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| CrystalMath | and what is this crap? https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/11/16/21570072/obama-internet-threat-democracy-facebook-fox-atlantic | Nov 18 00:03 |
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| XRevan86 | What's the tl;dr? They kind of are, but they also aren't, depends on the angle. | Nov 18 00:03 |
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| CrystalMath | well nothing, Obama says that the fact that people live in information bubbles is a problem | Nov 18 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | but he also blames big tech for it | Nov 18 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | i don't see how | Nov 18 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, i hate big tech, but is QAnon their fault? no way | Nov 18 00:07 |
| MinceR | blaming objects for the faults of humans is a big thing in uhmerica | Nov 18 00:08 |
| MinceR | and also elsewhere on this planet | Nov 18 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | Well, there's no regulation that would solve "personalisation". Maybe something that stricten data collection on people, that would kill it off. | Nov 18 00:09 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/2008166 | Nov 18 00:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4826830) | Nov 18 00:10 | |
| XRevan86 | * strictens | Nov 18 00:10 |
| MinceR | which is why i'd just personally kill evildoers instead of screwing around with regulations :> | Nov 18 00:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Isn't that the same thing, except with executions as penalty? | Nov 18 00:12 |
| MinceR | no, i'd do it without a state | Nov 18 00:12 |
| MinceR | states have failed, it's time to stop forcing them | Nov 18 00:12 |
| XRevan86 | mother anarchy, got it | Nov 18 00:12 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: you want to strengthen surveillance? | Nov 18 00:13 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: The opposite. I think anti-surveillance regulation can fix the bubble effect %). | Nov 18 00:14 |
| XRevan86 | but it's also something they won't be willing to do | Nov 18 00:14 |
| CrystalMath | that won't stop people going to 4chan | Nov 18 00:14 |
| CrystalMath | and talking about the latest UFO Obamanton landed from to kidnap children and make cigarettes out of them | Nov 18 00:15 |
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| CrystalMath | (that's a joking reference to pizzagate :P) | Nov 18 00:16 |
| CrystalMath | (as well as other conspiracies) | Nov 18 00:16 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Yea, but if someone goes to 4chan then they kind of know what kind of rabbit hole they're diving into. | Nov 18 00:16 |
| XRevan86 | I can't believe I managed to write it in such an ugly way but still technically correctly. | Nov 18 00:18 |
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| oiaohm | CrystalMath: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/australian-and-nz-isps-blocked-dozens-of-sites-that-host-nz-shooting-video/ This is where things get tricky. | Nov 18 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video | Ars Technica | Nov 18 01:11 | |
| oiaohm | There is a legal responsibility on those providing content in most countries that is in the printed press or on free to air tv to be based on facts.. | Nov 18 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Of course with Australia carrier laws this does technically go to anyone hosting stuff in Australia on ISPs as well. | Nov 18 01:15 |
| oiaohm | The reality is as the laws of most countries catch up with the internet places like 4chan will either go away or have todo some level of content moderation. | Nov 18 01:16 |
| CrystalMath | that would be bad | Nov 18 01:16 |
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| oiaohm | There are a lot of things you are not allowed todo in public spaces. | Nov 18 01:16 |
| CrystalMath | also 4chan does have moderation | Nov 18 01:17 |
| oiaohm | And if the courts rule the internet to be a public space there will be quite a bit of restriction. | Nov 18 01:17 |
| oiaohm | when 4chan started it did not have that much modernation. Its been growing it as the laws catching up. | Nov 18 01:17 |
| CrystalMath | well the big problem is pedophilia, which had to be eliminated from 4chan | Nov 18 01:18 |
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| CrystalMath | understandably | Nov 18 01:18 |
| oiaohm | That was they eliminate it or be totally blocked everywhere. | Nov 18 01:18 |
| oiaohm | But that was really the start of law forced moderation. | Nov 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | There are other things other than pedophilia that the laws most countries say you cannot be doing either. | Nov 18 01:19 |
| CrystalMath | of course, however | Nov 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Still need to be moderated out. | Nov 18 01:19 |
| CrystalMath | the problem will be when governments start abusing this | Nov 18 01:20 |
| CrystalMath | to silence criticism and stuff | Nov 18 01:20 |
| CrystalMath | which is why we must fight for free speech | Nov 18 01:20 |
| oiaohm | There is risk of government abuse I do agree. | Nov 18 01:20 |
| CrystalMath | actually, the risk to free speech is the greatest risk to democracy | Nov 18 01:20 |
| oiaohm | But there are things like videod murder and other horrible things that need to be restricted. This includes people providing fake cures and other horrible things that cause deaths. | Nov 18 01:21 |
| oiaohm | The problem is the blance. | Nov 18 01:21 |
| CrystalMath | i would disagree with protecting people from themselves | Nov 18 01:21 |
| oiaohm | There is a list of things that need to be moderated out of existance because they are not safe/good for anyone. | Nov 18 01:21 |
| CrystalMath | a person's will should be manipulated with information | Nov 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Problem is false information and correct information can manipulate a person equally. | Nov 18 01:22 |
| CrystalMath | well, that's true | Nov 18 01:23 |
| CrystalMath | but many things are also not clearly true / false | Nov 18 01:23 |
| oiaohm | There is also the problem of desensitisation. Like with the process of desensitisation you can make it easier to kill. This is why some image times on tv are mandated sensored by law. | Nov 18 01:24 |
| CrystalMath | there's also the problem of people being overly sensitive | Nov 18 01:24 |
| CrystalMath | which is a huge problem nowadays | Nov 18 01:24 |
| oiaohm | There is also the reverse as well. | Nov 18 01:25 |
| CrystalMath | only for some things | Nov 18 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Its sensitivity is a balance. We don't want people mega sensitive to stuff and we don't want them totally insesistive to differenet bad stuff. | Nov 18 01:26 |
| CrystalMath | i'd say people are really densitized to pornographic stuff, but also too sensitive to criticism and different opinions | Nov 18 01:26 |
| CrystalMath | *desensitized | Nov 18 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Some of the pornographic densitized links to people ignoring domestic volicence events that have lead to death. | Nov 18 01:28 |
| CrystalMath | maybe? i'm not sure what the link is though | Nov 18 01:28 |
| CrystalMath | i'd rather focus on exposing people to different opinions | Nov 18 01:28 |
| CrystalMath | having them think for themselves | Nov 18 01:28 |
| CrystalMath | be more philosophical | Nov 18 01:29 |
| CrystalMath | not just listen to others | Nov 18 01:29 |
| MinceR | we could prevent people from being desensitized to anything by removing their sensory organs | Nov 18 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Having different options is not that useful either. Remember you have people arguing points like flat earth that really basic tests prove as false. | Nov 18 01:29 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: so what? | Nov 18 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | i know a flat earth theorists | Nov 18 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | *theorist | Nov 18 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Then you have people doing the same things with medical stuff. | Nov 18 01:30 |
| oiaohm | That is just as simple to disprove. | Nov 18 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | and i don't really mind his opinion, even if i disagree | Nov 18 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | that's the point | Nov 18 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | i think you need to learn this as well | Nov 18 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | the fact that it's simple to disprove means that most people will believe the truth | Nov 18 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | but a certain % will be dumb or contrarian | Nov 18 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | there's also things like religion | Nov 18 01:31 |
| oiaohm | And that % of dumb could come the president of the USA. | Nov 18 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: how, if it's a small number? | Nov 18 01:32 |
| MinceR | looks like that % is close to 50 | Nov 18 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Trump believes a stack of stuff known to be 100 percent false. | Nov 18 01:32 |
| CrystalMath | like what? | Nov 18 01:32 |
| MinceR | like that vaccines don't work but instead cause autism | Nov 18 01:33 |
| CrystalMath | he doesn't actually believe in injecting bleach or light, he just asked a silly question | Nov 18 01:33 |
| MinceR | or like that finland is part of russia | Nov 18 01:33 |
| CrystalMath | what? | Nov 18 01:33 |
| CrystalMath | when did he say that? | Nov 18 01:33 |
| MinceR | no, he let his idiocy slip | Nov 18 01:33 |
| MinceR | and later he tried to claim it was a joke | Nov 18 01:33 |
| MinceR | no one laughed | Nov 18 01:33 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: he pushed a drug that all the results said did not work. | Nov 18 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Not much different to inject bleach really. | Nov 18 01:33 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: i'm quite sure someone else told him about hydroxychloroquine | Nov 18 01:33 |
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| CrystalMath | it didn't come from him | Nov 18 01:33 |
| MinceR | well if someone else says it, it's got to be true | Nov 18 01:34 |
| MinceR | like the Earth being flat, for example | Nov 18 01:34 |
| oiaohm | So CrystalMath he had a idiot feeding him invalid information and he was running with it right. | Nov 18 01:34 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem with false information. | Nov 18 01:34 |
| CrystalMath | it probably came from a doctor | Nov 18 01:35 |
| MinceR | the problem is not with false information but with stupid people | Nov 18 01:35 |
| CrystalMath | one of the so-called experts | Nov 18 01:35 |
| MinceR | well, they hand doctorates out to just about anyone nowadays | Nov 18 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Again doctor who has been bribed to provide false information. | Nov 18 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | there are also papers about hydroxychloroquine providing some protection against viruses | Nov 18 01:36 |
| oiaohm | No proper peer review of information. | Nov 18 01:36 |
| MinceR | there's an alleged physician who acts as the speaker for the nazi government of hungary in COVID-19-related matters who said things like "masks don't protect you from the virus" and "you can't stop the pandemic with testing" | Nov 18 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | not in the case of SARS-CoV-2 | Nov 18 01:36 |
| oiaohm | All those papers after proper peer review have turned out to be false. | Nov 18 01:36 |
| MinceR | there's another nazi in hungary who has a medical doctorate who claimed that people get ill because they violate the ten commandments | Nov 18 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: are you sure? | Nov 18 01:37 |
| oiaohm | hydrooxychloroquine does not work against viruses at all with proper reviewed studies. | Nov 18 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: because malaria's entry into cells is very similar to a virus's | Nov 18 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | for example, both malaria and influenzavirus bind to hemagluttinin | Nov 18 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | SARS-CoV-2 is different as it binds to ACE2 | Nov 18 01:37 |
| MinceR | (that second nazi i mentioned is a minister, though he sucks so hard at his job even his own government started working around him) | Nov 18 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | influenzavirus can also bind to neuraminidase | Nov 18 01:38 |
| oiaohm | hydrooxychloroquine in fact works against malaria itself. Not the redblood cells. | Nov 18 01:38 |
| CrystalMath | there are other coronaviruses that bind to N-acetyl-neuraminic acid receptors (NANAR) | Nov 18 01:38 |
| oiaohm | All the proper studides hydrooxychloroquine just does not work at all with a virus case increases risk of deaht. | Nov 18 01:39 |
| CrystalMath | it's possible that there's a risk | Nov 18 01:39 |
| oiaohm | One of the catches with hydrooxychloroquine is that is used to treat autoimmune diseases. So in case of virus infection you need immune system to work better. hydrooxychloroquine is the exact other direction. | Nov 18 01:41 |
| CrystalMath | well, there's also immune overreaction | Nov 18 01:41 |
| superkuh | Binding to ace2 is just the start, then extracellular proteases cleave the spike protein and the hydrophobic region that acts as an anchor for membrane fusion comes into play. | Nov 18 01:41 |
| superkuh | Get too much of that going on and you get not only viral membranes fusing, but cells fusing. | Nov 18 01:42 |
| superkuh | And that leads to chronic inflammation. | Nov 18 01:42 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: there are a few different ways to treat immune over reaction. hydrooxychloroquine reduces anti-bodies in general way. So you reduce the immune over reaction but you also reduce the immune system means to stop the virus so the virus goes on to kill more cells. | Nov 18 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Autoimmune disease crippling the immune system because you have no better treatment can be fine while the person does not have any other infection. | Nov 18 01:45 |
| oiaohm | When in infected with a virus any 100% immune system crippling path is not right. | Nov 18 01:46 |
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| CrystalMath | sorry i was reading about the syncitial pneumocytes from COVID-19 | Nov 18 01:49 |
| CrystalMath | *syncytial | Nov 18 01:49 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: It is believed that hydroxychloroquine interferes with the communication of cells in the immune system. << This is what the studies appear to show hydrooxychloroquine doing. This is a immune system communication disruption. | Nov 18 01:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically able to stall out the immune system from fighting back at all. | Nov 18 01:50 |
| CrystalMath | likely SARS-CoV-1 is the same | Nov 18 01:50 |
| CrystalMath | anyway i think it's clear to everyone at this point that hydroxychloroquine is not a cure | Nov 18 01:51 |
| oiaohm | and its not a treatment either. | Nov 18 01:52 |
| oiaohm | because it adjust totally the wrong thing. | Nov 18 01:52 |
| oiaohm | The fact it was known to adjust totally the wrong thing was documented before the Covid-19 with athrisis people being on hydroxychloroquine having higher risks of getting the common cold and having adverise effects. | Nov 18 01:53 |
| oiaohm | What happens when fake information not backed by proper data gets into the system. | Nov 18 01:54 |
| CrystalMath | in the end, it was not Trump who gave people this drug, but doctors in hospitals | Nov 18 01:54 |
| CrystalMath | sometimes the entire world can be deceived, even | Nov 18 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Its never normally the entire world. | Nov 18 01:55 |
| oiaohm | But a large enough can be to cause extra deaths. | Nov 18 01:55 |
| CrystalMath | and don't forget this was a new virus back in march | Nov 18 01:56 |
| CrystalMath | people were desperate | Nov 18 01:56 |
| CrystalMath | they wanted to try anything | Nov 18 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Exactly the dangerous problem with false information getting out. | Nov 18 01:56 |
| CrystalMath | but we didn't really know for sure that it's false | Nov 18 01:56 |
| oiaohm | When humans are desperate they don't make best choices. | Nov 18 01:57 |
| CrystalMath | desperate situations happen | Nov 18 01:57 |
| CrystalMath | it's no use to judge from hindsight | Nov 18 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Australia blocked hydroxychloroquine studies here before it was given to anyone. | Nov 18 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Because of the requirement of proper peer review information. | Nov 18 01:57 |
| CrystalMath | ah | Nov 18 01:57 |
| CrystalMath | well, that's being really careful | Nov 18 01:58 |
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| CrystalMath | in other scenarios that can be bad too | Nov 18 01:58 |
| oiaohm | More often than not its bad not to be careful. | Nov 18 01:58 |
| oiaohm | Is a rare scenario with medical where that level of careful does not work. | Nov 18 01:58 |
| CrystalMath | well against ebola many experimental drugs were given | Nov 18 01:59 |
| CrystalMath | out of desperation | Nov 18 01:59 |
| CrystalMath | and there was one that had some success | Nov 18 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Lot did pass peer review of being possible with the ebola tests. | Nov 18 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Possible and working are totally different things. | Nov 18 02:00 |
| oiaohm | The one that had some success with ebola did pass peer review to be possible before any usage. | Nov 18 02:00 |
| oiaohm | every one in the ebola experimental drugs that did not pass peer review totally failed. | Nov 18 02:01 |
| CrystalMath | either way i think we went way off topic | Nov 18 02:02 |
| CrystalMath | i still stand by freedom of speech | Nov 18 02:02 |
| oiaohm | There is a handful of rare exceptions Lorenzo's Oil case where peer review says is dangerous. Yet it was the right treatment. These are rare and due to the risk you want to start with a single test subject. | Nov 18 02:03 |
| oiaohm | When I say handful over the complete human medicial history there are 4 cases. | Nov 18 02:04 |
| oiaohm | The odds of you being right doing something not peer reviewed as possible is almost zero with medicial. | Nov 18 02:05 |
| oiaohm | Same with construction and many other fields. | Nov 18 02:05 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: freedom of speech is one thing false representation is another. You can say anything and state that you have no evidence that its true and should not be used as true without more tests as in a untested theory. | Nov 18 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Problem is you get a lot of people making stuff out as absolutely true that is without question false and this does kill people. | Nov 18 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Free-speech should not be without a duty of care on your part. | Nov 18 02:09 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: well the more you prevent people from thinking, the stupider they will be | Nov 18 02:09 |
| CrystalMath | it will just increase the problem | Nov 18 02:09 |
| CrystalMath | people need to be forced to think for themselves | Nov 18 02:09 |
| CrystalMath | and the only way is to let them get burned when they do something dumb | Nov 18 02:09 |
| oiaohm | Does not work that way. | Nov 18 02:09 |
| CrystalMath | like that flat earth guy who spent $30,000 building a gyroscope to prove the earth doesn't rotate | Nov 18 02:09 |
| CrystalMath | and.... his results were that it does in fact rotate | Nov 18 02:10 |
| CrystalMath | oops :P | Nov 18 02:10 |
| CrystalMath | it's absolutely impossible to protect people from stupidity | Nov 18 02:11 |
| oiaohm | One way a human avoids thinking for themselves is seeing something written as fact(does not have to be fact that is big problem) | Nov 18 02:11 |
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| CrystalMath | because, stupidity is precisely cured by people not being protected | Nov 18 02:12 |
| CrystalMath | not being sheltered | Nov 18 02:12 |
| CrystalMath | the more people dumb things down, the dumber people get | Nov 18 02:12 |
| CrystalMath | "make something idiot-proof, and nature will build a better idiot" | Nov 18 02:12 |
| oiaohm | No stupidity of humans has been the same over 2000 years as lot of these levels of stupid mistakes with documented saying something was true was false is documented in early china documents. | Nov 18 02:12 |
| oiaohm | Best protection against this stupidity is regulation against writing unproven theories as fact. | Nov 18 02:13 |
| CrystalMath | i think people should decide what the facts are themselves | Nov 18 02:13 |
| CrystalMath | and not be told | Nov 18 02:14 |
| CrystalMath | what the facts are | Nov 18 02:14 |
| oiaohm | If something is written as a unproven theory human nature kicks in to test it. | Nov 18 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Us humans like it or not we have a nature in the way our logic works. | Nov 18 02:14 |
| CrystalMath | if someone wants to believe tiny gnomes make computers work, that is not my problem | Nov 18 02:14 |
| CrystalMath | if someone wants to make a church of tinygnomism, that's not my problem either | Nov 18 02:15 |
| oiaohm | If they want to believe it as a person unproven theory that is fine. | Nov 18 02:15 |
| CrystalMath | it only becomes a problem when i am forced to acknowledge the tiny gnomes | Nov 18 02:15 |
| oiaohm | If they want to step out and say tiny gnomes are fact how computer work that is problem. | Nov 18 02:15 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think it's a problem for me | Nov 18 02:15 |
| CrystalMath | it's a problem for them | Nov 18 02:15 |
| CrystalMath | because they're wrong | Nov 18 02:16 |
| oiaohm | Think the trump chain of failure. | Nov 18 02:16 |
| CrystalMath | why are you obsessed with Trump? | Nov 18 02:16 |
| CrystalMath | as i said, he did a lot of great things | Nov 18 02:16 |
| oiaohm | Its just the most recent example. | Nov 18 02:16 |
| CrystalMath | he was a great mediator between Serbia and Kosovo | Nov 18 02:16 |
| CrystalMath | he made the US energy independent | Nov 18 02:17 |
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| CrystalMath | for the first time since 1957 | Nov 18 02:17 |
| CrystalMath | he reduced unemployment by a lot | Nov 18 02:17 |
| CrystalMath | it's extremely arrogant of you to believe that only dumb people voted for Trump | Nov 18 02:17 |
| CrystalMath | or that only uneducated / unscientific people voted for Trump | Nov 18 02:17 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 18 02:17 |
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| schestowitz | the US has an unemployment crisis | Nov 18 02:18 |
| CrystalMath | i would have totally picked Trump over Hillary | Nov 18 02:18 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: it didn't in 2019 | Nov 18 02:18 |
| schestowitz | and they barely even count the unemployed | Nov 18 02:18 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Nov 18 02:18 |
| schestowitz | they stop counting people | Nov 18 02:18 |
| schestowitz | the real unemployment climbs | Nov 18 02:18 |
| schestowitz | they count only those still pursuing work | Nov 18 02:18 |
| schestowitz | not those who just gave up | Nov 18 02:18 |
| schestowitz | you deem yourself a sceptical thinker | Nov 18 02:19 |
| schestowitz | when it comes to Trump, however, you're like a 'religion;' | Nov 18 02:19 |
| schestowitz | repeating cult45 talking points | Nov 18 02:19 |
| schestowitz | about how he's not doing wars | Nov 18 02:19 |
| schestowitz | when he drops bombs more than anyone | Nov 18 02:19 |
| schestowitz | and the economy is in pieces | Nov 18 02:19 |
| schestowitz | the rich got richer, as usual | Nov 18 02:19 |
| schestowitz | and faster | Nov 18 02:19 |
| CrystalMath | sure he failed in many things | Nov 18 02:19 |
| CrystalMath | but is he really as bad as they say? | Nov 18 02:20 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I'm off | Nov 18 02:20 |
| schestowitz | no need to argue this | Nov 18 02:20 |
| schestowitz | look those things up | Nov 18 02:20 |
| schestowitz | not in corporate media | Nov 18 02:20 |
| schestowitz | it's owned by those rich | Nov 18 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Trump gave them what they wanted | Nov 18 02:20 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/ Trump really did not reduce unemployment at the same rate obama was. | Nov 18 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | The Trump economy versus the Obama economy in 16 charts - The Washington Post | Nov 18 02:20 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of things for Trump was what Obama setup before him going in the right direction. | Nov 18 02:21 |
| oiaohm | Trump managed to slow most of that progress down. | Nov 18 02:21 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: when you look at the number Trump really did not do that good even removing covid-19. | Nov 18 02:21 |
| oiaohm | One thing trump has given the USA is more Debt to pay back in future. | Nov 18 02:23 |
| schestowitz | https://www.usdebtclock.org/ | Nov 18 02:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usdebtclock.org | U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time | Nov 18 02:25 | |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: lot of ways claiming unscientific back trump is fairly much true. As they make a lot of statements that are not in fact backed by the numbers on what happened. | Nov 18 02:25 |
| CrystalMath | we know about Trump and covid | Nov 18 02:26 |
| CrystalMath | the mainstream media don't let us forget, either | Nov 18 02:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the Chromium snap isn't too bad. | Nov 18 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm warming up to the idea of snaps on my system. | Nov 18 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | snaps are a literal opposite of reproducible builds | Nov 18 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently Chromium is hard to build even once. Great software, love it. | Nov 18 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Linux Mint has dedicated a server for Chromium building as a .deb, so you could use that. | Nov 18 02:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they're basically a fake distribution on top of Ubuntu. | Nov 18 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it would be compatible. | Nov 18 02:53 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: On Laptops: Thoughts On Using CentOS, Ubuntu LTS, and Fedora โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144480 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ae924af6-81d6-41d8-a088-df3ba3d99726] | Nov 18 02:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todayโs #HowTos | #UNIX โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144481 [https://pleroma.site/objects/69e9bc52-0597-4b61-a69d-425a309d8cf1] | Nov 18 03:02 | |
| schestowitz | [02:53] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, they're basically a fake distribution on top of Ubuntu. | Nov 18 03:09 |
| schestowitz | [Yeah, Ubuntu is basically a fake distribution on top of Debian. | Nov 18 03:09 |
| schestowitz | welcome to gnu/linux | Nov 18 03:09 |
| schestowitz | it helps if you know how it works | Nov 18 03:09 |
| schestowitz | go to /etc/version or debian_release | Nov 18 03:09 |
| schestowitz | and remind yourself how Ubuntu is made | Nov 18 03:09 |
| schestowitz | > You know, if you look at all the efforts (your slated.org friend used to | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > write about them all the time) to control how people talk to each other | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > in software-related communities, what is now called "bigotry" really did | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > put companies first. | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > They were making a bigger deal out of putting a dollar sign in | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > "Microsoft" years before they had a problem with "master/slave" or | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > "blacklist". | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > Which ought to show reasonable people what the real intent is here. You | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > need to hijack a legitimate cause, if you want your bullshit cause to go | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > even farther. They really did set out originally to protect monopolies | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > from criticism. Years later they bolted on protecting coders from | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > standard tech industry terminology. How can anybody think that's a mark | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > of sincerity? It's the essence of propaganda-- not to solve bigotry, but | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > to conflate protesting a bad corporation with bigotry. But it's not just | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > shameless and cynical and sometimes obviously-- it's even supported by a | Nov 18 03:21 |
| schestowitz | > casual look at the history. | Nov 18 03:21 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices/Embedded: Pantera Pico PC, Pi, NAS and More โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144482 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ae44de7d-090c-41f8-9dee-5f9cf2c2575a] | Nov 18 03:36 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: First two i.MX8M Plus SMARC modules break cover โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144483 [https://pleroma.site/objects/52fef064-21e4-4497-8f85-5d878e286f35] | Nov 18 03:52 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ubuntu isn't Debian. | Nov 18 03:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They actually seem to care about if people can figure out how to install and configure it, for starters. | Nov 18 04:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It pretty much just works as a desktop role. | Nov 18 04:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't bothered with Debian since a brief encounter with Debian 6 though. | Nov 18 04:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Besides, they pulled in MinceR's favorite init and service management framework in the whole wide world. | Nov 18 04:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I happen to think that they should have rejected it and brought in Upstart. | Nov 18 04:01 |
| schestowitz | [03:59] <DaemonFC[m]> Ubuntu isn't Debian. | Nov 18 04:02 |
| schestowitz | duh | Nov 18 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But like MinceR, my opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of McDonald's coffee. | Nov 18 04:02 |
| schestowitz | and mint is not Ubuntu | Nov 18 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mint uses the same binaries. | Nov 18 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't even bother to scrub the references to Ubuntu from them. | Nov 18 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you use Cinnamon on Ubuntu it's pretty much the same thing without the security update delays introduced by Mint. | Nov 18 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In some cases, Ubuntu doesn't remove Debian fluff from everything, but they do compile the system themselves and they update it more often. There's a better installer with better defaults. They don't support a lot of questionable architectures, diluting QA. Then there's the whole PPA and Snap thing. | Nov 18 04:07 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Firefox 84 Beta Begins Enabling WebRender By Default On Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144477#comment-27175 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c18cc0e1-9305-4dd2-b85c-370769ce7542] | Nov 18 04:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | To be honest, PPA and Snap are a good addition to Kubuntu as well, because if Debian doesn't have it it's usually doubtful anyone has packaged it, so you can build it yourself or try pounding in an Ubuntu package that may or may not work. | Nov 18 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just love going well shit, that program isn't there. Time to compile something. | Nov 18 04:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Debian warns PPAs will break Debian, but.... Debian hasn't come up with it's own solution. | Nov 18 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have secret mailing lists for crying out loud. | Nov 18 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems Debian makes a better upstream for distributions than a distribution. | Nov 18 04:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And credit where it's due, it certainly would be worse if they didn't exist, and their package manager has improved greatly. | Nov 18 04:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: AMD and NVIDIA Latest โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144484 [https://pleroma.site/objects/889b6f7e-39ca-4c67-9f62-bed0cfa46287] | Nov 18 04:13 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: UP Xtreme i11 SBC runs pre-installed Ubuntu on Tiger Lake โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144485 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7d2b778e-1de6-43ba-8780-ad062636fc96] | Nov 18 04:20 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: PPA also end up breaking Ubuntu. | Nov 18 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu has not end up going the snap path for no reason. | Nov 18 04:21 |
| schestowitz | lockin | Nov 18 04:34 |
| schestowitz | and proprietary software push | Nov 18 04:34 |
| schestowitz | bad reasons | Nov 18 04:34 |
| schestowitz | same for IBM with flatprick | Nov 18 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, as Windows 10 once said..... | Nov 18 04:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Something happened something happened. | Nov 18 04:50 |
| schestowitz | I know what happened | Nov 18 04:51 |
| schestowitz | some developer happened to have forgotten to change the placeholder | Nov 18 04:52 |
| schestowitz | because Vista10 is spaghetti code | Nov 18 04:52 |
| schestowitz | and dying | Nov 18 04:52 |
| schestowitz | bar the bribes from Microsoft to OEMs and shops | Nov 18 04:52 |
| schestowitz | like... oh wait... where are Microsoft stores? | Nov 18 04:52 |
| schestowitz | All shut down | Nov 18 04:52 |
| schestowitz | the media didn't pay much attention | Nov 18 04:52 |
| schestowitz | nothing to see here, move along | Nov 18 04:52 |
| schestowitz | they merely 'modernise' | Nov 18 04:53 |
| schestowitz | with "online experience" | Nov 18 04:53 |
| schestowitz | and MSN staff being fired is "HEY HI" | Nov 18 04:53 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/store/locations/find-a-store the stores by Microsoft site are still meant to exist. | Nov 18 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Find a Microsoft Store Near Me - Microsoft Store | Nov 18 04:55 | |
| cubexyz | is CSM still supported? | Nov 18 04:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-winpc/unable-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-something-happened/be12b76d-af02-46a1-a00c-4e4af0c29588 | Nov 18 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com | Unable to Upgrade to Windows 10 - Something Happened error - Microsoft Community | Nov 18 04:56 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: tenor_gif3594203459329216536.gif (24KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/oVVomsJZRtwYMDggGtDtTGrB/tenor_gif3594203459329216536.gif > | Nov 18 04:56 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I found out that the taskbar moved from bottom of the screen to the left side caused issues with 2 of my upgrades. | Nov 18 04:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I upgraded 11 PCs and 2 of them show this "something happened" error message. Those 2 had the taskbar LOCKED to the left side of the screen. Remove the Lock and place it back to the bottom resolve the issue." | Nov 18 04:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Quality. | Nov 18 04:58 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 18 04:58 |
| schestowitz | you pay for it? | Nov 18 04:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whereby you can't upgrade because you moved the taskbar. | Nov 18 04:58 |
| cubexyz | btw I bought a Dell T3600 a while back, no slackware issues | Nov 18 04:59 |
| cubexyz | that's 2014 tech though | Nov 18 04:59 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: CSM in UEFI I guess you mean. Intel has techically stopped providing support versions of that. | Nov 18 05:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's nice to know that the people trolling Linux have their operating system upgrade fail with "something happened" because they moved the taskbar to the side of the screen, isn't it? | Nov 18 05:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59 would probably say they should make it more difficult to get it in an unsupported state. Instead of fixing the bug, they could just make it impossible to move the taskbar anywhere where it will cause the upgrade program to fail. | Nov 18 05:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR^ | Nov 18 05:04 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: of course someone might decide to make like seabios as a loader on top of UEFI to bring CSM back. | Nov 18 05:04 |
| cubexyz | I'm still waiting for coreboot desktop motherboards you can just buy | Nov 18 05:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think SeaBIOS should be part of any Coreboot system in case I want to run DOS. Because it's my computer and I should be able to boot it into Real Mode DOS in 2020 if I want to. | Nov 18 05:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59 probably thinks that it's just fine to run firmware updates while a general purpose OS (including one like Windows that could suicide bomb itself any second for no reason at all) is running. So why would you ever need DOS? | Nov 18 05:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After all, we should make it hard to get it into an unsupported state where the flash has a 99.9999% chance of going well. | Nov 18 05:06 |
| cubexyz | you could want to run a real mode OS yes | Nov 18 05:06 |
| cubexyz | not common but possible | Nov 18 05:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't see any reason why DOS should have fallen by the wayside, really. | Nov 18 05:07 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.coreboot.org/Payloads coreboot has 3 different bios implementations all able to run dos. seabios, openbios and Open Firmware | Nov 18 05:07 |
| cubexyz | ISA cards, again rare but there are still a few people using them | Nov 18 05:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.coreboot.org | Payloads - coreboot | Nov 18 05:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | DOS extenders could do anything. So, the user could just use DOS as a base of operations to do whatever they wanted, including load Linux. | Nov 18 05:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Things got infinitely worse when Windows became commonly accepted. | Nov 18 05:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | System requirements soared, just so you could click on things. | Nov 18 05:08 |
| cubexyz | that's why I wrote the foss matrix | Nov 18 05:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DOS wasn't particularly unstable, but Windows 98 crashed at least a few times per day. | Nov 18 05:09 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/foss-matrix.txt | Nov 18 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Dos does have some major problems. | Nov 18 05:09 |
| oiaohm | So does bios. | Nov 18 05:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 2000 was the only version I had any serious uptime with. | Nov 18 05:10 |
| oiaohm | Bios was not really designed for 4k sector harddrives. Dos is absolutely not designed for 4k sector harddrives. | Nov 18 05:10 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, is not that we think msdos is great | Nov 18 05:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To the point that I downgraded some XP systems just because it ran like shit and was less stable. | Nov 18 05:10 |
| cubexyz | we just want to run anything we want as an OS | Nov 18 05:10 |
| oiaohm | freedos runs into real trouble at 2tb harddrives. | Nov 18 05:10 |
| cubexyz | AROS, or even our own custom OS | Nov 18 05:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I set up my last Legacy BIOS system with BIOS-GPT. | Nov 18 05:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The specification was much nicer than uEFI, on balance. | Nov 18 05:11 |
| cubexyz | mostly for old msdos games I can use scummvm | Nov 18 05:12 |
| cubexyz | or wine for old windows games | Nov 18 05:12 |
| oiaohm | Most old dos games dosbox is best choice because modern hardware is too fast. | Nov 18 05:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could hack around BIOS partitioning limits easily in a way that the user would never need to think about again. | Nov 18 05:12 |
| oiaohm | so you need emulation to slow it down. | Nov 18 05:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it wasn't really that big of a deal. | Nov 18 05:13 |
| oiaohm | Until you have a 10TB harddrive. | Nov 18 05:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What happens then? | Nov 18 05:13 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I have rather a lot of old PC clunkers anyways | Nov 18 05:14 |
| oiaohm | The 10TB drives are 4K drives that really don't like 512 emulation. | Nov 18 05:14 |
| oiaohm | So they stall out to hell with a 512 write pattern. | Nov 18 05:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, nobody should like 512 emulation. | Nov 18 05:15 |
| oiaohm | 512 is 512 sector operations. | Nov 18 05:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was put into place because Microsoft didn't want to bother updating older versions of Windows. | Nov 18 05:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes old bios also use that for reading the bootloaders. | Nov 18 05:15 |
| oiaohm | 4k drives expect you to ask for 4k not 512. | Nov 18 05:15 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Can they do both? I'm not sure about that. | Nov 18 05:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shouldn't affect anything if you were only using it to get the system to POST and then the OS knew what 4k was. | Nov 18 05:16 |
| oiaohm | That the catch when you get to 10TB and past harddrives are design for 4K. | Nov 18 05:17 |
| oiaohm | Quite a few of them cannot do both. | Nov 18 05:17 |
| oiaohm | There is a transition window from 512 bytes per sector to 4K per sector in harddrives. | Nov 18 05:18 |
| oiaohm | This same transition window will appear in solid state storage as well. | Nov 18 05:18 |
| oiaohm | the old bios/dos due to hardware changes is very much coming I must be run in emulation. | Nov 18 05:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: So, is this my imagination or not? Change of subject btw. | Nov 18 05:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My sinuses are terrible, and I went and bought two air purifiers, and now my sinuses are totally clear. | Nov 18 05:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I figure it must be the air purifiers. I'm trying to think what I've been allergic to all the time that's been in every single house. | Nov 18 05:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I even had sinus surgery at one point and it didn't really help so much as I ended up in the hospital for a month because I picked up an infection in the operating room. | Nov 18 05:21 |
| cubexyz | some mold spores are bad | Nov 18 05:21 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: I do not have a good answer for that. | Nov 18 05:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is something called an iFD filter. | Nov 18 05:22 |
| oiaohm | It could be something in house or that you simply had a long term infection. | Nov 18 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just went ahead and stocked up on the carbon prefilter things. | Nov 18 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Amazon had a bunch of warehouse deal specials on them. | Nov 18 05:22 |
| oiaohm | Reducing general contimination around you for a while can allow body to get ahead of a long term sinuses infection. | Nov 18 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're disposable but are supposed to do a better job than the washable prefilter. | Nov 18 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <oiaohm "Reducing general contimination a"> Oh I have sinus infections constantly. | Nov 18 05:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: so you might have been alergic to something or had a long term mild sinus infection. | Nov 18 05:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About every year or two they get so bad I have to go on amoxicillin again. | Nov 18 05:23 |
| oiaohm | There is a chance that you were never rid of them. | Nov 18 05:24 |
| oiaohm | You body has to always been dealing with a level of contaimination around you. | Nov 18 05:24 |
| oiaohm | That changes up and down. | Nov 18 05:25 |
| cubexyz | like a room full of laserprints... | Nov 18 05:25 |
| cubexyz | laserprinters | Nov 18 05:25 |
| oiaohm | Now long term sinus infection reduces you means to cope with that. | Nov 18 05:25 |
| oiaohm | Of course you can hide a long term sinus infection by like going into a clean room. | Nov 18 05:26 |
| oiaohm | Doing harddrive repairs in the like working in clean rooms something we were told to check for was sinus infections. | Nov 18 05:26 |
| oiaohm | because while working in clean room you could appear totally fine. | Nov 18 05:26 |
| oiaohm | Step out side basically be dead person. | Nov 18 05:27 |
| oiaohm | Did not have to be anything your were alergic to. | Nov 18 05:27 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://medlineplus.gov/lab-tests/allergy-blood-test/ Allergy there is in fact a blood test. If you have a sinus infections and your doctor has been doing their job they should have done the allergy blood test. | Nov 18 05:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medlineplus.gov | Allergy Blood Test: MedlinePlus Medical Test | Nov 18 05:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-AirGenius-Cleaner-Odor-Reducer/dp/B009P7SVHS | Nov 18 05:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon.com: Honeywell AirGenius Air Purifier, 1-Pack, Black: Home & Kitchen | Nov 18 05:31 | |
| oiaohm | That tells if it just infection or allergy. | Nov 18 05:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I put an AirGenius 5 in the living room and liked it so much I put a 4 in the bedroom. After I figured out that the 4 is basically the same thing with buttons instead of a touchscreen. ($20 cheaper.) | Nov 18 05:32 |
| oiaohm | Yes that blood test can be used to tell what you have done has removed what you are allergic to. | Nov 18 05:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Part of it could be the cats, I guess. | Nov 18 05:33 |
| oiaohm | Big thing have you ever had the allergy blood test. | Nov 18 05:33 |
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| oiaohm | That something you need to check. | Nov 18 05:33 |
| oiaohm | There are many different infections that can cause sinus trouble that can come from cats. | Nov 18 05:34 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: fun part with sinus trouble is working out is it infection or is it allergy. | Nov 18 05:35 |
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| oiaohm | Or if it both. | Nov 18 05:35 |
| oiaohm | Before blood tests it was insane guess work. | Nov 18 05:36 |
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| oiaohm | https://youtube-dl.org/ Just notice youtube-dl repo is back. | Nov 18 06:36 |
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| CrystalMath | yep | Nov 18 06:47 |
| CrystalMath | i posted a link to the news of that | Nov 18 06:47 |
| CrystalMath | yesterday | Nov 18 06:47 |
| oiaohm | Interesting that it was attack in Germany as well. | Nov 18 06:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/michaelgraaf/status/1328923342359977984 | Nov 18 08:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michaelgraaf: For those who think Microsoft buying Github was just business...https://t.co/WiFJjojR41 | Nov 18 08:58 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 10 Best Linux Anti-Spam Tools and Software in 2020 โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144491 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0dab829a-e1cf-47f6-9683-cf6e58acf583] | Nov 18 09:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Lite โ An Easy to Use Free and Fast Linux Distro โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144492 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7b4fb5c9-882e-4909-bed9-8bb6eccaeb36] | Nov 18 09:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://fair.org/home/new-yorks-chait-boosts-charter-schools-but-no-longer-mentions-spouses-policy-role-in-charter-school-industry/ | Nov 18 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fair.org | New Yorkโs Chait Boosts Charter Schoolsโbut No Longer Mentions Spouseโs Policy Role in Charter School Industry โ FAIR | Nov 18 09:23 | |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: writing an RSS 2.0 library from scratch. Can share with you after I'm done. | Nov 18 09:31 |
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| schestowitz | cool | Nov 18 09:33 |
| schestowitz | btw, I regenerated the bulletin | Nov 18 09:33 |
| schestowitz | and it was copied across, overwriting the previous files | Nov 18 09:33 |
| schestowitz | not sure if that'll make a new hash first time update is run | Nov 18 09:33 |
| vZS1 | Wait | Nov 18 09:33 |
| vZS1 | Did you change the index format? | Nov 18 09:34 |
| vZS1 | If the index format is the same, it shouldn't matter | Nov 18 09:34 |
| vZS1 | Because my bot looks for any difference in old and new index. If there's a difference, it copies the whole new index from the source | Nov 18 09:35 |
| schestowitz | so it might do that | Nov 18 09:36 |
| schestowitz | index format the same | Nov 18 09:36 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. Then it's fine | Nov 18 09:36 |
| schestowitz | but the file had two articles added to it | Nov 18 09:36 |
| schestowitz | posted past midnight | Nov 18 09:36 |
| schestowitz | today we'll do more EPO disclosures of documents | Nov 18 09:36 |
| vZS1 | The bot sequentially processes each CID | Nov 18 09:36 |
| vZS1 | So it won't miss new things in the middle | Nov 18 09:37 |
| vZS1 | I designed it like this intentionally. To be robust. (: | Nov 18 09:37 |
| vZS1 | So as long as the index format is the same, you can modify the index however you want | Nov 18 09:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Proprietary Issues and Linux Foundation Leftovers โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144493 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4630955b-88b6-4987-a103-e250b7f63a7b] | Nov 18 09:47 | |
| vZS1 | I'm basically building everything from scratch. The nice thing is I can keep things lean this way. And slapping AGPLv3 on everything. | Nov 18 09:49 |
| vZS1 | The other stuff I depend on is all GPL or compatible as well | Nov 18 09:49 |
| vZS1 | HTTP server, RSS library, IPFS index management, even thinking of rolling a minimal IRC server. | Nov 18 09:50 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144494 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f0167e2f-25cd-499a-973a-9b76ffc0240b] | Nov 18 09:50 | |
| vZS1 | The alternatives are all way too much bloat | Nov 18 09:51 |
| vZS1 | I'm mercilessly cutting out everything unnecessary | Nov 18 09:52 |
| vZS1 | Because the whole idea is to offload everything possible to IPFS | Nov 18 09:52 |
| vZS1 | So stuff like Apache, Nginx, etc are all bloat. | Nov 18 09:53 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian and Ubuntu Leftovers โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144495 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aef09096-f0d5-4d24-bbfa-6c6db7e5801b] | Nov 18 09:55 | |
| vZS1 | So far, everything is fitting on my Pi with loads of resources to spare. The IPFS daemon is the heaviest component. And it'll stay that way. | Nov 18 09:56 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144496 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e33a15ea-c054-4b99-8f18-84212ac68ce2] | Nov 18 09:57 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: Botfather, SpeedCrunch, Tor Browser, Chrome 87, MongoDB, WordPress, GNOME Tweak Tool โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144497 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fad6fdab-85e0-4601-b69a-1c1779a3744c] | Nov 18 10:03 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todayโs ๐๐ฎ๐ฑ ๐๐๐๐ก๐ข๐ง๐๐ฌ Leftovers โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144498 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0195e6ee-a5e8-4f09-82b9-474826dbdf9b] | Nov 18 10:05 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 18/11/2020: SUSE IPO Rumours, Servo (GitHub-Trapped) Thrown at Linux Foundation โข ๐๐ ด๐ ฒ๐ ท๐๐ ธ๐ ถ๐ ท๐๐ โ http://techrights.org/2020/11/18/suse-ipo-rumours/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/c9ab53b2-333a-41e6-b8fc-a76dc985bb73] | Nov 18 10:08 | |
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| oiaohm | vZS1: fun if you end up with a auto scaling http cluster. | Nov 18 12:30 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stars and Stripes: NASA and Linux โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144499 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2f1978b7-c55c-42e5-9ec9-ad9d17ebea12] | Nov 18 13:44 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144500 [https://pleroma.site/objects/df40af08-3340-4d76-bd60-35f4ed9d0a52] | Nov 18 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | vZS1: | Nov 18 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Bandwidth | Nov 18 13:57 |
| schestowitz | TotalIn: 16 GB | Nov 18 13:57 |
| schestowitz | TotalOut: 6.2 GB | Nov 18 13:57 |
| vZS1 | I've lost track of mine because I keep changing things | Nov 18 13:58 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to someone about mine | Nov 18 14:01 |
| schestowitz | I might take it offline for a bit next month to assemble extensions | Nov 18 14:01 |
| schestowitz | lights, LEDs, keys | Nov 18 14:01 |
| schestowitz | I was sent several modules | Nov 18 14:01 |
| schestowitz | but need a soldering gun, which I can neither buy or borrow | Nov 18 14:02 |
| schestowitz | *nor | Nov 18 14:02 |
| schestowitz | the pi is fully backups up now to my laptop and external drive, so there are three copies | Nov 18 14:02 |
| schestowitz | in case we need to reassemble anything | Nov 18 14:02 |
| schestowitz | done enough EPO pubs for today | Nov 18 14:02 |
| schestowitz | will move on to gnu/linux/fs now | Nov 18 14:02 |
| schestowitz | I won't be back on shift (work) trill firday night | Nov 18 14:03 |
| MinceR | 18 045926 < DaemonFC[m]> Ubuntu isn't Debian. | Nov 18 14:04 |
| MinceR | ubunturd relies on deadian for all the hard work | Nov 18 14:04 |
| MinceR | they realized cancerd was shit but did nothing about it because it would have taken work | Nov 18 14:05 |
| MinceR | they also gave up on unity | Nov 18 14:05 |
| MinceR | and mir | Nov 18 14:05 |
| MinceR | 18 055851 < DaemonFC[m]> Whereby you can't upgrade because you moved the taskbar. | Nov 18 14:06 |
| MinceR | ah yes, the Year of Windows on the Desktop | Nov 18 14:06 |
| MinceR | there are parts of it that sometimes almost work! | Nov 18 14:06 |
| MinceR | no need to hurry, they've only released the first version 34 years ago. | Nov 18 14:07 |
| schestowitz | gnu? | Nov 18 14:07 |
| schestowitz | windows? | Nov 18 14:07 |
| MinceR | windows | Nov 18 14:08 |
| MinceR | they're working on infiltrating and fucking up GNU, but it isn't as bad as Backdoors yet | Nov 18 14:09 |
| schestowitz | I have two sides to me; | Nov 18 14:10 |
| schestowitz | the optimist | Nov 18 14:10 |
| schestowitz | and the pessimist | Nov 18 14:10 |
| schestowitz | mixing the two is reconcilable | Nov 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | on the one hand, gnu is used a lot | Nov 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | even on devices | Nov 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | in HPC also, a LOT.. | Nov 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | but media calls it "LINUX" | Nov 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | but f the media | Nov 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't matter | Nov 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | otho, we're being infiltrated | Nov 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | and not just by Microsoft | Nov 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | They all want a piece of the action, Google included | Nov 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | so the GNU vision isn't playing out the way it was meant to... or foreseen/envisioned | Nov 18 14:12 |
| schestowitz | so we sort of try to correct the route | Nov 18 14:12 |
| schestowitz | and then they tell us to just use GNU as WSL | Nov 18 14:12 |
| schestowitz | basically to buy a Vista10 machines with back doors and spying ('telemetry') | Nov 18 14:12 |
| schestowitz | and that this is "love" | Nov 18 14:12 |
| schestowitz | so we can recognise progress made | Nov 18 14:12 |
| schestowitz | by some perturbed standard | Nov 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | and try to adjust that to what we want it to be | Nov 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | recognising that there won't be exactly what we wanted | Nov 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | like community distros dominating | Nov 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Amazon also has its own distro now | Nov 18 14:13 |
| smnthermes | > โ[01:03:46] โDaemonFC[m]โ: If you use Cinnamon on Ubuntu it's pretty much the same thing without the security update delays introduced by Mint. | Nov 18 14:13 |
| smnthermes | Examples? | Nov 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | concern-trolling | Nov 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | imho | Nov 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Mint is doing no worse than most | Nov 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | and when very severe bugs exist the fixes come downstream to mint fast | Nov 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | and they're binary-compatible afiak | Nov 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's just another pointless systemd/Linux distro | Nov 18 14:18 |
| schestowitz | usually kernel-level things or some micropackage | Nov 18 14:18 |
| schestowitz | like some "lib" part of something else | Nov 18 14:18 |
| schestowitz | like libxml | Nov 18 14:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: does systemd replace linux? | Nov 18 14:18 |
| schestowitz | or gnu? | Nov 18 14:18 |
| schestowitz | usually utils connected to both | Nov 18 14:18 |
| schestowitz | so you could say systemd/glinux | Nov 18 14:19 |
| schestowitz | device drivers=linux | Nov 18 14:19 |
| schestowitz | gnu for programs | Nov 18 14:19 |
| schestowitz | systemd for network management, services etc. | Nov 18 14:19 |
| schestowitz | then stuff on top | Nov 18 14:19 |
| schestowitz | maybe wayland will become part of systemd ;-) | Nov 18 14:19 |
| schestowitz | then lvfs | Nov 18 14:20 |
| schestowitz | then a systemd Universal Desktop Environment | Nov 18 14:20 |
| schestowitz | With systemDoffice | Nov 18 14:20 |
| schestowitz | and a browser | Nov 18 14:20 |
| smnthermes | Servo-based browser? | Nov 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Servo is offensive | Nov 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | like "git" | Nov 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | they're servants of Microsoft | Nov 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | we need to abolish both | Nov 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | servo also uses rust, which is a servant of Microsoft | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | which is obviously an ethnic thing | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | they tell us | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | only blacks serve whites.... or something.. | Nov 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | and masters can only ever be "white" and "privileged".. or something | Nov 18 14:23 |
| schestowitz | I reckon a large nation like China and India had far more masters and slaves than the US and Europe combined every had | Nov 18 14:23 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it's replacing GNU | Nov 18 14:23 |
| schestowitz | they just had different words for those things and practices | Nov 18 14:23 |
| MinceR | at least until they rename Linux to systemd-kerneld | Nov 18 14:23 |
| schestowitz | for sure the Japanese made sex slaves and used CHinese slave labour for centuries | Nov 18 14:23 |
| MinceR | or move its repo inside the systemd repo | Nov 18 14:24 |
| MinceR | or both | Nov 18 14:24 |
| schestowitz | let's see how long for linux can stay outside Microsoft's direct claws (GitHub) | Nov 18 14:26 |
| schestowitz | they already had a few goes/test runs at it | Nov 18 14:26 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/outsourcing-linux-to-microsoft-github/ | Nov 18 14:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Warning: Microsoft Tim and Microsoftโs New Mole Inside โLinuxโ Foundation Board (a Paid-For Seat) Liaise to Outsource Linux Development to Microsoftโs Proprietary Software Trap | Techrights | Nov 18 14:26 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can easily seize control of anything in GitHub | Nov 18 14:26 |
| schestowitz | and even censor those who oppose that | Nov 18 14:26 |
| schestowitz | to make a false or parallel reality about what's going on | Nov 18 14:27 |
| schestowitz | happened to Rust, afaik | Nov 18 14:27 |
| schestowitz | and they silence Microsoft critics now | Nov 18 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Rust and anything made with it may be doomed to fail | Nov 18 14:27 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ | Nov 18 14:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights | Nov 18 14:27 | |
| vZS1 | The real problem is the devs. GNU is a thing because developers build off each other's work and make it easy to do so. Also at the same time using the right license and development platform to swat away the grubby hands of GAFAM. | Nov 18 14:34 |
| vZS1 | A lot of people don't realise how legendary the programming and hacking skills the GNU vanguard have. The GPL and AGPL make sure that works like those stay copyleft. | Nov 18 14:36 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144502 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f505888d-9da4-4924-a325-bf5fb1a9dd9f] | Nov 18 14:38 | |
| vZS1 | One way TR could really contribute is to dispel the myth that "permissive" licenses help developers. Look at how badly projects like OpenBSD suffered financially. Their work basically got leeched by GAFAM and they got nothing back. Copyleft is important to keep control of work that's done by domain experts. | Nov 18 14:39 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora 34 to Introduce KDE Plasma Spin for 64-bit ARM โข ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ๐ด๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144501 [https://pleroma.site/objects/75c86159-d96c-4e9f-85ff-ea998fe6d3ed] | Nov 18 14:39 | |
| vZS1 | The OpenBSD financial struggles are easily accessible on Wikipedia | Nov 18 14:39 |
| vZS1 | Look to a project like nmap to see how to do copyleft right | Nov 18 14:40 |
| vZS1 | The nmap license is basically AGPL but with clauses for commercial support contracts and a separate OEM license for inclusion in proprietary products | Nov 18 14:41 |
| vZS1 | They keep control of their project and have finances rolling in. And users still have full freedom over their software | Nov 18 14:41 |
| MinceR | > swat away the grubby hands of GAFAM. | Nov 18 14:44 |
| MinceR | that doesn't seem to be working anymore | Nov 18 14:44 |
| vZS1 | Yes it did y | Nov 18 14:44 |
| vZS1 | Does* | Nov 18 14:44 |
| vZS1 | Look at nmap | Nov 18 14:44 |
| MinceR | microshit took over Linux | Nov 18 14:44 |
| vZS1 | I'm not talking about Linux | Nov 18 14:44 |
| MinceR | corporate SJWs took over FSF and cancelled RMS | Nov 18 14:44 |
| schestowitz | [14:39] <vZS1> One way TR could really contribute is to dispel the myth that "permissive" licenses help developers. Look at how badly projects like OpenBSD suffered financially. Their work basically got leeched by GAFAM and they got nothing back. Copyleft is important to keep control of work that's done by domain experts. | Nov 18 14:44 |
| schestowitz | We wrote a LOT about GPL back in the days | Nov 18 14:44 |
| schestowitz | AGPL also | Nov 18 14:45 |
| schestowitz | around 2007 | Nov 18 14:45 |
| vZS1 | Do the nmap license | Nov 18 14:45 |
| MinceR | OpenBSD may yet survive Linux and GNU | Nov 18 14:45 |
| vZS1 | It's a good one | Nov 18 14:45 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: new: https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/105196692271789473 | Nov 18 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jan ๐ท Wildeboer: "If you, for whatever reason, want to make sure yoโฆ" - social.wildeboer.net | Nov 18 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | Perens likes AGPL http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/bruce-perens-on-supplicants/ | Nov 18 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Key Parts of the Latest Talk From Bruce Perens, Who Seemingly Wants to Go Back to Freedom (Because โOpenโ Became Increasingly Meaningless and Users Are Harmed) | Techrights | Nov 18 14:46 | |
| vZS1 | FOSS, Open Source, etc are all harmful terminology | Nov 18 14:47 |
| vZS1 | The BSD licenses are also crap for user freedom | Nov 18 14:47 |
| vZS1 | Because you just gift free code to GAFAM with any BSD license | Nov 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz | not only to GAFAM | Nov 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz | it ends up cheapening development of proprietary crap | Nov 18 14:48 |
| vZS1 | Pretty much | Nov 18 14:49 |
| scientes | vZS1, no, there is no harm. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me. | Nov 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | and meanwhile that does not improve the code we have available to all | Nov 18 14:49 |
| MinceR | also to any free software project that uses a different license from the one you would have used :> | Nov 18 14:49 |
| vZS1 | AGPL is what we need now. | Nov 18 14:50 |
| vZS1 | The sign that GAFAM treat it like poison is a good one for copyleft | Nov 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz | they bribe SFC | Nov 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/video-copyleftconf/ | Nov 18 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: Microsoft-Sponsored โCopyleftโ Conf (Keynote Sold to Microsoft, a Serial GPL Violator and Primary FUD Source) Features Previous FSF (Co)President and RMS Ouster | Techrights | Nov 18 14:51 | |
| scientes | What we need now is more money and power. | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/04/30/copyleft-conf-2020/ | Nov 18 14:51 |
| vZS1 | Anyway. Got to get back to work | Nov 18 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Platinum (Top) Sponsors of Copyleft Conf Are Companies That Attack Copyleftโs Father, Richard Stallman | Techrights | Nov 18 14:51 | |
| vZS1 | Lots to do | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | general manager of OSI now | Nov 18 14:51 |
| scientes | If only I had more money, and more power. | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Deb Icaza | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | that's their entry point | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | pay money, get in | Nov 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | speak FOR what you ATTACK | Nov 18 14:52 |
| vZS1 | OSI, FSF, EFF, SFC, W3C, all compromised | Nov 18 14:52 |
| cybrNaut | GAFAM is too short. MACFANG is better. (MS Amazon CloudFlare Facebook Apple Netflix Google) | Nov 18 14:52 |
| schestowitz | EFF today | Nov 18 14:52 |
| schestowitz | [11:03] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝไผ): #EFF again failing to blast #microsoft for what it did (yes, EFF is useless for many things) and telling people to #deletegithub https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/11/github-reinstates-youtube-dl-after-riaas-abuse-dmca [https://pleroma.site/objects/8f6e1f07-a01f-4008-83fa-e5dd35f90cda] | Nov 18 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | GitHub Reinstates youtube-dl After RIAAโs Abuse of the DMCA | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Nov 18 14:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Nov 18 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | also yesterday | Nov 18 14:53 |
| schestowitz | [09:40] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝไผ): #EFF Push Back Against #RIAA , Reinstate #Youtubedl Repository https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201116/17110245717/github-eff-push-back-against-riaa-reinstate-youtube-dl-repository.shtml EFF deflecting from #microsoft role. Boo. [https://pleroma.site/objects/4f3c972c-f2e3-4d95-9c23-d2e9a0f9a6a7] | Nov 18 14:53 |
| vZS1 | I need to get back to work on this RSS library | Nov 18 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub, EFF Push Back Against RIAA, Reinstate Youtube-dl Repository | Techdirt | Nov 18 14:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Nov 18 14:53 | |
| cybrNaut | leaving CloudFlare out is a mistake. they're the biggest rat bastard scumbags | Nov 18 14:53 |
| schestowitz | it's part of a pattern | Nov 18 14:53 |
| schestowitz | EFF never really criticises Microsoft anymore | Nov 18 14:53 |
| scientes | cybrNaut, is that a iPhone attachment? | Nov 18 14:53 |
| scientes | macFang | Nov 18 14:53 |
| schestowitz | they even gave an AWARD to a Microsoft privacy abuser | Nov 18 14:53 |
| schestowitz | EFF is finished to me, almost... | Nov 18 14:54 |
| schestowitz | the people I trusted there have left or died | Nov 18 14:54 |
| scientes | diabetic monitor | Nov 18 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Financially compromised too http://techrights.org/2019/01/20/google-internship-eff/ | Nov 18 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EFF Must Return That โInternshipโ Money to Google or It Would Disgrace the Patent Reform Movement (by Association) | Techrights | Nov 18 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/a-good-look-at-the-eff/ | Nov 18 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EFF: Sitting on a Massive Pile of Money and Members Are Less Than a Third of the Revenue | Techrights | Nov 18 14:55 | |
| schestowitz | they're a money-making machine | Nov 18 14:55 |
| cybrNaut | EFF does seem overly fixated on Google, and Google is the lesser of MACFANG evils | Nov 18 14:55 |
| schestowitz | EFF takes money from Google | Nov 18 14:55 |
| schestowitz | it's too gentle on it at times | Nov 18 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it waits for some bribes from Marky Zucky too | Nov 18 14:55 |
| schestowitz | to add to that $40,000,000 in the bank | Nov 18 14:55 |
| schestowitz | they attacked email encryption | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | with that "efail" BS | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | which backfied | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | and they recommended the Microsoft-hosted Signal | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | which REQUIRES a 'phone' number | Nov 18 14:56 |
| scientes | cybrNaut, so they suck your blood, but suck less of it? | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | and which Vault 7 leaks had already shown to be compromised | Nov 18 14:56 |
| schestowitz | that's after head honchos of EFF had died | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | now it's cindy cohen | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | I don't know her technical creds | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | she probably has /some/, nowhere near Barlow's | Nov 18 14:57 |
| schestowitz | and maybe it's worth finding out who she's connected to, like who spouse works for | Nov 18 14:57 |
| cybrNaut | We need an EFF that has a pair of balls, and not in bed with the Tor project. Tor project are sellouts, easily bribed by donations. EFF respects those who bribe Tor | Nov 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | we might have hit the jackpot if it can mine that deep | Nov 18 14:58 |
| scientes | > EFF respects those who bribe Tor | Nov 18 14:58 |
| scientes | nice quote | Nov 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | EFF stood up for Assange when Barlow was stilll in charge | Nov 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | after that things changed | Nov 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | so EFF was no longer even an ally of reporting that exposes imperialism | Nov 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | and war crimes | Nov 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | it's "not good" for attracting "sponsors" | Nov 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | better to be "diplomatic" and "soft" | Nov 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | like OSI | Nov 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | with blog posts welcoming everything Microsoft | Nov 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Even proprietary software | Nov 18 14:59 |
| scientes | my favorite Psalm is 26: "Do not sweep me away with sinners/Nor take my life away with violent men,/Whose hands engage in shameful conduct,/And whose right hand is full of bribes." | Nov 18 14:59 |
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| scientes | cybrNaut, I have been in this channel a long time, and also seen emotional stuff in the #talos-workstation channel, and the #1 thing I have to say is what Lawrence Lessig said: Code is Law. Focus on the code, not the people. The code is far more powerful. | Nov 18 15:01 |
| scientes | what he said was "Code is Law" | Nov 18 15:01 |
| schestowitz | figosdev quotes the same | Nov 18 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Code=conduct, practical conduct | Nov 18 15:02 |
| vZS1 | I'll keep nagging about this until the end of time. GPL is no longer effectively copyleft thanks to clown services. Old projects need to be relicensed under AGPL or orgs will run away with our foundational code. | Nov 18 15:02 |
| schestowitz | like who gets banned | Nov 18 15:02 |
| schestowitz | esp. if you automate it | Nov 18 15:02 |
| scientes | vZS1, you are not focusing on the code | Nov 18 15:03 |
| scientes | you are all in your head | Nov 18 15:03 |
| scientes | and you drive away people that can code | Nov 18 15:03 |
| schestowitz | they can still be agpl-compliance and make or run derivs that do bad things | Nov 18 15:03 |
| scientes | towards using BSD licenses | Nov 18 15:03 |
| schestowitz | like, you could let them rewrite webserver code to do more spying and then "Share back the changes" | Nov 18 15:04 |
| vZS1 | Yes. But then they are legally obligated to share modifications | Nov 18 15:04 |
| schestowitz | which one might say even weaponises more companies like them | Nov 18 15:04 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: yes, even malicious mods | Nov 18 15:04 |
| vZS1 | So you see the spyware out in the open | Nov 18 15:04 |
| schestowitz | and then? | Nov 18 15:04 |
| schestowitz | you cannot force them to run them sans the mods on their clowns | Nov 18 15:04 |
| vZS1 | They are forced to give back | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz | so on that particular front we can at best expose or copy | Nov 18 15:05 |
| vZS1 | That's the whole point | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz | but not forces them NOT to run some malicious coe derived off yours | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz | *code | Nov 18 15:05 |
| vZS1 | You can't stop that with copyleft | Nov 18 15:05 |
| scientes | vZS1, they are *obliged*, but that doesn't mean they do | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz | I got some notes on GPL violations | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz | for upcoming articld | Nov 18 15:06 |
| scientes | and if you don't do anything then *you* are the problem | Nov 18 15:06 |
| cybrNaut | scientes: by /Focus on the code/, i thought you where talking about moral code, not coding, but your reply to vZS1 makes it sound like you meant programming | Nov 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | [17:58] <schestowitz> > Iโm waiting for another email / message before doing so, as we have found a few GPL violations from Dolby, which seems to suggest some prior art. | Nov 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | [17:58] <schestowitz> > | Nov 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | [17:58] <schestowitz> > Many thanks for the followup. | Nov 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | [17:58] <schestowitz> If we have evidence of those violations, we can do a separate article about that. | Nov 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | The GPL violation angle might also be of interest. | Nov 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | If anyone out there can research this | Nov 18 15:06 |
| scientes | cybrNaut, I do mean programming | Nov 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | lurking/reading logs | Nov 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | it's hard to locate info on this | Nov 18 15:06 |
| vZS1 | Right now they're having a field day doing whatever they like with GPL code, hiding behind their clowns | Nov 18 15:07 |
| scientes | cybrNaut, but form matches function, so software can certainly effect behavior, which is also what Lessig says in the same breath with "Code is law" | Nov 18 15:07 |
| vZS1 | AGPL would force them to become exposed | Nov 18 15:07 |
| vZS1 | That's why to them it's anathema | Nov 18 15:07 |
| schestowitz | "Code is Conduct (Cic) :) | Nov 18 15:07 |
| scientes | vZS1, not really--the communication is already there, the problem is that the software doesn't show it | Nov 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz | and it might not deter their useds [sic] off them | Nov 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz | weaken off it | Nov 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz | as we already saw, facebook can be 'literally nazis', addicted useds would still be used | Nov 18 15:08 |
| scientes | Edward Snowden says this well | Nov 18 15:08 |
| vZS1 | They also can't boast about their "in-house" solutions | Nov 18 15:08 |
| vZS1 | When they're basically ripping off GPL code wholesale | Nov 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | "Solushens" | Nov 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | malware | Nov 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | "secret sauce" | Nov 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | "apps" | Nov 18 15:09 |
| scientes | schestowitz, slushions | Nov 18 15:09 |
| scientes | hahaha | Nov 18 15:09 |
| vZS1 | Anyway. Enough of my diatribe. I've got code that needs hacking. | Nov 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | "just get di uppp" | Nov 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | press "OK" to all | Nov 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | microphone also | Nov 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | we need to access your mic and phone book.. to serve you milkshake today | Nov 18 15:10 |
| scientes | vZS1, if you actually care about these issues you should write some code to show to other people what you see so they see the same as you | Nov 18 15:10 |
| MinceR | 18 155245 < cybrNaut> GAFAM is too short. MACFANG is better. (MS Amazon CloudFlare Facebook Apple Netflix Google) | Nov 18 15:12 |
| MinceR | still no intel | Nov 18 15:12 |
| XRevan86 | Intel's inside | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | I heard another one, with Twitter and Clownflare in it | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | figosdev says GIAFAM for IBM | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Oracle is never named | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | or Salesforce... both do software and always malicious | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Intel is h/w | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | mostly | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | more so than Apple | Nov 18 15:14 |
| scientes | schestowitz, GIAFAM reminds me of GNAA | Nov 18 15:14 |
| MinceR | ah yes, IBM was missing too | Nov 18 15:15 |
| schestowitz | scientes: open up | Nov 18 15:15 |
| schestowitz | open up the GAFAM | Nov 18 15:15 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: well, UEFI, IME and IBG are cancerous enough | Nov 18 15:15 |
| MinceR | (and TianoCore, but that's UEFI) | Nov 18 15:15 |
| schestowitz | IBM is shrinking, even before covid | Nov 18 15:15 |
| MinceR | ibm bought hedrat and they're trying to kill GNU | Nov 18 15:15 |
| scientes | all these organizations should join GNAA | Nov 18 15:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 18 15:16 |
| scientes | including FSF | Nov 18 15:16 |
| scientes | GNU is a project, not an organization | Nov 18 15:16 |
| XRevan86 | Is Oracle actually noteworthy? | Nov 18 15:16 |
| scientes | XRevan86, exactly, all they do is make accounting software | Nov 18 15:16 |
| schestowitz | SAP | Nov 18 15:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You mean databases? | Nov 18 15:17 |
| scientes | lots of oppurtunities for graft in accounting software, but little technical interest | Nov 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz | accounting also | Nov 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz | 'middleware' | Nov 18 15:17 |
| scientes | XRevan86, databases are a dime a dozen, what makes them money is very simple accounting software | Nov 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Oracle has many bribery scandals | Nov 18 15:17 |
| scientes | but it means they are between the business and the money | Nov 18 15:17 |
| XRevan86 | They also have Java, that's probably their biggest grip on IT. | Nov 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz | same for Microsofr and IBM | Nov 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz | it's easy t bribe in the public sector and get away with it | Nov 18 15:18 |
| scientes | and it is well known that whoever touches the money ends up with it | Nov 18 15:18 |
| oiaohm | scientes: accounting software turns out to be quite a hard thing with all the different tax code changes every year. | Nov 18 15:19 |
| scientes | oiaohm, the IRS had a easy solution to that: nationalize TurboTax | Nov 18 15:19 |
| scientes | https://www.irs.gov/filing/free-file-do-your-federal-taxes-for-free | Nov 18 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.irs.gov | Free File: Do Your Federal Taxes for Free | Internal Revenue Service | Nov 18 15:20 | |
| schestowitz | but intuit hides it | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz | to sell premium | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz | and propublica did many investigations | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz | and that yielded results | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz | graft | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz | IRS was supposed to punish Microsoft | Nov 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | follow the money | Nov 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | US government is likely more corrupt than ours | Nov 18 15:21 |
| scientes | schestowitz, at least your government decided that it wanted to taste sweet soverignity | Nov 18 15:21 |
| scientes | except they don't know what that means | Nov 18 15:21 |
| scientes | https://i.insider.com/5a3a5047ec1ade50b8276e1a?width=1200&format=jpeg&auto=webp | Nov 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | scientes: when did they evict Liz and her boys? | Nov 18 15:22 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: Java is about the second biggest grip in most places. The most common worse is Microsoft SQL database wackyness. | Nov 18 15:37 |
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| oiaohm | Mind you that is commonly linked. Someone made something in java on windows with the free version MS sql server and now it landed on you to fix up that it works on a Linux box. | Nov 18 15:38 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: At least that's more localised | Nov 18 15:55 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20082458 | Nov 18 16:53 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Java is okay. I'm glad that Sun freed OpenJDK or else Android would be in serious danger. | Nov 18 17:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Android Runtime is becoming a more and more important part of Chrome OS. | Nov 18 17:06 |
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| MinceR | android is in serious danger nevertheless | Nov 18 17:09 |
| MinceR | and so is everyone else who uses java successfully | Nov 18 17:09 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20082452 | Nov 18 17:10 |
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| vZS1 | Last time I checked, Android was shifting heavily toward Kotlin and Dart | Nov 18 18:07 |
| XRevan86 | Kotlin is JVM | Nov 18 18:09 |
| vZS1 | Ah | Nov 18 18:09 |
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| XRevan86 | It's seeing insane rates of adoption, yes. | Nov 18 18:09 |
| vZS1 | Tbf, a lot of stuff is built on JVM. Clojure, for example. | Nov 18 18:10 |
| scientes | yes, Java has two languages | Nov 18 18:10 |
| scientes | and success of JVM meant that GCC's native-compiled Java crumbled (also JDK/JVM finally opened up, despite that stupid Oracle v. Google suit) | Nov 18 18:11 |
| scientes | I meant one of the original JavaSoft employees in SF once (before the Sun acquisition) | Nov 18 18:11 |
| scientes | and he still has a sour taste about C | Nov 18 18:12 |
| scientes | *I met | Nov 18 18:13 |
| scientes | it was at a Docker hack-fest | Nov 18 18:14 |
| scientes | at Docker's headquarters in the financial district | Nov 18 18:14 |
| vZS1 | From what I've been seeing, Google are pushing Flutter and Dart really hard. | Nov 18 18:14 |
| scientes | vZS1, yes they are, and they are reporting huge up-tick in China (Go is also massive there) | Nov 18 18:15 |
| vZS1 | I don't know if Kotlin is losing out on attention. Haven't got a clue with Google. Never know what they're going to push or drop. | Nov 18 18:16 |
| scientes | I don't want to loss the experience of having a free compiler | Nov 18 18:16 |
| scientes | *loose | Nov 18 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | * loosen | Nov 18 18:16 |
| scientes | and I also am struggling to get into FPGAs, and the non-free toolchains built on LLVM are a big problem | Nov 18 18:16 |
| scientes | i.e. Richard Stallman was right | Nov 18 18:17 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/2008243 | Nov 18 18:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Element has been rewritten in Kotlin. | Nov 18 18:22 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Some Ohio idiots infected half of the 87 people at their wedding party and then said gee what were the chances. | Nov 18 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/18/ohio-wedding-covid-coronavirus/?outputType=amp | Nov 18 18:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Almost half of guests test positive for coronavirus after Ohio wedding - The Washington Post | Nov 18 18:24 | |
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| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: i don't think even one is going to die though | Nov 18 18:32 |
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| MinceR | they're immortal? | Nov 18 18:35 |
| MinceR | (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/N6HuJNc.mp4 | Nov 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | [18:35] <MinceR> they're immortal? | Nov 18 18:37 |
| schestowitz | In boats that had covid19 spreading dozens died | Nov 18 18:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: oddly enough it can play with Firefox on my side | Nov 18 18:39 |
| schestowitz | but not Rianne's | Nov 18 18:39 |
| schestowitz | both are the same OS | Nov 18 18:39 |
| MinceR | maybe one of them is missing some codecs or other libraries | Nov 18 18:40 |
| schestowitz | mpegs as 'pages' | Nov 18 18:41 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: they won't die of covid | Nov 18 18:41 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: over 250k people in uhmerica already died of COVID-19 | Nov 18 18:42 |
| CrystalMath | so? | Nov 18 18:44 |
| CrystalMath | many more died for other reasons | Nov 18 18:44 |
| CrystalMath | many were old and had to die anyway | Nov 18 18:45 |
| MinceR | everybody has to die | Nov 18 18:45 |
| CrystalMath | yeah but i mean | Nov 18 18:45 |
| CrystalMath | it was time | Nov 18 18:45 |
| MinceR | that doesn't change the cause of death | Nov 18 18:45 |
| CrystalMath | well i never said the virus was nothing | Nov 18 18:47 |
| CrystalMath | i just said the virus kills very very few | Nov 18 18:47 |
| CrystalMath | it's still something | Nov 18 18:47 |
| CrystalMath | and it can get those who would have died this year anyway | Nov 18 18:48 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/2008242 | Nov 18 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | [18:47] <CrystalMath> i just said the virus kills very very few | Nov 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | only 1.5 million | Nov 18 19:08 |
| CrystalMath | did you really expect less people to die this year? | Nov 18 19:08 |
| vZS1 | More than a lot of wars | Nov 18 19:08 |
| CrystalMath | you do realize 60 million die every year | Nov 18 19:09 |
| CrystalMath | that's more than a lot of wars too | Nov 18 19:09 |
| schestowitz | from causes that can be prevented at times | Nov 18 19:09 |
| schestowitz | like car accidents | Nov 18 19:09 |
| schestowitz | until you find vaccine against car accidents, I'll side with mortality experts | Nov 18 19:09 |
| CrystalMath | okay but why is 1.5 million more important than the other 58.5 million? | Nov 18 19:09 |
| schestowitz | the cause | Nov 18 19:09 |
| CrystalMath | so? | Nov 18 19:10 |
| schestowitz | and the potential of 150 million dead if everyone gets it | Nov 18 19:10 |
| CrystalMath | covid can be prevented | Nov 18 19:10 |
| CrystalMath | there's masks | Nov 18 19:10 |
| schestowitz | and hospitals cannot cater for people with things like cance | Nov 18 19:10 |
| schestowitz | *cancer | Nov 18 19:10 |
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| CrystalMath | it's all prevantable, except *something* gets you invariably | Nov 18 19:10 |
| schestowitz | waste of time | Nov 18 19:10 |
| schestowitz | bye | Nov 18 19:10 |
| CrystalMath | in other words, you can't defend your insane fear of covid-19 | Nov 18 19:11 |
| CrystalMath | it's completely irrational | Nov 18 19:11 |
| CrystalMath | except for the fact that humans are always afraid of the unknown | Nov 18 19:11 |
| CrystalMath | that's how i justify my own fear earlier this year | Nov 18 19:11 |
| vZS1 | I still fail to grasp how it's so hard to wear a mask, practice social distancing, and being a bit more careful with hygiene. | Nov 18 19:12 |
| CrystalMath | i thought this thing is gonna kill an additional 50 million | Nov 18 19:12 |
| CrystalMath | of course that didn't happen | Nov 18 19:12 |
| CrystalMath | it strikes me that people just have no idea how many people "normally" die all the time | Nov 18 19:12 |
| CrystalMath | 1.5 million is a normal week | Nov 18 19:12 |
| CrystalMath | yes, that many die every week | Nov 18 19:13 |
| CrystalMath | it may seem like a lot | Nov 18 19:13 |
| CrystalMath | but it's really not | Nov 18 19:13 |
| CrystalMath | because 2 million are born | Nov 18 19:13 |
| CrystalMath | we're so overpopulated that we've become but drops in a stream | Nov 18 19:13 |
| CrystalMath | you can't even pretend to care about human life when it shuffles around his quickly | Nov 18 19:14 |
| CrystalMath | *this | Nov 18 19:14 |
| CrystalMath | i wish it was slower, i wish we had less births and less deaths | Nov 18 19:14 |
| vZS1 | Christmas time will probably see a sharp rise in cases. Our lockdown will probably be lifted by then and everyone will hit the pubs | Nov 18 19:15 |
| vZS1 | Our = UK | Nov 18 19:15 |
| CrystalMath | it's no wonder that people have become some hateful | Nov 18 19:17 |
| CrystalMath | how can anyone's life have value when they get replaced 2 million fold every week | Nov 18 19:17 |
| CrystalMath | and no wonder everything's descending to fascism | Nov 18 19:17 |
| CrystalMath | the government can just kill those who disagree with them | Nov 18 19:18 |
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| CrystalMath | i mean even if they killed a thousand per day it would make NO dent | Nov 18 19:18 |
| CrystalMath | it's sad | Nov 18 19:18 |
| CrystalMath | it's horrible | Nov 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:11] <CrystalMath> in other words, you can't defend your insane fear of covid-19 | Nov 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | nope | Nov 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | I have the same policy for climate 'debates' | Nov 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | some things are repeatedly proving to be a waste of time | Nov 18 19:20 |
| CrystalMath | you can't defend that either | Nov 18 19:21 |
| CrystalMath | i say humans have no right to change the climate of the planet | Nov 18 19:21 |
| CrystalMath | and that goes both ways | Nov 18 19:21 |
| CrystalMath | no destroying it, but no fixing it either | Nov 18 19:21 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Bill Gates has a bunch of bandaid fixes for the climate too which wouldn't work. | Nov 18 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These ideas are the sort of stuff that maybe you can just nuke a hurricane. | Nov 18 20:50 |
| schestowitz | they're frauds | Nov 18 20:51 |
| schestowitz | then again, some people are wired since birth only to pursue money | Nov 18 20:51 |
| schestowitz | the PR angle is leveraged when public backlash threatens the revenue | Nov 18 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | >> This is an anti-pattern in systemd too-- they take no responsibility | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> for breaking anything and always pass the buck upstream. | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> "You broke XYZ" | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> "No we didn't, we followed their documentation to the letter. Their | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> own implementation is broken have upstream fix their stuff instead | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> #WONTFIX" | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> Ignoring of course that IT WORKED UNTIL THEY FUCKED WITH IT. So | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> they've taken something that works and moved the fix from where it's a | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> fix to upstream where it's someone else's bug report. Very neighbourly | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> of them. | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> > never have occurred. Rather than be angry at Lenovo, let's put | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> pressure on Intel to provide support for their hardware." | Nov 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> Don't bother Lenovo about Lenovo products, let's put pressure on | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> Intel, not vendors who dump shit on you. | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> If you buy a camping lantern and it blows up your garage, don't take | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> it up with the lantern manufacturers, put pressure on Big Oil to make | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> their fuels more stable. | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> There's a funny little valve in them made by GarbleFiddleCorp, you're | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> just ridiculous to bother the lantern people about this, don't you get | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> it? They don't actually make anything. They're really just a glorified | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> online payments system. | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> Both parties failed to support users. If Intel fails to support them | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> and then Lenovo fails, You can put more pressure on Intel and Lenovo, | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> and even put more pressure on Intel BY putting pressure on Lenovo, who | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> then will tell Intel "Hey, people hate our products with your shit in | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> them." | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> For some reason though, this concept doesn't appeal to everyone. | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> Lenovo did their best man, they don't make platform controller hubs, | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | >> leave them alone! | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > Looking at Python, there is a very similar anti-pattern going on, as | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > they break their own work. Interestingly, from the very beginning, Van | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > Rossum avoided logical and sematic specifications for the Python | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > Language, asking everyone to refer to the CPython implementation as | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > "the standard'. What this does is to guarantee that any other | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > implementation has a second-class status, and any difference is | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > essentially a "bug". And even worse, he has maintained a moving target | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > so any other implementation will always be deficient (or different) in | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > some way - and this is true even of his own previous releases (see | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > Python 2). Upon reflection, rather than a practical way to make rapid | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > progress, this can be seen as a diabolical scheme to maintain a power | Nov 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > relationship. No wonder he was called "Dictator". | Nov 18 21:47 |
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| kingoffrance | eh, not that i really ever got into python, but the opposite is just as bad; standard doc with no implementation == vapourware "a diabolical scheme to maintain a power relationship". i suspect the ideal is a mix, where docs reflect reality rather than a pipedream | Nov 18 22:11 |
| kingoffrance | i am using standard and "docs" interchangeably | Nov 18 22:12 |
| kingoffrance | but i dont think thats a stretch, same issue | Nov 18 22:12 |
| kingoffrance | likewise, "tests" enters into this. docs with no tests, what good would a standard do if theres no way to test an implementation conforms or not? | Nov 18 22:13 |
| kingoffrance | so id put "tests" as the bridge between these 2 things | Nov 18 22:14 |
| kingoffrance | of course, someone could argue java or something went too far in that direction too | Nov 18 22:15 |
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| kingoffrance | you can even draw a triangle code/tests/docs and then any point warped too far could be considered "bad" | Nov 18 22:20 |
| *kingoffrance patents triangle paradigm, rakes in billions as a consultant, vanishes just before it all collapses | Nov 18 22:23 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19476821 | Nov 18 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Organisations Are/nโt the Problem โข ๐๐ ด๐ ฒ๐ ท๐๐ ธ๐ ถ๐ ท๐๐ โ http://techrights.org/2020/11/18/orgs-dilemma/ โขโโข #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW #FSF | Nov 18 22:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Organisations Are/nโt the Problem | Techrights | Nov 18 22:45 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | RE: systemd taking no responsibility for anything. | Nov 18 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yet another reason to be on a long term support distribution where they carefully backport certain patches only. | Nov 18 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In addition to broken kernel series, Fedora will throw in random cherry picks from systemd that cause severe issues when they're really not worth the risk. | Nov 18 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unless it's a serious crasher, a sizable memory leak, or has security implications, leave it the hell alone. | Nov 18 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, systemd is so poorly designed that there are hundreds if not thousands of THOSE over an Ubuntu LTS lifespan that have to be dealt with. | Nov 18 22:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think it's one of those things that's here and maybe we try to make the best of the situation later. | Nov 18 23:29 |
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| vZS1 | Go is actually very good in the sense that it had a spec and a solid reference implementation | Nov 18 23:42 |
| vZS1 | s/had/has | Nov 18 23:42 |
| vZS1 | Raku also good, in that regard | Nov 18 23:43 |
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| vZS1 | Haskell also | Nov 18 23:45 |
| vZS1 | Rust has no spec and that's what really put me off taking the language seriously | Nov 18 23:45 |
| vZS1 | You can't keep up with a language that has no specification and is constantly changing. Only the language architects know what's going on, at that point. | Nov 18 23:47 |
| vZS1 | "Just do things like this. You don't need to understand how it is supposed to work." | Nov 18 23:52 |
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