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| Techrights-sec | deduplicated yesterday's HTML IRC logs | May 13 04:44 |
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| Techrights-sec | does irclog2html.py have UTF-8 problems? | May 13 05:07 |
| Techrights-sec | ^scratch that. looking elsewhere | May 13 05:07 |
| Techrights-sec | fixed | May 13 05:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | gm | May 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | I may have overslept a bit | May 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | mild headache | May 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | not de to stress | May 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | there was no stress at all | May 13 05:08 |
| Techrights-sec | gm | May 13 05:08 |
| Techrights-sec | np | May 13 05:08 |
| Techrights-sec | stress from yesterday? light workout usually helps | May 13 05:08 |
| Techrights-sec | good | May 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | today the plan is to cycle and bring back food 'downhill' | May 13 05:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | because it should be nice and sunny | May 13 05:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I want to be out more | May 13 05:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | I should stiill be able to produce a lot | May 13 05:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is consideered exercise | May 13 05:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | I need ti kearn where I can shave off time, other than sleep | May 13 05:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | sleeping too little tends to cause headache after a bit | May 13 05:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the only way to make them go away is make up the hours | May 13 05:13 |
| Techrights-sec | nice | May 13 05:14 |
| Techrights-sec | sleep and exercise cannot be skimped on, food sometimes depending on the balance | May 13 05:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | food is not the issue and we still find good prices | May 13 05:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | that might come in handy is we halve our working hours | May 13 05:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | *if | May 13 05:14 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 13 05:24 |
| Techrights-sec | should the Misinformation/Disinformation heading become | May 13 05:24 |
| Techrights-sec | Misinformation/Disinformation/Propaganda ? | May 13 05:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think that would overlap "Astro>Turf | May 13 05:24 |
| Techrights-sec | ok, should Propaganda be explicitly in Astroturf ? there is kind of a grey area | May 13 05:25 |
| Techrights-sec | between the astroturf and disinformation some stuff falls into both | May 13 05:25 |
| Techrights-sec | it's been a growing problem for some weeks | May 13 05:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | Maybe we should refactor these and make more categs | May 13 05:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | like misinformation | May 13 05:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | being separate from prpopagnada/disinof | May 13 05:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and politics being its own categ | May 13 05:26 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | May 13 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | one area of improvement, which I don;t think would affect any existing code, is dynamic insec at | May 13 05:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | the top for html, it still uses an old static one | May 13 05:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | in lagrance it can have bookmarks for the page, based on the headings | May 13 05:28 |
| Techrights-sec | yes the head can be changed. So an index with internal links would be helpful? | May 13 05:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | currently it has in it categs that used to be always occupied, but it was speculative | May 13 05:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | around 2008 | May 13 05:30 |
| Techrights-sec | Oh, perhaps it could be an index generated based on which categories actually | May 13 05:31 |
| Techrights-sec | have content? | May 13 05:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, but I never went as far as implementing thisa | May 13 05:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and until years ago the background still says "boycott novell" in dimmed colours | May 13 05:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | some sites tried to imitate these daily links | May 13 05:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | before realising it was too much work to maintain on a daily basis | May 13 05:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | for us it's part of the frowl looking for topic to cover | May 13 05:33 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | May 13 05:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | it also does, in general, makes you a better informed citizen | May 13 05:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | which can help you avoid many perils in life | May 13 05:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | (rianne watches "too much" gulagtube... mostly harmful channels... but the | May 13 05:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | "recommended" over time steer her towards clickbair utter junk) | May 13 05:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | *harmless I meant | May 13 05:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | not harmful | May 13 05:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | gulagtube steers her towards the harmful ones | May 13 05:38 |
| Techrights-sec | yes youtube pushes constantly, there is always a risk of getting warn down | May 13 05:38 |
| Techrights-sec | I use it too much (meaning still even at all) but nearly 100% of the time | May 13 05:38 |
| Techrights-sec | it is when following a specific external link to a specific video decided | May 13 05:38 |
| Techrights-sec | in advance | May 13 05:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have to lookm away or almost shuit my eyes if I enter the front page to enter some search phrase | May 13 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | this means their interface is neither useful nor healthy | May 13 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | twitter is a lot like this too | May 13 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | "I come here ONLY to do X" | May 13 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | "stop messing with my head" | May 13 05:40 |
| Techrights-sec | yes I don't look at twitter at all | May 13 05:40 |
| Techrights-sec | if it is like youtube it is hard to avoid seeing the thumbnails for the | May 13 05:40 |
| Techrights-sec | "recommendations" | May 13 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | in twitter and gulagtube you need to place the browser window about 300pixels to the outside of the raster | May 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | depending on screen resolution as they have a "fluid" design | May 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it's not even predictable | May 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | in old rekonq I wrote some rules to just eliminate those sections | May 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | but browsers and sites keep changing | May 13 05:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | you know they go too far where you have the digital equiv of "what did I come to the kitchen for??" | May 13 05:45 |
| Techrights-sec | it is that way on purpose. when that happens I close the tab to avoid | May 13 05:46 |
| Techrights-sec | playing into their trap | May 13 05:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | invidious reproduced a little bit of this behavious (sidebar, front page) | May 13 05:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it's free software | May 13 05:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | though I did not see instances thst change this default behaviour | May 13 05:47 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | May 13 05:52 |
| Techrights-sec | I think I see a way to do the Table of Contents | May 13 05:52 |
| Techrights-sec | It would use an id attribute in each heading and then harvest those from | May 13 05:52 |
| Techrights-sec | the non-empty nodes | May 13 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | that would be an improvement | May 13 05:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, in gemtext the section with these gets lumped into the main text | May 13 05:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | an even super-duper version will also count <li> under a section, somehow, then add a number in | May 13 05:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | brackets | May 13 05:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> "As enforced by these corporate apparatchiks of Managerialism, university academics are obliged to compete by means of publishing in the so-called top journals, and to stockpile (quantity over quality) ever greater numbers of publications than their peers." ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/12/academentia-and-managerialism/ | Source: Counter Punch | May 13 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Academentia and Managerialism - CounterPunch.org | May 13 05:58 | |
| schestowitz-TR | IME, many publish the same crap over and over again | May 13 05:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | with small tweaks of newer bits tucked in | May 13 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | to game the system | May 13 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | publcation and research are not the same thing | May 13 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's like assessing a workout based on number of reps | May 13 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | or a relationship based on total income | May 13 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | (few people even bother readon these papers in full, lecturing means greater audience than | May 13 06:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | some paper with 100 views of the abstract and 10 views of the actual paper, which month later is | May 13 06:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | "old") | May 13 06:01 |
| Techrights-sec | looking | May 13 06:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'd rather do NOC than academia | May 13 06:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | I used to do both in tandem | May 13 06:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | one was vastly easier | May 13 06:03 |
| Techrights-sec | yes there are few decent ones mostly just filler | May 13 06:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | what I do not like is, if they ask me to do project work and programming for ther salary of NOX | May 13 06:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's what we thought would happen | May 13 06:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and so we decided to leave | May 13 06:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | but not it is negotable | May 13 06:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | *now | May 13 06:04 |
| Techrights-sec | project work is another price category | May 13 06:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | but wait :-) | May 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's also weekend/overnight | May 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | while there is potential for distraction like alerts or calls | May 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | to me, noc means noc | May 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | you want projects/coding? | May 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | send me another contract | May 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am being to be "on-call" and write a short report and triage things | May 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes invetigate or intervene | May 13 06:11 |
| Techrights-sec | yep | May 13 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | by intervention I mean soemtimes like "restart jboss" if some alert seen and can be confirmed as true positive | May 13 06:12 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 13 06:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | "if you are so smart, how come your salary is like this?" | May 13 06:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | -Person who works 60-70 hours a week, grilling a person who carely works 6 a week | May 13 06:18 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 13 06:21 |
| Techrights-sec | it's a common misperception | May 13 06:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | (I am referring to siblings here) | May 13 06:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | (fwiw, my barely educated mother assumes people study things just for a job, i.e. for money) | May 13 06:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | (thankfully my dad, who never went to university, is not that shallow, so I'm not on my own) | May 13 06:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | regarding exercise, since I open up to personal things atm, lately I used he stairs a lot | May 13 06:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | sets are sprints to uppser floor, sometimes with shotput ball at hand | May 13 06:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's good cardio interval training (downstairs=interval) | May 13 06:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | psychological life hack | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | put backpack on | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | make the mission to make the workout proftable | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | by carrying discounts back | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | then count the savings as profit | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | if there is a lot to carry, and you sweat, that's "good workout" | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | when we still went to the gym (we stopped around May 20 2021) we'd use the trip back home | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | to hunt for food | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes also discounted things for the home like a 10 pound wine rack (original was like 50 pounds) | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | we bought so many things in those years and can now use the many spares for decades, or use them as gifts | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you can save 200 a month on food, think of that as two work shifts (16 hours) you need not do | May 13 06:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | I hope current discount rates last | May 13 06:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | we can still find those | May 13 06:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the searching has to extend further | May 13 06:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | like casting a wider net for the same "catch" | May 13 06:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | igf you save 1000-2000 a year, just by shopping "smarter", then means less labour is required | May 13 06:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | labour => capital => "stored labour" (desposits) | May 13 06:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | spendings/income ratio= pace of desposits | May 13 06:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | the goal is not to overdo them, like falling into the "game" people shame you into | May 13 06:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is likely harder - LOL - if you don't know how to access social control media inc. GulagTube | May 13 06:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | GulagTube became so bad that even without the web interface you would get far too many ads | May 13 06:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | for now, librewold zaps them all (I think) | May 13 06:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | better ask rianne, I typically just use yewtu.be | May 13 06:32 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | May 13 06:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Pedophilia is a real issue. No need to make it a partisan issue though. ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gop-pedophilia-smear-incitement/ | Source: The Nation | May 13 06:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | The GOP's Pedophilia Smears Are An Incitement to Violence | The Nation | May 13 06:38 | |
| schestowitz-TR | Climate change => politicised | May 13 06:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | Undoing unwanted conception => politicised | May 13 06:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | what next? | May 13 06:38 |
| Techrights-sec | everything is politicized, | May 13 06:41 |
| Techrights-sec | the election committee which made illegal deals with Iran to bring the world | May 13 06:41 |
| Techrights-sec | the Reagan administration turned that aspect of health care into a political | May 13 06:41 |
| Techrights-sec | footbal | May 13 06:41 |
| Techrights-sec | football | May 13 06:41 |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) | May 13 06:45 | |
| schestowitz-TR | speaking of which, this weekend "our team" (200m from us) can secure its season win | May 13 06:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | cementing the lead | May 13 06:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | we'll cycle past the stadium, later | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | aftter rianne finishes gardening | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | cultivating the soil for the neighbours' cats | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | to poo in | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | "our team" is currently tanked 2ns in the world | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | *ranked | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | after bayern munich | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | when we moved here it was barely in top 10 | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the oil tycoons from UAE sank lots of money into it | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | same way KSA does now with NUFC | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | [05:56] <techrights-news> KSA sportswashing... and now buying Twitter via MusKSA https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/12/ | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | greg-norman-saudi-arabias-sportswashing-emissary/ | Source: Counter Punch | May 13 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-May 12, 2022 - CounterPunch.org | May 13 06:46 | |
| Techrights-sec | KSA appears to be on a reputation laundering mission, and getting too much | May 13 06:46 |
| Techrights-sec | complicity in covering up past and present crimes | May 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | that appeals to the masses who worship money, no matter how it's made and what follows it | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | like war and stuf | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | you cannot deny it, sportwashing works | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | and places/businesses that get this money do benefit | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the problem is, it perpetuates a cycle | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | where many are in fact the losers | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | currently we try to lower the bills | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | esp. energy | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | only exception is PCs, but they are all laptops with savings (modes) turned on | May 13 06:51 |
| Techrights-sec | many worship only money | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | 8 working 24/7, mine provide enough light so the bulbs are rarely needed | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | and in winter some heat too is produced if I can seal off a room and then body heat too factors in | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | in winter I might go in the same room as rianne as heat is easier to conserve this way | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | it took me less than one houir to move everything here, I clocked it ntentionally | May 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | people who worship ONLY money (or mostly money) are playing a stupid sport | May 13 06:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | and later in life they realise that you cannot bring that money with you to "heaven" | May 13 06:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | nor can you buy youth or health with it | May 13 06:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | doing your hobbies when you are 67 is dumb | May 13 06:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | some can barely walk around in places abroad | May 13 06:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | my mom already struggles in flights due to her knees | May 13 06:54 |
| Techrights-sec | not so much a sport as LARPing | May 13 06:54 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-larping-live-action-role-playing-steampunk-aurum-larp-2018-10 | May 13 06:54 |
| Techrights-sec | shared fantasy /delusion | May 13 06:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | What Is LARPing (Live Action Role Playing)? | May 13 06:54 | |
| schestowitz-TR | nice analogy | May 13 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | I like the saying (and show) we have here, "Only Fools and Horses" | May 13 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | (I guess you know what follows | May 13 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | New: "As to why I haven't left yet? Because it seems this “Agile” movement has invaded everywhere and things would be “more of the same” elsewhere. At least here, I'm not forced to use Windows [4]." gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.1" | May 13 06:58 |
| Techrights-sec | yep | May 13 06:59 |
| Techrights-sec | btw check the new merged links for today, it has an automatically generated | May 13 06:59 |
| Techrights-sec | table of contents | May 13 06:59 |
| Techrights-sec | if that is the way it should be then next step will be to get that into the | May 13 06:59 |
| Techrights-sec | work flow | May 13 06:59 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 13 06:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | a) there are ways to contribute to society other than jobs | May 13 07:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | (some jobs are BS). Good banks, activism... | May 13 07:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | b) I will check the table of contents in a moment, it'll show up in tmux soon | May 13 07:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | c) something I forgot while typing a and b, but it wasn't important anyway | May 13 07:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I akm chasing daily linkaa atm with gemini on the side | May 13 07:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | matey is very active in the main channel and is on topic | May 13 07:02 |
| Techrights-sec | that's great news about IRC | May 13 07:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | irc's problem is not the loss of time | May 13 07:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the loss of focus | May 13 07:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | and why I muted dfc | May 13 07:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | he's the equivalent of social control media GUIs (web UIs) | May 13 07:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | ot-ish: yesterday's meeting was using the self-serving lies about the health of the company | May 13 07:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | but you could sense they tried hard to keep everyone onboard (not all companies are like that) | May 13 07:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe because the external HR agency cautioned them about cost of compensation | May 13 07:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | but either way, this is the first such meeting in 3 years | May 13 07:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now without physical office they cannot waste our time on train journeys | May 13 07:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne and I were 110 mins on call, spent similar length of time discussing outcome | May 13 07:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | reduction of hours likely the way forward, but to keep pension and employement record, plus | May 13 07:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | reduction of tax deduction, both of us to stay onboard | May 13 07:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | at reduced capacity | May 13 07:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is something we thought about doing years ago anyway | May 13 07:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | whhen I started in the company 11+ years ago I covered only Sat and Sun | May 13 07:10 |
| Techrights-sec | TOC generation is now integrated into the work flow | May 13 07:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | excellent! | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I might soon work towards getting the publication patterns off wordpress | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | at least partly | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | the CMS treadmill "innovation" (so-called) means higher technical debt | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | techdirt imprisoned itself in wordpressDOTCOM | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | the bulletins, ipfs, gemini and others are a stepping stone towards where we want to be | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I tried gnunet but it's alphaware at this point | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | with gemini, the site is just tar -opt [direction], untar /tar -xf directory, then add demon of choice | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | like vget in openbsd, which is just hundreds of LOCs iirc and open port | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it does not have widepsread adoption yet and dealing with attachment is hard | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I hope that will change in due course | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I stopped making material ABOUT gemini | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | Disinformation https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/meet-the-head-of-bidens-new-disinformation-governing-board/ | May 13 07:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | Meet the Head of Biden’s New “Disinformation Governing Board” | The Nation | May 13 07:20 | |
| schestowitz-TR | this is what worries me | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | CAs aside, it seems like | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) social control media gatekeepers , e.g. "hacker" "news" | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) sofwtare designed to block/suppress some sites | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3) balkanised Web, GOVERNMENT-imposed blacklists, amybe ISPs to join | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | to "prtect us" | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | we don't need to wait until the "showdown" | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | kriakou (cia whistleblower; we used to interact online) warns that this is about shutting off | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | "undesirable" voices like his | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | at one point only RT would consider him "permissible" | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and CONSORTRIUM NEWS | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now they crack down on those, too | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and those who appeared in RT have "splaining" top do | May 13 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I meant vger earlier, not vget | May 13 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | it probably lacks many features | May 13 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the complexity of those things is very low, a bit like irc pre v.3 | May 13 07:21 |
| Techrights-sec | yes it's happening on both sides of the Atlantic | May 13 07:22 |
| Techrights-sec | however only a tiny amount of politicians even act aware of the problem | May 13 07:22 |
| Techrights-sec | they could probably be counted on one hand, and then to make it worse, | May 13 07:22 |
| Techrights-sec | only a subset ofthose is activng | May 13 07:22 |
| Techrights-sec | vger requires one bit of very specialized knowledge to get running | May 13 07:22 |
| Techrights-sec | for those that know it, it is deads simple to set up | May 13 07:22 |
| Techrights-sec | for those that lack the background it is a non-starter | May 13 07:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | few remaining politicians are tech-savvy | May 13 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some of the experts they recruit are microsofters | May 13 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | seems like patrick breyer might be the exception | May 13 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | but among "establishment" politicians his party is regarded a laughing stock | May 13 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | (the name never helped, even as tongue-in-cheeck) | May 13 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | "darknet" = something we cannot control | May 13 07:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | "shitcoin" = also something we cannot control, but that does not make it virtuous | May 13 07:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | "shitcoin scams in the darknet" = associating scams and crime with thge former | May 13 07:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | where the name, "darknet", does not help either | May 13 07:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | www = FB | May 13 07:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | self-hosted WWW = LOL!!! YOUR SHITTTY SITE LOOKS SO 90s!!! LOL!!! And no "valid" cert... | May 13 07:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | what about privacy??? Says the person froma a TWITTER account, running a pileshit of JS | May 13 07:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | just to render 140 chars of shitpost | May 13 07:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | in an account that demands 2FA with phone number an "APPS" that transmits location throughout | May 13 07:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | the day | May 13 07:28 |
| Techrights-sec | they're not experts only sales teams and lobbyists posing as experts | May 13 07:29 |
| Techrights-sec | the policitians like that because it is familiar and they get campaign money | May 13 07:29 |
| Techrights-sec | self-hosed will soon be defacto illegal; self-signed certificates have been | May 13 07:29 |
| Techrights-sec | dropped from some libraries and modules, not just the major browsers | May 13 07:29 |
| Techrights-sec | surveillance is one of the objectives common to both industry and government | May 13 07:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | GOVERNMENT-FUNDED "industry" | May 13 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | you saw my link from yesterday | May 13 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | if the tech giants fail, the taxpayers will bail "big tech" like they do "big banks" | May 13 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | if the US goes under | May 13 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | China will do the same | May 13 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is about "national interest", not "job creation" | May 13 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | the high-paid workers are riding tax money and national debt | May 13 07:31 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | May 13 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | I like to use the term "doping" | May 13 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | like business that net VC money | May 13 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | and quickly waste that on gradeur | May 13 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | like using up the harvest by Sewptember | May 13 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | to thenm starve in winter | May 13 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'd rather earn little, slowly, not buy a second-hand mercedes to make impressions | May 13 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | "fighting desertification" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/un-report-warns-earth-crossroads-battle-against-global-drought-crisis | May 13 07:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | UN Report Warns Earth at 'Crossroads' in Battle Against Global Drought Crisis | May 13 07:33 | |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> "Russia warned Thursday that it would not hesitate to retaliate should Finland join NATO" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/russia-threatens-retaliatory-steps-finland-inches-closer-joining-nato | Source: Common Dreams | May 13 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Russia Threatens 'Retaliatory Steps' as Finland Inches Closer to Joining NATO | May 13 07:35 | |
| schestowitz-TR | just noticed pi's nginx served over 6k pages yesterday | May 13 07:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | we have another pi available, same OS, could do HA at home although both rely on same ISP | May 13 07:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK, I've just opened the "merged" revised file | May 13 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | very well done | May 13 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will integrate this into my workflow | May 13 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | I might have to change timeline.sh a tad bit | May 13 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | then I will check what it looks like in gemtext | May 13 08:08 |
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| Techrights-sec | thanks | May 13 08:15 |
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| Techrights-sec | context? | May 13 08:55 |
| schestowitz | " | May 13 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Links 11/05/2022: KDE Gear 22.04.1 and EuroLinux 8.6 | May 13 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Posted in News Roundup at 8:42 am by Dr. Roy SchestowitzContentsGNU/LinuxDistributionsDevices/EmbeddedFree Software/Open SourceLeftovers | May 13 08:57 |
| schestowitz | " | May 13 08:57 |
| Techrights-sec | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/12/eurolinux-8-6/ | May 13 09:08 |
| Techrights-sec | checkcing | May 13 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is just that I am guessing thiss line is about to become a lot longer | May 13 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | it would be good for gemini when all gemini articles are presented in a way that does not give | May 13 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | the impression of afterhought or second-class citizenry | May 13 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am guilty of that sometimes, e.g. with memes, but I started including headlines too and author names | May 13 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | from screenshots | May 13 09:10 |
| Techrights-sec | yes so it should be removed since Gemiini does not have internal links | May 13 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | That looks very nice in largance though, it shows full index for the page on the sidebar and clicking takes you to the rig | May 13 09:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | ht section | May 13 09:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | better experience than in "modern" Web browsers | May 13 09:11 |
| Techrights-sec | check git | May 13 09:18 |
| Techrights-sec | running cron updater | May 13 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok check the above link | May 13 09:22 |
| Techrights-sec | ok check the above link | May 13 09:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | great, this also fixed that for other posts where the categories did not fit in and lacked spaces | May 13 09:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne is posting in tm, soon I will post daily links, I am not working on timeline.sh wokflow | May 13 09:23 |
| Techrights-sec | np | May 13 09:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | is there a change in another file that latches onto links-toc.pl and is not updates in git? | May 13 10:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | *updated | May 13 10:02 |
| Techrights-sec | yes ... checking | May 13 10:06 |
| Techrights-sec | added to git; I thought I had it symlinked but don't since I have to customize | May 13 10:06 |
| Techrights-sec | the paths | May 13 10:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am guessing it's a fuction call somewhere and that I can add that at my end as well | May 13 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | I got it working | May 13 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/about-bsd | May 13 10:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Links 13/05/2022: End of ‘About BSD’ | Techrights | May 13 10:25 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I tried a bunch of things to get things after Leftovers to also show up in the TOC | May 13 10:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | for some reason it stop after Leftovers | May 13 10:26 |
| schestowitz | https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ftechrights.org%2F%3Fstoriesddd&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.3+http%3A%2F%2Fvalidator.w3.org%2Fservices | May 13 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-validator.w3.org | [Invalid] Markup Validation of http://techrights.org/?storiesddd - W3C Markup Validator | May 13 10:29 | |
| Techrights-sec | ok checking | May 13 10:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was just about to suggest sending that | May 13 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | hang on ... | May 13 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | sorry, I was posting to TM, so got distracted | May 13 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec | The input file is the 2022-05-13.html or 2022-05-13-merged.html nothing else | May 13 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec | what file are you trying to process with links-toc.pl ? | May 13 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks for the validator links, there are some warnings and errors I can fix | May 13 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec | from here but not all | May 13 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec | new template | May 13 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec | Error Line 4408, Column 12: ID "ipfs-table" already defined | May 13 10:44 |
| Techrights-sec | Info Line 1865, Column 12: ID "ipfs-table" first defined here | May 13 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK, #m[number] works now | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will copy the template | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have juts tested with past 6 daily links' input files | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes it goes further than leftovers | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wonder if invalid xhtml is what causes it to panic | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | testing some more | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am starting to suspect is gets baffled ifthe first level sections have items in them, but still testing | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, OK, now I am quite sure | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | | | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | |-Section A | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | |-news | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | |-Section B | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | would break and show just Section A | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you remove "news" | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | |-Section A | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | |----Section B | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | |----Secttion C | May 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | then it copes OK | May 13 10:56 |
| Techrights-sec | id attributes must be unique so if they are to be repeated then class would | May 13 10:57 |
| Techrights-sec | be more appropriate for formatting and layout matters | May 13 10:57 |
| Techrights-sec | great | May 13 10:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | the ipfs validation error (and similar) are due to me "not writing enough articles" | May 13 10:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the blogs's front page shows two "IRC posts" among the "latest 8" and sections are redefined with nonunqie IDs | May 13 10:58 |
| Techrights-sec | akc | May 13 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | I could just abstain from nesting iterms directly under level 1 headings | May 13 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | that would not be hard | May 13 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | about to set off cycling | May 13 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | checking all of today's gz files | May 13 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | tm, wordpress, drupal OK; only wiki gz invalid | May 13 11:17 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 13 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbl | May 13 11:17 |
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| schestowitz-TR | back home | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | saved about 40 | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | now properly back (desk) | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | on the way back I thought, | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | iunstead of #m[number] | May 13 14:10 |
| Techrights-sec | good savings | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe pick random letter | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | as some pages contain muliple batches of Daily Links | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | hence there is a good chande if id collision | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | which not only renders validation errors | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | but also ambiguity as to what direction the drirector links to | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | with 50+ letters the program goes away, or maybe some other thing, date would be the worst UID | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | as the collusion would typically occur with batches of the same date | May 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, my "leave my job" draft can be rcycled as "going part part" to focus on the site | May 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | pending confirmation | May 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | we did the maths and realise there's no way to retire, not even close, far toioo early | May 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | He's not wrong. Twitter is FAKING its numbers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/musk_twitter_on_hold/ see https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/ | May 13 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold over bot count • The Register | May 13 16:07 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Twitter is Not as Important as the Media Wants Us to Believe | Techrights | May 13 16:08 | |
| schestowitz-TR | He's not wrong. Twitter is FAKING its numbers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/musk_twitter_on_hold/ see https://tec | May 13 16:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Could not resolve host: tec; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tec ) | May 13 16:08 | |
| schestowitz-TR | hrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/ | May 13 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | realising they pay for a pile of dying shit | May 13 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | while twitter makes my account seem like suddenly impression quadrupled | May 13 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it's obv. fake | May 13 16:08 |
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| Techrights-sec | Twitter is a massive disinformation megaphone and contol of it is worth | May 13 18:50 |
| Techrights-sec | a lot of money to some malevolent interests. | May 13 18:50 |
| Techrights-sec | what kind of actions + savings can put you on a trajectory to retire in 10 years | May 13 18:50 |
| Techrights-sec | ? | May 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | if I worked very very hard on "money", I could retire in 10 years | May 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | but then I'd losing 10 years trying to earn money | May 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the balanced approached is better | May 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe we'll even move somewhere that is less expensive | May 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that's just a thought | May 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | the world is too vaolatile atm | May 13 18:52 |
| Techrights-sec | ok I was wondering what timescale a balanced track would bring | May 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | I hope MusKSA withdrsw, then Twitter collapses, for good... | May 13 18:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | both of b/ | May 13 18:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | best of both worlds | May 13 18:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | in a sense | May 13 18:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | like Microsoft and Yhoo! | May 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | They kept doing that to Yahoo! | May 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | until Yahoo! died | May 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | Twitter would not recover | May 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | they already piss people off by saying Trump might come back | May 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | and Musk got TOOOOOONNNNS of freepress over fake, hypothetical, likely impossible | May 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | "free speech" | May 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | so he got his money's worth already | May 13 18:55 |
| Techrights-sec | a collapse of twitter would be to nearly everyone's advantage | May 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | also as shareholder | May 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | see the link (you sent?) re SEC investigation | May 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | regarding toc code, I can refrain from adding links right after level heading 1 | May 13 18:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | as I said, choosing a random letter eahc time for id would dodge ambiguity across batches of Daily Links | May 13 18:56 |
| Techrights-sec | I can look at that over the next few days, probably | May 13 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | re Twitter, a shame think we forgot to buy popcorn | May 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'd buy even without a discount | May 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | once again, as the "Why I hate Elon Musk Video" starts, | May 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | Musk get a ton of free publicity without spending a cent | May 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | Trump was good at that too | May 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | je just says Trump, free speech, a bunch of other stuff | May 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | and did not even seal the deal, it seems... | May 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | meanwhile Twitter Inc. puff up its chest | May 13 19:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | pretending to be big | May 13 19:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | like 4 times bigger | May 13 19:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | like AOL the floppy delivery system | May 13 19:04 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 13 19:04 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 13 19:20 |
| Techrights-sec | I'm not sure I understand what change is needed with the TOC code. Can you | May 13 19:20 |
| Techrights-sec | show a URL or more details? | May 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | sure, I need to demonstrate with two or more files | May 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | input files | May 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | doy uo | May 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think I froze ytalk, ctrl s/q | May 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | managed to undo that or maybe network lag | May 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | do you need clarification about random letter | May 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | or nested item right below level 1 heading? or both? | May 13 19:23 |
| Techrights-sec | ctrl s will freeze, ctrl q will unfreeze | May 13 19:23 |
| Techrights-sec | Clarification regarding which file. I suppose the Epoch could be used as part | May 13 19:24 |
| Techrights-sec | of the id attribute, that would make it unique enough since the script would | May 13 19:24 |
| Techrights-sec | be most unlikely to be run twice in one second | May 13 19:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | hour of day would make it unique enough | May 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne and I are scraping the pile of news quite hard thurd and friday | May 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | because there is almost nothing of substance | May 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will provide input files | May 13 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | May 13 19:30 |
| Techrights-sec | tm is having trouble | May 13 19:30 |
| Techrights-sec | or at least unreachable from here | May 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | see your account on pi | May 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) run with links-before.html | May 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) two now the one "with-sternberg" | May 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3) the diff is one link after leftovers | May 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | 4) the output diff is TOC going to end of file vs stopping at leftovers | May 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've just started ddos protector on TM | May 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | due to a surge (load avg 48) | May 13 19:31 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks | May 13 19:31 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | May 13 19:31 |
| Techrights-sec | tm is having trouble | May 13 19:31 |
| Techrights-sec | or at least unreachable from here | May 13 19:31 |
| Techrights-sec | checking file | May 13 19:31 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | ohl, oops, I put the files in MY homedor on YOUR server | May 13 19:33 |
| Techrights-sec | not seeing any new file in the home directory | May 13 19:33 |
| Techrights-sec | one problem might be also with the div id for the whole toc itself from | May 13 19:33 |
| Techrights-sec | the template | May 13 19:33 |
| Techrights-sec | ok looking | May 13 19:51 |
| Techrights-sec | taking a guess...working... | May 13 19:51 |
| Techrights-sec | ok check Git | May 13 19:51 |
| Techrights-sec | the id for the toc div is also replaced | May 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks | May 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | trying... | May 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | the IDs are much better now, that's very good | May 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | when I run it with sternberg the TOC ends after "leftovers" | May 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | I checked to be sure I use the latest revision | May 13 19:54 |
| Techrights-sec | make sure to use the latest template.html | May 13 19:58 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 13 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh, that would be it.... let me try | May 13 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, we had a bunch of old template lying about | May 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | but maybe not in git rather some some diretory somewhere? | May 13 20:08 |
| Techrights-sec | the one in Git is the authoritative one | May 13 20:08 |
| Techrights-sec | in the Links directory | May 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't remember where the old ones were, maybe the older git | May 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | but either way, mine had some hacks bolted onto it | May 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I filed it in git and will have to make subtle changes | May 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | my changes are very minor, I just need to test a few times | May 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | Ok, I found them, they are in ~/bin | May 13 20:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | template* files | May 13 20:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's how I remembered it | May 13 20:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will move them to a new dir | May 13 20:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are now 5 files under ~/bin/template | May 13 20:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | if I become part timer I should tidy those bits up as well | May 13 20:24 |
| Techrights-sec | Ok but the one all the perl scripts are based on is in Links in Git | May 13 20:26 |
| Techrights-sec | maybe best to delete or at least tar+gzip the old ones so they are | May 13 20:26 |
| Techrights-sec | out of the way | May 13 20:26 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | May 13 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've begun making my own 'deriv' of template | May 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | because I need a lot more "slots" for howtos | May 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the top part contains some 'logic' for adding the right date to title in wordpress | May 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are easy, trivial edits, I won't push these back | May 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have some vbery oddball workflow | May 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some magic mouse buttons to help make it faster | May 13 20:28 |
| Techrights-sec | I just add them on the fly with not-quite-macros | May 13 20:28 |
| Techrights-sec | extra mouse buttons would help a lot I expect | May 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I used to do the same with xbindkeys (still there, too) | May 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | but mouse if faster, the thumb just moves a little | May 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | gn | May 13 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will test here what needs testing | May 13 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | this will overll improve Daily links | May 13 20:33 |
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