s easier for you to believe and spread lies. disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - a day agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzHe stands for users who are like himself. He’s an abuser, and a protector of abusers.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzCaring about “users like myself” is not caring about users.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - a day agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzyeah, those are exactly the lies pushed by corporations and people who don’t care about users and thus wanted him to getting in the way of their abuseJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - a day agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzwanted him to +stop+ getting in the way of their abuseJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - a day agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzThey are not being pushed by corporations, though.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzIf you want to protect users, don’t agitate in defense of sex offenders.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzIt’s like, choose one. And Stallman did. And all his cronies wriggled out of the woodworks to protect him.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAnd it’s like this, Universally, if your movement is dependent on one old white dude, your movement ain’t worth shit.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - a day agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzthey are being pushed by them, and that’s pretty obvious when you see who has been pushing for them.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzsurely you haven’t got the memo that put prof Minsky in the clear, right? he turned down Ms Giuffre when Epstein ordered her to offer herself to him. defending him from another false accusation was exactly the right thing to do.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzbut making up accusations about sex do agitate people against the accused, whether or not the accusations are true. that’s why manipulators so often resort to them against innocent people whose lives they wish to destroy.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzthe movement is not dependent on him, even though he founded it, but with that you’re just parroting yet another talking point of those who set out to get him out of the way. think about it: why do these pseudo-rationales always walk hand in hand, given that they’re not at all related? they’re a give away of what the people pushing those talking points are really after. it’s not about defending the victims of the sexual offeJan 12 09:54
schestowitznses they made up, it’s not about strengthening the movement, both are about getting him out of the way.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - a day agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzYou’re complete missing the point, and making a false claim: The claims against Minsky were never disproven and remain credible.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzBut, that’s just a tiny part of Stallmans creep credentials.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzStallman has a looooooooooooooong history of casual sexism, and a looooong history of making absurd claims in defense of pedophiles.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzHe is a creep, and it’s so fucking weak to claim it’s a conspiracy by corporations, Corporations didn’t make Stallman write all those creepy comments. They did not make him single out underaged women in a sexualizing manner.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzHe’s like those sweaty freaks in the back of the comic store who shouts “if it bleeds it breeds” whenever a girl enters.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzGeek culture IN GENERAL does absolutely have a pedocreep problem. Sweeping it under the carped will not do a damn thing to improve things, and Stallman is ensuring that the problem remains solidly carpeted in the FOSS culture.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - about 24 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzcreep credentials is exactly the fiction that has been pushed.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzhe has a long history of standing against sexism, against discrimination on sexual orientation or gender expression, against racism, against ageism, and also against infantilization of teens. but he’s also neurodivergent, which means his mind works differently from others, including his being unable to read body language. some people are exploiting that to harm his reputation and make him seem like a monster, misrepresenting his dJan 12 09:54
schestowitzefense of freedoms and his calling out manipulative language as defense of offenders.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzthat doesn’t make him the monster. that makes the people who judge him because of their own intolerance the monsters. and corporations are driving and exploiting that for their own advantage. they’ve done a lot more to harm FLOSS than any imaginary sexual offense ever could.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 24 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzPortraying a normalization of pedophilia as “against ageism” and “against infantilization of teens”Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzThe corporations don’t want to take out Stallman.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzStallman is doing more harm to FOSS by his very existence than they could ever do with propaganda.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzStop hero-worshipping old white dudes. They are ALWAYS disposable.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - about 24 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzthere’s no normalization of pedophilia. just as an example, the accusation against prof minsky was allegedly about that, but the sex slave ordered to offer herself to him was definitely not a child, she was enough of a grown up to be past the age of consent. that didn’t matter, because she was a slave, but minsky didn’t know about that, and he turned her down anyway.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitznow, you might still believe the lies repeated a thousand times are true, but claiming that corporations don’t want to take him out make it sound like you’re one of their apologists. they’ve been persistently disparaging him and trying to take him down since mid 1990s. why are you standing for them? how much are they paying you? or do you just think they’re really nice chaps?Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 24 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzYou are the one sounding like a cultist.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzIn your mind, any woman saying anything about Stallman’s creepy behavior is, by definition, an underhanded agent of corporate power.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzThere is literally nothing that would change your mind, because you are not applying any reason.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzWell-documented history means nothing to you, you see only what you want to see, and what you want to see is Stallman the White, in flowing robes, light bursting from his halo of privileged white malehood.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzSMH.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - about 23 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzyeah, but the one believing something by an act of faith is not me. I have investigated rumors and accusations against him. they are fabrications that, once followed through, lead nowhere. find me one woman whom he’s ever “crept upon” (whatever that means; that’s part of the making up) or otherwise mistreated, rather than politely inviting to a date. seriously. the so-called well-documented history amounts to lies repeated aJan 12 09:54
schestowitz thousand times, often by people who mean well and don’t know better. but rumors they are. try seriously to find their original source, and do so before further parroting made-up accusations by people who have long been looking for ways to bring him down, otherwise you come across like a member of their cult.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 23 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzThe history of men “investigating” women’s claim of abuse and “finding nothing” is enough to damn you.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzYou’re just one more misogynist, muttering angrily about “fickle women” as you jab at your keyboard, froth splattering from your contorted lips.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - about 23 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzwomen have investigated and found nothing too, if that matters to you. but if you find that my finding nothing damns me, rather than the group who’s made things up, well… you are clearly part of a cult. deflects evidence against that faith by making up more and more nonsense is just the way cults deal with that.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 23 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzThey have not made things up. These fucking creepy emails are public record.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzYou are a cultist, who has given up all reason on this subject.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitz    You think one old white dude is indispensible, that’s already enough to judge you by.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitz    You play loose and fast with facts that are inconvenient, pretending that it’s somehow word against word, when Stallman’s behavior is well-documented, and yes public record for the largest part.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitz    You are convinced of a corporate conspiracy, when you have exactly zero evidence of that.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzStallman is so flawed that nobody would need to spend money on taking him down. In fact, his taking credit for free software is making sure that the creep factor among the fossbros is so high that it serves to marginalize the entire endeavor.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - about 22 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzwhat creepy emails? those cautioning against the use of manipulative terms in the false accusations against prof Minsky, who turned out to be innocent of the abuse attributed to him? that’s making things up twice. and since you’re now making me part of it, it’s three times. typical cultist behavior. no logic, just making things up to avoid shattering the unsustainable belief.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzyou return to mixing up two entirely unrelated matters, namely whether he’s guilty of the accusations despite the absence of evidence, and whether he’s indispensable or even suited to be part of the movement he founded. that by itself shows that you’re a cultist who wants him out because of a belief rather than reason.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitza lie repeated a thousand times is not good documentation, and it doesn’t become truth. your repeating it further doesn’t add any credibility to it. show me the ultimate sources, rather than hearsay. serious investigations have led nowhere. cultists like you take rumors as truth, and denying the obvious interest of corporations in taking him out, long, notable and documented history of disparaging him, and well-known connectionsJan 12 09:54
schestowitz of the leaders of the cult to those corporations, makes your denial reinforce your cultist status.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzyour reinforcing the marginalization that these corporations have paid significant money to get is just playing in their interest. have you at least got some of that money, or are you that much of a fool?Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 22 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitz“turned out to be innocent” is incorrect.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzThe charges remain credible. The estate raised no defamation suit, and the case where the allegations were made led to the conviction of Ghislaine Maxwell.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlso, here is Stallman, waxing poetic about how natural it is for adult men to have sex with teenaged girls:Jan 12 09:54
schestowitz    Cody Wilson has been charged with “sexual assault” on a “child” after a session with a sex worker of age 16.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzWhat interesting scary-quotes, Dicky.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitz    The article refers to the sex worker as a “child”, but that is not so. Elsewhere it has been published that she is 16 years old. That is late adolescence, not childhood.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzThat’s you being a creep, Dicky.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - about 21 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzthe charges against Minsky were a fabrication. Ms Giuffre didn’t even alleged that he accepted the offer. all she said was that she was ordered to offer herself to him. that someone got convicted for enslaving her says absolutely nothing about whether any of the targets fell in the trap that was set up for them. but your insisting that there’s a credible accusation based on zero evidence, and on someone’s fertile imagination aJan 12 09:54
schestowitzbout something that wasn’t even alleged to have happened, tells me a lot more about you than about any of the people you judge.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzand that you mistake stallman’s neurodivergent lectures against manipulative terms as if they were a defense of sexual offenses is, well, ignorance or malice. if it’s ignorance, some studying of neurodivergent traits, such as language inflexibility and mental rigidity would fix it, but if it’s malice, you’ll probably just make something else upJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 19 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzYou’re lying again.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzhttps://duet-cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0x0:1744x1414/828x671/filters:focal(872x707:873x708):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/18957057/Screen_Shot_2019_08_09_at_1.34.59_PM.pngJan 12 09:54
schestowitzThe claim that Stallman is autistic and hence not able to talk un-creepily is absurd and offensive to actually autistic people. Stallman is just a creepy weirdo, and does not have an autism diagnosis, and also denies being autistic.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzIn fact, Stallman is in favor of eugenics, regarding it as a mothers moral duty to abort disabled children, especially children with Downs syndrome, but his whacko rationalization would also extend to other disabilities, and maybe even just low intelligence, as his first version of that note hinged on “…doesn’t have normal human mental capacity”.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzYour mental gymnastics are unimpressive. The only interesting thing here is that you manage to fool yourself, even with such pathetic arguments.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - about 18 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzI’m not lying at all. you’re misreading it. on line 8, the question claims Ms Maxwell directed Ms Giuffre, and on line 12, Ms Giuffre didn’t dispute the implied claim. we can accept that. on line 13, if you read carefully (as trained lawyers ask one thing trying to make it seem like they asked another), the question is where did she go to do something, not where she did something. and she answered where she went to carry out hJan 12 09:54
schestowitzer orders, but not that she accomplished the mission. we don’t even know from that whether she got as far as actually offering herself, but IIRC there’s another deposition (or blog post) in which someone else who witnessed it confirms.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzthe offensive conclusions were yours, not mine. what I’m saying is that he’s neurodivergent (there’s no doubt about that), and so am I, and though we’re at different spots in the spectrum, I am better able to understand the ways he reasons, expresses himself, and gets triggered, than people who insist on being clueless about neurodivergence manage to. you’re blinded by your ignorance and intolerance. you’re doing to him Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzand me much worse than you accuse him of in another misreading out of your ignorance, prejudice, and bloodthirst. if you think there’s any shame in sharing the consensus recommendation from most medical doctors who aren’t under censorship share, you’re the one making a fool of yourself.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzthe term for what you’re doing, misreading and guessing intentions of a neurodivergent based on neurotypical standards, is neurotypism (coined by my daughter, not very well know). it’s just one of the various forms of prejudice and violence that we suffer. but of course you won’t care about that, and will find an excuse to dismiss or deny it, because you’re only interested in protecting disabilities in order to attack the taJan 12 09:54
schestowitzrgets you pick because of other disabilities you’re not able or interested in understanding. you’re such a horrible and hateful person! people accuse us of not having empathy, but where’s the empathy for us? you don’t have any!Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 17 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAll you Stallman apologists go around claiming he’s neurodivergent, as if that would justify having appalling opinions. Being autistic does not make a person have appalling opinions, that’s on that person all by themselves.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzStallman doesn’t have a diagnosis, and denies being neurodivergent, so it’s just something you guys are throwing in as a last ditch defense of the indefensible.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzThat is not how that works. You don’t get to just impose a diagnosis on someone because they have appalling opinions, and you wish they’d shut the fuck up.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzYou are also not a Stallman apologist because you’re neurodivergent, it’s because you are perfectly OK with the boys-only club that disgusting creeps like Stallman helped create.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzRemember, women were the dominant force in computer science until the 80s.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzStallman was part of the generation that made women unwelcome, in very short time.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzThey were very effective, and all manner of male mediocrities in computer science owe them a great debt, because they would never have gotten anywhere if the original coders hadn’t been pushed out.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 17 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzFor the record, I am also neurodivergent, which is why I get so fucking mad that you’re trying to claim it’s normal for ND people to be toxic assholes.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzIt isn’t. Shame on you.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - about 17 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitz    as if that would justify having appalling opinionsJan 12 09:54
schestowitzno, I’m not saying that. I’m saying he does NOT hold those appalling opinions. they follow from miscommunication because of different ways of thinking.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzhe may have denied being autistic, but he knows he’s neurodivergent. who cares about diagnoses when it’s so obvious?Jan 12 09:54
schestowitz    You don’t get to just impose a diagnosis on someone because they have appalling opinionsJan 12 09:54
schestowitzand yet that’s exactly what you’re doing. but because of miscommunication, you leaped to the wrong diagnosis.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitz    you are perfectly OK with the boys-only clubJan 12 09:54
schestowitzBS. I’m not, and neither is he, and we’re working to fix it.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzIt’s not like he pushed women away. people who made things up about him did, much to everyone’s disappointment.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitz    I am also neurodivergentJan 12 09:54
schestowitzcool, what are your superpowers? your current hyperfocus? your trigger words and sensations? hypersensitivities and hiposensitivities? recurring/sustained narrow interests? how often are you misunderstood when you try to convey an idea? are most of your few close friends neurodivergent too?Jan 12 09:54
schestowitz    you’re trying to claim it’s normal for ND people to be toxic assholesJan 12 09:54
schestowitzmake of that whatever you wish, but you are coming across as a toxic assholeJan 12 09:54
schestowitzwe’re not toxic assholes, but because we’re different, it’s not too difficult for others to paint us as such. and a lot of people, even neurodivergents, fall for that because of neurotypism, because, being a minority, even some of us learn what is “normal” and model others’ behaviors based on that, without realizing that neurodivergents can be different among ourselves, that our mental processes can be different, that ouJan 12 09:54
schestowitzr perceptions of context can be different, that underlying thoughts and rationales that lead us to say certain things may be very different from underlying thoughts and rationales that would lead neurotypicals to say those things. and then we promote hatred towards our own. we need more empathy, more tolerance, more understanding, not more persecution. you’ve been doing great injustice to a great person, based on miscommunication Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzand false allegations promoted by intolerant people and psychopathic corporations.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 3 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzHe very obviously does hold atrocious opinions about how normal it is for grown men to have sex with teenaged girls.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzHe expounds on those opinions with appalling frequency.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzHe also engages in erasure of the work of women in FOSS.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzMany women have expressed how toxic an environment he creates.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzBut nothing can convince you, because you’re a Gygaxian paladin, in defense of your Lord and Master.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzWell fuck you right to hell, scumbag.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - about 2 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzI see you’re back to your cult fabrications. oh well…Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzit’s within your rights to find opinions atrocious, but it would be kind if you wouldn’t twist them first. getting people to hate strawmen is not so hard, but the hate hurts actual very kind people, whom you’ve learned to dehumanize.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzmaybe some day you’ll actually look into what you’re saying, instead of hating based on hearsay by those who create a toxic environment for us and who work very hard to erase our work.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 2 hours agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzThe only good part of this old white man bullcrap is that age brings death, so he can’t remain in place forever.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzMost likely his hand-picked cronies will be in jail for magat insurrection by then so FOSS can finally be free of his influence.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - about an hour agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzI suppose you don’t even realize how horrible a person you come across as for writing such things. after dehumanizing someone else, one may feel like anything goes, but those who haven’t joined your cult can see who the real monster isJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.comJan 12 09:54
schestowitzandreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about an hour agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzYou are defending a harmful old man, who dehumanizes women, and attracts misogynists and freezepeachers to the FOSS movement.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzYou’ve lied repeatedly in this conversation, and belittled victims of sexual abuse in the process, and you can’t even see it yourself, because you are just following your Great Leader into the moral morass.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzYou are pitiful.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre OlivaJan 12 09:54
schestowitzAlexandre Oliva - 37 minutes agoJan 12 09:54
schestowitzthat is no more than your atrocious and misguided opinion about one of the kindest persons who’s ever lived, who has done you no harm, but who has been a victim of an atrocious difamation cult.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzI have not lied, I haven’t belittled victims (unlike you), and you can’t see it because you are following your cult leaders into the moral morass.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzand what’s worse, you care more about the hearsay lies spread by people you don’t even know, about people you don’t even know, and proudly spew hatred.Jan 12 09:54
schestowitzme, I at least know the person we’re talking about. we’re close friends. I know what I’m speaking of. I stand against the injustice you’re committing. but you? you are a clueless cult follower, projecting that onto me.Jan 12 09:54
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schestowitzI have read everything and can relate only to one side. IME, social control media lead to combative, impolite and unproductive exchanges, to be lost forever less than a week later. Better to rebut in well organised blog posts, then link to them later if necessary.Jan 12 11:40
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