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Techrights-sec | "we could use even lower-power hardware" | Mar 17 00:35 |
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Techrights-sec | yes even the raspberry pi requires a 3 A pwoer supply these days | Mar 17 00:35 |
Techrights-sec | for laptops more power efficiency could mean batteries lasting for a day or two | Mar 17 00:35 |
Techrights-sec | 'smart'phones won't even get through a whole work day let alone a calendar day | Mar 17 00:35 |
Techrights-sec | in their current software + hardware constellation. | Mar 17 00:35 |
Techrights-sec | yes, the trademark needs defending or it goes away. Maybe that is another goal | Mar 17 00:35 |
Techrights-sec | of the LF. | Mar 17 00:35 |
schestowitz-TR | I thought about writing something about their new political letter | Mar 17 00:37 |
schestowitz-TR | signed by microsoft | Mar 17 00:37 |
schestowitz-TR | edelman, then microsoft | Mar 17 00:37 |
schestowitz-TR | now LF manager | Mar 17 00:37 |
schestowitz-TR | paid 100% by microsoft | Mar 17 00:37 |
schestowitz-TR | and writing politicval latter | Mar 17 00:37 |
schestowitz-TR | with the name "linux" on them | Mar 17 00:37 |
schestowitz-TR | way to divide the project | Mar 17 00:37 |
Techrights-sec | what an egregious situation, their most hostile competitor has a place not | Mar 17 00:37 |
Techrights-sec | only on the board but inside management | Mar 17 00:37 |
Techrights-sec | yes, division is their well-used tactic. THere have been many previous examples | Mar 17 00:37 |
Techrights-sec | of them sowing division elsewhere. | Mar 17 00:37 |
schestowitz-TR | then again the letter si signed by THREE people | Mar 17 00:38 |
schestowitz-TR | two of whom male | Mar 17 00:38 |
schestowitz-TR | so if I pick on the "softer" | Mar 17 00:38 |
schestowitz-TR | they can try the "sexism" angle | Mar 17 00:38 |
schestowitz-TR | "why onl;y her"? | Mar 17 00:38 |
Techrights-sec | that's yet another means for them to sow division | Mar 17 00:39 |
schestowitz-TR | so I passed, sskipped | Mar 17 00:39 |
schestowitz-TR | not even a meme | Mar 17 00:39 |
schestowitz-TR | anyway, it was covered in a prior video/meme | Mar 17 00:40 |
schestowitz-TR | the miceosoft-spanks-linus one | Mar 17 00:40 |
schestowitz-TR | and it shows the names | Mar 17 00:40 |
schestowitz-TR | hides the faces | Mar 17 00:40 |
Techrights-sec | ack | Mar 17 00:42 |
schestowitz-TR | we have better things to pick on anyway | Mar 17 00:42 |
schestowitz-TR | yesterday I checked deeper the irs filings | Mar 17 00:42 |
schestowitz-TR | theior cfo lef | Mar 17 00:42 |
schestowitz-TR | *left | Mar 17 00:42 |
schestowitz-TR | same year they LOST money | Mar 17 00:42 |
schestowitz-TR | -$700,000 | Mar 17 00:42 |
Techrights-sec | their subesquent adoption of Enron-style accounting is considered acceptible by | Mar 17 00:42 |
Techrights-sec | many accountants, both strangely and unfortunately. | Mar 17 00:42 |
schestowitz-TR | wait, are we talking about companies or a ahhole nation? or nations? | Mar 17 00:44 |
schestowitz-TR | seems like the world has made "loadn-from-unknown-future the norm | Mar 17 00:44 |
schestowitz-TR | maybe we can also borrow some "green credited" from the next generation? | Mar 17 00:44 |
schestowitz-TR | don't worry, we'll be carbon net negative | Mar 17 00:44 |
schestowitz-TR | some day | Mar 17 00:44 |
schestowitz-TR | we'll turn it around, promise | Mar 17 00:44 |
Techrights-sec | M$ considers itself, and works to position itself, above the nation-states, | Mar 17 00:45 |
Techrights-sec | Recall that some of the executive positions are named and positioned as if | Mar 17 00:45 |
Techrights-sec | they were national level, official governmental jobs. | Mar 17 00:45 |
schestowitz-TR | Chairman Bill | Mar 17 00:45 |
schestowitz-TR | Vice President | Mar 17 00:46 |
schestowitz-TR | there miight be others | Mar 17 00:46 |
schestowitz-TR | but many do end up in politics | Mar 17 00:46 |
schestowitz-TR | or vice versa | Mar 17 00:46 |
schestowitz-TR | see meta^H^Hbook | Mar 17 00:46 |
Techrights-sec | I was thinking more specifically National Technology Officer and sone other | Mar 17 00:50 |
Techrights-sec | job titles there. | Mar 17 00:50 |
schestowitz-TR | my job title at techrights shall be benevolent master of the universe | Mar 17 00:53 |
schestowitz-TR | and you shall be god the third | Mar 17 00:53 |
schestowitz-TR | just to ruffle some feather | Mar 17 00:53 |
schestowitz-TR | i need to follow some halo now... if you'll excuse me | Mar 17 00:53 |
Techrights-sec | They clearly continue to have designs on at least being considered part of the | Mar 17 00:54 |
Techrights-sec | governments. LOL | Mar 17 00:54 |
Techrights-sec | On a more serious note, Europe is about to most seriously regret allowing | Mar 17 00:54 |
Techrights-sec | M$ saboteurs placing M$ products throughout critical infrastructure. | Mar 17 00:54 |
schestowitz-TR | if you saw my video about secuyrity, I did mention that this weeek CISA pointed out Russia targets Windows | Mar 17 00:56 |
schestowitz-TR | the MSM will not mention this | Mar 17 00:56 |
schestowitz-TR | it's all day, all night.... linux "secuirty" something | Mar 17 00:56 |
schestowitz-TR | <I did not know the kernel also selected and rotates and re-enters passwords, let alone "1234" | Mar 17 00:56 |
Techrights-sec | There were articles about the US going in covertly before the 2022 attack and | Mar 17 00:57 |
Techrights-sec | cleaning up the M$ infestations what little they could. THey can't do that | Mar 17 00:57 |
Techrights-sec | verywhere and all the time. | Mar 17 00:57 |
Techrights-sec | Yes, they've been pounding the drum about perceived insecurity in FOSS | Mar 17 00:57 |
Techrights-sec | competitors, especially GNU/Linux. They are so frightened by GNU and the | Mar 17 00:57 |
Techrights-sec | goals behind it that they refuse to ever even name it. | Mar 17 00:57 |
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schestowitz | https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/opinion/russia-ukraine-putin.html | Mar 17 09:41 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | Russians Must Accept the Truth. We Failed. - The New York Times | Mar 17 09:42 | |
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schestowitz | https://www.teenvogue.com/story/trump-sc-crt-rally | Mar 17 09:42 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.teenvogue.com | Donald Trump Tells South Carolina Rally to "Lay Down Their Lives" Over Critical Race Theory | Teen Vogue | Mar 17 09:42 | |
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schestowitz | https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ex-nj-teacher-threatened-to-kill-fellow-teacher-in-online-post-authorities-say/ar-AAV5DgD | Mar 17 09:42 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-MSN | Mar 17 09:42 | |
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schestowitz | https://medforth.biz/france-man-in-tracksuit-of-football-club-fc-bayern-munich-wants-to-kill-a-faggot-in-the-name-of-allah-and-stabs-passers-by/ | Mar 17 09:42 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-medforth.biz | France: Man in tracksuit of football club FC Bayern Munich wants to kill a faggot “in the name of Allah” and stabs passers-by – Allah's Willing Executioners | Mar 17 09:42 | |
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schestowitz | https://cphpost.dk/?p=132261 | Mar 17 09:42 |
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cphpost.dk | St Patrick’s Day 2022: Ten reasons to discover Irish literature - The Post | Mar 17 09:42 | |
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schestowitz | https://www.wcvb.com/article/journalist-russian-state-tv-protested/39453051 | Mar 17 09:42 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.wcvb.com | The journalist who protested on Russian state TV says it was 'impossible to stay silent' | Mar 17 09:42 | |
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Techrights-sec | ' | Mar 17 12:04 |
Techrights-sec | otr: another dude trolling http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-160322.html#tMar%2016%2020:28:38 | Mar 17 12:04 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 | Mar 17 12:04 | |
schestowitz-TR | saw that, looked away, hoped he would go away which did happen | Mar 17 12:05 |
schestowitz-TR | ota | Mar 17 12:07 |
schestowitz-TR | sorry, i accidentally pasted the otr in irc, bt not the end of thr world | Mar 17 12:07 |
schestowitz-TR | it is important to remind people we take trolling seriously | Mar 17 12:07 |
schestowitz-TR | but also free speech | Mar 17 12:07 |
schestowitz-TR | if that persists, we need to take action | Mar 17 12:07 |
schestowitz-TR | ota | Mar 17 12:07 |
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schestowitz-TR | ota | Mar 17 13:15 |
schestowitz-TR | the roses are nearly dead now | Mar 17 13:15 |
schestowitz-TR | I've recorded about the strike | Mar 17 13:15 |
schestowitz-TR | working on text now | Mar 17 13:15 |
Techrights-sec | Service Unavailable | Mar 17 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR | draft | Mar 17 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR | i will issue a request for European readers to contact their reps and give contact details | Mar 17 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR | yes, the timing was curious | Mar 17 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR | I was holinking tons of stuff from epo.org | Mar 17 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR | makes me wonder | Mar 17 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR | iot looks ok now | Mar 17 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR | did you do something? | Mar 17 13:54 |
Techrights-sec | nope | Mar 17 14:02 |
schestowitz-TR | VERY interesting that just hotlinking can do damage to OUR site, not theirs | Mar 17 14:03 |
schestowitz-TR | unless they have some appliance that is ddosing us | Mar 17 14:03 |
schestowitz-TR | or spewing oout spam traffic | Mar 17 14:03 |
schestowitz-TR | as "protection" | Mar 17 14:03 |
Techrights-sec | haven't checked yet | Mar 17 14:03 |
schestowitz-TR | I have added local copies of all the flags | Mar 17 14:04 |
schestowitz-TR | I first tested it with hotlinking | Mar 17 14:04 |
schestowitz-TR | you can see this in the more recent draft of the two | Mar 17 14:04 |
schestowitz-TR | better to publish the latter AFTER the video | Mar 17 14:04 |
schestowitz-TR | we'll have some busy EPO days ahead | Mar 17 14:04 |
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schestowitz-TR | main laptoprebootedD | Mar 17 15:46 |
schestowitz-TR | x crashed | Mar 17 15:46 |
schestowitz-TR | which is unusual ####################################### | Mar 17 15:46 |
schestowitz-TR | # Ytalk Error # | Mar 17 15:46 |
schestowitz-TR | at least I managed to update the system and boot into a new kernel | Mar 17 15:46 |
schestowitz-TR | long overdue | Mar 17 15:46 |
Techrights-sec | acktry smartmontools | Mar 17 15:46 |
schestowitz-TR | When rebooting I got a warning about my disk | Mar 17 15:46 |
schestowitz-TR | I might email you a copy | Mar 17 15:46 |
schestowitz-TR | I took a photo, it was bios level | Mar 17 15:46 |
schestowitz-TR | I will install some stuff later | Mar 17 15:46 |
schestowitz-TR | first I have like 50 things to restore following the reboot | Mar 17 15:46 |
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Techrights-sec | SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED! | Mar 17 17:17 |
Techrights-sec | - NVM subsystem reliability has been degraded | Mar 17 17:17 |
Techrights-sec | time for a new drive, I think | Mar 17 17:17 |
Techrights-sec | They're usually easy to replace if you get a matching model. | Mar 17 17:17 |
schestowitz-TR | it does not even say much about why or how | Mar 17 17:17 |
schestowitz-TR | does not suggest a fix either | Mar 17 17:17 |
schestowitz-TR | considering the complexity of this job, should I may consider demoting this machine to non-primary and get another machine to act as primary? | Mar 17 17:18 |
Techrights-sec | that would be a work-around but any data on the HD can be silently corrupted | Mar 17 17:22 |
schestowitz-TR | yes, I know, but I did the same with ted and vonick, basically one machines becomes "slave" and all the important data is maintained only on the new one | Mar 17 17:22 |
Techrights-sec | Underprovisioning solid state drives can extend the life. The drives | Mar 17 17:25 |
Techrights-sec | have some built-in wear levelling but leaving some padding goes further. | Mar 17 17:25 |
schestowitz-TR | OK, thanks | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | At this point I gravitate towards getting a newer machine | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | teere are already other issues on this one | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | so I do not want to invest in repairs too much | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | this machine has 2- to 50 GB free | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | depeending on how many videos are stored | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | I did notice some months ago Intel ewarniings at the syslog files | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | that might be related | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | I can buy a machine | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | second hand but better | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | put a new OS on it | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | copy /home to it | Mar 17 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | than startr working from there, use debian 10 for some tasks | Mar 17 17:28 |
Techrights-sec | Available Spare: 100% | Mar 17 17:28 |
Techrights-sec | Available Spare Threshold: 5% | Mar 17 17:28 |
Techrights-sec | Percentage Used: 111% | Mar 17 17:28 |
Techrights-sec | either way I think there is time pressure to abandon the HD currently inside | Mar 17 17:29 |
schestowitz-TR | I can go look for a laptop tomorrow | Mar 17 17:31 |
schestowitz-TR | I do not want a brand new on | Mar 17 17:31 |
schestowitz-TR | Microsoft makes good 'old' machines cheaper | Mar 17 17:32 |
schestowitz-TR | by rendering them obsolete | Mar 17 17:32 |
Techrights-sec | Ok. That's faster than it would take to order a new drive and have it delivered | Mar 17 17:32 |
Techrights-sec | Yes. | Mar 17 17:32 |
Techrights-sec | Though they appear to have plans to experiment with hardware which *cannot* | Mar 17 17:32 |
Techrights-sec | accept a reinstalled OS, not even WIndoze. | Mar 17 17:32 |
schestowitz-TR | afaik, this current machine is from 2016 | Mar 17 17:34 |
schestowitz-TR | I have otheers from that year | Mar 17 17:34 |
schestowitz-TR | it was maybe state of the art back then | Mar 17 17:34 |
schestowitz-TR | the drive is thus about 6 years old | Mar 17 17:34 |
schestowitz-TR | the keyboard has some issues with it | Mar 17 17:34 |
schestowitz-TR | I have aspare VGA, can have 9 monitors in front of me if I get another laptop | Mar 17 17:34 |
schestowitz-TR | and a drive more reliable and mayeb bigger for the files | Mar 17 17:34 |
schestowitz-TR | that are criuitical to me | Mar 17 17:34 |
Techrights-sec | The old one could boot a custom Live USB stick and still be used for something | Mar 17 17:35 |
Techrights-sec | barrier or whatever | Mar 17 17:35 |
schestowitz-TR | I woluld still use the HD, until it dies, then live CD | Mar 17 17:37 |
schestowitz-TR | I could use that as encoding farm for videos | Mar 17 17:37 |
Techrights-sec | Yes, but system files only, *no* data for that drive any more. | Mar 17 17:37 |
Techrights-sec | Video could be read via SSHFS or NFS from another machine, | Mar 17 17:37 |
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schestowitz-TR | I have just chedked ebaqy | Mar 17 17:46 |
schestowitz-TR | 512GB nvm is about 11-150 pounds | Mar 17 17:46 |
schestowitz-TR | I am guessing I might be able to get a decent laptop for 200 | Mar 17 17:46 |
schestowitz-TR | but maybe with inflation and shortages that has changed | Mar 17 17:46 |
schestowitz-TR | I do not wish to buy a new machine with microsoft tax | Mar 17 17:46 |
schestowitz-TR | I am playing hypothetical in my head | Mar 17 17:46 |
schestowitz-TR | like tasks and workflow | Mar 17 17:46 |
schestowitz-TR | the migration can be staged, with data doing the leap first | Mar 17 17:46 |
Techrights-sec | yes there is a hurry with the data | Mar 17 17:52 |
schestowitz-TR | a part of me is in fact relieved | Mar 17 18:04 |
schestowitz-TR | 1. I tested booting | Mar 17 18:04 |
schestowitz-TR | 2. I improved my recovery notes | Mar 17 18:04 |
schestowitz-TR | 3. for months now I've been suspecting HD issues, which I mentioned openly | Mar 17 18:04 |
schestowitz-TR | 4. I can use another machine | Mar 17 18:04 |
schestowitz-TR | 5. this can solve some space constrained and USB port limits | Mar 17 18:05 |
schestowitz-TR | Recently I could not use the external webcam unless I unplugged the mouse | Mar 17 18:05 |
schestowitz-TR | which led to othyer issues | Mar 17 18:05 |
schestowitz-TR | 6. I can use the spare external monitor | Mar 17 18:05 |
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Techrights-sec | #4 | Mar 17 18:21 |
Techrights-sec | The RPi4 can drive two monitors | Mar 17 18:21 |
schestowitz-TR | ok, how about... | Mar 17 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | instead of additional laptop | Mar 17 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | adding externalkl USB drive to the pi | Mar 17 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | 4tb | Mar 17 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | then all essential data goes there | Mar 17 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | upsides: no new machine | Mar 17 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | can be used over ssh -X | Mar 17 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | downsides | Mar 17 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | for things like thunderbird too slow | Mar 17 18:25 |
Techrights-sec | that'd work too -- if the dead drive is removed just to be sure | Mar 17 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | and does not tackle the issue of this current machine | Mar 17 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | being potentially on its way out | Mar 17 18:25 |
Techrights-sec | the machien might last a while longer but the drive should be decommissioned | Mar 17 18:30 |
Techrights-sec | today | Mar 17 18:30 |
schestowitz-TR | yes, that is what I am thinking | Mar 17 18:33 |
schestowitz-TR | let me know if this makes sense | Mar 17 18:33 |
schestowitz-TR | stages: | Mar 17 18:33 |
schestowitz-TR | 1) copy ALL of /home to external HDD | Mar 17 18:33 |
schestowitz-TR | 2) coinnected the HDD to the pi that runs gemini | Mar 17 18:33 |
schestowitz-TR | 3) move all working notes (articles etc.) to that machine | Mar 17 18:33 |
schestowitz-TR | then edit them over ssh | Mar 17 18:33 |
schestowitz-TR | 4) all essential files are then stores on the SSD and external disk | Mar 17 18:33 |
schestowitz-TR | 5) this machine is still use for browsing etc. | Mar 17 18:33 |
schestowitz-TR | where underlying data on disk is not essential | Mar 17 18:33 |
schestowitz-TR | or stuff like music files | Mar 17 18:33 |
Techrights-sec | #3 -- sshfs is not to slow over the LAN / WLAN | Mar 17 18:34 |
Techrights-sec | #5 -- boot from the USB stick with a bare bones installation | Mar 17 18:34 |
Techrights-sec | I'd say get a screwdriver and remove the drive today so there is no temptation | Mar 17 18:34 |
Techrights-sec | to keep it in service | Mar 17 18:34 |
schestowitz-TR | goint to speak to me boss in 10 mins | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | I might confront him | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | but aftr that I will start migrating data to the external drive | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | thre are 3 drives in total | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | but two will be backups | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | I will classify tasks i DI AS DATAESSENTIAL AND NONDATA ESSENTIAL | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | THEN DECIDE WHAT i can keep doing on this machined | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | and which activity to do remoately via the pi | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | irc will need to go to the pi because it logs | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | and the log files can be very large | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | email will be a challnge because the data is too large for the pi's native storage | Mar 17 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | and thunderbird is very heavy | Mar 17 18:54 |
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Techrights-sec | thunderbird is a little heavy even for RPi4, not just weaker models | Mar 17 18:58 |
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schestowitz-TR | I had a one-hour chat with him | Mar 17 22:56 |
schestowitz-TR | I handed his arse to him, as they say here | Mar 17 22:56 |
schestowitz-TR | or I put them in their poplace | Mar 17 22:56 |
schestowitz-TR | he and the CEO | Mar 17 22:56 |
schestowitz-TR | a lot off my chest | Mar 17 22:56 |
schestowitz-TR | and he was oon the defensive the whole trime | Mar 17 22:56 |
schestowitz-TR | occasionally raising the voice | Mar 17 22:57 |
schestowitz-TR | to try to give pretence of leverage | Mar 17 22:57 |
schestowitz-TR | rianne only heard part of it as she was in the kitchen most of the time | Mar 17 22:57 |
schestowitz-TR | anyway, that was fun | Mar 17 22:57 |
schestowitz-TR | tonight or tomorrow I will migrate data and workflow out of my main box | Mar 17 22:57 |
schestowitz-TR | first the data | Mar 17 22:57 |
schestowitz-TR | all of it | Mar 17 22:57 |
schestowitz-TR | I might use a second laptop as terminal for the external HD | Mar 17 22:57 |
schestowitz-TR | rather than a pi | Mar 17 22:57 |
schestowitz-TR | for a number of reasons | Mar 17 22:57 |
schestowitz-TR | at the end this will be like a bit of an upgrade for me | Mar 17 22:57 |
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