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schestowitz[TR2]https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2025-05/msg00000.htmlMay 02 03:09
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-lists.gnu.org | Re: Can AI distinguish "libre" from "gratis"?May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]\""* Akira Urushibata <afu@wta.att.ne.jp> [2025-04-28 20:08]:May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> Other items of the list discussed ticket prices, access to theMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> grounds.  Obviously the above text was generated by AI, for it isMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> unlikely for a human being to err in this manner, but Google does notMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> clarify.  (Confirmed April 28 Japan time)  So, one part of GoogleMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> (probably AI) treats the exposition as canceled while another partMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> understands that it is in progress.  There is a failure to noticeMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> an obvious contradiction.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]It is their organization. You can complain to them. Take itMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]realistically, you can't do nothing much about organizations that areMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]not under your control.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Don't expect "corporate responsibility" as they are money driven, theyMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]have responsibility to making income, not to random people.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> Can AI distinguish between "free" as in "free drinks" and "free" as inMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> "freedom"?May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Run the so-called "AI" or the Large Language Model (LLM) on your ownMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]computer and find it out!May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#ArtificialIntelligenceMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]The word AI as such is not wrong, but when used in wrong context forMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]sensationalism or anthropomorphism of computer programs it leadsMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]people to wrong conclusions. Point is that it doesn't think.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Your message proves that it doesn't think.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Back to question if Large Language Model (LLM) can understand "free" as in May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]freedom related to free software:May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]- ask your favorite LLM what is free software. Sample answer byMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]  GLM-4-9B-0414-Q8_0.gguf Large Language Model (LLM) says that it canMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]  understand it: May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]https://gnu.support/files/tmp/clipboard-2025-05-01-08-35-21.htmlMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]If you start talking to the LLM in the context of price, it may probably answer May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]in that way. Let's try:May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> I can't afford Microsoft proprietary software, should I instead use free May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> software?May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Answer:May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]https://gnu.support/files/tmp/clipboard-2025-05-01-08-37-51.htmlMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Answer is quite aligned to meanings of free software.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]I have other 100 models which I could test, but there is no need toMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]exaggerate. I can tell you that my experience is that it doesMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]understand the meaning of free software as majority of models haveMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]been trained on information which provides those meanings.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> We should watch out for this. May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]You can watch, but is waste of time.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]If you wish to make things right, take datasets and fine-tune someMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]models. But I think that is also waste of time.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]The effort to correct society on the importance of free software,May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]especially when common knowledge lacks sufficient references, would beMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]like trying to teach a new language to a community that still speaksMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]an old one.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Reality is that there is sufficient information on free software andMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]that information is part of each Large Language Model (LLM) so farMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]that I have tried out, it is more than 100+ different Large LanguageMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Models (LLM).May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> The above makes me think that we should not expect much.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Expecting is passive attitude of an observer. You can be causal andMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]influence society. May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]First is to understand that you can run the Large Language Model (LLM)May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]locally.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]THUDM/GLM-4: GLM-4 series: Open Multilingual Multimodal Chat LMs | 开源多语言多模态对话模型May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]https://github.com/THUDM/GLM-4May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Get your hardware and run it locally. May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]There is no point in staying behind the computer technologyMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]developments. Run it locally, do the research, understand that thereMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]there many many different Large Language Model (LLM) and then startMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]benchmarking and testing.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> Even if we observe AI getting the distinction right in a number ofMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> cases we should not expect it to be always correct.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Good conclusion!May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]I consider all information generated by the Large Language Model (LLM)May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]as a draft of a possibly correct answer.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> For one thing many people are confused and much has been writtenMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> based on the mistake.  it is unreasonable to expect that none of theMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> erroneous material has been fed to the large language model (LLM)May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> neural networks for training.  In addition the above exampleMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> indicates that AI is not good at coping with lack of integrity.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> Perhaps a contradiction which is obvious to a human being is notMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> so for AI.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]What is erroneous material or not, is not subject for the LargeMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Language Model (LLM). That is subject of human discussions andMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]opinions. May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]There is no right or wrong for the Large Language Model (LLM).May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Datasets used in training are by the rule biased by people who createdMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]There is no right or wrong for the llmthe information.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]There is no right or wrong for the Large Language Model (LLM).May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]It is like watching TV stations over the world. You cannot get theMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]single objective truth, but you get variety of human information whereMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]you need to keep the principle of deciding what is right or wrong forMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]yourself.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Anybody who thinks “let me teach Large Language Model [LLM] what isMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]right or wrong” is automatically creating a new biased and censoredMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]version that won’t represent information to the user so they canMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]decide about it, as what was considered wrong by the author may not beMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]wrong for the user.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Your attempt of wronging any Large Language Model (LLM) is futile. ItMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]is text generation tool. To blame anyone condition is to know who wasMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]responsible for "training" of the Large Language Model (LLM). And whyMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]do that in first place? Anybody can make their own Large LanguageMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Model (LLM), similarly like people are creating websites individually.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> Related article: Researchers have found methods to investigate what isMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> going on inside the neural networks that power AI.  They haveMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> discovered that the process differs greatly from human reasoning.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]There are sciences of mind though so far there is no consensus howMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]human mind works exactly. I don't think we have a stable informationMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]about human reasoning that could be compared to computer base neuralMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]networks.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]But -- when I hear that researches have found methods to investigateMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]what is going on inside the neural networks, it only means that thoseMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]were beginners, and there were previous researchers who createdMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]neuaral networks knowing exactly what is going on.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]So article is in the sense contradictory and sensationalist.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> We Now Know How AI 'Thinks'--and It's Barely Thinking at AllMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/now-know-ai-thinks-barely-010000603.htmlMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Is not worth reading even. It is made for Yahoo readers, part of entertainment. May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]It is well established that Large Language Model (LLM) doesn'tMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]think. There is no "barely thinking", there is ZERO thinking. It isMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]data and computer program giving you output of that data, giving theMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]impression of mimicking, due to usage of natural language.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]I think it is greatest tool so far in 21st century as it empowersMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]human to be 10 times or 100 times faster in various tasks.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Of course, it doesn't think.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> Though I don't follow developments in this field closely, what isMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> written in this article confirms my suspicions.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Good cognition!May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> Another way to see this is that the AI developers now have theMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> equivalent of a debugger which allows them to probe the internalMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]> process.  This is likely to affect development.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Of course! All tokens can be seen, analysed, layers of the LargeMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Language Model (LLM) can be visually inspected, analyzed to everyMay 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]detail when necessary.May 02 03:09
schestowitz[TR2]Jean LouisMay 02 03:09
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.gnu.org | Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationMay 02 03:09
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-GitHub - THUDM/GLM-4: GLM-4 series: Open Multilingual Multimodal Chat LMs | 开源多语言多模态对话模型May 02 03:11
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-finance.yahoo.com | We Now Know How AI ‘Thinks’—and It’s Barely Thinking at AllMay 02 03:12
schestowitz[TR2]https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jt73dc44May 02 03:14
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schestowitz[TR2]"May 02 03:14
schestowitz[TR2]Salary cut optionMay 02 03:14
schestowitz[TR2]If you had an option: take a salary cut or get laid off, what would you do. If salary cut what percentage would you be open to take.May 02 03:14
schestowitz[TR2]"May 02 03:14
schestowitz[TR2]"May 02 03:14
schestowitz[TR2]I would accept approximately zero point zero. I retired at IBM. Much earlier, I worked for a startup that found itself in some trouble. In that case, the idea of a salary cut was a possibility because the management was 100% up front about our situation. In the case of IBM, no chance. The company can easily afford you but would like to chose not to. Probably because they want to move your job to the subcontinent.May 02 03:14
schestowitz[TR2]Seriously, unless they can come up with a really compelling reason to cut your salary and an explanation of how this can help you in the long term, choose your dignity first. Better to d!e on your feet than live on your knees, dude. Zero point zero.May 02 03:14
schestowitz[TR2]"May 02 03:14
schestowitz[TR2]"Was this option offered to you ? If so, what group do you work in?May 02 03:15
schestowitz[TR2]I have not heard of this before. They would rather cut bait with people completely. Not reduce salary. "May 02 03:15
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schestowitz[TR2]"Bill Gates' daughter accidentally reveals billionaire's bombshell medical diagnosis | Daily Mail Online"May 02 11:08
schestowitz[TR2]x https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14670255/bill-gates-daughter-reveals-medical-diagnosis.htmlMay 02 11:08
schestowitz[TR2]# a transparent playMay 02 11:08
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.dailymail.co.uk | Bill Gates' daughter accidentally reveals billionaire's bombshell medical diagnosis | Daily Mail OnlineMay 02 11:08
schestowitz[TR2]"US stocks boosted by gains in Microsoft, Meta"May 02 11:15
schestowitz[TR2]x https://today.rtl.lu/news/business-and-tech/a/2299267.htmlMay 02 11:15
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schestowitz[TR2]https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jt73dc44May 02 14:17
schestowitz[TR2]"May 02 14:17
schestowitz[TR2]Before Gerstner destroyed IBM forever 4-1-93 IBM for decades had a no layoff policy because founder Thomas J Watson Sr had led a very tough life starting out selling organs and pianos and sewing machines from the back of a horse drawn carriage going from town to town in upstate NY. He and then his son Thomas J Watson Jr were CEOs for over 50 years. Sr was also convicted on monopoly practices when he was at NCR that later were wipedMay 02 14:17
schestowitz[TR2] away after he made massive donations after huge floods in NY. They passionately believed in full employment. So much so that wen IBM hit hard times, and they did, they did cut salaries etc and had people sweep floors and paint bldgs etc but did not layoff people. This built huge goodwill for the Watsons and IBM and for decades people would go far and above knowing IBM would be there for them and take care of them. That was quicklyMay 02 14:17
schestowitz[TR2] erased by Gerstner. I joined in the early 80s when IBM was doing very well and John Opel was CEO who then passed it to John Akers but THOUGHT the competition was from Japanese firms Hitachi and Fujitsu who had plug compatible mainframes but in hind sight it was the PC and other distributed computing that "came up from the bottom" that IBM thought were toys and would pass.May 02 14:17
schestowitz[TR2]"May 02 14:17
schestowitz[TR2]Watson was a "criminal sociopath" (that's according to Black), who was "convicted on extortion"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMF6hirWXI8May 02 14:20
schestowitz[TR2]He also saluted Hitler (with a Nazi salute).May 02 14:20
schestowitz[TR2]Let's not tell IBM fairytales about a mythical Watson.May 02 14:20
schestowitz[TR2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocsrkya-BfkMay 02 14:20
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schestowitz[TR2]https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jt7xrzefMay 02 14:22
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schestowitz[TR2]""May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]All the king's horses and all the king's menMay 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]Couldn't put Humpty together again.May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]2 hours ago by AnonymousMay 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]| 2 reactions (+2/-0)May 02 14:22
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schestowitz[TR2] 0 May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]Some loser has apparently made his life's work to post reich wing cr-p on here.May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]He really needs to stick (sticky?) to whacking off in his mom's basement. That is more productive.May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]3 hours ago by AnonymousMay 02 14:22
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schestowitz[TR2] +3 May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]Tweedledum and TweedledeeMay 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]3 hours ago by AnonymousMay 02 14:22
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schestowitz[TR2]This site should be about layoffs not far right and radically conservative racist ideology. I read the articles from the right and I realize its just mass brainwashing to make Americans feel as if we have been victimized and cause division which makes ud in turn willing to victimize minority groups. Let's stay on a high level of professionalism and discuss layoff data and things like how we can find other jobs for our colleagues anMay 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]d ourselves if laid off.May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]3 hours ago by AnonymousMay 02 14:22
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schestowitz[TR2]Oh Really ? Is that why the article on the IBM realignment and the associated comments at this site was take down (deleted) this week ?May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]As someone has already pointed out in another thread, IBM is only investing $150 Billion over the next decade to move jobs from the USA to India. There will be minimal job creation in the USA. More smoke and mirrors from IBM and IBM HR. The job movement will be done under any pretext that Alvind can use to justify his $100 million bonus in 2026 - AI, Cost cutting, job realignment, whatever. When you hire a crook as IBM CEO and ChaiMay 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]rman, that's what you should expect.May 02 14:22
schestowitz[TR2]"May 02 14:22
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schestowitz[TR2]https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jt7xrzefMay 02 20:06
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schestowitz[TR2]"May 02 20:06
schestowitz[TR2]Given Arvind's mostly achieved plan to replace most of the company from India, I'm sure he is all against DEI now. After all, this is the way they can avoid hiring any view expensive white guys. (Not how you planned it turning out is it? lol)May 02 20:06
schestowitz[TR2]1 hour ago by F ArvindMay 02 20:06
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schestowitz[TR2] 0 May 02 20:06
schestowitz[TR2]Ma n'atu sole cchiù bello, oi ne',May 02 20:06
schestowitz[TR2]'o sole mio sta nfronte a te!May 02 20:06
schestowitz[TR2]'o sole, 'o sole mioMay 02 20:06
schestowitz[TR2]sta nfronte a te, sta nfronte a te!May 02 20:06
schestowitz[TR2]5 hours ago by AnonymousMay 02 20:06
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schestowitz[TR2]@ak and @af -- It's posters like these two radical leftists (likely Jacobins) that contributed to the death of DEI.May 02 20:06
schestowitz[TR2]"May 02 20:06
schestowitz[TR2]   <li>May 02 20:13
schestowitz[TR2]                                    <h5><a href="https://linuxiac.com/tails-6-15-update-drops-support-for-legacy-broadcom-wi-fi-chips/">Tails 6.15 Update Drops Support for Legacy Broadcom Wi-Fi Chips</a></h5>May 02 20:13
schestowitz[TR2]                                    <blockquote>May 02 20:13
schestowitz[TR2]                                        <p>The bundled Tor Browser jumps to the latest upstream version, 14.5.1, bringing along backported fixes from Firefox 138 and other security hardening work. </p>May 02 20:13
schestowitz[TR2]                                        <p> Under the hood, Tails now runs on top of a newer, long-term support Linux kernel, version 6.1, specifically 6.1.135, which plugs recently disclosed vulnerabilities and expands hardware support. This version also backports several BPF verification fixes that have been drawing attention in the mainline thread. </p>May 02 20:13
schestowitz[TR2]                                    </blockquote>May 02 20:13
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schestowitz[TR2]                                May 02 20:13
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