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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BigDataWorld3/status/1296923756435300354Aug 22 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BigDataWorld3: @schestowitz Maybe the content of my hello page can be useful for you. https://t.co/nuXsdJ8p1KAug 22 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> bigdata-world.net | What is Python? | BigDataWorldAug 22 01:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DMCANews/status/1296913305353637888Aug 22 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DMCANews: I'm scared to ask... what will we find next! @conservancy - Shame on you. CopyLeft conf... sponsored by M$? I'm tr… https://t.co/tQ4GR5LEUJAug 22 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DMCANews: I'm scared to ask... what will we find next! @conservancy - Shame on you. CopyLeft conf... sponsored by M$? I'm tr… https://t.co/tQ4GR5LEUJAug 22 01:05
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:05
schestowitzI'm scared to ask... what will we find next! Aug 22 01:05
schestowitz@conservancyAug 22 01:05
schestowitz - Shame on you. CopyLeft conf... sponsored by M$? I'm truly disgusted. #linux #gnu #opensource #freesoftwareAug 22 01:05
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DMCANews/status/1296904759245381632Aug 22 01:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DMCANews: so many things to say here... I never applied for respin to sfc for a reason! The volunteerism and cronyism is caus… https://t.co/5H7PnCgNZAAug 22 01:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DMCANews: so many things to say here... I never applied for respin to sfc for a reason! The volunteerism and cronyism is caus… https://t.co/5H7PnCgNZAAug 22 01:06
schestowitzso many things to say here... I never applied for respin to sfc for a reason! The volunteerism and cronyism is cause for concern. Evaluating conference talks. Evaluating applications to be part of the sfc. Obviously I don't want my project at SFC now that I know the truth!!!!""Aug 22 01:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MTotosinha/status/1296863848432119810Aug 22 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MTotosinha: @schestowitz exactly, don't use it!!!!!Aug 22 01:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KipprLiberty/status/1296826120310894592Aug 22 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@KipprLiberty: @schestowitz This #dereckaPurnell ? Nyet https://t.co/OXxSb3LtdCAug 22 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> thefederalist.com | Atlantic Finally Admits Police Abolition Piece Is Based On A False NarrativeAug 22 01:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/theodore_beza/status/1296796641928851460Aug 22 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@theodore_beza: @schestowitz “Discrimination against nonwhites will not be tolerated. Discrimination against whites is fine-as long… https://t.co/4ALVVRtoN0Aug 22 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@theodore_beza: @schestowitz “Discrimination against nonwhites will not be tolerated. Discrimination against whites is fine-as long… https://t.co/4ALVVRtoN0Aug 22 01:07
schestowitz"“Discrimination against nonwhites will not be tolerated. Discrimination against whites is fine-as long as the discrimination is done in the name of nondiscrimination.”"Aug 22 01:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MQGem/status/1296793679290605570Aug 22 01:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MQGem: ♺ @schestowitz: Never too young to start messaging, never too old to play! https://t.co/3PTvQC1WAP #IBMMQ #ScratchXAug 22 01:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> developer.ibm.com | Use the Scratch extension to write an MQ program that sends messages using the IBM MQ REST API – Build Smart. Build Secure. IBM DeveloperAug 22 01:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/joshua14649756/status/1296781045820522496Aug 22 01:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@joshua14649756: @schestowitz They’re desperate to grab / hold the attention of the new generation - just like they’re instagram buy… https://t.co/4hziPXRbSsAug 22 01:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@joshua14649756: @schestowitz They’re desperate to grab / hold the attention of the new generation - just like they’re instagram buy… https://t.co/4hziPXRbSsAug 22 01:08
schestowitz"They’re desperate to grab / hold the attention of the new generation - just like they’re instagram buy that forced users to create Facebook business accounts to stay relevant in the social media market"Aug 22 01:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BarbaraHFlowers/status/1296767405994020864Aug 22 01:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BarbaraHFlowers: @schestowitz Kremlin = Medici FlorenceAug 22 01:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/WulfKhan/status/1296756415172734978Aug 22 01:09
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@WulfKhan: @schestowitz The Microsoft Warrant canary is a puff of yellow feathers.Aug 22 01:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/PrincessBibiRF_/status/1296741493424697344Aug 22 01:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PrincessBibiRF_: @BillGates did say he made a mistake with Epstein sex scandal, what he didn’t know @Dubai Camel Race it was public… https://t.co/VtCAihXdORAug 22 01:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PrincessBibiRF_: @BillGates did say he made a mistake with Epstein sex scandal, what he didn’t know @Dubai Camel Race it was public… https://t.co/VtCAihXdORAug 22 01:10
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:10
schestowitz@BillGatesAug 22 01:10
schestowitz did say he made a mistake with Epstein sex scandal, what he didn’t know @DubaiAug 22 01:10
schestowitz Camel Race it was public how he engaged with 15yearolds as @WarrenBuffetAug 22 01:10
schestowitz ran away from the scenes. How many mistakes doesn’t  @melindagatesAug 22 01:10
schestowitz not know about? @gatesfoundationAug 22 01:10
schestowitz @realDonaldTrumpAug 22 01:10
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/PamMaccabee/status/1296740344399306754Aug 22 01:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PamMaccabee: THE SUPREME COURT is the elephant? Read and vote Buden while demanding #MedicareForAll https://t.co/TU2fcZIYu4Aug 22 01:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #TheNation #DNC ☞ The DNC Refuses to Address the Elephant in the Room https://t.co/Pp8V5vMXtHAug 22 01:10
schestowitzlink?Aug 22 01:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JulieWebgirl/status/1296704873904234497Aug 22 01:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@JulieWebgirl: Dear students, GOOD FOR YOU!! Dear school administrators, SHAME ON YOU!! Dear parents, What the holy fuck is… https://t.co/7OIdbAT4MBAug 22 01:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@JulieWebgirl: Dear students, GOOD FOR YOU!! Dear school administrators, SHAME ON YOU!! Dear parents, What the holy fuck is… https://t.co/7OIdbAT4MBAug 22 01:11
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:11
schestowitzDear students,Aug 22 01:11
schestowitzGOOD FOR YOU!! Aug 22 01:11
schestowitzDear school administrators,Aug 22 01:11
schestowitzSHAME ON YOU!!Aug 22 01:11
schestowitzDear parents,Aug 22 01:11
schestowitzWhat the holy fuck is wrong with you??? They're YOUR CHILDREN!!Aug 22 01:11
schestowitzAnd again, students, you're brave and you rock! Standing up against stupidity.. get used to it.Aug 22 01:11
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Emilinehope/status/1296702215294509057Aug 22 01:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Emilinehope: @schestowitz Wash trump and his GOP our of the White House! https://t.co/GwV620a0YaAug 22 01:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Emilinehope: @schestowitz Wash trump and his GOP our of the White House! https://t.co/GwV620a0YaAug 22 01:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TheJigisUp10/status/1296610642854465536Aug 22 01:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TheJigisUp10: @CatNamus @schestowitz @namelylibertyAug 22 01:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TheJigisUp10/status/1296610549204058114Aug 22 01:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TheJigisUp10: @CatNamus https://t.co/DSIAsFdjOP @schestowitz open source investigationAug 22 01:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> namelyliberty.com | Bill Gates Connected to Multiple Convicted Sex Offenders - via on NAMELY LIBERTYAug 22 01:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/PredatoryDenier/status/1296566005368487936Aug 22 01:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PredatoryDenier: @schestowitz Ok, one of those mosquitos ends up on my property, then I will fine Kill Bates a million bucks.Aug 22 01:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TheJigisUp10/status/1296545557360435200Aug 22 01:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TheJigisUp10: https://t.co/nXqhpxq7Up Paul Allen...does anyone know if he is related to rick Allen Jones?? 👀@schestowitzAug 22 01:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> alleninstitute.org | Allan JonesAug 22 01:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/moontowermusik/status/1296534154771742720Aug 22 01:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@moontowermusik: @schestowitz Nice https://t.co/Zbx6Go1i45Aug 22 01:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@moontowermusik: @schestowitz Nice https://t.co/Zbx6Go1i45Aug 22 01:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lulu111593/status/1296506376869548043Aug 22 01:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@lulu111593: @schestowitz The pope is wrongAug 22 01:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/barbee_liz/status/1296497378032324609Aug 22 01:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@barbee_liz: @schestowitz https://t.co/LIQNTv0VWZAug 22 01:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@barbee_liz: @schestowitz https://t.co/LIQNTv0VWZAug 22 01:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BillionDollarQ/status/1296475744550498305Aug 22 01:14
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BillionDollarQ: @schestowitz I don't know if that polling data is accurateAug 22 01:14
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yHgxNDh1Vfryw3yoiAug 22 01:22
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:22
schestowitz"Basic on an Apple IIe"Aug 22 01:22
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yHl4Q6L6mbGlJEtFYAug 22 01:22
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:22
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:22
schestowitzthere's still DOSEmu as well btw, works quite well for some specific things, like direct hardware access to parallel port…Aug 22 01:22
schestowitzhttps://m.g3l.org/@mmu_man/104553597675304148Aug 22 01:22
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:22
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-m.g3l.org | mmu_man : "Hey, this Xeltek #EPROM programmer actually works…" - Mastodon G3LAug 22 01:22
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yHnGbKROHYwxzlruaAug 22 01:22
schestowitz"maybe it's a punishment for too many followers 😄"Aug 22 01:22
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:22
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yHqsw56yqmkCGZWZUAug 22 01:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:23
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:23
schestowitzthis is fucking joke. If ICC proceeds They are fully corrupt by Gates. They need to investigate the fraud the scamdemic Aug 22 01:23
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1wbgrhr2BwAug 22 01:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | The COVID-19 Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee www.ACU2020.org Corona-Ausschuss Englisch - YouTubeAug 22 01:23
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:23
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yIkAIVeLFPy9rHCm8Aug 22 01:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:23
schestowitz"When reporting a profit-driven corp who has infringed on the license of the linux kernel to #linuxfoundation, they take no action.  They are pushovers, so i guess it follows that they would sell out."Aug 22 01:23
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yJ6KLGJA19CaAIMq0Aug 22 01:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:23
schestowitz"what's going on here"Aug 22 01:23
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yJ6fDC8LkgFdwIIz2Aug 22 01:24
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:24
schestowitz" School is stoopid it shouldn’t have opened cuz they no we was gonna partay!"Aug 22 01:24
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yJBzb89ZAjNRPyMfgAug 22 01:24
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:24
schestowitz" Yeah but they also banned a shit-ton of Antifa so all in all they've done well today"Aug 22 01:24
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yJC1ZYyMgfr9vSVPcAug 22 01:24
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:24
schestowitz"wtf have they ever played a video game"Aug 22 01:24
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yJGjazYoUcG9I8sxUAug 22 01:24
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:24
schestowitz"no, never played halo"Aug 22 01:24
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yKDrrFGA9bsAZh3gmAug 22 01:25
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:25
schestowitz"He has power, he likes power and won't want to let go,  if he wins in November it will be bad for everyone,  with exec powers could be dissolve the senate and gain more power or are there safeguards against that."Aug 22 01:25
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yKEBDQ3wZGoRZyd84|Aug 22 01:25
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 400 @ https://pleroma.site/notice/9yKEBDQ3wZGoRZyd84| )Aug 22 01:25
schestowitz"Given the 1st and 2nd amendment is it really a good idea to upset an armed population by trying to deny them a vote by interfering with postal  systems and thus postal votes which are more important / essential during a global pandemic. ?"Aug 22 01:25
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yLIYnx0sendNZqwPQAug 22 01:25
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:25
schestowitz" anyone got a .torrent?"Aug 22 01:25
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yLwIYbg9rtTK7gJ5UAug 22 01:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:26
schestowitz" Not sure of all the commotion as the USPS was privatized after the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Reorganization_Act)..."Aug 22 01:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.m.wikipedia.org | Postal Reorganization Act - WikipediaAug 22 01:26
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yMFKtniEDOAlR8kPgAug 22 01:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:26
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:26
schestowitz Time to fire up the bunsen burner to full blast,  #cancelgates is coming  He seems to be like Prince Andrew, Aug 22 01:26
schestowitzPrince andrew needs to get his arrogant backside to the USA and answer some questions.,Aug 22 01:26
schestowitz"Aug 22 01:26
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yMUUd1iwmS4wsn7gWAug 22 01:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 22 01:26
schestowitz"with or without specs to write drivers?"Aug 22 01:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/18824618#d3dd5ba0c5660138aad53d2854f12a7dAug 22 01:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Checking out the new AMD Serval WS Laptop from System76 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141176#comment-26206Aug 22 01:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.tuxmachines.org | System76’s Bonobo WS Makes a Comeback as Their Most Powerful Linux Laptop | Tux MachinesAug 22 01:30
schestowitz"system76 is a fraud."Aug 22 01:30
schestowitz> You can delete my wiki account. We're done here.Aug 22 01:34
schestowitzYour article is based on a misunderstanding of what I said. Or what I meant, as well...Aug 22 01:34
schestowitzSomeone wrote on 21/08/2020 09:03:Aug 22 01:35
schestowitz> "While the goal is to hold the LibrePlanet 2021: Empowering Users inAug 22 01:35
schestowitz> person in the Boston area, the coronavirus pandemic may still prohibitAug 22 01:35
schestowitz> large-scale gatherings, so our conference planning will incorporate theAug 22 01:35
schestowitz> possibility of an online conference like the one we held in 2020. AsAug 22 01:35
schestowitz> such, we will consider applications for remote only sessions, like allAug 22 01:35
schestowitz> others, with the intent of integrating quality sessions into the schedule."Aug 22 01:35
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:35
schestowitz> https://my.fsf.org/lp-call-for-sessionsAug 22 01:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-my.fsf.org | LibrePlanet 2021 Call for Sessions | Free Software FoundationAug 22 01:35
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:35
schestowitz> figosdev ought to write up something.Aug 22 01:35
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:35
schestowitzI will pass it to him.Aug 22 01:35
schestowitzLibrePlanet 2021 call for sessionsAug 22 01:36
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schestowitz> Hi! Aug 22 01:54
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:54
schestowitz> Just wanted to say - excellent reporting!Aug 22 01:54
schestowitz> Sometimes, we know something is off, but not exactly to what extent!!! Aug 22 01:54
schestowitz> I had NO idea MS was sponsoring SFC. no idea.Aug 22 01:54
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:54
schestowitz> And copyleft conf.. I'm disgusted!Aug 22 01:54
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:54
schestowitz> Here is something interesting  - not sure if you have come across this yet.Aug 22 01:54
schestowitz> 1. No application online at SPI these days.Aug 22 01:54
schestowitz> States to email the membership email. Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> DebianConf numbers:Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> These numbers seem to coincide with statements regarding conferences used as bribery...Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> Talk about a huge increase... I mean... wthAug 22 01:55
schestowitz> Maybe the money they took in was more during the time frame of DebConf19...Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> or maybe... it's something else.Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> Not sure.Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> https://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/annual-reports/2019.pdfAug 22 01:55
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> DebConf17Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> 2,950.86 TravelAug 22 01:55
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> DebConf18Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> 11,779.66 TravelAug 22 01:55
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> DebConf19Aug 22 01:55
schestowitz> 781.90 Banking feesAug 22 01:55
schestowitz> 23,445.87 ConferencesAug 22 01:55
schestowitz> 122.11 ITAug 22 01:55
schestowitz> 132,833.61 TravelAug 22 01:55
schestowitzCan you say more about the Debian part? Daniel Pocock wrote something to that effect before...Aug 22 01:55
schestowitzRe: Gartner is stupid as fk.Aug 22 01:56
schestowitz> https://twitter.com/sarbjeetjohal/status/1296882653707112448?s=20Aug 22 01:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sarbjeetjohal: A perfect example of how slow (and poor) the federal government planning is! ... in the meantime technology lands… https://t.co/Yn4XtC5CH9Aug 22 01:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sarbjeetjohal: A perfect example of how slow (and poor) the federal government planning is! ... in the meantime technology lands… https://t.co/Yn4XtC5CH9Aug 22 01:56
schestowitz> Aug 22 01:56
schestowitz> One of their analysts (Lydia) chimes in and makes an ass of herself.Aug 22 01:56
schestowitz> Ironically, I have a friend that worked with her at a hospital and saidAug 22 01:56
schestowitz> she’s an idiot analyst with no practical experience.Aug 22 01:56
schestowitzGartner is not stupidAug 22 01:56
schestowitzGartner is corrupt http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_GroupAug 22 01:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Gartner Group - TechrightsAug 22 01:56
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schestowitz> They’re a Microsoft lapdog...Aug 22 01:58
schestowitzLiars for whoever paysAug 22 01:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1296960194790830080?s=21 HahahaAug 22 01:59
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: Cool. What do you want me to say when you don’t seem to understand the basics of IT finance, basic engineering prin… https://t.co/SOFjLB7OvaAug 22 01:59
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: Cool. What do you want me to say when you don’t seem to understand the basics of IT finance, basic engineering prin… https://t.co/SOFjLB7OvaAug 22 01:59
schestowitz> https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1296960194790830080?s=21Aug 22 02:01
schestowitzYou can paste in the wiki page. The opinion was already bought... in a top-down fashion since the hire. (Selection)Aug 22 02:01
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schestowitz>> BSD is arguably more in bed with Microsoft than GNU and Linux are. Techrights covered this many times about 5 years ago.>> im familiar with the rms stance on copyleft-- it was always the same (from the time he had to redo his permissive code, after the people who made it non-free... its either in an essay he wrote or even the biography oreilly published-- i owned a paper copy of the fsf-published version.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitzI have that too.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitzThe author later disappointed me in relation to another book he did.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> the politics of these things are very important to me-- the practical as well as the ideal. if i talk about practicality or pragmatism, its in a similar context as the fsf article that does so (in response to all the yammering from open sourcers who put so-called "pragmatism" on the top shelf and never get around to principles or even truth.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitzpragmatism is open to interpretation. To many, pragmatism may in fact be freedom.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> theres cynical, short-term pragmatism and then there is honest, long-term pragmatism. the latter is not what open source means when it uses the word-- because long-term self-interest that applies to the general public (ie user freedom) does not ignore the political or the ideal.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> but as rms says, the word freedom is meaningless until you get into specifics.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitzIn the US the term often means something like gun ownership and marching with guns to the federal buildings.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> ive spent literally years on specifics, and i am firmly convinced that linux will NOT be saved.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitzWe've agreed on all that  -- that Linux is in peril; in fact, I think some aspects of this you learned from techrights.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> free software (at least if it needs an operating system) will not get by without a kernel.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> perhaps bsd is not the answer, but there are not a lot of options here.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> im not really loving the bulk of my foray into bsd-land, nor was i expecting to. ive put this off for years.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitzI tried at work at times, usually things like firewallsAug 22 07:05
schestowitznot a very pleasant experienceAug 22 07:05
schestowitz> its vital to the research i do, it cant be avoided indefinitely. ive said many, many times that id rather the free software movement claim (by doing more or less what hyperbola is doing) bsd as a second option-- that gnu/linux (assholex) is simply better for more people.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> i mean in a practical sense, but copyleft is better for VITAL free software projects (flagship projects i call them) than permissive licensing. i said that (as a warning) in my homemade software article.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitzI read all these articles very closely, at spot-typos levelAug 22 07:05
schestowitz> this doesnt limit the argument exclusively to vital projects, but it does emphasise those.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> the most recent programming language i made, was gpl3. my decision. the most recent gui project i worked on-- gpl3. my decision and advocacy.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> i went to sleep pissed off about that article. i was still pissed off when i woke up hours later. i dont really think theres a whole lot of room for misunderstanding.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitzThere is. On both sides. I misunderstood you and, you in turn, misunderstood what I meant. I was a bit shocked you took it so harshly. It was intended to be how we have friendly debates. And don't always agree on everything, which is a perfectly normal thing unless we've both victim of the same cult. Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> as for the email exchange (and the first article i wrote) i said very explicitly that maybe i misunderstood.Aug 22 07:05
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> you can count on me being pissed off for quite some time. and i meant every single word of that reply article. but i dont have anywhere to go speak ill of what happened. this movement continues to crumble, and im running very low on ideas.Aug 22 07:06
schestowitzI think you and I are still best at analysing (in public at least) the situation. Last night I received this:Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz > Hi! Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Just wanted to say - excellent reporting!Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Sometimes, we know something is off, but not exactly to what extent!!! Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> I had NO idea MS was sponsoring SFC. no idea.Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> And copyleft conf.. I'm disgusted!Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Here is something interesting  - not sure if you have come across this yet.Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> 1. No application online at SPI these days.Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> States to email the membership email. Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> DebianConf numbers:Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> These numbers seem to coincide with statements regarding conferences used as bribery...Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Talk about a huge increase... I mean... wthAug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Maybe the money they took in was more during the time frame of DebConf19...Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> or maybe... it's something else.Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Not sure.Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> https://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/annual-reports/2019.pdfAug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> DebConf17qqAug 22 07:06
schestowitz> 2,950.86 TravelAug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> DebConf18Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> 11,779.66 TravelAug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> DebConf19Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> 781.90 Banking feesAug 22 07:06
schestowitz> 23,445.87 ConferencesAug 22 07:06
schestowitz> 122.11 ITAug 22 07:06
schestowitz> 132,833.61 TravelAug 22 07:06
schestowitzCan you say more about the Debian part? Daniel Pocock wrote something to that effect before...Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> the one bright point was when i figured out that far from the website being down as i worried, i simply couldnt check the hyperbola homepage because of a cert problem on my side. i upgraded the browser and voila, the website loads again.Aug 22 07:06
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:07
schestowitz> we are so fucked. we are so, so fucked.Aug 22 07:07
schestowitzRMS did not expect an overnight success. The important thing is staying in it... for the long fight/haul.Aug 22 07:07
schestowitz> also that new fsf article was garbage. not to be a dick, but "what the hell is this?" was the impression i got-- RIGHT BEFORE reading the gpl/copyleft article.Aug 22 07:07
schestowitzTo understand this article you need to see the IRC log, esp. the exchange between Aridiane and I.Aug 22 07:07
schestowitz> ive said before that the movement may die off entirely before it picks up again. not my first choice.Aug 22 07:07
schestowitzIt almost died before it even got started. We're closer now to success than we are to failure. Ask Tom.Aug 22 07:07
schestowitzBut success is relatives. How did the Hippies fare...?Aug 22 07:07
schestowitz> but things are getting closer and closer to that. i mean, we can pretend that things are nicer than that. but thats boring sometimes. i want software freedom as much as anybody-- i know i wont have it unless everybody does, im very aware of that. and not pleased.Aug 22 07:07
schestowitzHey, did you use gnu/linux like I did 20 years ago? Do you realise how "TRULY SHITTY" the experience was? I could barely even play multimedia files.Aug 22 07:07
schestowitzAnd no, we did have binary blobs and stuff back then too. And they rarely even worked! ;-)Aug 22 07:07
schestowitz> If this is so, I'm sure it can be worked out!  ;-)Aug 22 07:14
schestowitzTo clarify what happened:Aug 22 07:14
schestowitz1. I checked my mail Weds. morning after work.Aug 22 07:14
schestowitz2. I checked my mail Thurd. morning again (not working that day) just to check if I received an article from figAug 22 07:14
schestowitz3. I swept aside all mail aside from the article (hundreds of spam in my box)Aug 22 07:14
schestowitz4. I posted the articleAug 22 07:14
schestowitz5. I did an article about copyleft not because of fig but something totally unrelated, esp. because of a meme I had in mind (which I thought would be hilarious)Aug 22 07:14
schestowitz6. I started work 1am, opened mail to see lots of stuff about BSD, which I then caught up withAug 22 07:14
schestowitz7. I wrote quickly to clarify my intentAug 22 07:14
schestowitz8. Went to take a nap, sad that I had upset fig without realising itAug 22 07:14
schestowitz9. Back to mail now, writing in more detail (work still on)Aug 22 07:14
schestowitzMy schedule is super-odd and if you work 36 hours a week+do social control media posts+check mail+comments+write about 10 blog  posts a day, you too would make mistakes.Aug 22 07:14
schestowitzI have too much spam in my box these days to read mail in real time, unless I want to delete spam 10 times per hour. The spam is also distracting, harms train of thought.Aug 22 07:14
schestowitzFor fig I've bent my routines, esp. to check if he sends something time-sensitive. Maybe he assumed I had read all the other mail before doing the article. I hadn't.Aug 22 07:14
schestowitzEither way, let's hope we can focus on our real enemies. Being divided among ourselves would be the REAL tragedy.Aug 22 07:14
schestowitz> Hey Roy,Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz>  Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz> There’s a new partnership to improve homeless shelter management.Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz>  Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz> MariaDB <https://mariadb.com/>, a leading open source relationalAug 22 07:20
schestowitz> database, is partnering with MissionTracker to use technology to betterAug 22 07:20
schestowitz> allow homeless organizations to easily track residents, volunteers andAug 22 07:20
schestowitz> staff members.Aug 22 07:20
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mariadb.com | MariaDB Enterprise Open Source Database & SkySQL MariaDB Cloud | MariaDBAug 22 07:20
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz>  Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:20
schestowitz> Powered by MariaDB Platform, MissionTracker continually adds newAug 22 07:20
schestowitz> features and tools to quickly address changing conditions, for exampleAug 22 07:21
schestowitz> recently adding communicable disease tracking for COVID-19 infections.Aug 22 07:21
schestowitz> Using MariaDB’s SkySQL enables MissionTracker to focus on what mattersAug 22 07:21
schestowitz> most, delivering critical new solutions quickly for shelters, savingAug 22 07:21
schestowitz> time and resources otherwise used to manage databases. Aug 22 07:21
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:21
schestowitz>  Aug 22 07:21
schestowitz> Aug 22 07:21
schestowitz> If you would like to know more about this partnership, I can connect youAug 22 07:21
schestowitz> with an executive at MariaDB. I’ve also pasted a draft of the release below.Aug 22 07:21
schestowitzRe: Gartner is stupid as fk.Aug 22 07:33
schestowitz> Yep...hard to play such stupid and reckless games without being stupid as fk. 😉Aug 22 07:33
schestowitzI was in a movie (for French and Swiss TV) which exposed Gartner as frauds a decade ago.Aug 22 07:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Love2Clear/status/1297047603495010304Aug 22 07:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Love2Clear: @Techno_Fog @AK4WA @BillGates is on #Epstein’s flight log. Epstein went to the Gates’ mansion at least 6x. Gates al… https://t.co/etNAUuj1NqAug 22 07:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Love2Clear: @Techno_Fog @AK4WA @BillGates is on #Epstein’s flight log. Epstein went to the Gates’ mansion at least 6x. Gates al… https://t.co/etNAUuj1NqAug 22 07:41
schestowitz"Aug 22 07:41
schestowitz@BillGatesAug 22 07:41
schestowitz is on #Epstein’s flight log. Epstein went to the Gates’ mansion at least 6x. Gates also went to another of Epstein’s homes. Who is the richest man in the world who could have Epstein killed? AND IS A #ROCKEFELLER? THIS IS HUGE! & this is weird:Aug 22 07:41
schestowitz"Aug 22 07:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Love2Clear/status/1297023154561449984Aug 22 07:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Love2Clear: @realDonaldTrump We just watched #PlandemicIndoctornation again. A clip of you saying you’ll have the military deli… https://t.co/kp9CEBzPgdAug 22 07:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Love2Clear: @realDonaldTrump We just watched #PlandemicIndoctornation again. A clip of you saying you’ll have the military deli… https://t.co/kp9CEBzPgdAug 22 07:42
schestowitz"Aug 22 07:42
schestowitzWe just watched #PlandemicIndoctornation again. A clip of you saying you’ll have the military delivering @BillGatesAug 22 07:42
schestowitz lethal #vaccines by the end of the year is in the documentary. And news is surfacing that you’re slipping contracts to #BillGates. Comment?Aug 22 07:42
schestowitz"Aug 22 07:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Love2Clear/status/1296904562964660224Aug 22 07:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Love2Clear: @AK4WA @TheJusticeDept That’s what @BillGates is planning with his nano #vaccines...& @realDonaldTrump is slipping… https://t.co/3bRU4NRjZNAug 22 07:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Love2Clear: @AK4WA @TheJusticeDept That’s what @BillGates is planning with his nano #vaccines...& @realDonaldTrump is slipping… https://t.co/3bRU4NRjZNAug 22 07:42
schestowitz"Aug 22 07:42
schestowitzThat’s what @BillGatesAug 22 07:42
schestowitz is planning with his nano #vaccines...& @realDonaldTrumpAug 22 07:42
schestowitz is slipping contracts & #taxpayer dollars to him & has stated the military will be delivering those killer poisons soon. I just share what I find...this is not a good find.Aug 22 07:42
schestowitz"Aug 22 07:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Love2Clear/status/1296903834141327360Aug 22 07:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Love2Clear: @realDonaldTrump WHY ARE YOU SLIPPING #VACCINE CONTRACTS 2 @BillGates?!!! #Qanons #anons DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS?… https://t.co/S1iwQBEERAAug 22 07:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Love2Clear: @realDonaldTrump WHY ARE YOU SLIPPING #VACCINE CONTRACTS 2 @BillGates?!!! #Qanons #anons DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS?… https://t.co/S1iwQBEERAAug 22 07:42
schestowitz"Aug 22 07:42
schestowitz@realDonaldTrumpAug 22 07:42
schestowitz WHY ARE YOU SLIPPING #VACCINE CONTRACTS 2 @BillGatesAug 22 07:42
schestowitz?!!! #Qanons #anons DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS? @POTUSAug 22 07:42
schestowitz you need to explain wtf is happening. #WEDONOTCONSENT 2 THE #ROCKEFELLER #DEPOPULATION #AGENDA2030 #CRIME AGAINST #WETHEPEOPLE! #HELLNOAug 22 07:42
schestowitz"Aug 22 07:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/joshland/status/1296831509412737026Aug 22 07:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@joshland: @Broteinsmoothie https://t.co/c4Vh33gNjyAug 22 07:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2020/08/21/bill-gates-lies-re-jeffrey-epstein/ )Aug 22 07:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Bee42681881/status/1296814140800065536Aug 22 07:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Bee42681881: @HBiggus @returnoffrank @politicalite https://t.co/qAUDGhSrmmAug 22 07:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2013/06/10/gates-and-murdoch-spying/ )Aug 22 07:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1296970891918622720Aug 22 07:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @schestowitz YgmAug 22 07:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/moormaan/status/1296974238210039808Aug 22 07:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@moormaan: @schestowitz Not much of a review, just some status information...Aug 22 07:44
schestowitzI have installed htop on TR, using yum.Aug 22 08:22
schestowitzI think it would be better at monitoring (visually also) TR load.Aug 22 08:22
schestowitzA few days ago the backup of the DB didn't properly run/complete again, for the second time in a month. All was fine afterwards or for months prior. I saw that all the backups were failing when they did, so maybe something at a system level just sort of canceled the cronjobs. No idea what may have caused this; if it happens a third time, then it might be worth investigating. Aug 22 08:22
schestowitzMaybe this weekend we'll set up another container; that would also mean HV updates, root password reset, reboot, sudoers fixed.Aug 22 08:22
schestowitzI've just prodded a bit in the main channel.Aug 22 08:22
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schestowitz>> I have installed htop on TR, using yum.Aug 22 11:33
schestowitz>> I think it would be better at monitoring (visually also) TR load.Aug 22 11:33
schestowitz> Yes, htop is a better approach.  I wonder what kind of low-resource APIAug 22 11:33
schestowitz> can best be used to automate this?Aug 22 11:33
schestowitz> Aug 22 11:33
schestowitz>> A few days ago the backup of the DB didn't properly run/completeAug 22 11:33
schestowitz>> again, for the second time in a month.Aug 22 11:33
schestowitz> Sorry I should have noticed.  I'll look for a way to automate theAug 22 11:33
schestowitz> verification.   Or if you have an idea off the top of your head, we canAug 22 11:33
schestowitz> implement that.Aug 22 11:33
schestowitzThe cron jobs do that, as they even explain which part to pay attention to in the emails.Aug 22 11:33
schestowitz>> Re: Gartner is stupid as fk.Aug 22 11:49
schestowitz>>> Yep...hard to play such stupid and reckless games without being stupid as fk. 😉Aug 22 11:50
schestowitz>> I was in a movie (for French and Swiss TV) which exposed Gartner asAug 22 11:50
schestowitz>> frauds a decade ago.> That’s awesome. Gartner is for marks.Aug 22 11:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/oddfox/status/1297099806905524225Aug 22 13:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@oddfox: @schestowitz Uhh this is troubling https://t.co/fSNyzSVQD5Aug 22 13:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@oddfox: @schestowitz Uhh this is troubling https://t.co/fSNyzSVQD5Aug 22 13:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/StarchyArchie/status/1297119517852798976Aug 22 13:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@StarchyArchie: @schestowitz @GregPalast is great!Aug 22 13:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1297121446083399682Aug 22 13:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: "baby chicks were dead inside their boxes" staggering cruelty of this blatant political sabotage... https://t.co/Jytplmy6SzAug 22 13:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #LATimes ☞ ‘Like Armageddon’: Rotting food, dead animals and chaos at postal facilities amid cutbacks https://t.co/W7LELNF9nAAug 22 13:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Magic_CAD/status/1297128153463296001Aug 22 13:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Magic_CAD: 👀will be interesting experiment to track violent crime numbers and gun sales as well👀 https://t.co/ybzwGnnhIaAug 22 13:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #Counterpunch #Police ☞ The Black Led "Defund the Police" Movement Wins Great Breakthrough in Los Angeles:… https://t.co/mU3l0yZcbuAug 22 13:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TheJigisUp10/status/1297138025806221312Aug 22 13:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TheJigisUp10: @LWDoyleUSA https://t.co/UYCS931JwV @ASterling author @RobertKennedyJr @robach @delbigtree @LondonRealTV… https://t.co/3lw1BlkceeAug 22 13:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> medium.com | Clinton Foundation and United Way: Is the Charity Giant a Slow-Moving Aramony Scandal? | by Amy Sterling Casil | MediumAug 22 13:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TheJigisUp10: @LWDoyleUSA https://t.co/UYCS931JwV @ASterling author @RobertKennedyJr @robach @delbigtree @LondonRealTV… https://t.co/3lw1BlkceeAug 22 13:34
schestowitz"Aug 22 13:34
schestowitzhttps://medium.com/@ASterling/clinton-foundation-and-united-way-is-the-charity-giant-a-slow-moving-aramony-scandal-60f63b5b6bbaAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @ASterlingAug 22 13:34
schestowitz  author @RobertKennedyJrAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @robachAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @delbigtreeAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @LondonRealTVAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @ValuetainmentTVAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @true_punditAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @WatchChadAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @hodgetwinsAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @RealCandaceOAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @ErinHNNAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @JamesOKeefeIIIAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @TomFittonAug 22 13:34
schestowitz @schestowitzAug 22 13:34
schestowitz Bill Gates mother was head of United way, still links today.Aug 22 13:34
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, August 21, 2020Aug 22 17:44
schestowitz# folks need to be a little less dickish in IRC Aug 22 17:44
schestowitzx https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/universal-microsoft-azure-cloud-production-1234743076/Aug 22 17:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-variety.com | Universal Adopts Microsoft Azure for Animation, Live-Action Production - VarietyAug 22 17:49
schestowitzhttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/universal-microsoft-partner-to-develop-cloud-based-animation-and-live-action-production-processesAug 22 17:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Universal, Microsoft Partner to Develop Cloud-based Animation and Live Action Production Processes | Hollywood ReporterAug 22 17:54
schestowitz>>> The topics he covers are important and he writes them up quite well.Aug 22 21:46
schestowitz>> thats nice. i get very few compliments and when i believe theyre sincereAug 22 21:46
schestowitz>> (i usually do, but ive gotten them from fake people too) i appreciateAug 22 21:46
schestowitz>> them. i doubt this one is insincere.Aug 22 21:46
schestowitz> It is sincere appreciation for the writings.Aug 22 21:46
schestowitz> Aug 22 21:46
schestowitz>> ...>  libreplanet is a goddamned farce and a pox on the free software movement.Aug 22 21:46
schestowitz> Probably, but those poseurs and the problems they cause need to beAug 22 21:46
schestowitz> addressed.  Ignoring them and letting them grow is not a good option.Aug 22 21:46
schestowitz> However, there are many possibilities.Aug 22 21:46
schestowitz> free software advocates worrying that gnu/bsd will gain gnu/linux-like attraction is right up there with republicans worrying that 90% of the world could somehow become gay.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> its just not more appealing to most people. (thats different than it being entirely unappealing to most people).Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> new gems from my research: MANY. did you know virtualbox needs openwatcom to compile? i didnt. did you know dosemu (uses freedos) and freedos need openwatcom (nonfree) to compile? i did. did you know the DFSG (which the osd is based on) makes these nonfree? i learned that today.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> this is all from learning more about bsd.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> also openbsd SUCKS at gnu/linux partitions. pretty amazingly so. freebsd is a bit better.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> one (freebsd i think) doesnt do -l but openbsd does (just tried it).Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> pretty much everything bsd is github except freebsd, openbsd and dragonfly. netbsd isnt developed three, but netbsd uses github pro as a donation option (this has ranked netbsd down for me, i would probably wait a year before bothering with netbsd as a result)Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> dragonfly is 64-bit only, one machine i have refuses to boot freebsd past halfway (odd bug, ive tried LOTS of workarounds) and openbsd installs on that one.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> overall i feel better about freebsd right now-- less about openbsd. but im running both.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> no python yet. no pypy yet (its available-- cant install it, reasons)Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> no x on freebsd. got x on openbsd!Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> freebsd has got better documentation.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> i dont think any of this would be a surprise to openbsd devs.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> but its good to know this stuff, if i get hyperbola installed.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> i dont think gnu/linux is going to improve. it will become more and more corporate, and the people making it free will continue to chase their tail. but most people dont care, and will keep using gnu/linux even after its complete and utter shit.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> including microsoft.Aug 22 22:09
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:10
schestowitz> the percentage of gay people isnt going to quadruple. ive done gay stuff, my wife did too. but just like legalising marijuana didnt turn everybody into potheads, making homosexuality mainstream wont make most people gay. thats just not how it works.Aug 22 22:10
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:10
schestowitz> thats not how it works for bsd either.Aug 22 22:10
schestowitz> _pragmatism is open to interpretation. To many, pragmatism may in fact be freedom._Aug 22 22:12
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:12
schestowitz> Practicality (to warp the idea of pragmatism a little) is central to freedom.  If one cannot reasonably easily accomplish what one is "free" to do, then one is far far less free.Aug 22 22:12
schestowitz> Aug 22 22:12
schestowitz> Moving on from that notion, FreeBSD can be seen to be more free than GNU/Linux in at least the sense that it is more easily forked!  And not only can it be forked, but the fork can be relicensed under a copyleft license.  This, to me, would seem the right path.  The harder question is: "who in the world _would do_ such a thing"?Aug 22 22:12
schestowitzI am not sure this is how it works. I am not sure.Aug 22 22:12
schestowitz>> Hey, did you use gnu/linux like I did 20 years ago? Do you realise howAug 22 22:12
schestowitz>> "TRULY SHITTY" the experience was? I could barely even play multimedia files.Aug 22 22:12
schestowitz> If there is ever a fork in the road, we will probably have to endure a period of time when a certain number of things do not work well.  That will be a tough time, because we will certainly lose the softer members of the movement - and a movement lives on its momentum, so that is a major problem.Aug 22 22:12

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