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| schestowitz | terminating bot, new version ready http://techrights.org/videos/Gates6Depo.ogg | Feb 24 01:49 |
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| TechrightsBN | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.77 | Feb 24 01:50 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wKu13wmHog | Feb 24 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7wKu13wmHog | Feb 24 01:51 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> yewtu.be | Kung Fu Mantis Vs Jumping Spider | Life Story | BBC - Invidious | Feb 24 01:51 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | i have changed traffic shaper on the gemini server | Feb 24 08:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | I also made a full system backup overnight | Feb 24 08:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | we added the irc bot to git | Feb 24 08:54 |
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| schestowitz-TR | did the changes to tc impede the script taking the irc bits? | Feb 24 09:24 |
| Techrights-sec | there was a brief outage here | Feb 24 10:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was also going to ask, should I start adding links to Daily Links which are gemini:// ? | Feb 24 10:01 |
| Techrights-sec | Not sure yet. Maybe it is a good idea to have a few each day but not so manyyet. | Feb 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe a separate section in the bottom of the list of Links? | Feb 24 10:02 |
| Techrights-sec | . | Feb 24 10:03 |
| Techrights-sec | That would work. | Feb 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will think how to do this... | Feb 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | would that fit into the taxonomy ok if added after leftovers at the | Feb 24 10:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | same depath level as leftovers? | Feb 24 10:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't want to add a whole new block just for gemini | Feb 24 10:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | as I dsoubt it would have more than half a dozem items per day | Feb 24 10:06 |
| Techrights-sec | The taxonomy is currently by subject, not protocol. So the way to fit it | Feb 24 10:07 |
| Techrights-sec | in would be to just plae it according to topic. Maybe prefix the link with | Feb 24 10:07 |
| Techrights-sec | a Gemini symbol. That can be done in CSS can't it? | Feb 24 10:07 |
| Techrights-sec | The taxonomy is currently by subject, not protocol. So the way to fit it | Feb 24 10:07 |
| Techrights-sec | in would be to just plae it according to topic. Maybe prefix the link with | Feb 24 10:07 |
| Techrights-sec | a Gemini symbol. That can be done in CSS can't it? | Feb 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will check if the selector can be for protoco, rather than domain | Feb 24 10:07 |
| Techrights-sec | The protocol is just a string and the pattern if it can be done by pattern is | Feb 24 10:09 |
| Techrights-sec | anchored to the beginning of the href attribute. | Feb 24 10:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | i am going to run some tests | Feb 24 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | may take a bit of time | Feb 24 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | at some point we might want to add our custom-made wordpress "theme" (php) and | Feb 24 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | css to git as well, but that would need a new grouping | Feb 24 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | i've just corrected something which has long bothered me | Feb 24 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | httpS://techrights.org links won't have external site icon next to them | Feb 24 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights | Feb 24 10:22 | |
| schestowitz-TR | now let's try gemini | Feb 24 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are many blog posts that already have gemini:// links in them, not just the | Feb 24 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | IRC posts | Feb 24 10:22 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Feb 24 10:22 |
| Techrights-sec | That would probably be good. I'm not familiar enough with WordPress to suggest | Feb 24 10:22 |
| Techrights-sec | a directory hiearchy name. MAybe it should reflect the directory hiearchy used | Feb 24 10:22 |
| Techrights-sec | by WordPress. Or are the CSS not in static files? | Feb 24 10:22 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Feb 24 10:22 |
| Techrights-sec | excellent | Feb 24 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | should I use some fancy unicode or little gif? could use asnimated, too | Feb 24 10:26 |
| Techrights-sec | Just the unicode symbol would be the least intrusive way. Just a second. | Feb 24 10:27 |
| Techrights-sec | It's U+264A | Feb 24 10:27 |
| schestowitz | OK, go to https://techrights.org/2021/11/19/gemini-protocol-usage-is-growing/ CTRL+R to flush out css, see first two gemini links | Feb 24 10:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | For the Second Month in a Row, Almost Half a Million Page Requests Over Gemini Protocol (gemini://) | Techrights | Feb 24 10:38 | |
| Techrights-sec | ♊ in decimal; | Feb 24 10:38 |
| Techrights-sec | ♊ as hexadecimal; | Feb 24 10:38 |
| Techrights-sec | The ::before selector might not work with the escaped hex or decimal codes. | Feb 24 10:39 |
| Techrights-sec | So it might be necessary to just paste in the symbol itself. | Feb 24 10:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | should I push the "theme" to git and exclude images? | Feb 24 10:58 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Feb 24 10:58 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, exclude images. | Feb 24 10:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | later I will do a video, then some article, about us starting to add gemini:// | Feb 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | News Picks, gradually | Feb 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | and show how they are distinguished | Feb 24 11:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | the code assopciated with it | Feb 24 11:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | is already in 'view source' | Feb 24 11:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I will make a category for site | Feb 24 11:00 |
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| schestowitz-TR | is there a way to suppress trailing whitespace warnings? | Feb 24 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | there's like hundreds of them obstructing me from committin the php files | Feb 24 11:18 |
| schestowitz | find . -type f -exec sed -i 's/ *$//' '{}' ';' | Feb 24 11:38 |
| schestowitz | find . -not \( -name .svn -prune -o -name .git -prune \) -type f -print0 | xargs sed -i 's/ *$//' '{}' ';' | Feb 24 11:38 |
| schestowitz | and various other things did not do a good enough job removing those trailing spaces | Feb 24 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | At the end I used: sed -i 's/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:*$//' FILE | Feb 24 11:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | :space:*$// - Search results - Wikipedia | Feb 24 11:54 | |
| schestowitz | oops | Feb 24 11:55 |
| schestowitz | konversation being clever | Feb 24 11:55 |
| schestowitz | [[ :space: ]] | Feb 24 11:55 |
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| Techrights-sec | yes the way is to remove the tailing whitespace ;) | Feb 24 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | there are pre-commit hooks which you can configure. The whitespaces can | Feb 24 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | be caused by either tabs or actual spaces so the pattern has to take those into a | Feb 24 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | ccount. | Feb 24 12:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Please see this post for an official update, and please follow that account for future updates: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/537493b07655013ae0f352540086c3e0 | Feb 24 12:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Feb 24 12:21 | |
| schestowitz | Doc Edward Morbius | Feb 24 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago | Feb 24 12:21 |
| schestowitz | The update post as an interactable URL for Diaspora* users: | Feb 24 12:21 |
| schestowitz | An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com. | Feb 24 12:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 12:21 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896 | Feb 24 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.fene ... | Feb 24 12:22 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLab | Feb 24 12:22 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLab | Feb 24 12:22 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas · GitLab | Feb 24 12:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/537493b07655013ae0f352540086c3e0 | Feb 24 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com | Feb 24 12:25 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Hello everyone. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | This is a message from the diaspora* Project Core Team, in collaboration with Lukas, the current administrator of JoinDiaspora. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | We know it’s been silent for a while, and everyone with an account on JoinDiaspora has been waiting for an update on what is going to happen with the pod in the near future. We have been busy in the background, and we now have a plan ready that we are happy to announce to everyone. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | We will explain everything in more detail below, but here is a short summary of what is going to happen: | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | On Friday, March 4th, at around 20:00 UTC, JoinDiaspora will go down for a long maintenance break. We cannot yet estimate how long this will take. We will use that time to move JoinDiaspora and its data from infrastructure maintained by Feneas to infrastructure maintained by the diaspora* Core Team. This work will not resolve existing issues with exporting account data. Our work on the export feature will start at a later time, see below. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | When maintenance is completed, JoinDiaspora will be available again in a limited-service mode. In this mode, you will no longer be able to read or write posts or comments. However, you will be able to manage your account, and you will be able to export your account data. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | While this will be a big task for us, you do not need to do anything right now. We know that some of you have been having trouble exporting your profile and contents, but please refrain from using scrapers or similar means to copy your data. We will make sure that everyone who wants to receive an export will have the chance to do so once maintenance of the pod has been completed. Using scrapers and other means of automated downloading at this | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | point will only cause excessive server load that’s not conducive to our work and the system’s reliability as a whole. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Why is the maintenance break and the infrastructure move required? | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Feneas is winding down operations, including the operation of its services. A lot of people are concerned about losing their long-standing account data, and we wanted to help out if we possible could. We want to be able to offer everyone a long grace period to download the profile archives and eventually migrate to a new pod, but we cannot do that with the current infrastructure, as the diaspora* Core Team is not in control. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | JoinDiaspora is a big pod, and moving all the data over to a different setup will take a long time. We cannot start this process without shutting down the pod, as the only way to guarantee full data consistency with minimal effort is to turn off the pod. We’ll also use the time to make sure that the pod is updated to the latest code version, and that the general environment is up to date. This will make our future work easier. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | While we will prepare as much as possible, moving the final set of data and getting the pod running on the new hosts will take some time, and we cannot make any guarantees about when the pod will be available again. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Why can’t you just continue running JoinDiaspora as a full pod? | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | We’re aware that some of you would like us to keep running JoinDiaspora as-is, and you’re not happy to learn that this is not going to happen. We feel you. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | JoinDiaspora is not just an old pod, it’s the oldest pod out there. JoinDiaspora started as a demo-instance, created by the original project team, and it continued its life as the most widely known pod, and one of the biggest. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | diaspora* looked a lot different back then. Not only was the interface completely overhauled multiple times, the internals were as well. JoinDiaspora and its data went through lots of different database concepts, database engines, code architectures, schema changes … and all of that has taken a toll. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Some of the architectural changes from the past has left parts of JoinDiaspora’s internal data structures in an inconsistent state. The project team is aware of lots of small and weird bugs and inconsistencies that are specific to JoinDiaspora only, and it’s hard, if not impossible, to address them all. The older JoinDiaspora gets, the harder it becomes to maintain. There is already a set of JoinDiaspora-specific workarounds in place that | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | allow it to work at all, and those will only grow larger over time. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | As a project team, we have a lot of experience with debugging the “weird edge cases” of diaspora*, and we’ve also helped a number of old pods to fix their internal data. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | After careful evaluation and lots of internal discussion, we concluded that “fixing” and continuing to run JoinDiaspora is not feasable. All good things must come to an end eventually, and JoinDiaspora has unfortunately reached that point. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | I am currently not able to export my data. What will happen to my profile? | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Some of you are currently unable to export your profile data. You might either see an error message, or it might look like nothing is happening at all. We are aware of this. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | After the infrastructure migration is completed, we will start investigating the issues with account exports. Everyone who wants a data export will get one. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | If you’re currently facing issues, please do not keep retrying the export over and over again. Please don’t use automated tools like scrapers to manually acquire a copy of your data. Doing so will only cause exessive server load, which only makes our work even harder. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | As we don’t know what’s actually causing the export issues and how we can best fix them, this work will take some time. For each export, we have to observe its progress and intervene manually if errors arise. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | We don’t know how long it will take, but everyone will get their account data exported. | Feb 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | How long will I have to export my data? | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Our current intention is to keep JoinDiaspora running at least until the profile migration feature has been released to a stable version of diaspora* and a significant number of pods have updated to it. This will give everyone who has an account on JoinDiaspora the chance to migrate their old account to an account on a new pod. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | We are unable to offer a timeline or an estimate, but we will update everyone when an update is warranted. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | I do not consent to the diaspora* Project Team handling my profile data. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | If you do not consent to the project team handling your profile data as part of this migration, please head to your account settings and click the “close account” button. This will irrevocably delete your personal data. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Where will you post future updates? | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | We have created this diaspora* account, joindiaspora-sunset@pod.diaspora.software, specifically for this purpose. Any updates we have will be shared as posts via this account. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | You can read posts from this account even if you do not have a diaspora* account yourself by accessing this account’s public profile using this link. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | I have a question or concern that’s not answered here. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | If you start sharing with this account, it will automatically share back with you. This allows you to send private messages to this account, which we will answer as soon as possible. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Alternatively, you can write an email to joindiaspora-sunset@diasporafoundation.org. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Please be patient while we work on resolving this situation. We’ll do our best to help you all move smoothly to a new home of your choice, as soon as we can. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | What will happen with the domain? It could be used for a general landing page for Diaspora in general. I think it would a shame if some domain grabber fetched it. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team - a day ago | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | @Michael Vogel Yes, domain grabbers (and people who might try to snitch the domain for malicious purposes) have been a concern to us. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | The domain has been transferred to the project team. Even in the far future, when all users had a chance to migrate away and we finally turn off JoinDiaspora, we will continue holding that domain, and we’ll host a landing page that explains JD has been shut down and links to the project website. | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Doc Edward Morbius | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago | Feb 24 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Archives of this post (comments to the time of submission only at Archive.Today): | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/537493b07655013ae0f352540086c3e0 | Feb 24 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine | Feb 24 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | Archive Today: https://archive.is/jSxbU | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Doc Edward Morbius | Feb 24 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.is | An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com | Feb 24 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | @The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team Thanks, this is a good communication and a reasonable adjudication of the Joindiaspora pod. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | My principle concerns are | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Data export requests for those experiencing issues. Largely addressed | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Domain status after sunset. Largely addressed | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Account migration. Paritally addressed | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Permanent data archival. Partially addressed | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | The propspect of a “designated successor” account feature for Diaspora* generally (e.g., Account A on Pod X has a designated successor of Account B on Pod Y.), and there is a system awareness of this in terms of permissions and data access. Future goals, not immediately applicable | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Data export | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Measures discussed seem to address this. As a possible metric, identifying how many users are affected by failed requests would be a good metric. I suspect this is a small number of cases. I’ve noted that 6-month and 30-day active users are ~1,600 and ~500, of some 350k registered profiles, or about 0.5% of total registered profiles. Most inactives likely have little interest in preservation. Even numerous actives have stated as much. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Domain status | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Retaining control over the Joindiaspora.Com domain name would avoid issues with poachers, squatters, or worse. That is addressed above. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Data Archival | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | There are sites which archive Web content, most notably the Internet Archive (IA) and Archive.Today (AT). These vary in capabilities and automation. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Individual users can submit their own content. I’ve written tools for automated submission using jq and a simple shell script, see Diaspora Migration Tips and Questions Thread. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/e0b4d980545c013a0103448a5b29e257 | Feb 24 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | Diaspora Migration Tips and Questions Thread | Feb 24 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | Presumably the site could arrange for a bulk archival or data transfer. This is a stretch goal for which I’d like to assess interest and/or possibility. In particular, building in tools to support this could aid in future Pod transitions, and is a Diaspora* development prospect. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | A stub server might not directly serve former JoindiasporaCom content itself but instead link to actual or possible IA / AT links, which can be automatically constructed based on host + GUID. I"ve written a few personal tools using #jq, see especially Create an Index-Archive of posts from an archive. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/ed03bc1063a0013a2ccc448a5b29e257 | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | In particular, it’s possible to automate submissions to the Internet Archive, or to arrange for a special collection to be created. I believe working through either the Archive itself (mailto:info@archive.org) or the Archive Team would be appropriate for this. ArchiveTeam are an independent group which saves existing Internet content, and are aware of the pending Joindiaspora shutdown, see Deathwatch | Feb 24 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | My current jq project: create a Diaspora post-abstracter | Feb 24 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Deathwatch | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Note that the Internet Archive Wayback Machine does not archive comments. A special collection presumably could. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.archiveteam.org | Deathwatch - Archiveteam | Feb 24 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | Archive.Today does include comments but lacks an automated submission mechanism so far as I’m aware. I’m in contact with the site administrator on other issues and will enquire as to the possibility. I’ve been manually submitting many of may own ~2,000 or so posts. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Compare: | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/*/https://joindiaspora.com/posts/99e9bbf0b73d0138507d002590d8e506 | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Archive.Today: https://archive.is/https://joindiaspora.com/posts/99e9bbf0b73d0138507d002590d8e506 | Feb 24 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine | Feb 24 12:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.is | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/99e9bbf0b73d0138507d002590d8e506: ‘I’m sorry, but it’s a fantasy’: Jeff Gregorich, superintendent, on… | Feb 24 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | Account Migration | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Providing data import capabilities would be a huge benefit. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Presently, there is no formal support, merely creation of a new account on the same or a new pod, and indication by the owner of those accounts that these are to be used. There’s no support for migrating followers, data, or block/ignore lists. The process is susceptible to impersonation attacks (e.g., #IvanZlax). Old posts should remain visible if federated, but lose any owner-moderation capabilities. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Data migration would be a step up from this and would permit re-populating a successor account with content and followers from a previous account, or accounts. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | “Designated Successor” support | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | A “Designated Successor” feature would enable both old and new accounts to formally indicate that there is a relationship, which could include preserving access to and control over private posts and messages. The successor would have moderation rights over the predecessor’s posts and comments. This isn’t likely for the Joindiaspora shutdown but might be of interest for future development. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | There are some related issues with pod continuity and transfer which have also arisen of late, and will likely do so in future. Again, matters for future development or management guidelines. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team - a day ago | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Please use this thread for questions you have, and please respect the other folks who want to consume this thread as well, so keep it short. There is no reason to repeat stuff that has been already said. | Feb 24 12:45 |
| schestowitz | There are sites which archive Web content, most notably the Internet Archive (IA) and Archive.Today (AT). These vary in capabilities and automation. Individual users can submit their own content. I’ve written tools for automated submission using jq and a simple shell script, see Diaspora Migration Tips and Questions Thread. | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | We stated very explicitly that we do not suggest - or even condemn - the use of automated tools. Doing so will only cause excessive server load, which only makes our work even harder. | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | We will not be uploading anything anywhere. The point of diaspora* is to enable users to have control over their data, and this control includes the ability to use the delete button. If someone wants to build a tool that reads the exported archive and builds a static-blog out of it, cool. But if someone decides they do not want to have that done to their data and instead want everything deleted, then we have to accept that as well. | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | It’s not our authority to make decisions over other people’s data. | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Account Migration […] “Designated Successor” support | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Please read up on how diaspora*s migration feature is designed. A good starting point for that is the main account migration thread on Discourse, as well as the protocol specification, and all the discussions and issues that have been linked in that thread. If you have questions around that feature and its design, Discourse is also the perfect please to raise those. | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | We said that we plan to offer the ability for everyone to migrate their accounts when the migration feature is fully built and released, and we mean that. We don’t know when that will happen, but it will happen. | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Doc Edward Morbius | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Doc Edward Morbius - a day ago | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | @The JoinDiaspora Sunset Team Thanks, that’s clear. Just making my own views known. | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 12:54 |
| schestowitz | I have attempted to comment in the new thread, but it's in another pod, which does not permit account creation (even for commenting), so I must update here. | Feb 24 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Thank you for extending your efforts to enable all of us to export the data. Sad that millions of URLs will become dead links, but that's how the Web works, esp. with the "everything as database" mindset. It's not made to ensure as well as static sites. | Feb 24 12:54 |
| schestowitz | My concern is a bit different. If I was able to export all my posts (my own account and the "Linux" account), and knowing this data is large, would other pods be able to import this very large data? Would that not exceed file size limits, time out and so on? | Feb 24 12:54 |
| schestowitz | We need to send the message that Diaspora is federated and that federation means your data is safe. I've spent over 10 years on this. | Feb 24 12:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 12:54 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896 | Feb 24 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.fene ... | Feb 24 12:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLab | Feb 24 12:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLab | Feb 24 12:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas · GitLab | Feb 24 12:55 | |
| schestowitz-TR | joindiaspoira will be shutting down after all | Feb 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | all they offer is, we'll help you export | Feb 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | I asked, will I be able to import elsewhere? | Feb 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is crap | Feb 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | web is crap | Feb 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is also why I try to meticulously keep static copies/files of thinmgs I post | Feb 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | and to some degree comments I get | Feb 24 13:13 |
| Techrights-sec | :( | Feb 24 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec | With a paper journal or magazine or newspaper if there were a milliion subscriber | Feb 24 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec | s any one of them could keep a copy of their own with each site being centralized | Feb 24 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec | it takes only one person to pull the plug on the million subscribers; | Feb 24 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Feb 24 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will do 4 videos | Feb 24 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) red aht hiring from microsoft | Feb 24 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) joindiarpoa | Feb 24 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3) epo (good news) | Feb 24 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | 4) gemini in Daily Links | Feb 24 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | i don't know if I should borhter with ANY social media anymore | Feb 24 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe best to focus on TR and IRC | Feb 24 13:28 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | Regarding the first topic, businesses are not being clever by hiring microsfoters | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | . Thy are not hiring talent rather the opposite and on top of that they are | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | bringing in their worst opponent inside their perimiter. | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | Social control media is mostly a waste of time and the rest of it is just | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | manipulation. Studies on Facebook usage have shown again and again that there | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | is no safe level of exposure. Howevr, the worst part of all is that mainstream | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | news consider social control media a news source and government officials | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | consider it an acceptable replacement for official channels of communication, | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | such as web sites. Both groups mistake it for a communications medium, when | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | it is all about manipulation. The very few that acknowledge even one of those | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | point all appear to consider (wrongly) themselves immune to the adverse effects. | Feb 24 13:32 |
| Techrights-sec | Which they are not. | Feb 24 13:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 13:35 |
| schestowitz | I’ve spent over 10 years on this. | Feb 24 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Same here, I just was reading my earliest messages and yes they are 11 years old :( | Feb 24 13:35 |
| schestowitz | The backup if I understand correctly will only be for the posts I made in my profile. All the comments are lost. Now that its confirmed that the pod will not survive there is no way mails will survive. I did change email addresses in the mean time so they are all not in one place. | Feb 24 13:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Aside from that, email notifications have not worked in over a year. So even though I have hundreds of thousands of JD emails, they're not a complete trail of messages I received. I'm about to do video/article about this topic, still hoping that after a migration from Hertzer the site itself can be kept up, even as read-onyl. | Feb 24 13:36 |
| schestowitz | *only | Feb 24 13:36 |
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| schestowitz-TR | it is too early for me and rianne (Tuxmachines) to make a decision on socioal | Feb 24 13:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | control media as a whole, as I wish to first understand if imposrting | Feb 24 13:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | to another pod is at all a possibility | Feb 24 13:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | they make spec assuptions, like accunts not exceeding some threshold | Feb 24 13:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | I want to remind you that | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) I lost everything in identi.ca | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | Then, even link shorteners died | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | including the ones used in "tweets" | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3) I lost 3 accounts in "fediverse" | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3) I quit using Gab | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | 4) MINDS had me fighting a few times to get the account backl | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | 5) Same with Twitter | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | 6) Now JD does the same as (2) | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | You could say, sorry Einstein, doing the same thing all over again | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | and expecting a better outcome, is just insanity at this point | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'd rather produce things I can keep onlioe as long as I wish and can | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | Not post some transient, volastile stufF | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | AND CHECK FOR TYPOS AND ALL | Feb 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | THOUGH IT'LL TURN TO ASHES YEARSD LATER | Feb 24 13:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | oops, cps | Feb 24 13:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | *Caps | Feb 24 13:45 |
| Techrights-sec | ouch | Feb 24 13:45 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, link shorteners have a short life span I and others warned about them | Feb 24 13:45 |
| Techrights-sec | from day one. They also impose a privacy problem. | Feb 24 13:45 |
| Techrights-sec | And an authenticity problem and a general security problems. | Feb 24 13:45 |
| Techrights-sec | It's all transient, social control media is the worst of the transient effects. | Feb 24 13:45 |
| Techrights-sec | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass | Feb 24 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | This too shall pass - Wikipedia | Feb 24 13:45 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I have just posted Daily LKinks | Feb 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will do 4 videos in a row shortly | Feb 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | then lots of writing about these | Feb 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne is catching up with links tfor TM | Feb 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm off work till Sat eve | Feb 24 13:46 |
| Techrights-sec | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Sutra#Summary_of_the_sutra | Feb 24 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Heart Sutra - Wikipedia | Feb 24 13:46 | |
| Techrights-sec | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence | Feb 24 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Impermanence - Wikipedia | Feb 24 13:47 | |
| Techrights-sec | That's a couple of days. Any tasks to try to work on between now and then? | Feb 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | we did some stuff for irc, with git added, last night | Feb 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think we'll still do links and all as usual. just not sure twitter and chums will be part of the circulation | Feb 24 13:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | the short story is, this would certainly mean less teraffic | Feb 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | but, it would also means less time spoent | Feb 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | and potentially more stuff created in ther site, faster | Feb 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | which can compensate for the hits from "Social" 'biotnets' | Feb 24 14:02 |
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| schestowitz-TR | done 4 videos | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | forgot what I wanted to tewll you | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it was not so important anyway | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | otherwise I would have asked | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will do the text now | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | one unrelated (to the above) point was, | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | social control media is waning in general | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | no need to wait untikl it dies | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | seeing the general direction | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | if I can recsall what IU wanted to tell you, I will update here | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | this year I started taking some voice memos | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | the problem is, | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | now even the very very fine level an unimportant things | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | I still try to recall, knowing they were not imp[ortant anyway | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | social control media became a noise machjines | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some news sites like BBC tried to emulate these | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | so when you go to these 'news' sites | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are distractions arll around | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | which pains the brain and makes it har dot concenteate -- | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | incidentially a subject Mogeln spoke about years ago | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh yeah!! | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know what I wanted to ask or day | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | in theoruy,, if we abandon all social contrtol media account | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | we can then rewrite out code which makes hashtags to instead say [Pakiatain Medis | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | a] | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | or [New York Times] | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | For archival in IRC etc. | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | in fast, it would make sense to add source name prior to headline | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | example | Feb 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | <a href"nytimes.com/.article">[New York Times] Title</a></li<....3~4~ | Feb 24 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | added first draft | Feb 24 15:50 |
| Techrights-sec | yes it should be easy to make that change to the output | Feb 24 15:51 |
| Techrights-sec | The module to look up the host name / hash tag can be included in the | Feb 24 15:51 |
| Techrights-sec | in a different way. | Feb 24 15:51 |
| Techrights-sec | ok. it took 5 minutes to make the change, should I push to Git? | Feb 24 15:51 |
| Techrights-sec | Or just keep it for later? | Feb 24 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | keep the change on hold while I await reply from diaspora people | Feb 24 15:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | on two issues: 1|) import 2) preservation | Feb 24 15:51 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Feb 24 15:56 |
| Techrights-sec | XPaths and valid, wellformed HTML rock | Feb 24 15:56 |
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| Techrights-sec | what should be done, if anyting, about looking for links within Mastodon? | Feb 24 16:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was maybe temporarily worthy... like 5 years ago when it was post-peak | Feb 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | mastodon and other such sites are low bang-for-the-buck | Feb 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | there | Feb 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | are more efficient ways to find stuff with hiugher value | Feb 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | like links to academic papers | Feb 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | rather than showerthoughts ina "toot" | Feb 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | if the showerthoughtn is worth a damn, write an article with it | Feb 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | if not, do what dihgital vegan does | Feb 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | take a note, ina text file | Feb 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | then integrate it into a strongly-stated essay | Feb 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896#b3875d1077b3013ae0f552540086c3e0 | Feb 24 16:38 |
| schestowitz | "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896#b3875d1077b3013ae0f552540086c3e0" | Feb 24 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.fene ... | Feb 24 16:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLab | Feb 24 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt · master · Feneas / association · GitLab | Feb 24 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | I have attempted to comment in the new thread, but it’s in another pod, which does not permit account creation (even for commenting), so I must update here. | Feb 24 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas · GitLab | Feb 24 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | Use this link to access the post via your pod. That works, and that allows you to comment - as opposed to the diaspora.glasswings.com-specific link Morbius posted for whatever reason. | Feb 24 16:38 |
| schestowitz | If I was able to export all my posts (my own account and the “Linux” account), and knowing this data is large, would other pods be able to import this very large data? Would that not exceed file size limits, time out and so on? | Feb 24 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Account migrations should work just fine, regardless of how old and large the account is. If that’s not the case, then that’d be a fixable bug. Give it a try when the feature is eventually deployed, and if it fails for you, let us know. | Feb 24 16:38 |
| schestowitz | The backup if I understand correctly will only be for the posts I made in my profile. All the comments are lost. | Feb 24 16:38 |
| schestowitz | The account export archive includes comments you made under other people’s posts, as well as the comments other people made under your posts. | Feb 24 16:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 24 16:38 |
| schestowitz | This sounds reassuring. Thank you. | Feb 24 16:38 |
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| schestowitz-TR | it would help to replace social control medua URLs | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | with more gemini:// essays | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't know how well amfora is managing subscriptions | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | crtrl+a iirc | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | but we need more stuff from there | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | to 'rewards' people who write good stuff there | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | re JD and Twitter etc. | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | JS is being nice to me | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I cannot promise to carry on | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | i think for our credibility we ought to siugnal people to move to self-hosting | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and for that thery need SIMPLE things | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | no dbs and shit | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | they won't be able to handle that in the long run, unlike static fgiles | Feb 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | like gophere | Feb 24 18:57 |
| Techrights-sec | yes self hosting BBought to be encouraged whenever possible for as long as it | Feb 24 19:05 |
| Techrights-sec | remains legal. | Feb 24 19:05 |
| Techrights-sec | Perhaps it can be kept legal if enough people (re-)gain awarness of how | Feb 24 19:05 |
| Techrights-sec | useful and easy it is. | Feb 24 19:05 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Feb 24 19:12 |
| Techrights-sec | could use a link to the list of Gemini clients, that link is worth repeating | Feb 24 19:12 |
| Techrights-sec | often | Feb 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | added | Feb 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | draft | Feb 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | today rianne picked up some roses for half price | Feb 24 19:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the next month's videos will likely have them in the bg | Feb 24 19:14 |
| Techrights-sec | Sounds like an improved background. | Feb 24 19:16 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks! | Feb 24 19:16 |
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| Techrights-sec | I wonder if there is a way to get the various Gemini client authors intereste | Feb 24 19:22 |
| Techrights-sec | in packaging for Debian? It is upstream for hundreds of derivative distros. | Feb 24 19:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | ack | Feb 24 19:23 |
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