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Techrights-sec2a file descriptor leak is one of the serious type of bugs which should beAug 14 05:40
Techrights-sec2fixed rather than making a work-around.  Should we still keep shadow and PAM?Aug 14 05:40
schestowitz-TRrunning manually nowAug 14 05:41
schestowitz-TRi removed shadow and pam the other dayAug 14 05:41
schestowitz-TRdo you know how cronning it can be done?Aug 14 05:41
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Techrights-sec2have you filed a bug report with the IPFS tool's project?Aug 14 07:18
Techrights-sec2Fixing the leak in the progam would be the long term solution.Aug 14 07:18
Techrights-sec2Filing bug reports is part of the cost of doing business.Aug 14 07:18
schestowitz-TRthere is no leaks I kno0w of in ipfsAug 14 07:19
schestowitz-TRthe issue is in handling of ulimit -nAug 14 07:19
Techrights-sec2upgraded current packages, there were many:Aug 14 07:21
Techrights-sec2# apk upgradeAug 14 07:21
Techrights-sec2the file descriptor leak ?  Aug 14 07:21
Techrights-sec2well, the system does have doas pre-installed, that could probably be usedAug 14 07:24
Techrights-sec2by the script to launch ulimitAug 14 07:24
schestowitz-TRat some point I thought of sudoers but thought it would be a strange way to tackle the issueAug 14 07:25
schestowitz-TRbut whetever works...Aug 14 07:25
Techrights-sec2unfortunately that sets it for the whole system, /etc/security/limits.confAug 14 07:39
Techrights-sec2would allow raising the allowed number of open files for the one account Aug 14 07:39
Techrights-sec2while leaving the others alone.  Aug 14 07:39
Techrights-sec2What was the ticket number on the bug report? Aug 14 07:39
schestowitz-TRI don't think any particular open bug was being alluded toAug 14 07:40
schestowitz-TRjust a design flawsAug 14 07:40
schestowitz-TR*flawAug 14 07:40
Techrights-sec2a design flaw is a bugAug 14 07:40
Techrights-sec2 Aug 14 07:46
Techrights-sec2a design flaw is a bug; I'd think that we could leave IPFS where it is for nowAug 14 07:46
Techrights-sec2until we find out the result of the bug report.  Can you file one?  I am Aug 14 07:46
Techrights-sec2quite unfamiliar with IPFS at all.  Aug 14 07:46
schestowitz-TRit is microsoft shithubAug 14 07:47
schestowitz-TRI could, indefinitely, just run the job manuallyAug 14 07:47
schestowitz-TRit's just a step backwards because in debian this was so simpleAug 14 07:47
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Techrights-sec2 I am Aug 14 08:39
Techrights-sec2quite unfamiliar with IPFS at all.  I don't have an account there IIRCAug 14 08:39
Techrights-sec2yesAug 14 08:39
Techrights-sec2Debian is afflicted with PAM.  We could put PAM back but I'm not sure if/howAug 14 08:39
Techrights-sec2this version of cron works with PAM.  I did take a guess in /etc/pam.d/cronAug 14 08:39
Techrights-sec2But that would mean afflicting the system with PAM by adding shadow linux-pam shadow-login againAug 14 08:39
Techrights-sec2https://rustipfs.com/ ?Aug 14 08:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rustipfs.com | Rust IPFSAug 14 08:39
Techrights-sec2over on tm-new, should we start to spider the old HTTP pages onto the new     Aug 14 08:39
Techrights-sec2system using wget?Aug 14 08:39
Techrights-sec2it'll take a bit of trial and errorAug 14 08:39
schestowitz-TRat first, only nodes after 27/6/22Aug 14 08:40
schestowitz-TRthe url schemes makes it easyAug 14 08:40
schestowitz-TRtdoay I sunday,. I built a lot of sleep "storage" already, so let's migrate those pages over today (slow news), then set up redirections, amybe then revert back to the Aug 14 08:40
schestowitz-TRgood backup, seeing that the new site is OKAug 14 08:40
schestowitz-TRlater change the rss url with a redirectionAug 14 08:40
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166500 is June 26thAug 14 08:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Motion Detection with PIR and Raspberry PI: HC-SR501 wiring and Python Code | Tux MachinesAug 14 08:42
schestowitzTHat's before we had issuesAug 14 08:42
schestowitzso we need to wget every node from 166500  to 168322Aug 14 08:43
schestowitz-TRwhether we also grab images etc. is another matter, it may depend on whether they are linked with relative or absolute URLsAug 14 08:48
schestowitz-TRbut that's not the most crucial thingAug 14 08:48
schestowitz-TRthen, having wget'ed them all, maybe directly from tuxmachines-new, ee.g.Aug 14 08:48
schestowitz-TR/var/www/..../old/ ....Aug 14 08:48
schestowitz-TRwget http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166500Aug 14 08:48
schestowitz-TRwe set up redirection from http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166500Aug 14 08:48
schestowitz-TR to news.tuxmachines.org/old/166500Aug 14 08:48
schestowitz-TRand on and on until 168322Aug 14 08:48
schestowitz-TRthat's a lot or redirection, but they can be removed in the futureAug 14 08:48
schestowitz-TReven with wildcardAug 14 08:48
schestowitz-TRthat would at least make a FULL backup of all "content" added since the point in time we revert back toAug 14 08:48
Techrights-sec2--convert-links can help with that along with --page-requisitesAug 14 08:54
Techrights-sec2only a single pattern is needed for that Aug 14 08:54
Techrights-sec2Ok there is a tmux session running wget under the account 'tuxmachines' on     Aug 14 08:54
Techrights-sec2tm-newAug 14 08:54
Techrights-sec2yes the failure log is in /home/tuxmachines/wget-*.logAug 14 08:54
Techrights-sec2by dateAug 14 08:54
Techrights-sec2she can post, that's not a problem, the mirroring will take a long timeAug 14 08:54
schestowitz-TRMirroring the pages (I told rianne to stop posting new nodes)Aug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRshould not take long, you can do 1000 pages an hourAug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRthen check logs to see all moved OKAug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRthen we make another last DB dump, just in caseAug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRthen squeeze in redirection for those pagesAug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRthen revert back to old DB dump (June)Aug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRbut wait, don't mirror everythingAug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRjust nodes 166500 onwardsAug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRbecause the old site is complexAug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRso the cutoff atm is june 27thAug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRi intentially refrained from posting anything "special" like Blog Posts since thenAug 14 08:55
schestowitz-TRor uploading any new imagesAug 14 08:55
Techrights-sec2just the /nodes hierarchy is being harvested, wget is not so complex thatAug 14 08:56
Techrights-sec2it can take calculations into account so unnecessary material can be culledAug 14 08:56
Techrights-sec2afterwardsAug 14 08:56
schestowitz-TRI know the site very wellAug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRthe right approach would be,Aug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRget only nodes 166500Aug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRonwardsAug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRthis is easily done in bash, with loop index i after /node/Aug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRthat can then go under the html dir under "old" or similarAug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TR"old" sounds bad, maybe "legacy"Aug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRthen we need to make sure we're satisfied with how the pages appear and that links in them workAug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRthen set redirection for themAug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRon the old serverAug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRthat would be a solid first step and the most major stepAug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRanything after that is easy-peasyAug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRI had this planned for months, I know exactly how to do that without turning away visitorsAug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TRI know you worry about very old pages, we can deal with them a lot laterAug 14 09:01
schestowitz-TR\also, load would tape off the moment all "new" (past 2 months' pages) go to newAug 14 09:01
Techrights-sec2"old" is just a working name it can be renamed once the download is completeAug 14 09:05
Techrights-sec2it might even be removed so that ./node can be moved up a levelAug 14 09:05
Techrights-sec2maybe aim for 1 September as the change over date?Aug 14 09:05
schestowitz-TRyeahAug 14 09:05
schestowitz-TRI was just thinking, I want to make local and remote DB backup before reverting backAug 14 09:05
schestowitz-TRI already made a remote (at home) copy of the DB to revery back toAug 14 09:05
schestowitz-TRjust so that we can always roll back any errors madeAug 14 09:05
schestowitz-TRsunday is a good day for such a taskAug 14 09:05
schestowitz-TRthe new site generally works OKAug 14 09:09
schestowitz-TRthe only difference is, if swapped over it'll get a higher loadAug 14 09:09
schestowitz-TRone thing I noticed is, when the rss file gets updates for about a second or two it can be in a funny stats, as it is being written to rather than a temp fileAug 14 09:09
schestowitz-TRand then cp temp live-rss-feed.xmlAug 14 09:09
schestowitz-TRaside from that, things work well enough and it's a lot fasterAug 14 09:09
schestowitz-TRmarius has access alreadyAug 14 09:09
schestowitz-TRthe other posters mostyly promote their own stuff, which is sometimes spam, howtos, or stuff I could just post myself anywayAug 14 09:09
schestowitz-TR(the other day I had to remove from the front page some spamnil-style piece of junk from a firm that has an account there)Aug 14 09:09
Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 09:15
Techrights-sec2should the RSS be done with a temp file followed by a swap out ?  Aug 14 09:15
schestowitz-TRi forgot the formal technical name for itAug 14 09:20
schestowitz-TRbut the idea is, only swap one rss file for another version when both are validAug 14 09:20
schestowitz-TRotherwise, while polling you can sometimes get a file that's open and being written intoAug 14 09:20
schestowitz-TRtuxmachines does not depend much on gulagAug 14 09:20
schestowitz-TRbut a loyal base of followers since decades pastAug 14 09:20
schestowitz-TRI am in tmux session "copy" while seems idleAug 14 09:20
schestowitz-TRwhere are you fetching new nodes?Aug 14 09:20
schestowitz-TRif all URLs in the dlownloaded pages are made ABSOLUTE, then it'll look like a perfect copyAug 14 09:20
schestowitz-TRwhich is what we wantAug 14 09:20
schestowitz-TRno need to download any images then, just the raw html, with absolute links in images, pages etc.Aug 14 09:20
Techrights-sec2okAug 14 09:21
Techrights-sec2su -c 'tmux attach-session -t wget' -l tuxmachinesAug 14 09:21
Techrights-sec2su -c 'tmux new-session -s copy -t wget' -l tuxmachinesAug 14 09:21
Techrights-sec2su -c 'tmux attach-session -t copy' -l tuxmachinesAug 14 09:21
schestowitz-TRlooking under webroot/oldAug 14 09:26
schestowitz-TRit seems like you download the whole siteAug 14 09:26
schestowitz-TRand the urls are sometimes relative, e.g. /files/logo.pngAug 14 09:26
schestowitz-TRat this stage we just need to download about 1800 pages, whose url is predictable (+1 increment)Aug 14 09:26
schestowitz-TRwith absolute url everywhere)Aug 14 09:26
Techrights-sec2still experimentingAug 14 09:30
schestowitz-TRthanks, good oneAug 14 09:36
schestowitz-TRat the point where the new server has the new nodes showing as identical to the originals (absolute links in images too)Aug 14 09:36
schestowitz-TRwe can add redirections from old (dynamic) to new (static) for these pagesAug 14 09:36
schestowitz-TRthose nodes are sementically simple, by intentionAug 14 09:36
schestowitz-TR(node: for nodes of the past 1.5 weeks we'll have two copies, such that the new server has them in the new CMS and also mirrors of the sameAug 14 09:36
schestowitz-TRin the Drupal site)sAug 14 09:36
schestowitz-TRsearch engines might see that as "duplicate" content, hence better to minimise and port things overAug 14 09:36
schestowitz-TRthe above-mentioned rss thing only happens if I check for rss updates at the same time I add a node, so it's not a burning issueAug 14 09:36
schestowitz-TRdeiced to carry on posting, but only in newAug 14 09:48
schestowitz-TRbut will not take it "read-only" until after rolling back/reverting back to jun 27Aug 14 09:48
Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 09:52
schestowitz-TRseconds ago added the first "new-only" nodeAug 14 09:53
schestowitz-TRthe "old" directory should eventually contain just pages, no JS or imagesAug 14 09:53
Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 09:53
schestowitz-TRas those can be absolute url references to www and newsAug 14 09:53
schestowitz-TRin due course the db will only bear thew load for requests of nodes 1...166500Aug 14 09:53
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schestowitz-TRmarius has just added a node to "old"Aug 14 10:12
schestowitz-TR#168323Aug 14 10:12
schestowitz-TRhopefully the lastAug 14 10:12
schestowitz-TRI'lll copy it over the new just in caseAug 14 10:12
Techrights-sec2okAug 14 10:12
schestowitz-TRoh! miracle! my rss feed for howtoforge works againAug 14 10:13
schestowitz-TRafter like 6 months those idiotcs realise clownflaring it was idiotic Aug 14 10:13
schestowitz-TRharm was doneAug 14 10:13
Techrights-sec2:)Aug 14 10:14
schestowitz-TRafter today we may be able to turn off all the crontabs for DB backup of TM, local and remoteAug 14 10:32
schestowitz-TRas new nodes go into sqlite and the static html filesAug 14 10:32
schestowitz-TRadded toay's howtos in new only, first such batchAug 14 10:32
schestowitz-TRupdating my irc scripts (links only to new site)Aug 14 10:32
Techrights-sec2okAug 14 10:32
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Techrights-sec2refresh-site-from-db.sh now uses temporary filesAug 14 10:37
schestowitz-TRlovely! checking code, I did see you had changed something...Aug 14 10:38
schestowitz-TRI am testing the irc bits at the momentAug 14 10:38
schestowitz-TROh, I see, you not do the same for front page and geminiAug 14 10:39
schestowitz-TRthat's greatAug 14 10:39
Techrights-sec2refresh-site-from-db.sh now uses temporary filesAug 14 10:42
Techrights-sec2faster that wayAug 14 10:42
Techrights-sec2subjectively speakingAug 14 10:42
schestowitz-TRsorry to be rushing these last-min changes like thisAug 14 10:47
schestowitz-TRI had 4 "extra" hours of sleep and it's a slow news dayAug 14 10:47
schestowitz-TRso perfect day to progress to next phaseAug 14 10:47
schestowitz-TRtbh, even if we don't finish the wget and apsche redirect thing, I could just redirect the rss feed alone, for now...Aug 14 10:47
schestowitz-TRone concern I had was, can all rss readers deal with it (afaik, apache deals with the 301 transparenlly)Aug 14 10:47
schestowitz-TRthe second thing is, if we change from rss to atom/xml, can rss readers cope? I think so)Aug 14 10:47
schestowitz-TRheck, why not change the url now and add the redirect? might as well, no?Aug 14 10:47
Techrights-sec2It'd be safer to wait until next Sunday or so, after we can ensure thatAug 14 10:52
Techrights-sec2wget did its job correctly.Aug 14 10:52
Techrights-sec2Perhaps the new Atom feed could be used from the old site, but it wouldAug 14 10:52
Techrights-sec2point to the URLs which are on the test site and not the production site.Aug 14 10:52
Techrights-sec2It's getting closer to being 'ready' though.Aug 14 10:52
schestowitz-TRi agree entirely.Aug 14 10:53
schestowitz-TRok, am making changes here to 3 more filesAug 14 10:53
schestowitz-TRwhen alll tests ok, will push to git, then try redirecting atomAug 14 10:53
schestowitz-TRthen test with various vaalidatora and rss readersAug 14 10:54
schestowitz-TRjust to catch any issuesAug 14 10:54
schestowitz-TRwill redirect to http, not https, for nowAug 14 10:54
schestowitz-TRto avoid the CA panicAug 14 10:54
schestowitz-TRat reader level anywayAug 14 10:54
schestowitz-TRI know atom may link to https Aug 14 10:54
Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 10:54
schestowitz-TRchanges pushed to gitAug 14 11:01
schestowitz-TRexperimenting with 301 rediurect nowAug 14 11:01
schestowitz-TRgiven that old site won't get more node additions, I will also redirect root later, but root aloneAug 14 11:01
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schestowitz-TRadded two redirectionsAug 14 11:37
schestowitz-TRand on the logs they will leave trailing parts after "?"Aug 14 11:37
schestowitz-TRso you can see and know where the redir comes fromAug 14 11:37
schestowitz-TRon to testingAug 14 11:37
schestowitzroy@vonick:~$ wget http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feedAug 14 11:40
schestowitz--2022-08-14 11:39:41--  http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feedAug 14 11:40
schestowitzResolving www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)... 23.161.112.115Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzConnecting to www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)|23.161.112.115|:80... connected.Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved PermanentlyAug 14 11:40
schestowitzLocation: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed [following]Aug 14 11:40
schestowitz--2022-08-14 11:39:41--  http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feedAug 14 11:40
schestowitzResolving news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)... 204.197.160.2Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzConnecting to news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)|204.197.160.2|:80... connected.Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OKAug 14 11:40
schestowitzLength: 37025 (36K) [application/xml]Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzSaving to: ‘feed’Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzfeed                                         100%[==============================================================================================>]  36.16K   173KB/s    in 0.2s    Aug 14 11:40
schestowitz2022-08-14 11:39:42 (173 KB/s) - ‘feed’ saved [37025/37025]Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzroy@vonick:~$ wget http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed/Aug 14 11:40
schestowitz--2022-08-14 11:39:58--  http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed/Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzResolving www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)... 23.161.112.115Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzConnecting to www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)|23.161.112.115|:80... connected.Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved PermanentlyAug 14 11:40
schestowitzLocation: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed/ [following]Aug 14 11:40
schestowitz--2022-08-14 11:39:59--  http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed/Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzResolving news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)... 204.197.160.2Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzConnecting to news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)|204.197.160.2|:80... connected.Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OKAug 14 11:40
schestowitzLength: 37025 (36K) [application/xml]Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzSaving to: ‘index.html.1’Aug 14 11:40
schestowitzindex.html.1                                 100%[==============================================================================================>]  36.16K   181KB/s    in 0.2s    Aug 14 11:41
schestowitz2022-08-14 11:39:59 (181 KB/s) - ‘index.html.1’ saved [37025/37025]Aug 14 11:41
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schestowitz-TR301 works OK, in both casesirc bots are all set, the posting workflow is now simplifiedAug 14 11:44
schestowitz-TRI'll test to see if some readers might have issuesAug 14 11:44
schestowitz-TRrss feeds >> social control media accountAug 14 11:44
Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 11:44
schestowitzquiterss copes okAug 14 11:55
schestowitzas I hoped akregator copes ok with the redirectionAug 14 11:55
schestowitzits build-in browser struggles to load the pages though, but we don't pew JS or anythingAug 14 11:55
schestowitzchecking in konqeror and rekonq out of curioustityAug 14 11:55
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roythey should cope ok, if they support proper HTTP for fetchig the Atom or RSSAug 14 12:04
royfeedAug 14 12:04
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schestowitz-TR2bblAug 14 12:10
schestowitz-TR2cyclingAug 14 12:10
chunkybblAug 14 12:11
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Techrights-sec2ack Aug 14 12:12
schestowitz-TR2hahaAug 14 12:12
schestowitz-TR2chunky: no woman no cyclingAug 14 12:12
chunky;DAug 14 12:12
chunkyDOWN WITH WOMEN UP WITH GNU!Aug 14 12:12
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Techrights-sec2they should cope ok, if they support proper HTTP for fetchig the Atom or RSSAug 14 15:00
Techrights-sec2feedAug 14 15:00
Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 15:00
Techrights-sec2wget seems to have finished with /nodeAug 14 15:01
Techrights-sec2FINISHED --2022-08-14 10:56:32--Aug 14 15:01
Techrights-sec2Total wall clock time: 2h 20m 52sAug 14 15:01
Techrights-sec2Downloaded: 3893 files, 96M in 0.9s (102 MB/s)Aug 14 15:01
Techrights-sec23893 files seems like it might be a small subset of what's supposed to be thereAug 14 15:01
Techrights-sec2PeppermintOS torrent ratio is now > 7.7Aug 14 15:02
Techrights-sec2recent and old versions of Linux Mint remain at 1.8Aug 14 15:02
Techrights-sec2these are just anecdotal observations thoughAug 14 15:02
schestowitz-TR2properly back nowAug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2chose a different canal today, so it was more interestingAug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2the sites seem to be OKAug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2regarding wgetAug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2there are over 170k pages in the siteAug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2and the structute is complex, there are interconnected CMSsAug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2what I suggets is just doing a loop over /i/Aug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2than using i for /node/$iAug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2with all objects in it as absoluire, domain and all Aug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2there /i/ is 160,somethingAug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2later they serve as backup, following resotre from backup, followed by read-onlyAug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2wget does not need to do anything recursively and if it gets a page every 2 seconds, 30 per minutes, it can get everything in less than an hourAug 14 15:11
schestowitz-TR2brb, catching upAug 14 15:11
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Techrights-sec2what would be that start value for $i and the end value for it?Aug 14 15:26
schestowitz-TR2checkingAug 14 15:26
schestowitz-TR2166500Aug 14 15:26
schestowitz-TR2untilAug 14 15:26
schestowitz-TR2168324Aug 14 15:26
Techrights-sec2that's just a few thousandAug 14 15:26
schestowitz-TR2those are nodes that can be copies losslessly and would later be removed from "old"Aug 14 15:28
schestowitz-TR2we'll use another strategy for the older archives at a later point, for now the old site will still serve themAug 14 15:28
Techrights-sec2checkingAug 14 15:28
Techrights-sec2okAug 14 15:28
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schestowitz-TR2all the hard parts are already well behind usAug 14 15:32
schestowitz-TR2and it went more smoothly than I had imaginedAug 14 15:32
schestowitz-TR2we can 'innovate' on top of it now that we're not boxed inside drupal's loopAug 14 15:32
schestowitz-TR2like push notifications and suchAug 14 15:32
schestowitz-TR2we already support http, http over tls, and gemini with tls, topic only for new updates (not public api though), same for git updatesAug 14 15:32
Techrights-sec2runningAug 14 15:33
Techrights-sec2excellentAug 14 15:33
Techrights-sec2locked keys could be used to allow editing without shell accessAug 14 15:33
schestowitz-TR2there is also irc, with a bot or two there, but that's not newAug 14 15:37
schestowitz-TR2we must think beyond www (net+dns OK) to stay relevant as more people adopt GNU/Linux and need news, forums etc.Aug 14 15:37
schestowitz-TR2sometimes at work we still get calls from random people needing "Linux" supportAug 14 15:37
schestowitz-TR2a lot of webforums were destroyed by spam, spinders, trolls...Aug 14 15:37
schestowitz-TR2ubuntu is shilling clown, not offering any community forumsAug 14 15:37
schestowitz-TR2clown= you pay rent for a PRIOPRIETARY system and then they give you "commercial support" for the proprietary crap only they can supoport(monopolies beget bad servicAug 14 15:38
schestowitz-TR2e)Aug 14 15:38
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Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 15:41
Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 15:41
Techrights-sec2their 'ask ubuntu' was kind of a way to close down the forumsAug 14 15:41
Techrights-sec2the Forums were much of the community activity and kept the buzz goingAug 14 15:41
Techrights-sec2they should have had a community manager as liaison between the communityAug 14 15:41
Techrights-sec2and the company.  Instead they had an a-hole spinmeister who tried what he couldAug 14 15:41
Techrights-sec2to boss the community around from on high and rub everyone the wrong wayAug 14 15:41
schestowitz-TR2openrespectAug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2not freeAug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2open Aug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2"RESPECT MICROSOFT"=ZemlinAug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2LF= we started as Linux, not we're openwashing everhything, even vaccinesAug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2Canononical=we make a better distro (Debian), not we offer many services, Ubuntu and WSL are among the "products"Aug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2tl;dr: cannopt trust corporations to manage communitiers (same with fedora and "open"suse... what's left of those)Aug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2now, SUSE="WE CAN GOOD ON CLOWN.. oh, you want SAP??"Aug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR23~Aug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2in some sense we are back to 1980s or 1990sAug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2the corporations have too much control Aug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2so grassroots efforts emerge, looking for collective control or emancipationAug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2github is a hornet's nest, it's like a cage calling on the communities to enterAug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2before they shut itAug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2linuxtoday is trying to make a shilling by running like 15 webspam plugs... IBM+Microsoft site Aug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2it's run not by an eidotr but a strulling companyAug 14 15:46
schestowitz-TR2if thjey don;t monetise it, they will shuit it downAug 14 15:46
Techrights-sec2LF is shilling more too, and Brodie Roberston is peddling what they are selling.Aug 14 15:50
Techrights-sec2Or has peddled at least in his recent video.  Aug 14 15:50
Techrights-sec2Certifications are scams.  Some of his are ok, and it is interesting to getAug 14 15:50
Techrights-sec2his generation's perspective, but lately he has been off the mark and evenAug 14 15:50
Techrights-sec2outright wrong.  :(Aug 14 15:50
schestowitz-TR2he invests (financially) in his videosAug 14 15:50
schestowitz-TR2time tooAug 14 15:50
schestowitz-TR2but the content isn't all that greatAug 14 15:50
schestowitz-TR2did you see the video I posted last night of zemlin? Aug 14 15:50
schestowitz-TR2it's just 20 secondsAug 14 15:50
schestowitz-TR2good for a laughAug 14 15:50
Techrights-sec2No, I did read the accompanying text though.  Aug 14 15:51
Techrights-sec2gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/13/proprietary-keynote/ ? Aug 14 15:51
schestowitz-TR2I should have added a link, replicating the url for the videoAug 14 15:52
schestowitz-TR2mea culpaAug 14 15:52
schestowitz-TR2I only remember when it's webm and automatedAug 14 15:52
schestowitz-TR2rant: just deleted another 20 odd stories on michael westAug 14 15:53
schestowitz-TR2filter on aap, delet allAug 14 15:53
schestowitz-TR2I don't are what ap australia saysAug 14 15:53
schestowitz-TR2if I wanted ap, I'd sub to apAug 14 15:53
schestowitz-TR2 /s/are/care/Aug 14 15:53
Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 15:55
schestowitz-TR2"jim, do you reject linux because it's not reliable enough for you"Aug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2[him goes on, messing up a keynote WITHOUT Linux]Aug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2I saw that a lot with WionndowsAug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2it got so bad people came with prior expectation it "might not work'Aug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2and needed fallbacksAug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2or borrowed another person's PC with usb stickAug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2and wasted minutes, destroying the whole talk/schedule/plan Aug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2delaying or shortening food breaksAug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2turns out windows monopoculture/monopoly is not assurance of smooth operationsAug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2security-wise, quite the contraryAug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2in uni they would have the audacity to dedicate one machine too talks and ask us in advance to send Aug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2"our powerpoint presentation"Aug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2(almost 20 years ago)Aug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2so they also try to impose on you what software to work with and use to presentAug 14 16:00
schestowitz-TR2failing to see how inqdequate that isAug 14 16:01
schestowitz-TR2what next? imposing speaking tempo? voice? race? use of hands?Aug 14 16:01
Techrights-sec2it is the opposite of smooth operations due to not only the flaws betweenAug 14 16:01
Techrights-sec2versions, which are used to upsell, but also the flaws communicating withAug 14 16:01
Techrights-sec2others even when using the /exact/ same versionsAug 14 16:01
schestowitz-TR2I used HTMl for my presentationsAug 14 16:12
schestowitz-TR2later some ODFAug 14 16:12
schestowitz-TR2and latexAug 14 16:12
schestowitz-TR2i.e. present from pdf  Aug 14 16:12
schestowitz-TR2it's easy to export these to html tooAug 14 16:12
schestowitz-TR2sorry, I messed upoAug 14 16:21
schestowitz-TR2did you manage to read what I said about drm and rootkitsAug 14 16:21
schestowitz-TR2and how because it's steam, then they're "OK" nopw?Aug 14 16:21
schestowitz-TR2After I mentioned how bloatesidered better than MSIE-onyl; or Windows-onlyAug 14 16:21
schestowitz-TR2you also started writing something yourself Aug 14 16:23
schestowitz-TR2anyway, it's the whole "at-lkeast-it's-not-microsoftism"Aug 14 16:23
schestowitz-TR2and how now when we use a lot of bad things we just assume that Gulag with Summer of Labour is beyond criticismAug 14 16:23
schestowitz-TR2and using its browsers to run things as a mere runtime is OKAug 14 16:23
schestowitz-TR2webchats, presentation, conferences etc,.Aug 14 16:23
schestowitz-TR2]Aug 14 16:23
Techrights-sec2almostAug 14 16:23
Techrights-sec2oh wellAug 14 16:23
Techrights-sec2Google is no longer much better.  Yes, it's better but only barely, andAug 14 16:23
Techrights-sec2furthermore the direction it is continuing to head is no good.Aug 14 16:23
schestowitz-TR2I pressed ctrl+c for copyAug 14 16:24
schestowitz-TR2forgot the contextAug 14 16:24
schestowitz-TR2but I think you at least read thatAug 14 16:24
schestowitz-TR2not much lost, except you started typing something when I pressed thr wrong keysAug 14 16:24
Techrights-sec2npAug 14 16:36
schestowitz-TR2each time this happens it becomes less probable it'll happen againAug 14 16:38
schestowitz-TR2due to the undesirable mess that followsAug 14 16:38
schestowitz-TR2been months since I last made this errorAug 14 16:38
schestowitz-TR2but like I said, I don't think anything was lostAug 14 16:38
schestowitz-TR2from mind or unreadAug 14 16:38
schestowitz-TR2ytalk is still good all in allAug 14 16:38
schestowitz-TR2more real-time than ircAug 14 16:38
schestowitz-TR2I plan to tell marius that he cannot add images yetAug 14 16:41
schestowitz-TR2and that it is work in progressAug 14 16:41
schestowitz-TR2as for me, I have the ability to wget images into /FeaturesAug 14 16:41
schestowitz-TR2as a temporary measureAug 14 16:41
schestowitz-TR2I will teach rianne how to add imagesAug 14 16:41
schestowitz-TR2that directory has 182 images nowAug 14 16:41
Techrights-sec2the image part needs to be tested / finalized before the whole thing goes Aug 14 16:50
Techrights-sec2into production or it is ok to leave it off, tooAug 14 16:50
schestowitz-TR2tux machines did not have images until around 2014 when there were hotlinkedAug 14 16:52
schestowitz-TR2it is not good practice, it exposed to a lot of sites who reads TM,but for now we can focus on text and linksAug 14 16:52
schestowitz-TR2inotify+wget would still mean a command line stepAug 14 16:52
schestowitz-TR2for me, I just have an open terminal in the right dirAug 14 16:52
schestowitz-TR2anshul fromn geeks for geeks posts very low s/r these days "interviews"Aug 14 16:56
schestowitz-TR2irrelevant indiuan history textsAug 14 16:56
schestowitz-TR2likely "lifted". for seo..Aug 14 16:56
schestowitz-TR2and some promotional stuffAug 14 16:56
schestowitz-TR2soemtimes a few useful things, but lost in the seaAug 14 16:56
schestowitz-TR2same problem with many other sitesAug 14 16:56
Techrights-sec2sftp is another means to load the image but regardless, the work flow for imagesAug 14 16:56
Techrights-sec2needs a lot of reviewAug 14 16:56
schestowitz-TR2the images are probably the least important thingAug 14 16:57
schestowitz-TR2rss is key... and presentastionAug 14 16:57
schestowitz-TR2it's better tan the old siteAug 14 16:57
schestowitz-TR2btw, gemini hit counter passed 2000Aug 14 16:57
schestowitz-TR2it's being adopted more over timeAug 14 16:57
schestowitz-TR2first of its "kind" in that spaceAug 14 16:57
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> "TikTok has established itself as one of the top online platforms for U.S. teens, while the share of teens who use Facebook has fallen sharply" https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/08/10/teens-social-media-and-technology-2022/Aug 14 17:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pewresearch.org | Teens, Social Media and Technology 2022 | Pew Research CenterAug 14 17:06
Techrights-sec2top platform for indoctrination of said populationAug 14 17:07
schestowitz-TR2yes, you can guess under which categ i've just put that underAug 14 17:08
schestowitz-TR2under... under :/Aug 14 17:08
schestowitz-TR2pew=taking gates bribesAug 14 17:08
schestowitz-TR2but there's more to it than gatesAug 14 17:08
Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 17:15
schestowitz-TR2the web is rapidly becoming a tonnage of s**Aug 14 17:19
schestowitz-TR2sorry if that seems repetitiveAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR2I get loads of "diploma mill" spam in "linux" newsAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR2very few sites still try to report new stuffAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR2phoronix has few commentsAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR2so I assume it lost a lot of followingAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR2and the remaining "aggregators" rake in a lot of worthless junkAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR2it's not a problem of FINDINGAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR2it's a problem of material NOT EXISTINGAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR210 years aog there was so much you had to be picky what to link to Aug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR215 years ago there was a sea of Linux coverage in "tech" mediaAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR2not some chinese editor who had contributed to Microsoft sites and says evil "nerds" try to force her to use LinuxAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR2enderle is still writing some trash in datamationAug 14 17:20
Techrights-sec2they usually only trot out enderle for a reason  Aug 14 17:20
Techrights-sec2or two reasons, one to push a particular talking point,Aug 14 17:20
Techrights-sec2two to distract from something bigAug 14 17:20
schestowitz-TR2dfs said today (showed link) microsofters start floating windows 12 trashAug 14 17:22
schestowitz-TR2only last summer they had a fake "vista 111" 'leak'Aug 14 17:22
schestowitz-TR2to distract from two bombshellsAug 14 17:22
schestowitz-TR2of course nobody adopted sta 11  Aug 14 17:22
Techrights-sec2vista12Aug 14 17:22
schestowitz-TR2*vistaAug 14 17:22
schestowitz-TR2and 12 months later they do "12" gossip?Aug 14 17:22
schestowitz-TR2maybe a distraction from layoffs and shutdownsAug 14 17:22
schestowitz-TR2but people won't careAug 14 17:22
schestowitz-TR2the boy cried wold too many timesAug 14 17:22
schestowitz-TR2*woldAug 14 17:22
schestowitz-TR2*wolfAug 14 17:22
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schestowitz-TR2so far the site is holding up fine with the extra trafficAug 14 20:13
schestowitz-TR2I also find the workflow faster than with the old siteAug 14 20:13
schestowitz-TR2and all stuff is locally hosted, no Gulag Translate in the pageAug 14 20:13
Techrights-sec2goodAug 14 20:13
Techrights-sec2that's excellent newsAug 14 20:13
schestowitz-TR2much fasterAug 14 20:13
schestowitz-TR2if later on there are bumps on the way, that's OKAug 14 20:14
schestowitz-TR2we can overcome theseAug 14 20:14
schestowitz-TR2the old site's DB is not likely to change much at this stageAug 14 20:14
schestowitz-TR2when we have a working copy of those ~1800 nodes we can test redirects, then revert back to better DB prior  toAug 14 20:14
schestowitz-TR2the loss of random old pagesAug 14 20:14
schestowitz-TR2the move relieves a TON of energy resources, tooAug 14 20:18
schestowitz-TR2no need to hurry anything at this point, but if people come to the site NOT via RSS feeds it'll seem like no upates are posted, so the next stageAug 14 20:18
schestowitz-TR2will be redirecting the front page too, preferably AFTER the restore from Jne backu Aug 14 20:18
schestowitz-TR2*June backupAug 14 20:18
Techrights-sec2ackAug 14 20:23
schestowitz-TR2hmmm...Aug 14 20:25
schestowitz-TR2 waitAug 14 20:25
schestowitz-TR2I shoukld post a notice in top of old site to say, use this new address and this rss feed..Aug 14 20:25
schestowitz-TR2or shoiuld I redirect it salready? thoughts?Aug 14 20:25
schestowitz-TR2for now only rss subscribers come to the new addressesAug 14 20:25
Techrights-sec2for now.  eventually the old address should point to the new systemAug 14 20:26
Techrights-sec2the address news.tuxmachines.org ought not to be promoted since it will onlyAug 14 20:26
Techrights-sec2lead to confusion later on;  maybe describe it as a preview and that theAug 14 20:26
Techrights-sec2site will move in the near future>Aug 14 20:26
schestowitz-TR2I am going to write something, make it "sticky"Aug 14 20:28
schestowitz-TR2no need to mention the RSS feedAug 14 20:28
schestowitz-TR2as even the old RSS address already works againAug 14 20:28
schestowitz-TR2just say, this site has no more new stories, go to this address for latest storieAug 14 20:28
schestowitz-TR2sAug 14 20:28
Techrights-sec2not phrased like that though, instead mention that the new stories are at theAug 14 20:29
Techrights-sec2new site, but again that just complicates things it is better to run the twoAug 14 20:29
Techrights-sec2in parallel until the switch over; you can make the switchover now if you Aug 14 20:29
Techrights-sec2think it is sufficiently feature complete and bug free but then no new changesAug 14 20:29
Techrights-sec2can be made to it.Aug 14 20:29
schestowitz-TR2we posted in both for about 10 daysAug 14 20:31
schestowitz-TR2the new one works OKAug 14 20:31
schestowitz-TR2assuming you have wget going and will soon have a mirror for new nodes, I think we're at a good point (Sunday) to make the switchAug 14 20:31
schestowitz-TR2even if the DB broke down or something, we have the static html pagesAug 14 20:31
Techrights-sec2wget is running afaik,Aug 14 20:31
Techrights-sec2I am logged out already and can check its progress next time;Aug 14 20:31
Techrights-sec2okAug 14 20:31
Techrights-sec2I guess the domain should then point at the new site and the old oneAug 14 20:31
Techrights-sec2renamed to old.tuxmachines.orgAug 14 20:31
schestowitz-TR2I have a better idea for backward compat of URLsAug 14 20:33
schestowitz-TR2but that comes much laterAug 14 20:33
schestowitz-TR2inc. some more "introductory" and less busy front pageAug 14 20:33
schestowitz-TR2I will not redirect yet, just make a note that for any NEW story, go <there>Aug 14 20:33
schestowitz-TR2it'll keep things simple enough and not confuse readersAug 14 20:33
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Techrights-sec2okAug 14 20:36
Techrights-sec2I'd say that if the stories have been discontinued there, then the domain shouldAug 14 20:36
Techrights-sec2point to the new site then;  If it is too early to point the DNS at the Aug 14 20:36
Techrights-sec2new system then it is too early to cease posting in parallelAug 14 20:36
Techrights-sec2especially if we want to add the option to allow graphics in the stories.Aug 14 20:36
Techrights-sec2tldr; the name tuxmachines.org should always point to the active siteAug 14 20:36
Techrights-sec2not a redirection; if people intend to go to tuxmachines.org but end up insteadAug 14 20:36
Techrights-sec2at news.tuxmachines.org, that is going to cause at least some confusion amongAug 14 20:36
Techrights-sec2many visitors and their bookmarks and suchAug 14 20:36
schestowitz-TR2you are right, for the front page (only) I should set up a redirectonAug 14 20:37
schestowitz-TR2all the other addresses remain fully intactAug 14 20:37
schestowitz-TR2while we work behind the scenes on thingsAug 14 20:37
schestowitz-TR2if people are redirected to a site with more recent stories, I think the confusion is less than seeing no new stories since lunchtimeAug 14 20:37
schestowitz-TR2the site name is the sameAug 14 20:37
Techrights-sec2it is the hostname which is relevant; if the addition of stories to the oneAug 14 20:40
Techrights-sec2system has ceased then it should not have the name tuxmachines.orgAug 14 20:40
Techrights-sec2only the active system should have that hostname; therefore if it is time Aug 14 20:40
Techrights-sec2to make the switch then it is time to make the change in DNS; conversely ifAug 14 20:40
Techrights-sec2it is not time to make the switch then the posts ought to be continued in theAug 14 20:40
Techrights-sec2old systemAug 14 20:40
Techrights-sec2ok then please continue to post in parallelAug 14 20:40
Techrights-sec2I think that is quite important until the hostname is transferred Aug 14 20:40
schestowitz-TR2DNS changes would not work as that would break like 169k URLsAug 14 20:40
schestowitz-TR2for now we leave DNS unchangedAug 14 20:40
Techrights-sec2also a post or two about the layout and backend changing soon might be usefulAug 14 20:42
Techrights-sec2so that people have a bit of warningAug 14 20:42
schestowitz-TR2OK, you have convinced me not to redirect anyhing yet, but I will post a clear message to say we're moving to <that other address>Aug 14 20:44
schestowitz-TR2and this is where new stories areAug 14 20:44
schestowitz-TR2at least visitors are forewardedAug 14 20:44
schestowitz-TR2I will choose some nice suitable graphics for thatAug 14 20:44
Techrights-sec2thanks!Aug 14 20:45
Techrights-sec2about the wget scraping, if wget could not find the nodes how are theyAug 14 20:45
Techrights-sec2connected by links in anyway to the main page, even in a number of steps?Aug 14 20:45
Techrights-sec2right now wget is running queries against a range of numbers and not spideringAug 14 20:45
Techrights-sec2spidering only found a few thousand nodes; if the rest of the nodes are notAug 14 20:45
Techrights-sec2accessible to wget, then they are not accessible to the world or the searchAug 14 20:45
Techrights-sec2engines Aug 14 20:45
schestowitz-TR2quick answer:Aug 14 20:47
schestowitz-TR2they have long been indexed, in the same address, by search enginesAug 14 20:48
schestowitz-TR2they are accessible by next... next.... nextAug 14 20:48
schestowitz-TR2but remember most are just excepts and link to originalsAug 14 20:48
schestowitz-TR2so the "value" of the site is the quick new picksAug 14 20:48
schestowitz-TR2the stuff like reviews is indexed separataely in pagesAug 14 20:48
schestowitz-TR2same for original blog posts Aug 14 20:48
schestowitz-TR2we prioritise original conteent [sic]Aug 14 20:48
Techrights-sec2I don't see the path from the main page though, as far as I can tell theyAug 14 20:50
Techrights-sec2are orphaned nodesAug 14 20:50
Techrights-sec2if next ... next ... next worked, then the wget spidering should have workd :/Aug 14 20:50
Techrights-sec2yes the original blog posts are quite important tooAug 14 20:50
Techrights-sec2perhaps more so than the news nodesAug 14 20:50
schestowitzhttp://tuxmachines.org/node?quicktabs_topics=2#quicktabs-topicsAug 14 20:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines | Do you waddle the waddle?Aug 14 20:51
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schestowitz-TR2> http://tuxmachines.org/node?quicktabs_topics=2#quicktabs-topicsAug 14 23:29
schestowitz-TR2^ monthly archivesAug 14 23:29
schestowitz-TR2marius has just posted his first node adter I had sent him a video explaining the whole processAug 14 23:29
schestowitz-TR2is there a shell script warapped for the tm-update... perl file that updates existing nodes?Aug 14 23:29
schestowitz-TR2at the moment a manual run of refresh...() is needed for the changes to take effect in the pages,Aug 14 23:29
schestowitz-TR2not just the DBAug 14 23:29
schestowitz-TR2asking because marius needed to amend what he had posted and I've not yet explained the process Aug 14 23:29
schestowitz-TR2in full. rianne also lacks experience with that process.Aug 14 23:29

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