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schestowitzsternbNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> schestowitzNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> figosdev says GIAFAM for IBMNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> Nov 18 15:14Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-181120.html#tNovNov 20 07:09
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, November 18, 2020Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> 18 15:14:18>Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> schestowitzNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> Oracle is never namedNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> Nov 18 15:14Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-181120.html#tNovNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> 18 15:14:22>Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> schestowitzNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> or Salesforce... both do software and always maliciousNov 20 07:09
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> Salesforce wasn't on our radar until they ratfucked Stallman.Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> Oracle does not have the kind of presence in my life that GIAFAM do. IfNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> I don't want to use Oracle-- I just don't use Oracle. I know they wereNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> bad enough to start TR when it was BN-- how many years ago? I know theyNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> haven't changed.Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> The acronym can only get so long before it's the alphabet. These are theNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> six companies fucking the tech world the hardest, though we don't countNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> behind the scenes stuff. I mean we could call it GIAFAMP for Palantir,Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> and when they start fucking with the code bases for Python, udev, KHTML,Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> Wget, and practically EVERYTHING, we can add them. I just named projectsNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> affected by GIAFM, respectively.Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> Amazon steals ebooks from paying customers and threatens all publicNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> libraries-- that's pretty fundamentally evil.Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:09
schestowitz> I only added the I after they tried to replace GNU with a planet-sizedNov 20 07:09
schestowitz> turd and helped Microsoft co-own the largest GNU/Linux company in itsNov 20 07:10
schestowitz> history. The other letters were already there.Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz> ----------------------Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz> I do not entirely agree with vZS1 on this, but:Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/A_Critic%27s_Free_Software_Dictionary#Shut_up_and_codeNov 20 07:10
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | A Critic's Free Software Dictionary - TechrightsNov 20 07:10
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/A_Critic%27s_Free_Software_Dictionary#Shut_up_and_code>Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz> scientesNov 20 07:10
schestowitz> vZS1, they are *obliged*, but that doesn't mean they doNov 20 07:10
schestowitz> Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz> scientesNov 20 07:10
schestowitz> and if you don't do anything then *you* are the problemNov 20 07:10
schestowitz> Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz> Nov 20 07:10
schestowitz> scientesNov 20 07:10
schestowitz> cybrNaut, I do mean programmingNov 20 07:10
schestowitz> Somehow this: (checked the original)Nov 20 07:11
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:11
schestowitz> The FSF's IFF systemsNov 20 07:11
schestowitz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_friend_or_foeNov 20 07:11
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Identification friend or foe - WikipediaNov 20 07:11
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_friend_or_foe> are clearlyNov 20 07:12
schestowitz> malfunctioning-- and if nothing else, we need to find a way to rebuild aNov 20 07:12
schestowitz> better one of those.Nov 20 07:12
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:12
schestowitz> Turned into this:Nov 20 07:12
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:12
schestowitz> The FSF’s IFF systemsNov 20 07:12
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_friend_or_foe> — and ifNov 20 07:12
schestowitz> nothing else, we need to find a way to rebuild a better one of those.**Nov 20 07:12
schestowitz>Nov 20 07:12
schestowitz> Would you fix? The only difference I can tell is "*are clearlyNov 20 07:12
schestowitz> malfunctioning*", mice (mine at least) are notorious for this sort of thing.Nov 20 07:12
schestowitzThat must have happened while i edited the linkNov 20 07:12
schestowitzsorry about thatNov 20 07:12
schestowitzcorrected now.Nov 20 07:12
schestowitz> 1. The problem is only on my laptop, not on my iPadNov 20 07:27
schestowitz> 2. To describe the problem: After I have made an edit to a previouslyNov 20 07:27
schestowitz> published, I go to *Update*, (wait until the change is confirmed asNov 20 07:27
schestowitz> done) then I go to *Preview*. I cannot Preview, it is blocked by anNov 20 07:27
schestowitz> error message which pops up and says “*Sorry, You are not allowed toNov 20 07:27
schestowitz> Preview Drafts.*" This happens to any published article, no matter if INov 20 07:27
schestowitz> published it today or years ago.Nov 20 07:27
schestowitz> 3. As far as I can remember, this problem started yesterday and was allNov 20 07:27
schestowitz> O.K. prior to that. Actually, I liked the new placement for Update andNov 20 07:27
schestowitz> Preview and all was going fine.Nov 20 07:27
schestowitzIf the problem happens with one device and now with another, then a good starting point would be to log out, log in again.Nov 20 07:27
schestowitzAlso, try deleting cookies in your browser.Nov 20 07:27
schestowitzThat's just to remove obvious problems..Nov 20 07:27
schestowitz> Thanks. You got "eith" as well. Cheers.Nov 20 07:34
schestowitzTwo articles ago there were some editing issues, like missing newlines, commas, sometimes two words stuck to each other. Maybe you used another editor that day.Nov 20 07:34
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schestowitz>>> 1. The problem is only on my laptop, not on my iPadNov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>> 2. To describe the problem: After I have made an edit to a previouslyNov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>> published, I go to *Update*, (wait until the change is confirmed asNov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>> done) then I go to *Preview*. I cannot Preview, it is blocked by anNov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>> error message which pops up and says “*Sorry, You are not allowed toNov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>> Preview Drafts.*" This happens to any published article, no matter if INov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>> published it today or years ago.Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>> 3. As far as I can remember, this problem started yesterday and was allNov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>> O.K. prior to that. Actually, I liked the new placement for Update andNov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>> Preview and all was going fine.Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz>> If the problem happens with one device and now with another, then a goodNov 20 18:20
schestowitz>> starting point would be to log out, log in again.Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz>> Also, try deleting cookies in your browser.Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz>>Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz>> That's just to remove obvious problems..Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz> *The problem is ONLY with the laptop that’s why I thought it may beNov 20 18:20
schestowitz> related to an Update, because the glitch occurred mysteriously. *Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz> *Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz> *Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz> *Nevertheless, I am optimistic about doing  a logout/login beforeNov 20 18:20
schestowitz> a version switch-back and am anxious to try it but I am having a brainNov 20 18:20
schestowitz> fog…how do I logout?Nov 20 18:20
schestowitz> *Nov 20 18:20
schestowitzThere ought to be an option near the top of the side for logging off or logging out. To flush out browser cookie, or to find instructions on how to do it, you can search the web with your browser's name.Nov 20 18:20
schestowitzI don't think updates caused this. Either way, you ought not apply wordpress updates.Nov 20 18:20
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schestowitz> *Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. born November 20,1942, is president-elect ofNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> the United StatesNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President-elect_of_the_United_States>.Nov 20 18:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | President-elect of the United States - WikipediaNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> Having defeated incumbent Donald TrumpNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump> in the 2020 United StatesNov 20 18:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Donald Trump - WikipediaNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> presidential electionNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election>, heNov 20 18:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | 2020 United States presidential election - WikipediaNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> will be inaugurated as the 46th presidentNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inauguration_of_Joe_Biden> on January 20,Nov 20 18:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Inauguration of Joe Biden - WikipediaNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> 2021. A member of the Democratic PartyNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)>, BidenNov 20 18:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Democratic Party (United States) - WikipediaNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> served as the 47th vice presidentNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States> fromNov 20 18:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Vice President of the United States - WikipediaNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> 2009 to 2017 during the Obama administrationNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Barack_Obama>. From 1973 toNov 20 18:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Presidency of Barack Obama - WikipediaNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> 2009, he served as a United States senatorNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_senator> for DelawareNov 20 18:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | United States Senate - WikipediaNov 20 18:22
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware>.*Nov 20 18:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 400 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware>.* )Nov 20 18:22
schestowitz> *Nov 20 18:22
schestowitz> *Nov 20 18:22
schestowitz> *News Flash: I’m not sharing any of my birthday cake with Biden.*Nov 20 18:23
schestowitzBoth "major" presidential candidates were awful. Same as the long time (2016). The public loses either way.Nov 20 18:23
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schestowitz> *Godwin's law is a recursive tautology:* as an online discussion growsNov 20 18:42
schestowitz> longer, the probability of a pedantic reference to Godwin's lawNov 20 18:42
schestowitz> approaches 1.Nov 20 18:42
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:42
schestowitz> Yes I'm taking the piss.Nov 20 18:42
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:42
schestowitz> schestowitzNov 20 18:42
schestowitz> but figosdev especially hates thatNov 20 18:42
schestowitz> Nov 20 18:42
schestowitz> schestowitzNov 20 18:42
schestowitz> because nazis analogies have their placeNov 20 18:42
schestowitz> This again?Nov 20 18:42
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:42
schestowitz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC>Nov 20 18:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | M-DISC - WikipediaNov 20 18:43
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:43
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:43
schestowitz> MinceRNov 20 18:43
schestowitz> CDs are badly designedNov 20 18:43
schestowitz> Nov 19 16:11Nov 20 18:43
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-191120.html#tNovNov 20 18:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, November 19, 2020Nov 20 18:43
schestowitz> 19 16:11:40>Nov 20 18:43
schestowitz> MinceRNov 20 18:43
schestowitz> the data storage layer is sensitive to oxygen and it's only protectedNov 20 18:43
schestowitz> by a layer of lacquer from one sideNov 20 18:43
schestowitz> Nov 19 16:11Nov 20 18:43
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-191120.html#tNovNov 20 18:43
schestowitz> 19 16:11:57>Nov 20 18:43
schestowitz> MinceRNov 20 18:43
schestowitz> they fixed this in DVDNov 20 18:43
schestowitz>> Two articles ago there were some editing issues, like missingNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> newlines, commas, sometimes two words stuck to each other. Maybe youNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> used another editor that day.Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz> If it's the same one I think it is, I read it the next day, and wonderedNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> if you removed all the commas. I checked the original, turns out I hadNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> imagined most of them. How about that?Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz> I'd gone (most of) two days without sleep, I usually don't. The articleNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> seemed alright. Probably would've been better to write drunk than asNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> tired as that (I'm actually not much of a drinker, I'm just naturallyNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> pissy about what's happened to technology). It's not that I don't readNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> this stuff, but I was pretty weird at that point, it's a fact.Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz> At least I can read it now and know what the hell I was talking about.Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz> What surprised me is that Tom liked it. Well, alright-- thanks veryNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> much, really. If it ever happens again (I'm not promising) feel free toNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> hold it for a day and say "Hey, is this what you wanted?"Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz> Your call. I was never averse to you adding commas in the first place,Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz> or removing them if you think it will help. Though for this example,Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz> that would be a whole lot...Nov 20 18:44
schestowitzAt times where were missing whitespace too, but the spellchcker picks these up fast.Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz> That is definitely not the picture/image/idea I would have chosen. INov 20 18:44
schestowitz> would feel remiss if I didn't say so.Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz> But for an atheist like yourself to choose it, it is kind of funny, andNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> as a metaphor I certainly "get it".Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:44
schestowitz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballad_of_John_and_YokoNov 20 18:44
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | The Ballad of John and Yoko - WikipediaNov 20 18:44
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballad_of_John_and_Yoko>Nov 20 18:45
schestowitz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_popular_than_Jesus#Escalation_and_radio_bansNov 20 18:45
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | More popular than Jesus - WikipediaNov 20 18:45
schestowitz> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_popular_than_Jesus#Escalation_and_radio_bans>Nov 20 18:45
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:45
schestowitz> I didn't get the parachute one at first, either.Nov 20 18:45
schestowitz>Nov 20 18:45
schestowitz> The second time I visited the article (I do this when I'm sharing itNov 20 18:45
schestowitz> with other people or checking something) I was like, "hmm, yeah..."Nov 20 18:45
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schestowitzI have uploadedNov 20 21:14
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/images/irc/html.pngNov 20 21:14
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/images/irc/text.pngNov 20 21:14
schestowitzpublic domain, see directory contents for original fileNov 20 21:14
schestowitzI believe each of us has a different program to generate IRC logs index.Nov 20 21:14
schestowitzAt your end, the modifications should be trivial:Nov 20 21:14
schestowitzReplace the existing image withNov 20 21:14
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/images/irc/html.png (full path is better because otherwise it won't show up when using RSS or aggregated from external sites.. including tuxmachines)Nov 20 21:14
schestowitzThenNov 20 21:14
schestowitzMake the same HTML bits get generated again, this time for linking to the 4 text versions (will be uploaded for the first time today after midnight)Nov 20 21:14
schestowitzThen make sure the files they link to are the same except ".txt" instead of "html"Nov 20 21:14
schestowitzfor image/icon,Nov 20 21:14
schestowitzUse    http://techrights.org/images/irc/text.pngNov 20 21:14
schestowitzI think that the rest will be enough.Nov 20 21:14
schestowitzI've just checked the IPFS bit for the posts is also OK. At the moment it shows 8 entries, we can worry about how to better present them later.Nov 20 21:14
schestowitzIRC has been busier lately, with 65-75 people online in #techrights throughout the day and night. This weekend I'll try to do lots and lots of posts, though I work every evening.Nov 20 21:14
schestowitz> That's a nice work-around, but I would like to find out what is at theNov 20 21:19
schestowitz> cause of the problem.  How did you generate the string "⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮"Nov 20 21:19
schestowitz> and can it be throwing a bad or incomplete character in the middle?Nov 20 21:19
schestowitzThose are typically maths symbols.Nov 20 21:19
schestowitzI could just as well replace them, as sometimes I do. But considering the possibility odd chars can come from other people, tweets, etc. we might be safer to just eliminate all the fancy chars.Nov 20 21:19
schestowitzIs ascii OK? Maybe we should choose another chairset in  iconvNov 20 21:19
schestowitzfrom manpage:Nov 20 21:19
schestowitz       -t to-encoding, --to-code=to-encodingNov 20 21:19
schestowitz              Use to-encoding for output characters.Nov 20 21:19
schestowitz              If the string //IGNORE is appended to to-encoding, characters that cannot be converted are discarded and an error is printed after conversion.Nov 20 21:19
schestowitz              If  the  string //TRANSLIT is appended to to-encoding, characters being converted are transliterated when needed and possible.  This means that when a characterNov 20 21:19
schestowitz              cannot be represented in the target character set, it can be approximated through one or several similar looking characters.  Characters that are outside of theNov 20 21:19
schestowitz              target character set and cannot be transliterated are replaced with a question mark (?) in the output.Nov 20 21:19
schestowitzEXAMPLENov 20 21:19
schestowitz       Convert text from the ISO 8859-15 character encoding to UTF-8:Nov 20 21:19
schestowitz           $ iconv -f ISO-8859-15 -t UTF-8 < input.txt > output.txtNov 20 21:19
schestowitzIt does not say which ones I supported and I suppose it depends on the system.Nov 20 21:19
schestowitzOct 31 - Nov 19 are converted and uploaded only to IPFS... as ASCII... I saw no issues with any of these (I checked at random.Nov 20 21:19
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