IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, June 18, 2022

schestowitz-TR

but I am not sure

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I will know for wusre when he says "of cause!"

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ack

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are there any groups following and/or fighting M$ misrepresentation of

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topics inside Wikipedia or the Wikimedia universe in general?

schestowitz-TR

good question, but nothing I know of

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you won't like me saying it, but the problem is much more vast than Microsoft

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and wikipedia interference is not limited to the private sector

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I've grown unhappy esp. when it comes to nonscience articles

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or political subjects

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you don't get the full picture at all

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even the rerefrences are accordinfgly biased

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and OSI says remove the references that are "homophobic" (they're not)

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so I basically assume wikipedia will stagnate

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victim of its own perceived importantce

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russia/putin already blocks it

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at least partly

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rather than try to "fix it"

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which would not work because we known who owns and controls wikipedia

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it's a platform control and centraliusation issue, same for twitter and SandbergBook

Techrights-sec2

Oh, I understand that, and I have questions about the viability of Wikipedia's

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very nature, but since it's there, it has to be dealt with one way or another.

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There are no non-political subjects these days.

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especially in regards to technology since computers are about control:

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either people control their computers or their computers control them

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and there are many monied interests that are attracted to the power that

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would be concentrated in their hands as fewer systems control more people

schestowitz-TR

that is true

Jun 18 08:43

schestowitz-TR

you put it succinctly enough

Jun 18 08:43

schestowitz-TR

should we do an article to that effect, with focus on wikipedia?

Jun 18 08:43

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Jun 18 08:44

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the above is mostly just a paraphrase of what RMS has said many times

Jun 18 08:44

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perhaps there is a relevant page from his writings that could be quoted

Jun 18 08:44

schestowitz-TR

I think it would be better not to name wikipedia or microsoft

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excepot as examples

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but to focus on the underlying problem and maybe the Internet

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I work for a very dumb company (as in, management) and they will never "get" it

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you mention RMS writings

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on this particular topic, like misinformation, I don't think he wrote much nor does he specialise (nor do we)

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but on this topic a better authority might be that mozorov (guessing the name, cannot remember) from eastern europe

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who wrote about misuse of tech by authocrats

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he wrote a lot about who should control the computer

Jun 18 08:47

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that goes back to even his GNU Manifesto days

Jun 18 08:47

schestowitz-TR

wikipedia (or similar) are less about conrol of the computer

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buit control over information and its dissemination

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related issue, but not the same

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you could download wikipedia and edit it locally

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that would still not tackle the issue of the upstream "project" distributing revisionism

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right

Jun 18 08:49

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wikileaks = originally a wiki

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then editorially controlled

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with some drupal aat the core, IIRC

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wikileaks = we have raw information, let's collaborate on interpretatioin and dissemination

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ack

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governments did not have edit privs like in wikipedia

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the cloest they could get is moles

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Jun 18 09:35

schestowitz-TR

<techrights-news> BBC, bribed by Jeffrey Epstein's enabler Bill Gates and run by Microsoft UK, uses the Microsoft lobbying term "big tech" ☛ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61817647

Jun 18 09:46

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<techrights-news> Microsoft: let's stop talking about crimes of corporations and instead about the size of corporations ("big tech"). Also Microsoft: people don't dislike Microsoft because of Microsoft's crime and corruption, they just envy is size and "success"

Jun 18 09:46

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ack

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notice how every last article about MSIE glossed over the anti-competive

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practices with which it is inexorably intertwined with, along with the points

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brought up by Ryan in the guest post about it not really being removed.

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It looks like the narrative they are trying to cultivate is that M$ has

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moved on and turned a new leaf or some such utter bullshit

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thjey also cultivate enderle as [buzzword] expert

Jun 18 10:14

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the media when bribed is not journalism

Jun 18 10:14

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yes they try to pretend that; he is just another say-for-pay M$ shill and

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one of the more dyed-in-the-wool forms of shill at that

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IIRC he had officially retired several times already

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stenography and press releases are not journalism

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nor are M$ talkin points

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MS Jack does semm to have retrired for good

Jun 18 10:16

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<techrights-news> Assange helped show what's wrong with social control media (he borrowed this term from me!). It was weaponised against him by making up totally bogus scandals or inciting online mobs/groups (tribalism) against him, based on fabrication, giving many people different reasons to hate a man who helped expose corruption and war crimes

Jun 18 10:20

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ack

Jun 18 10:27

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s/reasons/false reasons/

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schestowitz-TR

<techrights-news> Michigan ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/17/michigan-starts-dismantling-its-forfeiture-reforms-to-make-it-easier-to-steal-cash-from-people-at-airports/ | Source: Techdirt

Jun 18 13:36

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just went out for exercise

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about 1.5 hours walk

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came back with ~20 kg

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inc. new large aquarium for the fish

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nice

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how many liters in size?

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almost 20

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with filters

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glass exterior

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the older tank can be used for tratment

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the fish are small

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larger are easier to maintain, their more stable but you have some experience

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with fish now

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^they're

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how the idea came about is is own storyt

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the excuse was an anniversary

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but there's more to it

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I was not happy with the pet store

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went to another large chain

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ack

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the pet store puts some fancy fish in little prisons

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and some of them look dead

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I cannot forgive them for it , it is unnecessarily cruel

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prior to the loss of wifi on the pi (kernel issue; that's also why the throttling script stopped working afaik)

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the lights on the pi gave them some entertainment

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depending on the traffic LOL!

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the lights still work

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but they are near the router with a wired connection

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that's strange about the wifi on the RPi

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schestowitz-TR

thebackstory is

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a) I had extra time (just the wikipedia article to do tolday)

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b) wanted to "take a hiuke" walk)

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while upstairs I thought of rianne feeding fish in the canal

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d) when feeding the fish I saw signes of aging in the 10-year-old tank

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3) they turn one soon, in retrospect

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so taking some of these combined, I decided to do a little traip with shopping as a perk

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didn't imagine it would be so heavy, expected not to sweat at all

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16 degrees outside

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at some point the OS on the pi will work as expecdted again

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I'm sure it's the kernel

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then I can use it for lighting up the fish

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and maybe write a better pgoram for them

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with a 24hr program

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not based on cron jobs like TR bulletins ;)

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maybe at one point I can solder in the button and do a reminder mechanism for feeding

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a colleague of mine did something like this f

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fish tank alerts

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ack

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I have not clue as to the cause there.

https://www.olimex.com/Products/Duino/Shields/PWR-SWITCH/

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can control lights directly from the GPIO with this:

Jun 18 13:49

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Jun 18 13:49

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oh, wait, that's for the EU plugs. never mind

Jun 18 13:49

schestowitz-TR

the plan is, wait for kernel-raspberrypi

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or whatever it is called

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not linux-image

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then try to reboot

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and see what version if running

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shouuld be 5.15+

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not 5.10

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to be fair, it failed gracefully enough to at least boot something, so it still runs, but in a more limited mode

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windows would probably be infinite booting loop

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i.e. bricked

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unless you rebuild the whole thing from scratch

https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-relay-board

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I know a new kernel can boot OK on that physical machine

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ack

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because it worked OK off of the USB clone

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but those are slow to boot

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both on rianne's and mine

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even on the blue port

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installing some wifi updates on the pi now

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nonfree firmware

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but I am waiting for a full kernel update

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before rebooting

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which causes downtime

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and takes me off the top of the Lupa "list"

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for ~2 weeks

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downtime is important to avoid, but it is very unclear what is causing it there

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when booting with a monitor attached I do see some alerts related to kernel

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too fast for me to read

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and I don't think I can pause

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maybe I can run dmesg

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but either way it uses an old kernel

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older than what's on the clone

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or rianne's pi

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it is possible some upgrade packages like iptables expect an equally new kernel

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but it is not there

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iptables is replaced with nftables

Jun 18 13:59

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yes, iptables is tentatively dumped already

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but some compatibility layer was in place, I think

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everything worked OK before the full system update

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followed by the outage, which merely forced a belated reboot

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hmm

Jun 18 14:09

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we've just discussed where to put the tank and when

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I do want them to get the lights back

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when mr. schneider or whatshisname updates the pi

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fixing the kernel bits

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not adding packages.microsoft.com covertly

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let's hope that there is no more sabotage from M$, but they do need to clear

Jun 18 14:15

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house especially on the board of directors and remove the saboteurs directlky

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TechrightsBN

Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.77

Jun 18 14:25

schestowitz-TR

what software do you use to make thew charts for measures?

Jun 18 14:27

Techrights-sec2

gnuplot

Jun 18 14:27

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it can be made prettier but I have not spent time in that direction yet

Jun 18 14:27

schestowitz-TR

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I used to do scruipting with imagemagick

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you can do very complex ooperations there

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also gimp from CLI

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yes imagemagick is quite good but for rather other purposes

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gimp scripts nicely

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Jun 18 14:41

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seems like even automount for external drive isn't quite there with the current kernel

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I will wait for a newer kernel to come in

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I cannot force that or compile one without risk greater issues

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in the past it automounted as I recall it

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I would only umount it when done before unplugging

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that can be set in /etc/fstab maybe but with a lot of different settings than

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yes, I checked fstab

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for the 'normal' system drives

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buit would rather not mess about

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it was not necessary before

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for no I do backups over ssh

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not to external drive or a clone

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I don't want to clone a system in such a state

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only its pertinent /home files

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in theory I could even revert back to the latest clone and then copy in /home

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but would rather not spend time doing that

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ack

Jun 18 15:07

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checed backup

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it's complete now

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I'll get the pi working as before, one way or another

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but thr safe way

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ack