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schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovelyz#2020%E2%80%932021:_Unforgettable_and_departure_from_Woollim_EntertainmentJan 20 04:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Lovelyz - WikipediaJan 20 04:46
schestowitz"On November 1, 2021, Woollim Entertainment announced 7 of the members, except Baby Soul, chosen not to renew their contracts which expired on November 16. Woollim Entertainment however didn't mentioned in its press release sent to news agencies on whether the group would be disbanded"Jan 20 04:46
schestowitzWhat a shameJan 20 04:46
schestowitztheir tracks were excellent. This could be the end.Jan 20 04:46
schestowitzRe: Quick question: about TM submission formattingJan 20 05:06
schestowitz> Thank you! And yes, maintaining motivation can be challenging sometimes.Jan 20 05:07
schestowitz> Life just keeps getting in the way.Jan 20 05:07
schestowitzI've found that momentum/inertia is very important, as the mind and body tend to work like that. Like merely starting a workout to be in a workout mood/mode.Jan 20 05:07
schestowitzI think Cory Doctorow said something to the effect of having to write something every day just to maintain the habit. I don't recall the exact words.Jan 20 05:07
schestowitzok, so they've definitely disbanded. What a shame. Like Spice Girls at their heights: https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2022/01/11/entertainment/kpop/kpop-korea-Lovelyz/20220111133349782.html https://meaww.com/k-pop-lovelyzs-kei-yien-palm-tree-island-yein-sublime-artist-agencyJan 20 05:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-koreajoongangdaily.joins.com | Former Lovelyz member Yein signs with new agencyJan 20 05:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-meaww.com | Lovelyz's Kei signs with PalmTree Island, Yein joins Sublime Artist Agency | MEAWWJan 20 05:11
schestowitzdisbanded groups, universally, seem like an ego issueJan 20 05:13
schestowitzpeople not willing to work together anymoreaJan 20 05:14
schestowitzand all the solo careers down the drainJan 20 05:14
schestowitzmaybe except destiny's childJan 20 05:14
schestowitzdr. dreJan 20 05:14
schestowitzdiana rossJan 20 05:14
schestowitzmichael jacksonJan 20 05:14
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Techrights-secA second theme implied in the article is the ridicule of those who complainJan 20 07:55
Techrights-secabout 1) m$ level of access to documents, 2) m$ surveillance in general:Jan 20 07:55
Techrights-sechttps://www.salon.com/2022/01/17/does-lara-think-microsoft-words-clippy-assistant-is-a-real-person-and-woke_partner/ Jan 20 07:55
Techrights-secby trotting out stupid people who serve as proxies for m$ strawman argumentsJan 20 07:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.salon.com | Does Lara Trump think Microsoft Word's Clippy assistant is a real person — and "woke"? | Salon.comJan 20 07:55
schestowitz-TRyes, admfubar posted this yesterdayJan 20 07:56
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schestowitz-TRgenerally, articles crafted as obvious clickbait are timewastingJan 20 08:03
schestowitz-TRso I just laugh and move onJan 20 08:03
schestowitz-TRI still need video ideas, though news is slow and meaningfulJan 20 08:03
schestowitz-TRthings to cover seem too fewJan 20 08:03
schestowitz-TRbetter to produce nothing than fodderJan 20 08:03
Techrights-secyes timewasting but nonetheless propaganda with a message for the massesJan 20 08:05
Techrights-secnews dropped over the holidays and has not / will not recover, each ChristmasJan 20 08:05
Techrights-secand summer (northern hemisphere) is an excuse for the owners to cut backJan 20 08:05
Techrights-secfurther on content.  Jan 20 08:05
schestowitz-TRi recently asked rianne if she felt the same way and she confirmedJan 20 08:05
schestowitz-TRless news and less meaningful news, no depthJan 20 08:05
schestowitz-TRall that recent linux^H^Hmalware span is now newsJan 20 08:06
schestowitz-TRit's microsoft crowdstike promoting its neew product, announced days earlierJan 20 08:06
schestowitz-TRin press releases which googlebombed "Linux"Jan 20 08:06
Techrights-sec The lack of substance is an additional problem, butJan 20 08:07
Techrights-secharder to count.  A while back there was a link about the number of people Jan 20 08:07
Techrights-secemployed in journalism.  It is a small fraction now of what it was 40 years agoJan 20 08:07
Techrights-sechttps://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/13/u-s-newsroom-employment-has-fallen-26-since-2008/Jan 20 08:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pewresearch.org | U.S. newsroom employment has fallen 26% since 2008 | Pew Research CenterJan 20 08:07
Techrights-secGoogle helps m$ pollute the search results, as far as I can tell.Jan 20 08:08
schestowitz-TRin the long run, I think, we should try to get ppeople off the web, at leastJan 20 08:12
schestowitz-TRpartially or part of the time, and build alternativesJan 20 08:12
schestowitz-TRany further time wasted furnishing twitters and CAs and stuff is time wasteedJan 20 08:12
schestowitz-TRthe video stuff can of course be served over any protocolJan 20 08:12
schestowitz-TRwe already have the pages in multiple formatsJan 20 08:12
schestowitz-TRaral balkan and timm b-l wronglly assume they can replace the broken webJan 20 08:12
schestowitz-TRwith more js, which is in fact a bit part of the problem (wrt the web)Jan 20 08:12
schestowitz-TRI've tried to make it easier to digest stuff also in p2p and in text editor,Jan 20 08:12
schestowitz-TRcommand line,  irc, etc.Jan 20 08:12
schestowitz-TRirc logs, for example, for those who do not lurk, are now availableJan 20 08:12
schestowitz-TRin 4 different formats or 3 with two protocols for the text versionJan 20 08:12
Techrights-secWhat is and has been needed is a stateful successor protocol to follow HTTPJan 20 08:15
Techrights-secThe core of the abuse comes from the misuse of the web browers as highly Jan 20 08:15
Techrights-secinefficient and severly insecure virtual machines.  I suppose that is another ofJan 20 08:15
Techrights-secthe reasons why Qt was removed from the field.  It was once a way to provideJan 20 08:15
Techrights-seccross-platform native applications.  Jan 20 08:15
Techrights-secjavascript is definitely part of the problem.  In some ways it causes the problemJan 20 08:15
Techrights-sec Jan 20 08:15
Techrights-secWhat is and has been needed is a stateful successor protocol to follow HTTPJan 20 08:15
Techrights-secThe core of the abuse comes from the misuse of the web browers as highly Jan 20 08:15
Techrights-secinefficient and severly insecure virtual machines.  I suppose that is another ofJan 20 08:15
Techrights-secthe reasons why Qt was removed from the field.  It was once a way to provideJan 20 08:15
Techrights-seccross-platform native applications.  Jan 20 08:15
schestowitz-TRwww in 2022 = apacheJan 20 08:16
schestowitz-TRgemini in 2022 = nginxJan 20 08:16
schestowitz-TRor alpine versus the rhel- clones, which inc. Debian Jan 20 08:16
Techrights-secnginx sucks too however.  Jan 20 08:19
Techrights-secand Debian is not what it once was either.  I wonder if Mark Shuttleworth's Jan 20 08:19
Techrights-secact of hiring away many key developers weakened the project enough accidentallyJan 20 08:19
Techrights-secthat m$ and other opponents could get in and stir things up with systemd andJan 20 08:19
Techrights-secother wokery and thus take most of the mindshare /away/ from development and Jan 20 08:19
Techrights-seccoding and onto infighting.  Jan 20 08:19
schestowitz-TRto what extent is the poached canonical staff contribute ';upstream'Jan 20 08:19
schestowitz-TRto debian?Jan 20 08:19
schestowitz-TRmir, unity etc. aside, I assume many still work on similar componentsJan 20 08:19
Techrights-secI don't know, I didn't follow, but some of their arguments did spill over intoJan 20 08:21
Techrights-secthe non-technical forums.  Jan 20 08:21
schestowitz-TRI will think if there is a topic to be coherently explained hereJan 20 08:24
schestowitz-TRfor now, as you said (and had struck a nerve), the audienceJan 20 08:24
schestowitz-TRseems to have shrunk over the decades, I assumedue toJan 20 08:24
schestowitz-TRsocial control media, apps etc.Jan 20 08:24
schestowitz-TRwho needs journalism when you have timelines and like buttons?Jan 20 08:24
schestowitz-TRand tons of energy is put into partisaan infighting, never or Jan 20 08:24
schestowitz-TRrarely involving the core problem, such as the puppetmastersJan 20 08:24
schestowitz-TRof the political callsJan 20 08:24
schestowitz-TR*classJan 20 08:24
Techrights-secWhat irks me the most about social control media is the public's collectiveJan 20 08:25
Techrights-secinability to see how maniplation through timeline algorithms occurs.  AJan 20 08:25
Techrights-secYes, FB and the others cause a hell of a lot of infighting.  Feuds fuel clicks.Jan 20 08:25
Techrights-secClicks == product (manipulation); click also == money (power)Jan 20 08:25
Techrights-secside issue, but relevant regardless:Jan 20 08:28
Techrights-secin the years 2016 to roughly 2019 I lost a lopt  of time in those "networks"Jan 20 08:28
Techrights-secbut the participation peaked in those years, I thinkJan 20 08:28
Techrights-secthis means that I partl;y neglected articlesJan 20 08:28
Techrights-secprior to that I had covered EPO moreJan 20 08:28
Techrights-secI think around 2019 we put together tons of code to make TRJan 20 08:28
Techrights-seccapable of doing 3000 posts a year, like in 2009 and 2010Jan 20 08:28
schestowitz-TRside issue, but relevant regardless:Jan 20 08:28
schestowitz-TRin the years 2016 to roughly 2019 I lost a lopt  of time in those "networks"Jan 20 08:28
schestowitz-TRbut the participation peaked in those years, I thinkJan 20 08:28
schestowitz-TRthis means that I partl;y neglected articlesJan 20 08:28
schestowitz-TRprior to that I had covered EPO moreJan 20 08:28
schestowitz-TRI think around 2019 we put together tons of code to make TRJan 20 08:28
schestowitz-TRcapable of doing 3000 posts a year, like in 2009 and 2010Jan 20 08:28
Techrights-sec+1Jan 20 08:29
Techrights-secIRC logs still need to be automated, the last bit is WordPress in the way. Jan 20 08:29
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schestowitz-TRwe need to rethink a bunch of things at a  higher level than thisJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRfact: a lot of geeks think creating a locally-hosted instance ofJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRmastodom of pleroma or non-fedi thing like diaspora is the way to goJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRI do not agreeeeJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRhow long will they be able to maintain these for?Jan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRphp versionsJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRdb issuesJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRall this for one or few accountsJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRin schestowitz.com I just keep everything in bland, plain HTMLJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRmuch of that site is around 20 years oldJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRwordpress is still going, but not in the right trajectoryJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRafaik, there are no potent forks eitherJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TRunless you wish to be orphaned within a year or twoJan 20 08:32
schestowitz-TR(there were wordpress forks in the past)Jan 20 08:32
Techrights-secToo much maintenance and other overhead in having a mastodon instance.  Jan 20 08:34
Techrights-secAs mentioned, I figure WP must be jetisoned.  The old pages can be static.Jan 20 08:34
Techrights-secThe downside is that the old pages cannot then (for all practical purposes)Jan 20 08:34
Techrights-secbe updated to link to relevant current pages and topics.  However, it would Jan 20 08:34
Techrights-secsave a lot of resources to do that.  Hugo or jekyll? Not much more is neededJan 20 08:34
Techrights-secthan a templating system.  (famous last words)Jan 20 08:34
Techrights-secyou can still update them, but a good CMS would be neededJan 20 08:35
Techrights-secbut then, you renew a reliance on another CMSJan 20 08:35
schestowitz-TRyou can still update them, but a good CMS would be neededJan 20 08:35
schestowitz-TRbut then, you renew a reliance on another CMSJan 20 08:35
Techrights-secyes relying on another CMS is not so good, relying on a homegrown one mightJan 20 08:35
Techrights-secbe even worse...Jan 20 08:35
schestowitz-TRin gemini we already saw how an OS upgrade 'broke' the logging daemon (yes, I can run it interactively from the CLI)Jan 20 08:36
schestowitz-TRbut at least we are crafting and then sharing things in an areaJan 20 08:39
schestowitz-TRwhere code is mostly absent (for now) for a lot of taskJan 20 08:39
schestowitz-TRcontrast to the web, where like a thousand frameworks exist ofor the same Jan 20 08:39
schestowitz-TRtak and you hardlky even know the names of the vast majority of theseJan 20 08:39
Techrights-secackJan 20 08:39
schestowitz-TRlet me throw an idea out thereJan 20 08:42
schestowitz-TRprovided we wait a little longerJan 20 08:42
schestowitz-TRwe can make gemini primary, using a hand-crafted gatewayJan 20 08:42
schestowitz-TRand then have a "legacy" html version with images and attachments and allJan 20 08:42
schestowitz-TRboth get indexedJan 20 08:42
schestowitz-TRlegacy as in static, archivedJan 20 08:42
schestowitz-TR> in gemini we already saw how an OS upgrade 'broke' the logging daemon (yes, I cJan 20 08:43
schestowitz-TRan run it interactively from the CLI)Jan 20 08:43
schestowitz-TRiow, ad hoc things done today might not work smoothly tomorrowJan 20 08:43
schestowitz-TRbut at least we are crafting and then sharing things in an areaJan 20 08:43
schestowitz-TRwhere code is mostly absent (for now) for a lot of taskJan 20 08:43
schestowitz-TRcontrast to the web, where like a thousand frameworks exist ofor the same Jan 20 08:43
schestowitz-TRtak and you hardlky even know the names of the vast majority of theseJan 20 08:43
Techrights-secackJan 20 08:44
Techrights-secThe images are not so hard to collect but the videos are very large.Jan 20 08:44
schestowitz-TRif only i knew more about youtube, i'd know how to coinvince people to getJan 20 08:53
schestowitz-TRoff itJan 20 08:54
schestowitz-TRfor now, I can better explain social control media like twitterJan 20 08:54
schestowitz-TR(not fb)Jan 20 08:54
schestowitz-TRand why the web sucks and needs to be replacedJan 20 08:54
Techrights-secthe web was very briefly approaching improvement with XHTML4 and CSS2Jan 20 08:57
Techrights-secthen javasript and the rest happened.Jan 20 08:57
schestowitz-TRyou 'left out' xml/rss/atomJan 20 08:57
schestowitz-TRalso, to e, all those js "frameworks" are the new activescriptJan 20 08:57
schestowitz-TRand eme is like "protected content" in TrashJan 20 08:57
schestowitz-TRbecause w3c must adapt to suit hollywoodJan 20 08:57
schestowitz-TRnot the other way aroundJan 20 08:57
schestowitz-TRbtw, some pro-patent sites have been perishingJan 20 09:01
schestowitz-TRthey think they need a site overhaulJan 20 09:01
schestowitz-TRso they invest in changes without first realising whatJan 20 09:01
schestowitz-TRthe hell is going onJan 20 09:01
schestowitz-TRand why their audience has walked awayJan 20 09:01
schestowitz-TRas a topic, patents are again slippijng out of the public vistaJan 20 09:01
schestowitz-TRpublishers' manguish is sometimes addressing yesterday issuesJan 20 09:01
schestowitz-TRlike running a site about novell in 2022Jan 20 09:01
Techrights-secYes, keeping the old link structure is very important, at least for the oldJan 20 09:02
Techrights-secposts.  That's doable in several ways.Jan 20 09:02
Techrights-secI'd say part of that is due to the patents being a exacerbating factor in theJan 20 09:02
Techrights-secSARS-CoV-2 pandemic.Jan 20 09:02
Techrights-sec'Jan 20 09:02
Techrights-secIt's probably their way of appearing active but with out actually having toJan 20 09:05
Techrights-seccover anything of substance.  They're probably also afraid of the fact thatJan 20 09:05
Techrights-secany topic addressed even superficially is going to tread on Bill's toes.  Jan 20 09:05
schestowitz-TRIAM changed its logo, still not producing much and there's a paywall. I doubt many pay. They used to raise money from "events".Jan 20 09:06
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Techrights-secThey are mostly disinformation there as far as I know.  Jan 20 09:12
schestowitz-TRyes, btw, today's automated feeds are missing from the combined fileJan 20 09:13
schestowitz    <li>Jan 20 09:27
schestowitz                      <h5><a href="https://www.dedoimedo.com/life/youtube-dislike-count-how-to-use.html">How to use the new dislike-less Youtube</a></h5>Jan 20 09:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.dedoimedo.com/life/youtube-dislike-count-how-to-use.html">How )Jan 20 09:27
schestowitz                      <blockquote>Jan 20 09:27
schestowitz                        <p>You must have heard. There is a new episode of Internet drama! Youtube has decided to remove the Dislike counter from under the video playback frame. This means that people, at a glance, do not have a way of knowing how many dislikes a particular video has received in its lifetime, and more importantly, the like-to-dislike ratio, which is commonly used to quickly estimate the "quality" of video clips. Seems like we Jan 20 09:27
schestowitzhave a problem. But wait.</p></blockquote></li>Jan 20 09:27
Techrights-secI'll check the automated feeds...Jan 20 09:32
Techrights-secok, it was missing a module, I've re-uploaded.  Thanks for spotting that.  Jan 20 09:32
Techrights-secI'll add in an error check now.  Jan 20 09:32
schestowitz-TRthanks, will refetch when done with current version, then will remove munually curated and "other"Jan 20 09:33
Techrights-sec The error check will be a challenge sinceJan 20 09:45
Techrights-secthe automated links are gathered in parallel.              Jan 20 09:45
Techrights-secWorked out a trick that functions in POSIX shell.  Jan 20 09:45
Techrights-sec wait has to have the PIDs of Jan 20 09:51
Techrights-secthe background processes in order to return the overall succes or failure.Jan 20 09:51
Techrights-secIn POSIX an array can't be used but a string built up of the PIDs works.Jan 20 09:51
Techrights-secNot quite.  Still working. Jan 20 09:51
schestowitz-TROK, no hurry. Assuming other links and the manual (top) part have not been extended since the first/initial upload, I can disregard these when retrieving the latest uploadJan 20 09:54
Techrights-secCorrectJan 20 09:54
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Techrights-secOk patched now.Jan 20 10:03
schestowitz-TRlately I have managed to do 3 batches of Daily Links per say,Jan 20 10:05
schestowitz-TRmaybe to sort of make up for the lack of stories I can produceJan 20 10:05
schestowitz-TRnot only due to the time spent on the piJan 20 10:05
*spazzz is now known as spazzJan 20 10:21
Techrights-secackJan 20 10:37
Techrights-secMichael Giest's feed seems to have disappearedJan 20 10:37
Techrights-sec^GeistJan 20 10:37
schestowitz-TRso he JoinedTheClub(R)Jan 20 10:37
schestowitz-TRthe rely-on-some-selfish-company-to-know-what-i-say clubJan 20 10:38
Techrights-secalso his lastest post on his actual web site is from mid DecemberJan 20 10:38
Techrights-secI'll comment out his feed for now.  Jan 20 10:38
schestowitz-TRa bit less important, but... back around 2009 he was a superstar in his area of practice/law, and was often invited as an expert internationallyJan 20 10:39
schestowitz-TReven billBC would give him spaceJan 20 10:39
schestowitz-TRother papers tooJan 20 10:39
schestowitz-TRthen he sort of vanished, almost..Jan 20 10:39
schestowitz-TRwhen I got back to his site I found little remnants of what used to beJan 20 10:40
schestowitz-TRthere are some EU politicians who msimilarly vanishedJan 20 10:40
schestowitz-TRtechdirt used to be super-active in this  areaJan 20 10:40
schestowitz-TRbut techdirt changed focus and topics a great dealJan 20 10:40
schestowitz-TRsometimes it's like salon.comJan 20 10:40
schestowitzhttps://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA134-HB-441Jan 20 10:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.legislature.ohio.gov | House Bill 441 | The Ohio LegislatureJan 20 10:42
schestowitz"We can’t connect to the server at www.legislature.ohio.gov."Jan 20 10:42
schestowitz-TRthe server can access it, I cannotJan 20 10:43
Techrights-secI probably should check techdirt from time to time again.Jan 20 10:44
Techrights-secblocked in the UK?  What about a proxy?Jan 20 10:44
Techrights-secblocked in the UK?  What about a proxy?Jan 20 10:45
Techrights-secUK is not EU :P  Seriously though it is likely blocked for EuropeJan 20 10:45
schestowitz-TRmaybe not mblocked IN the UKJan 20 10:45
schestowitz-TRmaybe they block EUJan 20 10:45
Techrights-secI'm getting a DNS error via the normal route.  Jan 20 10:47
schestowitz-TRso my guess is,Jan 20 10:49
schestowitz-TRsome American DNS servers have an entry for the subsiteJan 20 10:49
schestowitz-TRwhereas some of the European ones lack itJan 20 10:49
schestowitz-TRbut that does not make senseJan 20 10:49
schestowitz-TRDNS does not propagandta like thisJan 20 10:49
schestowitz-TRunless you are somewhere like IranJan 20 10:49
schestowitz-TR*propagateJan 20 10:49
Techrights-secThe net is being balkanized on purpose.  The Internet is too dangerous for theJan 20 10:52
Techrights-secworld's oligarchies.  Notice also the trend not to name The Internet any moreJan 20 10:52
Techrights-secby many, but instead refer to the internet, which is a subset or even unrelatedJan 20 10:52
Techrights-secto The Internet.              Jan 20 10:52
schestowitz-TRackJan 20 10:52
schestowitz-TRon another topic, raspi based on debian 11 does not let me disable screen dim-down (blink they call it iirc) without a reboot. why? is this windows?Jan 20 10:53
Techrights-secGMail doesn't even communicate properly (or at all) with all other mail providersJan 20 10:53
Techrights-secgmail sounds like emailJan 20 10:54
Techrights-seci should refer to it as gulagmailJan 20 10:54
schestowitz-TRgmail sounds like emailJan 20 10:54
schestowitz-TRi should refer to it as gulagmailJan 20 10:54
schestowitz-TRinside the gulag, you msy or may not receive your mail. The ward decides...Jan 20 10:54
Techrights-secyep, and they seem to be working to cut out other providers in the processJan 20 10:58
schestowitz-TRthe latest of many (that I saw) to moan about it was Sandler of SFCJan 20 10:58
schestowitz-TRfor over 10 years bellsouth has blocked my mail relayJan 20 10:59
schestowitz-TRno idea whyJan 20 10:59
schestowitz-TRit's the on;y such domain that I know ofJan 20 10:59
schestowitz-TRthis caused me a lot of problems; lost mail, offended relatives in FLJan 20 10:59
Techrights-secI'm starting to notice with various communications.  It is not consistent    Jan 20 11:01
Techrights-secacross the service but varies from account to account on both ends.Jan 20 11:01
schestowitz-TRi still lack topic ideas for articles/videosJan 20 11:18
schestowitz-TR:(Jan 20 11:18
Techrights-secthinkingJan 20 11:23
Techrights-secmore generally, the above problem of balkanization is caused and enabled by aJan 20 11:23
Techrights-secthe current move away from open standards.  I bet a case could be made for eachJan 20 11:23
Techrights-secof the large tech companies that they have each been trying EEE in different Jan 20 11:23
Techrights-secmarkets, the ones where they may be large enough to capture the whole thing.Jan 20 11:23
Techrights-secAmazon is very non-standard, as are the other "cloud" providers.  It's hardJan 20 11:23
Techrights-secto call them hosting providers since they have so many proprietary hoops toJan 20 11:23
Techrights-secjump through just to get at a shell prompt.  Jan 20 11:23
schestowitz-TRamazon is censorship of vendorsJan 20 11:24
schestowitz-TRalong with ebay etc.Jan 20 11:24
schestowitz-TRthe lawyers prefer it that wayJan 20 11:24
schestowitz-TRfor the "brand owners"Jan 20 11:24
schestowitz-TRrant: with some exceptipons such as cory d, eff increasingly soundsJan 20 11:25
schestowitz-TRlike microsoft apologist if not mircrosoft itserlfJan 20 11:25
schestowitz-TRthey even use the same terms nowJan 20 11:26
schestowitzhttps://thenewstack.io/roasting-the-consumer-electronics-shows-worst-products/Jan 20 11:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thenewstack.io | Roasting the Consumer Electronics Show’s ‘Worst’ Products – The New StackJan 20 11:27
schestowitz-TRzoomJan 20 11:28
Techrights-secYes, the EFF has been that way for a while.  I wonder if Cory can have any Jan 20 11:28
Techrights-seceffect there.  I'm not sure how the m$ apologists got in but they're thereJan 20 11:28
Techrights-secspouting all the m$ talking points. e.g. "Meet people where they are" ratherJan 20 11:28
Techrights-secthan steering the public to potentially more secure options than m$Jan 20 11:28
schestowitz-TReff in a nutshell:Jan 20 11:33
schestowitz-TRgeek: i always get upset about computing getting all hostileJan 20 11:33
schestowitz-TRmanagement: yes, it always upsets me when the apple store [something something]Jan 20 11:33
schestowitz-TRalso eff:Jan 20 11:33
schestowitz-TRactivist: the plutocrats are trying to silence journaliustsJan 20 11:33
schestowitz-TReff plants: yes, putin mouthpiece assange needs to be gaggedJan 20 11:33
Techrights-secackJan 20 11:33
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Techrights-secI hope Cory is not just a token freedom proponent for the microsofters  toJan 20 11:39
Techrights-sechide behindJan 20 11:39
schestowitz-TRyou hope, but you've just dubbed what he is to them, like others before himJan 20 11:39
schestowitz-TRGuardian has many "tokens"Jan 20 11:39
Techrights-secYes I've noticedJan 20 11:39
schestowitz-TRafaik, vera, daniel, alex and another patent person whose name I forgotJan 20 11:42
schestowitz-TRwere gone the moment mark cuban was not paying fsfJan 20 11:42
schestowitz-TRto advvance his agenda against "bad patents"Jan 20 11:42
schestowitz-TRsome moved to a think called "engine'Jan 20 11:42
schestowitz-TRsome were in ppatentprogress (CCIA)Jan 20 11:42
schestowitz-TRwhich feels defunctJan 20 11:42
schestowitz-TRr streee institute (paul iirc) was scooped into something elseJan 20 11:42
schestowitz-TRso when looking at my rss feeds there is little left bbyJan 20 11:42
schestowitz-TRspam from law firms percolating via the parent companyJan 20 11:42
schestowitz-TRof IAMJan 20 11:42
schestowitz-TR*I meant eff, not fsfJan 20 11:42
Techrights-secYes 'bad' patents are a distractionJan 20 11:43
Techrights-secapropos standards and breaking open standards: Jan 20 11:43
Techrights-sechttps://social.chinwag.org/@mike/107651459435080448Jan 20 11:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-social.chinwag.org | Mike, First of His Name: "I've been dreading this moment. https://www.andr…" - Chinwag SocialJan 20 11:43
Techrights-secackJan 20 11:47
Techrights-secfarming the populace's "emitted behaviors"Jan 20 11:53
schestowitz-TRno need to even directly 'monetise' it when the US gov takes 10 trillion in loans in 3 years and pumps it into the bank accounts of (mostly) the rich Jan 20 11:54
schestowitz-TRI checked again the latest numbers this morningJan 20 11:54
schestowitz-TRbankrupting the nation like the Soviet ArmyJan 20 11:54
Techrights-secackJan 20 12:02
schestowitz-TRtesla: we make almost a profit (same for Uber), the media is on our side (greenwashing), we have tons of competition from "old" car companies (they do evolve), but we are worth [sum] and based on this speculative value our NON-founder (faker) is worth [sum], so celebrate, peasants!Jan 20 12:03
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schestowitz-TRgot one topic: zdnetJan 20 14:58
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Techrights-secwhat aspect of zdnetJan 20 15:16
schestowitz-TRits demiseJan 20 15:16
schestowitz-TRalbeit the same can be said of many sitesJan 20 15:16
Techrights-secackJan 20 15:16
schestowitz-TRi will shill gemini as an altJan 20 15:17
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schestowitzhttps://www.fosslife.org/mimic-other-desktops-zorin-osJan 20 18:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fosslife.org | Mimic Other Desktops with Zorin OSJan 20 18:53
schestowitz"Jan 20 18:53
schestowitzThe Zorin OS Appearance tool lets you mimic the desktop layout of proprietary operating systems, says Bruce Byfield, which can be appealing for various reasons including helping newcomers become familiar with Linux.Jan 20 18:53
schestowitzSome distros offer desktop environments that imitate proprietary ones, but Zorin OS offers several desktop layouts that resemble those from proprietary systems as well as mobile touchscreens.Jan 20 18:53
schestowitz"Jan 20 18:53
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schestowitz-TRfor the first time since 2 winters ago we reopened the coffee machineJan 20 21:34
schestowitz-TRit takes a while to brew, but it feels more rewarding Jan 20 21:34
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