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| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m3jare07 | Sep 28 05:55 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Sep 28 05:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | PIPed after favorable mid-year review | Sep 28 05:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I was put on a PIP last week. My mid-year review was pretty normal & overall positive. Then my manager suddenly hit me with the PIP last week. | Sep 28 05:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | It honestly feels like a numbers game at this point. | Sep 28 05:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | A lot of what's written in the PIP assessment is either flat-out untrue or very debatable. Has anyone here had experience pushing back on or challenging a PIP? Is it worth addressing the points I disagree with, or could that just make me look difficult & potentially speed up an RA?" | Sep 28 05:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I am close to retirement and my message is for those in a similar place. I would treat a pip, if you have a track record of good performance, as an attempt at wrongful dismissal, and since my plan is to engage a lawyer anyway to fight for a big severance, this would be the time to do that. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | As a side note for those in Ontario Canada, legal precedent is that those who have fought for severance after a long career at IBM have been able to get somewhere around 1 month per year of service up to a total of about 24 months. This is not something that any employer has to pay right away, but it has been the outcome if you are willing and able to fight IBM legally, which I expect anybody can do if you hire the lawyer on contin | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | gency. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 43 minutes ago by pip as pathway to severance | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | no reactions | Reply | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @bc+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +4 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I was put on a PIp 3 month ago. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Goal not achievable in the time as the parts not even made yet. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I shared with the people I work with that I am on a PIP. And not to share. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | If they have some feedback, give to me instead of in big meeting. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I worked on the project and if coworker asked me for other support, zi explained difficult unless they explain to my manager this to be higher priority. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I learned and achieved a lot. my manager did not want it to pass. he extended for another month and another month even though goals completed. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | coworkers wrote to 2nd line manager about the great stuff which made it hard for 1st line to fail me. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | eventually I passed as he had no choice. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | now he tells me often that next time no PIP. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | He really does not like me. best choice in my view is to do a good job and let people around you understand it. so if the manager wants to get rid of you it is hard. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | don't hide | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 3 hours ago by pip | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @at+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +4 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I’m in the same boat as you (and many others), but in the US. Historically rated “exceeds”, this year rated “meets” and now on a PIP. We committed no “wrongs” other than being European and American. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I can’t speak to the odds of beating a PIP, or the value in pushing back on the patently untrue parts, but I would suggest mentally re-framing it: Not “how can I mitigate this?” But “Do I even want to?” Seriously, an unjust PIP is IBM marking you for eventual termination. It is NOT a reflection on your actual performance or your value as a person, or even your value to IBM (many high performing employees have been PIP’d | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ). It’s someone higher up selecting your employee number off a spreadsheet. SO: Why stress trying to mount a logical defense to an illogical situation? Use the time to start looking around and planning your next step in your career. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 3 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @as+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +4 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | You can try to satisfy the PIP. But it is designed to overwhelm you with work you cannot do. It will push you to the brink mentally if you let it , if try to do everything that is required. Like the previous post mentioned , they will probably tell you you failed the PIP anyway at the end. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | When you are put on a pip, it basically is saying you are targeted for removal. They’re hoping that once you start working the PIP you will see it is impossible and quit. I have seen it happen many times when I was at Ibm. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I’ve also seen a few times when people have been taken off a pip . This usually occurs when the employee fights, the pip vigorously with HR and has evidence that the manager is lying within the PIP. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | So I would say the chances are slim if you’re on a PIP you will survive at IBM . | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Good luck. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 4 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @ar+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +3 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Congratulations!! your friend the manager has just told you to be-doverthe table and take your hands to spread your cheeks apart so he can take you pound town and make it gape. Remember he is your pal. So be sure to thank him for it. And wish the others next line to get it good luck! | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 4 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @aq+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +5 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | PIP is the moment when employees get to experience what 'at will' employment is. IBM can fire an employee at any time - no reason required. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | When hit with a PIP, there are two paths. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | One is to consider it as a moment of separation. You and IBM are now adversary in a zero sum game til the PIP period ends and in most cases, you are fired. Use this time to prioritize life and look for next job, which will, according to many who have left IBM, almost always pay you better and treat you better then IBM who, as a operating model, pays less then industry average. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Alternative is to try to satisfy the PIP requirements. I've seen many doing this and in all cases, they are fired anyway AFTER being mentally tortured and lose the time to look for another job. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | IBM is a sinking and becoming an Indian company. Arvind and the executives are disgrace to a storied American brand. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | You will likely look back at getting PIPed from IBM to be a fortunate moment in your career. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 5 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 5 reactions (+5/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @af+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +4 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Most likely your manager has been forced to PIP you to reach a target. Not sure in EMEA, but in NA this will end with you losing your job regardless of your performance | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 5 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @ae+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +4 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | The PIP is a strong "hint", you are no longer welcomed in the Indians tribe. Make room for some Indian. Train the Indian before you are out the door and on the street. | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 6 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @a9+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +1 | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | When is your PIP end date? | Sep 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m3j5bpp4 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | In Albany people have become down right cavalier speaking loudly and openly about wanting to leave or that they interviews lined up. I have seen say such things in front of a “big” folks very bravely and not giving a f anymore. | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I agree with @b1+1m3j5bpp4. People see what’s really going on and finally had enough of the office politics | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 3 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @b5+1m3j5bpp4 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +6 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | People see the plan . The utter disregard for employees. A strategy has been around for quite a long time. Layoff as many people as you need to so you can boost the stock price. Has very little to do with skill or technical ability or value to the company that you offer.. so when it comes down to his people, just don’t care. They know someday they will be on the list more than likely. And I don’t think the company really cares | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | either. The more people they can get to leave the building | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | On their own , the less they have to pay in severance. | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I would recommend everyone update their résumé and be looking if you work at that company. There is no security , there is no loyalty. There hasn’t been in over 30 years.. and it has gotten a lot worse in the last several years. You are a number on a spreadsheet. A cost center. | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | One thing to keep in mind, the more people that leave or get laid off, means there are less people to bail out the sinking ship. This will only accelerate the trip to the bottom of the ocean. | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 4 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 6 reactions (+6/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @b1+1m3j5bpp4 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +5 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I work in a location that has not seen a backfill in years, but has been subject of big and small layoffs, and mandatory PIP targets. If IBM is openly pushing you out, why not openly discussing your exit strategy? | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m3fa2e83#replies | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | They should go look at Huiming’s slacks. Especially around this time last year. I mean what’s it gonna hurt to just take a peak? | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 8 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 2 reactions (+2/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @f4+1m3fa2e83 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +1 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | @aw Pipe down, useless troll. | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 16 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 1 reaction (+1/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @dp+1m3fa2e83 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +2 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Slack messages are stored forever | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1 day ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 4 reactions (+3/-1) | Reply | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @b1+1m3fa2e83 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | -5 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | What is this ?, "dinobabies", "There’s many more. Just need to get subpoenaed" and "Whoops!", that shows a complete degradation of people who put these comments, they are probably Americans. We need more young and brilliant Indian people at IBM. | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | That does not depend on a country of origin, I know many Vietnamese people working at IBM for 40 years and they are very narrow minded people and short in their thoughts ( probably experience too ) not trying to put any energy for creating Slack messages. They are certainly should be out of IBM. | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1 day ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 7 reactions (+1/-6) | Reply | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @aw+1m3fa2e83 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +4 | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | @ap to anyone saying that someone over 40 has nothing left to offer … well, let’s see how you feel when YOU reach that age. Are you planning to quit working then? Do you realize your own parents still need to work in order to put you through college and help you survive until you’re financially independent? Which these days takes longer and longer! | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Sep 28 05:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | <IsambardPrince> Withdrew what application about me? | Sep 28 05:59 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | "Bill Gates Says A.I. Could Kill At Least A Billion People" | Sep 28 14:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | x https://www.tmz.com/2026/09/27/bill-gates-believes-artificial-intelligence-can-kill-one-billion-people/ | Sep 28 14:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | # bill sez | Sep 28 14:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tmz.com | Bill Gates Says A.I. Could Kill At Least A Billion People | Sep 28 14:57 | |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m3jare07#replies\ | Sep 28 16:36 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | "not sure they need H1Bs anymore. They have critical mass of jobs in India already; they just send most of those jobs to India directly. The US is cooked. | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | With a pro American administration like this who needs treason? | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 54 minutes ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 3 reactions (+2/-1) | Reply | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @db+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +7 | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | How to create 1 million American jobs? | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Deport 1 million H1Bs / L1s with fake degrees back to India | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 2 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 7 reactions (+7/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @d2+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +2 | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Save all your documents from last reviews and secretly record all conversations with manager pertaining to this topic and get it to a lawyer asap. There are already been several lawsuits “won” in Canada over this. Take the ba----d down! And get your money. Everyone in your shoes really should doing this until IBM reforms their ways on this matter. They have decided to we-ponize PIP system and use it wats it was never intended f | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | or and their should be consequences for doing that. | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 3 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 2 reactions (+2/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @cw+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +2 | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | @c5 Make sure to fight hard, anything you leave on the table goes to the slimy Indian | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 3 hours ago by Anonymous | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 2 reactions (+2/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @ct+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +1 | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Thanks for your suggestions. From Markham, Ontario, I am looking for lawyer to negotiate severance, do you have any lawyer to recommend? | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 7 hours ago by Severance | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 1 reaction (+1/-0) | Reply | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @c5+1m3jare07 | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +1 | Sep 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | @bc Thanks for your suggestion. I am looking for a lawyer, do you have any recommendation? | Sep 28 16:36 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | "“Why do you hate Rust, Lunduke?” | Sep 28 22:07 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I get this question a lot. | Sep 28 22:07 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | The short answer is: I don’t hate Rust. It’s just a programming language with good and bad (like any other). | Sep 28 22:07 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | In fact, you’ll rarely find me criticizing the Rust language, itself. The primary issues I raise tend to focus on the way Rust is *used*. | Sep 28 22:07 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1) Rust (both the language and the compiler) are not yet stable. Meaning they are both in a state of flux (sometimes changing in significant ways from week to week) and, as such, are not reliable, steady foundations to build critical systems upon. This may change if the Rust Foundation focuses on releasing a truly stable version of Rust… but that hasn’t happened yet. | Sep 28 22:07 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 2) There has been a strong movement to utilize Rust as a tool to enforce political and social views. In some ways Rust zealots (including some high-profile open-source developers and managers) treat Rust more like a religious cult than a programming language. This has resulted in forcing Rust “clones” of existing tools into releases where that simply does not make sense from an engineering or end-user perspective. | Sep 28 22:07 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I have other criticisms of Rust (such as that it is a rather ugly language), but those are mostly personal preference things. | Sep 28 22:07 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | The real, critical issues are those two above… how Rust is being used." | Sep 28 22:07 |
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