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| Techrights-sec2 | a file descriptor leak is one of the serious type of bugs which should be | Aug 14 05:40 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | fixed rather than making a work-around. Should we still keep shadow and PAM? | Aug 14 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | running manually now | Aug 14 05:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | i removed shadow and pam the other day | Aug 14 05:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | do you know how cronning it can be done? | Aug 14 05:41 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | have you filed a bug report with the IPFS tool's project? | Aug 14 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Fixing the leak in the progam would be the long term solution. | Aug 14 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Filing bug reports is part of the cost of doing business. | Aug 14 07:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is no leaks I kno0w of in ipfs | Aug 14 07:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | the issue is in handling of ulimit -n | Aug 14 07:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | upgraded current packages, there were many: | Aug 14 07:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | # apk upgrade | Aug 14 07:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the file descriptor leak ? | Aug 14 07:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | well, the system does have doas pre-installed, that could probably be used | Aug 14 07:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | by the script to launch ulimit | Aug 14 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | at some point I thought of sudoers but thought it would be a strange way to tackle the issue | Aug 14 07:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | but whetever works... | Aug 14 07:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | unfortunately that sets it for the whole system, /etc/security/limits.conf | Aug 14 07:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | would allow raising the allowed number of open files for the one account | Aug 14 07:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | while leaving the others alone. | Aug 14 07:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | What was the ticket number on the bug report? | Aug 14 07:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't think any particular open bug was being alluded to | Aug 14 07:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | just a design flaws | Aug 14 07:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | *flaw | Aug 14 07:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a design flaw is a bug | Aug 14 07:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Aug 14 07:46 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | a design flaw is a bug; I'd think that we could leave IPFS where it is for now | Aug 14 07:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | until we find out the result of the bug report. Can you file one? I am | Aug 14 07:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | quite unfamiliar with IPFS at all. | Aug 14 07:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is microsoft shithub | Aug 14 07:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | I could, indefinitely, just run the job manually | Aug 14 07:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's just a step backwards because in debian this was so simple | Aug 14 07:47 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | I am | Aug 14 08:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | quite unfamiliar with IPFS at all. I don't have an account there IIRC | Aug 14 08:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes | Aug 14 08:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Debian is afflicted with PAM. We could put PAM back but I'm not sure if/how | Aug 14 08:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | this version of cron works with PAM. I did take a guess in /etc/pam.d/cron | Aug 14 08:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | But that would mean afflicting the system with PAM by adding shadow linux-pam shadow-login again | Aug 14 08:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://rustipfs.com/ ? | Aug 14 08:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rustipfs.com | Rust IPFS | Aug 14 08:39 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | over on tm-new, should we start to spider the old HTTP pages onto the new | Aug 14 08:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | system using wget? | Aug 14 08:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it'll take a bit of trial and error | Aug 14 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | at first, only nodes after 27/6/22 | Aug 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | the url schemes makes it easy | Aug 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | tdoay I sunday,. I built a lot of sleep "storage" already, so let's migrate those pages over today (slow news), then set up redirections, amybe then revert back to the | Aug 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | good backup, seeing that the new site is OK | Aug 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | later change the rss url with a redirection | Aug 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166500 is June 26th | Aug 14 08:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Motion Detection with PIR and Raspberry PI: HC-SR501 wiring and Python Code | Tux Machines | Aug 14 08:42 | |
| schestowitz | THat's before we had issues | Aug 14 08:42 |
| schestowitz | so we need to wget every node from 166500 to 168322 | Aug 14 08:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | whether we also grab images etc. is another matter, it may depend on whether they are linked with relative or absolute URLs | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that's not the most crucial thing | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | then, having wget'ed them all, maybe directly from tuxmachines-new, ee.g. | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | /var/www/..../old/ .... | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | wget http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166500 | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | we set up redirection from http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166500 | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | to news.tuxmachines.org/old/166500 | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and on and on until 168322 | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's a lot or redirection, but they can be removed in the future | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | even with wildcard | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | that would at least make a FULL backup of all "content" added since the point in time we revert back to | Aug 14 08:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | --convert-links can help with that along with --page-requisites | Aug 14 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | only a single pattern is needed for that | Aug 14 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Ok there is a tmux session running wget under the account 'tuxmachines' on | Aug 14 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | tm-new | Aug 14 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes the failure log is in /home/tuxmachines/wget-*.log | Aug 14 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | by date | Aug 14 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | she can post, that's not a problem, the mirroring will take a long time | Aug 14 08:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | Mirroring the pages (I told rianne to stop posting new nodes) | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | should not take long, you can do 1000 pages an hour | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | then check logs to see all moved OK | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | then we make another last DB dump, just in case | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | then squeeze in redirection for those pages | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | then revert back to old DB dump (June) | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | but wait, don't mirror everything | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | just nodes 166500 onwards | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | because the old site is complex | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the cutoff atm is june 27th | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | i intentially refrained from posting anything "special" like Blog Posts since then | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | or uploading any new images | Aug 14 08:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | just the /nodes hierarchy is being harvested, wget is not so complex that | Aug 14 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it can take calculations into account so unnecessary material can be culled | Aug 14 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | afterwards | Aug 14 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know the site very well | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | the right approach would be, | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | get only nodes 166500 | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | onwards | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is easily done in bash, with loop index i after /node/ | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | that can then go under the html dir under "old" or similar | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | "old" sounds bad, maybe "legacy" | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | then we need to make sure we're satisfied with how the pages appear and that links in them work | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | then set redirection for them | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | on the old server | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | that would be a solid first step and the most major step | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | anything after that is easy-peasy | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | I had this planned for months, I know exactly how to do that without turning away visitors | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know you worry about very old pages, we can deal with them a lot later | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | \also, load would tape off the moment all "new" (past 2 months' pages) go to new | Aug 14 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | "old" is just a working name it can be renamed once the download is complete | Aug 14 09:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it might even be removed so that ./node can be moved up a level | Aug 14 09:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | maybe aim for 1 September as the change over date? | Aug 14 09:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Aug 14 09:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was just thinking, I want to make local and remote DB backup before reverting back | Aug 14 09:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | I already made a remote (at home) copy of the DB to revery back to | Aug 14 09:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | just so that we can always roll back any errors made | Aug 14 09:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | sunday is a good day for such a task | Aug 14 09:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | the new site generally works OK | Aug 14 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | the only difference is, if swapped over it'll get a higher load | Aug 14 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | one thing I noticed is, when the rss file gets updates for about a second or two it can be in a funny stats, as it is being written to rather than a temp file | Aug 14 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then cp temp live-rss-feed.xml | Aug 14 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | aside from that, things work well enough and it's a lot faster | Aug 14 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | marius has access already | Aug 14 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | the other posters mostyly promote their own stuff, which is sometimes spam, howtos, or stuff I could just post myself anyway | Aug 14 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | (the other day I had to remove from the front page some spamnil-style piece of junk from a firm that has an account there) | Aug 14 09:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 09:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | should the RSS be done with a temp file followed by a swap out ? | Aug 14 09:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | i forgot the formal technical name for it | Aug 14 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the idea is, only swap one rss file for another version when both are valid | Aug 14 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | otherwise, while polling you can sometimes get a file that's open and being written into | Aug 14 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | tuxmachines does not depend much on gulag | Aug 14 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | but a loyal base of followers since decades past | Aug 14 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am in tmux session "copy" while seems idle | Aug 14 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | where are you fetching new nodes? | Aug 14 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | if all URLs in the dlownloaded pages are made ABSOLUTE, then it'll look like a perfect copy | Aug 14 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is what we want | Aug 14 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | no need to download any images then, just the raw html, with absolute links in images, pages etc. | Aug 14 09:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Aug 14 09:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | su -c 'tmux attach-session -t wget' -l tuxmachines | Aug 14 09:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | su -c 'tmux new-session -s copy -t wget' -l tuxmachines | Aug 14 09:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | su -c 'tmux attach-session -t copy' -l tuxmachines | Aug 14 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | looking under webroot/old | Aug 14 09:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | it seems like you download the whole site | Aug 14 09:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the urls are sometimes relative, e.g. /files/logo.png | Aug 14 09:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | at this stage we just need to download about 1800 pages, whose url is predictable (+1 increment) | Aug 14 09:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | with absolute url everywhere) | Aug 14 09:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | still experimenting | Aug 14 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks, good one | Aug 14 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | at the point where the new server has the new nodes showing as identical to the originals (absolute links in images too) | Aug 14 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | we can add redirections from old (dynamic) to new (static) for these pages | Aug 14 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | those nodes are sementically simple, by intention | Aug 14 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | (node: for nodes of the past 1.5 weeks we'll have two copies, such that the new server has them in the new CMS and also mirrors of the same | Aug 14 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the Drupal site)s | Aug 14 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | search engines might see that as "duplicate" content, hence better to minimise and port things over | Aug 14 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | the above-mentioned rss thing only happens if I check for rss updates at the same time I add a node, so it's not a burning issue | Aug 14 09:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | deiced to carry on posting, but only in new | Aug 14 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | but will not take it "read-only" until after rolling back/reverting back to jun 27 | Aug 14 09:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 09:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | seconds ago added the first "new-only" node | Aug 14 09:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | the "old" directory should eventually contain just pages, no JS or images | Aug 14 09:53 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 09:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | as those can be absolute url references to www and news | Aug 14 09:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | in due course the db will only bear thew load for requests of nodes 1...166500 | Aug 14 09:53 |
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| schestowitz-TR | marius has just added a node to "old" | Aug 14 10:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | #168323 | Aug 14 10:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | hopefully the last | Aug 14 10:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'lll copy it over the new just in case | Aug 14 10:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Aug 14 10:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh! miracle! my rss feed for howtoforge works again | Aug 14 10:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | after like 6 months those idiotcs realise clownflaring it was idiotic | Aug 14 10:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | harm was done | Aug 14 10:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | :) | Aug 14 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | after today we may be able to turn off all the crontabs for DB backup of TM, local and remote | Aug 14 10:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | as new nodes go into sqlite and the static html files | Aug 14 10:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | added toay's howtos in new only, first such batch | Aug 14 10:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | updating my irc scripts (links only to new site) | Aug 14 10:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Aug 14 10:32 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | refresh-site-from-db.sh now uses temporary files | Aug 14 10:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | lovely! checking code, I did see you had changed something... | Aug 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am testing the irc bits at the moment | Aug 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | Oh, I see, you not do the same for front page and gemini | Aug 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's great | Aug 14 10:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | refresh-site-from-db.sh now uses temporary files | Aug 14 10:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | faster that way | Aug 14 10:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | subjectively speaking | Aug 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | sorry to be rushing these last-min changes like this | Aug 14 10:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | I had 4 "extra" hours of sleep and it's a slow news day | Aug 14 10:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | so perfect day to progress to next phase | Aug 14 10:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | tbh, even if we don't finish the wget and apsche redirect thing, I could just redirect the rss feed alone, for now... | Aug 14 10:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | one concern I had was, can all rss readers deal with it (afaik, apache deals with the 301 transparenlly) | Aug 14 10:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | the second thing is, if we change from rss to atom/xml, can rss readers cope? I think so) | Aug 14 10:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | heck, why not change the url now and add the redirect? might as well, no? | Aug 14 10:47 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It'd be safer to wait until next Sunday or so, after we can ensure that | Aug 14 10:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | wget did its job correctly. | Aug 14 10:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Perhaps the new Atom feed could be used from the old site, but it would | Aug 14 10:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | point to the URLs which are on the test site and not the production site. | Aug 14 10:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It's getting closer to being 'ready' though. | Aug 14 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | i agree entirely. | Aug 14 10:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, am making changes here to 3 more files | Aug 14 10:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | when alll tests ok, will push to git, then try redirecting atom | Aug 14 10:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | then test with various vaalidatora and rss readers | Aug 14 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | just to catch any issues | Aug 14 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | will redirect to http, not https, for now | Aug 14 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | to avoid the CA panic | Aug 14 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | at reader level anyway | Aug 14 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know atom may link to https | Aug 14 10:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | changes pushed to git | Aug 14 11:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | experimenting with 301 rediurect now | Aug 14 11:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | given that old site won't get more node additions, I will also redirect root later, but root alone | Aug 14 11:01 |
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| schestowitz-TR | added two redirections | Aug 14 11:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | and on the logs they will leave trailing parts after "?" | Aug 14 11:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you can see and know where the redir comes from | Aug 14 11:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | on to testing | Aug 14 11:37 |
| schestowitz | roy@vonick:~$ wget http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | --2022-08-14 11:39:41-- http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Resolving www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)... 23.161.112.115 | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Connecting to www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)|23.161.112.115|:80... connected. | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Location: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed [following] | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | --2022-08-14 11:39:41-- http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Resolving news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)... 204.197.160.2 | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Connecting to news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)|204.197.160.2|:80... connected. | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Length: 37025 (36K) [application/xml] | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Saving to: ‘feed’ | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | feed 100%[==============================================================================================>] 36.16K 173KB/s in 0.2s | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | 2022-08-14 11:39:42 (173 KB/s) - ‘feed’ saved [37025/37025] | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | roy@vonick:~$ wget http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed/ | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | --2022-08-14 11:39:58-- http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed/ | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Resolving www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)... 23.161.112.115 | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Connecting to www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)|23.161.112.115|:80... connected. | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Location: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed/ [following] | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | --2022-08-14 11:39:59-- http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed/ | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Resolving news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)... 204.197.160.2 | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Connecting to news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)|204.197.160.2|:80... connected. | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Length: 37025 (36K) [application/xml] | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Saving to: ‘index.html.1’ | Aug 14 11:40 |
| schestowitz | index.html.1 100%[==============================================================================================>] 36.16K 181KB/s in 0.2s | Aug 14 11:41 |
| schestowitz | 2022-08-14 11:39:59 (181 KB/s) - ‘index.html.1’ saved [37025/37025] | Aug 14 11:41 |
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| schestowitz-TR | 301 works OK, in both casesirc bots are all set, the posting workflow is now simplified | Aug 14 11:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'll test to see if some readers might have issues | Aug 14 11:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | rss feeds >> social control media account | Aug 14 11:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 11:44 |
| schestowitz | quiterss copes ok | Aug 14 11:55 |
| schestowitz | as I hoped akregator copes ok with the redirection | Aug 14 11:55 |
| schestowitz | its build-in browser struggles to load the pages though, but we don't pew JS or anything | Aug 14 11:55 |
| schestowitz | checking in konqeror and rekonq out of curioustity | Aug 14 11:55 |
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| roy | they should cope ok, if they support proper HTTP for fetchig the Atom or RSS | Aug 14 12:04 |
| roy | feed | Aug 14 12:04 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | bbl | Aug 14 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | cycling | Aug 14 12:10 |
| chunky | bbl | Aug 14 12:11 |
| chunky | crying | Aug 14 12:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | haha | Aug 14 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | chunky: no woman no cycling | Aug 14 12:12 |
| chunky | ;D | Aug 14 12:12 |
| chunky | DOWN WITH WOMEN UP WITH GNU! | Aug 14 12:12 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Aug 14 12:34 | |
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| Techrights-sec2 | they should cope ok, if they support proper HTTP for fetchig the Atom or RSS | Aug 14 15:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | feed | Aug 14 15:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 15:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | wget seems to have finished with /node | Aug 14 15:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | FINISHED --2022-08-14 10:56:32-- | Aug 14 15:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Total wall clock time: 2h 20m 52s | Aug 14 15:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Downloaded: 3893 files, 96M in 0.9s (102 MB/s) | Aug 14 15:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | 3893 files seems like it might be a small subset of what's supposed to be there | Aug 14 15:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | PeppermintOS torrent ratio is now > 7.7 | Aug 14 15:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | recent and old versions of Linux Mint remain at 1.8 | Aug 14 15:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | these are just anecdotal observations though | Aug 14 15:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | properly back now | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | chose a different canal today, so it was more interesting | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the sites seem to be OK | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | regarding wget | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | there are over 170k pages in the site | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and the structute is complex, there are interconnected CMSs | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | what I suggets is just doing a loop over /i/ | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | than using i for /node/$i | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | with all objects in it as absoluire, domain and all | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | there /i/ is 160,something | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | later they serve as backup, following resotre from backup, followed by read-only | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | wget does not need to do anything recursively and if it gets a page every 2 seconds, 30 per minutes, it can get everything in less than an hour | Aug 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | brb, catching up | Aug 14 15:11 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | what would be that start value for $i and the end value for it? | Aug 14 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | checking | Aug 14 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 166500 | Aug 14 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | until | Aug 14 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 168324 | Aug 14 15:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that's just a few thousand | Aug 14 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | those are nodes that can be copies losslessly and would later be removed from "old" | Aug 14 15:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we'll use another strategy for the older archives at a later point, for now the old site will still serve them | Aug 14 15:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Aug 14 15:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Aug 14 15:28 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | all the hard parts are already well behind us | Aug 14 15:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and it went more smoothly than I had imagined | Aug 14 15:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we can 'innovate' on top of it now that we're not boxed inside drupal's loop | Aug 14 15:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like push notifications and such | Aug 14 15:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we already support http, http over tls, and gemini with tls, topic only for new updates (not public api though), same for git updates | Aug 14 15:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | running | Aug 14 15:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | excellent | Aug 14 15:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | locked keys could be used to allow editing without shell access | Aug 14 15:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | there is also irc, with a bot or two there, but that's not new | Aug 14 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we must think beyond www (net+dns OK) to stay relevant as more people adopt GNU/Linux and need news, forums etc. | Aug 14 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | sometimes at work we still get calls from random people needing "Linux" support | Aug 14 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | a lot of webforums were destroyed by spam, spinders, trolls... | Aug 14 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ubuntu is shilling clown, not offering any community forums | Aug 14 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | clown= you pay rent for a PRIOPRIETARY system and then they give you "commercial support" for the proprietary crap only they can supoport(monopolies beget bad servic | Aug 14 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | e) | Aug 14 15:38 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 15:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 15:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | their 'ask ubuntu' was kind of a way to close down the forums | Aug 14 15:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the Forums were much of the community activity and kept the buzz going | Aug 14 15:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | they should have had a community manager as liaison between the community | Aug 14 15:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and the company. Instead they had an a-hole spinmeister who tried what he could | Aug 14 15:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to boss the community around from on high and rub everyone the wrong way | Aug 14 15:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | openrespect | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not free | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | open | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "RESPECT MICROSOFT"=Zemlin | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | LF= we started as Linux, not we're openwashing everhything, even vaccines | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Canononical=we make a better distro (Debian), not we offer many services, Ubuntu and WSL are among the "products" | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | tl;dr: cannopt trust corporations to manage communitiers (same with fedora and "open"suse... what's left of those) | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | now, SUSE="WE CAN GOOD ON CLOWN.. oh, you want SAP??" | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 3~ | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in some sense we are back to 1980s or 1990s | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the corporations have too much control | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so grassroots efforts emerge, looking for collective control or emancipation | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | github is a hornet's nest, it's like a cage calling on the communities to enter | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | before they shut it | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | linuxtoday is trying to make a shilling by running like 15 webspam plugs... IBM+Microsoft site | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's run not by an eidotr but a strulling company | Aug 14 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if thjey don;t monetise it, they will shuit it down | Aug 14 15:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | LF is shilling more too, and Brodie Roberston is peddling what they are selling. | Aug 14 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Or has peddled at least in his recent video. | Aug 14 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Certifications are scams. Some of his are ok, and it is interesting to get | Aug 14 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | his generation's perspective, but lately he has been off the mark and even | Aug 14 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | outright wrong. :( | Aug 14 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he invests (financially) in his videos | Aug 14 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | time too | Aug 14 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but the content isn't all that great | Aug 14 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | did you see the video I posted last night of zemlin? | Aug 14 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's just 20 seconds | Aug 14 15:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | good for a laugh | Aug 14 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | No, I did read the accompanying text though. | Aug 14 15:51 |
| Techrights-sec2 | gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/13/proprietary-keynote/ ? | Aug 14 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I should have added a link, replicating the url for the video | Aug 14 15:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | mea culpa | Aug 14 15:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I only remember when it's webm and automated | Aug 14 15:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | rant: just deleted another 20 odd stories on michael west | Aug 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | filter on aap, delet all | Aug 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I don't are what ap australia says | Aug 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if I wanted ap, I'd sub to ap | Aug 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | /s/are/care/ | Aug 14 15:53 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 15:55 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "jim, do you reject linux because it's not reliable enough for you" | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | [him goes on, messing up a keynote WITHOUT Linux] | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I saw that a lot with Wionndows | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it got so bad people came with prior expectation it "might not work' | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and needed fallbacks | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or borrowed another person's PC with usb stick | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and wasted minutes, destroying the whole talk/schedule/plan | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | delaying or shortening food breaks | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | turns out windows monopoculture/monopoly is not assurance of smooth operations | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | security-wise, quite the contrary | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in uni they would have the audacity to dedicate one machine too talks and ask us in advance to send | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "our powerpoint presentation" | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (almost 20 years ago) | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so they also try to impose on you what software to work with and use to present | Aug 14 16:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | failing to see how inqdequate that is | Aug 14 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | what next? imposing speaking tempo? voice? race? use of hands? | Aug 14 16:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it is the opposite of smooth operations due to not only the flaws between | Aug 14 16:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | versions, which are used to upsell, but also the flaws communicating with | Aug 14 16:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | others even when using the /exact/ same versions | Aug 14 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I used HTMl for my presentations | Aug 14 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | later some ODF | Aug 14 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and latex | Aug 14 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i.e. present from pdf | Aug 14 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's easy to export these to html too | Aug 14 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | sorry, I messed upo | Aug 14 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | did you manage to read what I said about drm and rootkits | Aug 14 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and how because it's steam, then they're "OK" nopw? | Aug 14 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | After I mentioned how bloatesidered better than MSIE-onyl; or Windows-only | Aug 14 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you also started writing something yourself | Aug 14 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | anyway, it's the whole "at-lkeast-it's-not-microsoftism" | Aug 14 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and how now when we use a lot of bad things we just assume that Gulag with Summer of Labour is beyond criticism | Aug 14 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and using its browsers to run things as a mere runtime is OK | Aug 14 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | webchats, presentation, conferences etc,. | Aug 14 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ] | Aug 14 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | almost | Aug 14 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | oh well | Aug 14 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Google is no longer much better. Yes, it's better but only barely, and | Aug 14 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | furthermore the direction it is continuing to head is no good. | Aug 14 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I pressed ctrl+c for copy | Aug 14 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | forgot the context | Aug 14 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but I think you at least read that | Aug 14 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not much lost, except you started typing something when I pressed thr wrong keys | Aug 14 16:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | np | Aug 14 16:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | each time this happens it becomes less probable it'll happen again | Aug 14 16:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | due to the undesirable mess that follows | Aug 14 16:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | been months since I last made this error | Aug 14 16:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but like I said, I don't think anything was lost | Aug 14 16:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | from mind or unread | Aug 14 16:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ytalk is still good all in all | Aug 14 16:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | more real-time than irc | Aug 14 16:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I plan to tell marius that he cannot add images yet | Aug 14 16:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and that it is work in progress | Aug 14 16:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as for me, I have the ability to wget images into /Features | Aug 14 16:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as a temporary measure | Aug 14 16:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will teach rianne how to add images | Aug 14 16:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that directory has 182 images now | Aug 14 16:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the image part needs to be tested / finalized before the whole thing goes | Aug 14 16:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | into production or it is ok to leave it off, too | Aug 14 16:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | tux machines did not have images until around 2014 when there were hotlinked | Aug 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it is not good practice, it exposed to a lot of sites who reads TM,but for now we can focus on text and links | Aug 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | inotify+wget would still mean a command line step | Aug 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for me, I just have an open terminal in the right dir | Aug 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | anshul fromn geeks for geeks posts very low s/r these days "interviews" | Aug 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | irrelevant indiuan history texts | Aug 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | likely "lifted". for seo.. | Aug 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and some promotional stuff | Aug 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | soemtimes a few useful things, but lost in the sea | Aug 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | same problem with many other sites | Aug 14 16:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sftp is another means to load the image but regardless, the work flow for images | Aug 14 16:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | needs a lot of review | Aug 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the images are probably the least important thing | Aug 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | rss is key... and presentastion | Aug 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's better tan the old site | Aug 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | btw, gemini hit counter passed 2000 | Aug 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's being adopted more over time | Aug 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | first of its "kind" in that space | Aug 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | <techrights-news> "TikTok has established itself as one of the top online platforms for U.S. teens, while the share of teens who use Facebook has fallen sharply" https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/08/10/teens-social-media-and-technology-2022/ | Aug 14 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pewresearch.org | Teens, Social Media and Technology 2022 | Pew Research Center | Aug 14 17:06 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | top platform for indoctrination of said population | Aug 14 17:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | yes, you can guess under which categ i've just put that under | Aug 14 17:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | under... under :/ | Aug 14 17:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | pew=taking gates bribes | Aug 14 17:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but there's more to it than gates | Aug 14 17:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 17:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the web is rapidly becoming a tonnage of s** | Aug 14 17:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | sorry if that seems repetitive | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I get loads of "diploma mill" spam in "linux" news | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | very few sites still try to report new stuff | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | phoronix has few comments | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so I assume it lost a lot of following | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and the remaining "aggregators" rake in a lot of worthless junk | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's not a problem of FINDING | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's a problem of material NOT EXISTING | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 10 years aog there was so much you had to be picky what to link to | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 15 years ago there was a sea of Linux coverage in "tech" media | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not some chinese editor who had contributed to Microsoft sites and says evil "nerds" try to force her to use Linux | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | enderle is still writing some trash in datamation | Aug 14 17:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | they usually only trot out enderle for a reason | Aug 14 17:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | or two reasons, one to push a particular talking point, | Aug 14 17:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | two to distract from something big | Aug 14 17:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | dfs said today (showed link) microsofters start floating windows 12 trash | Aug 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | only last summer they had a fake "vista 111" 'leak' | Aug 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | to distract from two bombshells | Aug 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | of course nobody adopted sta 11 | Aug 14 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | vista12 | Aug 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *vista | Aug 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and 12 months later they do "12" gossip? | Aug 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe a distraction from layoffs and shutdowns | Aug 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but people won't care | Aug 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the boy cried wold too many times | Aug 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *wold | Aug 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *wolf | Aug 14 17:22 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | so far the site is holding up fine with the extra traffic | Aug 14 20:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I also find the workflow faster than with the old site | Aug 14 20:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and all stuff is locally hosted, no Gulag Translate in the page | Aug 14 20:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | good | Aug 14 20:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that's excellent news | Aug 14 20:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | much faster | Aug 14 20:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if later on there are bumps on the way, that's OK | Aug 14 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we can overcome these | Aug 14 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the old site's DB is not likely to change much at this stage | Aug 14 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | when we have a working copy of those ~1800 nodes we can test redirects, then revert back to better DB prior to | Aug 14 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the loss of random old pages | Aug 14 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the move relieves a TON of energy resources, too | Aug 14 20:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no need to hurry anything at this point, but if people come to the site NOT via RSS feeds it'll seem like no upates are posted, so the next stage | Aug 14 20:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | will be redirecting the front page too, preferably AFTER the restore from Jne backu | Aug 14 20:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *June backup | Aug 14 20:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Aug 14 20:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | hmmm... | Aug 14 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | wait | Aug 14 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I shoukld post a notice in top of old site to say, use this new address and this rss feed.. | Aug 14 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or shoiuld I redirect it salready? thoughts? | Aug 14 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for now only rss subscribers come to the new addresses | Aug 14 20:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | for now. eventually the old address should point to the new system | Aug 14 20:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the address news.tuxmachines.org ought not to be promoted since it will only | Aug 14 20:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | lead to confusion later on; maybe describe it as a preview and that the | Aug 14 20:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | site will move in the near future> | Aug 14 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I am going to write something, make it "sticky" | Aug 14 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no need to mention the RSS feed | Aug 14 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as even the old RSS address already works again | Aug 14 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | just say, this site has no more new stories, go to this address for latest storie | Aug 14 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | s | Aug 14 20:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | not phrased like that though, instead mention that the new stories are at the | Aug 14 20:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | new site, but again that just complicates things it is better to run the two | Aug 14 20:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in parallel until the switch over; you can make the switchover now if you | Aug 14 20:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | think it is sufficiently feature complete and bug free but then no new changes | Aug 14 20:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | can be made to it. | Aug 14 20:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we posted in both for about 10 days | Aug 14 20:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the new one works OK | Aug 14 20:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | assuming you have wget going and will soon have a mirror for new nodes, I think we're at a good point (Sunday) to make the switch | Aug 14 20:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | even if the DB broke down or something, we have the static html pages | Aug 14 20:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | wget is running afaik, | Aug 14 20:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I am logged out already and can check its progress next time; | Aug 14 20:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Aug 14 20:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I guess the domain should then point at the new site and the old one | Aug 14 20:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | renamed to old.tuxmachines.org | Aug 14 20:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I have a better idea for backward compat of URLs | Aug 14 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but that comes much later | Aug 14 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | inc. some more "introductory" and less busy front page | Aug 14 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will not redirect yet, just make a note that for any NEW story, go <there> | Aug 14 20:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it'll keep things simple enough and not confuse readers | Aug 14 20:33 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Aug 14 20:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'd say that if the stories have been discontinued there, then the domain should | Aug 14 20:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | point to the new site then; If it is too early to point the DNS at the | Aug 14 20:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | new system then it is too early to cease posting in parallel | Aug 14 20:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | especially if we want to add the option to allow graphics in the stories. | Aug 14 20:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | tldr; the name tuxmachines.org should always point to the active site | Aug 14 20:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | not a redirection; if people intend to go to tuxmachines.org but end up instead | Aug 14 20:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | at news.tuxmachines.org, that is going to cause at least some confusion among | Aug 14 20:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | many visitors and their bookmarks and such | Aug 14 20:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you are right, for the front page (only) I should set up a redirecton | Aug 14 20:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | all the other addresses remain fully intact | Aug 14 20:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | while we work behind the scenes on things | Aug 14 20:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if people are redirected to a site with more recent stories, I think the confusion is less than seeing no new stories since lunchtime | Aug 14 20:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the site name is the same | Aug 14 20:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it is the hostname which is relevant; if the addition of stories to the one | Aug 14 20:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | system has ceased then it should not have the name tuxmachines.org | Aug 14 20:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | only the active system should have that hostname; therefore if it is time | Aug 14 20:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to make the switch then it is time to make the change in DNS; conversely if | Aug 14 20:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it is not time to make the switch then the posts ought to be continued in the | Aug 14 20:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | old system | Aug 14 20:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok then please continue to post in parallel | Aug 14 20:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I think that is quite important until the hostname is transferred | Aug 14 20:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | DNS changes would not work as that would break like 169k URLs | Aug 14 20:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for now we leave DNS unchanged | Aug 14 20:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | also a post or two about the layout and backend changing soon might be useful | Aug 14 20:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | so that people have a bit of warning | Aug 14 20:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | OK, you have convinced me not to redirect anyhing yet, but I will post a clear message to say we're moving to <that other address> | Aug 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and this is where new stories are | Aug 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | at least visitors are forewarded | Aug 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will choose some nice suitable graphics for that | Aug 14 20:44 |
| Techrights-sec2 | thanks! | Aug 14 20:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | about the wget scraping, if wget could not find the nodes how are they | Aug 14 20:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | connected by links in anyway to the main page, even in a number of steps? | Aug 14 20:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | right now wget is running queries against a range of numbers and not spidering | Aug 14 20:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | spidering only found a few thousand nodes; if the rest of the nodes are not | Aug 14 20:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | accessible to wget, then they are not accessible to the world or the search | Aug 14 20:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | engines | Aug 14 20:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | quick answer: | Aug 14 20:47 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they have long been indexed, in the same address, by search engines | Aug 14 20:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they are accessible by next... next.... next | Aug 14 20:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but remember most are just excepts and link to originals | Aug 14 20:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so the "value" of the site is the quick new picks | Aug 14 20:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the stuff like reviews is indexed separataely in pages | Aug 14 20:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | same for original blog posts | Aug 14 20:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we prioritise original conteent [sic] | Aug 14 20:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I don't see the path from the main page though, as far as I can tell they | Aug 14 20:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | are orphaned nodes | Aug 14 20:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | if next ... next ... next worked, then the wget spidering should have workd :/ | Aug 14 20:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes the original blog posts are quite important too | Aug 14 20:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | perhaps more so than the news nodes | Aug 14 20:50 |
| schestowitz | http://tuxmachines.org/node?quicktabs_topics=2#quicktabs-topics | Aug 14 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines | Do you waddle the waddle? | Aug 14 20:51 | |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | > http://tuxmachines.org/node?quicktabs_topics=2#quicktabs-topics | Aug 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ^ monthly archives | Aug 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | marius has just posted his first node adter I had sent him a video explaining the whole process | Aug 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | is there a shell script warapped for the tm-update... perl file that updates existing nodes? | Aug 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | at the moment a manual run of refresh...() is needed for the changes to take effect in the pages, | Aug 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not just the DB | Aug 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | asking because marius needed to amend what he had posted and I've not yet explained the process | Aug 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in full. rianne also lacks experience with that process. | Aug 14 23:29 |
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