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| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social | Jan 21 01:07 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | just woke up | Jan 21 07:09 |
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| schestowitz-TR | restarted apache at techrights | Jan 21 07:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | investigating why nsite was down | Jan 21 07:09 |
| Techrights-sec | Some mention of software patents again at OIN via SN. | Jan 21 07:09 |
| Techrights-sec | maintenance; eta ~ 30 min | Jan 21 07:09 |
| Techrights-sec | done | Jan 21 07:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | turns out | Jan 21 07:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | that the downtime was about 30 mins | Jan 21 07:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | if that happens again | Jan 21 07:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | httpd stop | Jan 21 07:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | then start | Jan 21 07:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | seems to resolved the issue | Jan 21 07:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | it happened in the very distant past, maybe 2 years ago | Jan 21 07:17 |
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| Techrights-sec | I will log in and check the logs too. | Jan 21 08:03 |
| Techrights-sec | $ uptime | Jan 21 08:03 |
| Techrights-sec | 07:59:57 up 16 days, 23:24, 2 users, load average: 3.69, 4.73, 8.95 | Jan 21 08:03 |
| Techrights-sec | These are somewhat suspicious: | Jan 21 08:03 |
| Techrights-sec | [Fri Jan 21 07:55:19.286360 2022] [proxy_fcgi:error] [pid 14172:tid 1402989737920 | Jan 21 08:03 |
| Techrights-sec | 00] [client 81.152.238.64:45176] AH01068: Got bogus version 101 | Jan 21 08:03 |
| Techrights-sec | [Fri Jan 21 07:57:02.299727 2022] [cgi:error] [pid 14092:tid 140299218614016] [cl | Jan 21 08:03 |
| Techrights-sec | ient 103.102.69.80:58225] script not found or unable to stat: /var/www/cgi-bin/we | Jan 21 08:03 |
| Techrights-sec | bscr, referer: http://techrights.org/donate/ | Jan 21 08:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Donate | Techrights | Jan 21 08:03 | |
| Techrights-sec | from /var/log/httpd/techrights.org-error_log | Jan 21 08:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | if these are never seen before, then maybe... I think around 6:30 my time, based | Jan 21 08:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | on the emails we got, the site became not available | Jan 21 08:04 |
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| Techrights-sec | I think they're probably unrelated but something that probably ought to be fixed | Jan 21 08:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | this sort of issue last happened in 2020 iirc, maybe 2019 | Jan 21 08:22 |
| Techrights-sec | I think they're probably unrelated but something that probably ought to be fixed | Jan 21 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | The logs only go back a short while: | Jan 21 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | # journalctl -u httpd | head -n3 | Jan 21 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | -- Logs begin at Thu 2022-01-20 00:50:39 UTC, end at Fri 2022-01-21 08:23:08 UTC. | Jan 21 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | -- | Jan 21 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | Jan 21 07:07:01 techrights systemd[1]: Stopping The Apache HTTP Server... | Jan 21 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | Jan 21 07:08:31 techrights systemd[1]: httpd.service stop-sigterm timed out. Kill | Jan 21 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec | ing. | Jan 21 08:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | it did feel like it had timed out or hung | Jan 21 08:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the past we had a cron job to restart apache in case of issues, very distant past, I think you wrote that code in 2013 | Jan 21 08:25 |
| Techrights-sec | looking at other logs ... | Jan 21 08:26 |
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| Techrights-sec | there's a lot which can be done to quiet the logs, once there is a proper OS | Jan 21 08:29 |
| Techrights-sec | upgrade | Jan 21 08:29 |
| Techrights-sec | Check /var/log/messages around 06:00:01 | Jan 21 08:29 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Jan 21 08:32 |
| Techrights-sec | ok, i can see systemd spawning lots of crap | Jan 21 08:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | checking | Jan 21 08:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, i can see systemd spawning lots of crap | Jan 21 08:32 |
| Techrights-sec | Check /var/log/messages around 06:00:01 and 06:30:01, prbobably a cron job | Jan 21 08:33 |
| Techrights-sec | not sure if it is related | Jan 21 08:33 |
| Techrights-sec | There are also these which are curious: | Jan 21 08:33 |
| Techrights-sec | Jan 21 06:59:56 techrights journal: Suppressed 524 messages from /system.slice/po | Jan 21 08:33 |
| Techrights-sec | stfix.service | Jan 21 08:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, it looks the ccapsule is not updating with new articlkes | Jan 21 08:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | have not yet looked into it | Jan 21 08:38 |
| Techrights-sec | The last response seems to be at 06:05:48 | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | - - - [21/Jan/2022:06:05:48 +0000] "GET /videos/six-gemini-clients.webm HTTP/1.1" | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | 206 42004750 "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTM | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | L, like Gecko) Chrome/70.0.3538.54 Safari/537.36" | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | - - - [21/Jan/2022:07:08:37 +0000] "GET /wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Techrights-pi | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | llars.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 11240 "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/97.0.4692.71 Safari/537.36" | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | but the error log continues onward after that | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | ok I'll look at Gemini now | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | the connectivity to the rpi is very slow | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | Failed feed for 'http://techrights.org/feed/' | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | Could not find feed at URL: "http://techrights.org/feed/" | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | $ wget http://techrights.org/feed/ | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | --2022-01-21 08:52:31-- http://techrights.org/feed/ | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | Resolving techrights.org (techrights.org)... 23.161.112.116 | Jan 21 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrights.org/feed/ ) | Jan 21 08:56 | |
| Techrights-sec | Connecting to techrights.org (techrights.org)|23.161.112.116|:80... connected. | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | ... | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | TR seems unreachable from the RPi, the Gemini script has been trying for over | Jan 21 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | 10 minutes to reach it via HTTP and retrieve an uncorrupted feed file. | Jan 21 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh wait | Jan 21 08:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | site is down again | Jan 21 08:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | restarting apache | Jan 21 08:59 |
| Techrights-sec | still unresponsive via HTTP from the RPi | Jan 21 09:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | did you run something also? now systemd gets all fussy about apache | Jan 21 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec | Connecting to techrights.org (techrights.org)|23.161.112.116|:80... failed: Conne | Jan 21 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec | ction refused. | Jan 21 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec | nope | Jan 21 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec | just watching the system logs | Jan 21 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec | Jan 21 09:00:11 techrights systemd[1]: Unit httpd.se | Jan 21 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | rvice entered failed state. | Jan 21 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | Jan 21 09:00:11 techrights systemd[1]: Unit httpd.service entered failed state. | Jan 21 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | Jan 21 09:00:11 techrights systemd[1]: httpd.service failed. | Jan 21 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | the gemini script tries 10 times to get a feed and then fails. :/ | Jan 21 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | site back online and working | Jan 21 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think your tests encountered a different kind of issue | Jan 21 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | due to site being offline | Jan 21 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec | Something like that happens enough for retries to have been added to the | Jan 21 09:05 |
| Techrights-sec | scripts. | Jan 21 09:05 |
| Techrights-sec | The httpd configuration files need polishing and refactoring. | Jan 21 09:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are rather old | Jan 21 09:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | wait, I think I see a pattern now | Jan 21 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | many requests for very loaded pages | Jan 21 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe gaming up the capacity | Jan 21 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh, never mind, I misread that | Jan 21 09:08 |
| Techrights-sec | The warnings | Jan 21 09:09 |
| Techrights-sec | indicate that they won't work in future versions as they currently are. | Jan 21 09:09 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 21 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | in future OS kaniini wishes to move away from apache completely | Jan 21 09:09 |
| Techrights-sec | towards? | Jan 21 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | cannot remember | Jan 21 09:10 |
| Techrights-sec | nginx ? OpenBSD's httpd? | Jan 21 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec | Moving away from Apache2 is probably a good move, it has gotten too bloated. | Jan 21 09:13 |
| Techrights-sec | Nginx has also bloated | Jan 21 09:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | its founder has just quit | Jan 21 09:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | (f5) | Jan 21 09:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | apache's founder now works for zemlin | Jan 21 09:13 |
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| Techrights-sec | nothing in the journalctl logs regarding the last freeze | Jan 21 09:27 |
| Techrights-sec | Jan 21 07:08:37 techrights systemd[1]: Started The Apache HTTP Server. | Jan 21 09:27 |
| Techrights-sec | Jan 21 08:58:41 techrights systemd[1]: Stopping The Apache HTTP Server... | Jan 21 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, those are me | Jan 21 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | re gemini, the capsule is up to date again | Jan 21 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | we need to watch closely apache today as I cannot recall such | Jan 21 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | issues in years and it happened twice in 3 hours | Jan 21 09:27 |
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| Techrights-sec | gemini-cron-updater.sh finally ran to completion successfully, | Jan 21 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | connectivity seems to be a severe problem | Jan 21 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | Connecting to techrights.org (techrights.org)|23.161.112.116|:80... failed: Conne | Jan 21 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | ction refused. | Jan 21 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | was that when apache was down | Jan 21 09:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | seems unrelated to thr trraffic shaping policy | Jan 21 09:47 |
| Techrights-sec | some of it was while Apache was down. | Jan 21 10:03 |
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| schestowitz-TR | ok, so that clarifies it better | Jan 21 10:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | this past week or since Monday we had harder times | Jan 21 10:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I think these are the tests (like ddos, threats, slap) | Jan 21 10:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | that make or break or set apart sites that can stay standing | Jan 21 10:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | for decadea dnd those that cannopt | Jan 21 10:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have spoken a lot lately with the last editor of | Jan 21 10:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | linux journal, who is a fan of tuxmachines and contributes | Jan 21 10:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | to it | Jan 21 10:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | a lot of "proper" reporting sites are gone and maybe | Jan 21 10:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | the sole upside is that more of the people who whispered to | Jan 21 10:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | them are now whispering to us instead with tips and leads | Jan 21 10:05 |
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| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 21 10:11 |
| Techrights-sec | There would be inconvenience in upgrading but I think the net result would be | Jan 21 10:11 |
| Techrights-sec | lower maintenance. | Jan 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes I wonder if the publication style and format can be altered to make wordpress obsolete, seeing how the pattern of news changes over time, with barely any journalism left at least in the covered areas (patents etc.) | Jan 21 10:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think a radically new approach of some kind is needed | Jan 21 10:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | and one which does not rely on "social" media of gulagtube etc. | Jan 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh, also gulagnews | Jan 21 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is becoming so noisy and the "signal" is relatively low quality | Jan 21 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | compared to 2005-2010 | Jan 21 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | like, what's the point linking to some law firms's pure BS even | Jan 21 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you respond to them? | Jan 21 10:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | On UPC it is 100% BS, 0% actual jopurnalism | Jan 21 10:14 |
| Techrights-sec | Google news is more spam and propaganda than info. | Jan 21 10:15 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, but many in the so-called business sector worship BS and admire | Jan 21 10:19 |
| Techrights-sec | a successful grift more than anything of substance. | Jan 21 10:19 |
| Techrights-sec | :( | Jan 21 10:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, but "every littkle" we can do to push back against it matters a lot | Jan 21 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think RMS said something to that effect too last yuear | Jan 21 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, in re the clown | Jan 21 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | just because we donm't win the war doesn't mean we should stop the small battles | Jan 21 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | or, as my dad puts it, every littlew activism can "slow down" the harms | Jan 21 10:22 |
| Techrights-sec | agreed; yes he has repeated that theme occasionally | Jan 21 10:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | upc was 'supposed' to have come in 2015, but we keep kicking that aside and RMS too is involved behind the curtains | Jan 21 10:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh, btw, as a reminder, groklaw 'shut down' in 2013, but News Picks was last updated in 2014 | Jan 21 10:25 |
| activelow | theft and plundering doesn't require a patent curt anyway | Jan 21 10:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | because PJ added a pick about Alice, SCOTUS 2014 | Jan 21 10:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | a major breakthrough | Jan 21 10:25 |
| activelow | theft and fraud remain what they are, with or without patent claims involved | Jan 21 10:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | true | Jan 21 10:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that is an extra tool for 'legitimising' the theft | Jan 21 10:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | like making 150 euros from each german for 3 doses | Jan 21 10:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | which cost like 50 cents to produce and distribute | Jan 21 10:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | the nurse that administers the "juice" costs more than the "juice" | Jan 21 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | because of the hourly rate. Maybe they can do, at most, 10 people per hour | Jan 21 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then they wonder why so many workers resign | Jan 21 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | they get paid like 10% of what the dose is charged for | Jan 21 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the dose costs almost nothing to mae | Jan 21 10:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | what does that make the nurse? | Jan 21 10:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | a little corporate slave of a patent cabal? | Jan 21 10:29 |
| activelow | just, sometimes, i feel as if some of the opposition to patents is motivated by the same mindset which supports it: fraud and theft | Jan 21 10:30 |
| activelow | removal of a GPL or BSD license header is equally terrible | Jan 21 10:30 |
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| schestowitz-TR | i have just had to give apache a kick again. first around 6:30am, then around 8:5 | Jan 21 10:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | 0 iirc, now it's 10:40 ish | Jan 21 10:47 |
| Techrights-sec | I suppose I should turn on monitoring here. Hardware is all different so I'll | Jan 21 10:49 |
| Techrights-sec | have to re-script things | Jan 21 10:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | we also have some existing script somewhere to start apache again if the site cannot be reached over default port for http | Jan 21 10:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | of note, but probbaly not important: | Jan 21 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | about 5 days ago, for the first time in months | Jan 21 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | tuxmachines needed the script that restarts apache | Jan 21 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | and restricts access via htaccess | Jan 21 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | that became needed again 2 days later | Jan 21 10:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then last night | Jan 21 10:51 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 21 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | rant: ages ago I followed https://www.rdwolff.com/feed but some time along the way these "wise men" decided that they should instead rely on Twitter and Facebook to manage their audience | Jan 21 11:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.rdwolff.com/feed ) | Jan 21 11:25 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | have quickly written a short monitoring script taking into account the | Jan 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | different hardware arrangement on this end | Jan 21 11:41 |
| Techrights-sec | have quickly written a short monitoring script taking into account the | Jan 21 11:41 |
| Techrights-sec | different hardware arrangement on this end | Jan 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | it'll be interesting to see if there's a time pattern, like every 2 hours. I watch tmux more closely now and generally speaking it seems like an issue we can tackle by day's end. at least gemini works perfectly except the logging/stats | Jan 21 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | ths afternoon/eve (4pm) I go shopping for food, it'll be my exercise | Jan 21 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | aim it to haul over 20KG of things, but that's wishful unless you count | Jan 21 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | liquids | Jan 21 11:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am doing a quick blog post about COVID right now | Jan 21 11:53 |
| Techrights-sec | A frined here has fallen for a lot of disinformation via Facebook. | Jan 21 11:55 |
| Techrights-sec | It is troublesome how many are in denial about social contol media's real | Jan 21 11:55 |
| Techrights-sec | nature despite the fact they see the filtering and sorting of messages | Jan 21 11:55 |
| Techrights-sec | according to algorthms and not according to time sent. | Jan 21 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | x https://wallstrt24.com/2022/01/20/open-source-services-market-report-covers-future-trends-with-research-2022-2029-accenture-wipro/ | Jan 21 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wallstrt24.com | Open Source Services Market Report Covers Future Trends with Research 2022-2029 | Accenture, Wipro – Wall Street 24 | Jan 21 12:13 | |
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| Techrights-sec | TR down | Jan 21 15:00 |
| Techrights-sec | systemd does not seem to restart httpd properly | Jan 21 15:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I was recording a video | Jan 21 15:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | seems like you fixed it. Yes, systemd can act funny but at the end it does restart. | Jan 21 15:01 |
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| Techrights-sec | I've lost track, which script creates /home/gemini/gemini/chat/index.gmi | Jan 21 15:38 |
| Techrights-sec | it's not located in ~gemin/bin/ and the file is fetch from TR | Jan 21 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it is part of the watcher, which also generated the latest logs (number of requests per day). | Jan 21 15:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | right now it gets nothing from the daily log file, but that's faaaar from criticial | Jan 21 15:39 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | back in about an hour | Jan 21 15:55 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | going to hunt for food on the cheap | Jan 21 15:55 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | my main pc is transcoding a 50-min video | Jan 21 15:55 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | siite was down for about 1.5 hours after I had left but it came back online just | Jan 21 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | fine when I got back though I wonder what to do at night, maybe keep a small lapt | Jan 21 18:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | opm nemar me | Jan 21 18:06 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 21 18:06 |
| Techrights-sec | what??? | Jan 21 18:06 |
| Techrights-sec | My script here failed to detect the down time. :( More adjustments needed. | Jan 21 18:06 |
| Techrights-sec | The logs show that it was active through the last hours. ?? | Jan 21 18:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | first I saw apachetop and then monsastic email | Jan 21 18:10 |
| Techrights-sec | The error log was active the whole time, srtangely. | Jan 21 18:11 |
| Techrights-sec | So some aspect of it was hanging until restart at 1755 | Jan 21 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i am just happy yo be healthy and with lots of new food | Jan 21 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the site did not lose any data, same for gemini and ipfs, we just lose some uptim | Jan 21 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | e and time | Jan 21 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | been a tough week, better days ahead | Jan 21 18:13 |
| Techrights-sec | # httpd -V 2>/dev/null | grep ^Server | Jan 21 18:13 |
| Techrights-sec | xxxxx | Jan 21 18:13 |
| Techrights-sec | Server compiled with.... | Jan 21 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ssomeone has just donated 10 pounds to tuxmachines | Jan 21 18:17 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | Jan 21 18:17 |
| Techrights-sec | congrats | Jan 21 18:17 |
| Techrights-sec | maybe patreon and strip accounts would make that easier? | Jan 21 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it would make me feel indebted an stressed IF that was to happen, rianne thinks | Jan 21 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | she says, unlike larabel and liam dawe, we don't 'owe' anything and that lowers the anxiety/stress | Jan 21 18:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but maybe if we quit or lose our job | Jan 21 18:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | btw, when the site was down I noticed that the script with alaerm for site | Jan 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | now available -- the one that shows and updates the stats | Jan 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it tries to make a blink on the colour LEDs | Jan 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but it is looking for a python script that does not exist in the same location | Jan 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as in Debian 10 | Jan 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I did not take note, but it's some python3 something under /usr/bin/ or something | Jan 21 18:23 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 21 18:23 |
| Techrights-sec | probably something that was under /usr/local/bin/ on the old microSD card, | Jan 21 18:23 |
| Techrights-sec | what name is it looking for ? | Jan 21 18:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | checking... | Jan 21 18:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | oh, it goes to gemini-ping-rot.sh | Jan 21 18:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in turn, this looks for run-blinky.py without path specified | Jan 21 18:25 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | PATH above does not cover it | Jan 21 18:25 |
| Techrights-sec | run-blinkt.py is on the Gemini rpi | Jan 21 18:27 |
| Techrights-sec | but not yet restored to /usr/local/bin/ | Jan 21 18:27 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Jan 21 18:27 |
| Techrights-sec | That /should/ work with run-blinkt.py in ~gemini/bin/ but /usr/local/bin/ would | Jan 21 18:27 |
| Techrights-sec | be good too | Jan 21 18:27 |
| Techrights-sec | testing ... | Jan 21 18:27 |
| Techrights-sec | group permissin problem gemini needs to be in the gpio group IIRC | Jan 21 18:27 |
| Techrights-sec | gpasswd -a gemini gpio | Jan 21 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | /home/gemini/bin $ sudo gpasswd -a gemini gpio | Jan 21 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Adding user gemini to group gpio | Jan 21 18:28 |
| schestowitz | timeout 9 run-blinkt.py flashed_bar 250 128 128 0.0001 | Jan 21 18:29 |
| schestowitz | timeout: failed to run command ‘run-blinkt.py’: No such file or directory | Jan 21 18:29 |
| Techrights-sec | ok then log out from gemini account and back in for th changes to take effect | Jan 21 18:29 |
| Techrights-sec | seems to work from within the gemini account, did you see LEDs? | Jan 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | yes, I saw LEDs on | Jan 21 18:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but when I run it localoly I ge..... oh, wait | Jan 21 18:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I know why | Jan 21 18:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | my bad | Jan 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I run the command directly without PATH | Jan 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so this is solved | Jan 21 18:32 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | iranne just finished work and is watching all the items I bought individually | Jan 21 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | she will bring tuxmachines up to date, I need to work on Andy's series | Jan 21 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will watch apachetop etc. just to ensure uptime | Jan 21 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | s// watching/washing/ | Jan 21 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | too many people in large stores like aldi, so I go to small local ones inastead | Jan 21 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | people are either careful or totally creless | Jan 21 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | some business we used to walk past have shut down permanently | Jan 21 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not a pretty site when they start breaking walls, wires hanging etc. | Jan 21 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec | excellent; I will watch but the parts I was paying attention to were not | Jan 21 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec | acting up, the error log seemed ot run fine | Jan 21 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec | yes businesses have been shutting down left and right but that is not new here | Jan 21 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec | with the pandemic but a problem for over a decade | Jan 21 18:36 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | those issues have equivalents in the digital realms and tie into the | Jan 21 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Neo-Luddite misframing that Andy speaks of | Jan 21 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as local stores suffer much of the same fate we have in "digital" | Jan 21 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but those are not directly tech-riughts issues | Jan 21 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (fridge and freezxer turned from empty to "too full" :-) back with coffee now | Jan 21 19:26 |
| Techrights-sec | Rights in general are on the rocks. They are weakened or not enforced in | Jan 21 19:27 |
| Techrights-sec | the digital realm and then that carries back to the real world. | Jan 21 19:27 |
| Techrights-sec | Apparently it is hard to buy kitchen appliances that are *not* connecting to | Jan 21 19:27 |
| Techrights-sec | the Internet via wifi. | Jan 21 19:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I know little about these | Jan 21 19:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we bought a second small oven | Jan 21 19:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | after the main one became not reliable in two strange ways | Jan 21 19:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's all analogue and mechanical | Jan 21 19:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so I have little understanding of 'ssmrt" kitchen | Jan 21 19:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and therefore cannot write meaningful things on the mmatter | Jan 21 19:29 |
| Techrights-sec | Was it the oven or the house wiring which is unreliable? | Jan 21 19:30 |
| Techrights-sec | Last time we bought a kitchen appliance, a few years ago, many inflicted wifi | Jan 21 19:30 |
| Techrights-sec | on you. It was hard to find a model without it. From conversations, it seems | Jan 21 19:30 |
| Techrights-sec | that it have become even more difficult to find a secure household appliance. | Jan 21 19:30 |
| Techrights-sec | Secure, as in no network, not even bluetooth networking. | Jan 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I never saw one | Jan 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as I said, I'm not "into" those things | Jan 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the "old" oven might be OK | Jan 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but the outages are too risky | Jan 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's still there, still working in principle | Jan 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but the smaller one is neater | Jan 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as for alternatives to "spy" kutchen | Jan 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we can raise demand, collectively as a society, for dumb ones | Jan 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | then, the market will exist and even thrive | Jan 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we might need to choose the right word | Jan 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "spy" kitchen is catchy | Jan 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'm sure others said it before | Jan 21 19:32 |
| Techrights-sec | Or being more paranoid, they exist to provide a foothold inside the WLAN from | Jan 21 19:35 |
| Techrights-sec | which to "move laterally" into the other devices. | Jan 21 19:35 |
| Techrights-sec | home appliances might be another series. However I know nothing about the details | Jan 21 19:35 |
| Techrights-sec | of the current market. | Jan 21 19:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | mind you, series like the one about cars is very handy | Jan 21 19:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like the windows-in-hospital thing | Jan 21 19:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I used these repeatedly as a landing point | Jan 21 19:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it would be good if we had one for "smart" applicnace, but the only "smart" thing | Jan 21 19:35 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | s I have are general-purposes PCs | Jan 21 19:35 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, I've noticed the silence. It is worrisome. | Jan 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | don't want to be sound like opportunistic basher | Jan 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but notice how rms at gnu.org andf fsf barely say a thing about it | Jan 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | afaik, evewn libreplanet does not have talks on these issues | Jan 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but... one gnu project talks about the issue wiuth smart meters | Jan 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and attempts to make free software alternative/s to them | Jan 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | unpopular opinion: i think a 'free' alternative to smart meters | Jan 21 19:39 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | is the wrong thing | Jan 21 19:39 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like RMS said about making otheer facebooks | Jan 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | because those meters don't serve much of a purpose | Jan 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no more than "self-checkout" at stores | Jan 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | today I rejected all these machines | Jan 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | also, the man from the energy company came to check the meters | Jan 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | turns o out even when you give them readings yourleslf | Jan 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they still send out these ppeople to check you don't cheat | Jan 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so wtf??? | Jan 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we pay like 50 pounds extrta per year to not deal with this garbage | Jan 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you might say, but this man who knocked oin the door this afternoon is covid vect | Jan 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or | Jan 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | first of all, we protect his job | Jan 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he's about 60 | Jan 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | second, I keep huige distance from him while guiding him where t find the meter | Jan 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | than we wash the floor, which we planned to do regardless | Jan 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | this only happens a few times per year | Jan 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and I don't need to learn web sites and usernames and passwords | Jan 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and "apps" | Jan 21 19:42 |
| Techrights-sec | At this point the markets are not growing into new areas, they are consolidating | Jan 21 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec | and thus creating FOSS alternatives or even pushing established FOSS originals | Jan 21 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec | is insufficient. It is needed now to get the corporate executives to see | Jan 21 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec | the monetary and ethical and other value of Freedom. Even with "smart" meters. | Jan 21 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec | so often? | Jan 21 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec | How much do the apps track non-meter related activities? | Jan 21 19:43 |
| Techrights-sec | I expect that they track as much as they can get away with tracking. | Jan 21 19:45 |
| Techrights-sec | The can do that already now because there is no pushback. See above comments | Jan 21 19:45 |
| Techrights-sec | about erosion of exercised rights online. 99.999% of people probably don't | Jan 21 19:45 |
| Techrights-sec | even know that the app is tied to a service and that the service and data are | Jan 21 19:45 |
| Techrights-sec | not on the phone. | Jan 21 19:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i would rephrase that question | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | how much WILL they track | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | because, as usual, all those things are like Trojan horse | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they want the foot in your door first | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and there is no path for 'downgrade' | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ok, maybe we need to write about these issues throughout the year | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I am taking notes | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but the point is, at first they said they needed readings | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | now they say they 'optimise' the usage | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that means, they track your movements around the home | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | next they can add microphones to the meters | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and other sensors | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | to basically profile your in-home behaviour | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | this isn't a theory anymore | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and the data partners are likely the reasons or enablers of the "discounts" | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | same in stores with "loyalty" cars that let them sell a list of puirchases items | Jan 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | e.g. insurance companyy checking what yiu eat | Jan 21 19:48 |
| Techrights-sec | Heck most people I have asked don't know and won't accept that WhatsApp is not | Jan 21 19:49 |
| Techrights-sec | on their phone and that the data is kept in data centers outside the country. | Jan 21 19:49 |
| Techrights-sec | Data == their photos and other communications. | Jan 21 19:49 |
| Techrights-sec | The microphones can be smaller than a sesame seed these days so they are cheap | Jan 21 19:49 |
| Techrights-sec | to add. However although cheap to add, it would still cost something and | Jan 21 19:49 |
| Techrights-sec | the suits are adverse to spending anything. The bigger risk is tying the | Jan 21 19:49 |
| Techrights-sec | devices to fancier microphones like Siri, Alexa, Echo, Google, etc. | Jan 21 19:49 |
| Techrights-sec | those exist already, like smaoke alarms with "alexa" | Jan 21 19:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | those exist already, like smaoke alarms with "alexa" | Jan 21 19:50 |
| SomeH4x0r | really weird. IM by design can't be on one's device | Jan 21 19:50 |
| SomeH4x0r | or any other form of communication | Jan 21 19:50 |
| SomeH4x0r | it is transmitted over some channel | Jan 21 19:50 |
| SomeH4x0r | unless they talk to themselves | Jan 21 19:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it does not need to be centralised | Jan 21 19:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you can do peer to peer | Jan 21 19:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | with encryption, too | Jan 21 19:51 |
| SomeH4x0r | I think WhatsApp stores cached messages | Jan 21 19:51 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.businessinsider.com/scientists-designed-a-smart-toilet-with-butt-recognition-technology-2020-4 | Jan 21 19:52 |
| Techrights-sec | https://mashable.com/article/smart-toilet-analprint-scan | Jan 21 19:52 |
| Techrights-sec | Yep and doorbells tied to them as well as too the various police departments. | Jan 21 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | This Smart Toilet Can Read Your Anus Like a Fingerprint | Jan 21 19:52 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mashable.com | This toilet recognizes your butthole and uploads photos to the cloud | Jan 21 19:52 | |
| SomeH4x0r | so it is *both* on the big server, and a "cached" (as in not reliable) copy on the device | Jan 21 19:52 |
| SomeH4x0r | I have no experience with WhatsApp, but here many people use another program, and it allows editing or removing such messages | Jan 21 19:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | SomeH4x0r: iirc, you are in home of whatapp | Jan 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | its founder | Jan 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | whatever it USED to do | Jan 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you cannot trust "meta" to maintain | Jan 21 19:54 |
| SomeH4x0r | yes | Jan 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | what's more, they already put back doors in whatsapp "encryption | Jan 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and thenm falsely marketed it | Jan 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | same with telegram | Jan 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | this is typical | Jan 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | when microsoft bought skype it changed the topology | Jan 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so everything must go via Microsoft | Jan 21 19:54 |
| SomeH4x0r | I seen many things to be getting worse over time, but the bigger they are, the eviler they are | Jan 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | yes | Jan 21 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you are right in your pessimism | Jan 21 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but too much pessimism can hurt activism too | Jan 21 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we need to go after the bigger issues | Jan 21 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and not expect TOO much | Jan 21 19:56 |
| SomeH4x0r | yes, I'm not sure if there is anything left to do, or I'd better to kill myself in order not to suffer from all this shit each day | Jan 21 19:56 |
| SomeH4x0r | every person *might* be hostile | Jan 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | your parents are at least sober | Jan 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | there's worse than this | Jan 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | some people survive heroin parents, incest etc. | Jan 21 19:57 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 21 19:57 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 21 19:57 |
| SomeH4x0r | but these parents are getting brainwashed by "modern" tech over time | Jan 21 19:57 |
| SomeH4x0r | my parents, I mean | Jan 21 19:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that's part of the monster | Jan 21 19:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's not the parents | Jan 21 19:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but what's brainwashing them | Jan 21 19:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so go after the monster | Jan 21 19:57 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | slay it | Jan 21 19:58 |
| SomeH4x0r | if I murder someone whom I hate, I'm going to get imprisoned and then die in prison | Jan 21 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I have managed to convince my dad to NOT bother with a lot of "modern" so-called 'tech' | Jan 21 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but maybe because I have lots of time with him, almost as much as "mainstream" | Jan 21 19:59 |
| SomeH4x0r | they use social media to earn money, and for entertainment too | Jan 21 20:00 |
| SomeH4x0r | *social control media | Jan 21 20:00 |
| SomeH4x0r | they want me to study programming after I finish school. I don't even completely understand what is programming. | Jan 21 20:03 |
| SomeH4x0r | as I said on #techrights, I tried to learn it, but then I got lost in what to do | Jan 21 20:03 |
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| Techrights-sec | The appliance stores' web sites don't make mention of connectivity but | Jan 21 20:07 |
| Techrights-sec | in various reviews you can pick up circumstantial evidencs such as "manage | Jan 21 20:07 |
| Techrights-sec | your laundry machine via your smartphone". | Jan 21 20:07 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.mieleusa.com/e/miele-mobile-app-zpv000000000000000020007384500-f | Jan 21 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.mieleusa.com | Miele mobile app | Miele | Jan 21 20:07 | |
| Techrights-sec | https://apps.apple.com/us/app/miele-app-smart-home/id930406907 | Jan 21 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apps.apple.com | Miele app – Smart Home on the App Store | Jan 21 20:07 | |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.aeg.co.uk/support/support-articles/laundry/washing-machines/washing-m | Jan 21 20:09 |
| Techrights-sec | achine-and-tumble-dryer-wifi-help/ | Jan 21 20:09 |
| Techrights-sec | https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/my-aeg-care/id1087824977 | Jan 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | lol | Jan 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i can't wait | Jan 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that will improve my life sooooooooo much | Jan 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | what next? | Jan 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | a toilet that tells you when the water refilled up? | Jan 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and sends you a notification? | Jan 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "something happened something happened" (Windows) | Jan 21 20:10 |
| SomeH4x0r | I feel like society is FUBAR and it can only be destroyed at best | Jan 21 20:10 |
| SomeH4x0r | but it is not my fault | Jan 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | https://www.aeg.co.uk/support/support-articles/laundry/washing-machines/washing-machine-and-tumble-dryer-wifi-help/ | Jan 21 20:11 |
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| SomeH4x0r | I mean, I doubt I would be able to do anything to it | Jan 21 20:11 |
| SomeH4x0r | I convinced a person to install GNU/Linux on their device, only to understand later than it has been under attack for years already. Like systemd or whatever. | Jan 21 20:12 |
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| TechrightsBN | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75 | Jan 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | SomeH4x0r: even with systemd it's a lot better than Windows | Jan 21 20:13 |
| SomeH4x0r | and in the end, the most used program on the device is a web browser | Jan 21 20:13 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.geappliances.com/ge/connected-appliances/washer-dryer-laundry.htm | Jan 21 20:13 |
| Techrights-sec | https://apps.apple.com/us/app/comfort-ge-appliances/id1089857433 | Jan 21 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.geappliances.com | GE Smart Washers and Dryers | GE Appliances | Jan 21 20:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apps.apple.com | Comfort - GE Appliances on the App Store | Jan 21 20:13 | |
| SomeH4x0r | and so I realized there is no real escape, and I have to suffer until I die | Jan 21 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | SomeH4x0r: no, there are many life you | Jan 21 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but isolated | Jan 21 20:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *lkike you | Jan 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *like you | Jan 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | social control media exacerbates this | Jan 21 20:15 |
| SomeH4x0r | worsened by certain events which made me distrust many people, like "BLM" (was kicked out certain places and called to be "racist") or COVID-19 stuff where many say I'm retarded or even a threat for others because I don't want to get the "vaccine" | Jan 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as does the marketing 'industry' | Jan 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | making such people feel rejected, inadequate, and linely | Jan 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *lonely | Jan 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | until they buy what they're commanded | Jan 21 20:15 |
| SomeH4x0r | I only use IRC. Seems to be the same. | Jan 21 20:15 |
| SomeH4x0r | the same brainwashed people | Jan 21 20:16 |
| SomeH4x0r | I should socialize less | Jan 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | depends where in IRC | Jan 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's a protocl | Jan 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not a network | Jan 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and not a channel | Jan 21 20:16 |
| Techrights-sec | https://offthebroiler.com/bluetooth-coffee-maker/ | Jan 21 20:17 |
| Techrights-sec | https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3489045 | Jan 21 20:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-offthebroiler.com | The Best Bluetooth Coffee Maker of 2022 - Top Rated & Reviewed | Jan 21 20:17 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-queue.acm.org | The Software Industry IS STILL the Problem - ACM Queue | Jan 21 20:17 | |
| SomeH4x0r | some random networks around the Internet | Jan 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i have an appo for my coffee machine | Jan 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's a button | Jan 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I press it | Jan 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and it starts brewing | Jan 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | press again to stop | Jan 21 20:17 |
| SomeH4x0r | HTCPCP or whatever it was called? | Jan 21 20:19 |
| Techrights-sec | these firware add-ons are transparent means to add marked up costs and to | Jan 21 20:19 |
| Techrights-sec | accelerate technological obsolesence. The software will "wear out" and become | Jan 21 20:19 |
| Techrights-sec | a major liability before even the flimsiest physical component fails. | Jan 21 20:19 |
| Techrights-sec | ^obsolescen | Jan 21 20:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | good point, did not think of it at first | Jan 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | some appliances can otherwise last long | Jan 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | my mom's microowave we have had since I was like 10 | Jan 21 20:20 |
| SomeH4x0r | and how old are you now? | Jan 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | just turned 40 | Jan 21 20:27 |
| Techrights-sec | The bluetooth chips are probably a few cents the microcontroller a few tens | Jan 21 20:27 |
| Techrights-sec | of cents and then the markup up to several orders of magnitude larger. | Jan 21 20:27 |
| Techrights-sec | The marginal cost for reproducing the software is zero, after the intial | Jan 21 20:27 |
| Techrights-sec | design. So you can figure the odds of them spending even a cent on patching | Jan 21 20:27 |
| Techrights-sec | or upgrades once the unit is sold from the factory to the distributors. | Jan 21 20:27 |
| Techrights-sec | I hope the frequencies have not drifted beyond what is blocked by the screen. | Jan 21 20:27 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/tungstenlight-bulb-scandal-1908/ | Jan 21 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com | The Tungsten Light Bulb Scandal of 1908 - New England Historical Society | Jan 21 20:27 | |
| Techrights-sec | http://economicstudents.com/2012/09/planned-obsolescence-the-light-bulb-conspirac | Jan 21 20:27 |
| Techrights-sec | y/ | Jan 21 20:27 |
| Techrights-sec | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel | Jan 21 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-economicstudents.com | Planned Obsolescence: The Light Bulb Conspiracy - Economics Student Society of Australia (ESSA) | Jan 21 20:27 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Phoebus cartel - Wikipedia | Jan 21 20:27 | |
| Techrights-sec | https://academic.oup.com/ojls/article/41/3/719/6130120 | Jan 21 20:41 |
| Techrights-sec | http://www.ejolt.org/2014/10/designed-to-fail/ | Jan 21 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-academic.oup.com | Planned Obsolescence in the Context of a Holistic Legal Sphere and the Circular Economy | Oxford Journal of Legal Studies | Oxford Academic | Jan 21 20:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ejolt.org | Designed to fail | Jan 21 20:41 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i will think of ways to keep up with site issues while asleep, no issue for ~3 hours now | Jan 21 20:42 |
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