(ℹ) Join us now at the IRC channel | ䷉ Find the plain text version at this address (HTTP) or in Gemini (how to use Gemini) with a full GemText version.
| *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 00:07 | |
| *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 00:07 | |
| *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 00:20 | |
| *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@kmujm4s8xqrtu.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 00:30 | |
| *psydroid4 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 01:13 | |
| *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 01:27 | |
| *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 01:35 | |
| *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 01:35 | |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 01:41 | |
| *leah has quit (connection closed) | Dec 31 02:08 | |
| *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 02:08 | |
| *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 02:45 | |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 02:55 | |
| *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 03:17 | |
| *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 03:18 | |
| *leah has quit (connection closed) | Dec 31 03:31 | |
| *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 03:31 | |
| *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 03:32 | |
| *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 04:01 | |
| *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 04:15 | |
| *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 04:16 | |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 04:17 | |
| *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Dec 31 04:20 | |
| *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 04:21 | |
| *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 04:25 | |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Dec 31 05:14 | |
| *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@w2d762cxmwcdi.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 06:10 | |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 07:00 | |
| *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Dec 31 07:37 | |
| *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 07:44 | |
| *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) | Dec 31 07:51 | |
| *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) | Dec 31 08:19 | |
| *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@ye68sz7bujpma.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 09:48 | |
| *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Dec 31 12:29 | |
| *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 13:30 | |
| *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: brb) | Dec 31 13:42 | |
| *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@gvqcm9zsc4knq.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 13:44 | |
| *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 15:38 | |
| *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 15:38 | |
| schestowitz__[TR] | DaemonFC: | Dec 31 16:16 |
|---|---|---|
| schestowitz__[TR] | Stefano Maffulli wrote on 30/12/2021 17:26: | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > (condensing in one thread) | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > I think you're misinterpreting Josh's words. Plus i believe he is referring to 2020. | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Yes, he is. | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > Josh says that *clearlydefined* has a budget of roughly $250k. That's what Josh means when he says "earmarked". That money is not for OSI to use. They're a separate team making their own decisions. OSI acts as a fiscal sponsor for CD. | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | I'm not misinterpreting this; I listened again and I know what he meant. | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > Fundraising for OSI in 2021 gave better results than in 2020. I encourage you to draw your own conclusions about the diversity of funding sources looking at the list of sponsors and the amounts they contribute on opensource.org. | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Last I checked (IRS is always behind), 95% of the money comes from corporations. Simon did not even bother refuting this, he just got all upset about me pointing that out. | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | --------- | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Correction: I've just checked the latest available IRS filing. | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | 96%of the budget comes from corporation. So it has in fact gotten worse since I last checked. | Dec 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Also, I am sincerely unsure about whether the Microsoft/GH/CD-OSI arrangement is in compliance with IRS regulations, but I'd have to ask an American accountant. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | --------- | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Remember that historically I SUPPORTED OSI. You lost many >COMMUNITY< supporters. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Sometimes I think you wilfully forgot that C word: COMMUNITY. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > I am open to honest debate and conversations, not interested in becoming a punching bag. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | I welcomed you when you came to OSI. I even got flak for that. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | You did come from the COMMUNITY. I hope you can repair the OSI, but I dread its current trajectory. The less relevant the OSI becomes, the less the corporations will need to "support" it. And this is how popular movements get 'defused'. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | I should note that the OSI's 2 co-founders are either banned or left in protest. That alone tells a great deal. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > All we've done yesterday was publishing an update from an open source project supported by OSI and you jumped from there to concluding that Microsoft owns OSI and me? | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | No, I reached the conclusion that Microsoft plays a corrosive role in OSI a very long time ago. I was hoping you'd change course. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Let's not inflate accusations against me, either. Straw man arguments are unhelpful. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > I'm hoping that clarifying the nature of collaboration between OSI and CD gives you better insights and helps you at least to suspend judgement. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | GitHub is the #1 threat at the moment (I explained the reasons many times before). You folks took money from Microsoft through two palms and then reciprocated disproportionately. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > 1) OSI doesn't "censor": Twitter suspended you. They're notoriously not fair in how they handle judgements. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Twitter suspended me because some person or people filed complained about my tweets about OSI, conveniently framing that as "COVID". Twitter took the wrong action and says it may take "DAYS" to process my appeal. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > 2) i believe you attribute to OSI the wrong mission. The mission of OSI is not the abolition of proprietary software. That's the role of the FSF. OSI mission is to be the steward of the open source definition. OSI *doesn't promote* proprietary software agenda and it's always been pragmatic about it. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | There are many untrue things in the above statement, but I shall leave it aside. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > I have office hours on Fridays to talk with community members. I encourage you to book time so we canb chat more in depth about these topics and the future plans for OSI. Go to Https://cal.com/smaffulli to find time that suits you | Dec 31 16:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-cal.com | Stefano Maffulli | Cal.com | Dec 31 16:17 | |
| schestowitz__[TR] | I prefer written communication if that's OK. Also, I'm not an enemy, mind you, I just see happening right now what happened in LF and OSDL. I am hardly shocked that Patrick jumped ship. It was getting pretty rough around that time... | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > /Stef | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > Ps I'm glad that your Twitter account wasn't suspended for long: i see a lot of tweets coming from your account, I'm glad that issue was resolved. I asked about mastodon because I'm sure you know that distributed networks are a lot more resistant to arbitrary decisions by the puppet masters. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | No, Twitter left me suspended. I'm unable to post anything for 6 more days. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | I use an instance of Diaspora, the Fediverse has its own share of issues that I wrote about over the years. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | I am interested in further dialogue. You and I have far more in common (than opposition) and I think you underestimate the forces of entryism in any such institution -- included the OSI -- which helps bypass direct negotiation with actual communities. OSI became like a "yellow union" some years ago. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | To Simon's credit, he did have a good grasp of such threats; he kicked out Black Duck -- mostly a Microsoft proxy (I've been tracking their actions since 2007) -- but somehow Microsoft slipped through the filter. I don't believe it was his decision alone. | Dec 31 16:17 |
| *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) | Dec 31 16:32 | |
| *Techrights-sec (~quassel@joseon-6aqtqe.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 16:34 | |
| schestowitz__[TR] | draft: | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | (not published) | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | In raising these points I've noticed how much the lines are drawn between, as it were, The Judean People's Front and The Peoples' Front of Judea (splitters). There are divisive issues in tech-rights that keep us fighting amongst ourselves, spiralling down a technological race to the bottom, while Microsoft and Google laugh all the way to the bank. There is room for more unity and communication within the tech-rights field and far more | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | coordination against Big-Tech. A stronger, common vocabulary can help us. | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Fake it till you make it | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Being a Vegan "impostor" myself I've also developed a sharp nose for "Fake Digital Vegans" - those who say "Oh yes, how awful and ghastly it all is", while messaging on Facebook. They care deeply about everything, so long as changing would not inconvenience them. Note also those fundamentally conflicted pragmatists, (part-time) warriors "changing the system from the inside". I decline joining their "Overthrow The System" Facebook group. | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | I've also noticed a slew of click-bait stories in the popular press that tease us with "I quit my smartphone for a month and you'll never believe what happened to me next!". Actually I can guess… you got paid a big bag of money for lying about it. Celebrities making grand public theatre of their few weeks without Alexa (the horror) actually subtract from responsible, moderate use. Only this week another latecomer joined the party. Comedian | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | David Baddiel made his own apologies for correctly naming everything wrong with social media, including his own daughter's distress, before admitting his hopeless addiction and crawling back to it. | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | I've come to think that fetishism of "tech-fasting" only cements addict-like behaviour. It's flip-side is Cyber Monday bingeing on IoT junk to "reward yourself". Do or do not, there is no try. Like Baddiel's, these accounts are generally pessimistic in their conclusion that it's "impossible" to stand up against Big-Tech. They are coded messages from the establishment saying, "Don't be so silly, nobody can really live without a smartphone". I | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | occasionally encounter a predictable "backlash against the backlash", sometimes mocking individual efforts to live healthier technological lives as romantic folly or even "white-male privilege". | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > Evening Roy, | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > Part 7 ready to go. A bit of a shorter one. | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | Excellent, yes... I opened mail as I had refreshed the page and saw the change. I otherwise check mail no more than once a day ;-) a notifications veganism. Reducing disruption to the mind and workflow ;-) | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > By all means add a link to the final stanza that meshes with | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > your struggle with Twitter etc. | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | I'm going through the text now, will see if that fits in and where. | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | There's a 72-min video about OSI being uploaded right now. | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > Maybe take a break tomorrow and then go for part 8 as a new-year grand | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | > finale ? | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz__[TR] | I rarely take breaks unless I travel, which happens less when COVID-19 is so clearly out of control. Later we make special dinner, will take some photos too ;-) | Dec 31 18:14 |
| *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@j6criuu9nfkz8.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 19:13 | |
| *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 19:28 | |
| *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 19:28 | |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 20:09 | |
| *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@shwev7b3mxcr6.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 20:11 | |
| *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@6pxtd49npuduw.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 20:21 | |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Dec 31 20:54 | |
| *schestowitz-TR is now known as schestowitz-TR2 | Dec 31 21:14 | |
| *schestowitz-TR2 is now known as schestowitz-TR | Dec 31 21:15 | |
| *schestowitz-TR is now known as schestowitz-TR2 | Dec 31 21:15 | |
| *schestowitz-TR2 is now known as acer-box | Dec 31 21:15 | |
| *acer-box is now known as schestowitz-TR2 | Dec 31 21:15 | |
| *schestowitz-TR2 is now known as acer-box__ | Dec 31 21:15 | |
| *acer-box__ is now known as schestowitz-TR2 | Dec 31 21:15 | |
| *schestowitz-TR2 is now known as acer-box__ | Dec 31 21:15 | |
| *acer-box__ is now known as schestowitz-TR2 | Dec 31 21:15 | |
| *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Dec 31 21:17 | |
| *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 21:17 | |
| *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Quit: Konversation term) | Dec 31 21:18 | |
| *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Quit: Konversation term) | Dec 31 21:18 | |
| *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 21:22 | |
| *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 21:22 | |
| *leah has quit (connection closed) | Dec 31 21:36 | |
| *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes | Dec 31 21:36 | |
| *u-amarsh04 has quit (connection closed) | Dec 31 21:49 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 | ䷉ find the plain text version at this address (HTTP) or in Gemini (how to use Gemini) with a full GemText version.