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schestowitzNotice how many of these rich couples have 3 kidsAug 02 00:02
schestowitzor 4Aug 02 00:02
schestowitzlike BuffettAug 02 00:02
schestowitzdoubling in a single generationAug 02 00:02
schestowitzwhile bemoaning overpopulation on this planetAug 02 00:02
schestowitz 02 00:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opinion: If You Advocate Population Control and You Are Yourself Doubling in One Single Generation, Then You Might be Hypocritical | TechrightsAug 02 00:02
schestowitz6 kids! vAug 02 00:02
schestowitz 02 00:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Thomas J. Watson Jr. - WikipediaAug 02 00:02
schestowitzThey're like RABBITS these people...Aug 02 00:02
schestowitzand later they moan about all those poor people all over the placeAug 02 00:03
schestowitzand look for ways to draft people into cannon foddery [sic]Aug 02 00:03
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Aug 02 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'A Catastrophe': Postal Workers Warn Trump Sabotage of USPS Could Delay Mail-In Ballots and Distort Election | Common Dreams NewsAug 02 00:31
DaemonFC[m]I plan to return my ballot the same day I get it in the mail.Aug 02 00:32
DaemonFC[m]Illinois law counts them as long as they arrive by 14 days after election day.Aug 02 00:32
DaemonFC[m]The states most likely to play along with the sabotage might actually end up doing more harm to Trump than to Biden.Aug 02 00:32
DaemonFC[m]The only age group where it's even close for Trump is old people, and while many self-identified Republicans play stupid to side with Trump in what they tell a polling agent, they behave quite differently when it comes to their own health.Aug 02 00:33
DaemonFC[m]My mom for example. If a pollster asked whether she thought masks worked, she'd probably just say whatever she heard Trump saying, or if the schools should re-open. Deep down, she knows that this president is an idiot and 90% of this disaster could have been avoided had he shown any leadership at all.Aug 02 00:34
DaemonFC[m]The people who went to her church laughed and refused to wear masks and then one after another they all got each other sick, and it fanned out into the community, and of course not everyone who comes into contact with them and gets it will get it because they're a stupid dumbass. That's unfortunate, and it's collateral damage. Fortunately, people surround themselves with other people who are like minded, so most ofAug 02 00:37
DaemonFC[m]the people who end up getting this from them will be more people like them, who don't take precautions because they legitimately believe the bill of goods the Bankruptin' Chief is selling.Aug 02 00:37
DaemonFC[m]I'm firmly in the camp of "At least the people who cause it will end up suffering from it more.Aug 02 00:38
schestowitz 02 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #biden votes will be mostly protest votes, i.e. "not Trump" votes. Oligarchy prefers it when people vote not for something they want but against something they want less. #oligarchs win regardless. It's rigged. Aug 02 00:39
schestowitz 02 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Many People in the U.S. Are Hospitalized With COVID-19? Who Knows? — ProPublicaAug 02 00:40
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superkuhYes. The hospitalization numbers I have access to stopped being updated due to the DHS on the 21st.Aug 02 00:40
superkuhI have to check each county in my state manually now.Aug 02 00:41
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DaemonFC[m]It's getting worse in Illinois.Aug 02 00:43
DaemonFC[m]The daily numbers are about twice what they were 2 weeks ago, but Florida is still 10x worse.Aug 02 00:44
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Fitch just downgraded the US government's credit rating outlook.Aug 02 00:46
DaemonFC[m]If they were telling the truth, it would be rated Junk right now.Aug 02 00:47
DaemonFC[m]Europe too.Aug 02 00:47
superkuhThat seems like an emotional interpretation.Aug 02 00:47
cybrNautVietnam is the place to be.  Just had their first covid death yesterdayAug 02 00:50
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DaemonFC[m] 02 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump campaign pauses ad spending - CBS NewsAug 02 01:03
DaemonFC[m]His former campaign manager was such an idiot that he wasted almost $100 million on TV ads in places where they fell flat. Aug 02 01:04
DaemonFC[m]Trump's campaign is already having a hard time raising money because he's put so many industries that support him into bankruptcy, including many fossil fuel companies that have had mass layoffs.Aug 02 01:04
DaemonFC[m]I guess that the campaign is really running low on cash, lower than they'll admit. Maybe they even lied to the FEC to make it not so embarrassing, and now they have to pull the plug on expensive TV ads for a while so they can run something closer to the election.Aug 02 01:06
DaemonFC[m]What is there to say anyway? "I fucked up the entire country and the best shot I have is 'Sleepy Joe'!"Aug 02 01:07
DaemonFC[m]I mean, he keeps tripling down on ads that preach to the idiots who would never abandon him no matter what he's done and "attacks" that are just so idiotic and soft that they have no effect other than to make people laugh at him.Aug 02 01:08
DaemonFC[m]The strategy of paying millions of dollars to keep saying "Sleepy Joe" is rather sleepy, in and of itself. Very low energy. Weak.Aug 02 01:09
DaemonFC[m]The idea that a "strongman" can't come up with anything better than this is comedy gold.Aug 02 01:09
schestowitzcybrNaut: so they say...Aug 02 01:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: does 'Sleepy Joe' sleep with porn stars for money while the wife gives birth?Aug 02 01:10
DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, he's pouring time and energy into people who are so obviously not, and never will be, Biden's VP.Aug 02 01:11
DaemonFC[m]Does anyone honestly reckon that Biden's campaign would fail to vet someone who gave a speech at a Scientology fundraiser?Aug 02 01:11
DaemonFC[m]Because I don't believe that. Aug 02 01:11
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DaemonFC[m]The best move for Biden right now is slow walk the VP thing so that Trump keeps taking swipes at the wrong people.Aug 02 01:11
DaemonFC[m]Announce a very well vetted candidate at the last minute when it's too late for anything clever to be drawn up by the Trump campaign anyway, and there you go. His strategy of "staying in his basement" (it's a very nice basement), which is being mocked by Trump, has him up 10 points ahead of Trump. So obviously this is not a bad strategy. Sit on a pile of cash while Trump makes a fool of himself with losing andAug 02 01:14
DaemonFC[m]ridiculous ads that went nowhere (thus necessitating the firing of Trump Campaign Manager Brad Parscale) and then let loose with both barrels in the last 45 days.Aug 02 01:14
schestowitz[01:11] <DaemonFC[m]> The best move for Biden right now is slow walk the VP thing so that Trump keeps taking swipes at the wrong people.Aug 02 01:15
schestowitzLOLAug 02 01:15
kingoffranceam i wrong to say its kind of out of the ordinary for sitting incumbent to be so focussed on upcoming election?   i mean its closer now, but this has gone on for a long timeAug 02 01:15
kingoffrancei mean im sure they all are, but not so blatantlyAug 02 01:16
DaemonFC[m]I mean, it's what I would do. Right now, Biden doesn't have to be very aggressive so the money he doesn't spend keeps piling up until you clunk everyone over the head any time they turn on the TV with more "Trump is an idiot and he has ruined your country and killed your grandparents." ads.Aug 02 01:16
DaemonFC[m]<kingoffrance "am i wrong to say its kind of ou"> The Coronavirus chased the first debate out of Indiana. They were going to host it at the University of Notre Dame, but they wouldn't agree to have it there because the Coronavirus is flaring up and Mom's governor got Indiana on the Travel Ban List in the important states.Aug 02 01:17
DaemonFC[m]When you adjust for population, Indiana is about half as bad as what's going on in Florida right now. They'd have it so much worse if they had any major population centers.Aug 02 01:19
DaemonFC[m]But the entire state of Indiana is an Illinois county. So, they're more spread out whether they act like damned fools or not.Aug 02 01:20
DaemonFC[m]When I see people without masks on I go "Nope, nope, nope!" and pull Mandy 20 feet away from them along with me.Aug 02 01:21
DaemonFC[m]If they want the virus that's their problem.Aug 02 01:22
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of a small wonder that poor white counties like Huntington County, Indiana manage to look down on anything that goes on here.Aug 02 01:23
DaemonFC[m]QUICK: They're recidivists, they sling drugs that will kill you, and they frequently get charged with illegal gun while the cops are raiding them anyway.Aug 02 01:24
DaemonFC[m]I'm sorry, the answer we were looking for was Indiana. Aug 02 01:24
DaemonFC[m]I mean, how screwed up is your state when everything the cops run into is a meth lab, including the shitter at the local Walmart?Aug 02 01:24
DaemonFC[m]Maybe I just want to go in there and put like 10 toilet seat covers down and take a dump while I'm playing Angry Birds without running into a mobile meth lab. Aug 02 01:25
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans are never talking about hillbilly crank even though it will seriously screw up your shit in a matter of months.Aug 02 01:26
DaemonFC[m]They're always rambling on about marijuana, and Willie Nelson is almost 90. Aug 02 01:26
DaemonFC[m]The CEO of Men's Wearhouse smokes pot all the time. I mean, he's more successful than Donald Trump. This is only his first bankruptcy.Aug 02 01:27
DaemonFC[m]People who are morbidly obese and eating at McDonalds every day and washing it down with 12 Diet Cokes have worse stuff happen to their brain and body than people who smoke pot all the time.Aug 02 01:29
DaemonFC[m]Again, Trump.Aug 02 01:29
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XRevan86Diet Coke is a product full of mystery.Aug 02 02:36
DaemonFC[m]I admit I drink a Diet Pepsi now and then.Aug 02 02:41
DaemonFC[m]It's not like, you chugging them.Aug 02 02:41
DaemonFC[m]*you know,Aug 02 02:41
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I drink outrageous amounts of black tea during the day. I guess other people have other habits. Although frequenting carbonated drinks is… truly a bad idea.Aug 02 02:46
MinceR 02 02:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TALE OF THE TAPE: MERYL STREEP VS. DONALD TRUMP | Mad MagazineAug 02 02:57
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DaemonFC[m]I might switch to instant coffee.Aug 02 03:08
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: 02 04:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | All my homies hate imperial hierarchies 🥵😋🖕 : LateStageCapitalismAug 02 04:27
DaemonFC[m] 02 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | I hate it here. : LateStageCapitalismAug 02 04:40
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DaemonFC[m]Twitter Hack - or - When you get pwned by a 17 year old and are so embarrassed you have to file 30 charges.Aug 02 05:16
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schestowitz[05:16] <DaemonFC[m]> Twitter Hack - or - When you get pwned by a 17 year old and are so embarrassed you have to file 30 charges.Aug 02 06:30
schestowitz"he's 17... but really reallly reallllly nasty and sophisticated"Aug 02 06:31
schestowitz-every corporate repay to script kiddies running rounds on themAug 02 06:31
schestowitz*replyAug 02 06:31
DaemonFC[m] 02 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ )Aug 02 06:32
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: This is an example of a government out of control.Aug 02 06:41
DaemonFC[m]That one crime can spawn 30 separate charges.Aug 02 06:42
DaemonFC[m]Twitter has terrible account security and they hijacked some accounts and convinced idiots to send bitcoins.Aug 02 06:42
schestowitz-- 02 07:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Richard Branson Recalls 'Bizarre' Lunch With Revenge-Obsessed Trump | HuffPostAug 02 07:03
schestowitz"Richard Branson skewered Donald Trump on Friday, describing a “bizarre” meeting at some point in the past that left the British billionaire “disturbed and saddened.”"Aug 02 07:03
schestowitzOld, but still worth reminding us ofAug 02 07:03
schestowitznow he threatens ChinaAug 02 07:03
schestowitzthe biggest lender to the US afaikAug 02 07:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: speaking for myself:Aug 02 07:04
schestowitz1) I would not rely on Twitter for official commsAug 02 07:05
schestowitzalways better to rely on a siteAug 02 07:05
schestowitz2) I would not put anything private there, like DMsAug 02 07:05
schestowitz3) always assume everything will be 'out' one dayAug 02 07:05
schestowitzI chatted a lot there with Assange and WikileaksAug 02 07:05
schestowitzbut did not say anything sensitiveAug 02 07:05
schestowitzI ever republished in redacted form most of the chatsAug 02 07:06
schestowitzso there can be no "surprise!" momentAug 02 07:06
schestowitzat one point they wanted me to run one of their accountAug 02 07:06
schestowitzwhich I did not want to do, seeing what the government was already doing to anybody associated with themAug 02 07:06
schestowitz*their accountsAug 02 07:06
schestowitzit's also bad that Twitter is used so much by Twitter, a sign of hypocrisy in a sense over principles, for the sake of widespread exposureAug 02 07:07
schestowitz 02 07:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WikiLeaks - NewsAug 02 07:07
schestowitzNOT A SINGLE post this yearAug 02 07:07
schestowitzonly 6 in 2019Aug 02 07:08
schestowitzbut lots of useless twitter "tweets" with mostly mindless comments from Trump vegetable-headsAug 02 07:08
schestowitz 02 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tech Leaders and Health Authorities from Around the Globe Collaborate to Combat COVID-19Aug 02 07:10
schestowitzLF = surveillanceAug 02 07:10
schestowitzwhat an awful shameAug 02 07:11
schestowitzshows you how co-opted "LINUX" usAug 02 07:11
schestowitzwhen the GNU project or GNU Project started it was inherently against stuff like thisAug 02 07:12
schestowitzand not surveillance is "health"Aug 02 07:12
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schestowitz 02 07:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nvidia looking to buy Arm, in 'advanced talks' - commentsAug 02 07:20
schestowitz"ARM in itself is already a monopoly. There's no equal rival in its segment yet. Changing to new owner does not mean, improvement for ARM, it just means control transfers to another owner. Nvidia won't make ARM better, competition does and there is none. "Aug 02 07:20
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The open source effort to make a patent-free SuperH processor seems more important now.Aug 02 07:31
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kingoffrancewell i think even the ppl who werent against such stuff, they werent looking for "publicity" just to stick their name "xyz is helping..."Aug 02 07:55
kingoffrancelots more "branding" nowAug 02 07:56
kingoffrancei dont think they were so desparate for "publicity" back then, at least not like nowAug 02 07:57
kingoffrancethere were enough battles within its own sphereAug 02 07:57
kingoffranceyou didnt have to "join" with "other causes"Aug 02 07:57
kingoffrancejust my speculation...Aug 02 07:57
kingoffrancei dont mean internal battles, i mean free software versus whatever crap ms was doing that weekAug 02 07:58
schestowitzI heard some stuff about Microsoft this morningAug 02 08:00
schestowitzmore cutsAug 02 08:00
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schestowitz[07:39] <IncognitoJoe> HelloAug 02 08:03
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schestowitzAll this in less than 60 seconds, based on timestampAug 02 08:03
schestowitzit's like coming to the counter, seeing a queue, than leavingAug 02 08:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: what does open source processor mean?Aug 02 08:04
schestowitzyou would still need expensive machinery to fabricate it?Aug 02 08:05
schestowitzFSF or GNU/RMS call it Free designsAug 02 08:05
schestowitzor freedom-respecting, which I suppose means you're free to use and reuse designs and templates of components in themAug 02 08:05
DaemonFC[m]No non-free blobs, no patents.Aug 02 08:05
DaemonFC[m]Open specs.Aug 02 08:05
schestowitzthat can accelerate dev/improvements and lower costsAug 02 08:05
schestowitzthe patents don't work like thatAug 02 08:06
schestowitzremember what jobs told hugo roy from fsfeAug 02 08:06
schestowitzthey don't ask youAug 02 08:06
schestowitzthey get patents on broad thingAug 02 08:06
schestowitzyou do your own thingAug 02 08:06
schestowitzand then they assert you 'steal' from themAug 02 08:06
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The patents are expired. Aug 02 08:06
schestowitzso you cannot always just work around patentsAug 02 08:06
schestowitzyou need to work to eliminate those patents, as a class actAug 02 08:06
DaemonFC[m]Hitachi designed a decent architecture and then never found a good use for it.Aug 02 08:06
schestowitzand when you enhance that designAug 02 08:07
schestowitzwith prior art older than 20 yearsAug 02 08:07
schestowitzyou then get trolled by someoneAug 02 08:07
schestowitzlike Ip EdgeAug 02 08:07
schestowitzand other trolls that hoard hardware design patentsAug 02 08:07
DaemonFC[m]Sega used them in the Saturn and Dreamcast.Aug 02 08:08
DaemonFC[m]So Linux has had a port to it a long time ago.Aug 02 08:08
schestowitzso even if you fabricate a million of these freedom-respecting designs, you can still be sued and dragged down to texas somewhereAug 02 08:08
schestowitzbecause "Blah blah blah intellectual properly"Aug 02 08:09
kingoffrancejobs who? steve jobs didnt say that did he?Aug 02 08:14
schestowitz 02 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Steve Jobs: “A Patent Pool is Being Assembled to Go After Theora and Other “Open Source” Codecs Now.” | TechrightsAug 02 08:16
kingoffranceholy crapazoidAug 02 08:16
kingoffrancei take that back after readingAug 02 08:17
kingoffrancehe seems to be fine with the shakedownAug 02 08:18
kingoffrance*seemedAug 02 08:18
schestowitzyeah, we no longer see himAug 02 08:41
schestowitzexcept posthumouslyAug 02 08:42
schestowitzSame for the other Steve, Ballmer, not WozniakAug 02 08:42
schestowitzturtleneck Nadella replaced himAug 02 08:42
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kingoffrancea bit dated perhaps but    the "nitro" and "Microsoft Windows 7/Vista Advanced Forensics Guides for Law Enforcement" caught my eyeAug 02 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | About | Public IntelligenceAug 02 12:37
kingoffrancequote:  "A collection of guides given by Microsoft to law enforcement enabling them to find preform advanced forensic investigations into your Windows 7/Vista system, including breaking the BitLocker encryption system."Aug 02 12:38
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oiaohmkingoffrance: and windows 10 bitlocker is very much windows 7 bitlocker.Aug 02 14:33
oiaohm  yes Linux mounting of bitlocker shows how little it changed.Aug 02 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - Aorimn/dislocker: FUSE driver to read/write Windows' BitLocker-ed volumes under Linux / Mac OSXAug 02 14:34
schestowitzMinceR: metal recycling?Aug 02 14:45
MinceRcould beAug 02 14:49
oiaohmschestowitz: MinceR that generally not metal recycling.   That stupid as it sound when making particular grade of stainless steel and other alloy bolts.   Its one of the worst setups I have seen.  If the magnet does not carry bolt to top the alloy mix is out.Aug 02 14:56
MinceR:>Aug 02 14:56
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oiaohmThe other usage for a seporator like that is magnetite mining but if that was the case it would be a total disgusting mess around the base of it.Aug 02 14:58
oiaohmMinceR: did you notice the bolts that had gone into the infloor cable run with the 3 phase power.Aug 02 14:59
oiaohmIf you look closely at that video you can see rusted bolts that had got away in the past in the cable run in that video.Aug 02 15:01
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DaemonFC[m]BackdoorLockerAug 02 17:37
DaemonFC[m]Does anyone think that Microsoft would ever put disk encryption software into Windows that the cops can't unlock?Aug 02 17:38
DaemonFC[m]"Once a BitLocker-protected machine is running, its keys are stored in memory where they may be susceptible to attack by a process that can access physical memory, for example, through a 1394 or Thunderbolt DMA channel."Aug 02 17:41
DaemonFC[m]Or the Intel Graphics Driver.Aug 02 17:42
DaemonFC[m]Wikipedia says they crippled Bitlocker in Windows 8.Aug 02 17:47
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: ....Aug 02 18:05
schestowitz 02 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft BitLocker Has Bug/Back Doors, Windows Laptop/Desktop Encryption Just a Farce | TechrightsAug 02 18:05
schestowitz 02 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Former Microsoft Engineer Working on Windows BitLocker Confirms Government Asks Microsoft for Back Doors | TechrightsAug 02 18:05
schestowitzmore in 02 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsAug 02 18:05
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DaemonFC[m]<kingoffrance "quote:  "A collection of guides "> Microsoft gives law enforcement software called COFFEE to scan a Windows system and find files of interest quickly.Aug 02 18:15
schestowitzOne EAug 02 18:16
DaemonFC[m] 02 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Computer Online Forensic Evidence Extractor - WikipediaAug 02 18:16
DaemonFC[m]Oh yeah...Aug 02 18:16
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DaemonFC[m]"COFEE was developed by Anthony Fung, a former Hong Kong police officer who now works as a senior investigator on Microsoft's Internet Safety Enforcement Team."Aug 02 18:16
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DaemonFC[m]Hong Kong police. Yeah, those would be the ones that are now issuing arrest warrants on Americans under the Chinese national security law.Aug 02 18:17
DaemonFC[m]I doubt they're going to wait. Someone's getting a ricin umbrella soon.Aug 02 18:17
schestowitzone f ratherAug 02 18:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Eye on Security: COFEE Still Leaked, New Windows Pandemic in the East | TechrightsAug 02 18:18
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schestowitzmentioned here also 02 18:18
schestowitz"Don’t forget Microsoft's COFEE and CIPAV." 02 18:18
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schestowitzI forgot about CIPAVAug 02 18:18
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DaemonFC[m]It's impossible to protect anyone who is on the run from China here. They have spies and saboteurs all over the place. The US government has no idea where any of them are and accuses random students as an election year stunt.Aug 02 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Only Fools and Horses… Run Windows on the Server | TechrightsAug 02 18:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Proprietary Software Increasingly Eliminates Freedom, Privacy, and Dignity | TechrightsAug 02 18:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Demands Takedown of COFEEAug 02 18:19
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schestowitz" Another one of our reader — going by the name “Goblin” — has written about COFEE leaks and there is a valuable old quote in there at the end. " 02 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Boycott Novell Readers Speak About Windows | TechrightsAug 02 18:19
schestowitzGoblin is a copAug 02 18:20
schestowitzwasAug 02 18:20
schestowitz"Apparently Microsoft’s COFEE software that helps law enforcement grab data from password protected or encrypted sources is leaking all over the internet. So not only can you steal the software, but break the law by using it too." 02 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Windows Back Doors Spin Out of Control, End up in Black Market | TechrightsAug 02 18:20
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: you and I talked about it 11 years ago: 02 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 27th, 2009 – Part 3 | TechrightsAug 02 18:20
schestowitz"Aug 02 18:21
schestowitzschestowitz They call it COFEE Apr 27 20:20Aug 02 18:21
schestowitzschestowitz IIRC Apr 27 20:20Aug 02 18:21
schestowitzDaemonFC that will make your encrypted volume sing like Tweety Bird Apr 27 20:20Aug 02 18:21
schestowitz"Aug 02 18:21
schestowitz2009Aug 02 18:21
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: that's a demonisation about CHinaAug 02 18:22
schestowitzyou could say the same about eastern european countriesAug 02 18:22
schestowitzbut the "yellow peril" BS is making a comebackAug 02 18:22
schestowitzas if all chinese are potential foreign malicious agentsAug 02 18:22
superkuhEh, this may be true. But there are innumerable real reasons to deal with China, the political entity, much differently than the past 30 years.Aug 02 18:22
DaemonFC[m]They're bowling over the UK now because it made itself irrelevant and the US is heading that way too. People in my mom's generation made China a superpower and destroyed American jobs to get a TV set ten dollars cheaper.Aug 02 18:23
superkuhJust because Trump holds an opinion does not make that opinion wrong. Just a broken clock effect, right a couple times a day. China has entirely dropped the premise of being moral. They've been taken over by a literal dictator, Xi, they've broken international agreements and taken over Hong Kong, and they're ethnically cleansing by internment camp and sterilization.Aug 02 18:24
DaemonFC[m]There were some people in Taiwan warning about this in the 1990s who said every time you buy a Chinese-made VCR you're funding their military. Nobody listened.Aug 02 18:24
*superkuh nods.Aug 02 18:24
superkuhPeople wanted to believe their government could change.Aug 02 18:24
DaemonFC[m]Now these stupid asshole Republicans are like "Where did this all come from?" with their entire house full of Chinese-made crap.Aug 02 18:24
superkuhBut it was an act.Aug 02 18:24
schestowitzit's not a new situationAug 02 18:25
schestowitzgoes back to NixonAug 02 18:25
schestowitza RepublicanAug 02 18:25
superkuhLets not go partisan. It's not.Aug 02 18:25
schestowitzand besides, Trumpft isn't trying to get a real solutionAug 02 18:25
schestowitzhe just pushes for conflictAug 02 18:25
superkuhThat's true.Aug 02 18:25
DaemonFC[m]You know, I can't help but noting the conservatives pointing out, about black people.... 13% of the population and nearly 80% of the crime.Aug 02 18:27
DaemonFC[m]You look at the share of crime by race and everyone else is like, punching way below their weight here.Aug 02 18:27
DaemonFC[m]Either you have to assume that white people are just criminal masterminds who don't get caught as often while black people are drawing attention to themselves, or that they really are the source of more of the crime.Aug 02 18:28
DaemonFC[m]It's "racist" for the state's attorney to charge five black teenagers with car theft. It was 6 but the homeowner shot and killed one of them. That's what you get for boosting someone's car.Aug 02 18:29
superkuhThis conversation will not end well for anyone and no ones opinions will be changed, DaemonFC[m]. Lets drop it.Aug 02 18:29
DaemonFC[m]Go earn some money and buy a car.Aug 02 18:29
DaemonFC[m]Illinois is emptying out and collapsing, because the crime and taxes here are out of control. You give up and move somewhere where they care about the law and don't charge you a second mortgage to the government that never goes away for a place to live.Aug 02 18:31
DaemonFC[m]So people act like Trump winning the election was a come out of nowhere thing, and it would have been had states like Illinois and New York not got as messed up as they did and lost half their electoral votes. Aug 02 18:32
DaemonFC[m]The taxes serve a purpose. The rich have given up on the police doing anything about the crime and so they'll just make it too expensive to live if you're not rich as their defense mechanism.Aug 02 18:33
DaemonFC[m]Chicago is going to collapse due to this recession though. It popped a real estate bubble that had gotten so out of control that apartments that were going for $1500-1600 a month (for a one bedroom) are popping up at $850 now.Aug 02 18:34
DaemonFC[m]You can live in those luxury apartments in the loop for half of what they were going for in March.Aug 02 18:35
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DaemonFC[m]I can see a repeat of the 1970s happening here. A violent crime wave and the whole entire city turning back into a slum.Aug 02 18:35
DaemonFC[m]Business Insider was talking about white flight again, although they didn't admit it, I saw what they were doing.Aug 02 18:36
DaemonFC[m]"Millennials flee the virus and the bad economy in the cities for charming rural houses!" or something like that.Aug 02 18:36
DaemonFC[m]Another fantasy document, like we as a generation have just been hoarding cash and we could have bought a house on the hillside all along and were just slinging coffee to people on the trading floor for shits and giggles.Aug 02 18:37
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Trump says that the feds are moving into the cities to "fight violent crime" and he named the operation "Operation LeGend" after a 4 year old that was shot to death.Aug 02 18:38
DaemonFC[m]He's already been caught lying about the number of arrests at least once.Aug 02 18:38
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DaemonFC[m]AG Bill Barr came out Friday and said they arrested over 200 violent criminals, then the DoJ press release went out and said "50" and then Barr said "I misspoke.". To the tune of 400%, apparently. Aug 02 18:39
DaemonFC[m]50 is basically nothing. You could arrest 50 drug dealers and other pieces of shit in one neighborhood in Chicago and it wouldn't make a dent in the crime, and they aren't even operating in Chicago just yet (when the figures went out).Aug 02 18:40
schestowitzthe crimes are defined by white officialsAug 02 18:40
schestowitzso...Aug 02 18:40
schestowitzyou call pot dealing a crimeAug 02 18:40
schestowitzand the white drugs, like wine, are OKAug 02 18:40
DaemonFC[m]Also, he admits that the feds could have cracked down on this at any time and....just didn't. That's implied.Aug 02 18:40
schestowitzso your numbers above have subtleties to themAug 02 18:41
DaemonFC[m]They waited for the election just by coincidence. Aug 02 18:41
schestowitzthere are also economic aspects, access to lawyers, bail system..Aug 02 18:41
DaemonFC[m]Some won't get bail. They said at least 4 of them were wanted for murder. So if there is bail it'll be like $500,000. Nothing like the kind of money these people will get ahold of.Aug 02 18:42
DaemonFC[m]Since they were on the lam with open warrants, probably more like a million.Aug 02 18:42
DaemonFC[m]It's funny how "white people" write murder and felony dealing laws that often ensnare other white people.Aug 02 18:43
DaemonFC[m]It's very racist. So racist that Indiana prisons are overflowing with white people with gang activity, illegal gun, and dealing meth.Aug 02 18:44
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's not like there are no white people doing this stuff.Aug 02 18:44
DaemonFC[m]People focus on prison "numbers" and not on what all these people did to end up there.Aug 02 18:44
DaemonFC[m]Blame-shifting. It makes it "racist" to accuse people of murdering a cop and stealing a car and slinging dope, and setting a baby on fire.Aug 02 18:45
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DaemonFC[m]Jim Carey's line in Liar Liar "Quit breaking the law asshole!" when his client who robbed a person at an ATM wanted legal advice was.....good advice.Aug 02 18:46
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DaemonFC[m]It gets expensive to break the law, very fast. So expensive that he would have paid Jim Carey's character about $10,000 for a felony defense for that one incident, when he might have gotten $500 from the ATM.Aug 02 18:47
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DaemonFC[m]I'm telling you, people are dumb.Aug 02 18:47
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz MRT in Probation....Let's see what happens when you go in there and say you were a victim of the system.Aug 02 18:50
DaemonFC[m]It won't end well. They'll tell you if you say that again they'll turn your case back over to the court and you can just take your chances.Aug 02 18:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GOP convention in Charlotte closed to press, portions will be livestreamed - CNNPoliticsAug 02 18:52
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz The RNC is hiding their convention behind closed doors and the media isn't allowed to cover it.Aug 02 18:53
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DaemonFC[m]The economy isn't going to recover until some sort of a vaccine is developed and people actually take it. A US passport only gets you in to like 10 countries now.Aug 02 19:01
DaemonFC[m]People are sneaking into Canada by various methods.Aug 02 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Including lying to border officers and telling them they're on the way to Alaska.Aug 02 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Then they get caught hiking and stuff.Aug 02 19:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dunkin' Donuts employee arrested after cop finds 'large, thick piece of mucus' in his coffee - ABC NewsAug 02 19:04
DaemonFC[m]"On large coffee. It's for a cop!"Aug 02 19:04
superkuh 02 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Officials Warn Defunding Police Could Lead To Spike In Crime From Ex-Officers With No Outlet For ViolenceAug 02 19:04
DaemonFC[m]"Sessler was taken into custody without incident by the ISP District Chicago Troopers and has been charged with Disorderly Conduct and Battery to a Peace Officer."Aug 02 19:05
DaemonFC[m]superkuh: I think we should pare down the police and invest some of the savings in free gun + training for citizens with no history of violent or drug felonies. Aug 02 19:06
DaemonFC[m]Expand Stand Your Ground to all states as a federal law.Aug 02 19:06
DaemonFC[m]Let armed citizens protect their lives and property and the crime will plummet 90% in the first year. Aug 02 19:07
superkuhIt doesn't have to be free. Just copy the rural gun safety programs and implement them in cities.Aug 02 19:07
DaemonFC[m]We'll find out that not only were we spending waaaaay to much money on bad results from the police, but that an armed society is a polite one. Aug 02 19:08
schestowitznonsense..Aug 02 19:08
schestowitznot politeAug 02 19:08
schestowitzfearfulAug 02 19:08
schestowitzlike in ChinaAug 02 19:08
schestowitzor SingaporeAug 02 19:08
schestowitzyou then create another kind of problemAug 02 19:08
DaemonFC[m]If someone means to rob or rape or murder you, they forfeit their right to safety.Aug 02 19:08
superkuhWell, expanding the gun safety programs, at least, is a good idea. It would allow people to experience firearms outside of the context of crime, like people in rural areas do.Aug 02 19:09
DaemonFC[m]There's a lot of reasons why blue state crime is way worse.Aug 02 19:09
DaemonFC[m]Everyone in Texas owns a gun and you don't see 18,000 people a year getting shot in a single city, like Shitcago.Aug 02 19:09
DaemonFC[m]In Illinois, the Democrats have disarmed everyone but the nasty little gangbangers who run around with whatever they want, preying on the public.Aug 02 19:10
schestowitzTexas is ethnically and economically differentAug 02 19:10
schestowitzChicago has  loads of weapons aroundAug 02 19:10
schestowitzinc. automatic Aug 02 19:10
schestowitzso there goes your theory out the windowAug 02 19:10
DaemonFC[m]It's not the amount. It's the fact that only lawbreakers have them because they ignore the law.Aug 02 19:10
schestowitzthey pass aroundAug 02 19:11
schestowitzanywhere you goAug 02 19:11
DaemonFC[m]They'll go get a trunk of them in some other state and never get a CCA or FOID.Aug 02 19:11
schestowitzit's very simple to get one when million around you have themAug 02 19:11
schestowitzwith ammoAug 02 19:11
DaemonFC[m]Then they know that the left has disarmed everyone that they want to rob and rape.Aug 02 19:11
superkuhHonestly, I'm more worried about things like people being brainwashed into thinking that their "IP address" is some secret, private thing that gets "exposed". Just because their mobile phones don't get ipv4 addresses and ports and the like. They grow up never knowing what the internet is. And they won't fight to preserve what the won't know.Aug 02 19:11
superkuhThe same problem hunters have.Aug 02 19:11
superkuhThe youth are lured into centralized systems and away from direct experience with things.Aug 02 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Chicago has a lot of gun crime because the police are a joke and the Democrats have taken away guns from people with no criminal record.Aug 02 19:12
DaemonFC[m]If that lawsuit going through the courts strikes down the FOID law, I guarantee things get better.Aug 02 19:13
DaemonFC[m]The only people applying for a FOID are the people who want to try to obey the law.Aug 02 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Those are the only people who face obstacles. Aug 02 19:13
DaemonFC[m]FOID isn't even enforced in some counties. Prosecutors sometimes decline to prosecute any FOID violation the police bring, so it's a law that doesn't even have effect in some parts of the state.Aug 02 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Or worse, a racist prosecutor could selectively enforce FOID by dismissing all charges against white people and bringing them against black people.Aug 02 19:14
DaemonFC[m]:)Aug 02 19:14
schestowitz 02 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Academic spotlight (II): Borghetti, Nikolic and Petit on FRAND licensing levels - The IPKatAug 02 19:15
schestowitz"Aug 02 19:15
schestowitzI find the comments about the fact that the selected articles stem exclusively from male authors out of place. Aug 02 19:15
schestowitzWhen one sees how NPE and their trolls behave in Germany, see Nokia/Conversant, this type of predatory actions should be brought to an end. The patent system has not been conceived to encourage nurture such firms, but to promote the evolution of technology! They clearly abuse the rights resulting from their SEP. Aug 02 19:15
schestowitzWould it not be possible to create a kind of clearing house collecting SEP and giving licences at real FRAND rates? Another possibility would be to create an independent body administering SEP, with the same aim, i.e. to avoid abuses. Aug 02 19:15
schestowitz"Aug 02 19:15
DaemonFC[m]So there goes your theory about Democrats not being racist. They're very racist, they just have a sharper knife than Republicans do. Instead of talking about apes and welfare queens, they just raise taxes and price them out of the labor market, and make housing unaffordable.Aug 02 19:15
DaemonFC[m]It's not "overtly racist" so it's not racist, see.Aug 02 19:16
schestowitzhow did we even reach this subject?Aug 02 19:16
schestowitzcan we focus on tech?Aug 02 19:16
schestowitzor tech law?Aug 02 19:16
DaemonFC[m]FOID is a government database.Aug 02 19:17
DaemonFC[m]Something lower tech was a plot point in the movie Red Dawn.Aug 02 19:17
superkuhYes. I agree with schestowitz. It's a bit off topic.Aug 02 19:17
DaemonFC[m]When the government wants to take everyone's guns away, they just open up the FOID database and send them out to the address on file. If you don't update your address, you can get 5 years.Aug 02 19:17
DaemonFC[m]What they've actually done here is create a sleeper database that you have to be in to exercise a constitutional right, in case they ever want to enforce a tyrannical policy with it.Aug 02 19:18
schestowitzcovid kills more than firearms in the US, so science means more than thisAug 02 19:19
schestowitztoday uk reported 8 deaths, but this is SundayAug 02 19:19
DaemonFC[m]It's public information btw.Aug 02 19:19
schestowitzI spoke to someone whom I met about health implications of getting it and healingAug 02 19:19
schestowitzeven without symptomsAug 02 19:19
DaemonFC[m]So, like Google and Facebook could tap into FOID by paying a small fee to get the names of all the gun owners. Aug 02 19:19
schestowitzhe's a professor with cardiac focusAug 02 19:19
schestowitzhe says you really, really don't want to catch this at allAug 02 19:19
schestowitzand better to focus on the science, not some racist politics stuffAug 02 19:20
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I had already determined that it's worse than you can possibly imagine.Aug 02 19:20
DaemonFC[m]The government knows more than what it's saying because it doesn't want to incite mass panic when people figure out the lasting harm that COVID-19 will do, and that it's not just a flu-like illness for a week or two.Aug 02 19:20
DaemonFC[m]3/4ths of those who recover have heart damage, even if it was asymptomatic. That will be a contributing factor to death perhaps years later.Aug 02 19:21
DaemonFC[m]Lung damage.... permanent.Aug 02 19:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | No comment necessary - Charlie's DiaryAug 02 19:21
schestowitz"Aug 02 19:21
schestowitzThat's 78% of a cohort, average age 49, of whom 67% had recovered at home (ie. disease was not categorized as severe enough to need hospitalization). Cohort was normalized with respect to other risk factors relative to uninfected patients. Diagnosis by MRI. Looks reasonably solid, at first glance, publication in JAMA Cardiol. (Journal of the American Medical Association, cardiology). Study coordinated via a German hospital.Aug 02 19:21
schestowitzReason for "no comment necessary" is that this suggests most COVID19 survivors—including mild disease survivors—suffer cardiac damage.Aug 02 19:21
schestowitzYou don't want to get this virus.Aug 02 19:21
schestowitz"Aug 02 19:22
DaemonFC[m]I'm even hearing that it attacks blood vessels, so you could like, maybe have a stroke or a ruptured artery somewhere because of this.Aug 02 19:22
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Trump did say one thing that I agree with.Aug 02 19:23
DaemonFC[m]There's absolutely no way China really got  this under control.Aug 02 19:23
DaemonFC[m]You think you put a lid on it, so you open up, and 2 months later it's back and it's as bad as it's ever been.Aug 02 19:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | Cardiology | JAMA Cardiology | JAMA NetworkAug 02 19:23
DaemonFC[m]I think there's two kinds of countries in the world as far as COVID-19.Aug 02 19:25
DaemonFC[m]The ones with a serious problem on their hands, and the ones that are lying and saying they don't.Aug 02 19:25
DaemonFC[m]The government in the UK was already in pretty bad fiscal shape, so they have every reason to lie about this.Aug 02 19:25
DaemonFC[m]I don't believe what they say.Aug 02 19:25
schestowitzmaybe our death toll is more honest than mostAug 02 19:26
schestowitzlike a quarter of cases resulting in deathAug 02 19:26
schestowitzor 20% of those tested positiveAug 02 19:26
schestowitzin some countries it's like than 1% so something ain't rightAug 02 19:26
schestowitzso I asked my friend today and he agrees, it's not consistentAug 02 19:26
schestowitzeven if you take age and obesity into accountAug 02 19:27
schestowitzthe nhs isn't private hospitals (yet)Aug 02 19:27
schestowitzso putting the lid on the numbers can be harderAug 02 19:27
DaemonFC[m]Well, they tried doing a fat tax here in Illinois and it didn't work out well.Aug 02 19:27
DaemonFC[m]In fairness, you can be overweight and never drink a soda. Aug 02 19:28
DaemonFC[m]That would be me.Aug 02 19:28
DaemonFC[m]The tax also exempted some things that were really really packed with sugar and calories.Aug 02 19:29
DaemonFC[m]You could get.....a large frappucino at Starbucks with over 70 grams of sugar and over 900 calories.Aug 02 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Not taxed.Aug 02 19:29
DaemonFC[m]It was a tax on the poor, schestowitz Aug 02 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Condescending nanny state liberals. Yada yada.Aug 02 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Rich people with better genes don't need to have their Starbucks taxed because they have better brains and can moderate themselves.Aug 02 19:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: US BILLIONAIRES GOT $700,000,000,000 (yes, nearly a trillion!) RICHER since March. At whose expense? 02 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> As unemployment stimulus expires, local couple gets creative to survive | Coronavirus | pottsmerc.comAug 02 19:30
DaemonFC[m]But would you just look at all these fat porkers on welfare, sucking down Sunny D? This is terrible! We need to stop them with something that also pads our pension fund.Aug 02 19:31
DaemonFC[m]:)Aug 02 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Roy, I think you were talking about something like this the other day.Aug 02 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Rich people are rich because they're smart, not because they break the law all the time, have no moral core, and don't pay taxes.Aug 02 19:32
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schestowitzmany inherit the wealthAug 02 19:34
schestowitzand it kick-started themAug 02 19:34
schestowitztheir ancestors aren't recently-freed (in generational terms) slavesAug 02 19:34
Narratoror smuggling drugs;-)Aug 02 19:34
schestowitzbut let's change the subjectAug 02 19:34
schestowitzbecause DaemonFC[m] is pushing racist crap for no reason, directly and now less directlyAug 02 19:35
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 'underclass' isn't a race thing, esp. in countries other than the USAug 02 19:35
schestowitzthe US segregated based on raceAug 02 19:35
schestowitzin europe it's usually its own people, the natives, who became hard workers and peasantsAug 02 19:35
schestowitzthe US imported from China and AfricaAug 02 19:36
schestowitzso leave aside that nonsense, it's missing the point and pushed the narrative of "white" (European) being naturally better at everythingAug 02 19:36
schestowitz[19:34] <Narrator> or smuggling drugs;-)Aug 02 19:36
schestowitzOpium trade created many of today's richest familiiesAug 02 19:36
schestowitzbut of course they cover up the past, things like mass slave-trading businesses, plantations, drugs trade on boatsAug 02 19:37
DaemonFC[m]Actually, the fat tax was pushed by a rich government bureaucrat named Toni Preckwinkle. (not white, btw)Aug 02 19:37
NarratoragreeAug 02 19:37
schestowitzEven military salesAug 02 19:37
DaemonFC[m]Black people who get rich become sell outs too.Aug 02 19:38
DaemonFC[m]Toni Preckwinkle, Herman Cain..... They know better than you because they're rich, now deal with this horrible government policy that makes your life harder.Aug 02 19:38
schestowitz"The UK is taking the final formal steps towards its withdrawal from the Unified Patent Court project (UPCA). Frantzeska Papadopoulou provided an update on these steps."Aug 02 19:39
schestowitzHaha, spinAug 02 19:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Never Too Late: if you missed the IPKat last week - The IPKatAug 02 19:39
schestowitzip kat is disastrous these daysAug 02 19:39
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure if you asked Preckwinkle if she likes FOID, she'd say "Yes I do!" even though it's a racist Democrat law that mostly gets used to send black people away.Aug 02 19:40
DaemonFC[m]I'm telling you, the Democrats just have a sharper knife.Aug 02 19:40
DaemonFC[m]They're actually as bad or worse for poor people and labor. You just aren't supposed to say that.Aug 02 19:40
DaemonFC[m]The only organized labor in Illinois that gets what it wants is government "workers".Aug 02 19:40
DaemonFC[m]That includes fat paychecks, fat pensions, closing down the license branches and public assistance office and striking against the public.Aug 02 19:41
DaemonFC[m]It's the worst of both worlds. Workers in the private sector who actually, make things, and build things, and mine things have no power at all. Aug 02 19:42
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DaemonFC[m]I honestly never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Mitch McConnell on one thing. One thing. They need to change Chapter 9 Bankruptcy so that states can file and also so that localities don't need to ask their state.Aug 02 19:43
DaemonFC[m]The way to deal with all of the sludge that's accumulated in our public sector is file bankruptcy and rip up their union contracts.Aug 02 19:44
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If the US government keeps taking on water (debt) at this rate, you won't have to worry about the patent office for much longer.Aug 02 19:45
DaemonFC[m]This virus and the economic damage it has done is like a torpedo getting a perfect hit on its target.Aug 02 19:45
DaemonFC[m]The government deficit last month was worse than the deficit normally is for an entire year.Aug 02 19:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wilford Brimley, 'Cocoon' and 'Natural' actor, dies at 85 | National | gazette.comAug 02 19:46
DaemonFC[m]The Treasury people are acting like they have no idea why gold prices are doing what they are. I'm like "Oh sure, a full year's deficit in a month. Central Bank funding 70% of spending. What could possibly be amiss?".Aug 02 19:47
DaemonFC[m]The liberal elite Hollyweirdos can't even "export" their Imaginary Property because of this seething anger between the US and China.Aug 02 19:48
DaemonFC[m]They can't even release their movies to theaters here, because they're in bankruptcy court.Aug 02 19:48
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: You want to talk front row ticket to the freak show. This is laying waste to Hollywood.Aug 02 19:49
DaemonFC[m]They make up TV shows that are extremely unrealistic to use as entertainment as a form of gaslighting.Aug 02 19:49
schestowitznot many movies will bear the year 2020Aug 02 19:51
schestowitzmakeup artists with social distancingAug 02 19:51
schestowitzstudios with deficitsAug 02 19:51
schestowitzsame for sportsAug 02 19:51
schestowitzless value for clubs, playersAug 02 19:51
schestowitzless income from "seats"Aug 02 19:51
schestowitzthe upside/upshot is, less travel and pollutionAug 02 19:51
DaemonFC[m]Apple was making a big deal about that movie Greyhound being an exclusive.Aug 02 19:52
DaemonFC[m]It was derivative. I didn't feel like there was much of a point in having watched it.Aug 02 19:52
DaemonFC[m]I thought that the 1981 movie Das Boot was actually quite good. Aug 02 19:54
schestowitz<rianne_> 02 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft is shutting down Cortana on multiple devices, including iOS and Android - The VergeAug 02 19:54
schestowitz<rianne_> 02 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft to sunset Cortana on iOS and Android in pivot to ‘productivity-focused’ assistant - GeekWireAug 02 19:54
DaemonFC[m]They surrounded Greyhound with puff pieces talking about computer generated water.Aug 02 19:54
schestowitzTODO: investigate if layoffs are involvedAug 02 19:54
schestowitzi saw some more reported sinceAug 02 19:54
schestowitzthese two Microsoft propaganda sites belittle itAug 02 19:54
schestowitzthey kill it off completely, across everythingAug 02 19:54
schestowitzno indication the devs will stay onboardAug 02 19:55
schestowitzbut as I lack contacts with people in these divisions I can't think of a way to find out if they're sackedAug 02 19:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I actually made that into a pun when I was making a boot disk to flash that motherboard back in 2008.Aug 02 19:55
DaemonFC[m]I made a directly called \DOS\BOOT.Aug 02 19:56
DaemonFC[m]*directoryAug 02 19:56
DaemonFC[m]It was nice when you could just use FreeDOS to update your firmware.Aug 02 19:56
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't recommend updating firmware, ever, with a general purpose multitasking OS running. Windows, Linux, or anything else.Aug 02 19:57
DaemonFC[m]I had to with this system one time. I don't like doing it. I always feel like something is going to break.Aug 02 19:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Corp. Layoffs - TheLayoff.comAug 02 19:59
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: According to this, Microsoft was twice as likely to lay you off if you were over 40.Aug 02 19:59
DaemonFC[m] 02 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nuked - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffsAug 02 20:00
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DaemonFC[m]"I'm a PM in windows COSINE D&I, my job got eliminated yesterday.Aug 02 20:00
DaemonFC[m]This was business driven and is not performance related.Aug 02 20:00
DaemonFC[m]So, yes, layoffs are happening..."Aug 02 20:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Layoffs in the Windows division according to this guy. Didn't say how many, but he was a Program Manager (their title for a supervisor that directly oversees an entire project, usually with 50-100 people reporting to them).Aug 02 20:01
DaemonFC[m]"D&l is Data and Intelligence"Aug 02 20:02
DaemonFC[m]Holy shit. Aug 02 20:02
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: That would be the people doing the data collection that Windows 10 performs on the user in the background in order to "optimize" advertising. Across Windows Store, Bing, Edge, and Skype. Aug 02 20:04
DaemonFC[m]It's interesting that they're firing their adtech people, if true.Aug 02 20:04
DaemonFC[m]Are they trying to pivot away from advertising?Aug 02 20:04
DaemonFC[m] 02 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Yet... - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffsAug 02 20:05
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DaemonFC[m]"There's no way they'll make any large layoffs abruptly as they've done in the past and they've already been cutting folks ~slowly~ since May. Aug 02 20:05
DaemonFC[m]Trickling layoffs out over time allows them to remain free of any potential bad press from contributing to the unemployment problem in the middle of the COVID-19 crisis."Aug 02 20:05
DaemonFC[m] 02 20:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Another 1000 out the door ? - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffsAug 02 20:06
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: According to this guy, Microsoft rarely, if ever, allows anyone working there to reach 55 and have their pension become vested.Aug 02 20:07
DaemonFC[m]He describes working there as a descent into "paranoia" about quarterly performance reviews and if you'll even have a job soon.Aug 02 20:07
schestowitzoh, wait..Aug 02 20:08
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: do any of these mention Cortana?Aug 02 20:09
DaemonFC[m]Another poster said when he was close to becoming vested (2 years short), he started getting negative performance reviews out of nowhere and they eventually showed him the door.Aug 02 20:09
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "DaemonFC: do any of these mentio"> I'll look more closely.Aug 02 20:10
DaemonFC[m]Cortana would likely be in COSINE D&I.Aug 02 20:10
DaemonFC[m]Which is where that Program Manager got laid off from.Aug 02 20:10
DaemonFC[m]Cortana is an analytics and telemetry app that data mines people while pretending to be a digital assistant.Aug 02 20:10
DaemonFC[m]They built it directly into the Windows shell and turned it on by default (wasting a lot of panel space) to lure people into using it.Aug 02 20:12
DaemonFC[m]I just don't think they got the return on investment they were hoping for as an adtech.Aug 02 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Blaming the pandemic makes sense because people will be more reluctant to buy something from an internet ad right now and for years to come.Aug 02 20:13
schestowitzthanks for these findindsAug 02 20:13
schestowitzfindingsAug 02 20:13
schestowitzseems like there's another layoffs roundAug 02 20:13
schestowitzand we need to know the numberAug 02 20:13
schestowitzand 'recency'Aug 02 20:13
schestowitzI have a friend who thinks they use TikTok to just bury this newsAug 02 20:13
schestowitzeven if the tiktok think is made-up or superficial nonsenseAug 02 20:14
schestowitzjust to provide 'cover'Aug 02 20:14
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: 02 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ESDWAGOV - Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN)Aug 02 20:20
DaemonFC[m]Might be an idea to look at WARN Act stuff. Of course, Microsoft can just keep it coming in small chunks to get around the WARN Act.Aug 02 20:21
DaemonFC[m] 02 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Layoff Assistance WARN Reporting & ServicesAug 02 20:24
DaemonFC[m]Trump's hotels in Illinois have made lots of permanent layoffs.Aug 02 20:24
DaemonFC[m]LOLAug 02 20:25
DaemonFC[m]LAZ Parking Chicago and GlassDoor "mass layoff".Aug 02 20:26
schestowitzcheers!Aug 02 20:26
DaemonFC[m]The recruiting companies are going bankrupt and firing everyone.Aug 02 20:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: no bailout for these?Aug 02 20:27
DaemonFC[m]Oh yeah, we'll just "bounce back".Aug 02 20:27
schestowitztrump did not looting the treasury across the whole board?Aug 02 20:27
schestowitz*was notAug 02 20:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: real estate alsoAug 02 20:28
schestowitzthey start mail-spamming peopleAug 02 20:28
schestowitzdesperate for transactionsAug 02 20:28
DaemonFC[m]It says 228 of the layoffs from March became permanent at Trump's company in Chicago as of May.Aug 02 20:28
DaemonFC[m]70 others still laid off "temporarily".Aug 02 20:28
schestowitzthey pull out all the old databases of obsolete contactsAug 02 20:28
schestowitzotherwise they just sit there doing nothing, showing no homeAug 02 20:28
DaemonFC[m]That's kind of funny really.Aug 02 20:33
DaemonFC[m]Dynamite fishing for someone they still might be able to sell toAug 02 20:33
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DaemonFC[m] 02 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook downgraded after 11 high-profile execs defectAug 02 20:43
DaemonFC[m]Accelerating Value Destruction. Aug 02 20:43
DaemonFC[m]:)Aug 02 20:43
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'm trying to think of why 11 high level execs would get out of a company that is actually doing well and doesn't have some illegal shit going on that they don't want to be anywhere close to when it's revealed.Aug 02 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Mom was talking to me on the phone last night about a guy who got arrested after having a conversation with an undercover detective over Facebook.Aug 02 20:45
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DaemonFC[m]It really amazes me how it doesn't even occur to people that this company is watching everything they do and even if the guy on the other end isn't a cop, everything they say is being logged.Aug 02 20:47
DaemonFC[m]I think Facebook gets away with a lot of things just because they're a valuable asset to law enforcement. Like, the goose that lays the golden eggs.Aug 02 20:48
schestowitzyup, trueAug 02 20:59
schestowitzlook at its investors and boardAug 02 20:59
schestowitzeven peter thielAug 02 20:59
schestowitzinvestors like GSAug 02 20:59
schestowitzprotecting the richAug 02 20:59
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: thanks for the help researching the cortana thingAug 02 21:04
schestowitzI think you did nail the GM partAug 02 21:04
schestowitzand his unitAug 02 21:04
schestowitzwhich seems to be connected to these listening devicesAug 02 21:05
schestowitzCan you help research whether ibm layoffs in NC area affect red hat?Aug 02 21:05
schestowitzmaybe some rumours onlineAug 02 21:05
schestowitzin layoff comAug 02 21:05
schestowitzbasically, red hat has its own operations in ncAug 02 21:05
schestowitzthey play to lay off in nc and 4 other statesAug 02 21:05
schestowitzabout 5000 peopleAug 02 21:05
schestowitzibm and red hat both have nc operationsAug 02 21:06
schestowitzi am sure ibm does not need two hr deptsAug 02 21:06
schestowitz2 marketing depts etc.Aug 02 21:06
schestowitzand I heard from an ibm victim they always wait 2 years before the ax fallsAug 02 21:06
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schestowitzso the task is, see if anyone at red hat heard of coming layofss at the rht unit, DaemonFC[m]Aug 02 21:07
schestowitznobody has explored or covered that (which I know of...)Aug 02 21:07
*schestowitz goes for coffeeAug 02 21:07
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DaemonFC[m]They said it would "make it difficult to hire more people" with the pandemic raging.Aug 02 21:15
DaemonFC[m]No comment when asked about whether that meant layoffs from Red Hat.Aug 02 21:15
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I am tidying up your findingsAug 02 21:19
schestowitzabout msftAug 02 21:19
schestowitzwiill turn it into an article shortlyAug 02 21:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Not only has Red Hat been getting lay offs from IBM, but they're sloppy about how they do it and forget to cut off employee access to things apparently.Aug 02 21:20
DaemonFC[m]After security proverbially walks them to the door. Aug 02 21:20
DaemonFC[m]Red Hat sounds like it's falling apart from the inside and their CEO doesn't even understand what the product is, or use it himself.Aug 02 21:20
schestowitzsource for this?Aug 02 21:21
schestowitzOh, I seeAug 02 21:21
schestowitzthe long pastesAug 02 21:21
DaemonFC[m]Other comments suggest that IBM is gutting Red Hat of anything it doesn't expect to immediately turn a huge profit.Aug 02 21:23
schestowitzwow, good findingsAug 02 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Firing engineers without seeing if they could even be tasked elsewhere.Aug 02 21:23
MinceRthey don't care about security, they just want to ruin yoursAug 02 21:23
MinceRand mineAug 02 21:23
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Aug 02 21:23
DaemonFC[m]IBM is trying to stuff its own nonsense that isn't making money into Red Hat products.Aug 02 21:24
MinceRit will find good companyAug 02 21:24
MinceRthey're already full of nonsenseAug 02 21:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I guess the logic is that if they can shove it into a Red Hat product people are buying, they can say it's "value added" and justify it.Aug 02 21:25
MinceRwhat's a "chicky manager"?Aug 02 21:25
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Aug 02 21:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I think he might have meant "chic" manager. Aug 02 21:26
MinceRlolAug 02 21:26
DaemonFC[m]Yes, all of this retarded container horseshit.Aug 02 21:26
schestowitzcheeky?Aug 02 21:26
DaemonFC[m]The ro / idea is a disaster waiting to happen and I said it weeks ago that "We saw the Mac doing it so why the hell not?".Aug 02 21:27
MinceRcheeky breekiAug 02 21:27
DaemonFC[m]"Containers!"Aug 02 21:27
schestowitzcontainer = blobAug 02 21:27
schestowitzusually with proprietary crap, laced with 'OS' 'around it'..Aug 02 21:27
MinceRlol @ jim using a macAug 02 21:27
schestowitzyes, I saw thatAug 02 21:27
DaemonFC[m]"Container developers, container developers, container developers!" "Container developers, container developers, container developers!" "WHO SAID SIT DOWN!?" -Jim WhitehurstAug 02 21:27
MinceRdoes poettering use one, too?Aug 02 21:28
DaemonFC[m]They said that OS development was knocked down to lowest priority. Aug 02 21:28
MinceRgoodAug 02 21:29
MinceRtime for everyone else to leave cancerd behind, thenAug 02 21:29
schestowitzsystemdAug 02 21:29
schestowitzis it os yet?Aug 02 21:29
MinceRalways wasAug 02 21:29
schestowitzlokinAug 02 21:29
schestowitzvendor tie-inAug 02 21:29
schestowitzlockinAug 02 21:29
schestowitzI am going to do an article about this, thanks DaemonFC[m]Aug 02 21:29
schestowitzas nobody else seems to be covering thisAug 02 21:30
schestowitzkrishna (ibm ceo) loooves containersAug 02 21:30
schestowitzsee his videos, recent interviewsAug 02 21:30
schestowitz"watson everywhere"Aug 02 21:30
schestowitz"cloud everywhere"Aug 02 21:30
schestowitzthose are the slogansAug 02 21:30
schestowitzit's proprietary btwAug 02 21:30
schestowitz"SS everywhere"Aug 02 21:31
schestowitz"clowns everywhere"Aug 02 21:31
DaemonFC[m]Systemd is like someone saw SMF and reimplemented it poorly.Aug 02 21:31
DaemonFC[m]I've used all sorts of things as a desktop system, including Solaris for a couple of years on one of my computers.Aug 02 21:32
DaemonFC[m]Wine and Firefox and most stuff I wanted worked. So I didn't really care much. Seemed stable enough. Aug 02 21:33
DaemonFC[m]Sun was interested in the open source thing but Oracle came along and flashed a bunch of money and bought it.Aug 02 21:33
schestowitznow Oracle is close to MicrosoftAug 02 21:34
schestowitzweird, I know...Aug 02 21:34
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Too many bad things are happening in Fedora at once. Aug 02 21:34
schestowitzas Ellison loathed GatesAug 02 21:34
DaemonFC[m]I'm not about to stick around and wait for "Silverblue".Aug 02 21:34
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: planet fedora has been deadAug 02 21:34
schestowitzsilver is bigAug 02 21:34
schestowitzbig blueAug 02 21:34
schestowitzassimilation completedAug 02 21:34
DaemonFC[m]When ro / landed on the Mac, Jamie Zawinski couldn't even figure out how to make it rip a DVD anymore.Aug 02 21:35
DaemonFC[m]So that tells you it's going to be one of those things that just breaks the entire world, and their answer to what about software is "Either reboot every time you install an RPM or just use Flatpaks!".Aug 02 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Like, are you shitting me? No. Just no.Aug 02 21:35
DaemonFC[m]It's no longer modern to install an RPM and just have the program there a few seconds later without REBOOTING.Aug 02 21:36
DaemonFC[m]This whole thing is getting comically bad. Aug 02 21:36
schestowitzd justify ihmmmAug 02 21:37
schestowitzsorry, bad pasteAug 02 21:38
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "DaemonFC: planet fedora has been"> They're no longer a functioning entity. They're just some IBM middleware for Microsoft Azure orr something.Aug 02 21:39
schestowitzohAug 02 21:39
schestowitzwell, I know there were dc migrations recentlyAug 02 21:39
schestowitzcan you look up associated IPs?Aug 02 21:39
DaemonFC[m]Oh, I was talking about Red Hat as part of IBM.Aug 02 21:40
DaemonFC[m]Fedora seems to be increasingly out of the loop.Aug 02 21:40
DaemonFC[m]I think at some point they might just stop pretending that they even care about testers. Aug 02 21:41
DaemonFC[m]The push for BtrFS came from Facebook of all places.Aug 02 21:41
DaemonFC[m]That guy from Facebook that doesn't use an @facebook email because he doesn't want to make it obvious.Aug 02 21:42
DaemonFC[m]Speaking of which, Facebook claims that their revenue went up despite the "boycott".Aug 02 21:43
DaemonFC[m]I don't doubt it. Trump and Biden have been dumping money into Facebook ads like crazy.Aug 02 21:43
DaemonFC[m]Biden refused to pull his ads in solidarity with the anti-hate speech people because "It would hurt our campaign too much.".Aug 02 21:43
DaemonFC[m]I have no idea why black people like Joe Biden so much.Aug 02 21:44
DaemonFC[m]He's done nothing for them, will do nothing for them. Like most Democrats.Aug 02 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Now the choice is between a guy who is actively trying to kill them vs. maybe a guy who just doesn't give a crap what's happening to them.Aug 02 21:45
DaemonFC[m]What a great candidate they gave us. Instead of good schools and access to healthcare (Sanders) we get "Just fire a shotgun through the door at them!". Aug 02 21:45
DaemonFC[m]One of Biden's many gaffes was just fire a shotgun through the door.Aug 02 21:45
MinceR"Guns don't kill people, I do!"Aug 02 21:46
DaemonFC[m]Black guy shows up at the door to borrow a cup of sugar? Can't be too careful. Shotgun!Aug 02 21:46
DaemonFC[m]This is just such unbelievable horseshit.Aug 02 21:46
DaemonFC[m]Like, why would they give us Joe Biden?Aug 02 21:47
MinceRbecause they want twitler to have another termAug 02 21:47
MinceRor because they want it to matter as little as possibleAug 02 21:47
DaemonFC[m]What do they think they'll get if Joe Biden takes office? More workfare maybe.Aug 02 21:48
DaemonFC[m]Only helps if you have a job to go to, of course.Aug 02 21:48
DaemonFC[m]Many, many people do not right now.Aug 02 21:48
DaemonFC[m]Obamacare has been such a complete disaster.Aug 02 21:49
DaemonFC[m]It's worse than things have ever been before. It can cost $400 just to talk to the doctor for 15 minutes without insurance now. I remember when it was $50. It wasn't that long ago. Aug 02 21:49
DaemonFC[m]I didn't buy health insurance because it was only costing me $50 to go see the doctor.Aug 02 21:50
DaemonFC[m]Why am I going to buy $1,000 worth of insurance each month ($12,000 a year) to get $100 worth of doctor visits out of it?Aug 02 21:50
DaemonFC[m]($100 a year)Aug 02 21:50
DaemonFC[m]That's insane. It's beyond insane. The insurance you get with Obamacare doesn't magically mean you can afford major surgery or a hospital bill just because of the insurance.Aug 02 21:51
DaemonFC[m]You get $8,000 deductibles and 30% copays after that, and it's a one way ticket down to the bankruptcy courthouse if anything much more than "doctor visit" happens.Aug 02 21:51
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I was talking to my ex about that. He's like "This is terrible. It costs a fortune and it's bad insurance.".Aug 02 21:52
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DaemonFC[m]I said, "Yeah, we'll see how long it lasts now that there's no $1,600 fine at the end of the year for not having it."Aug 02 21:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's so good it's illegal not to have it!Aug 02 21:53
DaemonFC[m]It ended up being more about letting doctors and hospitals raise their fees and hiding it behind crappy government subsidized insurance.Aug 02 21:58
DaemonFC[m]Most people who get an ACA plan are no better off than they were beforeAug 02 21:58
DaemonFC[m]"The layoffs also come as the number of IT job openings in North Carolina continues to shrink because of COVID-19. The number of open tech positions in North Carolina fell 25% in April, The N&O reported."Aug 02 21:59
DaemonFC[m]I don't know who else is hiring for tech positions in North Carolina.Aug 02 21:59
DaemonFC[m]Most of the tech companies that locate somewhere like that did it to get out of the high tax shitholes like New York, Illinois, and California, which make it very hard to run a business. Aug 02 22:00
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: can you read with me the draft on msft in 5 mins?Aug 02 22:00
schestowitzI am finalising itAug 02 22:01
schestowitzwarn act I am screenshottingAug 02 22:01
DaemonFC[m]YeahAug 02 22:02
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DaemonFC[m]I'm not surprised that there have been relatively few Illinois WARN notices and most of them are hotels and recruiting companies.Aug 02 22:03
DaemonFC[m]The only gigantic companies left here are banks and REITs.Aug 02 22:03
DaemonFC[m]It's a financial hub with gig economy jobs that aren't subject to the WARN Act, and the Democrats have chased the real employers out and left us with poverty and crime.Aug 02 22:04
schestowitzit is very roughly draftedAug 02 22:04
schestowitzbut we can improve as we go alongAug 02 22:04
schestowitzI elaver out  Illinois WARN noticesAug 02 22:04
schestowitzleaveAug 02 22:04
schestowitzas it doesn't apply to MicrosoftAug 02 22:04
schestowitzI will add only the link to itAug 02 22:04
schestowitzI am not familiar with that US lawAug 02 22:04
schestowitz 02 22:04
schestowitzexpect typos, read slowlyAug 02 22:05
schestowitzsuggest improvement.Aug 02 22:05
DaemonFC[m]It's state by state, but in general, WARN Acts make companies publicly list large layoffs.Aug 02 22:05
DaemonFC[m]If anything happens to the Navy base in Waukegan, it's finished.Aug 02 22:05
schestowitzafter that I'll do red hatAug 02 22:06
schestowitz 02 22:06
schestowitzok, here we go, read fastAug 02 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Lays Off Many More Workers in the Advertising Division/s and Terminates Products While the Press is Distracted by TikTok Rumours | TechrightsAug 02 22:06
schestowitzit's full of typos, for sure...Aug 02 22:06
schestowitzand accuracy is also important, facts-wiseAug 02 22:06
DaemonFC[m]replacing “few” workersAug 02 22:13
DaemonFC[m]replacing a "few" workers might sound better.Aug 02 22:14
DaemonFC[m]"The more we learn about Microsoft layoffs the more likely it seems"Aug 02 22:15
DaemonFC[m]"The more we learn about Microsoft layoffs, the more likely it seems"Aug 02 22:15
DaemonFC[m]"layoffs and likely"Aug 02 22:15
DaemonFC[m]"layoffs, and likely"Aug 02 22:15
schestowitzthanks, amendedAug 02 22:16
schestowitzalso improved half a dozen other bitsAug 02 22:17
schestowitzfor clarify mostlyAug 02 22:17
schestowitznow on to red hat, I need to think how to draft it chronologicallyAug 02 22:17
DaemonFC[m]The narrative that I'm getting from all of this is that Microsoft is circling the wagons around the divisions where it expects to make money.Aug 02 22:17
DaemonFC[m]Giving up on others completely to free up operating cash. This isn't want a company that's actually sitting on a big fat rainy day fund would be doing.Aug 02 22:18
schestowitz#Microsoft Lays Off Many More Workers in the Advertising Division/s and Terminates Products While the Press is Distracted by #TikTok #Rumours 02 22:18
schestowitzit calls everything "cloud" nowAug 02 22:18
schestowitzthan claims clown "growth"Aug 02 22:18
schestowitzthe clowns inside know it's losingAug 02 22:18
schestowitzit's a money shuffle trickAug 02 22:18
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, even Windows is "cloud" and "services" now.Aug 02 22:18
schestowitz 02 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft - Layoffs - TechrightsAug 02 22:19
DaemonFC[m]If you go long enough without installing an update, Windows will eventually get after you with "Windows is a service, and you must install these updates to continue receiving the service.".Aug 02 22:19
schestowitzyes, many people don't 'get' thatAug 02 22:20
DaemonFC[m]It used to just be an operating system. A program with no other purpose than to run your programs and manage the hardware. Suddenly it's a "service".Aug 02 22:20
schestowitzthey don't read the licence/eulaAug 02 22:20
schestowitzyou are a visitor on 'your' pcAug 02 22:20
DaemonFC[m]It won't even let you make a local account anymore unless you're offline when you install it.Aug 02 22:20
schestowitzwowAug 02 22:21
schestowitzworse than chromebooks thenAug 02 22:21
DaemonFC[m]Then in the "privacy" options" it says you have an advertising GUID linked to your account and you cannot get rid of it.Aug 02 22:21
schestowitzthey patented something related to it ages agoAug 02 22:21
DaemonFC[m]But you can opt out of "targeted" advertising.Aug 02 22:21
DaemonFC[m]So, you must have a Microsoft account with an advertising GUID linked to it.Aug 02 22:21
schestowitzArticle read 850 times alreadyAug 02 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Just to log into your own computer and run programs. Even if you never use any "cloud" stuff or the Windows store at all.Aug 02 22:22
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schestowitzbtw, the google stuff you did... people still link to itAug 02 22:23
schestowitzafaik, it is the only such record onlineAug 02 22:23
DaemonFC[m]:)Aug 02 22:23
schestowitzmicrosoft tried to knock offline cofee leaksAug 02 22:23
DaemonFC[m]I've never been comfortable with where Windows has been going since Windows 8, where they push you into using a "Microsoft Account" and having Windows phone home on you.Aug 02 22:23
DaemonFC[m]They have their pet media telling people just don't worry about what it says to Microsoft about you.Aug 02 22:24
DaemonFC[m]Painting people who are concerned about data collection as kooks and weirdos.Aug 02 22:24
DaemonFC[m]Not keeping as much of your computing as possible local is going  to hurt you eventually.Aug 02 22:25
schestowitzthey are hurting, tooAug 02 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Especially when you don't even have access to a real program that you need in order to read and modify data. Aug 02 22:25
schestowitzas people find out what tech doesAug 02 22:25
schestowitzand more people reject it wholesaleAug 02 22:25
schestowitzthe IBM buyout if worryingAug 02 22:26
schestowitzif you examine IBM's history with the USGAug 02 22:26
schestowitzand see WIkileaks/Vault 8Aug 02 22:26
schestowitzand see WIkileaks/Vault 7Aug 02 22:26
schestowitzthey don't come with good intentionsAug 02 22:26
schestowitzred hat employees will see the "real new boss" sooner or laterAug 02 22:26
DaemonFC[m]No. Systemd alone has a lot of attack surface.Aug 02 22:26
DaemonFC[m]It's not well designed even if it isn't backdoored. It's more complex than it has to be to do what it does.Aug 02 22:27
DaemonFC[m] 02 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | As jobs are lost in Homeoffice, hiring goes on in India - post regarding Walmart layoffsAug 02 22:33
DaemonFC[m]Walmart and Verizon laying off thousands and outsourcing to India. Aug 02 22:34
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Aug 02 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Looks like management they brought in from other companies is forcing reorgs on Red Hat. Sounds like morale in general among employees is low.Aug 02 22:35
superkuhThat's a shame. I found walmarts online customer service to be fantastic. Really fast and helpful.Aug 02 22:36
superkuhThey *were* trying to compete with amazon.Aug 02 22:36
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, now everything's AI.Aug 02 22:37
DaemonFC[m]It costs too much to pay someone to deal with your grocery item that was busted, so it just refunds your money and tells you to keep it.Aug 02 22:37
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is putting "Get Edge" spam into the middle of MSN news articles now.Aug 02 22:44
psydreadthings must be a lot worse than we think they are, if they are resorting to such desperate and ultimately ineffectual measuresAug 02 22:47
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: first pass doneAug 02 22:57
schestowitzwant to read?Aug 02 22:57
schestowitz[22:34] <DaemonFC[m]> Walmart and Verizon laying off thousands and outsourcing to India. Aug 02 22:57
schestowitz#lateStageCapitalismAug 02 22:57
schestowitz[22:37] <DaemonFC[m]> It costs too much to pay someone to deal with your grocery item that was busted, so it just refunds your money and tells you to keep it.Aug 02 22:59
DaemonFC[m]YeahAug 02 22:59
schestowitztoday I got wrong change at AldiAug 02 22:59
schestowitzI told him and he added the missing moneyAug 02 22:59
schestowitznot too many questions askedAug 02 22:59
schestowitzyou could in theory do it every timeAug 02 22:59
schestowitzbut this time I was in the rightAug 02 22:59
DaemonFC[m]No, Aldi here says if something was bad, they'll replace it and give you your money back.Aug 02 23:00
schestowitzthey're okAug 02 23:00
schestowitzand no machines yetAug 02 23:00
schestowitzactual workersAug 02 23:00
schestowitzwell paid, tooAug 02 23:00
DaemonFC[m]There's actual people shopping for your grocery pickup order at Walmart.Aug 02 23:00
DaemonFC[m]I guess that's better than what Richard Stallman feared. They'd force everyone to use self checks and the cashiers who lost their job wouldn't get another job.Aug 02 23:01
DaemonFC[m]From what I've observed, it does tend to be mostly white people using grocery pickup.Aug 02 23:01
DaemonFC[m]I think, at least here, white people are trying to run and hide from the virus as much as possible.Aug 02 23:02
schestowitzarticle photoAug 02 23:02
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DaemonFC[m]The dangers just don't seem to be getting communicated to black and hispanic/latino people and so they're getting absolutely crushed by this thing here in Lake County.Aug 02 23:02
DaemonFC[m]The worst hit parts of the county overlay perfectly with where the black and brown people live.Aug 02 23:03
DaemonFC[m]Waukegan is the epicenter for the Coronavirus.Aug 02 23:03
schestowitzThe situation at Red Hat isn't good, employee morale is very low, and yet -- perhaps unsurprisingly -- nobody seems to be talking about it (at least not in the mainstream media)Aug 02 23:04
DaemonFC[m]It is the county seat, but with less than 20% of the population, it's managed to get over 35% of all confirmed cases of the virus.Aug 02 23:04
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Nobody wants to give details that can be used to dox them.Aug 02 23:05
DaemonFC[m]They want to keep their head down and hope they don't lose their jobs anyway. Then if they do, they talk about it somewhere maybe.Aug 02 23:05
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: One thing I say someone say is that Microsoft pays well but don't make any long term plans.Aug 02 23:05
DaemonFC[m]Especially to retire from a career.Aug 02 23:06
DaemonFC[m]Experience and skills seem to matter less than salary.Aug 02 23:06
DaemonFC[m]Probably explains the products. Like Intel.Aug 02 23:07
DaemonFC[m]People who know they probably won't have a job for more than 5 or 10 years aren't going to have a connection to the company and feel like if it fails they're going to lose much.Aug 02 23:08
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: ok, done Aug 02 23:08
schestowitz 02 23:08
schestowitztypos assuredAug 02 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isn’t Even Using GNU/Linux | TechrightsAug 02 23:08
schestowitzhave a lookAug 02 23:08
schestowitzI too am having a look in tandemAug 02 23:08
DaemonFC[m]So sacking people over age costs you in ways you can't easily punch into a calculator.Aug 02 23:08
schestowitzwe'd be the first to mention thisAug 02 23:08
schestowitzwe mentioned rumours before, but now (2 months later) it is actually happeningAug 02 23:09
schestowitz[23:06] <DaemonFC[m]> Especially to retire from a career.Aug 02 23:09
schestowitzI heard from two Intel employees who leftAug 02 23:09
schestowitzthey don't have positive things to sayAug 02 23:09
schestowitzmany managers also left Intel recentlyAug 02 23:09
schestowitzlolAug 02 23:10
schestowitzJim needs to change nameAug 02 23:10
schestowitzto AllowHurstAug 02 23:10
DaemonFC[m]"NC area affect red hat"Aug 02 23:10
DaemonFC[m]Red Hat (capitalization)Aug 02 23:10
schestowitzamendedAug 02 23:11
DaemonFC[m]"even a rather large number of workers there."Aug 02 23:11
DaemonFC[m]"and a rather large number"Aug 02 23:11
DaemonFC[m]"two marketing departments etc."Aug 02 23:12
DaemonFC[m]two marketing departments, etc.Aug 02 23:12
schestowitzedited, cheersAug 02 23:13
DaemonFC[m]"Managers are sort of converging, conflicting, overlapping and so on."Aug 02 23:14
DaemonFC[m]I'd say that reads oddly.Aug 02 23:14
DaemonFC[m]"Managers are converging, conflicting, and overlapping."Aug 02 23:14
DaemonFC[m]"Last year I heard"Aug 02 23:15
DaemonFC[m]Last year, I heard"Aug 02 23:15
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schestowitz Managers are sort of converging in duties, conflicting in terms of roles, overlapping in the workflow sense and so on.Aug 02 23:15
schestowitzI am spotting and correcting more along the wayAug 02 23:16
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DaemonFC[m]"tie-in/lockin"Aug 02 23:18
DaemonFC[m]lock-inAug 02 23:19
schestowitzmy boss at datamation used to correct me on this termAug 02 23:19
schestowitzhe added the hyphenAug 02 23:19
DaemonFC[m]I think that a Red Hat Enterprise Linux with no Fedora is a matter of perhaps a couple of years off.Aug 02 23:21
DaemonFC[m]They're far more interested in what other big companies want in RHEL, and you could just as easily spin up RHEL 9 Technical Preview releases and see if that works out for them.Aug 02 23:22
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: IBM has managed plenty of operating systems that didn't get any outside input at all and doesn't seem to really care about Fedora. It's just a development structure that it inherited.Aug 02 23:24
DaemonFC[m]The BtrFS discussion had no talk from Red Hat. Some people kept saying "Let's talk to Red Hat and see why they dropped it from RHEL 8.".Aug 02 23:25
DaemonFC[m]Nobody from Red Hat ever offered any input, at least in public, on the BtrFS feature.Aug 02 23:25
DaemonFC[m]The file system situation in Fedora and Red Hat has already been quite different with RHEL defaulting to XFS and Fedora defaulting to Ext4 for a long time now.Aug 02 23:26
DaemonFC[m]Red Hat seems to have no interesting in actively developing Ext4 or a potential successor. They support it in the sense that you could install to it with non-default options, but they strongly discourage that, especially with large volume sizes.Aug 02 23:27
DaemonFC[m]*interestAug 02 23:27
DaemonFC[m]Linux distributions are by no means on the same page anymore regarding what a sane default should be for the file system or what, if anything, should replace Ext4. Aug 02 23:28
schestowitzI will add thatAug 02 23:29
schestowitzOne sure thing is, almost all distros sooner or later move to adopt systemd, sometimes because there's no other choice (too many dependencies upon it).Aug 02 23:29
schestowitzIBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isn't Even Using GNU/Linux 02 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isn’t Even Using GNU/Linux | TechrightsAug 02 23:31
schestowitzthanks, RyanAug 02 23:31
schestowitzThe Microsoft one was read 1100 times by nowAug 02 23:33
schestowitzand it's SUnday night, so not a good timeAug 02 23:33
schestowitzoh wait, 1300Aug 02 23:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isn’t Even Using GNU/Linux []Aug 02 23:33
schestowitzwow, the whole thing took longer than I expected it to takeAug 02 23:36
schestowitzbrb, coffeeAug 02 23:36
schestowitzthe key thing is, those posts are factual and also exclusiveAug 02 23:36
schestowitzwe don't just drone on about things that are shallow or already widely reported anywayAug 02 23:37
schestowitzeither correcting media lies and telling what media is refusing to tell e.g. epo corruptionAug 02 23:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.8 Released []Aug 02 23:42
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't seem that the media is particularly interested in doing anything but blame the Coronavirus for everything, and also insist that "it's layoff season at Microsoft anyway like it is every year".Aug 02 23:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #BunsenLabs #Linux Lithium Release Hits Stable After Two Years, Based on #Debian #Buster []Aug 02 23:52
DaemonFC[m]"Layoff season" shouldn't really be an annual event that you plan on.Aug 02 23:52
DaemonFC[m]I can only imagine what that does to the employees in there. The whole "Winter is coming!" attitude that it must bring with it where you try to look busy and shove other employees under the bus to save yourself. Aug 02 23:53
DaemonFC[m]Businesses that are well managed focus on core competency and things that will be around well into the future.Aug 02 23:54
DaemonFC[m]Advertising has only ever been profitable at scale, and Skype was a particular way to do something that fell out of favor and was already dated at the time they sold it and ran for the hills.Aug 02 23:55
DaemonFC[m]Then you have stuff that just doesn't make sense, like why they would be interested in acquiring an entire company for Minecraft. Aug 02 23:55
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MinceRbecause microshit is where game developer companies go to dieAug 02 23:58
DaemonFC[m]All of that wasted money in the Nokia deal to try to push Windows phones into a market that was already saturated. That was just completely stupid. Zune 2.0.Aug 02 23:59

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