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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Increased 68.44% So Far This Month 24 03:05
-TechrightsBN/ » Blog Archive » Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Increased 68.44% So Far This MonthJun 24 03:05
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Techrights-sec2a US senator posted some draft legislation to GitHub.  -1 for it being onJun 24 05:34
Techrights-sec2GitHub but +1000 for it being in Git at all.  That is the way it should be doneJun 24 05:34
Techrights-sec2It gets lawmaking not just out in the open but the workflow can make it legibleJun 24 05:34
Techrights-sec2But for those reasons the approach will be heavily attackedJun 24 05:34
Techrights-sec2a US senator posted some draft legislation to GitHub.  -1 for it being onJun 24 05:34
Techrights-sec2GitHub but +1000 for it being in Git at all.  That is the way it should be doneJun 24 05:34
Techrights-sec2It gets lawmaking not just out in the open but the workflow can make it legibleJun 24 05:34
Techrights-sec2But for those reasons the approach will be heavily attackedJun 24 05:34
schestowitz-TRMicrosoft can now interfere directly, no need for lobbyistsJun 24 05:35
schestowitz-TRthey can censor people with CoC etcJun 24 05:35
Techrights-sec2yes the right way would be for the congress to host its own Git service and ownJun 24 05:49
Techrights-sec2issue trackerJun 24 05:49
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schestowitz-TRdo you find the latest epo coverage illumating wrt the issues?Jun 24 06:51
schestowitz-TRor do you suggest improving it for general audiences?Jun 24 06:51
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Techrights-sec2checkingJun 24 07:18
Techrights-sec2some additional general audience posts would help.  the current ones are goodJun 24 07:18
Techrights-sec2of course but some specifically made for general audiences would always Jun 24 07:18
Techrights-sec2be beneficial for outreachJun 24 07:18
Techrights-sec2I'm starting to see just how catastrophic the reduction in skilled / knowledgeable ICT people is world-wide; There are few to none forthcoming through offJun 24 07:18
Techrights-sec2icialJun 24 07:18
Techrights-sec2channels and many of the official pipelines are set up to cull out people withJun 24 07:18
Techrights-sec2interest + talent so that only microsoft resellers remain with credentialsJun 24 07:18
schestowitz-TRyou say "resellers"Jun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRin my experience, it's not limited to "Microsoft"Jun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRbut buzzwords and cargo cults like SaaS (outSaarCing) and clownJun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRwhich means there is lessened likelihood of companies having any infra at allJun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRnever mind the fake security BSJun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRwhich I am starting to loathe more and moreJun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRseems like more and more data collection/spyingJun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRsold to us as "security"Jun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TReven at shopsJun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRre epo, we have a intro you wrote in 2011, still at top of wiki listingsJun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRbeing a wiki, it can be expanded uponJun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRmain barrier is lack of media participationJun 24 07:21
schestowitz-TRwe cannot bribe or "buy" space like EPO or LF or Microsoft/ICBMJun 24 07:21
Techrights-sec2yes but occasional summaries of current events, tying them to the old intro, Jun 24 07:22
Techrights-sec2would be attractive; the logical fallacy 'appeal to novelty' is validJun 24 07:22
Techrights-sec2yes lack of media participation is still a  problem but they won't look at "old"Jun 24 07:22
Techrights-sec2news only "new" news so the posts have to be new Jun 24 07:22
schestowitz-TRSnowden leaks are "old" :)Jun 24 07:24
schestowitz-TRWW2 is "old"Jun 24 07:24
schestowitz-TREsptein's circle is "old"Jun 24 07:24
schestowitz-TRBTW, good news about netflixJun 24 07:24
schestowitz-TRall those bubbleCorps need to dieJun 24 07:24
schestowitz-TRnot get bailed outJun 24 07:24
schestowitz-TRmake no money?Jun 24 07:24
schestowitz-TRthen WTF are you still doing in business?Jun 24 07:24
schestowitz-TRyou are a yoke!Jun 24 07:24
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-TechrightsBN/ | Appeal to NoveltyJun 24 07:24
schestowitz-TRTR has at least two articles about "appeal to novelty"Jun 24 07:26
schestowitz-TRand also some memesJun 24 07:26
schestowitz-TRwith examples of how "new" means worse than what we had beforeJun 24 07:26
schestowitz-TRytalk is better than a lot of "chat" "apps"Jun 24 07:26
schestowitz-TRreminds me of icq in the 1990s because of real-time typing feature and buffersJun 24 07:26
schestowitz-TRTR has at least two articles about "appeal to novelty"Jun 24 07:26
schestowitz-TRand also some memesJun 24 07:26
schestowitz-TRwith examples of how "new" means worse than what we had beforeJun 24 07:26
schestowitz-TRytalk is better than a lot of "chat" "apps"Jun 24 07:26
schestowitz-TRreminds me of icq in the 1990s because of real-time typing feature and buffersJun 24 07:26
Techrights-sec2For over 20 years, the appeal to novely fallacy has been the backbone ofJun 24 07:27
Techrights-sec2sales in computer hardware and proprietary software;  Thus there are severalJun 24 07:27
Techrights-sec2work generations of people trained to accept it.  So the cost of doing outJun 24 07:27
Techrights-sec2reach is the occasional "new" article/Jun 24 07:27
Techrights-sec2Something better than ytalk could be made with python and mqtt; the bash-basedJun 24 07:27
Techrights-sec2test showed that but Bash alone was not quite up to the task.Jun 24 07:27
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-TechrightsBN/ | Appeal to novelty - RationalWikiJun 24 07:29
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> "The Famine Is Coming" ☛ | Source: Democracy NowJun 24 07:29
-TechrightsBN/ | “The Famine Is Coming”: War in Ukraine & Climate Crisis Contribute to Food Insecurity in Somalia | Democracy Now!Jun 24 07:29
schestowitz-TRthe depressiing news is comingJun 24 07:31
schestowitz-TRbut I posted one batch of links alreadyJun 24 07:31
schestowitz-TRI need to leave a pocket of time available constantlyJun 24 07:31
schestowitz-TRfor breaking epo newsJun 24 07:31
schestowitz-TRfor people to whom expensive food means no food desperate measures open up Jun 24 07:35
schestowitz-TRmurders, smuggling, theft, hoarding, revolutionsJun 24 07:35
schestowitz-TRukraine was a grain capital for someJun 24 07:35
schestowitz-TRand then there's the gas pricesJun 24 07:35
schestowitz-TRI hope we can keep those expenses down with discounts and smarter usageJun 24 07:35
schestowitz-TRto avoid burning away savingsJun 24 07:35
schestowitz-TRI always lugh at "smart" meters "saving energy"; afaik, they are powered by... electricity ;-) Jun 24 07:35
Techrights-sec2Yes, EPO news is among the highest priority;  TR is uniquely positioned to Jun 24 07:37
Techrights-sec2cover itJun 24 07:37
Techrights-sec2yep food shortages mean more wars and human trafficking, as well as useful idiots feeding bothJun 24 07:37
Techrights-sec2Ukraine also produced neon which was used for semiconductor manufacturingJun 24 07:37
Techrights-sec2I don't see any benefit from the attributes associated with "smart" metersJun 24 07:37
Techrights-sec2there is a long list of disadvantages, thoughJun 24 07:37
schestowitz-TRwe wrote a lot about it Jun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRto complement we can add more daily links, yesterday we did about 5 batches and this past week more than 20Jun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRI think this tempo is healthier as it puts important news in titles, e.g. release of xyz Jun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRI know many people who read these over rssJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRit is quite a unique thing in the free software worldJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRsome tried to emulate it over the years but gave up Jun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRit did not scale, they did not have the tools, the feeds etc.Jun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRor the timeJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRsometimes I see articles about "smart" carsJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRor "autonomous" carsJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRI have hands-on experiencece (programming) with the latterJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRit's BSJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRlike face recJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRsoem of the methods envisioned are unbelievable!Jun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRlike connected ALL the carsJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRand manage them in "the clown"Jun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRlike "smart" assistants which do all the processing in server farmsJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRmeaning the audio is retained somewhereJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRnot by accidentJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRto them, it's spying. to you, it's "savings" (offloading)Jun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRthere are already listening devices in a lot of carsJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TRyou can insurance "discounts" for playing ballJun 24 07:43
schestowitz-TR1) a car on the road that's remotely controlled can be used to kill you in your "dumb" carJun 24 07:45
schestowitz-TR2) this is not limited to cars (anymore?) as homes have devices in them that can be used Jun 24 07:46
schestowitz-TRto convict/frame tenantsJun 24 07:46
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Food Shortage or Economic Crisis ☛ | Source: Democracy NowJun 24 07:49
-TechrightsBN/ | Food Shortage or Economic Crisis? Experts Say Poverty & Capitalism Are Real Drivers of Global Hunger | Democracy Now!Jun 24 07:49
schestowitz-TRreinforced by MAD MAXJun 24 07:53
schestowitz-TRas if you can eat cars and oilJun 24 07:53
Techrights-sec2MadMax was always confusing, the show would have ended after a few days once theJun 24 07:54
Techrights-sec2fuel tanks ran empty; again that goes to much of the world holding cars soJun 24 07:54
Techrights-sec2sacred and holy that they cannot even imagine the idea of no fuel even in a Jun 24 07:54
Techrights-sec2"post-apocolyptic" collapseJun 24 07:54
schestowitz-TRdon't worry, they'll stock  up on it... in plastic bags if necessary ;-)Jun 24 07:55
schestowitz-TRchemistry 101 Jun 24 07:55
Techrights-sec2yes; those 55-gallon trashbags are cheap and can hold lots of fuel for use Jun 24 07:55
Techrights-sec2later; :/Jun 24 07:55
schestowitz-TRMad Max plastgic bag editionJun 24 07:56
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Government Urges People Not To Fill Up Plastic Bags With Gasoline | CarscoopsJun 24 07:56
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> EFF is dead to me. Recommends Privacy-Infringing Microsoft-Run DuckDuckGo that spies on you!! ☛ | Source: EFFJun 24 07:58
-TechrightsBN/ | Security and Privacy Tips for People Seeking An Abortion | Electronic Frontier FoundationJun 24 07:58
schestowitz-TRsame gov. that needed to tell people in FL not to fire their rifles at the hurricaneJun 24 07:58
schestowitz-TRI wonder if any planes or birds got hitrJun 24 07:58
schestowitz-TRbunch of geico cavemenJun 24 07:58
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-TechrightsBN/ | Fact-Check: Did Donald Trump Suggest Nuking Hurricanes?Jun 24 07:59
Techrights-sec2EFF has been running opposite to its charter for a long timeJun 24 07:59
Techrights-sec2It's not incompetence, it's maliceJun 24 07:59
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Why did EFF leave out Microsoft??? ☛ | Source: EFFJun 24 08:00
-TechrightsBN/ | The Bipartisan Digital Advertising Act Would Break Up Big Trackers | Electronic Frontier FoundationJun 24 08:00
Techrights-sec2EFF probably has M$ sympathizers working against digital freedom from the insideJun 24 08:06
Techrights-sec2:(Jun 24 08:06
Techrights-sec2PBS also is thoroughly infiltratedJun 24 08:06
schestowitz-TRpublicaccess put a Microsoft employee inside the boardJun 24 08:07
schestowitz-TRthe rats infest the orgsJun 24 08:07
schestowitz-TRPBS is literally bribed by Bill GatesJun 24 08:07
schestowitz-TRfor over a decade alreadyJun 24 08:07
schestowitz-TRmaybe the bribes could be funneled via Jeffrey EspteinJun 24 08:07
schestowitz-TRoh, waitJun 24 08:07
schestowitz-TRno.Jun 24 08:07
schestowitz-TR"well, he's dead"Jun 24 08:07
Techrights-sec2not just that, but infiltrated at the staff levelJun 24 08:08
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 08:08
schestowitz-TRthe media as a whole has become a catastrophic clusterfuckJun 24 08:11
schestowitz-TRwhere you just buy articles about yourselfJun 24 08:11
schestowitz-TRI mentioned this in the 30-min video last nightJun 24 08:11
schestowitz-TRand the solution to this, imho, is rejection of such mediaJun 24 08:11
schestowitz-TRbut it uses its size to invade everythingJun 24 08:12
schestowitz-TRe.g. zer-ratingJun 24 08:12
Techrights-sec2that's a natural and predictable progression from moving to ad-based revenueJun 24 08:12
schestowitz-TRi mentioned bbc a lotJun 24 08:14
schestowitz-TRand how it spikes epo coverageJun 24 08:14
schestowitz-TRbbc (yes, layoffs!) violated its charterJun 24 08:14
schestowitz-TRwhile using tax money to run (TV Licensing) it also took bribes from criminals like GatesJun 24 08:14
schestowitz-TRand poorly vetted managersJun 24 08:14
schestowitz-TRe.g. people from Microsoft UKJun 24 08:14
schestowitz-TRas if this won't leave to issuesJun 24 08:14
schestowitz-TRso I boytcott the billBC entirely these daysJun 24 08:14
schestowitz-TRalso for footbal and weatherJun 24 08:14
schestowitz-TRand I urge others to do the sameJun 24 08:14
schestowitz-TRrianne still reads it thoughJun 24 08:14
Techrights-sec2I skim one page of it but generally avoid picking any artice if they are Jun 24 08:15
Techrights-sec2available elsewhereJun 24 08:15
schestowitz-TRthe risk of brain brainwashed by bad actors like Microsoft and rogues like Gates is just too highJun 24 08:15
schestowitz-TRI would not even enter any address of bbcJun 24 08:15
Techrights-sec2yesJun 24 08:15
Techrights-sec2and, by the way, the links on their main page are /still/ broken even afterJun 24 08:15
Techrights-sec2all these years;  It is clear they have not competent management and no  Jun 24 08:15
Techrights-sec2comptetent IT staff and *no one* in between who gives a shitJun 24 08:15
schestowitz-TRfarnell USED to work thereJun 24 08:16
schestowitz-TRI know abother person in USENET who didJun 24 08:16
schestowitz-TRnow instead of tech they havr resellersJun 24 08:16
schestowitz-TRlike iPlayer scandalsJun 24 08:16
Techrights-sec2I know at least  one person who worked there but that was decades ago backJun 24 08:18
Techrights-sec2when it was of reasonably high qualityJun 24 08:18
Techrights-sec2Even more than PBS, BBC has been infiltrated by microsoftersJun 24 08:18
Techrights-sec2at the staff and management levelsJun 24 08:18
schestowitz-TRthis past week I saw 2 or 3 new spam domains that plagiarise newsJun 24 08:23
schestowitz-TRI did not add to spamSitesJun 24 08:23
schestowitz-TRas I do not know if you funnel in anything form gulag noiseJun 24 08:23
schestowitz-TRbut over time I think we can develop a better workflow and somehow organise newsJun 24 08:23
schestowitz-TRwith focus on s/wJun 24 08:23
schestowitz-TRnot brands, real softwareJun 24 08:23
Techrights-sec2It'd be good to add them to spam sites, because I have seen quite a few newJun 24 08:23
Techrights-sec2spam domains recenly alsoJun 24 08:23
schestowitz-TROK, if I see these a second or third time I will addJun 24 08:23
schestowitz-TRmaybe they get culled fast enoughJun 24 08:23
Techrights-sec2Though maybe the threshold for adding ought to be if they are slick enough toJun 24 08:24
Techrights-sec2get through once, then they can be added to ensure that it does not happen againJun 24 08:24
Techrights-sec2Some are still around.  About once a week the spamsite checking script catchesJun 24 08:24
Techrights-sec2one that would have otherwise gotten through.  I notice that many such sitesJun 24 08:24
Techrights-sec2are trying to piggyback on FOSS to get through somehow.  Also, the Jun 24 08:24
Techrights-sec2Bill Gates testimony videos appear to be circulated by fringe groups, probablyJun 24 08:24
Techrights-sec2in an attempt to further marginalize criticism of His BillnessJun 24 08:24
Techrights-sec2on another topic the publisher Springer pushes some DOCX variantJun 24 08:28
schestowitz-TRfor full published words?Jun 24 08:29
schestowitz-TRor drafts of some kind?Jun 24 08:29
schestowitz-TR*worksJun 24 08:30
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> "People who have never even been charged with a crime can have their life savings taken away. That’s civil asset forfeiture." ☛ | Source: ScheerpostJun 24 08:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-John Kiriakou: Robbed by Law Enforcement – scheerpost.comJun 24 08:33
Techrights-sec2for "Electronic Supplementary Material"Jun 24 08:35
schestowitz-TRspringer = sharecroppingJun 24 08:35
schestowitz-TRa friend of mine published a book with themJun 24 08:35
schestowitz-TRit did not sell well (they do not market)Jun 24 08:36
schestowitz-TRand they take the lion's share of money Jun 24 08:36
schestowitz-TRi think they just print on demandJun 24 08:36
schestowitz-TRit's a parasitic company Jun 24 08:36
Techrights-sec2yes Springer is not healthy for higher institutions Jun 24 08:36
schestowitz-TRprivatising surplus, like patents pursued by unixJun 24 08:36
schestowitz-TR*unisJun 24 08:36
Techrights-sec2patents are usually never held by the universities which set them upJun 24 08:40
Techrights-sec2they are usually spun off into a startup so that the profits elude Jun 24 08:40
Techrights-sec2the financerJun 24 08:40
Techrights-sec2and ensure that there is no economic return for the universityJun 24 08:40
Techrights-sec2they stand for the cost; sadly they are less involved with basic research theseJun 24 08:40
Techrights-sec2days and more and more for inappropriate business developmentJun 24 08:40
schestowitz-TRin 2012 (IIRC) I went for a job interview where I had stufied sine 2003 (phd)Jun 24 08:42
schestowitz-TRand one interviewer was my former supervisorJun 24 08:42
schestowitz-TRthe other was some "business" somethingJun 24 08:42
schestowitz-TRwhich I deemed not appropriateJun 24 08:42
schestowitz-TRfor an academic positionJun 24 08:42
schestowitz-TRthey start viewing the institute from the lens of moneyJun 24 08:42
schestowitz-TRas a student, you produce a lot of work for themJun 24 08:42
schestowitz-TRall they give back is a desk and a PCJun 24 08:42
schestowitz-TRand those too are just "leased"Jun 24 08:42
schestowitz-TRso that diploma mill is highly exploitativeJun 24 08:42
Techrights-sec2I wonder if some kind of press sheet or summary page would be useful, Jun 24 09:02
Techrights-sec2like the old one but updatedJun 24 09:02
schestowitz-TRin what context? can you elaborate a bit? rereading did not help...Jun 24 09:02
Techrights-sec2there  are several concurrent topics, which one?Jun 24 09:09
schestowitz-TRthe one about "press sheet"Jun 24 09:10
schestowitz-TRI try to do 4-5 daily links batches and atm prioritise epo internal docs/leaksJun 24 09:10
Techrights-sec2oh.  that was about the old summary made a long time ago,Jun 24 09:12
Techrights-sec2perhaps it would be useful to do a new one with a /slight/ focus on the Jun 24 09:12
Techrights-sec2upcoming actionsJun 24 09:12
Techrights-sec2something to get an interested journalist an overviewJun 24 09:12
schestowitz-TRmany of them are compromisedJun 24 09:13
schestowitz-TRI said last night that ime it would almost be a waste of time contacting politicians and pressJun 24 09:13
schestowitz-TRbased on my experienceJun 24 09:14
schestowitz-TRbtw, I've just noticed no irc logs for todayJun 24 09:14
schestowitz-TRI ran ipfs 2 minutes late today, I hope it did not mess up the pipelineJun 24 09:14
Techrights-sec2checkingJun 24 09:14
schestowitz-TRre press heetJun 24 09:17
schestowitz-TRsheetJun 24 09:17
schestowitz-TRmy supervisor told me ages age it would take HOURS just to write an abstractJun 24 09:17
schestowitz-TRof course AFTER you spend MONTHS going through peer reviewJun 24 09:17
schestowitz-TRwhich is days' worth of workJun 24 09:17
schestowitz-TRyou might get 100 views just on the abstract onlineJun 24 09:17
schestowitz-TRmaybe 10 will bother reading what you spent months on Jun 24 09:18
schestowitz-TRthat put me off academiaJun 24 09:18
schestowitz-TRI could get better number on the wwwJun 24 09:18
schestowitz-TRso you end up with scholars who produced 40 papers in 40 years (age 25-65)Jun 24 09:18
schestowitz-TRand barely had real impact other than "teaching many students"Jun 24 09:18
schestowitz-TRand "marking up many exams"Jun 24 09:18
schestowitz-TRnot fulfillinf imhoJun 24 09:18
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Techrights-sec2checkingJun 24 09:19
Techrights-sec2yes the papers end up being mostly fillerJun 24 09:19
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schestowitz-TRgood scholars, top guns, might put hundreds in GOOD journalistsJun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TRthat actually DO GET READJun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TRand maybe attract some media attention for one day in a yearJun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TRbut those are rareJun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TRand limited to top unisJun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TRof course the media snd BS films like Beautioful Mind tell you only about the "success stories"Jun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TRsame for the "music" (copyright) industryJun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TRthose "success stories" often end up dying from drug overdosesJun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TR   /s/jopurnlists/jorunalsJun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TRconference papepr = some little ~20 min talk or poster, with some paper that goes with itJun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TRand almost nobody reads... probably a reused paper from some failed journal submissionJun 24 09:21
schestowitz-TRor slight improvement over itJun 24 09:21
Techrights-sec2That film was BS put out by the banskters to try to (wrongly) lend an airJun 24 09:25
Techrights-sec2of legitimacy to their fraud.Jun 24 09:25
Techrights-sec2posters have little to no impact, for most participants they are justJun 24 09:25
Techrights-sec2scenery; few get looked at even superficially; hardly none at all getJun 24 09:25
Techrights-sec2examined with any level of interestJun 24 09:25
schestowitz-TRthe www is on 'borrowed' time imhoJun 24 09:25
schestowitz-TRbut I cannot tell you how things will pan outJun 24 09:25
schestowitz-TRI can guess, but only for 1-2 yearsJun 24 09:25
schestowitz-TRas a medium, it's becomigng obsoleteJun 24 09:25
schestowitz-TRas it's not for pages anymoreJun 24 09:25
schestowitz-TRit's a canvasJun 24 09:25
schestowitz-TRthe rendering is done by proprietary programs from the server, not thre browserJun 24 09:25
schestowitz-TR(top clarify, the server executes locally AND remotely) Jun 24 09:27
schestowitz-TRthe codde you get with the chrome (or clone) binary does not do the heavy lifting, it's like a 'runtime')Jun 24 09:27
schestowitz-TRcompared gulag news in 2005 to the 'web' 'page' it is in 2022Jun 24 09:27
Techrights-sec2yes the main thing is that it can't handle the way it's being misused;Jun 24 09:31
Techrights-sec2browsers are being used as VMs to run applications sourced from unauthenticatedJun 24 09:31
Techrights-sec2distributed sourcesJun 24 09:31
Techrights-sec2the server only sends the applications, all the processing is done locallyJun 24 09:31
Techrights-sec2in the client, as if it were a VM, no matter how inefficient that isJun 24 09:31
Techrights-sec2I'd hate to begin to calculate the gigawatts of electricty wasted repeatedlyJun 24 09:31
Techrights-sec2running the same scripts again and again around the world in various clientsJun 24 09:31
Techrights-sec2when the same thing could have been run once on the server and cached for a  Jun 24 09:31
Techrights-sec2whileJun 24 09:31
Techrights-sec2pages aren't pages anymore, they are "apps" and even some of the kids these daysJun 24 09:32
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Techrights-sec2refer to them as such, it's done out of ignorance but still they are correctJun 24 09:32
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Techrights-sec2albeit by accidentJun 24 09:32
schestowitz-TRsome sites till take the right and "traditional" approachJun 24 09:32
schestowitz-TRthose are also a lot easier to convert to hugo, gemini etc.Jun 24 09:32
schestowitz-TRso the technical detb associated with keeping alive for many years is vastly reducedJun 24 09:32
schestowitz-TRmany news sites are pu offline as sys admins are "expensive" and totally necessary to run those sitesJun 24 09:32
schestowitz-TRso over the LONG run they're out and we're still in the ringJun 24 09:32
schestowitz-TRsometimes they keep online static copies with very broken layout and no images, etc.Jun 24 09:32
schestowitz-TRwithh weird URLs long not indexed by anything, not seen by anyoneJun 24 09:32
Techrights-sec2Google does not index very much any more, somehow it seems they are easing outJun 24 09:33
Techrights-sec2of that businessJun 24 09:33
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Techrights-sec2"shareholders" is just an excuse and distracts from the real reason butJun 24 09:37
Techrights-sec2it works since few look past thatJun 24 09:37
schestowitz-TRnot just thatJun 24 09:39
schestowitz-TRI've said something to that effectJun 24 09:39
schestowitz-TRthe goal isn't fairness or archiving materialJun 24 09:39
schestowitz-TRtheyd delete at will anythingJun 24 09:39
schestowitz-TRbecause the shareholders don't value those sorts of thingsJun 24 09:39
schestowitz-TRor site... like JoinDiasporaJun 24 09:39
schestowitz-TRit's a wrong, risky assumptionJun 24 09:39
schestowitz-TRthey would mess around with you and your work which they do not valueJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRit's about their, not your, bottom lineJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRgulagtube killed off many hard-working "reators"Jun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRthat's one heck of a thank-youJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRbecause their videos are harder to "monetise"Jun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRone dya gulag might say, pay us to keep online videos older than 5 yearsJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRand some people might payJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRlike old sites/journals/news sources that start paywalling their archivesJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRso they say you need to pay x for some article from the 1980s that you needJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRor so-called 'acamemic' (private) publishersJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRthat demand you pay them money to access your own papersJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRshareholders become the state when a lot of money (high revenue, little investment, i.e. high profit/turnout) is stuff likeJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TR"Maven" and "defence" budget. Then you can throw whole channels like "RT" under the busJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRnothing to do with shareholders per seJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRit's quid pro quoJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRand to them the "creators" are 'collateral damage'Jun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRis that video still online BTW? Maybe won't be for long..Jun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TR"community guidelines"... "sign in to view"... nothing showing up in search resultsJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TR(both Gulag Search and YouTube Search)Jun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRfor your own protectionJun 24 09:40
schestowitz-TRlooking at your dad's papers     Jun 24 09:46
schestowitz-TRmany similaritiesJun 24 09:46
schestowitz-TRResearchBillGates (ye, bribed by Bill)Jun 24 09:46
schestowitz-TRindexes like these, much like Gulag "scholar"/"news"/"search", are bogus and fauxJun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TRbecause there is scarce indexing of old workJun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TRno incentive to crawl further backJun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TRand so the calculated sums naturally favour recent stuffJun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TRI ignore impact factors and all those "scores"Jun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TRit is like social control mediaJun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TRthere were sites like KLOUT for thisJun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TRthey vanishedJun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TRthey just scanned a bunch of "tweets" and tried to assign Jun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TR"importance" to peopleJun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TRas if "tweets" are worth a f* s*Jun 24 09:49
schestowitz-TRor "angegement" is a measure of meritJun 24 09:50
schestowitz-TRyou could be posting photos of some stuff and get many "likes"Jun 24 09:50
schestowitz-TRphotos from some holidayJun 24 09:50
schestowitz-TRor even sexually explicitJun 24 09:50
schestowitz-TRin the UK, going into administration Jun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRmeans something like Chapter 11  Jun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRin the USJun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRyou waneted to say administration works like that in the USJun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRI knew what you mean the next lineJun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRironically, it feels like working in a uiniversity's admin these daysJun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRdoes mean the sameJun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRcrushing the uni or crashing the darn thing into the groundJun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRto get some golden eggs or foreign students from china Jun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRfor the diploma mill the university becomesJun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRbecause the brand dilutionJun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRalso see: Linux [sic] FoundationJun 24 09:54
schestowitz-TRacademia seems to have become shit here maybe 20 years ago Jun 24 10:00
schestowitz-TRI was not embedded deeply for long, so cannot verify how or whenJun 24 10:00
schestowitz-TRin 2004 or 2003 two universities in Manchester agreed to mergeJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRone of them, UMIST, not a shiity polytechnic but a lesser universityJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRwith little reputation or traditionJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRI was not happy about thisJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRand insisted that on my degree it should say VICTORIA U of ManchesterJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRthe new merged thing was called the same as the old (original)Jun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRuniversityJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRI don't know if this was an "efficincy" moveJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRto attracty intl' studentsJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TR(the 'vash cow')Jun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRbut it makde my undergard degree look potentially of less valueJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRmy degree now does say victoriaJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRbut most people cannot tell the differenceJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRthey don't know the hisotryJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRthere were 3 other unis I could go to and accepted my applicationJun 24 10:01
schestowitz-TRI've just checked my displomaJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRthe official oneJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRthey broke the promiseJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRlike when companies mergedJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRthey said we'd be abkle to choose to say "victoria" on itJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRof course it does not say thatJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRpeople forget the promise/pledgeJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRand now the degree is associated with the NEW university bearing the same name as the old oneJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRhaving said that, some universities had really big blundersJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRand those servd to vevalue the diplomas of alumniJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRin ours there was this mass rapist from indonesiaJun 24 10:07
Techrights-sec2yes, when remineded they whine about being remindedJun 24 10:07
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 10:07
schestowitz-TRbrb workoutJun 24 10:09
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 10:52
schestowitz-TRbackJun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRinconclusive researchJun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRmight not be work in progress anymore (exercise thought):Jun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRis jperlow still in lF?Jun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRlast blog post 2 months agoJun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRnew guy hiredJun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRI cannot see linkedin (MSFT)Jun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRbut twitter says LF researchJun 24 10:54
Techrights-sec2good questionJun 24 10:54
Techrights-sec2they don't have a staff rosterJun 24 10:54
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Techrights-sec2he was there at the end of April at leastJun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRso maybe he was assigned to that other fake "department"Jun 24 10:54
-TechrightsBN/ | Jason Perlow, Author at Linux FoundationJun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRrather than leftJun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRLF periodically updates a few pages, e.g. board, management, committeesJun 24 10:54
schestowitz-TRbut the arrival of that new man who knows NADA about Linux conincidingJun 24 10:55
schestowitz-TRwith no "perlow" anywhere did make me wonderJun 24 10:55
schestowitz-TRboosting the scam before it fell LOLJun 24 10:56
schestowitz-TRnot decentralisedJun 24 10:56
schestowitz-TRjust another fraudJun 24 10:56
schestowitz-TRbut LF gives it veneer of legitimacyJun 24 10:56
schestowitz-TRat the expense of "LINUX"(R)Jun 24 10:56
schestowitz-TR"mom, what is Linux?"Jun 24 10:56
schestowitz-TR"it's this vaccine passport blockchain WSL thing"Jun 24 10:56
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Techrights-sec2nothing recent there eitherJun 24 10:59
-TechrightsBN/ | ‎Jason Squared: Two Nerds Talk Tech on Apple PodcastsJun 24 10:59
schestowitz-TRvanished around the time we called him out for AGEISMJun 24 11:00
schestowitz-TRand IBM, where he came fromJun 24 11:00
schestowitz-TRbut I doubt it is in any way relatedJun 24 11:00
schestowitz-TRI'm sure he can see the weakness of LF from the insideJun 24 11:00
schestowitz-TRthey hired him for PRJun 24 11:00
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Techrights-sec2^ blocked by javascriptJun 24 11:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Jason Perlow | US | Meet the Team | ZDNetJun 24 11:00
Techrights-sec2but he wrote at ZDNet last weekJun 24 11:01
schestowitz-TRah, maybe there's something thereJun 24 11:03
schestowitz-TRlet me check dates...Jun 24 11:03
schestowitz-TR4/4/22 dan whitining makes debut in linux.comJun 24 11:03
schestowitz-TRwhere jperlow had parked after spamnil vanishedJun 24 11:03
schestowitz-TRbut then weeks later that NFT BS was postedJun 24 11:03
schestowitz 24 11:03
-TechrightsBN/ | Linux Foundation Has a New Lead Editor. Like Jim Zemlin, He Doesn’t Use Linux. He’s in Love with iPad. | TechrightsJun 24 11:03
schestowitz-TRdan allowingJun 24 11:03
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 11:04
schestowitz-TRour motto: they won't give away their weaknessJun 24 11:11
schestowitz-TRsame in EPOJun 24 11:11
schestowitz-TRso we must dig in and be inquisittiveJun 24 11:11
Techrights-sec2press releases get transcribed into fake articles easily Jun 24 11:11
Techrights-sec2I recall one "columnist" who did that for too many years until she got calledJun 24 11:11
Techrights-sec2out on it and the paper pulled the plug on her "column"Jun 24 11:11
schestowitz-TRas other blogs barely botherJun 24 11:11
schestowitz-TRx y.z releasedJun 24 11:11
schestowitz-TRlinus says...Jun 24 11:11
schestowitz-TRbut hardly looking for new infoJun 24 11:11
schestowitz-TRunless it's spoonfed to them with PR bribesJun 24 11:11
schestowitz-TRmicrosoft and epo do this a lotJun 24 11:13
schestowitz-TRof course they are not aloneJun 24 11:13
schestowitz-TRbut it is easier to see when you folloe particular topics and can compare texts, photos etc.Jun 24 11:13
schestowitz-TRI get like 40 spam a dayJun 24 11:13
schestowitz-TRhalf of it from pr agencies trying to get me "interested"Jun 24 11:13
schestowitz-TRit probably got miles worse ein the "digital" eraJun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TRbecause it became faster and "cheaper"Jun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TRI can iomagine how it would be done 50 years agoJun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TRyou would need to lick envelopes and find telephone numbers and fax thingsJun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TR(no fax yet)Jun 24 11:17
Techrights-sec2again, it seems that Google is hardly indexing anything any moreJun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TRso from an economic POV there was less incentiveJun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TRthis is why www rapidly becomes "webspam"Jun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TRyou can whip up a "site" in mintesJun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TRin the USENET newsgroups we used to have fierce arguments about thisJun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TRas some people were making fake sitesJun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TRand then trying to sneak them into GulagJun 24 11:17
schestowitz-TRtheory: the likes of matt cutts at google (no idea if he still holds that role)Jun 24 11:19
schestowitz-TRstudies the domain space and coclude x% of domains are spamJun 24 11:19
schestowitz-TRand therefore gulag should be super-apprehensive adding domains it does not know aboutJun 24 11:19
schestowitz-TReven if they have IBLs (inbound links) because such links can be purchasedJun 24 11:19
schestowitz-TRthey even penalised for certain IBL patternsJun 24 11:19
Techrights-sec2could be it           Jun 24 11:21
Techrights-sec2thy're certainly not indexing some legitimate but small sites, even ones hostedJun 24 11:21
Techrights-sec2in data centers and allJun 24 11:21
Techrights-sec2in years past it was enough to put up a site and wait a week or so Jun 24 11:21
Techrights-sec2now, nothingJun 24 11:21
schestowitz-TRtake it from me (wasted years)Jun 24 11:21
schestowitz-TR1) checking stats is a waste oif time and can be demoralising (a lot of the web is bots)Jun 24 11:21
schestowitz-TR2) enever optimise anything for gulag (SEO is a cargo cult)Jun 24 11:21
schestowitz-TR3) don't add ads to anything. waste of time. hassle.Jun 24 11:21
Techrights-sec2Brave, DDG, and Startpage have all indexed the site(s) but not GoogleJun 24 11:22
Techrights-sec2haven't (and won't) checked YandexJun 24 11:22
schestowitz-TRshould you care?Jun 24 11:24
schestowitz-TRis it worth the worry?Jun 24 11:24
schestowitz-TRthe time could instead be spent doing all sorts of other thingsJun 24 11:24
schestowitz-TRwith more predictable resultsJun 24 11:24
schestowitz-TRsometimes the host is pooling ip addresses and some other sites on a share servers made it into a blacklistJun 24 11:24
schestowitz-TRthe maslow heirarchy of Net: ;-)Jun 24 11:26
schestowitz-TRa) your siteJun 24 11:26
schestowitz-TRb) the webJun 24 11:26
schestowitz-TRc) web brandsJun 24 11:26
schestowitz-TRno web -> no web brandsJun 24 11:26
schestowitz-TRa site can be moved to xanadu, gopher etc.Jun 24 11:26
Techrights-sec2" In the process, they built a tool which facilitates the large-scale laundering of free software into non-free software by their customers, who GitHub ofJun 24 11:45
Techrights-sec2fers plausible deniability through an inscrutable algorithm. "Jun 24 11:45
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-TechrightsBN/ | GitHub Copilot and open source launderingJun 24 11:45
schestowitz-TRyes, none of that is newJun 24 11:47
schestowitz-TRwe said that in our series n umerous timesJun 24 11:47
schestowitz-TRI want to wait and see what Miguel and Nat do before proceeding muchJun 24 11:47
schestowitz-TRIt'sFOSS wrote about it, but weaklyJun 24 11:47
schestowitz-TRit also shills for LF, so...Jun 24 11:47
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 12:05
schestowitz-TRI wonder how to best tackle the latest LF propagadafest in TexasJun 24 12:06
schestowitz-TRnot giving it more visibilityJun 24 12:06
schestowitz-TR/me checks if spamnil bought another round of clickfraudJun 24 12:06
Techrights-sec2which one are they doing now?Jun 24 12:06
schestowitz-TRspamnil last did this to video about 20 days oldJun 24 12:10
schestowitz-TRso the anomalies are stunningJun 24 12:10
Techrights-sec2this? 24 12:33
Techrights-sec2"Patents are an important legal protection to foster innovation ..."Jun 24 12:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ensuring Patents Foster Innovation in Open Source - Linux.comJun 24 12:33
schestowitz-TRI responded to this yesterdayJun 24 12:34
schestowitz-TRand quoted the bit about LF+OIN+Microsoft working together on patentsJun 24 12:34
schestowitz-TRthis is LF in a nutshellJun 24 12:34
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 12:34
schestowitz-TRnext stage is, they convince or blackmail torvalds into parroting the same linesJun 24 12:46
schestowitz-TRand liesJun 24 12:46
schestowitz-TRand then call us "all about hate" if we don't parry the sameJun 24 12:46
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 12:46
schestowitz-TRlike the time rms foolishly went to microsoftJun 24 12:48
schestowitz-TRand then sjvn said repeatredly stuff like, even RMM is accepting themJun 24 12:48
schestowitz-TRand if you don't, you're extraemeJun 24 12:48
schestowitz-TR(of course he then went on to relentlylessly defaming RMS regardless)Jun 24 12:48
Techrights-sec2in china and iran they torture activists and renowened voices Jun 24 12:49
Techrights-sec2and then showing footage of them with confessions and change of mineJun 24 12:49
Techrights-sec2after ther tortureJun 24 12:49
Techrights-sec2LF doesn't use tortureJun 24 12:49
Techrights-sec2it uses mental blackmail and therapistsJun 24 12:49
Techrights-sec2civil forefeit of the Linux projectJun 24 12:49
schestowitz-TRin china and iran they torture activists and renowened voices Jun 24 12:50
schestowitz-TRand then showing footage of them with confessions and change of mineJun 24 12:50
schestowitz-TRafter ther tortureJun 24 12:50
schestowitz-TRLF doesn't use tortureJun 24 12:50
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 12:50
Techrights-sec2yes, the LF has used torture, Jun 24 12:50
schestowitz-TRit uses mental blackmail and therapistsJun 24 12:50
schestowitz-TRcivil forefeit of the Linux projectJun 24 12:50
schestowitz-TR2+2=5Jun 24 12:50
schestowitz-TRand then you see 5 articles about torvalds singing praises of github rustJun 24 12:50
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Techrights-sec2not those specific methods but unnecessary medical treatment in general,Jun 24 12:51
Techrights-sec2sending him off and then having him recant and confess afterwardsJun 24 12:51
-TechrightsBN/ | Physicians for Human Rights - CIA Torture Report Highlights Unnecessary Medical ProcedureJun 24 12:51
schestowitz-TRas daemonFC recalls, from his personal experience, it is the only way to get rleased from the treatmentJun 24 12:52
schestowitz-TRthey reward for cooperationJun 24 12:52
schestowitz-TRobjection reinforces the idea of a problemJun 24 12:52
Techrights-sec2yes if they can get leverage over him and commit him then it's game overJun 24 12:52
Techrights-sec2after that anything he says only digs the hole deeper -- regardless of Jun 24 12:52
Techrights-sec2the situation or of what is saidJun 24 12:52
Techrights-sec2LT escaped lightly, if they had forced prescriptions on him then they  Jun 24 12:56
Techrights-sec2^theJun 24 12:56
Techrights-sec2"medications" are so primitive in that area that they would nearly 100% likelyJun 24 12:56
Techrights-sec2caused brain damage or at least severe personality disorder either permanentlyJun 24 12:56
Techrights-sec2or during the course of the drug useJun 24 12:56
schestowitz-TRthe story you told me is almost exactly the same as one from a gym friendJun 24 12:59
schestowitz-TRwhose ordeals I wrote about in my blog a few timesJun 24 12:59
schestowitz-TRhe represented himself against NHS and wonJun 24 12:59
schestowitz-TRalmost exactly the sameJun 24 12:59
schestowitz-TR, inc. the scnadsls of improvising and prison timeJun 24 12:59
schestowitz-TRthey basically experimented on him Jun 24 12:59
schestowitz-TRhe won the caseJun 24 12:59
schestowitz-TRthen I think they spied on him with PIJun 24 12:59
schestowitz-TRbut hard to proveJun 24 12:59
Techrights-sec2The trouble against LT really ramped up when he defended the GPL at his AaltoJun 24 13:00
Techrights-sec2talk.  The press made a distraction with him giving the finger to Nvidia, butJun 24 13:00
Techrights-sec2the talk about the importance of the GPL really burned a lot of powerful peopleJun 24 13:00
schestowitz-TRQuite likely that they stoope that low.Jun 24 13:01
Techrights-sec2Quite likely that they stoope that low.Jun 24 13:01
Techrights-sec2However, it is even more unlikely that they will admit to breaking the law likeJun 24 13:02
Techrights-sec2that.Jun 24 13:02
schestowitz-TRNorbert apparwently had to confeesss his "thought crime"Jun 24 13:07
schestowitz-TRand then give a talk together nwith a diversity candisate (no code) at some eventJun 24 13:07
schestowitz-TRmaybehe realised this would never please themeJun 24 13:07
schestowitz-TRit just made him look like a tool, after he had invested 2 decades of his life as a volkunteerJun 24 13:07
schestowitz-TRin a project that was pushing him outJun 24 13:07
Techrights-sec2Lunduke gave a good talk explaining how and why attempts at appeasement willJun 24 13:08
Techrights-sec2only encourage and even rile up the bulliedJun 24 13:08
Techrights-sec2^bulliesJun 24 13:08
Techrights-sec2did he blink "TORTURE" with his eyes while reading the confession?Jun 24 13:08
schestowitz-TRover the years at lkeast 3 people (off the top of my head) tried to force me to write a statementJun 24 13:12
schestowitz-TRlike apoloigising to them and suchJun 24 13:12
schestowitz-TRone time I actually did something weakly worded to that effectJun 24 13:12
schestowitz-TRthat was the first timeJun 24 13:12
Techrights-sec2yepJun 24 13:12
Techrights-sec2yepJun 24 13:12
schestowitz-TRand then it never ends Jun 24 13:12
schestowitz-TRchange this, change thatJun 24 13:12
schestowitz-TRif you show a sign of weaknessJun 24 13:12
schestowitz-TRthen they want to link to something to say "we won, he lost"Jun 24 13:12
schestowitz-TR"we were right all along"Jun 24 13:12
schestowitz-TRLinus did surrenderJun 24 13:14
schestowitz-TRtherapists AND forced apologyJun 24 13:14
schestowitz-TRhumiliationJun 24 13:14
schestowitz-TRhe used to defned all that as finnish cultureJun 24 13:14
schestowitz-TRI didn't even think it was limited to finlandJun 24 13:14
Techrights-sec2now they can hang both over his head indefinitelyJun 24 13:14
Techrights-sec2presumably with the threat of escalating eitherJun 24 13:14
Techrights-sec2it is, but these days national identities, including Finnish, are now centeredJun 24 13:14
Techrights-sec2around defense of and support for Bill and M$Jun 24 13:14
Techrights-sec2Some years ago he made an excellent explanation about clarity and why Jun 24 13:17
Techrights-sec2evaluation of code (not of people) had to be made in no uncertain or vague Jun 24 13:17
Techrights-sec2terms; the microsofters and the press they own where able to reframe his Jun 24 13:17
Techrights-sec2code critiques as attacks on people, which they clearly weren't if one botheredJun 24 13:17
Techrights-sec2to read them , or as "being mean"Jun 24 13:17
schestowitz-TRdid you know the MFer works in a gown!!!! the MFer!!!Jun 24 13:17
Techrights-sec2yeah they try everything to get at him.  Remember 20 years ago the businessJun 24 13:18
Techrights-sec2community had their collective panties in a twist over RMS and his lack ofJun 24 13:18
Techrights-sec2a suit and tie;  They just could not get their tiny minds around the ideaJun 24 13:18
Techrights-sec2that he did not wear a tie.  They tried similar against Fuckerberg but heJun 24 13:18
Techrights-sec2was already complying by thenJun 24 13:18
Techrights-sec2not that he wasn't complying it's just they wanted visible submission as wellJun 24 13:18
schestowitz-TRit's the dress code equivalent of getting circumcisedJun 24 13:22
schestowitz-TRor doing that to kids (FGM also), demonstrating physical sacrifice for the tribeJun 24 13:22
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 13:22
schestowitz-TRslow tech news so far todayJun 24 15:00
schestowitz-TRvolume-wiseJun 24 15:00
schestowitz-TRhaving to use a hookJun 24 15:00
Techrights-sec2summer has started and more news sites will (permanently) reduce activities Jun 24 15:00
Techrights-sec2furtherJun 24 15:00
schestowitz-TRyeah, it had not quite occurred to meJun 24 15:00
schestowitz-TReither way, more time to focus on epo thenJun 24 15:00
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> The Steam Summer Sale is the best sale Valve’s done in a long time (plus other Deck News) - Invidious ⚓ "TLG" so focused on Valve/Deck that I bet everything he took money from thenJun 24 15:02
-TechrightsBN/ | The Steam Summer Sale is the best sale Valve's done in a long time (plus other Deck News) - InvidiousJun 24 15:02
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 15:21
schestowitz-TRcuriously enough, based on the much-late 2013 paper abstract re photosynthesis, this is a very similar areaJun 24 15:40
schestowitz-TRto the one of a friend whom  I frequently mentionJun 24 15:40
schestowitz-TRbiogenesis and cellsJun 24 15:40
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 15:40
schestowitz-TRthose are important issues, unlike a lot of pseudoscience that does get counted as of  Jun 24 15:40
schestowitz-TR"indutrial value" or mere theoryJun 24 15:40
schestowitz-TRnews is slow, I did another batchJun 24 15:41
schestowitz-TRfeeds empty   Jun 24 15:41
schestowitz-TRwill check covid statusJun 24 15:41
schestowitz-TRno important issue to record atmJun 24 15:41
schestowitz-TRmight tidy up my placeJun 24 15:41
schestowitz-TRrianne went huntingJun 24 15:41
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 15:52
Techrights-sec2It's Midsummer Eve, are the stores even open?Jun 24 15:52
schestowitz-TRfood stores, I don't see why notJun 24 15:53
schestowitz-TRthey're essential and I think the onl day they shut is dec 25thJun 24 15:53
schestowitz-TRwhich is why 24th is great for netting expiring items in large quantitiesJun 24 15:53
schestowitz-TR31st and 1st (NYE) is partly openJun 24 15:53
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 15:53
schestowitz"Jun 24 16:42
schestowitzSUEPO The Hague Event on the day of the Administrative CouncilJun 24 16:42
schestowitzDear SUEPO members, dear colleagues,Jun 24 16:42
schestowitzSUEPO The Hague is organizing a get-together meeting on the day of the Administrative Council for its members and those who want to become members.Jun 24 16:42
schestowitzThe gathering will take place on June 29, 2022 from 16:00 to 19:00 at "Welgelegen Food and Drinks" in Rijswijk on the day of the Administrative Council.Jun 24 16:42
schestowitzFeel free to join us for this event!Jun 24 16:42
schestowitz"Jun 24 16:42
schestowitz"Jun 24 16:45
schestowitzSUEPO Virtual Coffee Meetings, every Friday starting at 11:30 a.m.Jun 24 16:45
schestowitzDear SUEPO members, dear Colleagues,Jun 24 16:45
schestowitzWe are happy to invite you to a weekly coffee meeting of SUEPO this Friday, 24th of June.Jun 24 16:45
schestowitzSUEPO committee members are looking forward meeting you.Jun 24 16:45
schestowitzWe would like to chat with you informally on the ongoing actionsJun 24 16:45
schestowitzWorking to the ruleJun 24 16:45
schestowitzFeedback of yours for further actionsJun 24 16:45
schestowitzWe are there also to answer all your questions about SUEPO and listen to your concerns such asJun 24 16:45
schestowitz- the consequences of the educational reform for staff in TH;Jun 24 16:45
schestowitz- SAP;Jun 24 16:45
schestowitz- teleworking guidelines;Jun 24 16:45
schestowitz- or work pressure.Jun 24 16:45
schestowitzBut above all, we want to listen to you. SUEPO is nothing but its members, and your point of view matters very much to us.Jun 24 16:45
schestowitz"Jun 24 16:45
schestowitz-TRgood and timely newsJun 24 16:46
schestowitz-TRgot 4 items from epoJun 24 16:46
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 16:52
schestowitz-TRas usual, we'll be the first and the only ones to cover it, I'm preparing some text atmJun 24 16:52
schestowitz“The present publication emanates from Local Staff Committee the Hague which does not have access to mass email. It is re-published via SUEPO in order to reach a larger number of colleagues.”Jun 24 17:10
schestowitz-TRok, draftJun 24 17:13
schestowitz-TRI can make up by missing bits with new image and summaryJun 24 17:13
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 17:21
Techrights-sec2excellent about being first and covering it but tragic that other sites do notJun 24 17:21
Techrights-sec2pick up the newsJun 24 17:21
Techrights-sec2in accordance to how important it is Jun 24 17:21
Techrights-sec2checkingJun 24 17:21
Techrights-sec2s/pressurising/pressure/Jun 24 17:21
Techrights-sec2the first sentence mentions a meeting, a word or two (maybe with link) wouldJun 24 17:22
Techrights-sec2help remind the readers about the nature of the meetingJun 24 17:22
Techrights-sec2It's in the second paragraph, but having a word at the start helps lead inJun 24 17:22
Techrights-sec2s/which should not be granted/which should not be granted due to being outlawedJun 24 17:22
Techrights-sec2by the European Patent Convention (1973) .../Jun 24 17:22
Techrights-sec2The illegality of the sw patents granting and the reason it is illegal are Jun 24 17:22
Techrights-sec2importantJun 24 17:22
Techrights-sec2s/they're recruiting/the administrative council (managment) is recruiting/Jun 24 17:22
Techrights-sec2the last two paragraphs can be merged, the "imagine working" sentence belongs with the previous paragraphJun 24 17:22
schestowitz-TRok, all changes applied, added an imageJun 24 17:25
Techrights-sec2thanksJun 24 17:39
schestowitz-TRthew second (*last) pass caught a lot of typos and I clarified furtherJun 24 17:40
schestowitz-TRI have to assume there's a lot more on the wayJun 24 17:40
schestowitz-TRto avoid getting PRESSURED MYSEFL :-)Jun 24 17:40
Techrights-sec2excellentJun 24 17:41
Techrights-sec2it reads well nowJun 24 17:41
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schestowitz-TRnew doc just inJun 24 19:00
schestowitz-TRdraftJun 24 19:00
schestowitz-TRrianne asks, as she saw something in the gulag tyoob, if VAT is charged or shown separately in grocery storesJun 24 19:05
schestowitz-TRhere it's not shown explicitlyJun 24 19:05
schestowitz-TRvery rarely at electronics stores tooJun 24 19:05
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schestowitz-TRanother draft (short)Jun 24 19:15
Techrights-sec2ackJun 24 19:15
Techrights-sec2I thought food is not supposed to be subject to VATJun 24 19:15
Techrights-sec2as for electronics, some show it up front others hide it until checkoutJun 24 19:15
Techrights-sec2in the case of Apple vs Dell, for example, Dell only adds the VAT at the endJun 24 19:15
Techrights-sec2but Apple shows it up front and you have to subtract it at the end if you'reJun 24 19:15
Techrights-sec2making a business purchaseJun 24 19:15
Techrights-sec2oddly in one case the Apple hardware was much cheaper than the Dell systemJun 24 19:15
Techrights-sec2of comparable specsJun 24 19:15
schestowitz-TRit's finalised nowJun 24 19:25
Techrights-sec2checkingJun 24 19:26
Techrights-sec2okJun 24 19:27
Techrights-sec2but the last sentence is not finishedJun 24 19:27
schestowitz-TRgrammatically it seems OKJun 24 19:28
schestowitz-TRapple has a "starter" kit [sic]Jun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRso maybe on the 'low end' they discard some stockJun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRor desperate to show they can still sellJun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRthey cannot blame "supply chain" for eternityJun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRand the MS/APPL-preloaded PCs are just little prisonsJun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRthat later help them upsell or charge on topJun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRso the price on the PC is misleadingJun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRChromebooks, unless "fixed", are rentals you can take away and keepJun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRso we have a 'brandless' problem hereJun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRand saying "boycott Microsoft" won't solve ALL the issuesJun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRwe need to talk about the concept, IMHOJun 24 19:32
schestowitz-TRsome people move from wiundows to appleJun 24 19:33
schestowitz-TRas an act of rebellionJun 24 19:33
schestowitz-TRbecause they don't know that the underlying issue isJun 24 19:33
schestowitz-TRthey think it's just some cliches and logosJun 24 19:33
schestowitz-TRand carlin had wise words about US "choice"Jun 24 19:33
schestowitz-TRand how meaningless that can beJun 24 19:33
schestowitz-TRI can find the clip, so can you if yoiu search "carlin choice"Jun 24 19:33
schestowitz-TRback in the IBM says we called it "swapping masters" (over a decade ago; the word or metaphor was acceptable Jun 24 19:34
schestowitz-TRthen)Jun 24 19:34
schestowitz-TRbecause it's like a slave being traded but not in fact liberatedJun 24 19:34
schestowitz-TRhands changedJun 24 19:34
schestowitz-TRthen hands chainedJun 24 19:34
Techrights-sec2back in the PPC days the hardware was simply bettereJun 24 19:36
Techrights-sec2now it's just overpriced x86 garbageJun 24 19:36
Techrights-sec2with proprietary additionsJun 24 19:36
Techrights-sec2now with the M2 the hardware is worse and locked-in     Jun 24 19:36
Techrights-sec2they've even ported speculative execution exploits into the M2Jun 24 19:36
schestowitz-TRI hope the flow od epo documents stops soonJun 24 19:37
schestowitz-TRit's important but a bit fatiguingJun 24 19:38
schestowitz-TRI might take a nap before the 1am shiftJun 24 19:38
schestowitz-TRand then do a video on some topicJun 24 19:38
schestowitz-TRbblJun 24 19:38
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DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Isn't there a way around the VAT, like shipping a computer from the US?Jun 24 20:18
DaemonFCI mean, certainly there's a lot of sellers here that don't give a shit about collecting VAT tax.Jun 24 20:18
DaemonFCAvoiding taxes is difficult, but it's the moral thing to do.Jun 24 20:19
DaemonFCPropping up a state that steals from you to give to someone else is immoral.Jun 24 20:19
DaemonFCThere's a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.Jun 24 20:20
DaemonFCIn that tax evasion is also tax avoidance, but you break some law to do that.Jun 24 20:20
DaemonFCAnd breaking the law isn't terribly smart, especially when you'll get caught. So it's important to avoid taxes as much as the law lets you get by with.Jun 24 20:20
DaemonFCI could be mistaken, but I think VAT taxes are something the seller is supposed to collect and remit before the sale, so if you buy something that hasn't had VAT collected, that's not your responsibility, right?Jun 24 20:21
DaemonFCOr maybe it works like it does with state sales taxes, where you're supposed to declare the difference between what you paid out of state and what your state sales taxes are and square up the difference as use tax at the end of the year.Jun 24 20:22
DaemonFCWhich nobody did, which is why the states went to the Supreme Court to reverse their 1992 decision on this.Jun 24 20:22
DaemonFCStill, Wisconsin has sales tax holidays around Back to School time, so you can go up there and get all of the clothes and big ticket stuff you need and come back down to Illinois with it. The problem is that Illinois wants their money and if you pay with a credit card, they know what you did.Jun 24 20:24
schestowitz-TRI asked about foodJun 24 20:24
DaemonFCIt's not unheard of to get a letter from the DOR saying "We saw you went up to Wisconsin during a tax holiday and bought $5,000 worth of stuff. You declared that you didn't owe us any use tax. Here's what you owe us, plus interest, and a fine.".Jun 24 20:24
DaemonFCThe banks that do business in Illinois have to turn over their bank records to Illinois. So Illinois DOR has a matching program. It knows what all the rates are in other states and how much stuff you bought. So if it's a few bucks, probably nothing happens. If you owe then $400-500, you'll get a letter demanding payment.Jun 24 20:26
DaemonFCOn their website, which probably nobody reads, it warns that this can happen.Jun 24 20:27
DaemonFCSo if you do go up there on a tax holiday, bring cash.Jun 24 20:27
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Did you see that the US Supreme Court got rid of the Miranda Warning?Jun 24 20:27
DaemonFC"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you can not afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you by the court."Jun 24 20:28
DaemonFCThe police don't have to warn you anymore.Jun 24 20:28
DaemonFCYou can't sue them if they don't. And it's much less likely that anything you say without being warned will get thrown out of evidence.Jun 24 20:29
DaemonFCYou still have those rights, but they don't have to tell you.Jun 24 20:29
DaemonFCIndiana doesn't have "free" public defenders for the indigent.Jun 24 20:29
DaemonFCThey have a "sliding scale fee" for the public defender.Jun 24 20:29
schestowitz-TRyes, I read about SCOTUS doing thatJun 24 20:29
schestowitz-TRnext stage is, more powers for copsJun 24 20:30
schestowitz-TRand more gunsJun 24 20:30
DaemonFCSo it's not uncommon to see the courts taking a guy who has no job and sending him a $500-600 bill for the public defender, who is only there so that they can say you got a minimal legal defense while they were railroading you.Jun 24 20:30
DaemonFCThey just add it to what you owe the court, and then to make sure you pay, they deduct it from your bail money that you coughed up so you didn't have to sit in jail for a year waiting on them to get around to you for a misdemeanor.Jun 24 20:31
DaemonFCThe courts in Indiana only move swiftly if you bonded out of jail.Jun 24 20:32
DaemonFCIf you can't afford to bond out of jail, they frequently take five or six times longer to get you into court.Jun 24 20:32
DaemonFCThe idea is they'll sweat a confession out of you because they'll end up sentencing you to less time than you were already sitting in jail waiting for your hearings.Jun 24 20:32
DaemonFCThe maximum jail term for a misdemeanor is 364 days in jail.Jun 24 20:33
DaemonFCSo they just leave you sitting in jail for a year if you can't bond out so you'll confess to a lesser offense or something just to get out of jail.Jun 24 20:33
DaemonFCThe longer you stay quiet and don't confess, the longer you end up waiting in jail.Jun 24 20:34
DaemonFCThis is why nearly everyone charged with a misdemeanor is convicted of a misdemeanor.Jun 24 20:34
DaemonFCEven if you didn't do it, or it's not as bad as they allege, you know you'll be sitting in jail anyway, and most likely end up being convicted anyway, so at least by confessing you get out sooner.Jun 24 20:35
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, What happened to me was essentially charge and sentence bargaining. And it ended up being probably most directly comparable to a police caution in your system.Jun 24 20:36
schestowitz-TRlike plea bargain?Jun 24 20:36
DaemonFCYeah. I told the prosecutor I absolutely would not confess to a violent crime, ever, and that if he insisted on it, we were going to court and I would demand that he produce John and Luis and I'd take my chances in front of a jury.Jun 24 20:37
DaemonFCSo it ended up being like "Okay, what do you want?".Jun 24 20:37
DaemonFCI say , "I'm not going past a Class C Misdemeanor and I'm not going to jail, and I'm not going to have a conviction on my record. Figure something out.".Jun 24 20:38
DaemonFCSo then it was like "How is court supervision on Disorderly Conduct?".Jun 24 20:38
DaemonFCLike, he'd probably win on the original charges, but I would make it the absolute most hassle on him that I could to get there and I definitely wasn't confessing to that, so unless he wanted to carve out a few days just for me with everything else going on in this county.....Jun 24 20:40
DaemonFCSometimes you can't win, but you can make it too much of a bother to fight you.Jun 24 20:41
DaemonFCThere's few surprises in court, so basically I had my attorney give the prosecutor a preview of what our strategy would be in court.Jun 24 20:41
DaemonFCI was going to plead not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect and say that I went temporarily insane due to a combination of underlying mental illness and mental suffering inflicted by John, which finally boiled over when he brought Luis into the house.Jun 24 20:42
DaemonFC"I temporarily took leave of my sanity and I'm better right now."Jun 24 20:42
DaemonFCIt's better to get diverted to psychiatrists than to be convicted and sent to jail, schestowitz-TR Jun 24 20:43
DaemonFCThe psychiatrists will fuck around with your medicine and eventually get tired of you.Jun 24 20:43
DaemonFCJail is jail, and a conviction is a conviction.Jun 24 20:43
DaemonFCWhen they send a person to a psychiatrist, usually what happens is that eventually the psychiatrist declares that their intervention was a success, when in fact it was not.Jun 24 20:44
DaemonFCAnd then they move right along.Jun 24 20:44
schestowitz-TRdid you see what we said about LT?Jun 24 20:44
DaemonFCNope.Jun 24 20:44
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, I'm now on four prescription drugs.Jun 24 20:45
schestowitz-TR[13:18] <Techrights-sec2> yeah they try everything to get at him.  Remember 20 years ago the businessJun 24 20:45
DaemonFCI'm a miracle of modern medicine.Jun 24 20:45
schestowitz-TR[13:18] <Techrights-sec2> community had their collective panties in a twist over RMS and his lack ofJun 24 20:45
schestowitz-TR[13:18] <Techrights-sec2> a suit and tie;  They just could not get their tiny minds around the ideaJun 24 20:45
schestowitz-TR[13:18] <Techrights-sec2> that he did not wear a tie.  They tried similar against Fuckerberg but heJun 24 20:45
schestowitz-TR[13:18] <Techrights-sec2> was already complying by thenJun 24 20:45
schestowitz-TR[13:18] <Techrights-sec2> not that he wasn't complying it's just they wanted visible submission as wellJun 24 20:45
schestowitz-TRyou were mention here earlierJun 24 20:45
DaemonFCYes, what we project is more important than what we are, RoyJun 24 20:45
DaemonFCIf you want to be successful at manipulating others, you have to create an appearance for them to base their opinions on.Jun 24 20:46
DaemonFCMost people in your life who make important decisions about you interact with you for 10 or 20 minutes. It's important for them to see you in the way that ensures the correct outcome.Jun 24 20:47
DaemonFCIt's better to have a chameleonic personality than it is to have a fixed one. You can always revert to your true personality later when it matters less.Jun 24 20:49
DaemonFCI've figured out different ways to present myself. Sometimes it's desirable to portray yourself as having an average or low intelligence so you don't appear threatening or very capable of being deceitful.Jun 24 20:50
DaemonFCIt forces people, subconsciously, to let their guard down, and it makes it easier to get what you need and move on.Jun 24 20:50
DaemonFCA big important concept in law is intent, even when the law theoretically doesn't make intent an important factor.Jun 24 20:51
DaemonFCYou will be punished much more severely if the prosecutor proves you knew it was wrong, didn't care, and proceeded anyway.Jun 24 20:52
DaemonFCTherefore, it is always useful to prove you did not knowingly break the law or did not intend to, or that you had no knowledge of the law, or that you were duped into breaking the law.Jun 24 20:52
DaemonFCYou can lower your culpability by showing that you didn't know what the law was, have imperfect understanding of the facts that set up your guilt, or that you have diminished capacity which made it, at least for a time, impossible to understand what you were doing.Jun 24 20:53
DaemonFCI blacked out while I was doing that. I don't remember doing that.Jun 24 20:54
DaemonFCIf people tell you that you're doing something wrong, say "I don't want to know that, and I didn't hear what you just said.".Jun 24 20:54
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, I told a lawyer something once and she said. "I'm sorry, I didn't hear you say that." and I went to repeat myself and she said "I don't think you should repeat whatever it is you just said.".Jun 24 20:55
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