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schestowitz-TRhttps://telex.hu/rss/archivum?filters=%7B%22flags%22%3A%5B%22english%22%5D%2C%22parentId%22%3A%5B%22null%22%5D%7DNov 14 07:24
-altlink_3cb/#boycottnovell-πŸ“£ Cloudflare: telex.hu | πŸ™† Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://telex.hu/rss/archivum?filters=%7B%22flags%22%3A%5B%22english%22%5D%2C%22parentId%22%3A%5B%22null%22%5D%7DNov 14 07:24
schestowitz-TRhttps://insighthungary.444.hu/feedNov 14 07:24
-altlink_3cb/#boycottnovell-πŸ“£ Cloudflare: 444.hu | πŸ™† Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://insighthungary.444.hu/feedNov 14 07:24
schestowitz-TR2 RSS feeds of citizen journalkists to addNov 14 07:25
Techrights-secadded, though the former feed may not have much recent enough to trigger the Nov 14 07:25
Techrights-secscriptNov 14 07:25
schestowitz-TRthanksNov 14 07:25
Techrights-secnpNov 14 07:30
Techrights-secback in a few hoursNov 14 07:30
schestowitzx https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2021/10/inv032089Nov 14 07:32
-altlink_3cb/#boycottnovell-πŸ“£ Cloudflare: gatesfoundation.org | πŸ™† Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2021/10/inv032089Nov 14 07:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gatesfoundation.org | Spiegel Online - Bill & Melinda Gates FoundationNov 14 07:32
schestowitz#Nov 14 07:32
schestowitz=Nov 14 07:32
schestowitz# The name git is not M$ and should not be used interchangeably withNov 14 07:32
schestowitz# github to mean the M$ siteNov 14 07:32
schestowitzRock Band Frontwoman Pees on Fan’s Face During Show, Group Apologizes βš“ https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/13/rock-band-frontwoman-pees-on-fan-face-show-apologizes/ Nov 14 07:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tmz.com | Rock Band Frontwoman Pees on Fan's Face During Show, Group ApologizesNov 14 07:34
schestowitz# wtf?  a trump relative?Nov 14 07:34
schestowitz-TRre pee lady, maybe she watched Lenny Kravitz and figured out how to make a break, make it to the media/mainstream, albeit intentionallyNov 14 07:38
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schestowitz-TRtoday, or half an hour ago, there was some strange issue retrieving the IRC text file from the site to display in the capsule. I did some investigation and it seems like the issue was temporaryNov 14 10:19
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schestowitz-TRhaving said that, the lights did not light up, but I saw an error message in the terminal, not from wget but from bashNov 14 10:20
schestowitz-TRthe ping script could not be foundNov 14 10:20
schestowitz-TRso I added the path, pushed to gitNov 14 10:20
schestowitz-TRthe problem seems to hav resolved itself in the interim, so I don't know if adding full path actually did resolve the issueNov 14 10:21
schestowitz-TRBTW, all those join and quit messages about libertybox -- that's the VPN going up and down when we're on shift. ipfs irc bot goes up and down a lot because of traffic shaping on the raspiNov 14 10:23
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Techrights-secok, I just got back a few minutes ago.  Catching up.Nov 14 10:34
Techrights-secMaybe the IRC bot should get a higher priorityNov 14 10:34
Techrights-sec?Nov 14 10:34
schestowitz-TRrecnetly i tinkered a bit with tc scripts but I can only make it worseNov 14 10:35
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schestowitz-TRI want to move our gemini http proxy to something we control, but those typically need JS, go, or bothNov 14 11:52
Techrights-secIt would be "only" a URL rewriter...Nov 14 11:52
Techrights-secIt would be "only" a URL rewriter... Would Apache2 be able to functionNov 14 11:59
Techrights-secas a gemini proxy for TR?Nov 14 11:59
Techrights-secIt has the full rewrite engine available.Nov 14 12:03
schestowitz-TRI was thinking more along the lines of proxy.techrights.org with vulpes running on itNov 14 12:04
Techrights-secSure it could be done, but the TR host is more or less paralyzed until the OSNov 14 12:05
Techrights-secupgrade occurs.Nov 14 12:05
schestowitz-TRon another machineNov 14 12:05
Techrights-secIt'd fit on the RPi.Nov 14 12:09
Techrights-secIt wouldn'rt really use the file system either, just some of the bandwidth.Nov 14 12:09
Techrights-secBut setting up HTTPS would be necessary.  Though that ca be done withNov 14 12:09
Techrights-secLet's Encrypt or a competitor.Nov 14 12:09
schestowitz-TRwith ipfs and gemini, my pi is already too throttled to serve https, do we have another machine or vps? ip need not be static if I can change the dns every now and then....Nov 14 12:10
Techrights-secVPS would be the way to go.  IMONov 14 12:11
Techrights-sechttps://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/#pricingNov 14 12:13
-altlink_3cb/#boycottnovell-πŸ“£ Cloudflare: vultr.com | πŸ™† Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/#pricingNov 14 12:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.vultr.com | High Performance and Cheap Cloud Servers Deployment - Vultr.comNov 14 12:13
schestowitz-TRthat would increase reliance on external hostsNov 14 12:13
Techrights-secony as a proxyNov 14 12:13
schestowitz-TRI am thinking how to step away from a third party, not just for gemini (except ISP and DNS) but also some HTTPS option, over time...Nov 14 12:14
schestowitz-TRwe have more EPO stuff coming, and github every monday. I don't want to be policed by webhostsNov 14 12:14
schestowitz-TRYou started to say, I'm pretty sure it is simple enough, and yes, I agree, with text only things are simplified a great dealNov 14 12:18
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Techrights-secWait.  For all of Gemini or just TR's Gemini ?Nov 14 12:19
Techrights-secIt is simple enough if we proxy only TR material.  Then it is mostlyNov 14 12:20
Techrights-sec^W^W^W^WNov 14 12:20
Techrights-secNevermind.  It does require some interaction.  Nov 14 12:20
schestowitz-TRyesNov 14 12:21
schestowitz-TRyou alluded to thius earlier too, as if mod rewrite would tackle thisNov 14 12:21
schestowitz-TRwe need open port over gemini and allNov 14 12:21
schestowitz-TRbut some people did all the work alreadyNov 14 12:21
schestowitz-TRso it just needs deploying, I could even do this on my laptop, but the idea has drawbacksNov 14 12:21
schestowitz-TRthe 'database' if you like is already self-hosted, but it serves over a protocol that is now web of, if we use a webNov 14 12:22
schestowitz-TR proxy, it is not controlled by us and VULPES.ONE has downtime issues every now and then and poses a privacy riskNov 14 12:22
Techrights-secYes, I understand the advantages.  What would be the scope of the proxy?Nov 14 12:23
Techrights-secJust the contents of gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ or wouldNov 14 12:23
Techrights-secit need to be able to fetch and process any Gemini site from anywhere?Nov 14 12:23
schestowitz-TRI am pretty sure we can limit it to just one capsule with some configs Nov 14 12:24
Techrights-secI'm not quite sure how to write a Gemini client.Nov 14 12:29
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schestowitz-TRsome people did this alreadyNov 14 12:34
schestowitz-TRwe just need to deploayNov 14 12:35
schestowitz-TRthen we can have something like, lite.techrgihts.org/article Nov 14 12:35
Techrights-sechttps://oriented.net/server/openbsd-virtual-machineNov 14 12:35
Techrights-sechttps://openbsd.amsterdam/Nov 14 12:35
Techrights-sechttps://terrahost.no/Nov 14 12:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-oriented.net | Server - OpenBSD Virtual Machine - oriented.netNov 14 12:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-openbsd.amsterdam | OpenBSD AmsterdamNov 14 12:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-terrahost.no | Terrahost | Servere og Colocation fra eget datasenter i NorgeNov 14 12:35
schestowitz-TRDo you have an existing account with any of them?Nov 14 12:35
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Techrights-secNo, there was another which was cheap, but I cannot recall the name at the  Nov 14 12:41
Techrights-secmoment.Nov 14 12:41
Techrights-secScaleway.  Nov 14 12:41
schestowitz-TRwe could use the kaniini server as well, with a new container of alpine, devuan, whatever... but it would use up another IP addressNov 14 12:42
schestowitz-TRbut given the low volume of pages we have a chance to become more self-hosted, no third parties, otherwise we remain dependentNov 14 12:43
Techrights-secThat way it would but with an OS upgrade it would be feasible to addNov 14 12:43
Techrights-secto the existing Apache2 service, just add a name-virtual hostNov 14 12:43
schestowitz-TRI would rather separate it completely from being dependent on the same host being online, making the site more fault-tolerantNov 14 12:44
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Techrights-secScaleway is not so cheap any more it looks like ~ 7 EUR per monthNov 14 12:45
Techrights-secIt can be a different domain name served by the the one Apache2 instance..Nov 14 12:45
schestowitz-TRI was thinking subsiteNov 14 12:45
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Techrights-sechttp://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/name-based.htmlNov 14 12:45
Techrights-secYes, subsite see linkNov 14 12:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-httpd.apache.org | Name-based Virtual Host Support - Apache HTTP Server Version 2.4Nov 14 12:45
schestowitz-TRI was thinking of putting it on one of the laptopsNov 14 12:46
Techrights-secIt would use little hard disk and only some CPU but periodically some bandwidthNov 14 12:47
schestowitz-TRI bet the software needs some relatively new versions of dependencies, too new for distros on the laptopsNov 14 12:49
Techrights-secProbably. TLS1.3 is needed at least.Nov 14 12:50
schestowitzhttps://gemini.susa.net:1993/cgi-bin/Proxy.sh?url=gemini%3A%2F%2Fgemini.susa.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fgemini-irc%3Fsort%3DdescNov 14 12:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring.Nov 14 12:53
schestowitz-TRstill thinking and looking up software deps for several existing (about 5) proxy projectsNov 14 12:59
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Techrights-secackNov 14 12:59
schestowitz-TRone upside is 'selling' this idea of going light for residential standard of connections, then self-hosting, no VPSNov 14 13:00
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schestowitz~/go/bin $ ./go get git.feuerfuchs.dev/Feuerfuchs/gopherproxy Nov 14 13:28
schestowitzpackage git.feuerfuchs.dev/Feuerfuchs/gopherproxy: unrecognized import path "git.feuerfuchs.dev/Feuerfuchs/gopherproxy": https fetch: Get "https://git.feuerfuchs.dev/Feuerfuchs/gopherproxy?go-get=1": dial tcp 45.87.158.7:443: connect: connection refusedNov 14 13:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Failed connect to git.feuerfuchs.dev:443; Connection refused ( status 0 @ https://git.feuerfuchs.dev/Feuerfuchs/gopherproxy?go-get=1 )Nov 14 13:28
schestowitz-TRgiving up on this for todayNov 14 13:28
Techrights-secback in a bitNov 14 13:34
Techrights-secok, it requires a bit of fiddling to get or make a proxyNov 14 13:41
schestowitz-TRside note, not important:Nov 14 13:42
schestowitz-TRseeing how often vulpes goes offlineNov 14 13:42
schestowitz-TRand for how longNov 14 13:42
schestowitz-TRsometimes almost as long as one monthNov 14 13:42
schestowitz-TRyou have to wonder how much of a pain it is to maintainNov 14 13:42
schestowitz-TRanother issueNov 14 13:42
schestowitz-TRwe don't know how many deployments there areNov 14 13:42
schestowitz-TRthere may be just this oneNov 14 13:42
schestowitz-TRso the code they put online may be messy and not enough to even get this runningNov 14 13:43
schestowitz-TRexcept if you're the actual developer of itNov 14 13:43
schestowitz-TRsome of the other proxies use JS and other "yuck" like node.jsNov 14 13:43
schestowitzat one point derek taylot said he wanted to make his homepage just a copy of his capsuleNov 14 13:44
schestowitzgemini://distro.tubeNov 14 13:44
schestowitzit has been offline for MONTHSNov 14 13:45
schestowitzso clearly that's NOT happeningNov 14 13:45
schestowitznot many sites use gemini as their core or their DB, except few hardcore gemini/gopher anthusiastsNov 14 13:45
schestowitzenthusiastsNov 14 13:45
Techrights-secNo to javascript in any form.Nov 14 13:46
schestowitz-TRon the upside, I think the bright alert now works, as something did invoke it earlier but I am not sure at one point in time because it seems to be resolved alreadyNov 14 13:47
schestowitz-TRi also shuffled a bunch of applications around to reduce clutter, improve the 'alta vista' a bit,  reduce distractionNov 14 13:47
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Techrights-secackNov 14 14:16
Techrights-secback in a whileNov 14 14:16
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Techrights-secthe bright alert script is ~gemini/bin/gemini-ping-roy.shNov 14 16:19
Techrights-secThat's probably the one that is working.  Nov 14 16:19
schestowitz-TRyes, but the path to it, which was not specified, did not work when I ran itNov 14 16:20
Techrights-secDid it work?  I fired it up just now.Nov 14 16:21
Techrights-secIt can be moved to /usr/local/bin or somethingNov 14 16:21
schestowitz-TRafter I made the change it did seem to work at one pointNov 14 16:21
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Techrights-secWell COP26 fell on its face in the final hours, undermined by India apparently.Nov 14 17:33
Techrights-secThough India was at the point, other countries went along with the obstruction.Nov 14 17:33
Techrights-secLOL a perfect 10.  I won't click to spoil that.Nov 14 17:33
schestowitz-TRdon't worry, Linux Foundation issued a press release some days ago saying it'll save the world, or something to thatNov 14 17:33
schestowitz-TR effect, I kid youm notNov 14 17:33
schestowitz-TRwhile they greenwash MicrocrosoftNov 14 17:33
schestowitz-TRThe LF could help reduce energy consumption by attacking the desktop marketNov 14 17:34
schestowitz-TRhead on.  Lowering CPU usage by 50% to 75% through abandoning MS Windows Nov 14 17:34
schestowitz-TRwould have great positive impact at a global level.Nov 14 17:34
Techrights-secThe LF could help reduce energy consumption by attacking the desktop marketNov 14 17:34
Techrights-sechead on.  Lowering CPU usage by 50% to 75% through abandoning MS Windows Nov 14 17:34
Techrights-secwould have great positive impact at a global level.Nov 14 17:34
schestowitz-TRminutes ago rianne and I had a laugh seeing that spamnil's youtube channels moves from bad to worse, like 10 views pNov 14 17:34
schestowitz-TRer day after all the hard workNov 14 17:34
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schestowitz-TRgoogleusercontent.com has just bombarded our home connection with over 20k page requests in a short period of timeNov 14 18:52
Techrights-secGoogle is managed by dickheads these days.  I have the feeling that manyNov 14 19:22
Techrights-secthough probably smart don't quite know what they are doing and that theNov 14 19:22
Techrights-secdifferent departments are not in coordination.Nov 14 19:22
Techrights-secMany of the top people who were responsible for Old Google's positiveNov 14 19:22
Techrights-secreputation are long gone.Nov 14 19:22
schestowitz-TRDiBona is still there, trying to cancel RMSNov 14 19:23
schestowitz-TRBeard envy :DNov 14 19:23
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Techrights-sec:(Nov 14 19:23
Techrights-secDiBona is old enough to know better than to go alone with disinformation Nov 14 19:23
Techrights-secspread via social control media.Nov 14 19:23
schestowitz-TRHe himself told me that Slashdot was infested with trolls and shillsNov 14 19:24
schestowitz-TRnow he joins forces wtth someNov 14 19:24
schestowitz-TRFrom "news for geeks" to "bunch of dicks"Nov 14 19:25
Techrights-secYes, /. got taken over by them more or less, well before the first sale.    Nov 14 19:26
Techrights-secThe Halloween I document referred to it as an "Open Source site" but theNov 14 19:26
Techrights-secreality was that tech, especially anything related to the WWW or the Internet,Nov 14 19:26
Techrights-secwas exclusively FOSS.Nov 14 19:26
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Techrights-secReddit is the nastiest with all the lies that got it off the ground.  Nov 14 19:43
Techrights-secPeople still repeat the lie that Aaron Swartz founded it.Nov 14 19:43
schestowitz-TRIn the days of Digg I used to think that he dfidNov 14 19:43
Techrights-secSo by nature of being the most popular tech news discussion forum it was Nov 14 19:44
Techrights-secof course going to focus almost completely on FOSS.  Nov 14 19:44
Techrights-secReddit is the nastiest with all the lies that got it off the ground.  Nov 14 19:44
Techrights-secPeople still repeat the lie that Aaron Swartz founded it.Nov 14 19:44
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Techrights-sechttps://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qtwdj8/a_not_so_complete_list_of_all_the_badness_gates/Nov 14 19:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-old.reddit.com | A (not so complete) list of all the badness Gates foundation, how it enriches Bill Gates and is essentially a giant Tax fraud shell : conspiracyNov 14 19:53
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Techrights-secI see it is filed in r/conspiracy unfortunately the word conspiracy hasNov 14 20:09
Techrights-secbeen co-opted to mean false fantasy rather than an actul groupNov 14 20:09
Techrights-secof people conspiring.Nov 14 20:09
schestowitz-TRsynonyms can be usedNov 14 20:09
Techrights-secYes, however Reddit is censoring the material by categorizing it as false.Nov 14 20:10
schestowitz-TRI think people just submit it thereNov 14 20:10
Techrights-secThat will ensure the very few read it and fewer comment on it.Nov 14 20:11
Techrights-secI would suspect that the submissions are the response to the filter Nov 14 20:11
Techrights-secin the other categories.Nov 14 20:11
Techrights-secThey can easily be trained to submit it there if the moderators Nov 14 20:23
Techrights-secmess with it in any other category.Nov 14 20:23
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Techrights-secWhat was the old URL?Nov 14 20:29
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