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| schestowitz | <Ingar> he reminds me of another persisten troll I (we/our team) had to deal with many years ago | Mar 15 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | <Ingar> and that one time I had 5K spambots on my wiki | Mar 15 01:21 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> 90% or more of the users in irc are known | Mar 15 01:23 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> they will get voice | Mar 15 01:23 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> even if they are not authenticated | Mar 15 01:23 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> the rest -- probationary | Mar 15 01:23 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> we dealt with similar abuse for years | Mar 15 01:23 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> also k-line netblocks used by the abuser | Mar 15 01:23 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> as for doxxing, report to the authorities | Mar 15 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | <ted-ious> How are new users going to report problems with the website if they don't get voice? | Mar 15 02:24 |
| schestowitz | <ted-ious> And if you k-line netblocks then a spammer can get large parts of the internet banned automatically. | Mar 15 02:24 |
| schestowitz | <ted-ious> How are new users going to report problems with the website if they don't get voice? | Mar 15 02:48 |
| schestowitz | <ted-ious> And if you k-line netblocks then a spammer can get large parts of the internet banned automatically. | Mar 15 02:48 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> it is a _temporary_ tradeoff when people exploit your openness to break in and vandalise | Mar 15 02:48 |
| schestowitz | <ted-ious> When does it stop? | Mar 15 03:10 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> when RoI is low | Mar 15 03:10 |
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| schestowitz | <ted-ious> When does it stop? | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> when RoI is low | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <ted-ious> When return on investment is low? | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <ted-ious> I don't understand what that has to do with irc or users giving feedback on the website. | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <ted-ious> Sorry if I'm being dense but I'm just a news reader and submitter who likes to type to other people on the internet. | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <chromas> This isn't a channel for reporting though | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> the trolls does classic "poison the mind" | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> *troll | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> that's the RoI | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> one person doing /ignore is ignoring the issue | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> speaking from personal experience here... | Mar 15 05:56 |
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| schestowitz | <ted-ious> chromas: Right I was speaking in general. | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <ted-ious> I thought that's what the discussion was about. | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <chromas> We could +rm all the chans except for #help and #soylent though | Mar 15 05:56 |
| schestowitz | <janrinok> This IS the channel that most people come to when they want to report problems. This is the one that the various documents refer to as the place to gather when the site goes down. | Mar 15 07:43 |
| schestowitz | <janrinok> chromas, I see no problem with +rm on every channel except for this one, #governance and #help, but that will not solve any perceived problems. I don't know who we are supposed to report an anonymous spammer who is switching VPNs to - so that suggestion is not going to fly at all. I don't have a problem with spammers here. Most people know who he is and are not affected by what he says. | Mar 15 07:43 |
| schestowitz | anrinok> damn - I printed those comments on the WRONG channel. This is for discussions on Governance. | Mar 15 07:52 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> janrinok: thanks for taking the time to respond | Mar 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> regardless of your feelings on the matter, the methods will be: | Mar 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> upset the most critical or productive person | Mar 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> like NCommander in the old days | Mar 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> then move on to the next... and the next after that | Mar 15 07:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-wiki.znc.in | ZNC | Mar 15 07:52 | |
| schestowitz | <janrinok> there is NO simple solution. The effort required cannot be justified. There are alternative ways of defeating this problem. I have to say that discussing it in public is NOT helping matters. | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <janrinok> We are already receiving submissions - probably from the spammer - quoting YOUR comments here on IRC. | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <janrinok> You are being accused of being another spammer. | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> that'sthe cost of tacklign the issue | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <janrinok> We can always discuss this in a PM | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> in the long run | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <janrinok> My first priority is the site itself, not IRC. | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> i know | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <janrinok> I am not discussing it further here. It is the wrong channel, and it is not helping us. | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz[TR]> thanks, i will respect this wishh | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <janrinok> PM me if you wish | Mar 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | "Why a TikTok ban wouldn’t make social media safer" | Mar 15 08:37 |
| schestowitz | x https://www.vox.com/technology/24100104/banning-tiktok-us-senate-ineffective-and-harmful-bill | Mar 15 08:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Why a TikTok ban wouldn’t make social media safer - Vox | Mar 15 08:37 | |
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| schestowitz | <li> | Mar 15 11:04 |
| schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://rubenerd.com/movable-type-and-the-rise-of-wordpress/">Rubenerd</a></h5> | Mar 15 11:04 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | Mar 15 11:04 |
| schestowitz | <p>He explains that WordPress even today can’t match Movable Type’s usability or feature set, but that WordPress was open source and benefitted from this exodus. WordPress’s install base is made more impressive when you realise it didn’t have first-mover advantage. </p> | Mar 15 11:04 |
| schestowitz | </blockquote> | Mar 15 11:04 |
| schestowitz | </li> | Mar 15 11:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Rubenerd | Mar 15 11:04 | |
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| schestowitz | and it loaded whatever dos was on it | Mar 15 11:37 |
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