IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, March 02, 2021

mjg59

DaemonFC[m]: They made that assertion

schestowitz__

(while they 'last')

schestowitz__

the insurance companies try to punish smart people who reject the spying

schestowitz__

Elon Deere

schestowitz__

"it's not your car"

https://twitter.com/camusards/status/1366448352494239751

schestowitz__

"pay me, pedo guy!"

Mar 02 00:01

schestowitz__

help crowdfund elon's next toupee

Mar 02 00:01

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@camusards: Une bonne ressource pour commencer vos investigations https://t.co/U7yGR3rQii https://t.co/hZsHEqfy1m

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights

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mjg59

Anyway, still waiting for you to justify why licenses that allow you to lock up people's data are free and ones that prevent that are proprietary

https://9to5mac.com/2021/03/01/brazil-iphone-se-enterprise/amp/

techrights-bot

#australia #police outsourced to #fascist nation that murders 1000+ per year in "police officer-involved shootings" https://www.itwire.com/enterprise-solutions/nsw-police-signs-deal-with-us-based-firm-to-modernise-technology.html

Mar 02 00:04

DaemonFC[m]

Doesn't the GPLv3 prevent that in several ways and that's why Apple won't touch it?

Mar 02 00:04

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - NSW police signs deal with US-based firm to modernise technology

Mar 02 00:05

DaemonFC[m]

Mar 02 00:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brazilian public prosecutors don't want an iPhone SE to work - 9to5Mac

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Mar 02 00:09

DaemonFC[m]

Brazil's highest paid public officials are "humiliated" to "only" get a free iPhone SE from the government.

Mar 02 00:10

MinceR

lol

Mar 02 00:10

DaemonFC[m]

The other option was a SIM card and they can pay for whatever they want and put that in.

Mar 02 00:11

MinceR

it must be humiliating that they only get a minor symbol of belonging to the cult (which is pretty much useless for any other purpose) from the taxpayers' money

Mar 02 00:11

MinceR

entitled cultist assholes

Mar 02 00:11

DaemonFC[m]

Meanwhile, they get paid more than the government pays doctors while the public is experiencing hyperinflation, unemployment, and being bowled over by COVID.

DaemonFC[m]

With an unlimited supply of a worthless drug to treat it with.

mjg59

DaemonFC[m]: No, the GPL requires the user be able to have keys that allow them to replace the binary

mjg59

That doesn't guarantee access to the data

mjg59

But yes, arguably the CAL is a logical extension of GPLv3 in this respect

Mar 02 00:13

schestowitz__

[00:10] <DaemonFC[m]> Brazil's highest paid public officials are "humiliated" to "only" get a free iPhone SE from the government.

schestowitz__

judges ought not carry such spying machines

schestowitz__

it can be used to blackmail them

DaemonFC[m]

That's probably why they get them.

schestowitz__

http://techrights.org/2011/08/28/cablegate-reveals-us-pressure-for-eu-patent-unitary-patent-alongside-acta-more-pro-patents-lobbyists-observed/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cablegate Reveals US Pressure for EU Patent (Unitary Patent) Alongside ACTA, More Pro-Patents Lobbyists Observed | Techrights

DaemonFC[m]

They want the most expensive model and say the SE is something you'd hand a child.

and http://techrights.org/2011/08/28/cablegate-reveals-us-pressure-for-eu-patent-unitary-patent-alongside-acta-more-pro-patents-lobbyists-observed/

schestowitz__

MinceR

if you hated that child, sure

DaemonFC[m]

I'm sure that the average worker there who would have to labor for a month to buy one is thrilled to read this.

Mar 02 00:16

techrights-bot

You Don’t Need To Ask • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148309 •●• #GNU #Linux doing OK, but #ubuntu lost its inertia and #canonical stuff looks for excuses

Mar 02 00:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You Don't Need To Ask | Tux Machines

Mar 02 00:16

schestowitz__

MinceR: or if you want to spy on the kid

schestowitz__

or to enable others to spy on the kid

schestowitz__

in a saner society you'd have to be a certain age, maybe 15, to 'own' one

schestowitz__

like driving a car

schestowitz__

because of responsible choice and all

schestowitz__

same age for FB

schestowitz__

young people humiliate themselves as kids there

schestowitz__

and talk crap in plain text

schestowitz__

FB can leverage this for espionage and spills

MinceR

enabling others to spy on the kid is a given

schestowitz__

and their government probably does already

MinceR

since you can't secure the device from the cupertino mafia

MinceR

or anyone who breaks into the infrastructure of the cupertino mafia

schestowitz__

Apple loves privacy :"-)

MinceR

schestowitz__

the cupertino mafia entered the infra of the cupertino mafia

schestowitz__

as if the cupertino mafia is OK and trusted

schestowitz__

and those who break in are not

schestowitz__

the same old BS

schestowitz__

OPM and others are the same

schestowitz__

the US government already collected tons on info on you

schestowitz__

but it's only dangerous if "CHINA" gets it

schestowitz__

rejoice peasants! OUR oligarchs steal your money!

schestowitz__

At least they're not RUSSIAN!

schestowitz__

We WIN when our plunderers have the same flag as ours

schestowitz__

"job creators" or something

techrights-bot

Data collection, Inc. An #espionage tool incorporated as a for-profit (sometimes!) firm, propped up by military budget. #facebook #google #microsoft

Mar 02 00:24

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Mar 02 00:26

techrights-bot

I think many of the #techrights #gemini tools and software are now considered stable and reliable. Will be released soon as AGPLv3. Not sure yet whether to set up a WebUI/GUI for access or just plain git with open port.

Mar 02 00:29

vmg3

oh damn :) another investigation coming https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/gab-the-far-right-website-has-been-hacked-and-70gb-of-data-leaked/

Mar 02 00:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Donald Trump is one of 15,000 Gab users whose account just got hacked | Ars Technica

Mar 02 00:31

MinceR

did he use "maga2020!" as a password there too?

Mar 02 00:31

vmg3

wouldn't surprise me

MinceR

(the alleged "genius" that he is...)

techrights-bot

Sites are being converted to #gemini whether they like it or not. gemini://simplynews.metalune.xyz (via https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005824.html ). I've just checked it out, the conversion is of decent quality. We coded our own, too.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | SimplyNews on gemini

MinceR

Mar 02 00:33

vmg3

the comments are always the best

Mar 02 00:35

DaemonFC[m]

<MinceR "did he use "maga2020!" as a pass"> They just copied his tweets. It wasn't actually him.

Mar 02 00:40

DaemonFC[m]

Pfizer CEOs COVID every year must be a dream come true.

Mar 02 00:42

DaemonFC[m]

And the antivaxxers will make sure we never smother it out.

Mar 02 00:42

MinceR

neofascists too

Mar 02 00:44

MinceR

with the whole "testing can't stop the virus" "contact tracing can't stop the virus" idiocy

Mar 02 00:44

MinceR

"we don't want to buy the Moderna vaccine, it costs too much" "let's buy some untested shit from russia and red china and force people to take it"

Mar 02 00:45

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Mar 02 00:46

DaemonFC[m]

Exactly. And he pays more because Hungary doesn't have the population of a midsized US state and thus no bulk buying power.

XRevan86

I guessed wrong, postmarketOS went for 21.03, not for 21.01, for Alpine Linux 3.13.

XRevan86

They branched that finally.

DaemonFC[m]

The Philippines apparently approved Pfizer but who knows.if they can afford it. Mandy is lucky he lives here.

DaemonFC[m]

If you're in the Philippines, probably just government swine and rich people can get vaccines.

Mar 02 00:48

DaemonFC[m]

Everyone else just gets what they get.

Mar 02 00:48

DaemonFC[m]

I went to the dental school to get an exam for a cleaning next week and most of the students there asked me how I felt after the first dose. Said they heard all sorts of crazy things like sterility.

Mar 02 00:50

DaemonFC[m]

I said that seemed like an unlikely effect.

Mar 02 00:50

DaemonFC[m]

But since I don't plan on having kids anyway, I'd take the vaccine if it protects from COVID even if it did.

Mar 02 00:52

DaemonFC[m]

Most men are not so lucky as to become sterile and not smart enough to do it to themselves.

Mar 02 00:52

DaemonFC[m]

Without kids, it's at least theoretically possible that the divorce judge lets you keep something of yours.

Mar 02 00:53

schestowitz__

can we talk tech again?

Mar 02 00:54

DaemonFC[m]

Sorry, I just get the lay of the land on what people think.

Mar 02 00:54

DaemonFC[m]

It seems to me that more than half the people I talk to are deeply skeptical of this.

schestowitz__

it's too early

schestowitz__

and very sleazy firm

schestowitz__

anyway, back to tech

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schestowitz__

I just realised we did not back up the DBs for weeks!!!

schestowitz__

After we uninstalled mariadb

DaemonFC[m]

Naughty

schestowitz__

without taking into account this machine does need it for mysqldump

schestowitz__

anyway, no harm done because the main DBs were OK all along

schestowitz__

but still risky

DaemonFC[m]

Did you see that zdnet article bashing SSDs because Apple's have the write of death issue?

schestowitz__

zdnet?

schestowitz__

not interested

schestowitz__

life is too short for spam

DaemonFC[m]

I have one that's 8 years old and one that's 5 years old.

DaemonFC[m]

Not even any bad cells in either of those.

schestowitz__

my main laptop is ssd

DaemonFC[m]

I think the technology is sound.

schestowitz__

so far it's fast at write/read

schestowitz__

which is kind of fun

schestowitz__

full drive backup in 30 mins

DaemonFC[m]

Apple makes a shitty computer. ZDnet be all like SSD bad. SSD baaaad!!!

DaemonFC[m]

They have a history of weird bugs and trying to save a nickel and leaving their customers cleaning up the mess.

Mar 02 00:58

DaemonFC[m]

I've had lots of hard drives develop bad sectors or crash and no SSD errors yet.

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schestowitz__

schestowitz__

backups all back in order

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Mar 02 01:06

vmg3

That SimplyNews is quite impressive, I think some lawyers may be less impressed.

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Mar 02 01:19

vmg3

cool won't be long for heart rate I suspect https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/1/22307373/gatorade-sweat-patch-test-hydration-app

Mar 02 01:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Gatorade’s new Gx Sweat Patch tests your sweat for smarter hydration - The Verge

Mar 02 01:24

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vmg3

I think something wearable rather than stick on would be a better option

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https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/2021/02/25/illinois-residents-flock-state-fairgrounds-springfield-covid-vaccine/6801470002/

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Mar 02 02:32

DaemonFC[m]

Mar 02 02:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sj-r.com | Illinois residents flock to State Fairgrounds for COVID vaccine

Mar 02 02:33

DaemonFC[m]

Not just me.

Mar 02 02:33

techrights-ipfs

Mar 02 02:37

vmg3

biotech

Mar 02 02:37

DaemonFC[m]

I made the ladies at the dental clinic laugh.

Mar 02 02:40

DaemonFC[m]

They asked how it worked. I said "lipids and messenger RNA in a nanoparticle solution".

vmg3

I'm scared to ask

DaemonFC[m]

One of them said, "Nanoparticle solution?".

DaemonFC[m]

I said, "Yeah, I'm sort of hoping it overwrites my DNA and turns it into machine phase matter so I can be a T-3000 terminator.".

vmg3

yeah :)

Mar 02 02:42

DaemonFC[m]

Aside from the movie mistakes, Genisys wasn't the worst of the series.

Mar 02 02:42

DaemonFC[m]

Salvation wasn't bad either.

Mar 02 02:42

DaemonFC[m]

T3 and Dark Fate shouldn't have been made.

DaemonFC[m]

But Salvation or Genisys could have been suitable for reboots.

vmg3

still better than a lot of the movie that have been coming out since covid

vmg3

there have been some shockers

DaemonFC[m]

I suppose Salvation was technically part of the same timeline as 3 though.

DaemonFC[m]

Skynet was still using an upgraded T-1.

Mar 02 02:44

vmg3

even the series wasn't to bad

Mar 02 02:44

DaemonFC[m]

There's a new series coming to Netflix.

Mar 02 02:44

vmg3

something to keep an eye out for

Mar 02 02:45

DaemonFC[m]

Salvation was a bit of a mess.

Mar 02 02:45

DaemonFC[m]

The T-H had the advantage over the T-800 in the fact that it was based on an actual human.

Mar 02 02:46

vmg3

not memorable

Mar 02 02:46

DaemonFC[m]

It just had an upgraded endoskeleton, enhanced internal organs, and a chip that planted directives in the subconscious mind.

Mar 02 02:46

vmg3

there's a few fan things on Youtube too

vmg3

harder to watch

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, the T-X turned out to be the worst.

MinceR

02 034345 < vmg3> there have been some shockers

MinceR

two in the pink, one in the stink?

Money talks https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/28/politics/jamal-khashoggi-intelligence-report-three-names-removed/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fedition_asia+%28RSS%3A+CNNi+-+Asia%29

vmg3

flip that

Mar 02 02:48

DaemonFC[m]

Oh god....John used to say that.

Mar 02 02:48

MinceR

Mar 02 02:48

vmg3

resident alien is not to bad

Mar 02 02:50

vmg3

for a laugh

Mar 02 02:52

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New bulletin just generated and added to IPFS with CID:

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Mar 02 03:01

vmg3

Mar 02 03:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jamal Khashoggi: Three names removed from intelligence report after initial publication - CNNPolitics

Mar 02 03:07

vmg3

Talking about farmers would be a more effective hit https://www.asianage.com/india/all-india/010321/chinese-hackers-targeted-indias-power-through-malware-amid-border-tension-report.html

Mar 02 03:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.asianage.com | Chinese hackers targeted India's power through malware amid border tension: Report

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vmg3

Hypocrites gemini://simplynews.metalune.xyz/makeuseof.com/tiktok-settles-privacy-lawsuit

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schestowitz__

vmg3: INDEED

schestowitz__

[03:07] <vmg3> Money talks https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/28/politics/jamal-khashoggi-intelligence-report-three-names-removed/index.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jamal Khashoggi: Three names removed from intelligence report after initial publication - CNNPolitics

schestowitz__

it hurts terrorists when they're named

schestowitz__

we need to be considerate of their feeling

vmg3

nothings sacred.

schestowitz__

[01:15] <vmg3> That SimplyNews is quite impressive, I think some lawyers may be less impressed.

Mar 02 06:48

schestowitz__

Link tax?

Mar 02 06:48

schestowitz__

Maybe aus will try to charge the operator

Mar 02 06:48

vmg3

i thinking of political confusion re piratebay just supplying links

Mar 02 06:49

vmg3

and advertisers may become peeved

schestowitz__

let them

schestowitz__

anyway, we just convert our own articles

schestowitz__

and Daily Links posts are Fair Use

vmg3

they have done a great job with it

schestowitz__

there are several scrapers in gemini that simplify major news sites

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vmg3

even for personal use

schestowitz__

like scihub they can claim moral imperative

schestowitz__

because of the spying

schestowitz__

but scihub has a more potent legal case

vmg3

yeah thats another silly case

schestowitz__

like few publishers pillaging off the work of scholars while denying them access to it

vmg3

there should be some common good clause in the law

schestowitz__

for scraping news site into gemtext it's harder to come up with a moral reason

vmg3

that ip case you posted yesterday with the colour on the trucks had me shaking my head too

schestowitz__

i guess they do not archive, but still...

schestowitz__

they know who operates those capsules, it is not a secret

vmg3

yeah even they said is should be on the down low

https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005824.html

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | SimplyNews on gemini

schestowitz__

vmg3

i would say for research purposes

schestowitz__

I'd like to announce that SimplyNews is now available on gemini:

schestowitz__

gemini://simplynews.metalune.xyz

schestowitz__

just open it and see, we offer a small range of mirrored news sites, you

schestowitz__

can also open existing articles by appending it with

schestowitz__

gemini://simplynews.metalune.xyz/ i.e. if you want to look at

schestowitz__

https://dt.gl/some/random/article you would do

schestowitz__

gemini://simplynews.metalune.xyz/dt.gl/some/andom/article.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://dt.gl/some/random/article/ )

schestowitz__

I would also appreciate it if it wouldn't get *too* popular as it's a

schestowitz__

little "iffy" legally speaking (at least here in germany)

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

notice last two sentences

vmg3

yes

vmg3

a demonstration

vmg3

to show ability

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

not for news

schestowitz__

in scihub they can say "research"

schestowitz__

like access to medical info

schestowitz__

to save lives

schestowitz__

in this case they scrape the whole article or hundreds of them

schestowitz__

without even touching the originals' servers

vmg3

I'm now legal expert

schestowitz__

they could contact to demand a licence

schestowitz__

AP has very expensive licences

schestowitz__

now or not, vmg3?

vmg3

s/no/now

schestowitz__

but surely the person knows the risk of getting a letter from site operators of licensors

vmg3

there would only be 2 sites I would be concerned about

vmg3

no database

Mar 02 06:57

schestowitz__

you could, btw, make a db-driven gemni capsule

schestowitz__

taking requests, then processing them or serving them based on the requests

schestowitz__

though i guess almost all such sites are static

vmg3

then collect evidence

vmg3

no thanks

vmg3

you could use FB and Twitter as a defence maybe

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schestowitz__

not really

schestowitz__

for several reasons

schestowitz__

inc. no "fulltext"

schestowitz__

not sure if FB enforces it

schestowitz__

in Twitter the text length limits are a thing

schestowitz__

I'm not "on FB", so I don't know how often people copy across full article text

Mar 02 07:01

schestowitz__

and whether FB takes those down

Mar 02 07:01

vmg3

I think the moderators and lawyers will be kept busy there anyway. but they seem to like creating work for themselves

Mar 02 07:01

vmg3

what if you made a twitterbot to scrape the gemini capsule and post?

Mar 02 07:02

vmg3

get them chasing the tail

Mar 02 07:03

vmg3

plagiarism is rife

Mar 02 07:03

vmg3

post a jpg

Mar 02 07:04

vmg3

evil

Mar 02 07:04

schestowitz__

needs to go back to Finland: https://www.gadgetsnow.com/tech-news/6-days-without-electricity-what-the-inventor-of-microsoft-windows-rival-linux-did/articleshow/81285740.cms

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gadgetsnow.com | 6 days without electricity: What the inventor of Microsoft Windows-rival Linux did - Latest News | Gadgets Now

schestowitz__

us infra rotting

schestowitz__

even in portland area

schestowitz__

not just texas

Mar 02 07:06

vmg3

I was thinking about this too. I like to think I'm well prepared for emergency but 6 days without power would be nasty

Mar 02 07:06

schestowitz__

In the age of remote work I can imagine him saying the same to his wife during the outage

schestowitz__

she too is a Finn

schestowitz__

time to go back

schestowitz__

US circling down the drain

schestowitz__

and he can do the same work from Helsinki

vmg3

yeah the drums are beating

schestowitz__

then I thought

schestowitz__

can you get enough battery life left to print out code?

schestowitz__

And then annotate the printout?

schestowitz__

you cannot get a generator

vmg3

a small tablet

schestowitz__

not enugh time

schestowitz__

and demand for them would be too high

vmg3

and a battery

vmg3

routers would be out

schestowitz__

so you'd be lucky if you already had a diesel generator in place years in advance

schestowitz__

just in case

vmg3

yeah

schestowitz__

people just assume water and power MUST ALWAYS be there

schestowitz__

you turn it on

schestowitz__

and it's there

schestowitz__

same for food

schestowitz__

running out?

schestowitz__

JUST GO TO THE STORE?

vmg3

power you can live without if it's not to cold

schestowitz__

Home break-in?

schestowitz__

Phone police

schestowitz__

and ambulance

vmg3

water not so much

schestowitz__

sometimes those things just stop

vmg3

even when i tour on the bike it becomes a problem

vmg3

heavy shit

schestowitz__

[07:08] <vmg3> routers would be out

schestowitz__

but if you have the code locally,.... OH WAIT!! Printer needs power too

schestowitz__

so you are out of luck

schestowitz__

no router, no printer

schestowitz__

you can just read your code off the screen

schestowitz__

until power runs out

vmg3

if the telco goes down to

schestowitz__

unless you hand-write all the code

vmg3

pen and paper

schestowitz__

and then work on that hand-written stuff

schestowitz__

welcome caveman

vmg3

more like an asylum

schestowitz__

and then write back all the code changes to the machine

vmg3

scrawl on the walls

schestowitz__

if your hand-writing is good enough

vmg3

i think i've forgotten how to write

schestowitz__

people assume they can use the neighbour's power

schestowitz__

or water

schestowitz__

or food

vmg3

yes

schestowitz__

though most likely they have the same deficit at the same time

schestowitz__

you might be lucky if a rich neighbour has a generator

vmg3

I have some freeze dried stashed away ready for my next outing

schestowitz__

and lets you charge stuff off it

schestowitz__

or just use power for other thinga

schestowitz__

not knowing if it's 6 days down or 16

vmg3

I've been thinking of turning my trainer into a generator

schestowitz__

so might be preserving power for oneself

schestowitz__

same for spare food supplies

schestowitz__

get out those hand-cranks

vmg3

just a fridge and freezer going down for a few days is a disaster

schestowitz__

Bill Gates thw sociopaths mocked those things

schestowitz__

world's biggest polluter

schestowitz__

mocked OLPC for being possible to run with hand-cranks

vmg3

I have a small fold out solar panel i use

schestowitz__

Mr. private jets

schestowitz__

those people are nuts, they never met a poor person except for one-minute photo ops

Mar 02 07:14

vmg3

just usb power but it charges my battery

Mar 02 07:14

vmg3

warm in the jet

Mar 02 07:14

vmg3

even the rich would suffer

Mar 02 07:15

vmg3

the mega rich would find a way

Mar 02 07:15

vmg3

there would be anarchy after 3-4 days

Mar 02 07:15

vmg3

logistics is key

Mar 02 07:16

vmg3

they would all go home first day

Mar 02 07:16

vmg3

generators need fuel

Mar 02 07:17

vmg3

no water to flush toilets would create disease

Mar 02 07:17

vmg3

what kind of calamity is to come?

Mar 02 07:18

mjg59

(OLPC wasn't possible to run with hand-cranks)

Mar 02 07:18

vmg3

the army would have to come in

Mar 02 07:19

vmg3

I'd be down the beach if it wasnt to cold

Mar 02 07:20

vmg3

computers would be the last thing

Mar 02 07:20

vmg3

If it's a solar flare or the like they would be useless

Mar 02 07:21

vmg3

I've always giggled at the preppers

Mar 02 07:22

vmg3

family first i guess

Mar 02 07:23

vmg3

would satellites go down?

Mar 02 07:23

vmg3

gps? how long since anyone used a map

Mar 02 07:24

vmg3

people would be stealing solar panels off roofs

Mar 02 07:26

vmg3

mad max

Mar 02 07:28

vmg3

There are good people out there

Mar 02 07:29

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Mar 02 07:30

vmg3

I had a guy knock on my door 2 days ago said who are you, I was my charming self and said who the hell are you, he told me his name then i told him mine and he gave me back my wallet with all my money still in it. bloody lucky, I didn't even know I'd lost it.

Mar 02 07:31

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Mar 02 07:32

vmg3

I thanked him profusely and tried to give him the small notes in the front 40-50 buck but he just said all good the thanks is enough

Mar 02 07:34

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techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▅▆▃▅▃▄▄▄▅▄▅▄▅▄▅▅▄▄▅▄▅▆▅▅▄▅▅▆▆▄▅▅▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 22.68 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▂▃▂▃▁▂▂▃▁▃▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 16.41▕ swarm size (avg): 118.82 ⟲

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Mar 02 07:39

vmg3

frozen wasteland

Mar 02 07:43

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Mar 02 07:45

vmg3

I got an inverter off aliexpress a while ago I should get a truck battery or two now

Mar 02 07:46

vmg3

3 kw for $130

Mar 02 07:47

vmg3

make something with an alternator and the trainer

Mar 02 07:48

vmg3

then all i need it a child to pedal while i watch movies

Mar 02 07:49

schestowitz__

[07:34] <vmg3> I thanked him profusely and tried to give him the small notes in the front 40-50 buck but he just said all good the thanks is enough

Mar 02 07:56

schestowitz__

nice

Mar 02 07:56

vmg3

yes I felt a bit guilty for my greeting

Mar 02 07:56

schestowitz__

yeah

vmg3

hope to run into him and buy him a beer or something.

schestowitz__

he must have though

schestowitz__

"why did I even bother?"

schestowitz__

*thought

vmg3

I could see the look on his face change as soon as i said it

vmg3

but he was patient

vmg3

yeah

schestowitz__

losing all those plastics is a pain

vmg3

yes

schestowitz__

worse than the money lost typically

schestowitz__

unless you rack up loads of cash in the wallet

vmg3

there was 300 in the zipped up bit

vmg3

and my cards

schestowitz__

you should have given 150

vmg3

its a nice wallet

vmg3

Im a scrooge

schestowitz__

and apology for the greeting

schestowitz__

I've not lost a wallet since maybe 20+ years ago

vmg3

i never had the chance he was walking as soon as he handed it over

schestowitz__

I almost did

schestowitz__

always lucky enough to get it back

vmg3

i was blabbering like an idiot

schestowitz__

lol

vmg3

shocked i tell ya

https://dwaves.de/2021/03/02/roof-mounting-starlink-dish-do-not-drill-into-roof-ridgeline-roof-mount/

vmg3

the area where i am is a shocker for low lifes

Mar 02 08:00

vmg3

1 in a thousand

Mar 02 08:01

vmg3

big block of units

Mar 02 08:01

vmg3

but he was a walker im sure i've seen him before

Mar 02 08:02

vmg3

maybe in his 60's

Mar 02 08:02

vmg3

peter you fucken legend

Mar 02 08:02

vmg3

now i button up my back pocket

Mar 02 08:03

vmg3

that was the day with the guitar strings and isp bullshit i'd had a shocker

Mar 02 08:04

vmg3

someone smiled on me I guess

Mar 02 08:05

vmg3

I'm glad i didn't have to work with the postal service like i noticed you did schestowitz__

Mar 02 08:06

schestowitz__

i did?

Mar 02 08:07

vmg3

well they replied by mail

Mar 02 08:07

schestowitz__

well, I do need to send off a parcel thus afternoon

Mar 02 08:07

schestowitz__

will be my first time outdoor in a month

Mar 02 08:08

vmg3

we just had the one hard lockdown and its been good since then, only 300k people in tassie

Mar 02 08:09

vmg3

we've been very luck

Mar 02 08:09

vmg3

the states have been all shunning each other

Mar 02 08:10

vmg3

but an island is handy for this

Mar 02 08:10

vmg3

Melbourne copped the worst of it

Mar 02 08:11

vmg3

you will be masking up?

Mar 02 08:11

schestowitz__

Mar 02 08:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» Roof Mounting StarLink Dish – DO NOT DRILL INTO ROOF! – Ridgeline Roof Mount | dwaves.de

Mar 02 08:22

schestowitz__

pure hype

Mar 02 08:27

schestowitz__

also waste of energy

Mar 02 08:27

vmg3

the brick option looks a bit dodgy

Mar 02 08:29

vmg3

there is a mast point right near it

Mar 02 08:29

vmg3

it should drive down prices

Mar 02 08:29

vmg3

curious to see how secure it will be.

Mar 02 08:32

mjg59

Secure information wise, or secure not falling off the building wise?

Mar 02 08:34

vmg3

information

Mar 02 08:34

mjg59

It's fine

Mar 02 08:34

mjg59

Their security people are competent

vmg3

I don't doubt that

vmg3

but they will still try

mjg59

I've had access to one of their devices

mjg59

Only found a couple of extremely minor issues which weren't meaningfully exploitable

vmg3

getting bumped off continuously could be a pain

mjg59

And pretty solid 50 mbit/sec with acceptable latency

mjg59

It's a genuine improvement over anything else available in rural areas

vmg3

I was hoping for something a bit more portable

techrights-ipfs

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▄▇▅▆▄▅▆▃▄▆▄▅▄▅▅▄▂▆▅▅▁▃▄▄▅▄▅▄▅▅▆▄▄▅▁ avg(k/sec) 22.63 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▃▂▁▂▃▁▂▁▂▂█▂▃▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▃▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 16.40▕ swarm size (avg): 118.66 ⟲

vmg3

yeah agreed

mjg59

You need a pretty big dish for it to work with the constellation sizes

vmg3

latency looks nice

mjg59

Need to cover a certain arc of the sky

mjg59

Hardware design is nice, software design is better than most embedded stuff I've seen

vmg3

yeah we still have dish on roof for tv unused

vmg3

i'm a little envious

Mar 02 08:39

mjg59

I'm solidly on team Fuck Elon, but this is genuinely competent

Mar 02 08:39

vmg3

lol yeah he's a bit of a douche

Mar 02 08:40

vmg3

but he can afford to be i guess

Mar 02 08:40

mjg59

And to be fair it's a result of the failure of infrastructure dev in a lot of countries

Mar 02 08:40

mjg59

There's no fundamental reason we couldn't achieve this without launching so many satellites

mjg59

But since that's failed, we're left with this

vmg3

yeah google has the ballons

mjg59

Not any more, Loon shut down last month

vmg3

really oh

schestowitz__

loloon

vmg3

schestowitz__

how to spy on more people

schestowitz__

'free' connection

schestowitz__

FB does the same

schestowitz__

some 'charity'

schestowitz__

'zero'-rating, too

vmg3

they were supplying some remote communities in the Northern territory

mjg59

Anyway, StarLink is going to be amazing for a lot of people living in areas that have no useful infrastructure

mjg59

Huge parts of the US are still on 1Mbit DSL or geosynchronous satellite

vmg3

some shit up there now

vmg3

that would blow

mjg59

The latter means less bandwidth and much worse latency

vmg3

yeah

mjg59

Anyway, bed

vmg3

mjg59

Ignore Roy pontificating about technology he doesn't understand

vmg3

you guys obviously love each other

vmg3

the lines are to blurry for a simpleton like me

Mar 02 08:45

vmg3

i just see dancing

Mar 02 08:47

vmg3

end users dont care about gnu2 or 3 or cc we just want it to work

Mar 02 08:50

schestowitz__

vmg3: he's just ambushing for dirt here

Mar 02 08:56

vmg3

fishing

Mar 02 08:57

vmg3

without discussion there is nothing for me to learn

Mar 02 08:57

vmg3

then forget

Mar 02 08:58

vmg3

I'm a goldfish

Mar 02 08:58

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old: "Short introduction about Gemini: it's a very recent protocol that is being simplistic and limited. Keys features are: pages are written in markdown like, mandatory TLS, no header, UTF-8 encoding only." https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2020-11-30-gemini-vger-server.html

Mar 02 10:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dataswamp.org | Solene's percent % : How to deploy Vger gemini server on OpenBSD

Mar 02 10:14

techrights-bot

old: Looting is a real problem. But oligarchs-owned media doesn't tell us that its owners are the REAL looters. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-cuts-rich-50-years-no-trickle-down/

Mar 02 10:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbsnews.com | 50 years of tax cuts for the rich failed to trickle down, economics study says - CBS News

Mar 02 10:15

techrights-bot

#Sarkozy in prison https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56237818 "avoided actual penalties though" and his enablers and mates like #battistelli need to join him in a cell http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Beno%C3%AEt_Battistelli

Mar 02 10:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sarkozy: Former French president sentenced to jail for corruption - BBC News

Mar 02 10:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Benoît Battistelli - Techrights

Mar 02 10:16

techrights-bot

Notice how 'trolls' in media made the news about #linux all about "LINUS" https://www.gadgetsnow.com/tech-news/6-days-without-electricity-what-the-inventor-of-microsoft-windows-rival-linux-did/articleshow/81285740.cms see http://techrights.org/2020/05/25/no-technical-journalism/ and http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/linus-instead-of-linux/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gadgetsnow.com | 6 days without electricity: What the inventor of Microsoft Windows-rival Linux did - Latest News | Gadgets Now

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘Journalism’ in 2020: Far More Articles About What Computer Linus Torvalds Bought Than About Linux Releases | Techrights

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gossip Mill as ‘News’: The Mainstream Media Covers Linus Instead of Linux | Techrights

techrights-bot

#corporateMedia is doomed because it's provoking and lying. Sure, most people don't care about "Linux 5.12" (not like "WINDOWS TEN!!!") and don't know what RC stands for or technically means. Not fun and exciting news, maybe boring, but that's the news. Stop making drama over a person! http://techrights.org/2020/05/25/no-technical-journalism/

Mar 02 10:20

techrights-bot

Personification of the news by corporate or mainstream media may be useful for the advertising industry; but it doesn’t contribute to public understanding of what’s really important and what constitutes news http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/linus-instead-of-linux/

Mar 02 10:20

techrights-bot

#newscientist on #wikipedia (which is gamed heavily by PR people and corporate stooges) https://www.newscientist.com/article/2269414-wikipedia-has-seen-a-spike-in-people-editing-pages-during-the-pandemic/

Mar 02 10:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newscientist.com | Wikipedia has seen a spike in people editing pages during the pandemic | New Scientist

Mar 02 10:22

techrights-bot

I have long waited for something that replaces what we have, but #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #github is an immediate way to discredit an effort. #deletegithub to be taken seriously. https://bsd.network/@stsp/105813515779119321

Mar 02 10:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsd.network | Stefan Sperling: "Omar Polo is developing an #emacs version control…" - BSD Network

Mar 02 10:24

techrights-bot

Using #github to host #freesw is like having a vegetarian meetup in a meatplant http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/

Mar 02 10:25

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights

Mar 02 10:25

scientes2

Schestowitz, under every tiananmen square lies a politician.

Mar 02 10:25

techrights-bot

"gas companies are the new tobacco companies - as cynical, selfish and ruthless" https://mastodon.social/@glynmoody/105816846726245264

Mar 02 10:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Glyn Moody: "A Texas city had a bold new climate plan – until …" - Mastodon

Mar 02 10:26

schestowitz__

under every rock lies a tiananmen square massacre

Mar 02 10:28

schestowitz__

and under every rock there is a person massacred

Mar 02 10:29

schestowitz__

Wounded Knee Massacre

Mar 02 10:29

techrights-bot

"The protest followed the failure of an effort of the Oglala Sioux Civil Rights Organization (OSCRO) to impeach tribal president Richard Wilson, whom they accused of corruption and abuse of opponents." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Occupation

Mar 02 10:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Wounded Knee Occupation - Wikipedia

Mar 02 10:30

techrights-bot

"U.S. settlers were alarmed by the sight of the many Great Basin and Plains tribes performing the Ghost Dance, worried that it might be a prelude to armed attack." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

Mar 02 10:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Wounded Knee Massacre - Wikipedia

Mar 02 10:32

scientes2

Xraven86 I only hear about governor frugal now.

scientes2

Furgal

schestowitz__

I didn't know about the 20th century incident

schestowitz__

had to look that up

schestowitz__

if they were "libertarians" like Bundy, all cool

schestowitz__

occupation might even be encouraged by the cops

scientes2

I was there

scientes2

Wounded knee

schestowitz__

like in the Capital coup

schestowitz__

Capitol

scientes2

There is a huge mountain statue

schestowitz__

their carbon footprint is low

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scientes2

As glorious as mt. Rushmore.

schestowitz__

some say oligarchs like Gates pollute 10,000 more than the average person

schestowitz__

we need to talk about such things...

scientes2

Look up cheat neutral

schestowitz__

Trump weaponised Rushmore

schestowitz__

to incite racial tensions

schestowitz__

that country is "done" to me...

https://youtu.be/I6zpnVW134k

scientes2

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cheat Neutral - YouTube

schestowitz__

iirc, you left and don't intend to return

schestowitz__

with covid it'll be harder for more people to do it

schestowitz__

us 3rd worst for cases/capita (among those that test enough)

schestowitz__

youtube :/

schestowitz__

I rarely click on those links

schestowitz__

too much JS

schestowitz__

and google now blocks you

schestowitz__

unless you run its programs

schestowitz__

sometimes MinceR puts in a video file

schestowitz__

link drop that doesn't run JS

schestowitz__

just fetches one file

scientes2

Youtube-dl

schestowitz__

[09:58] <techrights-bot> ● NEWS ● #Bloomberg ☞ #YouTube Suspends #RudyGiuliani Again for #Election Fraud Claims https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-01/youtube-suspends-rudy-giuliani-again-for-election-fraud-claims

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

schestowitz__

[09:58] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

schestowitz__

[09:58] <techrights-bot> ● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Politics ☞ #RudyGiuliani just lost his #YouTube privileges for two weeks https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/1/22308377/rudy-giuliani-youtube-suspension-strike-two-weeks

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Rudy Giuliani just lost his YouTube privileges for two weeks - The Verge

schestowitz__

[10:01] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.tuxmachines.org | Emmabuntüs Debian Edition 3 1.04 Released with Debian GNU/Linux 10.8 “Buster” Updates | Tux Machines

schestowitz__

[10:04] <techrights-bot> ● NEWS ● #HollywoodReporter #Politics ☞ #YouTube Suspends #RudyGiuliani Again https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/youtube-suspends-rudy-giuliani-again

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | YouTube Suspends Rudy Giuliani Again | Hollywood Reporter

schestowitz__

That's today

schestowitz__

I'm glad I spent no time on that site

schestowitz__

seems to have turned the switch on some agenda

schestowitz__

and it's not video hosting

schestowitz__

youtube-dl is a workaround

schestowitz__

Google still logs your IP

schestowitz__

and request/URL

Mar 02 10:39

schestowitz__

maybe not mouse movements and location, except when the IP gives the latter away

Mar 02 10:39

techrights-bot

How weird that in #mozilla #firefox options, the setting for default zoom is either 30% or 50% or 100% or higher (nothing below or in between). Just let me enter a number. The #ux cargo cult strikes again! User 'too dumb' to enter a number?

Mar 02 10:49

techrights-bot

FOSS Patents: #Law profs to Federal Circuit: China's antisuit injunction case law is consistent and compatible with U.S. approach, Ericsson's anti-antisuit injunction against #Samsung should be overturned ⇨ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/law-profs-to-federal-circuit-chinas.html •●• #fosspatents

Mar 02 10:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Law profs to Federal Circuit: China's antisuit injunction case law is consistent and compatible with U.S. approach, Ericsson's anti-antisuit injunction against Samsung should be overturned

Mar 02 10:50

techrights-bot

Wow. #JUVEPatent become a #law firms' #marketing site, hardly even pretending to be about the news. Fake rankings that act like ads. "In JUVE Patent’s latest ranking video, France correspondents Christina Schulze and Konstanze Richter discuss the main forces driving the French patent market"

Mar 02 10:52

techrights-bot

"Once the integration completes, the developers building on Avalanche will first time have access to develop smart contracts using Linux and uncountable mainstream software stack." https://www.altcoinbuzz.io/cryptocurrency-news/product-release/cartesi-ctsi-opens-linux-environment-gates-for-avalanche/

Mar 02 10:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.altcoinbuzz.io | Cartesi (CTSI) Opens Linux Environment Gates for Avalanche - Product Release & Updates - Altcoin Buzz

Mar 02 10:58

techrights-bot

#programming professionals: HOW would you do that? #ux 'professionals': WHY would you want to do that? Destroying software little by little so that it sucks up more resources, harms #privacy (for 'research'), and does far less, except for software masters and advertisers...

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Mar 02 11:02

vmg3

I can't keep up argh

Mar 02 11:04

techrights-bot

#Gaming in #Nitrux pt. 1: Get Started " Nitrux — #YourNextOS ⇨ https://nxos.org/tutorial/gaming-in-nitrux-pt-1-get-started/ •●• #nxos #freesw

Mar 02 11:04

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nxos.org | Gaming in Nitrux pt. 1: Get Started — Nitrux — #YourNextOS

Mar 02 11:04

techrights-bot

#Portal2 gets more #DXVK #Vulkan improvements with another update | GamingOnLinux ⇨ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/portal-2-gets-more-dxvk-vulkan-improvements-with-another-update •●• #GamingOnLinux

Mar 02 11:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Portal 2 gets more DXVK Vulkan improvements with another update | GamingOnLinux

Mar 02 11:05

techrights-bot

Well, 'your' #RaspberryPi is being monitored by #microsoft now... so better do the same as here but with a different SBC https://opensource.com/article/21/3/raspberry-pi-grafana-cloud see http://techrights.org/2021/02/18/raspberry-pi-breaks-up-with-free-software-community/

Mar 02 11:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monitor your Raspberry Pi with Grafana Cloud | Opensource.com

Mar 02 11:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Raspberry Pi Reaffirms Its Commitment to Microsoft (as Trojan Horse Inside Classrooms) and Abandons the Free Software Community | Techrights

Mar 02 11:08

techrights-bot

"the first multi-processor version of Unix, three years ahead of Sun Microsystems and HP." https://swarajyamag.com/technology/the-hard-core-of-hcl-fades-into-history

Mar 02 11:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-swarajyamag.com | The 'Hard' Core Of HCL Fades Into History

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Mar 02 11:22

techrights-bot

Refund of pre-installed Windows: Lenovo must pay 20,000 euros in damages • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148321 And later on #fsfe takes "sponsorship" money from #microsoft ... as for #lenovo ... they have 'history' http://techrights.org/2016/10/02/lenovo-forums-censorship/

Mar 02 11:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Refund of pre-installed Windows: Lenovo must pay 20,000 euros in damages | Tux Machines

Mar 02 11:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: Lenovo Forums Possibly Banned All Comcast Users in Illinois in Order to Silence Discussion of Linux on Yoga Problems | Techrights

Mar 02 11:26

techrights-bot

Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148322 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

techrights-bot

Games: GTA, SDL, Gaming in #Nitrux , and Portal 2 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148320 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #games

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: GTA, SDL, Gaming in Nitrux, and Portal 2 | Tux Machines

techrights-bot

#ibm : let's not code, let's do code of conduct instead and gag people (like opinionated folks who point out IBM is #racist and corrupt). "In 2020 we had more than two times the number of CoC reports when compared to 2019." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-code-of-conduct-report-2020/

Mar 02 11:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Code of Conduct Report 2020 – Fedora Community Blog

Mar 02 11:29

techrights-bot

Racist #ibm ... very racist IBM. http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/ibm-keen-sense-of-public-relations/ Corrupt #linuxfoundation helps corrupt IBM to say the opposite of what's true. Follow the money. Money buys PERCEPTION.

Mar 02 11:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM’s Founder, Mr. Watson (Yes, That Watson), Had “Very Keen Sense of Public Relations” | Techrights

Mar 02 11:30

techrights-bot

#ibm : we don't fight black people, honest!!http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ #racist #racism #nypd #eugenics

Mar 02 11:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBM’s Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights

Mar 02 11:31

techrights-bot

#ibm : we bought a company where the state went to war with the whole country (government) to keep black people as nothing but #slaves BUT: now we at IBM work to ban... not slavery but the word "slave"

Mar 02 11:32

techrights-bot

When Matthew Miller et at say "Keep it up, and keep being awesome Fedora, we <3 you!" I totally believe them. The problem is, the big decisions aren't made by Matthew Miller and co but by greedy, litigious IBM, the "master" that pays the salary. Look what they did to #centos

Mar 02 11:35

techrights-bot

3 features that debuted in #Python 3.0 you should use now | ⇨ https://opensource.com/article/21/3/python-new-features •●• #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #Linux

Mar 02 11:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3 features that debuted in Python 3.0 you should use now | Opensource.com

Mar 02 11:37

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Mar 02 11:41

techrights-bot

"Mike: Moz is on board. Google seems to be on board." #google is the 'master' of #mozilla though because... I mean... just look where the salaries at Mozilla come from. #surveillanceCapitalism https://www.otsukare.info/2021/03/02/capping-user-agent-string

Mar 02 11:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.otsukare.info | Capping User Agent String - followup meeting - otsukare

Mar 02 11:41

techrights-bot

Hopefully enough people understand the degree to which use agents in a Web browser are leveraged for fingerprinting/tracking/surveillance/abuse

Mar 02 11:42

techrights-bot

Learn Java with object orientation by building a classic Breakout game https://opensource.com/article/21/3/java-object-orientation #java #programming

Mar 02 11:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn Java with object orientation by building a classic Breakout game | Opensource.com

Mar 02 11:43

techrights-bot

"A quick note to say that we finalized a bugfix release 0.1.5 of #RcppSimdJson yesterday which got onto CRAN earlier today." http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/02/24#rcppsimdjson_0.1.5

Mar 02 11:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com | Thinking inside the box

Mar 02 11:45

techrights-bot

Ouch. Outsourcing not only code but also documentation to #microsoft #proprietarySofwtare with #surveillance (no excuses for this) http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/03/01/ #deletegithub

Mar 02 11:47

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com | Thinking inside the box

Mar 02 11:47

techrights-bot

Ouch. Outsourcing not only code but also documentation to #microsoft #proprietarySofwtare with #surveillance (no excuses for this) http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/03/01/ #deletegithub

schestowitz__

#freesw developer on #github : it's just a tool, I know it's #proprietarySoftware

schestowitz__

Vegetarian activist: I need to eat hamburgers for energy... so I can promote the cause and end meat consumption

schestowitz__

#deletegithub

techrights-bot

"It’s possible to connect to the ESP32 thermal camera board in access point or station mode to control it with “tCam console” desktop application compatible with [GNU] Linux..." https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/02/tcam-mini-esp32-ir-thermal-camera-board/

Mar 02 11:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | tCam-Mini IR thermal camera board ships with ESP32 module

Mar 02 11:50

techrights-bot

#patents against #innovation : "In the absence of a framework to promote harmonious licensing, SEP owners could, if they wish, use the #patent enforcement system to ‘hold up’ or prevent their competitors from launching rival products" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/02/a-welcome-statement-of-diverse-views-or-a-damning-indictment-of-a-hopelessly-fractured-system-on-the-eu-seps-expert-group-report-and-the-

Mar 02 11:54

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | A welcome statement of diverse views or a damning indictment of a hopelessly fractured system? On the EU SEPs Expert Group report and the state of SEP licensing - Kluwer Patent Blog

Mar 02 11:54

techrights-bot

Felipe Borges: Save the date: #GNOME #LATAM 2021, March 27th https://feborg.es/save-the-date-gnome-latam-2021-march-27th/ #freesw #gnu #linux

Mar 02 11:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feborg.es | Save the date: GNOME LATAM 2021, March 27th – Felipe Borges

Mar 02 11:56

techrights-bot

#LibreOffice Documentation and Guides • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148323 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw

Mar 02 11:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice Documentation and Guides | Tux Machines

Mar 02 11:59

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Mar 02 13:25

XRevan86

scientes: You hear nothing else but stuff about Khabarovsk and the governor Furgal? %)

Mar 02 13:31

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Mar 02 13:38

schestowitz__

Furgal?

Mar 02 13:51

schestowitz__

is it Frugal, too?

Mar 02 13:51

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Mar 02 13:53

techrights-bot

#Codeberg Code Hosting is now with Documentation • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148324 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Codeberg Code Hosting is now with Documentation | Tux Machines

techrights-bot

#Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148325 •●• #Google #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/03/t-mobile-promised-more-jobs-after-merger-then-cut-5000-jobs-instead/

XRevan86

schestowitz__: Furgal was frugal and paid the price you could say

Mar 02 13:56

schestowitz__

bloody fu*gal

Mar 02 13:58

techrights-bot

#GodotEngine team grows with another developer now working on rendering | GamingOnLinux ⇨ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/godot-engine-team-grows-with-another-developer-now-working-on-rendering •●• #deletegithub

Mar 02 13:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Godot Engine team grows with another developer now working on rendering | GamingOnLinux

Mar 02 13:59

techrights-bot

"The XR (VR/AR) space continues to evolve and one of the promising projects there is called StereoKit, an open source mixed reality library and a new release is out now adding in Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/open-source-mixed-reality-library-stereokit-adds-linux-support

Mar 02 14:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Open source mixed reality library StereoKit adds Linux support | GamingOnLinux

Mar 02 14:00

techrights-bot

The #GNU #LinuxAppSummit (LAS) returns in May, applications open for talks until March 15 | GamingOnLinux ⇨ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/the-linux-app-summit-las-returns-in-may-applications-open-for-talks-until-march-15

Mar 02 14:02

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Linux App Summit (LAS) returns in May, applications open for talks until March 15 | GamingOnLinux

Mar 02 14:02

techrights-bot

Padding and aligning data in #GNUpoke http://jemarch.net/pokology-20210302.html #gnu #freesw

Mar 02 14:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jemarch.net | Applied Pokology - Padding and aligning data in GNU poke

Mar 02 14:07

DaemonFC[m]

Mar 02 14:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | “We knew T-Mobile couldn’t be trusted,” union says after 5,000 job cuts | Ars Technica

Mar 02 14:14

DaemonFC[m]

T-Mobile cut a net 5,000 jobs after the Sprint merger, after telling regulators that there would be more jobs so that they would approve the merger.

Mar 02 14:15

DaemonFC[m]

https://wgntv.com/news/rooster-with-knife-kills-owner-during-banned-cockfight/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Rooster with knife kills owner during banned cockfight | WGN-TV

techrights-bot

Pocock on Removing Cognitive Bias Around Consent • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/02/cognitive-bias/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/02/cognitive-bias/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pocock on Removing Cognitive Bias Around Consent | Techrights

techrights-bot

"Some people are spreading rumours that Bruce Lehrmann has fled overseas." https://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2021/02/27/were-young-women-sexually-assaulted-when-bruce-lehrmann-the-alleged-parliament-house-rapist-was-an-official-at-the-anu-un-conference/

Mar 02 14:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kangaroocourtofaustralia.com | Were young women sexually assaulted when Bruce Lehrmann, the alleged parliament house rapist, was an official at the ANU UN conference? – Kangaroo Court of Australia

Mar 02 14:36

techrights-bot

#EQE again, but #IPKat actively censored reports about the real EQE scandal, which involved #EPO #corruption http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html see http://techrights.org/2020/03/16/doyen-for-a-yen/

Mar 02 14:39

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat

Mar 02 14:39

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Series Index: “Doyen” for a Yen | Techrights

Mar 02 14:39

schestowitz__

[14:07] <schestowitz__> hi fsf folks, any plans to maybe add fsf/site presence in gemini:// ?

schestowitz__

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schestowitz__

[14:11] <tech_exorcist> that would be great, imho

schestowitz__

[14:23] <bandali> schestowitz__, hi, feel free to write to sysadmin@gnu.org with your suggestion

schestowitz__

[14:40] <schestowitz__> thanks

schestowitz__

[14:40] <bandali> cheers

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schestowitz__

XRevan86: ^^

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: No jobs growth, and the big companies are shedding jobs, as they have been.

schestowitz__

I've just been to town

schestowitz__

iirc, first since since january (!!)

DaemonFC[m]

It was obvious that a merger between Sprint and T-Mobile would lead to workforce redundancies and less competition.

schestowitz__

it's not too bad out there

DaemonFC[m]

Meaning fewer jobs and higher prices.

https://isitblockedinrussia.com/?host=craigmurray.org.uk

XRevan86

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schestowitz__

yeah, good for those who hoard all the capital

DaemonFC[m]

T-Mobile layoffs are going to keep going.

schestowitz__

XRevan86: very weird

schestowitz__

it's not a blog hostile to russia

DaemonFC[m]

They already have a network. They don't need all of that legacy Sprint CDMA crap, so they'll shut it down as soon as possible.

schestowitz__

in fact, it often debunds some russophobic tropes

XRevan86

schestowitz__: Looks like another Cloudflare block.

DaemonFC[m]

Then here come another river full of e-waste a couple years before the hardware itself would go bad.

schestowitz__

XRevan86: lol

schestowitz__

good

schestowitz__

whatever kills off those clownflares

schestowitz__

it needs to go away

schestowitz__

we need to tackle ddos at the root

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: I just did a favor for Mandy's friend at work.

schestowitz__

not outsourcing to a malicious for-profit company

DaemonFC[m]

I was going to Gurnee for something anyway, and she needed her iPhone 6S Plus repaired, so I just had the Batteries Plus shop swap it out for her.

schestowitz__

ewaste means discarded 'old' stuff

DaemonFC[m]

$60 vs a new phone, and it's still in good shape.

schestowitz__

if you don't use bloat and crapware, you can buy it cheap and use it

DaemonFC[m]

They want to sell you a new phone every year or two. There's no reason that thing won't work for another couple of years on a new battery.

schestowitz__

notice how FAST those things love value

schestowitz__

a few years go by and ban. quarter price

schestowitz__

even if in mint condition

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, there's little functional difference between an iPhone SE and an iPhone 11.

DaemonFC[m]

Same CPU.

DaemonFC[m]

Apple is letting the customer come in and say the most they're willing to spend. Then, what do you know? Here's one at that price.

schestowitz__

"WHAT WILL MY FRIENDS THINK !!!! My phone is over two years old!! >2 = I'm a worthless peasant"

DaemonFC[m]

Price discrimination.

schestowitz__

Colgate also

XRevan86

It's not a direct attack on Cloudflare, but apparently their IPs still get routinely blocked as the front IP addresses of stuff.

schestowitz__

upselling

schestowitz__

you could get the toothpaste cheaper in areas that target low-salary people

DaemonFC[m]

It's putting like 5 things that are all almost the same at 5 different prices, and then letting the customer reveal their price sensitivity.

schestowitz__

elsewhere the same thing with better packaging costs up to 5 times more

DaemonFC[m]

And paying the most they'll pay, every time.

schestowitz__

yes, old tactic

DaemonFC[m]

It's called "capturing the consumer surplus".

schestowitz__

I saw this when working at a store

schestowitz__

I'd usually point immediately to the cheap

schestowitz__

I'm with the customer, not the store

DaemonFC[m]

If they only made the $400 model, everyone would buy that, nobody would "complain" that it's "what you give your kids when you're worried they might break it and don't want to be out a lot of money".

DaemonFC[m]

"I'm important. I need the $1,649 model!"

Mar 02 15:03

DaemonFC[m]

If it's what you give someone when you are averse to losing money, then why wouldn't you give it to yourself?

DaemonFC[m]

That way when it breaks or becomes obsolete, you limit the financial damage. :)

schestowitz__

why do these cost so much?

schestowitz__

you can get quad-core cortex for a dozen dollars

schestowitz__

toss a screen on it

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: Yes, and Aldi works on the model where they only have one "model" of canned kidney beans, and it's the cheapest can of beans they can possibly sell.

schestowitz__

add some digitiser etc.

schestowitz__

no 'phone', even powerful one, should cost more than $50

schestowitz__

even if "made in USA"

DaemonFC[m]

It's 50 cents for that can of beans. Walmart sells kidney beans. 56 cents for the store brand to $1.48 for the national brand.

schestowitz__

the whole thing is a scam... and patents

http://techrights.org/2016/01/24/phones-patent-thicket/

schestowitz__

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DaemonFC[m]

They're all the same thing, but by carrying so many brands, it complicates the operation and drags up prices, including the store's.

DaemonFC[m]

You scale that up and you spend an extra $10 or so at Walmart per $100.

DaemonFC[m]

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DaemonFC[m]

When he wanted to mention how ridiculous the iPod was.

schestowitz__

I'd just bought about 15kg of food

schestowitz__

some half price

DaemonFC[m]

He said it's literally an MP3 codec, an LCD screen, a click wheel, and a couple MB of RAM.

schestowitz__

some 90% off

DaemonFC[m]

You could buy one anywhere for 10-20% of the price of Apple's.

schestowitz__

if you want, you can easy 'raid' the discounts

schestowitz__

right time, right sequences

schestowitz__

36 cross buns, 2 pennies each

schestowitz__

or 10p loaves of bread

DaemonFC[m]

I always thought it was funny that Apple was selling a glorified MP3 codec on a plastic clickwheel for $400-500.

schestowitz__

those can go right in the freezer

DaemonFC[m]

That anyone would be that stupid.

schestowitz__

now, in terms of tech stuff

schestowitz__

you can get second hand

schestowitz__

anything from half to quarter price

schestowitz__

and in good condition, not even old or damaged

schestowitz__

it's all about ego

DaemonFC[m]

Mandy is like level 5 susceptible to ads.

Mar 02 15:09

schestowitz__

some are too "proud" (aka "class-conscious") to reject all the SMART(TM) stuff and actually become smart out there

Mar 02 15:09

DaemonFC[m]

He has no sales resistance at all, so the glorified MP3 codec with a plastic clickwheel would be another argument if those were still the gadget.

Mar 02 15:09

schestowitz__

mp3 players cost about 10 pounds

schestowitz__

should not be over 20 dollars (US)

schestowitz__

it's a flash disk

schestowitz__

and small microchip

schestowitz__

headphone jack

schestowitz__

the components are just a few bucks

DaemonFC[m]

I wish Linux better supported WavPack.

schestowitz__

nothing fancy but decent battery life unless you want fancy and bright displays

DaemonFC[m]

Modern CPUs are all fast enough to use it on the highest compression setting, which was just ridiculous in 1999, but it's very much usable now.

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DaemonFC[m]

It's unlike FLAC in that the compression setting has effect on decode performance, but that this is also below the idle speed of an ARM little core.

DaemonFC[m]

So it's not like it matters.

DaemonFC[m]

Decisions on what to standardize have unfortunately been made on hardware that was available more than 20 years ago, which probably doesn't even work anymore anyway.

Mar 02 15:12

schestowitz__

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schestowitz__

"Weird' hardware

psydroid

I had an MP3 player something like 15 years ago, but my aunt's identical model broke, so I gave mine to her

schestowitz__

I bought one for my mom

schestowitz__

eventually I took it cause she did not use it

schestowitz__

and it ws identical to mine

schestowitz__

which was no longer working too well

schestowitz__

(as I had actually used it)

schestowitz__

duplicate buys also help explain how to use those things

Mar 02 15:15

psydroid

yeah

Mar 02 15:15

schestowitz__

one of them still works, I think

Mar 02 15:16

schestowitz__

but I reflashed it for general storage

Mar 02 15:16

schestowitz__

can't recall why

Mar 02 15:17

schestowitz__

maybe to install debian on some old server without any drives, just usb ports

Mar 02 15:17

schestowitz__

those mp3 players cost just under 20 pounds anyway

schestowitz__

almost the same cost of the standalone storage

schestowitz__

archos iirc

schestowitz__

is archos still around?

schestowitz__

I had a tablet of theirs

schestowitz__

it did not last very long

schestowitz__

old android, maybe 2.x

Mar 02 15:19

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Mar 02 15:21

schestowitz__

snoozing, bbl

Mar 02 15:23

DaemonFC[m]

archos?

Mar 02 15:25

DaemonFC[m]

I haven't seen anything lately. Those Android Honeycomb tablets were pretty bad.

Mar 02 15:25

psydroid

we have Pinetab now, hopefully they will create a new model based on RK3566 or RK3568

Mar 02 15:29

DaemonFC[m]

In some cases, it's possible to replace the battery in an MP3 player if that's all that's wrong with it.

Mar 02 15:32

DaemonFC[m]

Sandisk doesn't make any good MP3 players anymore.

Mar 02 15:32

DaemonFC[m]

It may be the J&J vaccine that I get each year if COVID becomes a recurring problem.

Mar 02 15:34

DaemonFC[m]

I can't imagine carving out two vaccine appointments each year over something that will never end.

Mar 02 15:34

schestowitz__

my dad said to me that the J&J one he would be willing to explore

Mar 02 16:00

schestowitz__

and would phone their representatives

Mar 02 16:00

schestowitz__

as it's hard to get access to those doses

schestowitz__

as for me, I'm waiting to see what's what

schestowitz__

also, there are many repelling factors

schestowitz__

and many in Russia and China cannot refuse anything but what the regime prescribes

schestowitz__

but again

schestowitz__

let's not talk vaccines

schestowitz__

I got enough of that crap at work... in a channel where all the colleague brags about when BRAND(TM) of vaccine they got

Mar 02 16:02

schestowitz__

it's not something that goes in the purse

Mar 02 16:02

schestowitz__

it goes in the body, sometimes several times over

Mar 02 16:02

schestowitz__

I used to make fan of "antivaxxer" until corporate media started using this label against everyone, or the majority of the population

Mar 02 16:03

schestowitz__

*make fun

Mar 02 16:03

schestowitz__

[10:11] <techrights-bot> Overuse of labels such as "conspiracy theorist" will render such labels rather meaningless. Like partisan politics where each voter is either "Marxist" or "Nazi"... like brand dilution in #trademark sense/realm... or Godwin's Law

Mar 02 16:03

schestowitz__

All those "bill says" pieces put people off

Mar 02 16:04

schestowitz__

he's exploiting this thing for PR

Mar 02 16:04

schestowitz__

while perfectly aware he emboldens the belied that scam artists and profiteers are the ones pushing vaccines, not experts

Mar 02 16:05

schestowitz__

*belief

Mar 02 16:05

schestowitz__

psydroid: pinetab is also kde afaik

Mar 02 16:06

schestowitz__

plasma mobile or whatnot

Mar 02 16:06

schestowitz__

android rules now

Mar 02 16:06

schestowitz__

people look for alternatives, ones that still get the basics done and don't harvest data

Mar 02 16:07

schestowitz__

if gnome is ibm-ish, privacy might not be priority

Mar 02 16:07

schestowitz__

kde is mostly .de and in germany they take privacy seriously and no single company has much leverage over kde

Mar 02 16:07

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Mar 02 16:08

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Mar 02 16:12

psydroid

schestowitz__: I haven't used GNOME in a decade, the only reason why I ever used it on Ubuntu 10.4 was because KDE was in state of disarray with the transition from 3.5 to 4.x

psydroid

I've always used KDE

schestowitz__

I remember that

schestowitz__

I used KDE3 for quite some time

schestowitz__

GNOME3 is unimpressive

schestowitz__

I use it right now

schestowitz__

xfce4 is better in several regards

schestowitz__

aside from system usag

psydroid

I use XFCE4 too on some machines

Mar 02 16:16

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schestowitz__

psydroid: I explored almost all the features of it this year, one by one

schestowitz__

some are CLI only

schestowitz__

it's a lot more powerful than I was led to think, even just from GUI controls

schestowitz__

GNOME moved into this pseudo-modularity thing

schestowitz__

like Mozilla FIrefox did

schestowitz__

until they killed off xul

schestowitz__

with some odd exeptions

schestowitz__

and then thunderbird and firefox lacked any real edge

schestowitz__

just "another browser"... what does it do? It surfs the web

schestowitz__

thunderbird? opens mail

schestowitz__

no more tabbing, browsing, versatile rss feed stuff in thunderbird

schestowitz__

users are "too dumb"

schestowitz__

let's remove the "bad" stuff

schestowitz__

"we know better"

schestowitz__

that's gnome3

schestowitz__

gnome 2 got Torvalds ranting as well

schestowitz__

they said they'd try to be easier for users

schestowitz__

and yet they never really attracted new users

schestowitz__

they drove away some existing users

schestowitz__

geeks who made it

schestowitz__

and android took over

schestowitz__

for other reasons though

schestowitz__

now they push wayland

schestowitz__

with barely any advantages. "it's new, try this!:

schestowitz__

then they force it on you

schestowitz__

like the did pulseaudio

schestowitz__

until developers stop supporting anything but this IBM stack

Mar 02 16:21

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Mar 02 16:23

psydroid

or until developers stop supporting even the IBM stack

Mar 02 16:23

psydroid

then all their plans will prove to have been futile all along

Mar 02 16:24

schestowitz__

bbl

Mar 02 16:24

schestowitz__

need to record something

Mar 02 16:24

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Mar 02 16:41

DaemonFC[m]

It's just utter insanity what's going on with IBM. They've managed to take over Linux and turn it into a proprietary UNIX system, de facto, even though almost everything is "open source".

Mar 02 16:55

DaemonFC[m]

It's been allowed to happen because bribes and "developers".

Mar 02 16:56

DaemonFC[m]

So I wouldn't call the "ecosystem" a meritocracy anymore, because there's nobody saying hell no to bad ideas that one entity has that suits their business purposes and detracts from the general quality of the software.

Mar 02 16:57

DaemonFC[m]

There used to be a process where "No." from Linus means back to the drawing board. Consensus. Some final version of it that's better than it would have been lands eventually.

Mar 02 16:57

DaemonFC[m]

They've cut him out of the loop so that they can jam in a bunch of low quality stuff that ticks off a feature.

Mar 02 16:58

DaemonFC[m]

Their latest "feature" is a compressed RAM pool and a userspace service that panics and starts killing things to save the system when some other stuff uses too much RAM.

Mar 02 16:59

MinceR

also, there was nobody else that cared

Mar 02 16:59

DaemonFC[m]

Because profiling and fixing leaks and inefficiencies is harder than tricks.

Mar 02 16:59

MinceR

his second-in-command was already like "hell yeah, let's just shovel dbus into the kernel without thinking!"

DaemonFC[m]

I've laughed before at how much work people put into not doing work.

MinceR

Linux was already doomed because of that

Old_Man

Is Aaron Siego still involved in KDE in any strategic capacity?

DaemonFC[m]

Instead of fixing the mess, they just hack something together to buy them space to build a bigger mess.

Old_Man

Man, I remember when he gave the KDE users the big middle finger in the KDE 3->4 transition.

DaemonFC[m]

It would be nice if compressed RAM and the systemd service to manage out of memory conditions added something, but they're just a license to spend the savings on more bloat.

Mar 02 17:01

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Old_Man

That little desktop widget thingy, the "cashew," was a hill on which he chose to die, laying down hard-and-fast law that THE CASHEW CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE TURNED OFF.

Mar 02 17:01

DaemonFC[m]

There was a widget that hid the cashew.

Old_Man

Then on that linux theming website, there was a third-part extension called "we hate the cashew," which a number of users installed to work around Aaron Siego's dictatorship...

Old_Man

And the rest of us just quit using it.

Old_Man

KDE, that is.

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Old_Man

I've been on XFCE ever since.

DaemonFC[m]

I think all it did was make it unviewable and expose the desktop underneath it. Like it was still there, but not there.

DaemonFC[m]

It was "I hate the cashew.".

DaemonFC[m]

I remember because it was one of the few widgets I ever installed.

Old_Man

Well a year or two ago, I tossed KDE on a VM briefly, and noticed that it *can* be turned off now. :)

DaemonFC[m]

They were copying Vista, and Vista had widgets.

DaemonFC[m]

So we have to go off and have widgets too instead of bug fixes and important things.

Old_Man

So I wonder if Aaron Siego had to die to make that feature possible, or if he finally just capitulated and quit being a dick.

MinceR

i stopped using kde when i had to set up plasma for the third time because it forgot its own settings over and over

DaemonFC[m]

The sad part about desktop widgets was it was just Active Desktop thinking all over again.

DaemonFC[m]

And it didn't even survive into Windows 7.

MinceR

i suspect the actual purpose of active desktop was just an excuse to keep IE loaded all the time

DaemonFC[m]

Active Desktop was just something to point to in court to say the desktop needed IE.

MinceR

it's microshit's method of ricing application startup times

DaemonFC[m]

Because now it did.

MinceR

that too

MinceR

it's the same mentality as the systemd/poettering/gnome/proprietarydesktop one

DaemonFC[m]

Yes, IE components were always loaded, so while Netscape went grinding on your drive and took 3 seconds, IE loaded instantly.

MinceR

"you're goint got run it and use it MY way, regardless of whether you want it!"

MinceR

s/nt/ng/

DaemonFC[m]

If you used ROM II SE to remove IE and crap, the Windows shell (from 95b) would start up instead.

https://hugelolcdn.com/i/731853.jpg

DaemonFC[m]

You would notice a savings of 11 MB of RAM and 4% of the system resources stack on system start.

Mar 02 17:06

Old_Man

MinceR, exactly... and meanwhile XFCE keeps showing that it's downright easy to keep things customizable and lookin' good.

Mar 02 17:06

DaemonFC[m]

In those days, 11 MB could be anywhere between 10 and 33% of the amount of RAM in the entire computer.

Mar 02 17:07

MinceR

i got tired of xfce because every time i have to set the panel up again, i have to kill xfconfd, edit the panel configuration xml and start it again

Mar 02 17:07

MinceR

because if i just tell it to remove the panel i don't need, it crashes and restarts with that panel still there

Mar 02 17:07

Old_Man

Huh, that sounds like a bug in your distro's version... never saw that.

Mar 02 17:08

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft made it so whether you wanted to use IE or not was irrelevant.

Mar 02 17:10

MinceR

Mar 02 17:10

DaemonFC[m]

It was there, it was consuming resources. If you used anything else, it would be in addition to IE being loaded too.

Mar 02 17:10

DaemonFC[m]

Then, from a different angle, they came and introduced bugs in IE's rendering engine and made it easy for people to corrupt a website in ways that made Netscape give up and refuse to render it, but IE corrected it in the background and it looked okay.

Mar 02 17:11

DaemonFC[m]

Netscape was extremely strict in requiring tags to be closed.

DaemonFC[m]

So IE came along and would close dangling tags if it found them and then render the page.

DaemonFC[m]

So Netscape had to implement this too.

DaemonFC[m]

And now here we are with dangling tags. Even schestowitz.

schestowitz__

[16:55] <DaemonFC[m]> It's just utter insanity what's going on with IBM. They've managed to take over Linux and turn it into a proprietary UNIX system, de facto, even though almost everything is "open source".

schestowitz__

there is backlash though

schestowitz__

and they feel it

schestowitz__

it exceeds their expectations

schestowitz__

see comments in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148134

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DaemonFC[m]

I went back on my website and loaded it in every browser I could get my hands on to make sure it still looked fine even in versions that were obsolete for a few years at that point.

schestowitz__

[17:00] <Old_Man> Is Aaron Siego still involved in KDE in any strategic capacity?

schestowitz__

last I heard he was in switzerland doing email and comms stuff

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DaemonFC[m]

It's a lot of effort to test for weird configurations, but really it was because everyone but Opera made a browser that really sucked at that point.

Old_Man

I think this Gemini space is a good way to clean up a lot of the mess the web has become.

Old_Man

As soon as it's as easy to write a Gemini robot as it is to write an interactive IRC robot, it'll be gret.

Old_Man

great.

DaemonFC[m]

Netscape's legacy would have lived on in IE had they just sold the browser to Microsoft.

schestowitz__

Old_Man: we made lots of gemini software

DaemonFC[m]

They were approached with a cash offer and a threat.

schestowitz__

I am trying to get gnu and FSF to port their sites to it

schestowitz__

they said they'd look into it, sort of

schestowitz__

they= not the senior people

DaemonFC[m]

This was Peak Bill Gates.

schestowitz__

we had loads of IRC bots over the years

Old_Man

schestowitz__, is it possible to make username/password-protected services for gemini with some effort less than, say, running Django? :D

DaemonFC[m]

They didn't take the carrot so they got the stick.

schestowitz__

because social control media keeps changing and breaking

schestowitz__

google apis also

schestowitz__

the bot used to have a !google function

schestowitz__

then google broke it

schestowitz__

Old_Man: with cgi maybe

schestowitz__

some server lacks support for it

DaemonFC[m]

Gemini does sound like it fixes up the glaring issues from gopher and then makes it deliberately impossible to extend.

schestowitz__

cookies are not there

schestowitz__

it uses other methods for sessions

DaemonFC[m]

It just kind of does what it does and then gets the hell out, and that's nice in fact.

Old_Man

Yep, sessions are way better in gemini

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schestowitz__

but each request is a new session, maybe you can chain them

schestowitz__

all this is still early stages, sort of open ended, standardisation will happen "soon"

DaemonFC[m]

There's no technical reason why "web" browsers can't implement Gemini. Maybe Brave will.

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: yes, it discourages extensions

schestowitz__

to avid client/browser monopolies

schestowitz__

or monocultures

schestowitz__

it's better ttha gopher

schestowitz__

tls, utf-8/unicode..

DaemonFC[m]

The web finally gets so bad that you have to make one that implements important features and is frozen in place.

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: yes, I was expecting brave to

schestowitz__

see what brendan eich wrote when mozilla canned gopher

schestowitz__

lots of comments from him in:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 388195 - Remove gopher protocol support for Firefox

schestowitz__

bbl

schestowitz__

got a video to publish now

schestowitz__

brave has ipfs support btw

schestowitz__

ipfs is more complicated to support

schestowitz__

as you need to enlist self to a swarm

schestowitz__

gemini clients can be implemented in like 50 lines of code

schestowitz__

I did ddos protection tool for it in about 40 lines of code

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/dr-seuss-books-cease-publication-trnd/index.html

DaemonFC[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-6 Dr. Seuss books won't be published anymore because they portray people in 'hurtful and wrong' ways - CNN

DaemonFC[m]

Now Cancel Culture gets to Dr. Seuss.

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MinceR

"Smoking is not good for you, and it's been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal."

Mar 02 17:25

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Mar 02 17:25

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’GatoKeeper’/ #IPKat ( #AstraZeneca ) Still Suppressing and Censoring the Public Views or Internal EPO Talks About #EPO #Corruption • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/02/gatokeeper/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/02/gatokeeper/

Mar 02 17:28

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘GatoKeeper’/IP Kat (AstraZeneca) Still Suppressing and Censoring the Public Views or Internal EPO Talks About EPO Corruption | Techrights

Mar 02 17:28

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DaemonFC[m]

<MinceR ""Smoking is not good for you, an"> The patriarchal state.

DaemonFC[m]

Pretty much only an idiot would smoke.

DaemonFC[m]

But banning things causes people to get them anyway somehow.

DaemonFC[m]

Even the most well intentioned law will backfire somehow when it gets between a market for something and people who want it.

Mar 02 17:32

DaemonFC[m]

The state pretty much gave up trying to ban cigarettes and makes them expensive as fuck and has a quitters line and forces insurance to pay for smoking cessation therapy and nicotine patches and stuff.

DaemonFC[m]

Because all you can really do is try to encourage people to give up. Saying "You can't buy that." just leads to black markets.

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DaemonFC[m]

It shows that the government isn't completely stupid.

DaemonFC[m]

It takes them decades to learn this though.

DaemonFC[m]

And we have other bans that they pretend work.

MinceR

they've failed to learn this for centuries

MinceR

consider the "war on drugs" that's still ongoing

DaemonFC[m]

It's only now starting to ease up.

DaemonFC[m]

Marijuana is totally legal in like 20-ish states now. Something like that.

DaemonFC[m]

Over 30 as medicinal.

DaemonFC[m]

Oregon just passed decriminalization of small amounts of any drug.

Mar 02 17:35

DaemonFC[m]

It took a very long time for states to go "You know, all this ever did was cost us money.".

Mar 02 17:35

techrights-bot

Sellout sites that USED to cover "LINUX" nowadays publish SPAM, for loose change... what's your target audience? #microsoft employees? GNU/Linux users? Can't do both. No wonder those sites are dying.

Mar 02 17:35

Old_Man

Small towns certainly do enjoy stealing money from the motorists they pull over, as "civil asset forfeiture" though.

DaemonFC[m]

DaemonFC[m]

Oh look, they all have an IP address in the Netherlands now.

DaemonFC[m]

How does that work?

https://youtu.be/u7LOljirF6g

techrights-bot

Silly sites. Thinking you can promote #microsoft lies and still keep an audience of people who actually use #gnu #linux is a fantasy. Like thinking you can praise both #biden and #trump ... those people (the people who vote for either candidate) hate the others' guts.

Mar 02 17:38

techrights-bot

Lots of #ibm #redhat puff pieces from this site. Is IBM a paying client (sponsor of the reports about itself)? https://www.itprotoday.com/hybrid-cloud/red-hats-2021-open-source-survey-whos-using-software-and-why

Mar 02 17:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | Red Hat's 2021 Open Source Survey: Who's Using the Software and Why | IT Pro

Mar 02 17:40

techrights-bot

What kind of 'news' paper is the Washington Post? A paper that cannot criticise its owner's company. #corruptMedia

Mar 02 17:41

techrights-bot

The suppression of comments critical of the #EPO ‘s administration (especially #corruption scandals surrounding #AntónioCampinos and #BenoîtBattistelli ) is a real problem • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/02/gatokeeper/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/02/gatokeeper/

Mar 02 17:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘GatoKeeper’/IP Kat (AstraZeneca) Still Suppressing and Censoring the Public Views or Internal EPO Talks About EPO Corruption | Techrights

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Mar 02 17:46

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Highly malicious #patentTroll #Sisvel making the usual mess in #germany https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/sisvel-vs-haier-federal-court-raises-bar-for-implementers-in-sep-disputes/ #de ruined by parasitic entities

Mar 02 17:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Sisvel vs. Haier: Federal court raises bar for implementers in SEP disputes - JUVE Patent

Mar 02 17:46

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"Rain’s US Patent 9,805,349 covers a method for delivering apps via a computer network using a webstore and server authentication" = #swpats = #fakepatents https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/claim-construction-module.html

Mar 02 17:47

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | In Claim Construction: Module Means Means | Patently-O

Mar 02 17:47

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#LibreOffice 7.1 Finally Available to Install via #Ubuntu PPA http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148323#comment-28476

Mar 02 17:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice Documentation and Guides | Tux Machines

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-🍎: The more things change, the more they stay the same 😂 😂 😂 - YouTube

Mar 02 17:57

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#KDE Plasma 5.21.2 Update Re-Enabled Key Repeat by Default, Improves System Settings • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148328 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Mar 02 17:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.21.2 Update Re-Enabled Key Repeat by Default, Improves System Settings | Tux Machines

Mar 02 17:59

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My First Week of #Librem5 Convergence • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148327 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My First Week of Librem 5 Convergence | Tux Machines

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#KDE Plasma 5.21.2, Bugfix Release for March • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148326 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.21.2, Bugfix Release for March | Tux Machines

WTH?!?! https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/dr-seuss-books-cease-publication-trnd/index.html

techrights-bot

The #corruptMedia now erupts into another "bill gates says" frenzy. The expert and guru uses this and that. Who cares? Who is he? When will he go back to college and actually graduate? When will he be arrested for decades of crimes? Anything to spam the media with fluff...

Mar 02 18:02

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Updated #Portal2 Vulkan Rendering Code Yielding Great #Radeon Results • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148329 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Mar 02 18:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updated Portal 2 Vulkan Rendering Code Yielding Great Radeon Results | Tux Machines

Mar 02 18:05

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Mar 02 18:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-6 Dr. Seuss books won't be published anymore because they portray people in 'hurtful and wrong' ways - CNN

Mar 02 18:07

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"The #Ubuntu in the wild blog post ropes in the latest highlights about Ubuntu and Canonical around the world on a bi-weekly basis. It is a summary of all the things that made us feel proud to be part of this journey. What do you think of it?" https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-in-the-wild-03

Mar 02 18:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu in the wild – 2nd of March 2021 | Ubuntu

Mar 02 18:10

techrights-bot

Why is the kind of crap that assures I'll never touch #ubuntu again https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-completes-azure-arc-kubernetes-validation-program #microsoft #surveillance #crime #canonical

Mar 02 18:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canonical completes Azure Arc Validation Program, helps increase user confidence in Arc enabled production Kubernetes | Ubuntu

Mar 02 18:12

mjg59

The publisher of some books that feature racist stereotypes has voluntarily chosen to stop publishing them, and that warrants a "WTH?!?!"?

Mar 02 18:12

techrights-bot

#Canonical has been boosting #Microsoft for years and it closed bug #1 which basically means they don't wish to actually replace #Windows also see http://techrights.org/2021/02/15/cancel-canonical/

Mar 02 18:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cancel Canonical? | Techrights

Mar 02 18:14

techrights-bot

#canonical : #ubuntu is now #debian because we rebranded it. Also: Ubuntu isn't Windows but now a component of Windows, WSL. Which nobody uses... http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/

Mar 02 18:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | Techrights

Mar 02 18:15

Old_Man

mjg59: if they stop anyone else from publishing it as well (by appealing to a government-granted monopoly, like copyright), then yes, that warrants a "WTH".

Mar 02 18:18

Old_Man

Using force (even if it's the force of the government) to silence speech is bad.

Mar 02 18:19

Old_Man

As the character from "Game of Thrones" said: "If you tear out a man's tongue, that doesn't mean he is lying. It just means you fear what he might say."

Mar 02 18:19

techrights-bot

#IBM Begins Adding #GCC Support For Z Arch14 - Likely IBM z16 - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=IBM-Z-Arch14-GCC •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧

Mar 02 18:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM Begins Adding GCC Support For Z Arch14 - Likely IBM z16 - Phoronix

Mar 02 18:20

techrights-bot

"Why would they do that? Now that #Qt Company is no longer putting out LTS releases for open source users, how could anyone base a big project like #KDE on a constantly moving target?" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1241962-qt-6-1-beta-released-with-porting-more-modules-to-qt6

Mar 02 18:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Qt 6.1 Beta Released With Porting More Modules To Qt6 - Phoronix Forums

Mar 02 18:22

techrights-bot

"I think they will eventually have to bite the bullet and fork Qt for their own sanity. That, or at least keep their own GPL-only patch set for whatever Qt release is chosen to base KDE releases on. Let Qt Company go off and support their proprietary embedded stuff on their own." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1241962-qt-6-1-beta-released-with-porting-more-modules-to-qt6

Mar 02 18:22

techrights-bot

"Yeah, the question isn't about when we get #KDE 6 but whether #Qt6 will die eventually if no serious maintainer/company forks it. I say, Intel, Google and Canonical should fund this." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1241962-qt-6-1-beta-released-with-porting-more-modules-to-qt6

Mar 02 18:23

techrights-bot

This is more of a #surveillance industry (spying on people's health, harvesting data and sellint it) than "fitness industry" https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-mcus-a-perfect-development-platform-for-the-fitness-industry

Mar 02 18:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Qt for MCUs – A perfect development platform for the fitness industry

mjg59

Old_Man: I agree that copyright monopolies are an issue that restricts access to culturally relevant material, but surely nobody should be compelled to continue publishing material they no longer want to publish

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#Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148330 •●• #Google#Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

Old_Man

mjg59, exactly. The ethical thing to do is to drop all claim to ownership.

techrights-bot

#Mozilla Open Policy & Advocacy Blog: India’s new intermediary liability and digital media regulations will harm the open #internet https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2021/03/02/indias-new-intermediary-liability-and-digital-media-regulations-will-harm-the-open-internet/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | India’s new intermediary liability and digital media regulations will harm the open internet - Open Policy & Advocacy

Old_Man

mjg59, if it's public domain, then you're not being an asshole book-banner any more.

Mar 02 18:27

mjg59

Old_Man: I don't disagree, but "WTH?!?!?" about this case implies that it's different to any other case where a publisher stops publishing something (which happens on a daily basis)

Mar 02 18:27

Old_Man

And there are many, many of us who think it's unethical for *any* such out-of-print works not to be public domain.

Mar 02 18:28

Old_Man

Or even in-print works more than 7 years old.

Mar 02 18:28

MinceR

it's unethical for Imaginary Property to exist in the first place

Mar 02 18:31

techrights-bot

#IBM : we speak for "Open Source" (also, we're #proprietarySoftware company and we outsource the source code to proprietary GitHub/Microsoft) https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/state-enterprise-open-source-2021-four-results-may-surprise-you

Mar 02 18:35

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | The State of Enterprise Open Source 2021: Four results that may surprise you

Mar 02 18:35

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New #GarudaLinux “Hawk Eagle” Released With LibreWolf Browser https://fossbytes.com/new-garuda-linux-hawk-eagle-released-with-librewolf-browser/ #gnu #linux

Mar 02 18:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com | New Garuda Linux "Hawk Eagle" Released With LibreWolf Browser

Mar 02 18:37

techrights-bot

#microsoft delivering #malware again, but the media (actually a Microsoft propaganda site) does not mention Microsoft! https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/malicious-npm-packages-target-amazon-slack-with-new-dependency-attacks/ similar to: http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/

Mar 02 18:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Malicious NPM packages target Amazon, Slack with new dependency attacks

Mar 02 18:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHub is Microsoft’s Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonical’s Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly It’s Ubuntu’s Fault? | Techrights

Mar 02 18:38

Old_Man

MinceR: I'm friendly to any viewpoint that restricts government-granted monopoly from 0 to 7 years. MAYYYYYBEEEE 14 years if they claim that they want to uphold the other values of the founding of the US as well. But anything more than that is always, always, always, without exception, just rent-seeking behavior.

Mar 02 18:40

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Games: Hack Grid, Godot Engine, #StereoKit , #MirroredPawns • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148332 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Hack Grid, Godot Engine, StereoKit, Mirrored Pawns | Tux Machines

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Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148333 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

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#Python Developers Survey 2020 Results | JetBrains: Developer Tools for Professionals and Teams ⇨ https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/python-developers-survey-2020/ •●• #jetbrains

Mar 02 18:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Python Developers Survey 2020 Results | JetBrains: Developer Tools for Professionals and Teams

Mar 02 18:42

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This is the sort of #proprietarySoftware that #gnu #linux should sweep users AWAY from https://www.linuxuprising.com/2021/03/official-evernote-application-for-linux.html

Mar 02 18:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuprising.com | Official Evernote Application For Linux Available For Download (Beta) - Linux Uprising Blog

Mar 02 18:43

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#Mozilla is moving in a bad direction that serves Windows, not standards of the Web or software freedom https://ahal.ca/blog/2021/mozilla-build-windows-terminal/

Mar 02 18:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ahal.ca | A Better Terminal for Mozilla Build | Hunting the Shmoo

Mar 02 18:45

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● NEWS ● #FortranLang #Fortran #programming ☞ Fortran newsletter: March 2021 https://fortran-lang.org/newsletter/2021/03/01/Fortran-Newsletter-March-2021/

Mar 02 18:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortran-lang.org | Fortran newsletter: March 2021 - Fortran Programming Language

Mar 02 18:55

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#IBM / #RedHat Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148334 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines

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Security Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148335 •●• #TuxMachines

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Links 2/3/2021: #KDE #Plasma 5.21.2, #Qt 6.1 Beta, Refund of Pre-installed #Windows • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/02/refund-of-pre-installed-windows/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/02/refund-of-pre-installed-windows/

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#CoreELEC 19.0 “Matrix” Linux Distro Released for Amlogic Hardware Based on #Kodi 19 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148337 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

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Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148340 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

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Mar 02 19:21

DaemonFC[m]

<mjg59 "Old_Man: I don't disagree, but ""> Some asshole gets offended and instead of telling them they don't have to read it, the publisher makes everyone else suffer.

Mar 02 19:44

mjg59

Or, alternatively, a publisher of books aimed at children decides that publishing books containing racist stereotypes isn't a great thing to do

Mar 02 19:52

DaemonFC[m]

Like what happened with GIna Carano. First they destroyed her then they pressure people to fire everyone who has ever dated her.

Mar 02 19:52

DaemonFC[m]

Even if she is some psycho bitch, I mean....few people haven't had a lapse in judgment and dated someone they regret wasting a portion of their life on. I mean, they broke up apparently.

Mar 02 19:53

DaemonFC[m]

You have to be careful with these Cancel Culture assholes.

Mar 02 19:54

DaemonFC[m]

Once they get something they want more.

Mar 02 19:54

DaemonFC[m]

It's not enough that they're miserable and useless. I mean, some lady in Michigan tried to get Married With Children canceled and all that happened was they wrote jokes about her into the show.

Mar 02 19:55

DaemonFC[m]

Today, people would definitely get it yanked off the air for some reason. Maybe Al's jokes about fat women.

Mar 02 19:56

DaemonFC[m]

People should just pirate and share the banned Dr. Seuss books with other parents.

Mar 02 19:57

DaemonFC[m]

This is an excellent example of how the left tries to control how we are allowed to think, and why pirates preserve things that book burners try to destroy.

Mar 02 19:58

mjg59

Is choosing to stop publishing a book that contains racist stereotypes better or worse than choosing to stop publishing a book because you have a contractual dispute with the author?

Mar 02 19:58

DaemonFC[m]

There's plenty of things that are just a product of their time.

Mar 02 19:58

DaemonFC[m]

A whining wuss like you might not get it, but most adults do.

mjg59

Does something being a product of their time mean that a publisher should be compelled to continue publishing it?

DaemonFC[m]

Everything that stops being published should go into the public domain immediately so that others can.

mjg59

I agree!

DaemonFC[m]

Failing that, people should pirate it to preserve copies.

mjg59

That doesn't answer my question

DaemonFC[m]

They'll continue asserting copyright on it even though they won't sell it.

mjg59

They will!

mjg59

That still doesn't answer my question

DaemonFC[m]

So the Cancel Culture is taking advantage of bad copyright laws to censor.

mjg59

Voluntarily choosing not to publish something is censorship?

Mar 02 20:01

DaemonFC[m]

If you continue to assert the copyright, then yes.

Mar 02 20:01

DaemonFC[m]

If they release those particular books into the public domain, then no.

Mar 02 20:01

DaemonFC[m]

This is what happens with feminists. It all started with third wave feminism, really.

Mar 02 20:02

mjg59

Ok cool

Mar 02 20:02

DaemonFC[m]

These idiots that demand stuff be canceled so that others can't read or watch or listen to it.

mjg59

So the bad thing here is that they're not releasing it into the public domain, not that they stopped publishing it?

DaemonFC[m]

Same folks who sit around demanding free shit from the state.

DaemonFC[m]

Student Loan Forgiveness so they no longer have to deal with shitty consequences for studying reverse racism and underwater basket weaving.

DaemonFC[m]

You people are the reason Trump ever happened.

Mar 02 20:04

DaemonFC[m]

Nobody else wants to sit around and entertain this, so they elected a troll.

Mar 02 20:04

DaemonFC[m]

He did plenty of other damage while he was in there trolling.

Mar 02 20:04

DaemonFC[m]

I'm certain that when you look at right-wing nationalist movements spreading over other countries, there's similar issues.

DaemonFC[m]

Resentment at having to pay taxes to pay for other people's poor life choices.

mjg59

I'm still struggling to understand your position here

DaemonFC[m]

Voting for people you think will piss off the idiots all the time.

mjg59

Publishers stop publishing stuff all the time

mjg59

While still asserting copyright

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe if we stop talking about all the underwater basket loan forgiveness then other people can afford to eek out a living. Maybe people should have pondered 6% interest and no bankruptcy before they wiggled the pen around.

DaemonFC[m]

Started paying fees for some Communist brainwashing camp they call a university.

DaemonFC[m]

Mystery fees, in many cases.

DaemonFC[m]

"Facility fees. Computer fee. Junk student healthcare that doesn't cover anything but costs $1,500. This is nice....".

Mar 02 20:07

DaemonFC[m]

Only an idiot would sign those forms and then pay that to get something worthless.

Mar 02 20:07

DaemonFC[m]

<mjg59 "While still asserting copyright"> Yeah, copyright is just terrible.

Mar 02 20:07

DaemonFC[m]

In many ways. It can suppress ideas, which is what we're talking about.

DaemonFC[m]

If you can stop people from thinking about things, they're easier to manipulate.

DaemonFC[m]

But crooked college professors use it too, along with DRM.

mjg59

Is choosing to stop publishing a book that contains racist stereotypes better or worse than choosing to stop publishing a book because you have a contractual dispute with the author?

DaemonFC[m]

Oh here, you need this book, and it's my book, and I changed it just enough that if you find a used copy you'll get some answers wrong, and don't bother looking for a used copy because DRM.

Mar 02 20:09

DaemonFC[m]

That's a $150 book btw.

Mar 02 20:09

DaemonFC[m]

Don't worry. 6% interest. Just roll it into the loan. That's all of 4 years from now!

Mar 02 20:09

DaemonFC[m]

Besides, with $400 facility fees, and $10,000 tuition, it's a minor issue at best.

mjg59

I can't buy a new copy of Word Perfect 6

DaemonFC[m]

<mjg59 "I can't buy a new copy of Word P"> I don't know why you would.

mjg59

Maybe I liked the UI better than on any of the later versions

DaemonFC[m]

It seems the only thing that is in demand are Microsoft and compatible enough with Microsoft.

mjg59

Is choosing to stop publishing a book that contains racist stereotypes better or worse than choosing to stop publishing Word Perfect 6?

DaemonFC[m]

<mjg59 "Maybe I liked the UI better than"> Well, you could pirate it, and put it in a virtual machine, and pirate the operating system and the virtual machine, I guess.

mjg59

Sure, and you'll be able to pirate old Dr Seuss books

mjg59

Why are people not complaining about Word Perfect 6 being cancelled?

Mar 02 20:12

DaemonFC[m]

Because it's not censorship. It was supplanted by other programs that do the same thing.

Mar 02 20:12

mjg59

They do similar things, not the same thing

Mar 02 20:12

DaemonFC[m]

That's like saying why isn't it equally bad that FhG stopped making a program that produces MP3s.

Mar 02 20:13

DaemonFC[m]

We have other programs that do the same job, so we don't need that particular program anymore.

Mar 02 20:13

mjg59

We have other Dr Seuss books

Mar 02 20:13

mjg59

Children are equally entertained by them

DaemonFC[m]

Well, I think the point of those books was to be educational.

mjg59

I never read any of the ones that they've dropped, and I seem to have been educated anyway

mjg59

So we have other ways of educating people as well

mjg59

So we don't need these particular books anymore

DaemonFC[m]

Yes, but they may miss lessons that the other books were trying to teach.

mjg59

Which lessons were unique to these books?

DaemonFC[m]

I might actually pirate them to see what the hell is so bad instead of hearing CNN scream accusations.

DaemonFC[m]

Oh snap.

DaemonFC[m]

Now because they called attention to it, I will be exposed to these ideas.

DaemonFC[m]

Ruh roh!

MinceR

streisand effect :>

Mar 02 20:16

DaemonFC[m]

Yes MinceR , and the funny thing is that I was not interested in Dr. Seuss at all before this. I mean, I remember dad used to buy some and read them to me from Waldenbooks.

Mar 02 20:17

mjg59

Literally nobody's saying you can't expose yourself to racist stereotypes if you want to?

Mar 02 20:17

mjg59

A publisher decided that they didn't want to publish them

Mar 02 20:17

DaemonFC[m]

<mjg59 "Which lessons were unique to the"> I'll inform you of what I come up with after this torrent gets done.

Mar 02 20:18

DaemonFC[m]

At least some of them are in here.

Mar 02 20:18

DaemonFC[m]

I'll probably just keep seeding this indefinitely.

Mar 02 20:18

DaemonFC[m]

It's well known that people were pretty pissed off at the Japanese back then.

Old_Man

What CNN published, did not contain any racist stereotypes.

DaemonFC[m]

Can't imagine why.

Old_Man

They contained some stereotypes, but not racist. That is a made-up accusation.

DaemonFC[m]

It's good to look at the photos of the surrender.

Mar 02 20:20

Old_Man

One or two were ***racial*** stereotypes, but most were ***cultural*** stereotypes.

Mar 02 20:20

DaemonFC[m]

You can tell that they were utterly defeated in every sense of the word.

Mar 02 20:20

Old_Man

Another term for "cultural stereotypes" is just, "culture."

DaemonFC[m]

They were treated much more harshly than the Germans (unless they were directly tied to the Holocaust and then we hanged most of them).

mjg59

Depicting asians as having yellow skin is racist

Old_Man

No it isn't.

mjg59

Sure it is

mjg59

It's deliberately dehumanising

mjg59

It's intended to accentuate differences

Old_Man

No it isn't "deliberately dehumanising."

Old_Man

That's just a false accusation.

MinceR

02 212202 < mjg59> It's intended to accentuate differences

Old_Man

Here's a little something to help you make sure you're using your words correctly: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Racist | Definition of Racist by Merriam-Webster

MinceR

so caricatures are racist and deliberately dehumanizing too?

Old_Man

"Accentuating differences" does nothing to place one race over another.

MinceR

is depicting caucasians as having white skin racist as well?

Old_Man

Especially if those differences really do exist in the real world.

mjg59

schestowitz__: Good work, you've cultivated an excellent community here

Old_Man

I realize it's popular among members of a certain political brainwashing cult to use "racist" to mean, "anyone who knows more about economics than us," but the other 2/3 of the country (or more) doesn't buy that usage.

Mar 02 20:24

DaemonFC[m]

They don't have yellow skin in If I Ran the Zoo.

Mar 02 20:24

DaemonFC[m]

They all look the same, but then there's also a group of white people that all look the same.

Mar 02 20:24

Old_Man

It's like they took notes from George Orwell's "1984" and said, "hey, we should redefine words like they do!" and then they went on to say, "let's have 'two minutes' hate' of raging against political enemies, with no intelligent conversation, like they do!"

Mar 02 20:25

DaemonFC[m]

<Old_Man ""Accentuating differences" does "> No, it doesn't.

Mar 02 20:26

DaemonFC[m]

There's nothing in this book that suggests one race or the other is inferior, at all.

Mar 02 20:26

Old_Man

That's what I said. "does nothing." :)

Mar 02 20:26

DaemonFC[m]

I'm not seeing anything wrong here except some liberals always have to be pissed about something.

mjg59

Ok, let's start from the beginning. Why are east asians occasionally depicted as having yellow skin?

DaemonFC[m]

Someone did an excellent job converting these to PDF, I might add.

mjg59

It's not because their skin is yellow

Old_Man

To show that a physical trait of that phenotype has more pigmentation than, say, europeans, but less pigmentation than, say, africans.

mjg59

So why yellow, rather than light brown?

DaemonFC[m]

Well, that has nothing to do with Seuss because he didn't color in the skin of anyone.

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe trying to avoid the racism he's being slandered with years after he died and cannot defend himself.

Old_Man

yellow *is* a form of light brown.

mjg59

In the same way that grey is a form of white, sure

DaemonFC[m]

It's going to be impossible to draw people of different races without someone screaming racism.

mjg59

But choosing yellow rather than something we'd describe as brown was a conscious choice

Old_Man

Yes, paint store clerks sell many many variations of light gray that are generally referred to as "white."

mjg59

Why?

DaemonFC[m]

Which is why they are screaming about racist pancakes.

DaemonFC[m]

And racist syrup.

DaemonFC[m]

And racist rice.

Old_Man

I would imagine it's because there were limited pigment choices in early color printing technologies.

DaemonFC[m]

Then these folks wonder why everyone hates them and says they're idiots.

Mar 02 20:30

DaemonFC[m]

There was a petition circulating among black people that wanted them to keep Aunt Jemima.

Mar 02 20:30

Old_Man

And it's carried over to the present day, where yellow skin tone in emojis means, "no biggie, whatever, phenotype is irrelevant to the point we're making here."

Mar 02 20:30

DaemonFC[m]

Nobody listened to it. White people became concerned it was racist and demanded a solution without consulting the black community and asking if the majority of them were offended in a poll or something.

Mar 02 20:31

Old_Man

And for 2/3 of the US, yellow skin tone is innocuous and meaningless and conveys, "phenotype is irrelevant to the point we're making here."

Mar 02 20:31

DaemonFC[m]

Also, Garrett is overlooking the fact that there's never been a perfect color of, say, crayon, to draw skin tone in.

mjg59

You might imagine that! It's not true, though - they were described as yellow in text before being drawn that way

DaemonFC[m]

At one point they were calling peach "flesh" and I'm sure if anyone cared if white people thought things were racist, some white person could say "We don't look like that!".

Old_Man

DaemonFC[m]: take it one step further. There isn't actually a "black community" to consult, except in the minds of bigots.

DaemonFC[m]

Well, sure there is, insofar as there can be one.

Mar 02 20:33

DaemonFC[m]

You find black neighborhoods, black churches....

Mar 02 20:33

DaemonFC[m]

You ask some people there what they think maybe?

Mar 02 20:33

DaemonFC[m]

There's no law that says black people have to go to a black church.

DaemonFC[m]

Many do anyway.

mjg59

People from modern China and Japan were largely described as white in earlier texts

mjg59

The move to calling them "yellow" came later, as they were lumped in with other populations

DaemonFC[m]

mjg59: I'll have to ask my husband if he's offended by this.

DaemonFC[m]

He's Asian you know...

DaemonFC[m]

At least I can ask him what he thinks.

Old_Man

"Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion." -Mohamad Safa

DaemonFC[m]

Like, maybe instead of being offended FOR someone else, you could like....ask some of them if they feel offended?

DaemonFC[m]

It's degrading to say that you have to speak for them to say they're offended without consulting.

Mar 02 20:36

mjg59

It was part of a process of more strongly defining whiteness as the preferable state, and so wanting to take whiteness away from people that had previously been considered white

Mar 02 20:36

Old_Man

Heh, that reminds me of a time there was controversy over the team name of the Washington Redskins... and I was on a motorcycle ride through the Four Corners area, where Utah/Colorado/Arizona/New Mexico meet. The high school ***on the reservation*** had the team name, "Redskins." :D

Mar 02 20:37

mjg59

(similar to the way that jewishness has at various points been seen as a disqualification for whiteness)

Mar 02 20:37

mjg59

So no, it's not because they just didn't have appropriate skin pigments available in early printing

Mar 02 20:38

Old_Man

Sure it is. That claim is just as valid as all others, and especially more valid when others are made *as a form of accusation* without evidence.

mjg59

It's literally not just as valid as all others, because it's not supported by historical evidence?

Old_Man

Accusations always need to be accompanied with evidence; otherwise Hitchens's Razor is in effect.

DaemonFC[m]

I think if Asian people in general are going "That's pretty fucked up." it deserves discussion.

DaemonFC[m]

But what I'm getting here is just a sense that this is more white guilt shit.

Old_Man

The idea of "assuming guilt as axiomatic" as part of postmodernist philosophy is widely accepted when it's used against non-postmodernists, but when it's aimed *back at* postmodernists, man, you should see them melt the fuck down! :D

http://democrateconomics.com/cdpt/

Old_Man

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-democrateconomics.com | Critical Democrat Pedophile Theory - Democrat Economics

MinceR

02 212706 < DaemonFC[m]> I'm not seeing anything wrong here except some liberals always have to be pissed about something.

Mar 02 20:41

MinceR

they're not liberals, they're authoritarians

Mar 02 20:41

Old_Man

"We'Re NoT PeDoPhIlEs!" -People who proudly assumed guilt as axiomatic when *they* were making accusations against their political opponents

Mar 02 20:42

mjg59

East asians weren't described as yellow until Linnaeus

Mar 02 20:42

mjg59

But it still wasn't a common term until the 19th century

Mar 02 20:42

Old_Man

But we're talking about a specific instance here. We're talking about Dr. Seuss.

Mar 02 20:43

DaemonFC[m]

Eh, some people accuse gay men of being pedophiles because, I mean, it's a scandalous accusation even if it doesn't apply.

Mar 02 20:43

Old_Man

He did, in fact, author some propaganda cartoons during WWII, so if there is some evidence that his depictions are the result of actual racism (by the dictionary definition), it should be easy to find.

Mar 02 20:43

Old_Man

But, in the absence of such evidence, and when CNN's examples of "wrongthink" are not racist, the assumption is of innocence of the accusation, until you bring something that actually exemplifies racism.

Mar 02 20:44

DaemonFC[m]

There's a two-tiered system in how society treats those too.

Mar 02 20:44

mjg59

The suggestion isn't that Seuss himself was racist (he may or may not have been, it's pretty irrelevant here)

Mar 02 20:44

DaemonFC[m]

When it's a guy it's "Gross. Lock him up forever!".

mjg59

The issue is whether the stereotypes he made use of were in themselves racist

Old_Man

No it's not irrelevant. That's the point of making accusations.

DaemonFC[m]

When it's a woman, "Oh yeah, she's hot. Kid probably wanted it!".

mjg59

And in this case it's pretty clear that they are!

DaemonFC[m]

So it's another example of how nobody cares how you feel about something if you're white, and they really don't like white men.

Old_Man

Only to those who have demonstrated that they don't know what the word "racist" means.

DaemonFC[m]

If you're white and a man, you're definitely a pedophile and quite possibly a Nazi as well.

MinceR

the point is not whether there's anything actually racist in there

MinceR

the point is to find something, anything, to be outraged about

MinceR

and to burn books and cancel people

DaemonFC[m]

Or is it definitely a Nazi and maybe a pedophile?

DaemonFC[m]

I never can remember.

mjg59

The only outraged people I see here are the ones complaining that a publisher chose to stop publishing some books

MinceR

crybullies put people down to make themselves feel better about themselves

DaemonFC[m]

The publisher didn't just decide to do that.

MinceR

mjg59: maybe you should have invited the suits from the publisher, then

DaemonFC[m]

They're being coerced.

MinceR

and whomever whined to them about it

Old_Man

mjg59, you didn't see the news article linked earlier about the reason *why* the publisher stopped publishing the books?

mjg59

Yes

Old_Man

mjg59, would you like me to find that link and copy-and-paste it to you, so you can see which outrage DaemonFC[m] is talking about?

mjg59

I saw the article

mjg59

I see nobody being outraged about anything

Old_Man

It would be immensely valuable for you to understand the topic of conversation before attempting to join the conversation. :D

mjg59

Would you like to point at the specific instances of outrage?

DaemonFC[m]

These fucking assholes are taking everything away.

Old_Man

Yes: the decision to stop publishing those books, in the link that was provided earlier.

DaemonFC[m]

Elmer Fudd, who is a hunter, cannot have a gun.

Old_Man

Would you like me to find the link and copy-and-paste it to you?

mjg59

Because the only thing I see there is text from a study published two years ago

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe they'll go back and ban the episodes already made many years ago too.

DaemonFC[m]

Because gun!

Old_Man

mjg59, the "study" is an opinion piece that gets the definition of "racist" wrong, and is therefore an example of "outrage."

mjg59

I think you're redefining "outrage"

Old_Man

Is that bad now?

Old_Man

Or is redefining words still okay with you?

Old_Man

Orwellians are always so confusing. :D

MinceR

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mjg59

The study is a peer reviewed piece in an academic journal

Old_Man

So was the Lancet's report on Iraqi deaths in 2002.

mjg59

It presents some facts, and then draws conclusions from them

mjg59

You can disagree with the conclusions

Old_Man

That was a politically-motivated opinion piece too.

mjg59

But it's no more an opinion piece than any other piece of research

Old_Man

"Peer review" in the soft sciences just means, "I found someone who agreed with me." It does not improve objective measurability, nor replicability.

Old_Man

Yes it is.

Old_Man

The failure of the ability to objectively measure nor repeat is called out quickly in the hard sciences.

mjg59

Ha.

Old_Man

I believe there is a wikipedia article on the current "replication crisis" in the soft sciences. Would you like me to google it for you and provide you with a link?

Old_Man

Okay, I did it: here's your link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

Old_Man

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Replication crisis - Wikipedia

mjg59

I've got a PhD in genetics, I'm very familiar with this, thanks

Old_Man

Oh, you're part of the problem? :D

Mar 02 20:55

mjg59

But your argument is that an article published two years ago was sufficient outrage that a publisher was compelled to cease publishing some books?

Mar 02 21:00

DaemonFC[m]

Well, I guess I get to drive downstate at the crack of dawn on the 26th,

Mar 02 21:00

DaemonFC[m]

Walgreens app says I can't even try to reschedule COVID vaccine dose 2 now. Only cancel it. (Nope!)

Mar 02 21:00

DaemonFC[m]

For some reason, people are having no trouble being offered a first appointment but can't schedule a second one.

Mar 02 21:01

DaemonFC[m]

The state and feds have this terribly fucked up with doses that must be used for #1 or #2 even though both are exactly the same contents.

Mar 02 21:01

Old_Man

mjg59, the outrage was on both the part of the fake-scientists who attempted to redefine "racist" in an Orwellian and not-consensus-based way, and then on the part of the publisher who decided to stop publishing based on that.

Mar 02 21:02

Old_Man

The publisher was not "compelled," as you say. That's wrong. They made the decision themselves, based on the Orwellian concept of "Two Minutes' Hate." (That also has its own wikipedia article, if you're unfamiliar.)

Mar 02 21:03

mjg59

So outrage doesn't require anger any more?

MinceR

anger didn't seem to be a factor in your diagnosis

mjg59

Quite

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mjg59

Or are we using outrage in the sense of the publisher having engaged in an act that you consider outrageous?

Old_Man

Sure it is; anger and hatred against an out-group. That's what motivates people to call things "racist" that aren't actually racist.

MinceR

i'm not

Old_Man

So yes, both the fake-scientists and the publishers fit that description.

mjg59

I see no evidence whatsoever of anger here

Mar 02 21:06

Old_Man

I do. Redefining the word "racist" according to Orwellian "thoughtcrime" and "wrongthink" principles are symptoms of it.

Mar 02 21:06

mjg59

Ok, so we have fundamentally different interpretations of the same facts here

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Mar 02 21:07

mjg59

Fair enough

Mar 02 21:07

Old_Man

Perhaps you *do* need to re-read the scene from "1984" in which the hatred of the enemies of the state was propagated. Let me find that article for you.

Mar 02 21:08

Old_Man

It was an essential ingredient.

Mar 02 21:08

Old_Man

Here you go; here is the mechanism for propagating false accusations and hatred against the out-group, from the perspective of a brainwashing cult, as postmodernists have become today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_minutes_hate

Mar 02 21:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Two Minutes Hate - Wikipedia

Mar 02 21:09

mjg59

Who is the out-group in this case?

Mar 02 21:09

Old_Man

Non-postmodernists, as I said earlier. In "1984," it was enemies of the authoritarian political party. In the modern world, it has become...

Mar 02 21:10

Old_Man

The same. The enemies of the authoritarian political party.

Mar 02 21:10

mjg59

Who in the out-group is having false accusations and hatred targeted at them in this case?

Mar 02 21:11

Old_Man

Anyone who disagrees with their attempt to redefine "racism."

Mar 02 21:11

mjg59

What are the false accusations?

Mar 02 21:12

Old_Man

Are you *sure* you don't want me to find that link to the CNN article again? It contained the answer to that question!

Mar 02 21:13

mjg59

I have the tab open, thanks

Mar 02 21:13

mjg59

I'm asking what the false accusation is

Mar 02 21:13

Old_Man

Okay, there you go. Every place they've misused the term "racist" to describe an example of something in Dr. Seuss's books, is an example of such a false accusation.

Mar 02 21:14

Old_Man

But if you want more examples of *other people* in *other situtations* employing the same Orwellian "Two Minutes Hate" technique, try the book by Robin DiAngelo.

Mar 02 21:14

Old_Man

And her made-up "white collective."

Mar 02 21:14

mjg59

No, I asked what the false accusation in the article was

Mar 02 21:15

Old_Man

Oh, you *do* need a copy/paste?

Mar 02 21:15

mjg59

A paraphrase is fine

Mar 02 21:15

Old_Man

No, I'll give you a direct copy/paste: from the headline, for example:

Old_Man

they portray people in 'hurtful and wrong' ways

Old_Man

Sorry you weren't able to read as far as the headline. :D

mjg59

mjg59

How do we determine whether "hurtful and wrong" is true or false?

Old_Man

Ahhh, basic epistemology. I'm not sure I have time for it today, but would you like me to provide you with a link to a Wikipedia article about the scientific method?

Old_Man

I can also give you a link to a Wikipedia article that summarizes, and provides additional links to sources about what we call the "replication crisis" these days.

mjg59

If we find one person hurt by the depiction, is the depiction hurtful?

Old_Man

That's an example of how science is often done *wrong*.

Old_Man

I'm hurt by you asking that question.

mjg59

If you described that question as hurtful, would you be making a false accusation?

Old_Man

I'm hurt by you asking that question.

mjg59

(Assuming that you were genuinely hurt, of course)

Old_Man

I'm still hurt by you asking that question.

mjg59

Ok, so let's assume that one person being hurt by something makes it hurtful. That's a standard we can easily test.

Old_Man

I'm hurt by you making that assertion.

mjg59

Anything invalid about that from a scientific perspective?

Old_Man

I'm hurt by *that* question, too.

mjg59

My apologies. It's apparently impossible to have this discussion with you, so I'll avoid doing so.

Mar 02 21:21

Old_Man

I'm hurt by that assertion, too.

Mar 02 21:21

Old_Man

Okay, very good. That's the way it's supposed to go. Postmodernists who believe that their wittle feewings are the determiners of truth and falsehood above all else, will *always* remove themselves from every conversation in exactly this way, when their own logic is employed, and they follow it consistently.

Mar 02 21:23

Old_Man

Usually it doesn't work out that way; usually the postmodernists devolve into screaming tirades of hatred and personal attacks, exactly as depicted in the "Two Minutes' Hate" scene of "1984."

Mar 02 21:24

Old_Man

So, kudos to mjg59 for being philosophically consistent, but anti-kudos for being philosophically consistent with a philosophy that isn't useful for determining anything or solving any problems in the real world.

Mar 02 21:25

Old_Man

But, since we have found at least one feewings-uber-alles postmodernist who will employ that philosophy consistently, let's ask mjg59 to "feel" for us a cure to COVID-19.

Mar 02 21:26

mjg59

Ok, so what is your method for determining whether calling something "hurtful" is true or false?

Mar 02 21:27

Old_Man

Whether anyone provides any evidence of the hurt.

Mar 02 21:29

Old_Man

Same as anything else. Are you familiar with "Hitchens's Razor?"

Mar 02 21:29

mjg59

One person saying "I am hurt by this" would be sufficient, then?

Mar 02 21:30

Old_Man

No. Do you know the difference between an "accusation" and "evidence?"

Mar 02 21:30

mjg59

Yes

Mar 02 21:30

mjg59

Personal testimony is evidence

Mar 02 21:31

Old_Man

Does that include Julie Swetnick's "personal testimony" against Brett Kavanaugh?

Mar 02 21:31

mjg59

Yes

Mar 02 21:31

Old_Man

How about Judy Munro-Leighton's "personal testimony" against Brett Kavanaugh?

Mar 02 21:33

mjg59

I'm not sure what your point here is

https://globalnews.ca/news/4628088/brett-kavanaugh-rape-accusation-lie/

Old_Man

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testimony

mjg59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Testimony - Wikipedia

mjg59

"In the law, testimony is a form of evidence"

Old_Man

"Personal testimonies" are *often* false when they're made as part of a campaign of brainwashing hatred, as in Orwell's "Two Minutes' Hate."

mjg59

What you're saying is that you don't believe the evidence, not that it's not evidence

Mar 02 21:35

Old_Man

Right; the scientific method finds that "just making it up" leads to a replication crisis.

Mar 02 21:35

Old_Man

"Personal testimony" is not accepted as evidence.

Mar 02 21:36

mjg59

Ah, so do you mean "Whether someone provides scientific evidence of the hurt"?

Mar 02 21:36

mjg59

Rather than "Whether someone provides any evidence of the hurt"?

Mar 02 21:36

Old_Man

Isn't that the key question of thousands of rape trials in courthouses across the US?

mjg59

mjg59

Criminal guilt isn't determined by whether or not there's any evidence

Old_Man

This is why wise parents teach their children that, if they are raped, they should hurt their rapist. Fight back. Scratch, bite, make sure there's blood somewhere.

mjg59

They're determined by whether the evidence meets the bar of leaving no reasonable doubt of the defendent's guilt

Old_Man

It's *supposed* to be. That was the idea of using a jury; to work around the corruptibility and biases of one or two people.

mjg59

That doesn't alter whether personal testimony is evidence or not

Old_Man

And jurors are, in fact, instructed to weigh such evidence.

mjg59

It's a simple matter of law that it is

mjg59

So when you said "evidence", you can't have meant it in the legal sense

Mar 02 21:39

Old_Man

But left up to juries specifically because the constructors of the legal system knew that such "evidence" would be abused.

Mar 02 21:39

Old_Man

And, we see such examples every day, as in the personal testimonies of people who were proven to lie for political gain.

Mar 02 21:40

mjg59

Or maybe you meant "sufficient evidence"

Mar 02 21:40

mjg59

Either way, your initial statement would, via the literal definitions of the words you used, be satisfied by a single person saying that they felt hurt by the material in question

Mar 02 21:40

mjg59

So perhaps you'd like to rephrase it?

Mar 02 21:41

MinceR

would that work the other way around too?

Mar 02 21:41

Old_Man

Nah, I think it's fine. I believe your evasion, when I asked you about Kavanaugh's accuser, showed that you understood that such evidence could not be relied upon.

Mar 02 21:41

mjg59

Oh, it was evidence

mjg59

In the circumstances, it was not evidence that should be given much weight

Old_Man

No, pure fictions that people make up out of political hatred are not "evidence."

mjg59

They literally are

Old_Man

Then, I accuse you of molesting me when I was a child.

mjg59

Sure, your statement is evidence

Old_Man

My evidence is my personal testimony.

mjg59

Yup

mjg59

Were I to sue you for defamation, it would be up to me to convince a court that you were knowingly making a false statement

mjg59

If the entirety of your evidence were that single statement, I'd probably win

Mar 02 21:44

Old_Man

Well, I think you've very accurately represented how the reproducibility crisis did, in fact, come to be.

Mar 02 21:44

mjg59

But as a simple matter of law, your personal testimony is evidence

Mar 02 21:44

Old_Man

I was just teasing earlier, but I think you probably really *are* part of the problem.

Mar 02 21:45

mjg59

And I'm not sure why this is controversial

Mar 02 21:45

Old_Man

It's controversial because non-postmodernists use their definitions of "evidence" to arrive at conclusions that do useful things in the real world.

Mar 02 21:46

Old_Man

Prevent future crimes by known criminals, prevent the spread of COVID-19, and build planes and bridges that actually work.

Mar 02 21:46

mjg59

Do you believe that courts do not consider personal testimony to be evidence?

Mar 02 21:46

Old_Man

Juries often do not. Juries discard personal testimony every day, all across the country.

mjg59

Yes, as part of weighing the evidence

mjg59

It's still evidence

mjg59

They may just give little weight to it

DaemonFC[m]

They have to determine how credible the witness is.

mjg59

They do!

DaemonFC[m]

That's why the defense will seek to discredit the witness.

mjg59

That influences how much weight the evidence the witness provides gets

mjg59

It's still evidence

Old_Man

And they do that by comparing what the person says with... what, exactly?

Old_Man

Whether their bestie from high school agrees with them?

DaemonFC[m]

More solid evidence, inconsistencies with their own testimony or the testimony of other witnesses.

Old_Man

Whether they can find co-conspirators in their crime to agree with them?

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DaemonFC[m]

The jury also considers how they carry themselves and speak, and how they are dressed and groomed.

Old_Man

And, if there is anything that can be *confirmed* by other observers in the real world.

mjg59

Sure

mjg59

The jury will make a decision based on the totality of the evidence presented to them

mjg59

It's still all evidence

DaemonFC[m]

During the trial of Jason Van Dyke, another cop, his partner, said that on the way over there, Van Dyke said that he was hoping to kill someone that night.

mjg59

Did you read the wikipedia article I linked earlier?

DaemonFC[m]

That had to have been pretty bad, paired up with the dash and body cameras.

mjg59

It would help if you were familiar with the facts under discussion

Old_Man

Like the examples I gave from the real world, of false testimony rendered for political purposes?

Mar 02 21:51

mjg59

Yes. False statements are evidence.

Old_Man

Is there anyone who has said so in their description of the scientific method?

mjg59

Going back to my previous question:

mjg59

By "evidence", did you mean "scientific evidence"

mjg59

Because these are not the same things

Mar 02 21:53

Old_Man

No, we can agree to do it the other way around: we can agree to say "evidence" when we're talking about what's useful in the real world, and if you want to talk about a different context in which purposefully-false things count as evidence, *you* preface it with "postmodernist" instead, okay?

Mar 02 21:53

mjg59

The judicial system is postmodernist?

Old_Man

Any judicial system which solicits false statements for political purposes would be, sure.

mjg59

Do you agree that, as a matter of law, personal testimony is evidence?

Old_Man

Fortunately that did *not* happen in the case of the Kavanaugh confirmation, but that's not to say it won't in the future.

Old_Man

I'm not sure about that. Is there a source that says that false personal testimony rendered for political gain is explicitly evidence?

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Mar 02 21:56

mjg59

There are no shortage of sources that describe personal testimony as evidence

Mar 02 21:56

mjg59

Perhaps you can find one that has a more restrictive definition

Mar 02 21:57

Old_Man

Right, but we're talking about "in the real world" here. We're not talking about abstracts. Who is it, exactly, who says that false personal testimony created as a fiction for personal gain is solicited as evidence?

Mar 02 21:57

Old_Man

Is that documented in any legal system, anywhere?

Mar 02 21:58

mjg59

All personal testimony is evidence

Mar 02 21:58

mjg59

There are no carveouts

mjg59

The evidence may be demonstrated to be false, just as any other evidence may be

Old_Man

Well I mean, do you have a source to cite that says that they welcome false personal testimony created as a fiction for political gain?

Old_Man

That that's something anyone actually desires, to accomplish some purpose in the real world?

Old_Man

Because if not, we can come to an even easier agreement on how to communicate so that we can be understood, between you and me:

Mar 02 22:00

Old_Man

Unless I am talking about a work of fiction, like TV or books or a fiction story I'm working on with a friend, when I discuss real-world topics, you may assume that my sentences are all preceded by the phrase, "in the real world."

Mar 02 22:01

mjg59

I'm not sure what you mean by "welcome" here

Mar 02 22:02

Old_Man

So that excludes postmodernist epistemologies in which false personal testimonies produced as fiction for political benefit are considered "evidence."

Mar 02 22:02

mjg59

If I go into court and commit perjury, I still provided evidence. The judge should instruct the jury to disregard it.

Mar 02 22:02

Old_Man

Why would the judge instruct the jury to disregard it?

Mar 02 22:03

mjg59

Because if it was false, it should be given no weight

Mar 02 22:03

Old_Man

Why?

Mar 02 22:03

mjg59

Because this is a foundational principle of justice

Mar 02 22:04

Old_Man

Why?

Mar 02 22:04

mjg59

We wish to determine the truth of someone's guilt

Mar 02 22:06

mjg59

False evidence does not aid us in making that determination

Mar 02 22:06

Old_Man

Right. It isn't useful in the real world. It doesn't help us assign responsibility for restitution, nor does it help us prevent future crimes.

Mar 02 22:07

Old_Man

So, going forward, we'll just use the term "evidence," and if you want to talk about things that aren't useful in the real world, you can be clear in your context by saying "false evidence" or "postmodernist evidence" or "politically-motivated evidence" or something like that.

Old_Man

That way, you can communicate with the rest of the world, who want their evidence to be meaningful toward some clear end.

mjg59

No, we'll use the dictionary definition of the word

mjg59

If you mean something different, describe what you actually mean

Old_Man

We'll especially go with Merriam-Webster definition 1 a, then, in which it explicitly uses verbiage that excludes internal feewings.

Mar 02 22:09

Old_Man

Okay, glad we were able to resolve that tangent. :D

Mar 02 22:10

mjg59

The definition of "hurtful" is something that hurts someone's feelings

Mar 02 22:10

mjg59

So we kind of need to take feelings into account

Mar 02 22:10

Old_Man

That's interesting... Merriam-Webster's definition of "hurtful" doesn't say anything at all about feelings or emotions of any kind.

Mar 02 22:11

Old_Man

It's almost as if you... assumed that, as axiomatic.

Mar 02 22:11

Old_Man

That's very postmodernist of you.

Mar 02 22:11

Old_Man

And attempting to hold others to that assumption? Very Orwellian.

Mar 02 22:12

mjg59

Oxford describes it as "Causing distress to someone's feelings"

Mar 02 22:12

mjg59

Cambridge has "Causing emotional pain"

Mar 02 22:12

mjg59

Collins includes "Upsetting"

Mar 02 22:13

Old_Man

And dictionary.com doesn't.

Mar 02 22:15

mjg59

Dictionary.com says "to cause hurt", and its definitions of "hurt" include "to feel or suffer bodily or mental pain or distress"

Mar 02 22:16

mjg59

Mental distress sounds awfully like feeligns to me

Mar 02 22:16

Old_Man

I'm glad I was able to help you understand what evidence is going to be required of you, if you ever try to make such an accusation.

Mar 02 22:18

Old_Man

And why those who are making the Dr. Seuss accusations aren't being taken seriously.

Mar 02 22:19

mjg59

Ok, so what evidence do you require?

Old_Man

Hopefully this realization will help you to *not* be a part of the "replication crisis" in science, in addition to why postmodernism in culture drives things like--in today's example--the Streisand Effect.

mjg59

You still literally haven't defined it

Old_Man

Sure I have: the kind that's useful in the real world, and isn't subject to corrupting real-world-useful processes for political gain.

mjg59

What evidence demonstrates that someone's feelings are hurt?

Old_Man

I've mentioned those characteristics a few times now.

Old_Man

That's what most of the world considers to be "evidence."

Old_Man

And you're welcome to communicate with us, if you like.

Old_Man

Or, you can be part of the "replication crisis" in science, as well as culturally irrelevant. That's a choice that's open to you as well.

mjg59

People consider someone's personal testimony regarding their feelings to be evidence of their feelings

Old_Man

Not if they're clearly being used to impose some obligation on other people.

Old_Man

I mean, YES, you're probably right in your little circle of anti-science folks.

Old_Man

But, like, in the wider world, everybody's wise to that tactic now. It doesn't work any more.

Old_Man

You can thank the Kavanaugh accusers, and Jussie Smollett, and those who killed David Dorn and Chris Beaty for that.

Mar 02 22:24

mjg59

How many people need to be hurt by something for calling it "hurtful" to be truthful?

Mar 02 22:25

Old_Man

I think it's a little premature to ask that question. Show evidence of 1, and we'll see if anyone needs to care or pay attention to it from there.

Mar 02 22:25

mjg59

Do you have evidence that it's 0?

Mar 02 22:26

Old_Man

And if you're up for a little scientific experiment, you can bring your "postmodernist evidence" or "obviously politically-motivated evidence," or "false evidence," or whatever you want to call what you've been asking about, and see if you get any response from people who care about how things work in the real world to give you any response besides yawning.

Mar 02 22:27

Old_Man

I have no evidence of any hurt yet.

Mar 02 22:28

mjg59

Is absence of evidence evidence of absence?

Mar 02 22:29

Old_Man

When I didn't make a statement either way, it looks like your attempt to suddenly bring up that question is a dodge to abdicate your burden of proof.

Mar 02 22:31

Old_Man

But I'm not interested in joining your distraction in that way. So, we're going to go on with our lives, torrenting Dr. Seuss books for our kids, teaching them about the uselessness of postmodernists, and making sure they know how to resolve the replication crisis.

mjg59

What I'm saying is that you have not performed any investigation of whether or not the description of the depictions in some Dr Seuss books was "hurtful"

MinceR

and trying to save free software from crybullies

mjg59

You believe it to be false, but can't provide evidence of that

Old_Man

If you want to make yourself useful to the world, one area you might want to study is resolving the COVID-19 pandemic.

mjg59

Based on discussions I have had in the past, I believe it to be true, but can't provide evidence of that

Old_Man

But... you might want to shrug off some of those burdens of postmodernist epistemology, because, like faith-based approaches, they don't actually work.

*Old_Man clinks beer glasses with MinceR. That too.

mjg59

Dude, you're the person who disagrees with the literal definition of "evidence"

mjg59

I mean

mjg59

Come on

MinceR

Old_Man

No, no, I explicitly agreed with Merriam-Webster definition 1 a.

Old_Man

But, your attempt to reverse my position in what's known as the "Straw Man Fallacy" is not unheard-of among postmodernists.

mjg59

The term "false evidence" wouldn't exist if only truthful statements were evidence

Old_Man

So, one last wikipedia link before I go make something of value. If you read this one, your opinion may be cared about more in the future:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

Old_Man

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mjg59

Because "false evidence" would be a contradiction in terms

mjg59

You made the claim that a false accusation had been made

Mar 02 22:37

mjg59

Burden of proof is on you

Mar 02 22:37

Old_Man

Hahahahaha, so you don't know what an "accusation" is?

Mar 02 22:39

Old_Man

An "accusation" is a claim. What I called a false accusation was the initial claim, that was not substantiated by the accuser. That's where the burden of proof lies.

Mar 02 22:41

Old_Man

But... I really don't have sufficient time to explain *all* of logic and real-world-useful epistemology today, so I'm going to have to let you read that link on your own... now that you understand that the accusation was the initial claim.

Mar 02 22:41

mjg59

I didn't make the claim

mjg59

I challenged your claim

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mjg59

Do you have evidence that false accusations were made against the out-group?

Old_Man

Right, and that was illogical of you, because the challenge should have been issued to the person making the accusation, who thus bore the burden of proof.

mjg59

No, you don't

https://hugelolcdn.com/i/733558.jpg

Old_Man

So, yes, that does mean that your challenge of *me* was wasted time and effort. Sorry to have to tell you.

Mar 02 22:43

MinceR

Mar 02 22:44

Old_Man

Anyway, let me know if they ever get back to you, once you get your burden-of-proof issues worked out, and your demand for evidence pointed in the right direction.

Mar 02 22:45

mjg59

Let me know when you've figured out a mechanism for determining the truth of whether or not something was hurtful

Mar 02 22:45

Old_Man

Oh, I'm good: those of us who share a real-world-useful definition of "evidence" are just sitting and waiting for it to be fulfilled.

Mar 02 22:46

Old_Man

But we're not, ah, you know, holding our breaths or anything. :D

Mar 02 22:46

mjg59

What evidence in this case would you consider to meet your definition of real-world-useful evidence?

Mar 02 22:47

mjg59

Kind of unfair for you to ask for evidence without making it clear what would actually convince you

Mar 02 22:50

Old_Man

Would you like me to provide a link to the definition I said we could all agree on, multiple times?

Mar 02 22:51

Old_Man

I mean, having pointed it out multiple times, I am left believing that your continued asking is mere disingenuousness.

Mar 02 22:52

Old_Man

And, the fact that you attempted to reverse my words (I identified that as the "Straw Man Fallacy," above), is yet another reason why I believe that you are merely disingenuous now.

Mar 02 22:54

Old_Man

So, keep asking the same question a few more times, commit the "Straw Man Fallacy" again, maybe engage in Orwell's "Two Minutes' Hate" if you like. These are expected behaviors.

Mar 02 22:55

mjg59

No, the definition you've provided isn't sufficient

Mar 02 22:59

mjg59

It's extremely subjective

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Mar 02 23:53

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"You can follow it on Steam and try the #GNU #Linux demo on itch.io." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/try-the-demo-of-dashing-dodgems-a-frantic-and-hilarious-bumper-cars-party-game

Mar 02 23:54

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Mar 02 23:54

kingoffrance

its basically saying popularity contest means nothing re: science. either its reproducable or not

Mar 02 23:55

kingoffrance

if its just "consensus" its not science, if its science its not consensu

Mar 02 23:55

vmg32

popularity contests

techrights-bot

#KDE Plasma desktop updated to 5.21.2 in #PCLinuxOS https://www.pclinuxos.com/?p=4684 #gnu #linux

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kingoffrance

i would say science may or may not be popular, but thats irrelevant basically

kingoffrance

it could be both, but thats not determing factor/criteria/etc.

techrights-bot

"protected by end-to-end encryption." LOL! Between you and the company, not the person you speak to. #viber is still a #surveillance company, but the term "E2E(E)" is totally misused to confuse people and distract from real #privacy https://www.pclinuxos.com/?p=4682

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DaemonFC[m]

They can normally make it a requirement for soldiers to take vaccines.

DaemonFC[m]

But since the Coronavirus vaccine is not FDA approved, they can't.