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| schestowitz | hi prawn / prawnsaald just wanted to extend a HUGE thank-you for the work and to also ask if it's still possible to upload a background image for the welcome screen of "nextclient" from within account settings ... in my case, myclients/30927/Techrights/settings | Dec 23 05:04 |
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| schestowitz | trying to customise everything... | Dec 23 05:05 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Dec 23 09:32 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social | Dec 23 09:32 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 | Dec 23 09:32 | |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | two things | Dec 23 10:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 1) earlier this morning our network (server) had a 10-min outage. still less than aws. | Dec 23 10:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 2) what should our position on fsfe be? | Dec 23 10:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (I don't; want to destroy them, they still do some good things) | Dec 23 10:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | afk | Dec 23 10:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | 1) ack, I noticed that the connection was broken but it came back quickly | Dec 23 10:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | 2) it should be measured, but I would say that they probably ought to change | Dec 23 10:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the name. Yes, many of the things they do are good, but far from all. | Dec 23 10:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | OK, thanks for thatinput, we need to budget our time to deal | Dec 23 10:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | with great threts and more urgent things | Dec 23 10:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | sometimes barking without biting can discourage further bad behaviour | Dec 23 10:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Dec 23 10:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sometimes | Dec 23 10:12 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | I think the approach is conditional love or tough love (I prefer the former terms). Commend them when they do sometimes good, condemn when they do something negative, then hope they will do less of the latter, over time, to maintain cleaner reputation and balance sheet | Dec 23 10:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it pains me because I used to know people from there | Dec 23 10:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Dec 23 10:18 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | x https://www.zdnet.com/article/programming-languages-how-python-is-building-a-developer-community-of-millions/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 | Dec 23 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.zdnet.com | Programming languages: How Python is building a developer community of millions | ZDNet | Dec 23 10:22 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | back in a bit | Dec 23 10:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | just fyi (not a complaint or anything ;-) :D): in other links sometimes, maybe once a month and last seen yesterday, the same links would be posted twice, I assume a copy-paste oopsie. Today, as once or twice before, my joindiapora url (profile) was included | Dec 23 10:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | back | Dec 23 10:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yeah, the "other" links are not checked in any meaningful way, they are | Dec 23 10:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | just for information anyway | Dec 23 10:45 |
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| schestowitz__[TR] | = | Dec 23 10:48 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | old: | Dec 23 10:48 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/XWiki/JessicaIavarone | Dec 23 10:48 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | # blocked by javascript | Dec 23 10:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.opensource.org | Profile of Jessica Iavarone - XWiki | Dec 23 10:48 | |
| schestowitz__[TR] | = | Dec 23 10:49 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | old: | Dec 23 10:49 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | https://opensource.org/volunteersandstaff | Dec 23 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-opensource.org | Volunteers & Staff | Open Source Initiative | Dec 23 10:49 | |
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| Techrights-sec2 | https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2021/12/22/december-2021-web-server-survey.html | Dec 23 11:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I think you've read that one already. M4 is basically gone, even from | Dec 23 11:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the "all sites" category. | Dec 23 11:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | December 2021 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News | Dec 23 11:19 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | this became a node title in TM and a post title (Daily Links) in TR. Worth doing another video about? I did many long ones about netcraft, can do another | Dec 23 11:20 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-202011-202111 | Dec 23 11:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | if one includes tables, mobile, etc, then M$ is hovering just above 30% | Dec 23 11:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Probably worth mentioning so as to drive home the point The Netcraft reports | Dec 23 11:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | have a lot of interesting hints about other HTTP servers but no details. | Dec 23 11:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Nginx is clearly eating the market, but lots of small projects are becoming | Dec 23 11:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | visible also. | Dec 23 11:27 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats | Dec 23 11:27 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | For example, the "top million busiest sites" have moved to "other" ahead of | Dec 23 11:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | both Apache2 and Nginx | Dec 23 11:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I suppose Flask and such are there in "other" but Netcraft does not say. | Dec 23 11:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | +1 | Dec 23 11:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I am going to record a video in a few mins | Dec 23 11:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will mention gemini, www, and what you found in the stats | Dec 23 11:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but the point to take home is, WEB servers are not the only game in town | Dec 23 11:30 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Yes, and another is that WWW != Internet, and that social control media | Dec 23 11:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | *is not* the WWW. It gets tiring having to repeat those points. Since | Dec 23 11:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | fewer and fewer people understand that, I wonder if there is another way | Dec 23 11:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to get the point across. | Dec 23 11:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes | Dec 23 11:40 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | recordded 40+ mins in spite of trying to keep it concise | Dec 23 12:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Dec 23 12:37 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | rough first draft in place, video still processing | Dec 23 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you can have a read | Dec 23 13:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | "Its about hierarchy or topology" -> "Its about hierarchy or control." ?? | Dec 23 13:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Some stats on the mail servers would help. Many, very wrongly, assume that | Dec 23 13:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | M$ has high marketshare there. | Dec 23 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i wondered the same but never saw pie charts | Dec 23 13:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.202101/mxsurvey.html | Dec 23 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.securityspace.com | Mail (MX) Server Survey | Dec 23 13:57 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | Microsoft 1,690 0.31% | Dec 23 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Exim 332,908 60.28% | Dec 23 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Postfix 179,315 32.47% | Dec 23 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ... | Dec 23 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | There's a long tail of oddball mail servers, M$ being among them. | Dec 23 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.202111/mxsurvey.html | Dec 23 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | more recently ^ | Dec 23 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.securityspace.com | Mail (MX) Server Survey | Dec 23 14:00 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | Microsoft 1,364 0.26% | Dec 23 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Exim 306,492 59.52% | Dec 23 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Postfix 172,824 33.56% | Dec 23 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ... | Dec 23 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there's a bit of variation back and forth with exim and postfix, but | Dec 23 14:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I mean there's a bit of variation up and down with exim and postfix, but | Dec 23 14:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | their relative positions are stable. Strangely there are about 3.5 % using | Dec 23 14:05 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sendmail still. Those must be *old* sites. | Dec 23 14:05 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ok, refresh draft page, see footnote | Dec 23 14:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | probably ellipsis between the M$ lines and the postfix+exim block, there | Dec 23 14:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | are others in between as M$ is part ofthe long tail | Dec 23 14:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of oddball mail servers | Dec 23 14:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I have just rewarded the first sentence a little | Dec 23 14:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Dec 23 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | reoiwrded | Dec 23 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | reworded | Dec 23 14:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | also expand on the remark about Windows being less efficient and requiring | Dec 23 14:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | more M$ systems in order to get the same level of service as with regular | Dec 23 14:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | systems. | Dec 23 14:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | buying relevance also includes M$ Teams, I presume | Dec 23 14:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08/29/microsoft-to-acquire-parlano/ | Dec 23 14:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Microsoft to Acquire Parlano - Stories | Dec 23 14:19 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "FAST:> | Dec 23 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | What was therir name | Dec 23 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Noirwegian company? | Dec 23 14:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Trolltech was the only Norwegian company that comes to mind but that is not | Dec 23 14:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | related to this topic (AFAIK) | Dec 23 14:21 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | nm, I was thinking of search https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-sells-off-part-of-its-fast-enterprise-search-acquisition/ | Dec 23 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.zdnet.com | Microsoft sells off part of its FAST enterprise-search acquisition | ZDNet | Dec 23 14:22 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/mindalign-im-alignment-you-need | Dec 23 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/mindalign-im-alignment-you-need ) | Dec 23 14:22 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | I almost recall. ... thinking ... | Dec 23 14:23 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | https://web.archive.org/web/20200804174709/https://news.microsoft.com/2007/08 https://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/mindalign-im-alignment-you-need | Dec 23 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | August | 2007 | News Center | Dec 23 14:23 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.socialmediatoday.com | MindAlign, the IM alignment you need | Social Media Today | Dec 23 14:23 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://techcrunch.com/2008/07/03/did-the-enron-of-norway-pull-a-fast-one-on-microsoft-more-details-about-the-mess-at-fast-search-transfer/ | Dec 23 14:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The question of debt loading makes some of these acquisitions quite intriguing | Dec 23 14:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The destruction of Mojang was obviously to keep a generation of kids off of | Dec 23 14:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | GNU/Linux by locking out Minecraft. Other than that, they'll never recover | Dec 23 14:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | their large investment (purchase price) on that one. However, many of the | Dec 23 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techcrunch.com | Did the "Enron of Norway" Pull a Fast One On Microsoft? More Details About the Mess at Fast Search & Transfer – TechCrunch | Dec 23 14:29 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | others were probably bought with two purposes in mind, 1) crush a small | Dec 23 14:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | potential competitor early on, 2) offload massive debt. | Dec 23 14:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://techcrunch.com/2008/07/03/did-the-enron-of-norway-pull-a-fast-one-on-microsoft-more-details-about-the-me | Dec 23 14:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.businessinsider.com/microsofts-15-biggest-acquisitions-and-what-happened-to-them-2011-3 | Dec 23 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | Microsoft: the 15 Biggest Acquisitions and What Happened to Them | Dec 23 14:29 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | adding another footnote | Dec 23 14:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | see first footnote | Dec 23 14:43 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ellipsis still needed | Dec 23 14:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | for clarity | Dec 23 14:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i do not wish to edit their image. I added the numbers anywau | Dec 23 14:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | should be plain text though? | Dec 23 15:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | cleaned up many typos and published. There might still be typos. gemini will poicm up the figures | Dec 23 15:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | <p>In numbers:</p> | Dec 23 15:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | <pre> | Dec 23 15:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Exim 60.28% | Dec 23 15:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Postfix 32.47% | Dec 23 15:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | . . . | Dec 23 15:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Microsoft 0.31% | Dec 23 15:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | </pre> | Dec 23 15:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | back in a bit | Dec 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | now I know what you meant. amended twice. | Dec 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | http://techrights.org/wiki/Facebook | Dec 23 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Facebook - Techrights | Dec 23 15:29 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | back | Dec 23 16:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | thanks | Dec 23 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | btw, rianne and I will send money later this month in your name. no need to send us anything, I want to ensure our host feels moral support for both admins. | Dec 23 16:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ok thanks but I can send some amount | Dec 23 16:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | his work is definitely appreciated even if it cannot be compensated adequately | Dec 23 16:10 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | economically. | Dec 23 16:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok thanks but I can send some amount | Dec 23 16:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | his work is definitely appreciated even if it cannot be compensated adequately | Dec 23 16:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | economically. | Dec 23 16:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | thanks | Dec 23 16:18 |
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| schestowitz__[TR] | potential source to inspire us (we can have our own, but ideas are there, e.g. how to 'colour' the diffs): gemini://git.skyjake.fi:1968/ | Dec 23 17:47 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Dec 23 17:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | interesting, though I see no colors | Dec 23 17:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | yes, it emulates this under the assumption some clients use different colours for code bits | Dec 23 17:50 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Dec 23 23:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | best to avoid gimicks and focus on raw text | Dec 23 23:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | text is readable across all clients | Dec 23 23:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | afk | Dec 23 23:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | re gemini, yes, hacks and client-specific things ought to be avoided | Dec 23 23:16 |
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