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| schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/10/linux_6_5_rc1_bcachefs/">Linus Torvalds calls for calm as bcachefs misses Linux 6.5</a></h5> | Jul 10 15:29 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | Jul 10 15:29 |
| schestowitz | <p>He also voiced his "slight suspicion that this may be one of those releases that may drag out, not because there are any particular issues I expect problems with, but simply due to [a] lot of Europe going on vacation for the month of August."</p> | Jul 10 15:29 |
| schestowitz | </blockquote> | Jul 10 15:29 |
| schestowitz | </li> | Jul 10 15:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theregister.com | Linus Torvalds calls for calm as bcachefs misses Linux 6.5 • The Register | Jul 10 15:29 | |
| schestowitz | <li> | Jul 10 15:32 |
| schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://akselmo.dev/posts/trust-in-software-is-important/">Trust in software is important for me</a></h5> | Jul 10 15:32 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | Jul 10 15:32 |
| schestowitz | <p>Now, Fedora got recently a proposal to add opt-out telemetry.</p> | Jul 10 15:32 |
| schestowitz | <p>Considering Fedora and Red Hat are tied to each other on some level, it again has affected the user trust. Mainly negatively.</p> | Jul 10 15:32 |
| schestowitz | </blockquote> | Jul 10 15:32 |
| schestowitz | </li> | Jul 10 15:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-akselmo.dev | Trust in software is important for me | Jul 10 15:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36667078 | Jul 10 16:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Canonical and IBM Are Turning Ubuntu and Fedora into Microsoft Windows | Hacker News | Jul 10 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Dr Roy on HN. This will be interesting. | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | - - - | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | First thing I did on my Ubuntu install was remove the Firefox snap, add the Mozilla ppa, and install Firefox from there via apt. | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | If Mozilla maintains its own ppa and they do all the hard working of getting everything working, I don’t understand why Canonical has to push a snap option instead. | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | I did give it a try, but only to get obnoxious popups about being forced to restart Firefox every other day for snap to update, and these popups would even bring my monitor out of dpms (and maybe my machine out of sleep?) to inform me of this. But even heeding these prompts, Firefox would still update in the background leaving me unable to open a new tab because IPC broke since the master and slave processes were now running different F | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | irefox versions.. | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | reply | Jul 10 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | tapoxi 2 minutes ago | prev | next [–] | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Garbage article. The author claims that Flatpak (which is decentralized) is an attempt at centralizing software since Flathub (not controlled by IBM/Red Hat) is popular. Also any telemetry is awful, even telemetry that is open and optional. | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | reply | Jul 10 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | loloquwowndueo 22 minutes ago | prev | next [–] | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | “Canonical keeping up by taking control of LXD (monopoly!)” - it was revealed today that this was motivated by the lead of the LXD project leaving Canonical. | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | reply | Jul 10 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | rollcat 10 minutes ago | prev | next [–] | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | https://web.archive.org/web/20230710143554/http://techrights... | Jul 10 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | chaosite 5 minutes ago | parent | next [–] | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/nKH8O | Jul 10 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | malfist 3 minutes ago | prev [–] | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Come on, this is clickbait. | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Want to discuss particular failings in the governance models of Ubuntu or Fedora? Fine. Let's talk about it. We can even discuss if that specific feature of the governance model is similar to an action Microsoft is/has taken. | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Vague statements about two different governance models "turning into" a monopoly OS? There's no cogent baseline here to talk about. It's just clickbait and belly aching. | Jul 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz | reply" | Jul 10 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | If you wanted to make some kind of argument about what's going on with RHEL, I'd hear you out... but Fedora is and remains a community project. While Red Hat certainly has a strong voice in the team meetings, development continues to occur in the open. And while it is true that the Fedora project is considering adding telemetry to Fedora 40, they're openly discussing what kinds of telemetry are ethical before even committing to adding a | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | ny telemetry. It's a stretch to equate this immediately to Microsoft Windows. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | > We believe an open source community can ethically collect limited aggregate data on how its software is used without involving big data companies or building creepy tracking profiles that are not in the best interests of users. Users will have the option to disable data upload before any data is sent for the first time. Our service will be operated by Fedora on Fedora infrastructure, and will not depend on Google Analytics or any othe | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | r controversial third-party services. And in contrast to proprietary software operating systems, you can redirect the data collection to your own private metrics server instead of Fedora’s to see precisely what data is being collected from you, because the server components are open source too.[1] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | While I'd personally love to see opt-in rather than opt-out telemetry, I believe in the value that telemetry can provide to projects hoping to improve their software/OS offerings. I'm glad to see open discussion on the subject of how to do so ethically. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | [1] https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-pr... | Jul 10 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | sandworm101 1 minute ago | parent | next [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | >> While I'd personally love to see opt-in rather than opt-out telemetry | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I think the vast majority of Linux users would not opt-in to any sort of telemetry. Some would consciously make a determination, but MS/Windows has trained the bulk of us to just say no to such things during any sort of install procedure. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | reply | Jul 10 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | ComputerGuru 9 minutes ago | prev | next [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Dr Roy on HN. This will be interesting. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | - - - | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | First thing I did on my Ubuntu install was remove the Firefox snap, add the Mozilla ppa, and install Firefox from there via apt. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | If Mozilla maintains its own ppa and they do all the hard working of getting everything working, I don’t understand why Canonical has to push a snap option instead. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I did give it a try, but only to get obnoxious popups about being forced to restart Firefox every other day for snap to update, and these popups would even bring my monitor out of dpms (and maybe my machine out of sleep?) to inform me of this. But even heeding these prompts, Firefox would still update in the background leaving me unable to open a new tab because IPC broke since the master and slave processes were now running different F | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | irefox versions.. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | reply | Jul 10 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | gjsman-1000 1 minute ago | parent | next [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | This is the same guy who claimed that you should "never, ever, use DuckDuckGo" which was quickly flagged to oblivion for being absurd. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31237822 | Jul 10 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | tapoxi 10 minutes ago | prev | next [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Garbage article. The author claims that Flatpak (which is decentralized) is an attempt at centralizing software since Flathub (not controlled by IBM/Red Hat) is popular. Also any telemetry is awful, even telemetry that is open and optional. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | reply | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Jul 10 16:46 | |
| schestowitz | tpush 7 minutes ago | parent | next [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Opt-out telemetry is indeed awful, no matter how righteous one feels in the cause to get it. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | reply | Jul 10 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | tapoxi 5 minutes ago | root | parent | next [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm going to be controversial and disagree with this. If you're being onboarded to an app, and there's a "enable telemetry?" button and it's clear and checked by default, that's not awful. If your data is sufficiently anonymized, that's the only way you're going to get actual user data, otherwise it's skewed to be those that go out of the way to enable it - in other words, not normal users. | Jul 10 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | loloquwowndueo 30 minutes ago | prev | next [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | “Canonical keeping up by taking control of LXD (monopoly!)” - it was revealed today that this was motivated by the lead of the LXD project leaving Canonical. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | reply | Jul 10 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | aeurielesn 2 minutes ago | prev | next [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm glad I stopped Ubuntu over a decade ago. I didn't appreciate their "philosophy" nor technical choices. | Jul 10 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | rollcat 18 minutes ago | prev | next [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | https://web.archive.org/web/20230710143554/http://techrights... | Jul 10 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | chaosite 13 minutes ago | parent | next [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/nKH8O | Jul 10 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | malfist 11 minutes ago | prev [–] | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Come on, this is clickbait. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Want to discuss particular failings in the governance models of Ubuntu or Fedora? Fine. Let's talk about it. We can even discuss if that specific feature of the governance model is similar to an action Microsoft is/has taken. | Jul 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Vague statements about two different governance models "turning into" a monopoly OS? There's no cogent baseline here to talk about. It's just clickbait and belly aching." | Jul 10 16:46 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-pr ) | Jul 10 16:47 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo (2020) | Hacker News | Jul 10 16:47 | |
| schestowitz | "I'm glad I stopped Ubuntu over a decade ago. I didn't appreciate their "philosophy" nor technical choices. | Jul 10 16:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 16:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 16:48 |
| schestowitz | No, data collection ought to always be based on informed consent. A default enabled checkbox that can easily be skipped over does not constitute informed consent. | Jul 10 16:48 |
| schestowitz | I agree that opt-in telemetry however is useless. | Jul 10 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Thus, the only ethical and useful option is forced choice; i.e. present the user with two unselected options where a decision between them must be made. | Jul 10 16:48 |
| schestowitz | This is e.g. how Apple designed its usage data option for the Apple TV, AFAIK. Two unselected options, given equal weight and styling etc." | Jul 10 16:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20230710143554/http://techrights ) | Jul 10 16:48 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). ( status 0 @ https://archive.is/nKH8O ) | Jul 10 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | ckbox that can easily be skip | Jul 10 16:59 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36839/ | Jul 10 16:59 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-LXer: Important, also remember StatCounter error rate is [he]gt[/he]90%: After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share | Jul 10 16:59 | |
| schestowitz | "StatCounter, reports something as fact, you can safely ignore it." | Jul 10 16:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Come on, this is clickbait. | Jul 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Want to discuss particular failings in the governance models of Ubuntu or Fedora? Fine. Let's talk about it. We can even discuss if that specific feature of the governance model is similar to an action Microsoft is/has taken. | Jul 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Vague statements about two different governance models "turning into" a monopoly OS? There's no cogent baseline here to talk about. It's just clickbait and belly aching." | Jul 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz | ""By that logic, it should be fine to have a big obvious "enable telemetry?" button that's disabled by default, right? Because otherwise you're just assuming that people will ignore it and leave things on the default setting, and claiming that it's okay to exploit that to enable telemetry. | Jul 10 17:54 |
| schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36667078 | Jul 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | FYI, Mozilla also maintains the snap and the flathub images, so that part of the argument doesn't have much traction imho. | Jul 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Can't speak to waking from a sleep state (even just screen off)... that said, having an evergreen browser is pretty important, given how bad 0-day exploits can be. This is also part of why Snaps instead of the repo/ppa for such things as GUI apps. Snap and Flatpak both have advantages and disadvantages over each other, technical and ethical. | Jul 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | That said, by using such an abstraction for common applications, it allows for the applications to be released ahead of core OS changes. It allows the delivery of both application features and security updates without risk to the core os running. | Jul 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | I know some really hate AppImage/Flatpak/Snaps etc. In the end, it's better in a lot of ways and there are distros for those that don't want to participate. It's still likely the best option for most apps for most people. It allows for developers of software to generate releases that can be consumed from any Linux distro without having to worry about specific downstream distros potentially breaking things, or worse, running unmaintained | Jul 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | , years old, versions that are broken. | Jul 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | reply | Jul 10 19:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Canonical and IBM Are Turning Ubuntu and Fedora into Microsoft Windows | Hacker News | Jul 10 19:50 | |
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