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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Remote control of iPhones via WiFi was massive security fail - 9to5MacDec 03 00:15
XRevan86> /ampDec 03 00:16
XRevan86It's always DaemonFC[m] %)Dec 03 00:16
XRevan86Probably uses Google Chrome and Google Search on his smartphone.Dec 03 00:16
XRevan86or Brave or somethingDec 03 00:16
smnthermesOr VivaldiDec 03 00:18
XRevan86But definitely somewhere in the Google rabbit-hole.Dec 03 00:18
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schestowitzAriadne: after 3 days, if href cannot be reached, maybe it can still be arranged for him to pass the domain to someone else? Maybe I can try to manage it myself to some degree? Better than dead at least.Dec 03 04:58
AriadneI mean if we can t reach him how would we transfer the domain?Dec 03 05:19
schestowitzeventually he might turn upDec 03 05:19
schestowitzI suppose you know him in person because you spoke before about domain transfer and allDec 03 05:20
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DaemonFC[m]Yesterday was the worst day yet for Coronavirus deaths.Dec 03 06:08
schestowitz 03 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 6 AI Tools That Add Color to Old Black and White PhotosDec 03 06:09
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: wait till the holiday travel takes effectDec 03 06:09
schestowitzand older people catch it in dinner tablesDec 03 06:09
DaemonFC[m] 03 06:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lawmakers Balk At Trump Veto Threat, Barrel Ahead On Defense Bill Plans : NPRDec 03 06:14
DaemonFC[m]They have veto-proof majority for that, so....Dec 03 06:16
schestowitzthey put copyright stuff there, iircDec 03 06:17
schestowitzif the above is about ndaaDec 03 06:17
schestowitz 03 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Tis The Season: Congress Looks To Sneak In Unconstitutional Copyright Reform Bill Into 'Must Pass' Spending Bill | TechdirtDec 03 06:17
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schestowitz 03 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No Weekly Edition next week []Dec 03 06:34
schestowitz"Thursday, November 26 is the Thanksgiving holiday in the US. We traditionally take that week off to celebrate with our families and eat far too much food. The pandemic situation has turned family celebrations into a poor idea, but time off and food still seem like entirely appropriate ideas. Thus, there will be no LWN Weekly Edition on November 26."Dec 03 06:34
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schestowitz> Phipps 10 years ago: *Stallman lacks empathy*Dec 03 07:03
schestowitz> Dec 03 07:03
schestowitz> SFC 1 year ago: Censor StallmanDec 03 07:03
schestowitz> Dec 03 07:03
schestowitz> Collabora (Includes people who are close friends with Nat Friedman)Dec 03 07:03
schestowitz> *"Empathy does not mean censorship"*Dec 03 07:03
schestowitz> Dec 03 07:03
schestowitz> We have refuted the idea that autists are not incapable of empathy,Dec 03 07:03
schestowitz> however they are still viewed/stereotyped as being incapable.Dec 03 07:03
schestowitz> Dec 03 07:03
schestowitz> When you are demanding conformity with a (cynical buzzword) that a groupDec 03 07:03
schestowitz> is stereotyped as being incapable of, in the present climate it'sDec 03 07:03
schestowitz> extremely difficult to believe this doesn't directly target a certainDec 03 07:03
schestowitz> group of developers for discrimination. The fact that it's the one (orDec 03 07:03
schestowitz> perhaps one of two) group/s of people who seem "ineligible" forDec 03 07:03
schestowitz> protection against discrimination and stereotyping can't be ignoredDec 03 07:03
schestowitz> either. Can't say "bitch" to make a point, but you can sure sayDec 03 07:03
schestowitz> "neckbeard" without anybody skipping a beat.Dec 03 07:03
schestowitz>> We have refuted the idea that autists are not incapable of empathyDec 03 07:04
schestowitz> Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> Strike "not", sigh.Dec 03 07:04
schestowitzRe: Nothing GNU hereDec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *  19 new GNU releases in the last month (as of November 25, 2020):*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz>   full list:Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    automake-1.16.3 <- requires perl*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    bison-3.7.4 <- developed on GitHub*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz>     complexity-1.13Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz>     emms-6.0Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    gama-2.11 <- perl and png in docs*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz>     gmp-6.2.1Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    gnucobol-3.1 <- perl and flex*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    gnunet-0.14.0 <- uses perl and wolfssl (GitHub)*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz>     gnupg-2.2.25Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    grep-3.6 <- perl in unit tests*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    guix-1.2.0 <- uses elogind from GitHub*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    libredwg-0.11.1 <- perl*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    mdk-1.3.0 <- zlib1g, flex*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    parallel-20201122 <- perl*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz>     taler-0.8.1Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    texinfo-4.1 <- perl*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz>     unifont-13.0.04Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    units-2.21 <- perl, python*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> *    zile-2.4.15 <- perl in unit tests*Dec 03 07:04
schestowitz> Dec 03 07:05
schestowitz>   just perl:Dec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     automake-1.16.3 <- requires perlDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     grep-3.6 <- perl in unit testsDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     libredwg-0.11.1 <- perlDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     parallel-20201122 <- perlDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     texinfo-4.1 <- perlDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     zile-2.4.15 <- perl in unit testsDec 03 07:05
schestowitz> Dec 03 07:05
schestowitz>   not just perl:Dec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     bison-3.7.4 <- developed on GitHubDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     gama-2.11 <- perl and png in docsDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     gnucobol-3.1 <- perl and flexDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     gnunet-0.14.0 <- uses perl and wolfssl (GitHub)Dec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     guix-1.2.0 <- uses elogind from GitHubDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     mdk-1.3.0 <- zlib1g, flexDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     units-2.21 <- perl, pythonDec 03 07:05
schestowitz> Dec 03 07:05
schestowitz>   projects with key people hostile to stallman / friendly to coup:Dec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     gnupg-2.2.25Dec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     guix-1.2.0 <- uses elogind from GitHubDec 03 07:05
schestowitz>     unifont-13.0.04Dec 03 07:05
psydroidI think the US computer market is one of the more interesting ones to watch, as it seems Apple is most popular there with Google also having significant market share with its operating systems and Windows in decline again after some spike earlier this yearDec 03 07:06
psydroidIndia is already primarily on AndroidDec 03 07:06
psydroidSo more "neckbeard' attacks are to be expectedDec 03 07:07
kingoffrancewell (briefly) cocs are in charter schools too, and they want them in public as well (in us)...behavioral control;   yes, it is common now to accuse ppl of being autistic;   doesnt surprise me i guessDec 03 07:07
kingoffranceneckbeard used to be wise man lol  that one is kind of 180 it seemsDec 03 07:07
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kingoffranceim kind of amazed it could be an insult, but kind of notDec 03 07:08
kingoffranceanything but tech or freedom i guessDec 03 07:08
psydroidIt's a meaningless term used only to express your dissatisfaction with the major ransomware vehicle being in declineDec 03 07:08
psydroidAt least that's how I see it mainly usedDec 03 07:09
kingoffranceyes, theyll surely newspeak it too (replace with something else) when the time comesDec 03 07:09
kingoffrancei take these things seriously, but nevertheless its amazing they just parrot other ppl it seemsDec 03 07:10
kingoffranceserious distractions anywaysDec 03 07:10
kingoffranceits like the "open source" thing if you dont go along with the merger you get accused of being schizoDec 03 07:11
kingoffranceso not unexpectedDec 03 07:11
psydroidIn this case it seems all we have to to is to keep spreading the message of free software in whatever way possible and just sit and wait to see how the "open source" proponents (I.e. parasites) progress on their road to self-destructionDec 03 07:14
CrystalMathopen source stood up to the ethical source idiots, at leastDec 03 07:16
search_socialidk they are more genius than idiotDec 03 07:21
search_socialwell i guess it's not too much of an innovationDec 03 07:21
search_socialcompanies can already arbitrarily revoke licensesDec 03 07:21
search_socialthey just put a new spin on itDec 03 07:21
mjg59So closeDec 03 07:24
mjg59Autism doesn't mean people are incapable of empathyDec 03 07:24
schestowitztell that to PhippsDec 03 07:25
mjg59So Stallman's lack of empathy is his responsibility, not any hypothetical undiagnosed autistic spectrum disorderDec 03 07:25
schestowitzlet me find the tweetsDec 03 07:25
schestowitzhang onDec 03 07:25
schestowitzhere: 03 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | TechrightsDec 03 07:26
schestowitzscreenshotsDec 03 07:26
mjg59He's wrongDec 03 07:27
schestowitzapropos 03 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Crocodiles Can Only Ever Fake Empathy | TechrightsDec 03 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Against All Superficiality — Cancel Culture is About Assassination, Not Empathy or Love | TechrightsDec 03 07:27
schestowitzmjg59: so maybe you should cancel phipps, not rmsDec 03 07:27
schestowitzand write some blog post about "post-phipps OSI"Dec 03 07:28
schestowitzOSI is dead by the wayDec 03 07:28
schestowitzSFC is tooDec 03 07:28
schestowitzcorporate pawnsDec 03 07:28
schestowitztheir board and presidentsDec 03 07:28
mjg59As I said in 2009: 03 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be considering []Dec 03 07:28
schestowitzthey're becoming just corporate attaches nowDec 03 07:28
search_sociali've noticed anyone that claims someone else has a "lack of empathy" is always someone who has zero empathy themselvesDec 03 07:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google TranslateDec 03 08:03
psydroidBut the headline actually says the oppositeDec 03 08:13
psydroid"New research said a large part of the darknet is filled with crime"Dec 03 08:13
psydroidI guess there is still some work to be done on the translation engineDec 03 08:14
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psydroidSo several people are pointing out that Microsoft is doing so well with Office365 on Azure and AWS and I'm wondering if there is any truth to thatDec 03 11:05
psydroidAnd if it were true, why are they investing so much time in "loving" all free software projects out there?Dec 03 11:05
schestowitz 03 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft is Defrauding Its Shareholders While Laying Off About 5,000 Workers | TechrightsDec 03 11:06
psydroid 03 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-• Office suites market share U.S. 2020 | StatistaDec 03 11:12
psydroidIt's just lies and more liesDec 03 11:12
schestowitzlying is an indutry nowDec 03 11:26
schestowitzthey call it "perception management"Dec 03 11:26
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schestowitzAriadne: I changed to Dec 03 13:21
schestowitz  relay_channels:Dec 03 13:21
schestowitz    '#boycottnovell-social': []Dec 03 13:21
schestowitz    '#techrights':Dec 03 13:21
schestowitz      - ''Dec 03 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tux Machines ( - Mastodon for Tech FolksDec 03 13:21
schestowitz    '#tuxmachines':Dec 03 13:21
schestowitz      - ''Dec 03 13:21
schestowitzthen restarted the program/daemonDec 03 13:21
schestowitzis there anything else that needs changing?Dec 03 13:21
schestowitzit doesn't seem to be picking those updates from mastodon.technologyDec 03 13:22
schestowitzmaybe I edited the wrong yaml file?Dec 03 13:22
schestowitz 03 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ X Still Improving and Microsoft ’Embraces’ and 'Extends' Mesa, More DRM • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ Dec 03 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | X Still Improving and Microsoft 'Embraces' and 'Extends' Mesa, More DRM | Tux MachinesDec 03 13:27
schestowitz"Do you mean direct rendering manager there, or digital rights restriction? It's confusing when mesa is the subject..."Dec 03 13:27
schestowitz"Games avoiding the Windows API and performing system calls directly is an increasingly common occurrence by modern Windows games, seemingly in the name of Digital Rights Management schemes and similar protected modes"Dec 03 13:27
schestowitzI see no hard dependencies on Pleroma:  no matches in /home/viera/viera/viera# grep -R plerom *Dec 03 13:36
schestowitzso I wonder why it does not pick up those updates from mastodon? Maybe needs explicit authorisation... will dig around thatDec 03 13:37
schestowitz /msg viera  follow 03 13:39
schestowitzwas followedDec 03 13:39
schestowitzbut still no luckDec 03 13:39
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psydroid<schestowitz ""Games avoiding the Windows API "> Does that mean those games won't run older versions of Backdoors either? In that case they're painting themselves into a corner with fewer systems being able to run the monstrosity itself and the games, unless the hardware upgrade cycle is kept intact to force Backdoors 10 onto usersDec 03 13:54
schestowitzI did not look into itDec 03 13:55
schestowitzhere's a toughtDec 03 13:55
schestowitzactually many thoughtsDec 03 13:55
schestowitzlet me know your thoughts, tooDec 03 13:55
schestowitzso I am thinking 'aloud' hereDec 03 13:55
schestowitzRMS has his political notesDec 03 13:55
schestowitzI consider doing the same after the latest catastropheDec 03 13:56
schestowitzwhich is dying without warningDec 03 13:56
schestowitzaffecting both tuxmachines, techrights, the bots here in IRCDec 03 13:56
schestowitzwhile I try to see if the site can be salvaged, code can be amended and other factorsDec 03 13:56
schestowitzwhat if we either move those personal posts to my personal siteDec 03 13:56
schestowitzlike stallman.orgDec 03 13:56
schestowitzand for tuxmachines I can wait and see what happens... in case comes back one way or anotherDec 03 13:57
schestowitzor maybe we can do a post for social control media updates in wordpress in techrightsDec 03 13:57
schestowitzwhich would updates every few minutes, with latest updates, somehow...Dec 03 13:58
schestowitzrather than static text file in my own web site, as it would be had to manage without some CMS for multiple daysDec 03 13:58
schestowitzsocial control media is far too erraticDec 03 13:58
schestowitzsites changing APIs, go up and down, offline.retired far too oftenDec 03 13:58
schestowitzand we have no control over what they decideDec 03 13:59
schestowitzTwitter will block all non-JS users December 15Dec 03 13:59
schestowitzThey have been warning about it since last monthDec 03 13:59
schestowitzso twitter is a goner for sureDec 03 13:59
schestowitzI'm going to devote the rest of the day to cutting off that dependencyDec 03 14:00
schestowitzno reason to boycott FB and not Twitter >As well<Dec 03 14:00
schestowitznot anymoreDec 03 14:00
schestowitzTwitter is malwareDec 03 14:00
schestowitzand you have to run malicious JS and see ads to access the siteDec 03 14:00
schestowitzmore so December 15th onwardsDec 03 14:00
schestowitzwe have 12 days leftDec 03 14:00
schestowitzI can do some codingDec 03 14:00
schestowitzmaybe I can use the blog for social control media that's local to meDec 03 14:03
psydroidI would definitely agree with that move and have had no faith in social control media for years now, as you can't reasonably support something you don't have control overDec 03 14:14
psydroidWhen I hopefully get more powerful ARM hardware next year I will also contribute a node towards decentralisation efforts, but in the meantime I'm minimising my involvement with centralised technology to minimise the possibility of developing any further dependencies on themDec 03 14:18
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MinceR 03 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - TrolleyDec 03 14:23
CrystalMathi think with only 7 humanity's deadDec 03 14:26
schestowitzword in progress: 03 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsDec 03 14:33
schestowitzthis is updated by a script I've madeDec 03 14:33
schestowitzwork in progressDec 03 14:33
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MinceRwell yeah, with 7, it would eliminate all problems with human inbreeding, permanentlyDec 03 14:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - CureDec 03 14:41
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schestowitzAriadne: I wonder, if both sites (.site and .fr) are down without prior warning, is it possible they have a DC/routing/network issue? IIRC, he's French, so my first instinct was, maybe a protest against their dumb "global security law" nonsense?Dec 03 15:31
schestowitzI'm still hopeful the explanation is simple like, "datacenter got cut off, bringing down all the sites"Dec 03 15:31
schestowitzIn the meantime I've worked on making a real-time-updated page with all my posts in it: 03 15:32
schestowitzthere will be some softlink to latest date somewhere, I'll improve it over time. Twitter no longer seems to send full archives to users, not to me anyway (since 2016)Dec 03 15:32
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AVRSHi schestowitz. If I understand correctly, the browser extension IPFS Companion redirects some IPFS links to the local IPFS server. So it would be good if you format the CIDs as links.Dec 03 15:39
schestowitzhow would that be done?Dec 03 15:39
schestowitzipfs:// ?Dec 03 15:39
AVRSIt says "Support content-addressed IPFS paths (/ipfs/) and URIs (ipfs://) in your browser, and redirect them to the gateway of your choice"Dec 03 15:40
AVRSIt redirects<CID>Dec 03 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @<CID )Dec 03 15:40
schestowitzI don't want to use one particular domainDec 03 15:41
schestowitzas that would 1) defeat the dweb thingDec 03 15:41
schestowitz2) perpetuate our http/s dependenceDec 03 15:41
schestowitzpeople can feed the cid into a client that doesn't do http and htmlDec 03 15:41
schestowitzthat's what I was told by our ipfs expert anywayDec 03 15:41
AVRSI redirects links to your local IPFS server.Dec 03 15:43
AVRSAnd probably other links.Dec 03 15:43
AVRSBut it also uses if it disconnects from the server; I haven't found a setting to disable that.Dec 03 15:43
AVRS(maybe I confused something there)Dec 03 15:44
schestowitzso you want those to be hard links to that domain?Dec 03 15:45
schestowitzwhat if that domains goes down a decade later or less?Dec 03 15:45
AVRSipns://$cid_or_fqdnDec 03 15:45
AVRSipfs://$cidDec 03 15:45
AVRSdweb:/ipfs/$cidDec 03 15:45
AVRSdweb:/ipns/$cid_or_fqdnDec 03 15:46
AVRSfrom 03 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion: Browser extension that simplifies access to IPFS resources on the webDec 03 15:46
AVRSAh, there is a setting "Redirect failed HTTP requests for IPFS resources to the public gateway."Dec 03 15:47
schestowitzbut does that work just for that one piece of software?Dec 03 15:48
schestowitzI tried it on firefox, found it hard to useDec 03 15:48
schestowitzand it's considered experimentalDec 03 15:48
AVRSThe web UI seems to be hard to use to view things indeed.Dec 03 15:48
schestowitzI use the command lineDec 03 15:49
schestowitzipfs cat cid Dec 03 15:49
schestowitzthen you can pipe and manipulate  the output as you pleaseDec 03 15:49
schestowitzmost of those files are plain text, at least for nowDec 03 15:50
schestowitzso the idea is, in the long run, get rid of http and browsers completelyDec 03 15:50
schestowitzThis afternoon I work on leaving social control mediaDec 03 15:50
schestowitzthey all became a javascript messDec 03 15:50
schestowitzSo I make my js-free alternativeDec 03 15:50
schestowitz 03 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsDec 03 15:51
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: CNN reports that Obama, W, and Clinton are willing to take the Coronavirus vaccine on live TV.Dec 03 16:26
DaemonFC[m]Of course, who knows what they'd really be taking.Dec 03 16:26
DaemonFC[m]Might not be the vaccine at all. I don't think that a former president would be subjected to something where we really don't know what it does.Dec 03 16:27
DaemonFC[m]We don't. They admit that they have no idea what will happen to people 6 months after they take it, two years after they take it.Dec 03 16:27
DaemonFC[m]If this was a normal vaccine production process they wouldn't even be doing experiments on animals yet, much less millions of people.Dec 03 16:28
schestowitzmarketeeringDec 03 16:40
schestowitzthey also make the mistake of assuming people trust those folksDec 03 16:42
schestowitzthe people who reject the vaccine are likely not trusting ANY presidentDec 03 16:42
DaemonFC[m]What's funny is that both my parents turned on George W. Bush after putting him in the White House twice.Dec 03 16:52
DaemonFC[m]So does he influence anyone?Dec 03 16:52
DaemonFC[m]If he had endorsed Biden it would have done harm to Biden.Dec 03 16:52
DaemonFC[m]He left office with a very low approval rating and it hasn't gotten much better since he left. In fact, the same people, like mom and dad, who voted for his wars and economic disaster are just off to the "shiny new thing" of Trump, who has caused even bigger disasters, but they'll never admit that they were wrong or that they enabled what would at least border on crimes against humanity.Dec 03 16:54
DaemonFC[m]Trump is trying to get as many doses of the vaccine out the door before he leaves as possible to "deny Biden any credit for it".Dec 03 16:57
DaemonFC[m]Well, we might have a vaccine after a year, but Trump doesn't deserve any credit for that.Dec 03 16:58
DaemonFC[m]Congress passed a spending bill and drug companies with lots of doctors and scientists worked around the clock. Trump did nothing except tell people who wore face masks and socially distanced that they were a bunch of pussies.Dec 03 16:58
DaemonFC[m]While continuing his super spreader rallies, killing his own voters.Dec 03 17:00
DaemonFC[m]I think that we haven't seen the half of it yet as far as the deaths, and they're going to continue being heavily stacked towards the far right because it's become a "Democrat thing" to try to protect yourself. All the Republicans are flying, refusing masks, having mass gatherings at church and whatnot.Dec 03 17:01
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DaemonFC[m] 03 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2020: September - December Political Notes - Richard StallmanDec 03 19:27
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Dec 03 19:28
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: 6Dec 03 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Err, ^Dec 03 19:28
MinceRit's the christian fundamentalist wayDec 03 19:28
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I've emulated something similar to RMS' notesDec 03 19:29
schestowitzimplemented hours agoDec 03 19:29
schestowitzseeing that is down for nearly 4 days without explanationDec 03 19:29
schestowitz 03 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsDec 03 19:29
schestowitzstill work in progress, it'll improveDec 03 19:29
schestowitzI'm getting off the social control media trainDec 03 19:29
schestowitzit's a very dodgy train that crashes a lotDec 03 19:29
schestowitzRMSWasRightDec 03 19:30
schestowitzHosting your 'tweets' in your own site is the only way to goDec 03 19:30
DaemonFC[m] 03 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump frustrated with Barr after election comments but officials don't want AG fired, sources say - CNNPoliticsDec 03 19:30
schestowitzeven if there's no "audience"Dec 03 19:30
DaemonFC[m]At this point, firing Barr would just end his term as Attorney General 48 days before it will end anyway.Dec 03 19:30
DaemonFC[m]So there's no point, except to be petty. So it may happen yet.Dec 03 19:30
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: he'll be left with nothing but Duke Dec 03 19:30
schestowitzEven Limbaugh mocked himDec 03 19:30
psydroidWhat about creating "social control media" only by linking from your own controlled media to others who control their own media?Dec 03 19:32
psydroidIt's getting cheaper than ever to self-hostDec 03 19:32
DaemonFC[m]Überstupidführer Trump has clearly jumped the shark, but 73 million people voted for him, and now his brand of "politics" will be dominant even in a Republican Party without him.Dec 03 19:35
DaemonFC[m]QAnon and such.Dec 03 19:35
DaemonFC[m]I used to wonder about whether having states in charge of the federal elections was a good idea, but it seems like it may have been the only thing stopping Trump from issuing a flurry of executive orders and then who knows what was really going on in the "vote counting" rooms. Dec 03 19:36
DaemonFC[m]Lower party officials at the state level were not cooperative in helping him just outright steal the election.Dec 03 19:37
DaemonFC[m]They passed laws intending to nudge the election, but they weren't going to cooperate in some kind of a scheme to purportedly invalidate millions of votes from entire counties and appoint their own electors.Dec 03 19:38
DaemonFC[m]As a Democratic presidential candidate you have to overcome a huge mountain of Republican fraud against the voters and a system that was designed to give slave owners more say in national politics.Dec 03 19:39
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search_socialwell the democrats knew what was going on in the vote "counting" rooms cuz they staffed them and illegally ejected all the gop poll watchersDec 03 19:44
DaemonFC[m]That's actually wrong and even the Republican election officials have debunked that.Dec 03 19:51
DaemonFC[m]The lawsuits had nothing to do with how much access the poll "watchers" were getting. It was about their "right" to breathe down the necks of people trying to count votes, during a viral pandemic, and to harass and intimidate them.Dec 03 19:52
DaemonFC[m]In fact, during the $3 million (from the Trump campaign) Wisconsin partial recount that increased Biden's lead, at least a few Trump "poll watchers" had to be escorted out by the police for physically attacking the poll workers.Dec 03 19:53
DaemonFC[m]The state officials said the Trump poll "watchers" were objecting to "every ballot" for Biden and "didn't have the slightest clue" about the law in Wisconsin or on what grounds they could object to something.Dec 03 19:54
DaemonFC[m]And many of these stories are the same in states where the Republicans have a trifecta in the state government and were absolutely horrified that they had to declare that Trump lost their state in a fair and secure election. Dec 03 19:55
DaemonFC[m]If anything, their lie about "fair election" was that they deliberately introduce problems with voting so as to suppress turnout in "certain areas", to the benefit of Republicans.Dec 03 19:55
DaemonFC[m]And they'd never admit that if the election wasn't rigged by them, Biden would have done much better and probably would have even picked up North Carolina.Dec 03 19:56
search_socialrhinos aren't republicansDec 03 19:56
DaemonFC[m]It's the party of incestuous rural idiots.Dec 03 19:57
DaemonFC[m]That's really all their appeal is now.Dec 03 19:57
DaemonFC[m]People with webbed feet who are living in a trailer park somewhere.Dec 03 19:57
DaemonFC[m]If they weren't so stupid they wouldn't have much trouble finding employment.Dec 03 19:58
DaemonFC[m]But Trump comes along and distills it down to "jobs being stolen by Mexicans".Dec 03 19:58
search_sociali liked when all the dems who told people to learn to code got laid off from buzzfeedDec 03 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Hell, if they weren't so lazy their chances of retaining employment would be better.Dec 03 19:58
search_socialthen they got twitter to ban "learn to code" for hate speechDec 03 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Lazy, stupid, and strung out on drugs.Dec 03 19:58
DaemonFC[m]The areas Trump did well in are basically meth labs and opium dens.Dec 03 19:59
DaemonFC[m]Indiana has never had a problem with drugs and poverty like they do now.Dec 03 19:59
DaemonFC[m]All it took was the Republicans running the state for 16 years.Dec 03 19:59
Ariadneschestowitz: i don't think soDec 03 20:00
DaemonFC[m]That's all the time they needed to churn out a bunch of kids who never learned anything in school who can't find employment and are either doing drugs or killing themselves.Dec 03 20:00
DaemonFC[m]You want to see what the Republicans can do for your state? 20 years ago, Indiana was middle class blue collar union jobs.Dec 03 20:01
DaemonFC[m]Nothing was falling apart.Dec 03 20:01
DaemonFC[m]If you actually go there now, it's like white Detroit. Dec 03 20:01
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Agriculture is big in the state because it just has so much land that nobody wants to live in.Dec 03 20:02
DaemonFC[m]Everyone who isn't on Social Security has fled the state looking for jobs that still pay something and a decent standard of living.Dec 03 20:02
DaemonFC[m]They can keep their unemployment low because everyone who graduates college, just about, ends up fleeing the state at some point.Dec 03 20:03
DaemonFC[m]Even with all of the religious crazies with their unproductive litters, the state hasn't managed to grow its population really in over 2 decades.Dec 03 20:04
DaemonFC[m]The jobs that are there are the closest thing you can get to a sweatshop in a US state.Dec 03 20:04
DaemonFC[m]Trump won it by 17 points this time, I think.Dec 03 20:04
DaemonFC[m]That's the kind of hellhole that voted for him twice.Dec 03 20:04
DaemonFC[m]Illinois has structural problems, but what people forget was that the structure that gave us these problems was created by Republicans when Illinois was a red or purple state.Dec 03 20:06
DaemonFC[m]They're the ones that demanded the government structure we have under the 1970 constitution with the "16 layers of government" that they now complain about. Dec 03 20:07
DaemonFC[m]At the time, they were fine with that, even though it was no more efficient in 1970 than it is now.Dec 03 20:07
DaemonFC[m]it was seen as a place for Republican Party members to burrow and micromanage people's lives while they got versed in the ways of government and eventually moved up in the world.Dec 03 20:08
DaemonFC[m]That's what they like to do. Meddle.Dec 03 20:08
DaemonFC[m]They don't shrink government, unless those spots are currently occupied by Democratic Party members, like the at-large seats on the Indianapolis council that the Indiana state government abolished after giving on on flipping them back in a fair election.Dec 03 20:09
DaemonFC[m]That blew up on them big time though.Dec 03 20:11
DaemonFC[m]The new council is 20 Democrats to 5 Republicans because people saw that for what it was and turned out and picked off a bunch of Republicans from the district seats following that.Dec 03 20:11
DaemonFC[m]At the time, Democrats had 15 seats (including the 4 at-large) and Republicans had 14.Dec 03 20:14
DaemonFC[m]So the Republicans said "Oh, well, we'll just fix that and then it'll be 14 Republicans and 11 Democrats.".Dec 03 20:14
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DaemonFC[m]But then there were new elections that flipped so many seats that the mayor is now a Democrat and the Democrats outnumber the Republicans 20 to 5. It only took 5 years. Dec 03 20:15
DaemonFC[m]The power grab actually left the Republicans with so few members of city government that they can't do anything now.Dec 03 20:16
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: wanna read something?Dec 03 20:34
schestowitzAriadne: that it's coming back?Dec 03 20:35
MinceR(cat) 03 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4772449)Dec 03 20:37
schestowitzAriadne: can the bot for tuxmachines be pointer at its account? I had a go at it several times today, but to no effect... I think it's possible to at least restore that stream for now?Dec 03 20:44
schestowitzMy latest attempt it at /viera/viera/viera-mastodon.yamlDec 03 20:44
MinceR 03 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - FTLDec 03 20:51
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Dec 03 20:53
DaemonFC[m]Sorry, schestowitz Was busy figuring out how to use an ebay gift card from ibotta.Dec 03 20:53
DaemonFC[m]I just take my payouts as gift cards.Dec 03 20:53
DaemonFC[m]They say put it in your bank and just trust this clown startup with your banking credentials it's super secure. We're super cereal.Dec 03 20:54
DaemonFC[m]I don't think so.Dec 03 20:54
DaemonFC[m]I have no idea how some of these sellers get their merchandise so cheaply.Dec 03 20:55
DaemonFC[m]They beat Nintendo's list price for that game by $20 and free shipping?Dec 03 20:55
schestowitz 03 20:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Censored EPO Publication: Staff Cannot Comment on the Administrative Council’s Meetings? | TechrightsDec 03 20:55
schestowitzanyway i know you're busy nowDec 03 20:55
schestowitzhopefully no typosDec 03 20:55
DaemonFC[m]I'm fine now.Dec 03 20:55
DaemonFC[m]Had to update a bunch of ebay stuff. Haven't used it since Fox Lake.Dec 03 20:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: What do you think about Snowden's accusation that the US State Department intentionally waited to invalidate his passport so that he'd be trapped in Russia and discredited when they finally did?Dec 03 20:57
Ariadneschestowitz: you have to ask the bot to actually subscribeDec 03 20:57
schestowitzI triedDec 03 20:57
schestowitzand it did nothing I could seeDec 03 20:57
schestowitztired over feenodeDec 03 20:58
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schestowitz*triedDec 03 20:58
schestowitzI read the manualDec 03 20:58
schestowitz[13:39] <-> viera>  follow 03 20:59
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DaemonFC[m]"many of whom entirely unqualified"Dec 03 20:59
DaemonFC[m]are entirely unqualifiedDec 03 20:59
schestowitzthanks, correctedDec 03 20:59
DaemonFC[m]with French as the mother’s tongue, Campinos includedDec 03 20:59
schestowitzthough I saw it before and deemed it acceptableDec 03 20:59
DaemonFC[m]I would do quotation marks here and drop the commaDec 03 21:00
schestowitzaround mother’s tongue?Dec 03 21:00
DaemonFC[m]with "French-as-the-mother-tongue" Campinos included. Dec 03 21:00
schestowitzah, okDec 03 21:00
DaemonFC[m]You're trying to call him out for that, right?Dec 03 21:00
schestowitzah, noDec 03 21:01
schestowitzyou change the meaning of itDec 03 21:01
schestowitzhe's one of manyDec 03 21:01
DaemonFC[m]"Tonight we release this report in English"Dec 03 21:01
schestowitz" with "French-as-the-mother-tongue" cabal, Campinos included"Dec 03 21:01
DaemonFC[m]The hyperlink should just be "this report" and then I'd continue ", in English.:.Dec 03 21:02
DaemonFC[m]ErrrDec 03 21:02
DaemonFC[m]", in English."Dec 03 21:02
schestowitzdoneDec 03 21:02
schestowitzadded to 03 21:03
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schestowitz2.3 million views nowDec 03 21:03
DaemonFC[m]"It’s not new but now that"Dec 03 21:03
DaemonFC[m]It's not new, but now thatDec 03 21:03
DaemonFC[m]"This is nothing short of Mafia."Dec 03 21:04
DaemonFC[m]Nothing short of "a" mafia?Dec 03 21:04
DaemonFC[m]There's more than one mob, and the word should just be used generically.Dec 03 21:05
schestowitzI'd stay with current wordingDec 03 21:05
schestowitzcorresponds to how workers call itDec 03 21:05
schestowitzTHE "Mafia"Dec 03 21:05
schestowitzThey have other words for itDec 03 21:05
schestowitz"Putin"Dec 03 21:05
DaemonFC[m]I'd say, figuratively speaking, patent trolls could be considered as similar to the Mafia or the Yakuza. Dec 03 21:05
DaemonFC[m]Especially the MPEG-LA.Dec 03 21:05
schestowitz 03 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | MPEG-LA - TechrightsDec 03 21:05
DaemonFC[m]They won't literally have you killed, but they'll destroy your business even though they produce nothing.Dec 03 21:06
DaemonFC[m]Nothing except junk standards based one well known algorithms.Dec 03 21:06
DaemonFC[m]*onDec 03 21:06
schestowitzthey go after gnu linux distrosDec 03 21:06
schestowitzcommunity onesDec 03 21:06
schestowitzto kill them offDec 03 21:06
schestowitzshut them downDec 03 21:06
schestowitzand not a word saidDec 03 21:06
schestowitzso it makes you understand why Microsoft sponsors these trollsDec 03 21:07
DaemonFC[m]The algorithms that were described in things like MP3 and AAC were well known and obvious, and they still got patents.Dec 03 21:07
DaemonFC[m]AAC should have been possible to patent in 1997 for sure. Especially the LC profile. Dec 03 21:07
DaemonFC[m]*should notDec 03 21:07
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It was pretty disgusting to see Thomson firing everyone who was actually making stuff and then resort to patent trolling.Dec 03 21:12
DaemonFC[m]And those people in the patent trolling division....most of that income was just licensing MP3 over and over and hiding the tax in software and hardware people kept buying.Dec 03 21:13
DaemonFC[m]Even stuff that wasn't going to be used to play any MP3s.Dec 03 21:13
DaemonFC[m]They really loved MP3. Not as a great technology, but as a way to shake people down for trying to fit music in cramped storage devices.Dec 03 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Apple and the RIAA were behind switching their iPods to flash memory way before it was ready.Dec 03 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Not only did it mean they were practically useless for storing lossless music, but you couldn't even store very many lossy files, and unlike other MP3 players, they tried to obfuscate the protocol so you wouldn't just plug them into your friend's computer and upload all your music so they could have a copy too.Dec 03 21:15
DaemonFC[m]Then they used "watermarkings" on their iTunes store after they removed DRM, so that they could set people up for lawsuits if the RIAA wanted to figure out who was behind a file that made its way to a sharing service.Dec 03 21:16
DaemonFC[m]That lasted about a decade and then DRM came back. Same thing people complained about is now welcomed with open arms as "streaming".Dec 03 21:17
DaemonFC[m]It wasn't surrender. Like so many things, it was a temporary cease-fire that was to their advantage while they figured out a better way to press forward with their attack.Dec 03 21:17
DaemonFC[m]That's how I see this Microsoft loves Linux thing.Dec 03 21:18
DaemonFC[m]They've temporarily called the dogs off so that people will welcome them as liberators. Dec 03 21:18
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It can't be a coincidence that TechRepublic wrote a very long article yesterday called "Microsoft loves Linux"Dec 03 21:18
schestowitzI saw thatDec 03 21:19
schestowitzit's not an articleDec 03 21:19
schestowitzit's a Mcirosoft moleDec 03 21:19
schestowitzMaryDec 03 21:19
schestowitzwe wrote about herDec 03 21:19
DaemonFC[m]It contained nothing substantive, at all, and nothing at all but fawning over Microsoft-isms and their takeovers of open source. Dec 03 21:19
schestowitzignore, move onDec 03 21:19
schestowitzdont' clickDec 03 21:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The part about WSL2 being installed causing laptop power management issues might be worth throwing out there in passing if you get an opportunity.Dec 03 21:20
schestowitznever mindDec 03 21:20
schestowitzmove onDec 03 21:20
schestowitzdon't want to feed these plants in mediaDec 03 21:20
DaemonFC[m]You know, not only is is a poor takeover attempt but they even manage to break Windows 10, again, with their own takeover attempt.Dec 03 21:20
schestowitztechrepublic is cbsDec 03 21:20
schestowitzsame as zdnetDec 03 21:20
DaemonFC[m]*itDec 03 21:20
schestowitzthey have as clients those companiesDec 03 21:21
schestowitzPRDec 03 21:21
DaemonFC[m]I think it's worth pointing out that they're so incompetent that they've even bungled the code they're pitching as a Linux substitute to the point where it causes the entire laptop to malfunction until you back it out.Dec 03 21:22
DaemonFC[m]That's a big haha.Dec 03 21:22
schestowitzI'd rather notDec 03 21:22
schestowitzif it mentions WSLDec 03 21:22
schestowitzany mention of it helps themDec 03 21:22
schestowitzand it's a misnomer, tooDec 03 21:22
schestowitzPhoronix discredits itself by mentioning itDec 03 21:23
schestowitzI noticed it mostly stoppedDec 03 21:23
schestowitzI kept asking Michael toDec 03 21:23
schestowitzbut those moles still have the official Ubuntu blogDec 03 21:23
schestowitzfor their WSL spamDec 03 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the interesting part here is that Lenovo only certifies Ubuntu, RHEL, and sometimes Fedora.Dec 03 21:25
DaemonFC[m]All distributions that are now basically satellite states for Microsoft in their new Cold War on Linux.Dec 03 21:25
DaemonFC[m]Speaking of which, mjg59went from Canonical to Red Hat.Dec 03 21:25
schestowitzhe is in Google nowDec 03 21:26
mjg59I was never at CanonicalDec 03 21:26
DaemonFC[m]So it's interesting that he bothered to turn up here. Ostensibly to accuse you of being a rape supporter, which should be incredibly beneath someone, and disingenuous at that.Dec 03 21:26
schestowitzGoogle employed Andy RubinDec 03 21:27
schestowitzwho asked for a blow job from his 'inferior'Dec 03 21:27
schestowitzI don't think that's even a part he'd disputeDec 03 21:27
DaemonFC[m]What Ubuntu and Red Hat are now are basically what East Germany was to the Soviet Union.Dec 03 21:27
schestowitzhis ex wife makes tall claims to weaonise the media, but the guy is part of the ugly side of GoogleDec 03 21:27
schestowitzGoogle is a spy agencyDec 03 21:28
schestowitza for-profit oneDec 03 21:28
DaemonFC[m]It's just a total coincidence that as the Soviet Union collapsed and couldn't continue injecting the puppet state with subsidies, that they gave up and disbanded their "sovereign state".Dec 03 21:28
schestowitzthat works through contracts Dec 03 21:28
schestowitzand griftDec 03 21:28
schestowitzlots of defence budget for decades nowDec 03 21:28
schestowitzit's strategic for "full-spectrum dominance"Dec 03 21:28
DaemonFC[m]And I think the same will eventually happen with some of these companies that are working closely with Microsoft now, because that's always what does happen when Microsoft is finished with their "partners".Dec 03 21:28
schestowitzThe schemes that drive up insane Murica close to 30,000 BILLION dollars in debtDec 03 21:28
schestowitzjust trying hard to cling to their empireDec 03 21:28
schestowitznow full of tent cities, riots, and qanon loons (coz the head stops working)Dec 03 21:29
schestowitzI'd never let people from ibm, google and microsoft lecture us on ethicsDec 03 21:30
schestowitzI'd say, mind your own "fucking business"... and mean fucking LITERALLYDec 03 21:31
schestowitzGates employs lots of serious perverts and befriends child traffickersDec 03 21:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, you know, I'd be less polite.Dec 03 21:31
DaemonFC[m]I'd say hey mjg59 ,  aren't you the people turning over search, email, and GDrive data through PRISM to an unconstitutional mass spying program?Dec 03 21:32
DaemonFC[m]How much damage has that done to formerly free countries when Google gives their data to be used against them in secret courts with gag orders?Dec 03 21:32
DaemonFC[m]Also, is that why you fuck around with people on VPNs so much unless they log in and identify themselves?Dec 03 21:33
DaemonFC[m]And what gives you the goddamned right to criticize anyone from that platform?Dec 03 21:33
DaemonFC[m]Your company gets people black bagged and murdered by states like Communist China.Dec 03 21:34
DaemonFC[m]You have no high ground.Dec 03 21:34
schestowitzhe knowsDec 03 21:34
schestowitzso he won't replyDec 03 21:34
schestowitzok, ok..Dec 03 21:34
schestowitzbut i'd sayDec 03 21:34
schestowitz"wanna be ethical?"Dec 03 21:34
schestowitzStart by looking for a job that's ethicsDec 03 21:34
schestowitzor by working for ethical peopleDec 03 21:35
schestowitzchanelling the talent into something positibveDec 03 21:35
DaemonFC[m]The US DoJ complaint against Google doesn't even seek to remedy any of those problems.Dec 03 21:35
schestowitzcan do far more good than some words in "tweets"Dec 03 21:35
DaemonFC[m]It just says they need to be carved up to make way for Microsoft to expand.Dec 03 21:35
DaemonFC[m]And that's obviously not any better.Dec 03 21:35
mjg59I'm with the people making it as hard as possible for people's data to be stolenDec 03 21:36
schestowitzhahahaDec 03 21:36
schestowitzin GoogleDec 03 21:36
schestowitzgood oneDec 03 21:36
schestowitzlet me get beerDec 03 21:36
DaemonFC[m]That would be by not giving it to Google, for damned sure.Dec 03 21:36
schestowitzlike the "good people" in the armyDec 03 21:36
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schestowitz"join  the army, change it from the inside!"Dec 03 21:36
schestowitz"Talk to widows after we kill their families with bombs :-)"Dec 03 21:36
DaemonFC[m]Which comedian was it that said that the government destroyed the economy so that they could send the recruiters into school not having to offer much of anything, really, at all?Dec 03 21:37
DaemonFC[m]"Hungry? Need a warm bed? There's a place for you in the army!"Dec 03 21:37
schestowitzmjg59: the fact is, people's data is stoken the moment google grabs itDec 03 21:37
DaemonFC[m]Carlin?Dec 03 21:37
schestowitzGoogle just wants to keep a monopoly on this stolen dataDec 03 21:37
schestowitzto monetise itDec 03 21:37
schestowitzand to pass it on to the armyDec 03 21:37
schestowitzto better bomb people Dec 03 21:37
schestowitzso keep on doing that "good job"Dec 03 21:38
DaemonFC[m]It's not enough for Google that Android itself is a platform for their adtech and spyware.Dec 03 21:38
DaemonFC[m]They shove "telemetry binaries" into every application in the Play Store.Dec 03 21:39
schestowitz240mb of traffic overnight, phoning mama shipDec 03 21:39
DaemonFC[m]So, even if it's a Free Software program, those get jammed in.Dec 03 21:39
schestowitzwith all pertinent movement details and moreDec 03 21:39
DaemonFC[m]Unless you get it from F-Droid. Dec 03 21:39
schestowitzfor the us army to profile billions of peopleDec 03 21:39
schestowitzeven communist china has not gone that far (yet)Dec 03 21:39
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, then they have this COVID-19 spyware that popped up in firmware for Android and iOS that nobody requested.Dec 03 21:40
mjg59Binaries uploaded to the Play Store aren't modifiedDec 03 21:40
schestowitzthey are wired to other modulesDec 03 21:40
mjg59Otherwise you wouldn't be able to verify that Signal was signed with their keyDec 03 21:40
schestowitzones that Google controlsDec 03 21:40
schestowitzSignal is a jokeDec 03 21:40
DaemonFC[m]I do wonder if that does shit on its own or if you have to have an app that hooks into it. If so, how long before the government foists those apps on you by turning some legit software into a Trojan?Dec 03 21:40
schestowitzdeveloped on Microsoft servers, needs a 'phone' number, wikileaks showed it's bypassed by the CIDec 03 21:41
schestowitzCIADec 03 21:41
DaemonFC[m]Illinois Governor Pritzker was saying that he was looking at "COVID-19 apps" but was frustrated that 80% of people would never voluntarily cooperate.Dec 03 21:41
DaemonFC[m]So that's usually the point where they "involuntarily cooperate" somehow.Dec 03 21:41
schestowitzcovidsafe in australia passed the data to spiesDec 03 21:41
DaemonFC[m]And Google has set up at least the framework.Dec 03 21:41
schestowitzand idiots who installed it are the REAL "covidiots"Dec 03 21:41
DaemonFC[m]I would never knowingly install something like that.Dec 03 21:42
DaemonFC[m]Illinois has "Contact Tracers". Just another Democrat scam to give make work to union assholes who will funnel the money into their campaign coffers...... I hope.Dec 03 21:42
DaemonFC[m]But probably something more malicious.Dec 03 21:43
schestowitztime will tellDec 03 21:44
schestowitzonce you give the data, it's goneDec 03 21:44
schestowitzyou cannot 'have it back'Dec 03 21:44
schestowitzand they study your walking routes, who you meet etc.Dec 03 21:45
schestowitzon a long-term basisDec 03 21:45
schestowitzthose habits don't change much over the yearsDec 03 21:45
schestowitz"we know where to find you"Dec 03 21:45
schestowitz"we know what you did last summer"Dec 03 21:45
schestowitzGoogle is "market leader" in thisDec 03 21:45
schestowitzworldwideDec 03 21:45
mjg59Literally the entire point of the contact tracing infrastructure is that it doesn't report your location to anyoneDec 03 21:46
DaemonFC[m]Google does track and store your phone's movements.Dec 03 21:47
DaemonFC[m]That's how they caught that dumb street thug who robbed me at gunpoint and was too stupid to turn off (or not steal) the phone.Dec 03 21:47
mjg59If you enable that in location services, sureDec 03 21:47
DaemonFC[m]It's on by default.Dec 03 21:47
mjg59But the contact tracing infrastructure doesn't do thatDec 03 21:47
DaemonFC[m]This is what's wrong with the entitlement mentality of BLM and their enablers.Dec 03 21:48
DaemonFC[m]They could have made $15 an hour at McDonalds, and instead they chose to rob a guy of an old Android phone that would get them $100 maybe, to split three ways, and it tracked them all the way back to their hive and they got two years of house arrest and each one got a fine that was 50 times more than the phone was worth.Dec 03 21:49
DaemonFC[m]You don't want to work. There's some guy you can rob.Dec 03 21:49
DaemonFC[m]You can torch that immigrant's gas station after stealing all his stuff, for the second time in the same summer, and force him out of Chicago.Dec 03 21:49
DaemonFC[m]You can declare that you've turned people's property that they worked for in a Seattle neighborhood into a commune.Dec 03 21:50
DaemonFC[m]And there's a bunch of these hippy dippy assholes like Garrett who get into Google and have this doublethink.Dec 03 21:50
DaemonFC[m]Where they say that and help the regime they claim they don't like. Dec 03 21:50
DaemonFC[m]At the same time.Dec 03 21:51
DaemonFC[m]Maybe if mjg59 is really progressive he'll lobby Google to quit spying on people. After all, they would have gotten away with it too had the phone not been leaking data like a sieve.Dec 03 21:52
DaemonFC[m]:)Dec 03 21:52
DaemonFC[m]Just throwing that out there. Planting seeds.Dec 03 21:52
DaemonFC[m]Those poor immigrants in Chicago, trapped between fire and flood.Dec 03 21:53
DaemonFC[m]Trump and his "shithole countries" and the Gimmedat Party.Dec 03 21:53
mjg59What makes you think I'm not doing that?Dec 03 21:55
DaemonFC[m]Obviously, that's been going well because my latest phone has everything the last one did plus COVID spyware.Dec 03 21:56
DaemonFC[m]Then there's that "Bluetooth LE is on even when the icon says bluetooth is off" stuff.Dec 03 21:56
DaemonFC[m]But you know that, don't you?Dec 03 21:56
schestowitzGoogle workers benefit from that ployDec 03 21:56
schestowitzthey even make APIs for itDec 03 21:56
schestowitzit's a global power grabDec 03 21:57
schestowitzakin to "Smart cities"Dec 03 21:57
schestowitzand that data travels farDec 03 21:57
DaemonFC[m]Executives are always assholes, even when they ruin the company they're the "smartest person ever".Dec 03 21:57
schestowitzso be suspicious of ANY security poser who defends such a thingDec 03 21:57
mjg59The covid stuff literally does not upload data anywhereDec 03 21:57
DaemonFC[m]That Gael Duval, was that his name?Dec 03 21:57
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, ruined Mandriva with bad business deals and not finding a business model that worked.Dec 03 21:58
DaemonFC[m]Blamed the French government for forcing it into bankruptcy, stopping him from squandering money that he owed as severance pay to the employees.Dec 03 21:58
schestowitz[21:57] <mjg59> The covid stuff literally does not upload data anywhereDec 03 21:58
schestowitzit doesDec 03 21:58
DaemonFC[m]Had they not seized it, it would not have saved the company.Dec 03 21:58
mjg59No, it doesn'tDec 03 21:58
schestowitzinc. tower erc.Dec 03 21:58
DaemonFC[m]That's the point of involuntary bankruptcy.Dec 03 21:58
schestowitzstop lyingDec 03 21:58
schestowitzit makes you look badDec 03 21:58
mjg59The Australian covid tracing app may do soDec 03 21:58
mjg59The Apple/Google framework doesn'tDec 03 21:59
schestowitzlolDec 03 21:59
schestowitzchange goalposts againDec 03 21:59
mjg59Given that we're talking about Google, obviously I'm talking about the one that Google's involved inDec 03 21:59
mjg59The apps that use that framework do not report any location dataDec 03 22:00
smnthermes> ‎[18:58:00] ‎DaemonFC[m]‎: Anyway, ruined Mandriva with bad business deals and not finding a business model that worked.Dec 03 22:00
smnthermesThere's also his current /e/ projectDec 03 22:00
mjg59Your phone generates a random identifier and periodically rotates itDec 03 22:00
mjg59You record identifiers that you're nearDec 03 22:00
mjg59If someone is diagnosed as being positive, they can choose to upload the identifiers that their phone usedDec 03 22:00
mjg59Other phones then download those identifiers and see whether they match the ones they sawDec 03 22:01
mjg59If so, they alert you that you may have come in contact with someone who tested positive and should get testedDec 03 22:01
smnthermes 03 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ewwloDec 03 22:01
mjg59No location data is keptDec 03 22:01
mjg59The only time you ever upload something is when you explicitly choose to share the fact that you tested positiveDec 03 22:01
mjg59Some governments chose to implement something that doesn't preserve privacyDec 03 22:02
mjg59It's completely reasonable to criticise them for thatDec 03 22:03
mjg59But the stuff that's being rolled out in the US and the UK doesn't do thatDec 03 22:03
DaemonFC[m]I'm not cooperating with anyone.Dec 03 22:03
DaemonFC[m]I'm not going to take a COVID test.Dec 03 22:04
DaemonFC[m]I've told my spouse, and we agreed, no tests.Dec 03 22:04
DaemonFC[m]Also, we're probably going to wait and see what this vaccine actually does to people.Dec 03 22:04
DaemonFC[m]Given that they can't make it fast enough anyway, we'll probably see what it does to the people who got it in December or January at least through May or June before it's available anyway.Dec 03 22:05
DaemonFC[m]So it may not even be a choice.Dec 03 22:05
DaemonFC[m]But, I don't trust anything that comes out of USCIS.Dec 03 22:05
DaemonFC[m]Especially not under this administration.Dec 03 22:05
DaemonFC[m]They might say they wouldn't hold positive COVID against an immigrant today, but they won't feel bound by that tomorrow.Dec 03 22:05
DaemonFC[m]They're liars. They've proven repeatedly that nothing they say will bind them later whether it was the truth or not. Dec 03 22:06
DaemonFC[m]I'm growing more skeptical of the government by the minute on this whole thing.Dec 03 22:06
DaemonFC[m]And to see anything pop up in my phone that says COVID-19 in the firmware, it just smells of spyware. Dec 03 22:07
DaemonFC[m]No user was asked if they wanted this framework and no user can remove it. Dec 03 22:07
mjg59It does nothing unless you enable itDec 03 22:07
schestowitzmjg59: on a more productive noteDec 03 22:08
schestowitzlet's discuss LFDec 03 22:08
DaemonFC[m]mjg59: So, you know, I was looking around on the internet regarding probationers last year.Dec 03 22:08
schestowitzSeems like the new #LinuxFoundation 2020 annual report was not, FOR A CHANGE, made on a “MAC” with #proprietarySoftware but it’s looking to me like they merely obfuscated the metadata to avert PR catastropheDec 03 22:08
schestowitzI never heard/read about a 100-page annual report generator running on Sharp Zaurus XR-5000 (Maemo5) Edition (in 2020!) with Linux kernel 0.12.1 for Workgroups. What is #LinuxFoundation hiding?Dec 03 22:08
schestowitzReminder: #linuxfoundation operates at a loss because Zemlin and “the boys” are grifting, milking away the “LINUX” brand 03 22:08
DaemonFC[m]Many people say they got caught going out of state without permission because Google or their carrier will just hand over their location history.Dec 03 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While ‘His’ Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261 | TechrightsDec 03 22:08
MinceR 03 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4826052)Dec 03 22:08
schestowitzis zelin still "rocking an hypePad", mjg59Dec 03 22:09
schestowitzJim zemlinDec 03 22:09
mjg59ProbablyDec 03 22:09
mjg59He was last time I saw himDec 03 22:09
schestowitzthey make their reports on MacsDec 03 22:09
schestowitzno way they made this one on a Sharp Zaurus Dec 03 22:09
schestowitzit's 100 pages longDec 03 22:09
schestowitzwith graphics and allDec 03 22:09
DaemonFC[m]So you can, you know, lie, you can have people refuse to talk, you can avoid using credit cards while you're there, but your phone will just rat you out and maybe land you in jail.Dec 03 22:09
schestowitzthey're trolling people who check metaDec 03 22:09
DaemonFC[m]Turn it off and put it in one of those faraday boxes that comes with a toll road pass, I suppose?Dec 03 22:10
DaemonFC[m]I'm off probation now anyway, and I had permission (standing permission) from the court to be there, but I still turned my phone off and put it in the box and paid cash while I was there.Dec 03 22:10
DaemonFC[m]There's times when I want to discuss things, and I still power the phones off and go in the other room and close the door.Dec 03 22:11
AriadnewhatDec 03 22:11
DaemonFC[m]Because you jut can't trust the device. Dec 03 22:11
Ariadnewhat is this report with fake metadataDec 03 22:11
schestowitzAriadne: wait..Dec 03 22:12
schestowitz 03 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Download the 2020 Linux Foundation Annual Report - The Linux FoundationDec 03 22:12
schestowitzalso mentioned in 03 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation 2020 annual report []Dec 03 22:12
schestowitzsee 03 22:12
DaemonFC[m]I discussed with my attorney (before I got permission to leave Illinois on bail) that John was threatening to make false police reports to get me in trouble and the situation was becoming untenable.Dec 03 22:12
schestowitzsee 03 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Foundation is Not Even Using Linux to Prepare and Publish the Linux Kernel History Report | TechrightsDec 03 22:12
schestowitz 03 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Video From Derek Taylor: The Linux Foundation Doesn’t Use Linux to Create Reports | TechrightsDec 03 22:12
DaemonFC[m]He told me he couldn't advise me to leave the state but "They're not tracking your phone.". I stopped him right there and said, "Oh but they are, even if you haven't done anything wrong, they are.".Dec 03 22:13
Ariadnewho cares if Apache Foundation 2.0 made their reports on a mac anywayDec 03 22:13
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: you are violating many CoCs by making the poor lad uncomfortable about being a slave of GoogleDec 03 22:13
superkuhYes. Base station multilateration is stored in the USA for 2-5 years minimum based on telco.Dec 03 22:13
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: let's talk about LF insteadDec 03 22:14
Ariadnegiven that kwin keeps fucking up on me, i might go back to using a mac for my desktop needs tbhDec 03 22:14
superkuhWith modern clocks it's positioning accuracy is well under 100m.Dec 03 22:14
schestowitzhe knows some people there better than us, DaemonFC[m]Dec 03 22:14
DaemonFC[m]So if you have any terribly dark secrets, I suggest you file them somewhere cold and dark in your own head and never talk about it, or at least ditch the phones somewhere first.Dec 03 22:14
schestowitzAriadne: that would be a massive regressionDec 03 22:14
DaemonFC[m]<superkuh "With modern clocks it's position"> I had to explain clock drift to Mandy.Dec 03 22:14
Ariadnewould it?Dec 03 22:15
schestowitzyeahDec 03 22:15
schestowitzdebian with kwin is perfect on this machineDec 03 22:15
schestowitzmaybe something with the gpu driversDec 03 22:15
Ariadne  <pdf:Producer>Linux kernel 0.12.1 for Workgroups</pdf:Producer>Dec 03 22:15
AriadnehahahaDec 03 22:15
DaemonFC[m]Eh, Kubuntu is pretty similar, obviously.Dec 03 22:15
schestowitztrollingDec 03 22:16
DaemonFC[m]Easier to install.Dec 03 22:16
schestowitzmaybe I'll write something about it laterDec 03 22:16
smnthermesThere are other options than KWin, soDec 03 22:16
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes I think certain distributions are trying to go out of their way to be unusable out of the box.Dec 03 22:16
DaemonFC[m]That's how I felt about Squeeze. Dec 03 22:16
schestowitzWith Apple you get one choiceDec 03 22:16
MinceRis that why they have cancerd?Dec 03 22:16
schestowitzapps list sent to AppleDec 03 22:17
Ariadnesmnthermes: yes, but i prefer kwinDec 03 22:17
schestowitzwith IDs over the networkDec 03 22:17
schestowitzit'll get only worse over timeDec 03 22:17
schestowitzthe lock-in alsoDec 03 22:17
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Microsoft and Apple both have their OS report when you launch an application, on the default settings.Dec 03 22:17
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft claims Basic Telemetry doesn't do that. Who knows?Dec 03 22:17
schestowitz'life was easier when I had chains in the barn with food available for free," said the slaveDec 03 22:17
Ariadnethe OS is not reporting anything, but checking for codesigning certificate revocationDec 03 22:17
schestowitz(apple user)Dec 03 22:17
schestowitzAriadne: that ought not be done at that levelDec 03 22:18
Ariadnewhile that could be datamined, i find it unlikelyDec 03 22:18
schestowitzapple babysitting, while working for/with nsaDec 03 22:18
schestowitzAriadne: wait until there's warDec 03 22:18
schestowitzor when govs make fatal "lists"Dec 03 22:18
schestowitzthey like "big data"Dec 03 22:18
DaemonFC[m]mjg59: I just think it's funny that if you stare into someone's window you can go to jail for a year as a peeping tom.Dec 03 22:18
Ariadneif there is war, the NSA will just make a rootkitDec 03 22:19
DaemonFC[m]But your company makes software that's a million times worse. Gets rewarded.Dec 03 22:19
schestowitzAriadne: you go offiline or there are national firewallsDec 03 22:19
Ariadneits more efficient, reallyDec 03 22:19
schestowitzthat's no excuse for using "mac"Dec 03 22:19
schestowitzdefeatism gets us nowhereDec 03 22:19
schestowitz"privacy is dead", "let's just use Windows"Dec 03 22:19
schestowitz"security is impossible"... so "I have nothing to hide"Dec 03 22:20
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I think someone was complaining about TomTom sending GPS data about them to the company when they checked for updates some years ago.Dec 03 22:20
DaemonFC[m]I said, "So it's a Peeping TomTom.".Dec 03 22:20
MinceRin general, the more successful a criminal is, they more safe they are from retributionDec 03 22:20
MinceRand the most successful ones run countries, megacorporations and/or cultsDec 03 22:21
schestowitz"i can't check source code", so it's "just as bad as binary blobs"Dec 03 22:21
schestowitz"open source is now Microsoft"... so "let;'s get on with the show"Dec 03 22:21
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, there was a high school principle who was using a RAT on some Windows laptops issued to students.Dec 03 22:21
schestowitzAriadne: techrights isn't defeatistDec 03 22:21
schestowitzwe actually progress towards goalsDec 03 22:21
DaemonFC[m]He was recording them naked at home.Dec 03 22:21
schestowitzlike eliminating swpatsDec 03 22:21
Ariadneschestowitz: by using a client OS that does not piss me off, i can produce more free software in my areas of expertiseDec 03 22:21
schestowitzwhich is doable, over the long run (decades)Dec 03 22:22
DaemonFC[m]There was very little coverage of why that's even possible.Dec 03 22:22
Ariadnemy expertise does not include "building a desktop environment"Dec 03 22:22
schestowitzno need to build itDec 03 22:22
schestowitzI never didDec 03 22:22
Ariadneby building, i mean writing oneDec 03 22:22
Ariadnethat fits my opinionsDec 03 22:22
schestowitzyou can if you wish toDec 03 22:22
schestowitzor modify an existing oneDec 03 22:23
Ariadneyes, i do not wish to, because it is not a good use of my timeDec 03 22:23
schestowitzI used to make my own winamp and firefox themesDec 03 22:23
DaemonFC[m]There is a certain poetic justice of Ring doorbells burning people's houses down.Dec 03 22:23
schestowitzI was pissed off when newer versions broke theseDec 03 22:23
DaemonFC[m]The only reason they got one to begin with is because of paranoia of losing all the shit in their house.Dec 03 22:23
MinceR03 232225 < Ariadne> my expertise does not include "building a desktop environment"Dec 03 22:24
MinceRneither does apple's :>Dec 03 22:24
MinceRor microsoft'sDec 03 22:24
DaemonFC[m]They have to spend lots of money to record the guy from Amazon dropping off this weeks crap.Dec 03 22:24
DaemonFC[m]And on the off chance someone steals the packages and the doorbell records it, the police don't work the case anyway.Dec 03 22:25
MinceRwell, it sort of worksDec 03 22:25
MinceRif it burns down, you can be sure nobody took itDec 03 22:25
MinceRor can take it anymoreDec 03 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Well, they could take the ashes. Those would be the residue from the matter to energy conversion.Dec 03 22:25
DaemonFC[m]:)Dec 03 22:25
MinceR:>Dec 03 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Bring a ziploc bag.Dec 03 22:26
MinceRmaybe an industrial vacuum cleaner with a really big bagDec 03 22:26
Ariadneanyway, macs piss me off for other reasonsDec 03 22:27
Ariadnecomputers suck, more goatsDec 03 22:27
Ariadnethats the ticketDec 03 22:27
MinceR:>Dec 03 22:27
MinceRjust wait until people write software for goat nervous systemsDec 03 22:27
DaemonFC[m]Apple is pushing right-wing politics on people using the nudge method.Dec 03 22:28
MinceRor maybe goat cellsDec 03 22:28
MinceR(operating on DNA and/or RNA)Dec 03 22:28
DaemonFC[m]There was even the thing where women ask Siri where an abortion clinic is and it routes them to a Crisis Pregnancy Center instead.Dec 03 22:28
MinceRlolDec 03 22:28
DaemonFC[m]"Well, in my 8 years of medical school, GOD COMMANDS YOU TO KEEP THE BABY! YOU MURDERER!"Dec 03 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Recalculating....Dec 03 22:30
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, Lenovo says this new laptop will run Ubuntu just fine so we'll see if it does or if I'm just stepping in shit again.Dec 03 22:31
DaemonFC[m]It's not even like you can blame this laptop's quirks and bugs on Linux, though mjg59 tried.Dec 03 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Windows got worse power management and the "touchpad stops working until you reboot, not always but sometimes, if you let it go to sleep"...Dec 03 22:32
DaemonFC[m]So I ended up configuring KDE to turn the screen off and lock it when the lid is shut.Dec 03 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Not ideal, but hey. uEFI is soooooooo much better than BIOS that it has all the same sorts of problems and more.Dec 03 22:33
Ariadnelike i said, computers suck, lets go raise goatsDec 03 22:34
DaemonFC[m]What we actually need to do is go burn Google down and tell the DoJ thanks for playing but we solved the problem.Dec 03 22:35
MinceRthat won't solve the problemDec 03 22:35
DaemonFC[m]But that's an aside, I guess.Dec 03 22:35
Ariadnethat wont solve the problemDec 03 22:35
Ariadnethere will just be google 2.0Dec 03 22:35
MinceRwe'd also need to burn down microshit, crApple, ibm, intel and probably a bunch of others tooDec 03 22:36
Ariadnegoogle fired a high profile researcher yesterday for complaining about their treatmentDec 03 22:36
DaemonFC[m]I don't use most Google stuff because they have a tendency to get you hooked on something and then just drop it anyway.Dec 03 22:36
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft found another way to pressure people to use Edge.Dec 03 22:36
DaemonFC[m]They removed the ebook reader app and now when you open one up, it launches Edge. Dec 03 22:36
MinceRwell, they probably put a lot of work into itDec 03 22:37
Ariadneisnt edge literallyDec 03 22:37
Ariadnejust chromeDec 03 22:37
MinceRnot exactlyDec 03 22:37
Ariadneexcept s/google/microsoft/Dec 03 22:37
MinceRit's chrome plus microshit malwareDec 03 22:37
DaemonFC[m]They scooped out Google's spyware and put theirs in.Dec 03 22:37
MinceRand probably microshit bugsDec 03 22:37
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: It had an ebook reader?Dec 03 22:37
Ariadneoh okDec 03 22:37
Ariadneso its malware on malwareDec 03 22:37
MinceRafter all, it comes from a corporation that could never get anything to work rightDec 03 22:37
AriadneMS-DOS worked pretty okDec 03 22:37
XRevan86Do I understand it right than even after Edge became a stock Chromium browser, EdgeDeflector is still a useful thing to have?Dec 03 22:38
Ariadneeerything since then has been a disasterDec 03 22:38
DaemonFC[m]Especially DoubleSpace.Dec 03 22:38
DaemonFC[m]That worked great.Dec 03 22:38
MinceRms-dos didn't do much and was mostly just stolen codeDec 03 22:39
MinceRbut yeah, they should try the ms-dos approach againDec 03 22:39
MinceR"you can't fuck it up if you don't attempt it in the first place"Dec 03 22:39
Ariadnemy xbox one series s seems to work okDec 03 22:40
Ariadne(i consider that an appliance, not a computer)Dec 03 22:40
MinceRgood for youDec 03 22:40
MinceRi guess they managed to improve on their 54% hardware failure rate after a few generations, thenDec 03 22:40
schestowitzxbox is a spying boxDec 03 22:40
schestowitzsince almost a decade backDec 03 22:40
schestowitzthey should be verboten in living roomsDec 03 22:40
DaemonFC[m]The Playstation 5 is having its own red ring of death problem already.Dec 03 22:41
schestowitzwithout consent from all who are in the houseDec 03 22:41
schestowitzinc. guestsDec 03 22:41
Ariadnei don't have the microphone connectedDec 03 22:41
DaemonFC[m]If you buy a first generation console you get all of the problems.Dec 03 22:41
MinceRdon't "smart" tv-s spy on people anyway? :>Dec 03 22:41
schestowitzthey'll come built in soon P;-)Dec 03 22:41
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "i guess they managed to improve "> 54% seems low.Dec 03 22:41
schestowitzMinceR: with cameras, tooDec 03 22:41
Ariadnei also don't have the kinect thingDec 03 22:41
schestowitzthe TV watches YOUDec 03 22:41
DaemonFC[m]Considering that Microsoft replaced 8 of them for me.Dec 03 22:41
MinceRlolDec 03 22:41
AriadneDaemonFC[m]: thats why i got the series s instead of the ps56Dec 03 22:41
Ariadneps5*Dec 03 22:41
DaemonFC[m]I sold the 9th one with all my games before it broke down too.Dec 03 22:42
Ariadnewell also the ps5 just looks stupidDec 03 22:42
Ariadnesoftware freedom is useful to me on devices i intend to actually use for actual work.  video game console, i couldn't care lessDec 03 22:43
schestowitznot yetDec 03 22:44
schestowitzthose are still computersDec 03 22:44
schestowitzjust ones you control even LESSDec 03 22:44
schestowitzin that regard, most have become more dangerousDec 03 22:44
schestowitzthey're also harder to studyDec 03 22:44
XRevan86Ariadne: So, what about a smartphone? :)Dec 03 22:45
schestowitzbecause of DRM and restrictions at many levelsDec 03 22:45
schestowitzbut that's a debate for another time... :-)Dec 03 22:45
XRevan86Does that count as a device for any kind of "actual work"?Dec 03 22:45
Ariadneschestowitz: yes, they are computers, which i consider to be equivalent to a refrigeratorDec 03 22:45
psydroidlack of DRM is a feature :)Dec 03 22:45
Ariadneif you tinker with your refrigerator you wind up huffing freon and dyingDec 03 22:46
Ariadnethusly i have no interest to tinker with itDec 03 22:46
Ariadnethe win-lose math doesn't add upDec 03 22:46
search_socialAriadne: when they push the software update that disables your refrigerator you will think differentlyDec 03 22:46
MinceRi thought they replaced freon alreadyDec 03 22:46
*XRevan86 suspects that tinkering with the "smart" bit of a refrigerator doesn't affect freon.Dec 03 22:46
Ariadnesearch_social: my refrigerator is not connected to any network and has no IoT functionalityDec 03 22:46
MinceRif your refrigerator is "smart" enough, it doesn't even need an update to stop working, just a dead server or a dead Internet connection :>Dec 03 22:47
search_socialwell that's what i'm sayingDec 03 22:47
search_socialyou want to keep it that wayDec 03 22:47
search_socialbut the refrigerator companies do notDec 03 22:47
Ariadneand if microsoft pushes a software update to my xbox bricking it, i sue microsoftDec 03 22:47
search_socialthey want the refrigerators connected to the internet 24/7Dec 03 22:47
psydroid<MinceR "and probably microshit bugs"> nanoshits?Dec 03 22:47
schestowitz[22:45] <Ariadne> schestowitz: yes, they are computers, which i consider to be equivalent to a refrigeratorDec 03 22:47
search_socialand soon those are the only kinds of refrigerators that will be for saleDec 03 22:47
MinceRpsydroid: :)Dec 03 22:47
schestowitzDoes your refrigerator have software you can install and microphone?Dec 03 22:47
XRevan86Ariadne: Um, they could change the servers, and you'll be left with no Games for Windows.Dec 03 22:47
schestowitzalso, is your refrigerator controlled by Microsoft?Dec 03 22:47
search_socialnot yetDec 03 22:48
schestowitzor by another country that spies on everything?Dec 03 22:48
search_socialbut it's getting thereDec 03 22:48
Ariadnemine does not, but some do existDec 03 22:48
MinceRis your refrigerator running?Dec 03 22:48
Ariadnemine is a bog standard $399 samsung oneDec 03 22:48
schestowitz[22:47] <Ariadne> and if microsoft pushes a software update to my xbox bricking it, i sue microsoftDec 03 22:48
Ariadneit can dispense iceDec 03 22:48
schestowitzyou sue laywers?Dec 03 22:48
XRevan86It's not like they're contractually obligated to keep the "server-side" always running.Dec 03 22:48
schestowitzdisguised as compnay?Dec 03 22:48
MinceRsure you canDec 03 22:48
schestowitzit was literally created and founded by lawyersDec 03 22:48
MinceRjust don't expect to winDec 03 22:48
Ariadneschestowitz: at least in the US, that would be an open and shut caseDec 03 22:48
MinceRespecially when they own a big chunk of the country you're inDec 03 22:49
schestowitzif your time is worthlessDec 03 22:49
search_socialAriadne: have you ever sued a large company beforeDec 03 22:49
Ariadnewhen sony removed OtherOS from the PS3, they were forced to pay outDec 03 22:49
schestowitzbest case scenario you get some couponDec 03 22:49
schestowitzafter days wastedDec 03 22:49
schestowitz[22:49] <Ariadne> when sony removed OtherOS from the PS3, they were forced to pay outDec 03 22:49
schestowitzLOLDec 03 22:49
schestowitzafter a decadeDec 03 22:49
schestowitzlike dozens of bucks?Dec 03 22:49
schestowitzfor those who wasted time applying?Dec 03 22:49
schestowitzcome onDec 03 22:49
Ariadneschestowitz: well, i've yet to receive a software update bricking any gaming console i've ever ownedDec 03 22:49
schestowitznot the pointDec 03 22:50
schestowitzI was not talking about brickingDec 03 22:50
Ariadneit kind of is the pointDec 03 22:50
schestowitzlook what msft did to drmed booksDec 03 22:50
schestowitzall of them deadDec 03 22:50
schestowitzbecause they turned off a serverDec 03 22:50
schestowitzfor financial reasonsDec 03 22:50
Ariadnethat is why i buy disc copies of my gamesDec 03 22:50
schestowitzMSFT laid off many people months goDec 03 22:50
Ariadneand do not use those digital storesDec 03 22:50
schestowitzeven azure staffDec 03 22:50
schestowitzazure is a failureDec 03 22:50
schestowitzxbox lost billions... maybe still does (I no longer follow)Dec 03 22:50
Ariadne(well also, because satellite internet is heavily quotaed and downloading a single game would max that quota out)Dec 03 22:50
schestowitzthey're often just subsidised by the US taxpayersDec 03 22:51
schestowitzthey don't care about youDec 03 22:51
schestowitzor 'your' xboxDec 03 22:51
Ariadnei'm not asking them tDec 03 22:51
AriadneoDec 03 22:51
Ariadne:)Dec 03 22:51
schestowitzby the way, do you have the privs to ask viera to follow taxmachines@mastodon?Dec 03 22:51
Ariadnesome of those games are like 200gb downloads nowDec 03 22:51
AriadnehahaDec 03 22:51
Ariadnei don'tDec 03 22:52
schestowitzit says kaniina and I are authorisedDec 03 22:52
Ariadnebecausei can't auth to vieraDec 03 22:52
Ariadnebecause is downDec 03 22:52
schestowitzbut I looked at the code and could not figure out why it's not reactingDec 03 22:52
Ariadnebecause you cant auth to the botDec 03 22:52
schestowitzah, ok, let's hope href is just gonna come backDec 03 22:52
MinceRlol @ taxmachinesDec 03 22:52
XRevan86 03 22:52
schestowitzMinceR: they compute your taxesDec 03 22:52
MinceRthey force you to pay taxesDec 03 22:53
schestowitzunlike IBMDec 03 22:53
AriadneanywayDec 03 22:53
schestowitzAriadne: meanwhile I made a static, js-free page to archive my postsDec 03 22:53
Ariadneif there were a libre console with the actual games i wanted to play on it, which took disc media, i would buy that insteadDec 03 22:53
schestowitzexcept TM'sDec 03 22:53
schestowitzSteam Machines were close, but DRM...Dec 03 22:53
schestowitzand Debian based to run their blobDec 03 22:54
MinceRand cancerdDec 03 22:54
schestowitzwith DRMDec 03 22:54
schestowitzMinceR: cancerDebianDec 03 22:54
schestowitzBTWDec 03 22:54
Ariadnei looked into steam machinesDec 03 22:54
XRevan86Steam Machines is practically a PC.Dec 03 22:54
schestowitzthey have just lost bdaleDec 03 22:54
Ariadnebut a lot of titles were not ported to linux yetDec 03 22:54
schestowitz 03 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Bdale Garbee: Shifting Emphasis • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ Dec 03 22:54
MinceRwhat is the significance of losing bdale?Dec 03 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | Bdale Garbee: Shifting Emphasis | Tux MachinesDec 03 22:54
schestowitzvery old devDec 03 22:54
schestowitzlike larsDec 03 22:54
schestowitzsince the mid 90sDec 03 22:54
schestowitzboth leftDec 03 22:55
schestowitzmaybe mccintyre is nextDec 03 22:55
MinceRwhose side are they on?Dec 03 22:55
XRevan86Ariadne could just assemble another PC, maybe install Шindows on it and it'd still be more flexible of a choice than xbox.Dec 03 22:55
AriadneXRevan86: that requires doing workDec 03 22:55
MinceRi do have a dual-booting gaming laptop i only use for gaming :>Dec 03 22:55
schestowitzXRevan86: you forked WindowsDec 03 22:55
XRevan86Ariadne: Not a lot.Dec 03 22:55
Ariadneanyway i am considering building a windows machine for that purposeDec 03 22:56
Ariadnesome sort of ryzen buildDec 03 22:56
Ariadnebut at 249$ the xbox is ok for right nowDec 03 22:56
XRevan86schestowitz: pitch-forked?Dec 03 22:56
Ariadnei rather wait until i move to EU to build an htpcDec 03 22:57
Ariadnemaybe i will buy a macDec 03 22:57
Ariadneand make 100 page reportsDec 03 22:57
Ariadneabout my Apache Foundation 2.0Dec 03 22:57
Ariadneand set the creator field to "Linux for Workgroups 0.1.2"Dec 03 22:58
Ariadneor whatever it wasDec 03 22:58
XRevan86Ariadne: It'd be perfect to show up on a Linux-con or something :)Dec 03 22:58
XRevan86and still blend-in with the crowdDec 03 22:58
Ariadnei have more sense than to give a talk about FOSS using a mac to present withDec 03 22:58
Ariadne:PDec 03 22:58
XRevan86this reminds me: 03 23:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux 3.11 Officially Named "Linux For Workgroups" - SlashdotDec 03 23:00
smnthermes> ‎[19:55:33] ‎schestowitz‎: XRevan86: you forked WindowsDec 03 23:02
smnthermesIs it true, or is it like John Best owning the United States?Dec 03 23:02
smnthermes 03 23:03
*XRevan86 has no idea what that meant.Dec 03 23:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | I OWN THE UNITED STATES - InvidiousDec 03 23:03
smnthermes 03 23:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | I OWN THE UNITED STATES - InvidiousDec 03 23:03
XRevan86smnthermes: Not a single mention of Soros, nizachot.Dec 03 23:05
schestowitzthat would have google flagging it "antisemitic"Dec 03 23:08
XRevan86so conspirary theorists are careful now? :)Dec 03 23:08
schestowitzthose who stay visibleDec 03 23:09
schestowitz 03 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | HotDive converts your smartphone into a dive computer and underwater camera (crowdfunding)Dec 03 23:22
schestowitzlolDec 03 23:22
schestowitzjust what you wantedDec 03 23:22
search_socialsoros is a matter of public recordDec 03 23:22
schestowitzunderwater 'phone'Dec 03 23:22
search_socialapparently truth is a conspiracy theory nowDec 03 23:22
schestowitzdepends how it's approachesDec 03 23:23
schestowitzsame for gatesDec 03 23:23
schestowitzsome say about him untrue thingsDec 03 23:23
schestowitzand that distracts from the ugly truthsDec 03 23:23
schestowitzsame for soosDec 03 23:23
schestowitzsorosDec 03 23:23
schestowitzthey know how to exploit the nutsDec 03 23:23
schestowitzthe 5g industry does that too, it seems...Dec 03 23:24
schestowitzassociating 5g criticism/critics with nutty covidiotsDec 03 23:24
schestowitzlike 5g has anything to do with a virusDec 03 23:24
superkuhUh. What kind of 5G criticism do you mean? Like that it only provides 20% more thoroughput hertz per hertz so that all major increases in speed have to come from taking other people's spectrum for telco use?Dec 03 23:26
schestowitzlast month gates tried to equate criticism of him with holocaust denialDec 03 23:27
schestowitzas he knows laws exist in some countries to ban such thingsDec 03 23:27
schestowitzgates is very nutty 03 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | TechrightsDec 03 23:27
schestowitzhe also blames "the government" for Android winning mobile and not WindowsDec 03 23:27
schestowitzthose are all dangerous peopleDec 03 23:27
schestowitzand they gain so much capital that bribing the whole system is slush funds to them (so they also bribe all the media)Dec 03 23:28
search_socialgates is just jealous that google is the new nsa darling instead of microsoftDec 03 23:28
schestowitzbezos even buys fake "news segments" (scripted) in local mediaDec 03 23:28
schestowitzgates has other plans for 'herding' peopleDec 03 23:28
schestowitzhis dad was a big 'herder'Dec 03 23:29
schestowitzif not by digital means, then by medical meansDec 03 23:29
schestowitzor combination of the twoDec 03 23:29
schestowitzhis dad is dead nowDec 03 23:29
schestowitzbut he continues "his work"Dec 03 23:29
superkuhHere's a comic for you schestowitz 03 23:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | a suitable seed | patrick s. farleyDec 03 23:30
schestowitzI just see a brain cartoonDec 03 23:35
schestowitzlooks like wrong link or somethingDec 03 23:36
schestowitzmaybe the CDNDec 03 23:36
DaemonFC[m]That's all the rage.Dec 03 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Don't like someone? They're an anti-semitic rape culture toxic male.Dec 03 23:41
*kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/ has joined #techrightsDec 03 23:46
DaemonFC[m]Toxic male being the SJW counter to cuckold. Dec 03 23:46
MinceRclicking on the brain directs you to the first page of the comicDec 03 23:50

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