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| schestowitz[TR2] | >> fwiw here are some questions for xxxx, he has not responded to past | Sep 22 20:49 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | > emails so perhaps he can get them via you this time? | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Hi, Roy if you don't mind forwarding my responses I'd be most | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > grateful, thankyou. Sorry for if I've missed people's questions. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I already relay what can/should, trying to omit names if so they prefer :-) | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | >> 1. What is the goal of the article? | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > It's to get readers to re-examine their idea about rights and think | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > more about responsibilities. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > (( A strong feeling that we need to do some painful examination of | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > where "software freedom" stalled as a social/political movement. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Daniel Cantarin's painful rebuke to Alexandre Oliva was a | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > spark. Daniel's objections are legitimate, yet they are also | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > self-pitying and angry apologetic that fails to ask the salient | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > technical and political questions. He buys the official "security" | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > narrative hook, line and sinker, apparently accepting violation of his | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > rights as a given, inevitable and unstoppable fact of the world. Then | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > he turns this into a position that necessity makes morals optional, | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > which I experienced as a sad sort of defeatism. Because ironically, | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Daniel is speaking from a position of responsibility, as a family | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > provider, carer and breadwinner, tormented by poverty and | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > bureaucracy. He is acting in the most moral way while trashing morals | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > as a "luxury". So at the same time he fails to see the responsibility | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > we each have as a technology user to all our fellow beings. )) | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > So the aim of my essay is to ask why we are talking past one another, | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > trying to win the "more oppressed than thou" race. I think the answer | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > is that "rights" are a weak formulation of social relations and that | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > if we try to reposition around "responsibility" it will have more | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > power. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | >> 2. How have the changes to university financing contributed to the | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > current mess? | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Read Prof. Wendy Brown. I'm no expert and she puts the complex shift | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > from corporatism to global financialism far more eloquently than I | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > could possibly. See "Forum 22: The End of the Corporate University and | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > What We Are Now" youtube:Z5EWYohECRQ | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > In a nutshell global money made everything that is | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > moral/ethical/public unprofitable. One may still have morals, and it's | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > still possible to do humane research or help people, but you will pay | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > for it dearly. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | >> And how is it possible that science and the arts have taken a | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > distant second place to economic profit? | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > I don't quite understand that question. Clearly money /has/ displaced | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > human values, and in a way it doesn't matter "how" or "why". The | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > question of "how?" is if there is any political, social or | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > psychological remedy - because clearly it is pathological to the | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > species. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | >> 3. What are the analyses of the reasons for how we got into the | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > current mess? | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Again, I'll defer to other smarter authors, Wendy Brown, Benjamin | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Ginsberg, Noam Chomsky and John Taylor Gatto. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Synthesising all their views as if I were an LLM ... Acadmia has been | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > infiltrated and destroyed by vain, shallow, selfish impostors who are | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > complete cowards. They pushed out all the truly intelligent but less | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > aggressive people. Nobody cares, because (eveyone hates eggheads and | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > real geeks anyway) universities are now an "industry" that makes a lot | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > of money selling dreams and limiting class mobility. Soon an enormous | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > cultural and intellectual debt is going to get called-in that will | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > collapse Western society which has no innovation or creativity plan-B | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > to fall back on. "AI" is the last desperate bet of Peter-Pan | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Capitalism to keep living in Never-Never land. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | >> 4. Who benefits from the current mess? | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Nobody. It's a complete fucking lose-lose mess. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > In the short term maybe about 100 financiers. But nobody actually | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > worth mentioning. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | >> 5. Why are IT magazines completely silent about these problems? | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > I don't know much about IT magazines. My friend Daniel James once | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > wrote prolifically for some of them and has given me the impression | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > they are saussage facories just like any other area of journalism that | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > needs to sell advertisement. I also think all tech media is still | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > stuck in "chirpy optimism mode". I mean, I'm an optimist, but that's | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > not the same as living in abject denial. It's like they're obliged to | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > repeat the uncritical mantra about "enormous benefits to society". | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > So, for me they're irrelevant because they're the last place on Earth | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > that would ever print "depressing cruft" from someone like me. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | >> 6. What are possible routes out of the current mess? | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Personally I'm setting up my own university. It's a long and hard | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > process that's going to be a lifelong work. If I can educate just one | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > student the proper way it will have been worth it. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Already I've experienced the pressures and peverse incentives that | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > shape the current shitshow. For example: employers couldn't give a | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > crap about knowledge, creativity, innovation... they just want monkeys | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > to wind the handles. Finding students whose primary motive isn't just | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > getting an entry-level tech worker job is a challenge. The only people | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > who value knowledge are a dwindling minority of intellectuals and | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > philosophers. Besides, students don't really want knowledge | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > either. They want a certificate that says they are OK. It's all about | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > assuaging deep inner insecurity that's been planted in their minds | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > since infant school. If you do challenge their knowledge they fall | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > apart so fast bystanders get by the shrapnel. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | >> ^ also possible topics ? | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > Yes I think all of these points are wonderful topics to explore | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > further. Some of the conclusions are a bit depressing though. More | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > than the question of "can humans move beyond empty consumerism?" is | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > "can we change /in time/" becasue the clock is clearly ticking now. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > At some point we won't be able to raise an educate a smart-enough | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | > generation in the remaining time window for survival. | Sep 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Relayed verbatim to the 'provocateur'. Thank you, very insightful. | Sep 22 20:49 |
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