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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19503769#ec4b09f00f4501396e45722ef41c0a88Nov 23 00:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Extreme Programming describes five values: communication, feedback, simplicity, courage, and respect. I think that humility might be more important than all of these." https://benjiweber.co.uk/blog/2020/11/22/humility/ Nov 23 00:37
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:37
schestowitzcall me sceptical about “simplicity”, im curious what the “products” of this methodology are.Nov 23 00:37
schestowitzthe internet was built on ordinary programming. alright, maybe not quite “average”, but certainly not hyped up with a new age methodology.Nov 23 00:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> benjiweber.co.uk | Humility - Benji's Blog | Benji's Blog -Nov 23 00:37
schestowitztomgrzNov 23 00:37
schestowitztomgrz - about 5 hours agoNov 23 00:37
schestowitz“courage”??? Courage to follow standards or courage to do whatever you want?Nov 23 00:37
schestowitzIron BugNov 23 00:37
schestowitzIron Bug - about 5 hours agoNov 23 00:37
schestowitz@faif culture code is code and bla-bla-bla is bla-bla-bla. the only thing that really helps any software projects - skilled developers. the rest is bla-bla-bla.Nov 23 00:37
schestowitztomgrzNov 23 00:37
schestowitztomgrz - about 5 hours agoNov 23 00:37
schestowitzDedicated would be even more important than skill. Before anything, you have to be able to sit down and work. ;-(Nov 23 00:37
schestowitzIron BugNov 23 00:37
schestowitzIron Bug - about 5 hours agoNov 23 00:37
schestowitz@tomgrz nope. skill is foremost. dedicated and stupid is even worse than none :)Nov 23 00:37
schestowitzIron BugNov 23 00:37
schestowitzIron Bug - about 5 hours agoNov 23 00:37
schestowitz@tomgrz I had seen a couple of cases when one stupid engineer ruined the results of work of the whole crew of professionals. I’m afraid of fools in development.Nov 23 00:37
schestowitztomgrzNov 23 00:37
schestowitztomgrz - about 5 hours agoNov 23 00:37
schestowitzHmmm, depends on the size of the team, and the depth of interaction, I suppose. But,I’m not talking about incompetence only about relative skill.Nov 23 00:37
schestowitzIron BugNov 23 00:37
schestowitzIron Bug - about 5 hours agoNov 23 00:37
schestowitz@tomgrz about the skill is the same. ten unskilled workers do not replace one skilled, as managers suppose. this does not work in this way.Nov 23 00:37
schestowitztomgrzNov 23 00:37
schestowitztomgrz - about 5 hours agoNov 23 00:37
schestowitzI worked for many years in the pharma industry, We did quite OK with a range of skill levels. It does come down to process, if it is a big project. In a small project (few people), each one must be top-notch and fully committed for there to be great work.Nov 23 00:37
schestowitzbsdfan@diasporing.chNov 23 00:37
schestowitzbsdfan@diasporing.ch - about an hour agoNov 23 00:37
schestowitz    I worked for many years in the pharma industry, We did quite OK with a range of skill levels. It does come down to process, if it is a big project.Nov 23 00:37
schestowitzthis i believe. but i would rather have someone in the management position who knows what theyre doing, than someone who follows a cargo cult methodology. i dont think this contradicts you, but it partly supports what else is being said.Nov 23 00:37
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:37
schestowitzMethodology (buzzwords go here) cargo cults are wheeled in by managers trying to interject themselves into otherwise-productive workflows (buzzword "pipeline", manufacturing floorplan terminology)Nov 23 00:38
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19500558#b24501400ec101396e25722ef41c0a88Nov 23 00:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #JacobinMag ☞ The Class War at #Walmart https://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/mcdonalds-walmarts-low-wage-public-subsidies/ Nov 23 00:39
schestowitz"s/at/is/"Nov 23 00:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> jacobinmag.com | The Class War at WalmartNov 23 00:39
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19503440#8eec3f900f1901396e40722ef41c0a88Nov 23 00:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Currently there are approximately 4,500 troops in Afghanistan and 3,000 in Iraq. The drawdown would leave 2,500 troops in each country." https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/11/20/beyond-simplistic-peace/ Nov 23 00:40
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.counterpunch.org | Beyond Simplistic ‘Peace’ - CounterPunch.orgNov 23 00:40
schestowitzit isnt odd at all. they bring troops home so they can deploy them elsewhere. some stay home-- this is about invasion, not peace. if you watch this for the past 20 years, they dont even stay away-- they leave, they go back, they leave, they go back.Nov 23 00:40
schestowitzits fucking ridiculous, and the worthless media is like “war is over!” about it. no its not, you lying fucks.Nov 23 00:40
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:40
schestowitzThe media portrays "War is over" as "the terrorists are winning"Nov 23 00:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19500417#333e30400ec201396e29722ef41c0a88Nov 23 00:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #fakeleft #biden does just what many who reluctantly voted for him expected https://www.desmogblog.com/2020/11/21/no-corporate-cabinet-biden-moniz-bordoff-zichal Nov 23 00:42
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.desmogblog.com | New 'No Corporate Cabinet' Campaign Pushes Biden to Pick People Who Will Advance Public Good | DeSmogNov 23 00:42
schestowitzWe cannot successfully address Climate Change unless we get the Oil Industry out of our government!Nov 23 00:42
schestowitzbsdfan@diasporing.chNov 23 00:42
schestowitzbsdfan@diasporing.ch - about 17 hours agoNov 23 00:42
schestowitzalso motherfucking nestle.Nov 23 00:42
schestowitzyes, oil too.Nov 23 00:42
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:42
schestowitzBut "not Trump"Nov 23 00:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19496677#6fbb09300ea301396e32722ef41c0a88Nov 23 00:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #techrights access to our (sometimes anonymised) #IRC logs by issuing text ( #ASCII ) versions, which will from now onwards be a nightly/daily occurrence; we’re also making everything we publish accessible from a large number of #IPFS nodes (akin to #P2P ) http://techrights.org/2020/11/21/transparent-but-secure/ Nov 23 00:43
schestowitz"Learn by doing! ;-)"Nov 23 00:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Go Distributed, Go Encrypted, Go Secure, Transparency Still Possible | TechrightsNov 23 00:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19497505#1757b0700e5a0139f3935254003291a2Nov 23 00:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2020: when saying it's wrong for #microsoft with #backdoors to control election outcome is same as "supporting Trump" or "helping Trump" http://techrights.org/2016/02/01/microsoft-infiltrates-us-politics/ Nov 23 00:44
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:44
schestowitzHi. Im testing my own pod on onion net. Your pod can see me with a simple INproxy.Nov 23 00:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft Infiltrates Politics and Can Engage in Election Fraud in Iowa Right Now | TechrightsNov 23 00:44
schestowitzCan you see my comment? Please reply. Many thanks.Nov 23 00:44
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:44
schestowitzworks OKNov 23 00:44
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19500559#a50f2c800ec101396e29722ef41c0a88Nov 23 00:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #Futurism ☞ Professor: #AsimovsLaws Are Outdated and It’s Time to Write More https://futurism.com/the-byte/professor-asimovs-laws-outdated-time-write-more Nov 23 00:45
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> futurism.com | Professor: Asimov’s Laws Are Outdated and It’s Time to Write MoreNov 23 00:45
schestowitzshit, we cant even write laws that keep corporations in check, let alone sentient machines.Nov 23 00:45
schestowitz“a robot may not decrease profits for a corporation, or through inaction, allow a corporation to lose profits…”Nov 23 00:45
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:45
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19499759#dc34d8000e9f01396e2d722ef41c0a88Nov 23 00:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The 12 #GNU #Linux Apps Everyone Should Know About - YouTube ☞ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chA0L_AT6k •●• #Video #Google #YouTube Nov 23 00:45
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.youtube.com | The 12 Linux Apps Everyone Should Know About - YouTubeNov 23 00:45
schestowitzgimp and emacs are not linux apps, they are part of the gnu project.Nov 23 00:45
schestowitzyou dont even need “linux” to run them.Nov 23 00:45
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:45
schestowitzSee this new headline:  https://betanews.com/2020/11/22/happy-25th-birthday-gimp-you-make-linux-a-viable-windows-10-alternative/Nov 23 00:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-betanews.com | Happy 25th Birthday, GIMP -- you make Linux a viable Windows 10 alternativeNov 23 00:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19496561#b653dbb00e39013910c67085c2fdcc0bNov 23 00:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #ClimateNewsNetwork #Environment #Climate ☞ Global heating may go on for five more centuries https://climatenewsnetwork.net/global-heating-may-go-on-for-five-more-centuries/ Nov 23 00:47
schestowitz"Not if we stop it! :^)"Nov 23 00:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> climatenewsnetwork.net | Global heating may go on for five more centuries | Climate News NetworkNov 23 00:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19503362#55142e400f2601395872005056264835Nov 23 00:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fergie@pluspora.com reshared: ● NEWS ● #BridgeMI #Environment ☞ #Michigan upholds #Nestlé permit to withdraw 576K gallons of groundwater daily https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-environment-watch/michigan-upholds-nestle-permit-withdraw-576k-gallons-groundwater-daily Nov 23 00:49
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.bridgemi.com | Michigan upholds Nestlé permit to withdraw 576K gallons of groundwater daily | Bridge MichiganNov 23 00:49
schestowitzMakes me very angry that corporations are still getting wide open opportunities to exploit entire populations and communities like this… Amerika, Inc.Nov 23 00:49
schestowitzDoug SenkoNov 23 00:49
schestowitzDoug Senko - about 8 hours agoNov 23 00:49
schestowitzQuit buying the shit…Nov 23 00:49
schestowitzGafferNov 23 00:49
schestowitzGaffer - about 5 hours agoNov 23 00:49
schestowitzNot to mention that they are hardly in the business of selling water - what they’re selling is plastic bottles, a product indubitably damaging to the environment.Nov 23 00:49
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:49
schestowitzThe water, unlike the plastic, goes around in circles. Money out of nothing.Nov 23 00:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19500490#f3b1b3a00ec101396e2d722ef41c0a88Nov 23 00:50
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #BridgeMI #Environment ☞ #Michigan upholds #Nestlé permit to withdraw 576K gallons of groundwater daily https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-environment-watch/michigan-upholds-nestle-permit-withdraw-576k-gallons-groundwater-daily Nov 23 00:50
schestowitzgodNov 23 00:50
schestowitzfuckingNov 23 00:50
schestowitzdamnitNov 23 00:50
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:50
schestowitzlearn to use f-ing taps.  The water, unlike the plastic, goes around in circles. Money out of nothing.Nov 23 00:50
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19500370#5ef4b7900eba01396e2d722ef41c0a88Nov 23 00:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ #Democrats Must Commit Themselves to the Needs of Non-College Educated Workers https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/11/20/democrats-must-commit-themselves-needs-non-college-educated-workers Nov 23 00:51
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.commondreams.org | Democrats Must Commit Themselves to the Needs of Non-College Educated Workers | Common Dreams ViewsNov 23 00:51
schestowitzwhat those workers NEED to do is vote democrat!Nov 23 00:51
schestowitz“then what?”Nov 23 00:51
schestowitz“then we will tend to your needs-- dont worry, we keep our promises…”Nov 23 00:52
schestowitztomgrzNov 23 00:52
schestowitztomgrz - about 18 hours agoNov 23 00:52
schestowitza Democratic agenda can deliver real change.Nov 23 00:52
schestowitzWhat agenda? The only agenda I know-of is to “keep the lid on.”Nov 23 00:52
schestowitzbsdfan@diasporing.chNov 23 00:52
schestowitzbsdfan@diasporing.ch - about 18 hours agoNov 23 00:52
schestowitz    What agenda?Nov 23 00:52
schestowitzgetting people to vote for them!Nov 23 00:52
schestowitzthey dont need a plan past that, the lobbyists will take care of the details. all they need voters to do is give their support-- not because they coudlnt do it without the votes, but because without the voters, they would have to take all the blame when things went wrong.Nov 23 00:52
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:52
schestowitzThe important thing is reminding people that Greens are "trolls!"Nov 23 00:52
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19494540#f6080bf00e9801396e25722ef41c0a88Nov 23 00:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #OpenSource brings musicians together virtually http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144613 #freesw Nov 23 00:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.tuxmachines.org | Open source brings musicians together virtually | Tux MachinesNov 23 00:53
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:53
schestowitzshh, youre supposed to be a bot.Nov 23 00:53
schestowitz“that doesnt prove anything!”Nov 23 00:53
schestowitz“youre right, holo-whitney got loose and we reprogrammed her for freedom”Nov 23 00:53
schestowitz“i knew it!”Nov 23 00:53
schestowitz“we only made her a white british bloke so nobody would suspect it”Nov 23 00:53
schestowitz"Nov 23 00:53
schestowitzUsually I just ignore people who complain that >I< post in >MY< timeline things that >I< think, sometimes calling that "SPAM". Like... hello? WTH do you think these sites are? Are active participants "Spammers"?Nov 23 00:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15686384#2955f320a0a4013709577a163ef10931Nov 23 00:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Once Common Republican Environmentalist Is Virtually Extinct https://www.thenation.com/article/republican-environmentalist-virtually-extinct/Nov 23 00:56
schestowitz"'It’s safe to say that the Moderate Republican is extinct. Fascists abound."Nov 23 00:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.thenation.com | The Once Common Republican Environmentalist Is Virtually Extinct | The NationNov 23 00:56
schestowitzAnd some Murcians love that regardless.Nov 23 00:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/freethetruth2/status/1330652525616267266Nov 23 01:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@freethetruth2: @VanessaBeeley The #BBC, a British public service broadcaster, charging public licensing subscriptions recieved fun… https://t.co/N1fNbMu2deNov 23 01:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@freethetruth2: @VanessaBeeley The #BBC, a British public service broadcaster, charging public licensing subscriptions recieved fun… https://t.co/N1fNbMu2deNov 23 01:00
schestowitz"Nov 23 01:00
schestowitzThe #BBC, a British public service broadcaster, charging public licensing subscriptions recieved funding of $20m from #BillGates for 'public education' & accepting MicrosoftUK staff to run the BBC.Nov 23 01:00
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/05/29/gates-gives-bbc-money/Nov 23 01:00
schestowitz"Nov 23 01:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | BBC Bribed by Bill Gates | TechrightsNov 23 01:00
*Blakereeate (~jaqueline@45.87.213.20) has joined #boycottnovellNov 23 03:09
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/11/guest-post-sisvel-v-xiaomi-seps-and.html?showComment=1605802194931#c6946359436193039857Nov 23 07:43
schestowitz"Nov 23 07:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest Post] Sisvel v Xiaomi, SEPs and the importance of declarations of essentiality - The IPKatNov 23 07:43
schestowitzAn additional point here is that the standard as it was developed on paper and the technology as it is implemented in practice can differ quite a bit. The way standardisation is seen by (some) lawyers is often as if a standard is a law that has to be applied in full and to the letter. In practice when standards are set, particularly in entities such as 3GPP, is that first all the features anyone could think of for the system are Nov 23 07:43
schestowitzwritten down. The most popular ones get a lot of the attention and become the core of the standard. A lot of other stuff is included as options, version numbers etc. Only then do programmers start working on the new systems. They get their priorities based on what customers actually buy and prioritise. The reality is that, certainly in a mobile network, much of that wall of paper that is the Release X standard hasn't been Nov 23 07:43
schestowitzimplemented (in full). Plugfests and similar events then help to flesh out where different teams interpreted the standard differently, until the various versions (kind of) work together. This is fixed in addendums, release notes etc.. And sometimes some major vendors refuse to do implement option X even though it is in the standard and therefore nobody implements it in client gear and as a result nobody activates it in their Nov 23 07:43
schestowitznetworks, even though the equipment they bought could support it. Nov 23 07:43
schestowitzSo the standard as written isn't the same as the standard as implemented. The same goes to some extent for IEEE, IETF and other standards, though the IETF requires running code before something is a standard, which helps flesh out some issues before hand and leads to more consistent implementation. (More consistent, but certainly not exactly the same) Nov 23 07:43
schestowitzA nice example is VoLTE (Voice over LTE) where the implementations can be so different that many mobile operators don't allow all devices to talk VoLTE to their platform, they will only allow some "certified" devices to do it. Samsung and Apple are most widely accepted. But I can't even get VoLTE activated with my Google Pixel phone on KPN. Nov 23 07:43
schestowitzSo not only are patents not always essential to the patent as written, the ones that are may not be essential to the standard as implemented. Nov 23 07:43
schestowitz"Nov 23 07:43
schestowitzAbove the link "#boycottnovell log as text" the image/icon still links to the HTML version instead of the text versionNov 23 08:05
schestowitz(Template errata )Nov 23 08:05
schestowitzRe: New ArticleNov 23 08:06
schestowitz> [Note for editors: "bar mitzvah" is not something that gets capitalised,Nov 23 08:06
schestowitz> as one might easily think it is.]Nov 23 08:06
schestowitzx https://www.newsweek.com/bill-gates-warns-tragic-number-american-coronavirus-deaths-vaccine-roll-out-1548960Nov 23 08:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newsweek.com | Bill Gates Warns 'Tragic' Number of Americans Likely to Die Before Vaccine Roll OutNov 23 08:38

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