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| Techrights-sec2 | when is the migration? | May 30 07:53 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290521.html#tMay%2029%2023:22:53 | May 30 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021 | May 30 07:53 | |
| schestowitz | we now have self-hosted IRC -- an upgrade for sure. Regarding wordpress, we might move off it when this version that we use if no longer receiving security patches | May 30 07:54 |
| schestowitz | I see that gemini grew in usage lately, maybe partly because of a youtube shoutout | May 30 07:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290521.html#tMay%2029%2018:45:16 | May 30 08:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021 | May 30 08:08 | |
| schestowitz | = | May 30 08:08 |
| schestowitz | https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/freenode-hijacks-700-rooms-promoting:5 | May 30 08:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | Freenode Hijacks 700 Rooms Promoting LiberaChat | May 30 08:08 | |
| schestowitz | # ? | May 30 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Robertson is right. It seemed benign until the channel confiscations, we've been needing to move, to the degree possible, to self-hosted IRC as a contingency. Freenode was problematic and risky before and after the exodus, and I never wanted to get caught in the drama. | May 30 08:09 |
| schestowitz | in fact, self-hosting IRC channels, like self-hosted git, is a case of walking the walk and something we can openly advocate as means of improving digital autonomy. FSF might follow. | May 30 08:11 |
| schestowitz | x https://siliconangle.com/2021/05/28/dockers-partnership-with-snyk-focuses-on-developer-first-security-dockercon/ | May 30 08:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-siliconangle.com | Docker's partnership with Snyk focuses on developer-first security - SiliconANGLE | May 30 08:19 | |
| schestowitz | = | May 30 08:19 |
| schestowitz | = | May 30 08:19 |
| schestowitz | x https://writing.kemitchell.com/2021/05/24/The-Luck-of-Open-Source.html | May 30 08:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-writing.kemitchell.com | The Luck of Open Source — /dev/lawyer | May 30 08:19 | |
| schestowitz | = | May 30 08:19 |
| schestowitz | x https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/artikel/skat-forsvarer-brug-teams-paahviler-enkelte-medarbejder-at-behandle-oplysninger-sikkert?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=www.version2.dk | May 30 08:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-translate.google.com | Google Translate | May 30 08:19 | |
| schestowitz | = | May 30 08:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Yes, self-hosting the IRC channels is an important move. | May 30 08:31 |
| schestowitz | maybe the logs past midnight are the ones detailing the plan to get off systemd, eventually.... the emotional impulses kicking in are not a new thing/problem, but we can cope OK | May 30 08:32 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | Ok, I'll check them tomorrow | May 30 08:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | In general, in more than just the IRC case, the frenetic, thoughtless reactions | May 30 08:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of the herd are exploited by individuals and groups wishing to divide and | May 30 08:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | disrupt FOSS | May 30 08:48 |
| schestowitz | this is how I see this too, with things like politics used as a non-technical wedge | May 30 08:49 |
| schestowitz | Techrights-sec2: MinceR also has some IRC backend skills, AFAIK, so we have onboard what it takes not to be undermined so easily in this fashion | May 30 08:50 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath cried over this yesterday; all those wars take their toll on people, but we need to get back on top of the key topic | May 30 08:51 |
| Techrights-sec2 | part of it is the FB-style divisiveness, it's inability to allow people | May 30 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to compartmentalize | May 30 08:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | people can, for example, collaborate in FOSS projects despite preferring | May 30 08:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | unacceptable flavors of food, to pick a lame metaphor | May 30 08:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | anyway, I see the new LXC container on HV | May 30 08:55 |
| schestowitz | it can be added to a backup routine at some point | May 30 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I am unfamliar with IRCd, is there anything special to know about backign | May 30 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it up to off-site? | May 30 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | $ ssh 23.161.112.117 | May 30 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ssh: connect to host 23.161.112.117 port 22: Connection refused | May 30 08:58 |
| schestowitz | access it like a container: sudo lxc-attach | May 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | past midnight the chat moved towards how to better federate IRC, and generally have more servers out there rather than few giants. Maybe if we 'master' this IRC thing we can start doing articles and videos about how to do all that... | May 30 09:00 |
| schestowitz | maybe openssh is not installed on that container, which would be understandable | May 30 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok, but that makes it accessible for configuration not necessarily backup | May 30 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes, that's probably best, perhaps there is an established best practice | May 30 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | for legacy (LXC) containers and backups | May 30 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Anyway, it is lean: | May 30 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | # ps | wc -l | May 30 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | 18 | May 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | I am certain there are piping tricks from hv or some place on disk that can be access directly and send outwards, and likely not sophisticated beyond comprehension | May 30 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it might be that lxc-clone would be useful to make a snapshot on HV and then use | May 30 09:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | rsync to copy the clone from HV | May 30 09:07 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a safe thing to try as clone implies no changes made to the original | May 30 09:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | # man lxc-clone | May 30 09:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | /bin/ash: man: not found | May 30 09:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | no ida | May 30 09:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | idea | May 30 09:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | $ lxc-clone | May 30 09:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | -ash: lxc-clone: not found | May 30 09:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there is not a separate package with that name nor anything with that string | May 30 09:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in the description so maybe it is a configuration option which must be enabled? | May 30 09:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'm reluctant to poke around and experiment with a production system. | May 30 09:19 |
| schestowitz | I think the priorities at the moment are by all means infra related, given that we finished the EPO series and got a favourable outcome. I'll have a look later today as news is also slow. | May 30 09:20 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Can wordpress be mirrored at another site for failover? | May 30 09:21 |
| schestowitz | it is always a good idea to have mirrors in case of D-R and other unplanned events. But you know the specs for such a machine, inc. connection, exceed what a home raspi can provide | May 30 09:22 |
| schestowitz | [21:32] <xxxxxx> I think it makes most sense for you to control your own infra and thus maybe make a donation fund of some kind. I'm happy to donate into it, public or privately. | May 30 09:23 |
| schestowitz | [21:32] <xxxxxx> This deplatforming thing is going to get out of hand, but it might end up being a good thing and decentralizing the internet again so to speak. | May 30 09:23 |
| schestowitz | [21:33] <schestowitz> hosting is expensive and it's risky when we depend on aligning with someone else's POV | May 30 09:23 |
| schestowitz | [21:33] <xxxxxx> Exactly | May 30 09:23 |
| schestowitz | [02:51] <xxxxxx> fosshost might be a good option too btw ;) | May 30 09:23 |
| schestowitz | [02:51] <schestowitz> we're fine as it is, but thanks for the pointer | May 30 09:23 |
| schestowitz | [02:53] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> No problem! | May 30 09:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Yes, it would obviously be more beefy | May 30 09:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I was looking at units this morning but the new ones would be outside | May 30 09:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | my price range. | May 30 09:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I agree,and hopefully a positive outcome from these many (artificial) crises | May 30 09:30 |
| Techrights-sec2 | is that more re-decentralization happens | May 30 09:30 |
| schestowitz | we are a lot better prepared for this than our so-called 'competition', hence we manage to turn 15. Wikileaks collapsed after about 12, partly because of those divide-and-rule games, plus blackmail on Moreno. | May 30 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://slimbook.es/en/store/slimbook-one/one-ryzen-7-4800h-comprar | May 30 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | 8 cores only | May 30 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-slimbook.es | ONE : ONE | May 30 09:31 | |
| schestowitz | throughput from home networks would not be enough, even for static site, if we do videos | May 30 09:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I've thought about that. A second, dedicated line would be needed just for TR | May 30 09:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | But 1Gb/s is too easily saturated | May 30 09:33 |
| schestowitz | I cannot find it in (even) Google, but over 5 years ago when Rick Falkvinge had a site, which he was hosting from home, he had about 3 days' downtime due to his ISP being crap | May 30 09:34 |
| schestowitz | SLAs for a home and a datacentre with lots of tenants will never be the same | May 30 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I kind of recall that too, but the grenades come to mind more | May 30 09:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | However, moving to a static site would enable easy mirroring with | May 30 09:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Round-Robin DNS or something | May 30 09:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Host at home will mean downtime for minutes or hours per year | May 30 09:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | But with several mirrors that can be minimized over all | May 30 09:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Going static would reduce the need for hefty CPUs too | May 30 09:37 |
| schestowitz | 1. certain we will go static one day 2. will need to sort out how to manage round robins with reliable sources (hashes/checksums), maybe there's software for that already, if not, might need to develop it | May 30 09:38 |
| schestowitz | over the past 2-3 years we became more of a technical front, developing and advocating solutions to emergent or growing issues, namely 'cancel' and 'deplatforming'. The hope is that more will then follow, e.g. ipfs, self-hosted capsules | May 30 09:41 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | there are several good movements: small web, re-decentralization, gemini, etc | May 30 09:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The cancel stuff is highly weaponized and plays on social control media | May 30 09:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and people's mindless rabidity online | May 30 09:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | with the static site, the old stuff can be extracted and made static like | May 30 09:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | has been done with Gemini. Then anything new can be made with | May 30 09:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a static site generator on a small server and then pushed out to | May 30 09:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the active mirrors using rsync | May 30 09:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-dns-round-robin-load-balancing-for-high-availability | May 30 09:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.digitalocean.com | How To Configure DNS Round-Robin Load-Balancing For High-Availability | DigitalOcean | May 30 09:52 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | Then the active mirrors do not need high privacy and could be small | May 30 09:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | units spread out over multiple data centres | May 30 09:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I guess even wget could be used to convert the existing site to static pages. | May 30 09:52 |
| schestowitz | with gemini we can already do an experiment with round robin if you want.. e.g. you keeping a copy of the capsule and me setting dns differently. For a while we had australia (well, tasmania) instance for gemini... until the banana pi was taken offline | May 30 09:53 |
| schestowitz | at the moment if my home connection is down there's no way, not even a web proxy, for access to the capsule | May 30 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Oliva and RMS are giving a talk tomorrow. They recently did a paper + presentation that mentioned gemini, I think Oliva was influenced by TR | May 30 09:55 |
| schestowitz | at the very least we can have multiple gemini addresses, a primary/secondary or peer address, which in turn points to a peer/mirror. I don't have limits that I know of for subdomains or maybe I'm nowhere near the limit | May 30 09:56 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | no new subdomains would be needed but would be useful | May 30 10:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the round-robin DNS works by assigning multiple IP addresses to a single | May 30 10:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | domain | May 30 10:28 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking more like gemini.techrights.org (round robin ha) and then g1.techrights.org, g2.techrights.org, g3.techrights.org, and so on... (no need to hard-code static IPs into the main one, can also bypass the main one) | May 30 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I have meanwhile made changes so as to fuse together the self-hosted and the freenode channels. This way there is duality of sorts, I'm just testing it a bit more... | May 30 10:30 |
| schestowitz__ | this is self-hosting test | May 30 10:31 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | gemini.techrights.org could point to g3.techrights.org, etc. that's | May 30 11:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | kind of how it would work. But the load for Gemini is not as heavy as for | May 30 11:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | HTTP | May 30 11:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | HTTP has the bandwidth load as well as the CPU load | May 30 11:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://system76.com/servers/jacp12b/configure | May 30 11:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-system76.com | Configure your Jackal Pro 1U - System76 | May 30 11:07 | |
| schestowitz | I've just settled and tested all the IRC logging. We're not decentralised and semi-self-hosted, no single point of failure | May 30 11:07 |
| schestowitz | *we're now | May 30 11:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Ok good. | May 30 11:12 |
| schestowitz | setting up gemini mirror would involve: copying across ~/gemini or rsyncing it across, then starting agate, adding the key+cert pair. If the domain directs to that it can be considered trustworthy. | May 30 11:30 |
| schestowitz | no need to generate anything on mirror, just rsync across, assuming it's OK to have one "master" ('primary') and then clones around it | May 30 11:31 |
| schestowitz | bonus: we might ever be the world's first clustered gemini capsule, not just the biggest | May 30 11:32 |
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| Techrights-sec | By the way, these two go together: | May 30 15:22 |
| Techrights-sec | http://techrights.org/2021/05/28/rms-swpats-talk/ | May 30 15:22 |
| Techrights-sec | rms-on-patents.transcript.txt | May 30 15:22 |
| Techrights-sec | I think | May 30 15:22 |
| Techrights-sec | "re-decentralize" | May 30 15:22 |
| Techrights-sec | in draft title | May 30 15:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Old Talk by Dr. Richard Stallman About How Patents Work | Techrights | May 30 15:22 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I will correct this, it is still transcording (just started) | May 30 15:22 |
| schestowitz | transcript added | May 30 15:35 |
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| Techrights-sec | thanks. the transcripts help, especially in Gemini | May 30 19:22 |
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