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| schestowitz | (01:05:18) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: 0/ | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:05:24) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: that's better | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:05:28) xxxxxxxx: lol | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:05:30) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: less bloated, more responsive | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:05:38) xxxxxxxx: indeed | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:05:46) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: sooo.... about xxxx | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:06:01) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I think I misunderstood how writers access it | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:06:06) xxxxxxxx: ok | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:06:06) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: based on what xxx had said | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:06:10) xxxxxxxx: ic | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:06:36) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: however, we don't need to assume VPN if we just make another (sub)domain | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:06:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: we can just use that, I think, to let them bypass CG | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:06:53) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: CF | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:07:22) xxxxxxxx: But their security is based on CF - only CF ip's access the server on AWS | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:07:52) xxxxxxxx: So we would need to open up the server to the outside world which defeats their security | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:09:02) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: does CF not get linked at the domain/CMS level? | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:09:24) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Or, alternatively, at CF site we can tell it not to apply policies to one domain | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:09:36) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I believe we did that for xxxxx | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:09:54) xxxxxxxx: Can you find it for me? I can't see the setting | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | 01:10 | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:10:32) xxxxxxxx: As far as I can see policies affect the whole domain | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:11:45) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I think xxxx did that at the time | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:11:51) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: they had admin.fooc... | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:11:54) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: *fodd | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:11:58) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: food even | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:12:07) xxxxxxxx: Can you find the setting for me then? | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:12:29) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I can try to research that, hang on... | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:12:33) xxxxxxxx: thanks | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:13:40) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200172316-How-do-I-exclude-a-specific-URL-from-Cloudflare-s-caching- | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:13:53) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: can use wildcard | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | (01:14:09) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: https://www.example.com/admin.php | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:14:13) xxxxxxxx: Ah okay | Oct 19 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | (01:14:23) xxxxxxxx: Well I'll look into it then | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:14:31) xxxxxxxx: And I'll reply to xxxxx! | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:14:32) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: also for site as a whole | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:14:43) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: for them to see it when restricted mode | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:14:47) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: cheers | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:14:55) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: for us it's a service we can profit from | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | 01:15 | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:15:05) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: that's how we're >suppose< to see it | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:15:10) xxxxxxxx: lol | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:15:11) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: suppose | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:15:15) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: >>supposed | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:15:42) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: (not the way I look at things always... but when I worked in a computer shop it was like thos) | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:16:05) xxxxxxxx: No, I understaand | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:17:34) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: that's a whole 'nother discussion | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:17:48) xxxxxxxx: yup | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:17:49) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: since they asked for bypassing CF challenges | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:17:56) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: and this would, in general, be possible | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:18:01) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: even if not cheaply | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:18:33) xxxxxxxx: The easiest would be to lower the security threshold - but I'll look into this now and get back to xxxx | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | 01:20 | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:20:35) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: cheers | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:20:38) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: speak tomorrow... | Oct 19 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (01:20:46) xxxxxxxx: Yep, will do! | Oct 19 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SassaNelly/status/1185410814834106369 | Oct 19 05:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@SassaNelly: C'est pas cet article là, mais celui-là est un sujet dans les gens s'inquiètent vraiment. #purpleJackets #linux https://t.co/ibtIQhsxOK | Oct 19 05:57 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | C'est pas cet article là, mais celui-là est un sujet dans les gens s'inquiètent vraiment. | Oct 19 05:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | There Won’t be Patent Justice Until Patent Trolling Becomes Completely and Totally Extinct | Techrights | Oct 19 05:57 | |
| schestowitz | #purpleJackets #linux | Oct 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | Translated from French by Microsoft | Oct 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | It's not that article there, but this one is a topic in people really worry about. | Oct 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | #purpleJackets #linux | Oct 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | "I left the OSI board at the end of the summer after I lost four family members in an eight week period (my mother, my favorite aunt, and two nephews). I consider this a private matter, and would appreciate it if you would respect my privacy on my reasons for leaving the board. Thank you." | Oct 19 05:58 |
| schestowitz | sorry about the loss. my deepest condolences. | Oct 19 05:58 |
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| schestowitz | > i saw it. | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | > working on it. | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | > > is that article online? | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | >> FOR IMMEDIATE PUBLICATION: | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | >> ("I really hope Jagadees likes this one") | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | >> Should Anybody Dictate the Free Software Movement? | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | >> By figosdev | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | >> working on it... | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | >> this person wanted to do a response article to yours | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | >> it will be published soon under Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | >> 3.0 Unported | Oct 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16275214#1ba8e9e0d40d013739c87a163eb51328 | Oct 19 07:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 07:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@freemedia@share.naturalnews.com reshared: Am I right to deduce that Alexandre Oliva is now #FSF President because he's Vice President and the President has been MIA for a month? #linuxlibre #gnu | Oct 19 07:05 | |
| schestowitz | Oct 19 07:05 | |
| schestowitz | disclaimer: this is not an official announcement of any sort, it's just a bunch of very personal observations and expectations, based on information that's available to the general public roy, it's a little more complicated than that. we presently have two vice presidents, neither being a first vice president under the bylaws, so we jointly serve as acting president. figosdev, our small but freedom-loving staff operates under high levels of | Oct 19 07:05 |
| schestowitz | autonomy, within policies, priorities and guidance given by directors. it's not been unusual for me to come across an announcement in FSF's social media and think "cool!": it's just as fresh to me as it is for anyone else. much as I know, the emacs conf satellite idea may have been in the making for a long time, or it might be a fresh new way of putting our office space in service of software freedom. I liked it either way ;-) as for other | Oct 19 07:05 |
| schestowitz | points you brought up, I've been working hard to improve on them, but, being very new in the board, it shouldn't be surprising that it takes time to negotiate changes and earn trust from directors and supporters. the FSF has historically been conservative and cautious, with focus on the long term, so changes to details of implementation have often taken place at a slow pace. that, and the unchanging long-term commitment to Free Software | Oct 19 07:05 |
| schestowitz | values and principles have served us well, and are expected to keep on doing so thanks for your support, and for your patience ;-) | Oct 19 07:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 07:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16275214#1ba8e9e0d40d013739c87a163eb51328 | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) i think people should at this point demand answers from @Alexandre Oliva | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | i realise he may not be ready to give them. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | i stand by what ive said about oliva for years, in terms of his suitability for the position. if im completely and entirely honest about it (and i prefer to be) then i would say ive gained some misgivings and put others behind. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | to be perfectly honest, i have fewer misgivings now than when he made it to the top two on my list years ago. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | i want to be fair to stallman. i want a pro-stallman person in place. no matter who gets in, these circumstances will make it difficult to trust them. thats the burden of anybody who takes the role. so in fairness i ask: if oliva is not pro-stallman, who is being considered that has a more pro-stallman stance than oliva? | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | and if oliva is not your second choice after stallman, who is better? | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | i like moglen too. i like mako except hes quiet (oliva is loud, thats a good quality for a stallman replacement) and mako recently endorsed danah boyd (not a disqualifier but a concern.) | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | i like perens too. perens is a deeply admirable person and incredibly intelligent, i honestly wonder if we need someone less careful than perens. we want to replace a renegade with a renegade, a kirk with a kirk. i think oliva and stallman are kirk-like-- i love picard, but with perens i think you would get a picard. that bit about promoting stallman from captain of the fsf to admiral of the fleet was inspired by kirk. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz |  | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 16 hours ago | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | @Alexandre Oliva a month is too damned long. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | also if the real purpose of this emacs nonsense is to make official announcements-- thats cheesy, even for the fsf. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz |  | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva - about 10 hours ago | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | disclaimer: this is not an official announcement of any sort, it’s just a bunch of very personal observations and expectations, based on information that’s available to the general public | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | roy, it’s a little more complicated than that. we presently have two vice presidents, neither being a first vice president under the bylaws, so we jointly serve as acting president. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | figosdev, our small but freedom-loving staff operates under high levels of autonomy, within policies, priorities and guidance given by directors. it’s not been unusual for me to come across an announcement in FSF’s social media and think “cool!”: it’s just as fresh to me as it is for anyone else. much as I know, the emacs conf satellite idea may have been in the making for a long time, or it might be a fresh new way of putting our | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | office space in service of software freedom. I liked it either way ;-) | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | as for other points you brought up, I’ve been working hard to improve on them, but, being very new in the board, it shouldn’t be surprising that it takes time to negotiate changes and earn trust from directors and supporters. the FSF has historically been conservative and cautious, with focus on the long term, so changes to details of implementation have often taken place at a slow pace. that, and the unchanging long-term commitment to | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | Free Software values and principles have served us well, and are expected to keep on doing so | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | thanks for your support, and for your patience ;-) | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz |  | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 10 hours ago | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | first let me say i realise that its not up to you and i also dont expect you to “do anything stupid” or self-destructive. given your situation i think it would be daft for you to give up on diplomacy. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | much as I know, the emacs conf satellite idea may have been in the making for a long time | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | fair enough. the timing really sucks, but i dont claim to know much about it. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | as for other points you brought up, I’ve been working hard to improve on them, but, being very new in the board, it shouldn’t be surprising that it takes time to negotiate changes and earn trust from directors and supporters. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | no, i have no trouble with that statement at all. i would have guessed and theres just no reasonable way to argue with it. (not that i know of, at least.) | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | the FSF has historically been conservative and cautious, with focus on the long term, so changes to details of implementation have often taken place at a slow pace. that, and the unchanging long-term commitment to Free Software values and principles have served us well, and are expected to keep on doing so | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | heres hoping. we would certainly like that to continue to be true. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, Mr. Oliva, for the sincerity | Oct 19 07:08 |
| schestowitz | I, like RMS, want the FSF to succeed and to do well | Oct 19 07:08 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16144668#83facc40c87601370d897a163eb51328 | Oct 19 07:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some people want #FSF to become another #LinuxFoundation http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-011019.html | Oct 19 07:19 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 07:19 |
| schestowitz | Oct 19 07:19 | |
| schestowitz | eeek! over my dead body! | Oct 19 07:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 07:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 | Oct 19 07:19 | |
| schestowitz | And Stallman's. He's not in it for money. | Oct 19 07:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16095943#a9574020c8d401370d897a163eb51328 | Oct 19 07:27 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Android is a lot bigger than Windows. I think all Windows combined would be less than 30% (market share) now, but it depends how you measure it e.g. web traffic, number of devices (which/what counts as "a device"?) The terrain is changing; sadly, the FSF failed to keep up | Oct 19 07:27 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | im not certain the fsf as an obligation to “keep up” with mobile devices, as such devices have never been designed in a way that allows for your freedom. | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | on the contrary, i think the ryf certification is probably their best effort (and a reasonable one) to this problem. what phone is capable of respecting your freedom? and its being worked on! | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | military drones dont respect our freedom either. the fsf is doing nothing about this, while coraline ehmke is doing something (completely) useless about it. | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | The terrain is changing | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | it may be necessary to stick with laptops and desktops if you want your freedom respected. if it is necessary, then marketshare arguments fail. i critique the fsf the most when they lose ground in areas they already had it. failing to capture a market that relies on devices that remain proprietary regardless of what software you install, the only critique i have of the fsf on that front is they dont do enough to promote free hardware. ryf is | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | a notable (admirable) compromise, considering that free (as in freedom) hardware mostly doesnt exist yet. so im happy to offer oliva-like defense of the fsf on these comments. | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva - 15 days ago | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | I, conversely, am ready to criticize the FSF and nearly all of the Free Software community for not having paid attention to the development of the current consumer[ -]dominant computing and communication platform/form-factor. truth be said, it was pretty difficult to work around the problems brought about by them without involving significant hardware design, something which has largely made solutions hardly viable to come up with. even now, | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | there are still some critical hardware issues making it far from trivial, but various projects have recently taken significant steps towards a solution, and though we’re still a bit of a long way to a full-blown solution along the lines of 0G: | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | https://www.fsfla.org/~lxoliva/#0G | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 15 days ago | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | 0g is very ambitious, but progress is welcome. | Oct 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz | I, conversely, am ready to criticize the FSF and nearly all of the Free Software community for not having paid attention to the development of the current consumer[ -]dominant computing and communication platform/form-factor. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | i just dont think it was ignored. take makos article for example: https://mako.cc/copyrighteous/the-computer-in-my-pocket | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | though perhaps this was “too little, too late” i thought it was one of the better works on the subject at the time. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Operation timed out after 10000 milliseconds with 0 out of 0 bytes received ( status 0 @ https://www.fsfla.org/~lxoliva/#0G ) | Oct 19 07:28 | |
| schestowitz | i believe the threat was taken seriously but nobody had a solution, particularly for something that at the time (call over wifi has changed this) relied on nationwide infrastructure that is proprietary no matter what software is used. it is a threat free software acknowledged, but one outside of what it typically creates solutions for. i wish we had also done better. but i am curious how we realistically could have done better. im sure there | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | are small things, which might put us in a slightly better position today. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva - 15 days ago | Oct 19 07:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-mako.cc | The Computer in My Pocket – copyrighteous | Oct 19 07:28 | |
| schestowitz | true, the hardware and network sides of the equation were pretty hard to address. ‘not having paid attention’ is probably too strong a statement, though I think it is very much true when it comes to making our software work well with the prevalent interaction modes on those devices. I have this hunch that touchscreen interfaces as so different from keyboard+mouse or keyboard+touchpad, nevermind screen size, orientation, resolution and | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | whatnot, that I think it will take us a non-trivial amount of work to bring Free Software into a similarly usable state after touchscreens become more widely available on Free Software-running computers, regardless of the form factor. I wish we’d seen that coming and started serious work on touchscreen interfaces much longer ago. I also hope I’m wrong in this assessment | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 15 days ago | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | i honestly think touchscreens just suck. i cant stand them and on average they are too small for human fingers. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | this is a popular critique of touchscreens that predates smartphones and even tablets. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | free software is primarily about leaving people the room to improve something. eventually, it DOES come around to the secondary (and still important) issue of being usable, because people are less likely to promote “unusable freedom.” | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | without the primary matter, the secondary is moot for certain, but without the secondary matter, the potential for the secondary matter is at least an option. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | and this matter of priorities plays out in free software and open source a lot. open source actually reverses these priorities and puts usability OVER freedom, which is a mistake that results long-term in less freedom, and with it a self-defeating reduction in usability (in other words, without your freedom you havent got much at all.) | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | this isnt to let free software off the hook so much as to be realistic-- perhaps no amount of software can make touchscreens not suck. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | the old joke is “how many programmers does it take to change a lightbulb?” “none, thats a hardware problem.” | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva - 15 days ago | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | I’m sure the fact that touchscreens suck was a significant factor in our mostly leaving them alone for so long. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | alas, while we did, they became the prevalent means for user interaction in the dominant computing platform | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | our disregard for such platforms made room for the development of alternate, proprietary protocols, or walled-garden adaptations of Free protocols, for several useful kinds of communication, that probably wouldn’t have stood much of a chance to gain as much as acceptance as they did if only we had cared to make Free Software implementing stable, robust, and reliable protocols available and usable on them. now, networking effects play | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | against us, and catching up will be an uphill battle. but since our goal is to liberate users and that is the dominant platform, I think it’s a battle we ought to undertake, despite our dislike for touchscreens. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 15 days ago | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | alas, while we did, they became the prevalent means for user interaction in the dominant computing platform | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | quite so-- though part of this was also hype, and i think free software may have found hope in that realisation. gartner (an old foe of truth and free software) swore the desktop was going away and soon we would all replace laptops with tablets. ever since, tablets have tried very hard to prove “i can be a laptop too!” | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | i think there was a “wait and see” approach that may have dragged on a bit too long. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | our disregard for such platforms made room for the development of alternate, proprietary protocols, or walled-garden adaptations of Free protocols, for several useful kinds of communication, that probably wouldn’t have stood much of a chance to gain as much as acceptance as they did if only we had cared to make Free Software implementing stable, robust, and reliable protocols available and usable on them. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | agreed, but a very tall order. tablets made all of this very very cheap, and free software has never excelled in supporting hardware. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | this is really not a critique. the ideal would be for free software to support all hardware, there are only so many people writing the code to enable that, so the higher quality and more common brands were supported more often (and in terms of triaging hardware support this only makes perfect sense!) so again, not really a critique, more like a fact of life worth improving as soon as possible. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | but the huge amount of cheap obscure hardware was too much for any existing free software movement to handle. and i dont think you can chalk it up to just not paying attention. whether they had focused on it entirely or just paid more attention than they did, i think they would have only succeeded in making a relatively dent in the problem. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | first you try to do the possible, and to a sane degree you go after the impossible. and i think this is what replicant was about. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | and the failure of replicant to gain traction or make real progress (at least for hardware support) really only gives free software MORE REASON to give up on the platform. “we tried, it didnt work” is a fair assessment anyway. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | now, networking effects play against us, and catching up will be an uphill battle. but since our goal is to liberate users and that is the dominant platform, I think it’s a battle we ought to undertake | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | i agree! | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | , despite our dislike for touchscreens. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | of course. like i said, the ideal is for ALL hardware to be supported. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | but as i pointed out, free software has always triaged what hardware it supports first. | Oct 19 07:28 |
| schestowitz | you could conceivably turn argument on its head and say “but mobile hardware is the most popular” though it would miss my point. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | while there is more mobile hardware, it is less standard, more obscure and more diverse. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | my argument is that free software has always failed more with that sort of hardware than with hardware that is more standard and less obscure and less diverse. not as a critique but as a practical limitation (without recruiting more coders that is.) | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | so in this sense i think free software didnt fail with mobile any more than it fails with hardware in general. i think thats a pretty good defense. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | i see it as a practical failure, not a failure of attention or priority. none of which negates the fact that we should (of course) try to liberate mobile users too! its just much harder to do so. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva - 15 days ago | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | interesting… I recall vividly people boasting about how the GNU/Linux experience on PCs, with pretty much any mainstream expansion cards, was as plug&play as it gets, whereas the dominant system required the installation of separate drivers and whatnot. my experience has mostly been that of plug&play as well, though I don’t have experience with the other system to compare. I suppose mobile devices have been more complicated due to their | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | shorter shelf lives, their built-in lock-user-out anti-features, and the high integration that makes it hard to replace undesirable, freedom-incompatible components, and that are often essential for their functionality of mobile communicators to begin with. so, yeah, maybe even if we had paid more attention, we’d have been just as hopeless. it’s not even like there haven’t been attempts over these years. openmoko’s and firefox os | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | phones come to mind. and then, even android was often mistaken for Free Software, or regarded by some as “free enough.” no point in crying on/over the spilled milk, though, as we say in Portuguese. we got what we got, now we got to fix it ;-) | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 15 days ago | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | I suppose mobile devices have been more complicated due to their shorter shelf lives, their built-in lock-user-out anti-features, and the high integration that makes it hard to replace undesirable, freedom-incompatible components, and that are often essential for their functionality of mobile communicators to begin with. so, yeah, maybe even if we had paid more attention, we’d have been just as hopeless. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | i mean, nearly. its no reason to just give up but its uphill all the way, theres no reason to expect miracles. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | it’s not even like there haven’t been attempts over these years. openmoko’s and firefox os phones come to mind. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | ive actually used one. its okay. i prefer it to android. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | and then, even android was often mistaken for Free Software, or regarded by some as “free enough.” | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | we hoped for the best, we should have known better. i think android is a lost cause. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | no point in crying on/over the spilled milk, though, as we say in Portuguese. we got what we got, now we got to fix it ;-) | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | very true-- also they have that saying in english as well. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15423882#61f9bf50878d0137e59c0cc47a07853c | Oct 19 07:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #TuxMachines (TM) has begun covering not only #Android but also #Python / #programming things, provided they're FOSS. Old things like Moblin and Tizen perish, so we must look ahead at future waves... | Oct 19 07:29 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | coding is computer literacy, and literacy is one of the keys to freedom. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | it is not necessary to be an expert coder, to get a better understanding of the essence of computing or to make more use of your computer. | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz | weird how diaspora decided to turn TM as in tux machines into trademark symbol | Oct 19 07:29 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.tfir.io/microsoft-releases-dapr/ | Oct 19 07:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tfir.io | Microsoft Releases Dapr - TFiR: Open Source & Emerging Technologies | Oct 19 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.linux.com/news/microsoft-announces-open-source-dapr/ | Oct 19 07:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.linux.com | Microsoft Announces Open Source Dapr - Linux.com | Oct 19 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | > The IRC logs are already in queue. | Oct 19 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Cheers. Yes, I saw that. | Oct 19 08:43 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/richard-stallman%27s-resignation-part-ii-4175661792/page4.html#post6048043 | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Originally Posted by cynwulf View Post | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | The removal of Stallman is just another small step in the slow but sure advance of corporate Linux. | Oct 19 08:59 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.linuxquestions.org | Richard Stallman's resignation, Part II - Page 4 | Oct 19 08:59 | |
| schestowitz | The FSF has spent a month now being silent, and they have an emacs event lined up (at the FSF office) on Nov. 2. The fact that they have no president, are not talking to the public and are advertising this event by itself (as if nothing else is going on) is an outrage. | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | But it takes on new meaning as I quote Jagadees.S, who has recently started contributing to Techrights: | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Quote: | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | On 4 Oct 2019 Joshua Allen Holm (Community Moderator), Mike Bursell (Red Hat, Community Moderator), Lauren Pritchett (Red Hat) and Don Watkins (Community Moderator) wrote an article. In that article they rebranded a lot of Free software as theirs. The worst thing in their list was some software called emacs — the first true Free software that appeared on this planet and was written by the same Richard Stallman. | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | This is how history is created by the ruling class. the question is whether you accept it or not. Will you let it happen? Let all freedom-loving people be united and end this crazy unethical takeover of Free software. | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | This would probably be dirty anyway, but timing makes this very dirty. | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | The FSF has three options basically: | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | 1. Be neutral, which means allow this takeover by monopolies | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | 2. Openly support this takeover by monopolies | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | 3. Be against this takeover by monopolies | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | I have no idea which of these the theme of the event is going to be. I assume it's feigned neutrality. | Oct 19 08:59 |
| schestowitz | I think people should maybe even consider going to the event and protesting outside, rather than attend. They can protest the removal of Stallman, the censoring of pro-Stallman emails on the FSF mailing list, they can protest the silence and (of course) they can protest the takeover of emacs that IBM is attempting. | Oct 19 09:00 |
| schestowitz | I've gone to the FSF office before. The office is high up, there is only so much sidewalk (not much) in front of the building. Being across from the building may prove more useful. | Oct 19 09:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 09:00 |
| schestowitz | "BTW, what does RMS himself have to say about all this? - I tried to find statements on his personal site, but no such thing?" | Oct 19 09:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 09:00 |
| schestowitz | RMS is being deliberately silent for a reason. He is reachable by email though there are many things he simply doesn't respond to. | Oct 19 09:00 |
| schestowitz | This goes for everyone who is at the FSF. While I am happy and eager to comment on most things related to this, there are one or two things even I won't mention until some time in the future when they are public knowledge. | Oct 19 09:00 |
| schestowitz | They are not directly about RMS, though people might feel they are relevant to this situation. They also aren't scandalous (you don't have to believe that now, but it will be clearer when made public-- the FSF is much more quiet now than I think is good for free software) but the FSF has already been quiet for so long that even under the circumstances, I think it's time this silence ended. If you think so too, the primary email to contact is | Oct 19 09:00 |
| schestowitz | info@fsf.org -- let them know how you feel. | Oct 19 09:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 09:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16284053 | Oct 19 09:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@freemedia@share.naturalnews.com: if oliva keeps responding to the "frequently silent #foundation" posts with the duct tape over the gnu head, we will have to change it to the gnu signal instead:  | Oct 19 09:58 | |
| schestowitz | "if oliva keeps responding to the "frequently silent #foundation" posts with the duct tape over the gnu head, we will have to change it to the gnu signal instead:" | Oct 19 09:58 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jaromil/status/1185480353840021505 | Oct 19 10:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jaromil: "The software industry is a perpetual fashion victim, we aren’t advocating for users if we don’t give them a way to… https://t.co/pxPwieQzD9 | Oct 19 10:11 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jaromil: "The software industry is a perpetual fashion victim, we aren’t advocating for users if we don’t give them a way to… https://t.co/pxPwieQzD9 | Oct 19 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | ""The software industry is a perpetual fashion victim, we aren’t advocating for users if we don’t give them a way to opt out of useless trends." http://techrights.org/2019/10/18/afuf/ … important reflections about the second phase of the #Free #Software #movement." | Oct 19 10:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Should Anybody Dictate the Free Software Movement? | Techrights | Oct 19 10:11 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Dear Canada, | Oct 19 13:01 |
| schestowitz | In the absence of any substantive proof, your statement according to which “I do not know of any evidence that this has led to third parties suffering in those jurisdictions.” will remain an unsubstantiated point of view. It requires due respect, but fails to convince. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | It will not come as a surprise that I cannot agree with your statement according to which “the EPO Boards of Appeal have allowed themselves to get lost in legal principles which are now far removed from reality. Please objectively think about the very complex tests we have for priority, added matter”. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | The criterion/test to decide whether the priority is valid or whether there is added matter could not be simpler: it is the novelty test which has to be applied. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | If the information given to the person skilled in the art in a later version of an application, be it when claiming priority or in order to determine added matter, is novel over the information given to the person skilled in the art in the previous version, then the priority is not valid or the application/patent contains added subject-matter. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Is there a simpler criterion than novelty? I know the wording used can look inflated: directly and unambiguously derivable taking into account what is implicit for the person skilled in the art, but stripped to its bare meaning it is nothing more than defining novelty. In that respect the case law of the Enlarged Board of Appeal is quite coherent and everybody knows what matters and were it stands. If, in order to accept any amendment, it | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | needed simply to be obvious to the person skilled in the art the uncertainty created thereby would detrimental to all users of the European patent system. The same applies when it comes to “essential features”. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | As far as due care is concerned, it is part of the official policy of the EPO not to accept occasional failure. This wish of the legislator, i.e. the body deciding the Implementing Regulations that is the Administrative Council of the EPO, is to be respected. This has also translated into case law of the Boards of Appeal when it comes to reestablishment of rights. Under EPC2000, there is even reestablishment possible for the priority. This | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | was not possible under EPC1973. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | The President of the EPO is disagreeing with the Enlarged Board on a very specific topic: the patentability of plants directly obtained by and/or defined by an essentially biological processes. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | That society evolves and such patentability might nowadays pose problems is certain. Rather than trying to push this through by amending the implementing regulations, the only correct way to deal with this problem is, in my humble opinion, to amend the Art 53(b) of the EPC. This has for instance been done in Germany. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Amending the EPC is only possible when a diplomatic conference is summoned, and this is complicated, but this is the only “clean” way to go along. It is clear that calling a diplomatic conference on just this point is neither wise nor useful. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | One should not forget that after the first revision in 2000, which was mainly a revision on procedural aspects, there is still a second basket of amendments relating to substantive law to be introduced in the EPC. But some of the topics are highly controversial and handled like a hot potato. This explains the reluctance to amend the EPC. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | But trying to twist the arm of the Enlarged Board so that it gives up, for whatever reason, his stance on broccolis and tomatoes does not bode well for the independence of the Boards of Appeal. This should not be forgotten. In this respect I invite you to look at a paper published, albeit in German, about the problem of independence of the Boards of Appeal, see GRUR Int. 2019, 895. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | I might have been quite long and I hope you can excuse this, but I felt the need to put the picture straight. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/10/when-is-text-intended-for-grant-not.html?showComment=1571326283982#c8507778629107613837 | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/10/when-is-text-intended-for-grant-not.html?showComment=1571304530150#c4814022681086778387 | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | It is difficult to say that the EPO is not user friendly when it comes to inserting pages in a specification which were clearly missing. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | For a period of two months following filing, or following a corresponding communication of the receiving section of the EPO, an applicant may request inserting missing pages at filing. The drawback is that by then the filing date becomes the date at which the specification is complete. The original filing date might be kept if the missing pages are completely contained in a validly claimed priority document. See R 56. This is a change with | Oct 19 13:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | When is the “text-intended for grant” not intended for grant? (T 1003/19) - The IPKat | Oct 19 13:02 | |
| schestowitz | respect EPC1973. However, once this time limit of two months has lapsed, no addition is possible. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | On the other hand, for the legal security of third parties, they have to know what they are up to. It is for this reason that the case law of the Boards of Appeal is quite strict with respect to added subject-matter. Any addition to the specification after filing, and the two months’ time limit above, is considered as added subject-matter and not allowable. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | As stated in my first comment, the conditions upon which a specification can be corrected are very clear and do not give room for interpretation. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | When is the “text-intended for grant” not intended for grant? (T 1003/19) - The IPKat | Oct 19 13:02 | |
| schestowitz | The Boards of Appeal have often been criticised for their strict stance on added matter, but it is in my opinion quite justified. One should also keep in mind that added matter and novelty are the two sides of the same coin. What is lost on side is gained on the other. That in other jurisdictions it might be easier to overcome problems of added matter is interesting but irrelevant. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | I would also like to remind you that the EPO does not only have a duty towards its users, but after all, it has also the duty to protect the public at large from undue monopolies. Not accepting to add pages missing in a specification is thus part of the responsibility of the EPO towards the public at large. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/10/when-is-text-intended-for-grant-not.html?showComment=1571309409236#c4307866448065591367 | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Thank you Attentive Observer. Added matter, corrections, re-establishment of rights are less strict in all other jurisdictions that I know of. I do not know of any evidence that this has led to third parties suffering in those jurisdictions. The problem is that the EPO Boards of Appeal have allowed themselves to get lost in legal principles which are now far removed from reality. Please objectively think about the very complex tests we have | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | for priority, added matter, due care, etc. Is this really good for people in the R&D community and for the contribution that IP makes to the economy. Look at how difficult and ever more complex EPO case law is becoming in that even the EPO President is disagreeing with the Enlarged Board on issues. No one is pushing for simplicity and efficiency in the procedure. | Oct 19 13:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | When is the “text-intended for grant” not intended for grant? (T 1003/19) - The IPKat | Oct 19 13:02 | |
| schestowitz | I do not think 'protection for third parties' justifies where the EPO has reached, and the resultant cost, complexity and uncertainty this causes | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Thank you though for your very considered and detailed reply. That is appreciated | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSForce/status/1185538086421389312 | Oct 19 13:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSForce: Happy birthday to Techrights! 26,000 Posts https://t.co/QSW4nJdiJm | Oct 19 13:51 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | 26,000 Posts | Techrights | Oct 19 13:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/acitrano/status/1185106509602021376 | Oct 19 13:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@acitrano: @schestowitz @glynmoody is anyone surprised by this? | Oct 19 13:53 | |
| schestowitz | For "health and safety" they made some rules to reduce this situation's likelihood, but that's not enough apparently | Oct 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TallElfin/status/1185111448814440448 | Oct 19 13:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TallElfin: @schestowitz That the damned truth. Hurts, but it's true. | Oct 19 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/crossedroo/status/1185112542378545152 | Oct 19 13:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@crossedroo: @twiteeyapa @schestowitz But buzzwords are necessary to keep the spirits high 😎 And also to open the space for the… https://t.co/vz0FTOodzS | Oct 19 13:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@crossedroo: @twiteeyapa @schestowitz But buzzwords are necessary to keep the spirits high 😎 And also to open the space for the… https://t.co/vz0FTOodzS | Oct 19 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | But buzzwords are necessary to keep the spirits high  | Oct 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | And also to open the space for the new generation of "winners" in business. | Oct 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jamesabernard/status/1185124614831165440 | Oct 19 13:55 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jamesabernard: @schestowitz Isn't this basically theft? | Oct 19 13:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/blakkheim/status/1185210437853425673 | Oct 19 13:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@blakkheim: @schestowitz the channel was removed from the homepage without any discussion with the current operators, half of w… https://t.co/XyWJyExJ7j | Oct 19 13:56 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@blakkheim: @schestowitz the channel was removed from the homepage without any discussion with the current operators, half of w… https://t.co/XyWJyExJ7j | Oct 19 13:56 | |
| schestowitz | "the channel was removed from the homepage without any discussion with the current operators, half of whom are also project committers. i don't really know what happened but i think it could've been handled better. (the channel still exists, regardless)" | Oct 19 13:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/richturn_ms/status/1185211104777007104 | Oct 19 13:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@richturn_ms: @schestowitz Nope, just a response to an out of date claim re. "most heavily fined" | Oct 19 13:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ColeJ71909899/status/1185253616715620352 | Oct 19 13:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ColeJ71909899: @schestowitz @ico_TC Wasn't someone working on bitstream documentation/yosys support of the GOWIN FPGAs? I can't remember who. | Oct 19 13:57 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 13:57 |
| schestowitz | @ico_TC | Oct 19 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Wasn't someone working on bitstream documentation/yosys support of the GOWIN FPGAs? I can't remember who. | Oct 19 13:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 13:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hackingmath/status/1185358405587918848 | Oct 19 13:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@hackingmath: @schestowitz Do you like Bodhi Linux? | Oct 19 13:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/THE_Mr_NI/status/1185412063851667456 | Oct 19 13:59 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@THE_Mr_NI: @schestowitz @risc_v Building a RISC V CPU, here I come! | Oct 19 13:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/crossedroo/status/1185461808414355456 | Oct 19 13:59 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@crossedroo: @schestowitz Indeed, they're more properly described as traitors of their own nation. https://t.co/5PQwPOrMzO | Oct 19 13:59 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MexicoRS78: @WelshCelt https://t.co/HsSxdRcza0 | Oct 19 13:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/1185515983059988481 | Oct 19 14:01 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Sorry, you are not authorized to see this status. | Oct 19 14:01 | |
| schestowitz | "Even skimming that shit makes me physically ill" | Oct 19 14:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/1185515983059988481 | Oct 19 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Even skimming that shit makes me physically ill"" | Oct 19 14:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sandyshark/status/1185539924411539461 | Oct 19 14:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sandyshark: nobody wants to talk about why so many ppl are homeless, years after neolibs rolled back state supports for public… https://t.co/lbbcDIrhnl | Oct 19 14:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sandyshark: nobody wants to talk about why so many ppl are homeless, years after neolibs rolled back state supports for public… https://t.co/lbbcDIrhnl | Oct 19 14:02 | |
| schestowitz | "nobody wants to talk about why so many ppl are homeless, years after neolibs rolled back state supports for public housing" | Oct 19 14:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mv_dev_null/status/1185545410892435458 | Oct 19 14:22 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@mv_dev_null: @TheAnonNetwork The website has an expired cert... | Oct 19 14:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gayla_pawloski/status/1185548142151897093 | Oct 19 14:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gayla_pawloski: @schestowitz Too much leftists propaganda! It’s not true ! The world respects President Trump and America more than Democrats do! | Oct 19 14:40 | |
| schestowitz | "Too much leftists propaganda! It’s not true ! The world respects President Trump and America more than Democrats do!" | Oct 19 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16172365#a2d99660cc32013739ca7a163eb51328 | Oct 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 18:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: casualties of the war on #freesoftware http://techrights.org/2019/04/18/mention-the-war/ * init (widely protested, often dismissed) * LOTS of components that have nothing to do with init (paying attention yet?) * github (warned against) * red hat (predicted) * gnome (warned against, brought entirely on selves) * gnome 2 (mate mitigates this) * python 2 (pypy mitigates this) * richard stall | Oct 19 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | There must be plans made to fork the kernel. Should it start from 4.19? | Oct 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 13 days ago | Oct 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Should it start from 4.19? | Oct 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | who is going to fork it? | Oct 19 18:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | “Mention the War” (of Microsoft Against GNU/Linux) | Techrights | Oct 19 18:32 | |
| schestowitz | this is a practical question. the closest person the free software movement has to someone who can do this is oliva. i presume he understands enough about this to know what is necessary. | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | he will be modest about the actual task-- i think hes more likely up to it than not, but i believe him if he says hes really not. | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | thats not what im asking of course. im asking if he recognises the problem. whatever he says, you might as well take his word for it. and if he doesnt know, then we are pretty fucked. we would have to wait for someone else to recognise that linux-libre is the closest thing to a linux fork that we have. and imo thats the place (regardless of how modest he is about it or how modest linux-libre is) to start. until we have people capable of doing | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | this, asking where to start is… well, its still an important question. its just more like the second question than the first. | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Whomever works on this will need a team. | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Certain stuff can be profitably dropped. All of the Intel Meltdown and Spectre mitigation can be dropped - who could maintain it, anyway? | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Compile farms would have to be assembled… | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva - 12 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | some say it’s already been forked! | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | but GNU Linux-libre is not a fork, just a distribution ;-) | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | I think the definition of a fork is that each new version depends upon the previous version of the fork, and not the original. | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | yeah. those who say it’s a fork don’t care about such details, I suppose ;-) | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | or-- that people keep using the word fork, when a fork isnt necessarily strictly needed-- but something similar may even prove sufficient. | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | a fork would be lovely. but if a spoon will do… | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe even chopsticks. maybe a kernel kebab. but definitely something other than whatever gafam has on their table. | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | How about a fork of gitlab, with the goal of being widely distributed, and competitive with GitHub, as well as more friendly to Free? | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | https://framagit.org/gitnexus/gitgnext | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 18:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-framagit.org | Sign in · GitLab | Oct 19 18:32 | |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | p2pgit | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | git2git | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Good names. Whatever sells. ;-) | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | hint: git-ssb is already there, functional and named ;-) | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | tom, have you tried git-ssb? | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | oliva is a proponent of what i think is more than one ssb-related tool, from a cursory interest ssb looks good to me. i havent even examined git-ssb specifically yet. | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | im taking the opportunity to reiterate that i know very little about either one, indeed the entire domain surrounding these tools is one i consider myself novice-or-less in familiarity. | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | @tomgrz https://framagit.org/gitnexus/gitgnext | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | https://framagit.org/gitnexus/ | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | these both 404. what is it you wanted me to join? | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | That’s weird. Probably because it is a private project right now. | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | have you tried git-ssb | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | I’ll take a look at it. | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | But right now the focus has to be “what will win the most people away from GitHub”. What. | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | at any rate ive successfully joined (or youve invited me, however you prefer to say it) | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 11 days ago | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes. Dream Big! ;-) | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | ' | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15446359#e2f4cc408a4f013734e87a163eb51328 | Oct 19 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | if i were stallman i would ask why you even mentioned this. | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | im not stallman, but im still curious. | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Oliva - 3 months ago | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | roy mentions plenty of proprietary games | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | I often find myself disappointed, reading about a game I might find interesting, just to the learn it’s non-Free ;-/ | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 3 months ago | Oct 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | i think theres merit in commenting on non-free software sometimes. this one just made me curious. | Oct 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | i also think theres merit in commenting (much) less on non-free software. my take on this isnt as strict as the fsf, but its not entirely different either. | Oct 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | roy has particularly made what i consider a good campaign of pointing out just how much non-free spam is coming from floss outlets lately. its a bunch! i think his campaign is useful. this example doesnt fit the template though, hence my other comment. | Oct 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Oct 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 3 months ago | Oct 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | i would add that i think his campaign of showing off new video games for gnu/linux could be positive overall, but if he asked my advice about it, i would only recommend continuing such a campaign for roughly a year at most. | Oct 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | ultimately its just non-free software. i know that its unlikely for someone to ever produce an aaa grade free software video game, but in the long run, both roy and i should (and likely would) realise the danger in video games becoming a de facto exception to “we should stand up to non-free software.” | Oct 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | theres no need to promote non-free video games on a regular basis. i realise you would say “or at all” and perhaps youre right, but imo after a year or so, the “you can get high quality video game titles for gnu/linux” point is already made either way. | Oct 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I try to suitably label, e.g. #freesw (when they are). I think they're bait otherwise, but for some people this enables a 'defection' from Windows | Oct 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | war is the #1 reason i think democrats are full of shit. | Oct 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | (there are lots of other reasons, but thats the biggest one.) | Oct 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | they support war criminals. they claim theyre not war criminals. thats really the only reason i need! idiots on pluspora can fall in love with the smell of their own farts all day. theyre google-huffing sociopaths! | Oct 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | war is the #1 reason i think democrats are full of shit. | Oct 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | (there are lots of other reasons, but thats the biggest one.) | Oct 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | they support war criminals. they claim theyre not war criminals. thats really the only reason i need! idiots on pluspora can fall in love with the smell of their own farts all day. theyre google-huffing sociopaths! | Oct 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | But "big parties" love war, which is why I support neither until or unless they chose the 'odd' candidate who isn't a violent con man | Oct 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | But both "big parties" love war, which is why I support neither until or unless they chose the 'odd' candidate who isn't a violent con man | Oct 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15490007#6d0e9910d4a30137adc652540039b762 | Oct 19 18:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Maybe in a few years they can swap roles | Oct 19 18:37 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_69778adffcbb9deee877.png | Oct 19 18:37 | |
| schestowitz | "if they do not watch out - they get under the bus just as Mozilla + Google partnership. (Firefox now at record low 10% market share)" | Oct 19 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16173044#61598ac0d4c9013752330cc47a07853c | Oct 19 19:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: We Welcome Richard Stallman, Again http://techrights.org/2019/10/07/we-welcome-richard-stallman-again/ #rms #fsf #freesw #freedom #federation | Oct 19 19:52 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | i started to write one, but this is what happened instead: http://techrights.org/2019/10/13/takeover-by-monopolies/ | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | after about a day of not hearing from him, i thought about the lazlo letters written by don novello (a series of what you might consider prank calls in letter form) where he writes to companies like mcdonalds, gold bond and even dictators (he asked for an autographed picture of generalissimo francisco franco, praising him for his work.) | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | the replies to some of the letters were priceless. the makers of bubble bath explaining that “keep away from water” was only in the context of storage, not use. mcdonalds patiently explaining that some people liked to eat the top (eggless, cheeseless) half of an egg and cheese biscuit separately with fruit, and of course-- autographed portraits of dictators. | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | for letters he wrote that were not responded to, they were stamped with a seal that said “NO REPLY!” as if it were some kind of shock. sometimes just reading the words of that stamp in the context of the absurdity he mailed them was amusing. | Oct 19 19:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | We Welcome Richard Stallman, Again | Techrights | Oct 19 19:52 | |
| schestowitz | after 3 days i decided it was VERY unlikely id hear from him, and though its not really important i admit im curious (assuming he actually wanted to get in touch as he said) at what point he decided to change his mind. some people will ascribe importance to this, im more interested in the reason behind it. but i spend a few minutes taking the whole thing apart here: https://share.naturalnews.com/posts/8b341e70d11f013752550cc47a07853c | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | as to my feeling about it, i still think of the lazlo letters with the stamp: “NO REPLY!” i was more surprised that he expressed interest in the first place. ive gotten replies from stallman, lessig, oliva, mako (not in a while) and a handful of others, but matt and i still havent talked in close to a decade. and it wasnt exactly cordial at the time. im still curious what direction freesw.org is going to go in-- but given what we know, | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | will there be a place for stallman supporters there? seems a bit unlikely. | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | the funny thing is-- i actually would like to know more about freesw.org. if its a sincere project it has potential. but i guess ill just have to wait if i want to learn more about it, like most people. im not in matts circle, and i never really thought i was. | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 19:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | “Widespread Adoption” (Did You Mean: Takeover by Monopolies?) | Techrights | Oct 19 19:52 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-share.naturalnews.com | 3 days ago, i got this note via diaspora: freemedia – MattL contact... | Oct 19 19:52 | |
| schestowitz | I find it curious he chose a domain name that's a hashtag I have used for many years (and almost nobody else uses) | Oct 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15924404#bf07b050d4c801379faa11671e93ecc6 | Oct 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 19:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Guest Post: Getting #Stallman Wrong Means Getting The 21st Century Wrong http://techrights.org/2019/09/06/rms-track-record/ #rms #softwarefreedom #freesw #microsoft | Oct 19 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | its possible for someone to miss the point (or points) of the article without them having an allergy to software freedom. | Oct 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | whats not really possible is arguing with them. youd need an article to explain the article, if they managed to miss everything it said. | Oct 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | its still possible that it was written for someone other than the person who didnt get it. the point of the article was the importance of stallman to the 21st century, and the devastation it would cause to the fsf and to free software if we ignored that now. but that was written 10 days before he resigned-- an article to explain that is probably no longer needed. | Oct 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Otyugh | Oct 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Otyugh - about an hour ago | Oct 19 19:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Guest Post: Getting Stallman Wrong Means Getting The 21st Century Wrong | Techrights | Oct 19 19:54 | |
| schestowitz | I just thought it was a bunch of really obvious points said in a meliorative way - which wasn’t of any help. I guess people like me who ought to agree should feel good ; it didn’t, it just felt really boring. I felt that it would give nothing to convinced people and would give power to speech of “people respecting RMS are bigotted people reharsing the same stuff over and over”. | Oct 19 19:54 |
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