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MinceRbut if anything, they're just making things worseJan 04 00:00
vZS1Freedom of speech is only allowed when they agree with what you sayJan 04 00:00
XRevan86 kinda cuteJan 04 00:01
XRevan86Not what I was looking for thoughJan 04 00:01
vZS1The EU has a war on free speechJan 04 00:02
XRevan86Скрепы.jpg what unites the nationJan 04 00:02
XRevan86bonds togetherJan 04 00:04
vZS1The EU also has a war on privacyJan 04 00:07
vZS1Just as bad as the NSAJan 04 00:08
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schestowitz__ Canonical: let's hook up with Microsoft for surveillance to scam your system 04 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Check for Outdated Snaps ·Jan 04 00:10
vZS1Hoping for a good outcome for Wikileaks and Assange, today. Fingers crossedJan 04 00:11
schestowitz__eyahJan 04 00:12
schestowitz__yeahJan 04 00:12
schestowitz__you can find clues in posts from friends of hisJan 04 00:12
schestowitz__the lawyers have been negotiating the outcome, I've heard from one of themJan 04 00:12
vZS1I don't really know much about the details. I'm relying on TR for coverage.Jan 04 00:13
schestowitz__they should send him away... to AustraliaJan 04 00:16
vZS1He needs the sunJan 04 00:16
schestowitz__ 04 00:16
vZS1Would be good for himJan 04 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Introducing Tumpa, to make OpenPGP simple with smartcardsJan 04 00:16
schestowitz__he used to hand out here, IIRCJan 04 00:16
schestowitz__*hangJan 04 00:16
schestowitz__yubikeyJan 04 00:17
vZS1> yubikeyJan 04 00:17
vZS1BS, in other words.Jan 04 00:17
schestowitz__glorified plasticJan 04 00:18
schestowitz__ 04 00:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | TechrightsJan 04 00:20
schestowitz__ 04 00:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Really smart cities help their stores to go Dark | Stop at Zona-MJan 04 00:20
schestowitz__"The OpenPGP operations are possible due to the amazing Sequoia project." 04 00:22
vZS1Just another Yubico plugJan 04 00:25
vZS1Move onJan 04 00:25
vZS1At least Sequoia got a mentionJan 04 00:25
schestowitz__as if privacy is something you buy at a storeJan 04 00:26
schestowitz__with cardboard and foam and a paper manualJan 04 00:26
schestowitz__and a high price pointJan 04 00:26
schestowitz__someone bought me Entropy Key for xmas a decade backJan 04 00:26
vZS1It must be goodJan 04 00:28
vZS1It has "smart" in its name!Jan 04 00:28
MinceR:>Jan 04 00:28
schestowitz__smartCADJan 04 00:32
schestowitz__not only designs, builds your home tooJan 04 00:33
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schestowitz__"Or, what you can learn about privacy from Soviet weapon’s philosophy." 04 00:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sometimes the best data are those that do not exist | Stop at Zona-MJan 04 00:42
schestowitz__ 04 00:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU Chinese Translators Team - News: 2020 summary [Savannah]Jan 04 00:42
schestowitz__gnu in chinaJan 04 00:42
schestowitz__going strongJan 04 00:42
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schestowitz__hi, SoeJan 04 01:19
SoehelloJan 04 01:23
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schestowitz__vZS1: just in:Jan 04 01:38
schestowitz__ 04 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Golang Worm Targets Windows And Linux Systems To Mine MoneroJan 04 01:38
schestowitz__more monero FUDJan 04 01:38
schestowitz__no connection to moneroJan 04 01:38
schestowitz__or even linuxJan 04 01:39
schestowitz__yet this crap circulatesJan 04 01:39
vZS1I've seen that alreadyJan 04 01:40
vZS1Note that this is also Golang FUDJan 04 01:41
schestowitz__I mention in the new video about itJan 04 01:41
schestowitz__ 04 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Here Comes Again the False Parity (Comparing GNU/Linux Security to That of Platforms With NSA Back Doors) | TechrightsJan 04 01:42
vZS1Stinks of MS propagandaJan 04 01:42
schestowitz__i'm amazed at how fast the site becameJan 04 01:42
schestowitz__Ariadne: you're a STARJan 04 01:42
psydroid 04 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ARM released a new processor for Windows 10 and competes with Intel – Latest News, Breaking News, Top News HeadlinesJan 04 01:42
psydroid 04 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cortex-A78C – ArmJan 04 01:43
psydroidWindows isn't even mentioned thereJan 04 01:43
psydroidso they are inventing things that do not existJan 04 01:43
schestowitz__it's a fake siteJan 04 01:46
schestowitz__explica is spam siteJan 04 01:46
schestowitz__plagiarismJan 04 01:46
schestowitz__never link to itJan 04 01:46
schestowitz__rogue Google News somehow got tricked into showing itJan 04 01:47
psydroidI'm really starting to wonder about the size of these operations to fill the web with untruths and misinformation to keep people away from the little actual information that is still out thereJan 04 01:50
schestowitz__this is what they are FORJan 04 01:50
schestowitz__the www is a dying posJan 04 01:50
schestowitz__maybe it was always this badJan 04 01:50
schestowitz__unsavoury sitesJan 04 01:51
schestowitz__but now more concentrated and with extra censorshipJan 04 01:51
vZS1The web is like a sewer. Because everyone uses it you are forced to basically publish on it (basically flushing good stuff down the toilet). So we end up needing to swim through sewage to find the good stuffJan 04 01:55
psydroidI wish people would use their RPis for creating a global decentralised vault of information hosted on IPFS as a big middle finger to those malicious companies that control the direction of the webJan 04 01:55
psydroidin the end that is also the only thing we can rely on with staying power, because you can't control what isn't yoursJan 04 01:56
vZS1psydroid: it's already happening. The Catalan independence referendum was carried out only because of IPFS. Spanish government was censoring all the referendum information.Jan 04 01:56
vZS1They couldn't take down all the IPFS nodes because you can't censor the internet (:Jan 04 01:57
schestowitz__ 04 02:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackers are abusing a disputed vulnerability to launch attacks on Linux machines | TechRadarJan 04 02:00
schestowitz__"linux"Jan 04 02:00
schestowitz__ 04 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ordered USB Type-C to 5.5x2.1mm adapterJan 04 02:02
schestowitz__weird thing to post aboutJan 04 02:02
psydroidVisca Catalunya i IPFS :)Jan 04 02:02
schestowitz__"...expected delivery by end of month.  "Jan 04 02:02
schestowitz__[01:55] <vZS1> The web is like a sewer. Because everyone uses it you are forced to basically publish on it (basically flushing good stuff down the toilet). So we end up needing to swim through sewage to find the good stuffJan 04 02:04
schestowitz__follow the capitalJan 04 02:04
schestowitz__and then you know why there has been so much spam about teams (Skype/Microsoft) for 'Linux'Jan 04 02:04
schestowitz__and 'Edge'Jan 04 02:04
schestowitz__it's worth than you put itJan 04 02:04
schestowitz__the problem is not "everyone uses it"Jan 04 02:05
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schestowitz__The problem is deep-pocketed crooks flooding itJan 04 02:05
schestowitz__and capital buys them visibilityJan 04 02:05
schestowitz__Not a case of "just happens"Jan 04 02:05
schestowitz__or "reflection of society at large"Jan 04 02:06
schestowitz__rather abuse by oligarchy and corporationsJan 04 02:06
schestowitz__they take control of and distort the WWW at many levelsJan 04 02:06
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. Almost all independent news, gone.Jan 04 02:06
psydroidwhat are they going to do about the move towards decentralisation of everything that is done on the internet?Jan 04 02:07
DaemonFC[m]People used to make their own website with simple HTML and links, even if it was on a free hosting platform.Jan 04 02:07
MinceRmaybe they'll decide that it's "insecure", "dangerous" and/or "fake news" if people get to run their own sitesJan 04 02:07
DaemonFC[m]Now it's "Facebook", deciding if you're even allowed to post something with copyright "AI" and automods that kill off any left-wing groups and say someone anonymously reported them for something.Jan 04 02:07
MinceRmaybe major browsers will give you big red warning screens if you try to use a site that isn't on their whitelistJan 04 02:08
MinceRoh wait, they call it "allowlist"Jan 04 02:08
MinceRbecause colors are racism nowJan 04 02:08
DaemonFC[m]That's where things already are.Jan 04 02:08
CrystalMathnot really, i go to weird websites all the timeJan 04 02:08
CrystalMathobscure stuffJan 04 02:08
DaemonFC[m]Let's Encrypt was a ruse so that browsers go to red alert if you try to go read something that didn't apply for a certificate.Jan 04 02:09
CrystalMathi actively research themJan 04 02:09
CrystalMatheh? maybe chromeJan 04 02:09
CrystalMathfirefox is fine with httpJan 04 02:09
vZS1Let's Encrypt is a ploy to reveal the location of a service.Jan 04 02:09
schestowitz__ahaJan 04 02:09
schestowitz__good pointJan 04 02:10
schestowitz__never thought of it from that povJan 04 02:10
schestowitz__the "trusted" webJan 04 02:10
schestowitz__who by?Jan 04 02:10
schestowitz__a microsoft shit-hub-hosted projectJan 04 02:10
schestowitz__letsencrypt even outsourced its WEB SITE to MicrosoftJan 04 02:10
schestowitz__so much for trustJan 04 02:10
schestowitz__PRISM/proprietaryJan 04 02:10
MinceRhow does LE find out the location of a service?Jan 04 02:10
schestowitz__and don't even mention the solarwind messJan 04 02:10
vZS1You need to do a challenge to validate your TLS certs.Jan 04 02:11
vZS1Your IP is obviously revealed in that challengeJan 04 02:11
MinceRcan't you just do that challenge from the web server?Jan 04 02:12
vZS1That's what I'm trying to say. They know where the data is coming fromJan 04 02:12
MinceRthey could just query the domain name of the site to get the same informationJan 04 02:12
vZS1It just makes surveillance a bit easier for them. You are the one doing all the hard workJan 04 02:14
MinceRnotifying them that there's a new site being set up?Jan 04 02:14
vZS1YeahJan 04 02:15
MinceRi seeJan 04 02:15
vZS1So you're essentially filling out a survey for them every time you validate a TLS certJan 04 02:16
schestowitz__phoronix is struggling and this is no way out of the struggle :/ 04 02:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's Now Even Easier Setting Up Windows Subsystem For Linux On Windows 10 - PhoronixJan 04 02:18
schestowitz__just showed up in google news searchJan 04 02:18
schestowitz__[rant]Jan 04 02:21
schestowitz__(sorry)Jan 04 02:21
schestowitz__every week now, for the past few years, I look for EPO newsJan 04 02:21
schestowitz__EPO is a widely used acronymJan 04 02:21
schestowitz__means many thingsJan 04 02:21
schestowitz__I won't go into all the possibilitiesJan 04 02:21
schestowitz__I need to filter to find the patent setsJan 04 02:22
schestowitz__butJan 04 02:22
schestowitz__many of the results that come up are SEO-spammed corporate mediaJan 04 02:22
schestowitz__that violates EU lawJan 04 02:22
schestowitz__namely GDPRJan 04 02:22
schestowitz__so google feeds to me results with sites I cannot accessJan 04 02:22
schestowitz__they block me to avoid breaking the lawJan 04 02:22
schestowitz__that aside,Jan 04 02:22
schestowitz__what's then left of "EPO" newsJan 04 02:22
schestowitz__is just lawyers' marketingJan 04 02:23
schestowitz__in 2019 I dropped search for "software patents" news after about 12-15 yearsJan 04 02:23
schestowitz__somewhere in betweenJan 04 02:23
schestowitz__the reason was,Jan 04 02:23
schestowitz__google news was mostly spamJan 04 02:23
schestowitz__by mostly I mean, it was approaching 80%Jan 04 02:23
schestowitz__so you swim through spamJan 04 02:23
MinceRyou can get around those blocks using Tor and proxiesJan 04 02:23
MinceRoh, and VPNJan 04 02:24
schestowitz__to maybe find signal once in a few minutesJan 04 02:24
schestowitz__this is untenableJan 04 02:24
schestowitz__maybe it's time to just delete all of google news for patent-related stuff?Jan 04 02:24
schestowitz__MinceR: but I would not wish to think link to those 'articles'Jan 04 02:24
vZS1That's why there's E.E.E. happening to TorJan 04 02:24
schestowitz__neither in tr or social control mediaJan 04 02:24
schestowitz__1) epo staff is usually eu-basedJan 04 02:24
MinceRwell, the point of things like google news is to help you find/filter stuffJan 04 02:24
MinceRif it isn't helping you, there's no point in using itJan 04 02:25
schestowitz__so I'd give them reference to illegal (by EU law) sitesJan 04 02:25
MinceRicJan 04 02:25
schestowitz__and in social control media I'd reward malicious sitesJan 04 02:25
schestowitz__I think I'll just delete this feedJan 04 02:25
schestowitz__"goodbye"Jan 04 02:25
schestowitz__google news is the only google thing I still useJan 04 02:25
schestowitz__for tuxmachines mostlyJan 04 02:25
schestowitz__deletedJan 04 02:25
schestowitz__done, this will give me more time for other thingsJan 04 02:26
schestowitz__I just need to find more rss feeds in sites that cover those topicsJan 04 02:26
schestowitz__seeing there's no real journalism left about EPO anywayJan 04 02:26
schestowitz__just puff pieces and law firms' marketing pitchJan 04 02:26
schestowitz__disguised as 'analysis'Jan 04 02:26
schestowitz__but many sites lack working rss feedsJan 04 02:27
schestowitz__how very sadJan 04 02:27
schestowitz__google news killed many good servicesJan 04 02:27
schestowitz__like technoratiJan 04 02:27
schestowitz__whose founder ended up working for mozilla to pay his billsJan 04 02:27
schestowitz__and now there's no competition left for this spammy, spying shiteJan 04 02:27
schestowitz__which they barely maintainJan 04 02:28
schestowitz__psydroid cited one plagiarism site they boost a lotJan 04 02:28
schestowitz__a rogue operationJan 04 02:28
schestowitz__so google news can be amplifier of corporate spam, wrapped up as 'news'Jan 04 02:28
schestowitz__akin to twitter and fbJan 04 02:28
schestowitz__deranking blogsJan 04 02:28
schestowitz__boosting oligarchs' liesJan 04 02:28
schestowitz__[end rant]Jan 04 02:28
schestowitz__bblJan 04 02:28
*schestowitz__ works on ipfs scripts for a bitJan 04 02:29
vZS1There's a reason why the big Ad companies hate RSSJan 04 02:29
vZS1It's antithetical to their business modelJan 04 02:29
schestowitz__/me will improve clarity and partitioning in 04 02:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full IPFS IndexJan 04 02:30
vZS1When people are in control of what they see, they can't have things shoved into their feeds without their consentJan 04 02:31
*schestowitz__ nodsJan 04 02:31
schestowitz__need adviceJan 04 02:36
schestowitz__vZS1: how would you detect blocks with common patterns reliably or ask ipfs to do so itself?Jan 04 02:36
schestowitz__example: dear ipfs, please present me a link of all blocks with the following pattern, e.g. with grepJan 04 02:37
schestowitz__without having to run ipfs commands many times, each time with a different search patternJan 04 02:37
schestowitz__iow, ipfs pin ls (some regular expression passed to ipfs, not | grep something)Jan 04 02:37
vZS1I don't know what you mean by "detect blocks with common patterns"Jan 04 02:37
schestowitz__I want to tell ipfsJan 04 02:37
schestowitz__give me all objects match $THIS patternJan 04 02:38
schestowitz__but not othersJan 04 02:38
schestowitz__to avoid having to run the same command many times although it can be cached in file or variable in bashJan 04 02:38
vZS1Do you mean blocks or CIDs?Jan 04 02:39
schestowitz__for text-only index we don't want any headlines in between, but for html a split would make legibility betterJan 04 02:39
schestowitz__CIDsJan 04 02:39
vZS1I don't see what you'd achieve by that because they're made up from hashes.Jan 04 02:40
XRevan86vZS1: DNS is a ploy to reveal the location of a service.Jan 04 02:40
schestowitz__ipfs add ~/tr_text_version/* | sed -e 's/added /\<tr\>\<td class="ipfs-cid"\>\<code\>/' | sed -e 's/ irc-/<\/code\><\/td\> \<td class="description-ipfs"\>irc-/' | sed -e 's/ techrights-/<\/code\><\/td\> \<td class="description-ipfs"\>techrights-/' | sed -e 's/.txt/ <b\>TEXT<\/b\> (daily IRC log\/bulletin)<\/tr>/' |  sed -e 's/.html/\ <b\>HTML<\/b\> (full IRC log)<\/tr>/'  >>  index.htmlJan 04 02:40
XRevan86You need to do a nameserver lookup to access a host. Host's IP is obviously revealed in that lookup.Jan 04 02:40
schestowitz__I suppose I could colour the rowsJan 04 02:42
schestowitz__but that would look rather cheesyJan 04 02:42
schestowitz__cron job has just successfully generated 04 02:42
vZS1You don't need to constantly fill out forms that reveal other operational details with DNS, unlike LE. I know how the internet worksJan 04 02:43
XRevan86vZS1: What forms do you fill in with LE?Jan 04 02:44
vZS1A LE challenge is a form in disguiseJan 04 02:44
XRevan86vZS1: Is reverse DNS a form in disguise?Jan 04 02:45
vZS1Yes it isJan 04 02:45
vZS1But it's not as malicious in intent as an LE challengeJan 04 02:46
XRevan86vZS1: It has literally the same intent.Jan 04 02:46
vZS1DNS is erosion of internet freedomJan 04 02:46
vZS1It's monopolisedJan 04 02:46
vZS1And abusedJan 04 02:46
vZS1Just like emailJan 04 02:47
vZS1Try running your own DNS server and see how far you getJan 04 02:47
vZS1Or email serverJan 04 02:47
XRevan86So I guess you agree with my DNS analogy.Jan 04 02:47
MinceRthere are some attempts to run independent DNSJan 04 02:47
XRevan86MinceR: It's a ploy.Jan 04 02:47
schestowitz__LE is a ployJan 04 02:48
MinceRlike OpenNICJan 04 02:48
schestowitz__but maybe in another realmJan 04 02:48
XRevan86there are some attempts to run independent ACMEJan 04 02:48
schestowitz__the privacy aspect is the lesser oneJan 04 02:48
schestowitz__you can't really know what goes on behind the scenes at LEJan 04 02:48
vZS1They're both ploys to consolidate control into a few "trusted" bodiesJan 04 02:48
schestowitz__and you give them lots of CONTROLJan 04 02:48
schestowitz__"Free certs"Jan 04 02:48
schestowitz__just give us the powerJan 04 02:49
schestowitz__over your services, e.g. sitessJan 04 02:49
vZS1The point is they keep the monopoly aliveJan 04 02:49
XRevan86schestowitz__: It's not just lesser, it's nonexistent, vZS1's argument is ludicrous.Jan 04 02:49
schestowitz__bad exchangeJan 04 02:49
schestowitz__"free certs"Jan 04 02:49
schestowitz__like the ones Shuttleworth gaveJan 04 02:49
XRevan86A public service exposes its IP addresses by default.Jan 04 02:49
schestowitz__in exchange for this 'free' nonsenseJan 04 02:49
schestowitz__some bits and bytes you lose some control over whether people can and cannot access/use your servicesJan 04 02:49
schestowitz__vZS1: I am looking at ipfs -h manualJan 04 02:50
vZS1You don't send a form to a third party when you run a non-LE siteJan 04 02:50
XRevan86So vZS1 makes an argument that Let's Encrypt harvests data that is already completely public.Jan 04 02:50
schestowitz__I cannot find a way to list with extra details currently pinned objectsJan 04 02:50
schestowitz__pin ls gives a crude listJan 04 02:50
schestowitz__w/o file system references/FS locationJan 04 02:50
schestowitz__I want to better sort the outputJan 04 02:50
schestowitz__then cluster itJan 04 02:51
vZS1> So vZS1 makes an argument that Let's Encrypt harvests data that is already completely public.Jan 04 02:51
schestowitz__for 04 02:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full IPFS IndexJan 04 02:51
vZS1You fail to mention the other part. That you help LE spy on your other operational details like which HTTP suite you use Jan 04 02:52
vZS1Challenges don't get satisfied out of thin airJan 04 02:52
vZS1You need clients and servers in betweenJan 04 02:52
vZS1All of the data is harvested by LEJan 04 02:52
XRevan86vZS1: It puts a file in a well-known location.Jan 04 02:52
XRevan86It's the simplest form of a challenge, there are others available too.Jan 04 02:53
schestowitz__output of 'ipfs add' gives a list that, afaict, is sorted by filename alphabeticallyJan 04 02:54
schestowitz__any way to list chronologically?Jan 04 02:54
schestowitz__e.g. date added?Jan 04 02:54
vZS1schestowitz__: no metadata.Jan 04 02:55
vZS1Only hashJan 04 02:55
schestowitz__the way it is currently done might be ok for bots and software, like the txt version fed into something else, the html one is rather messyJan 04 02:55
schestowitz__and we don't use consistent date formats for backward-compat reasonsJan 04 02:55
schestowitz__vZS1: and filenameJan 04 02:55
schestowitz__I suppose I could parse that, find find or similar, then check on filesystem or inodes the agesJan 04 02:56
schestowitz__but that would be costly as the list growsJan 04 02:56
schestowitz__'ipfs pin ls' gives no info about object sourceJan 04 02:57
vZS1You can use a self-signed TLS cert for arbitrary IP addresses without notifying a third party.Jan 04 02:57
schestowitz__just hashes and indirect/recursiveJan 04 02:57
vZS1LE is keeping the CA monopoly aliveJan 04 02:57
schestowitz__china tried (maybe) with starttlsJan 04 02:57
schestowitz__startcom was making something like centosJan 04 02:57
XRevan86vZS1: You're shifting the argument, because the data harvesting one fell apart.Jan 04 02:58
vZS1schestowitz__: you can only analyse which blocks make up a CID. Nothing elseJan 04 02:58
schestowitz__but china bad, US "GOOD"Jan 04 02:58
schestowitz__so LE is GOODJan 04 02:58
schestowitz__China badJan 04 02:58
vZS1> You're shifting the argument, because the data harvesting one fell apartJan 04 02:58
vZS1So you're saying filling in a form every time you need TLS is not data harvestingJan 04 02:59
vZS1Are you delusional?Jan 04 02:59
schestowitz__>  ipfs pin update <from-path> <to-path> - Update a recursive pinJan 04 02:59
schestowitz__so it does know about and is associated with pathsJan 04 02:59
XRevan86vZS1: You're saying they try to get information such as an HTTP server type, I say they don't give a crap.Jan 04 02:59
schestowitz__I just want to list those pathsJan 04 02:59
vZS1> You're saying they try to get information such as an HTTP server type, I say they don't give a crap.Jan 04 03:00
XRevan86Typically it's literally a regular HTTP request like any other.Jan 04 03:00
vZS1This is erosion of privacy.Jan 04 03:00
schestowitz__Let's DataMine :-)Jan 04 03:00
vZS1X.509's entire "trust model" is erosion of privacyJan 04 03:01
vZS1That's why OpenPGP is the only true private encryption modelJan 04 03:01
vZS1No "authorities"Jan 04 03:01
vZS1You are in control of who you trustJan 04 03:01
XRevan86vZS1: The only way to protect oneself from such erosion of privacy is to hide behind NAT.Jan 04 03:01
XRevan86Nothing less will cut it. They will find you and GeoIP your IP address.Jan 04 03:02
XRevan86and collect your HTTP request headers to figure out what software you're usingJan 04 03:02
XRevan86they might even using nmap for the job and find out what OS you're using tooJan 04 03:03
vZS1The point isn't the detailsJan 04 03:03
schestowitz__XRevan86: you can limit visibility for particular tasksJan 04 03:04
vZS1It's more that it's reinforcing a monopoly of trustJan 04 03:04
schestowitz__like using freenode masksJan 04 03:04
XRevan86vZS1: The point is that information that Let's Encrypt gets or can get is information you have already given away beforehand.Jan 04 03:04
XRevan86schestowitz__: Can you hide the outer IP address of 04 03:05
vZS1Did you miss what I said about making surveillance easier for them?Jan 04 03:05
schestowitz__XRevan86: this is not about the siteJan 04 03:05
schestowitz__but about getting certsJan 04 03:05
vZS1_easier_Jan 04 03:05
XRevan86If you'd use LE they'll find out IP address. That's erosion of privacy.Jan 04 03:05
vZS1Not _possible_Jan 04 03:06
schestowitz__like, if I ran a Catalan independence siteJan 04 03:06
XRevan86schestowitz__: Are you getting certificates for something other than sites?Jan 04 03:06
schestowitz__and I don't trust Microsoft-hosted LetsDataMine to not cooperate with the Spanish 'royal' familyJan 04 03:06
schestowitz__XRevan86: noJan 04 03:07
schestowitz__not even for sitesJan 04 03:07
XRevan86schestowitz__: That's not what vZS1 is talking about.Jan 04 03:07
vZS1Why should you require to fill in a form every time you want to use TLS?Jan 04 03:07
vZS1They know exactly which host is asking for the TLS certJan 04 03:08
XRevan86vZS1: To know that the software requesting the certificate is controlled by the same people as the IP address attached to the domain name.Jan 04 03:08
schestowitz__vZS1: anything in ipfs hash patterns from which to derive age?Jan 04 03:08
schestowitz__or sequence?Jan 04 03:08
vZS1schestowitz__: not that I'm aware ofJan 04 03:09
schestowitz__like some special charsJan 04 03:09
XRevan86vZS1: Yes, they know, it should be the same host that this certificate is intended for.Jan 04 03:10
vZS1> vZS1: Yes, they know, it should be the same host that this certificate is intended for.Jan 04 03:10
vZS1Bogus claimJan 04 03:11
vZS1That doesn't add anything to securityJan 04 03:11
XRevan86Oh no, they know it originated from AAAA of, they know too much nowJan 04 03:11
schestowitz__ipfs ls and 'refs' give nothingJan 04 03:12
vZS1The point is you shouldn't be required to get consent from a third party to use encryption. Much less, fill out a form giving out even more information every timeJan 04 03:12
XRevan86vZS1: It is designed to prevent MitM, nothing else.Jan 04 03:12
schestowitz__the documentation is not clear what's meant by links or CIDs of linksJan 04 03:12
vZS1A CID is just a top-level hash of a Merkel treeJan 04 03:13
vZS1There's no other metadataJan 04 03:13
schestowitz__XRevan86: LetsDataMine is the MitMJan 04 03:13
schestowitz__vZS1: okJan 04 03:13
vZS1Either you generate metadata at the beginning or you're out of luck ):Jan 04 03:14
vZS1Ah yes. An arbitrary handshake over the internet will get rid of MitM attacks!Jan 04 03:15
XRevan86I guess I'm the only person that doesn't want my ISP to know all the shit about me. As long as public information from servers I connect to isn't additionally confirmed with a Form to erode privacy.Jan 04 03:15
vZS1BrilliantJan 04 03:15
schestowitz__I think I might just run the command 5 times, with grepJan 04 03:16
schestowitz__not efficientJan 04 03:16
schestowitz__but it's in a cron job anyway, so not my troubleJan 04 03:16
vZS1X509 is a mechanism for monopolisation of trustJan 04 03:17
vZS1And data miningJan 04 03:17
vZS1Otherwise self-signed certs wouldn't be penalisedJan 04 03:18
XRevan86vZS1: What stops a MitM from self-signing a certificate?Jan 04 03:19
XRevan86Unless you know in advance what certificates are trusted, a certificate is worthless.Jan 04 03:19
vZS1That's why you need to be careful of what you decide to trust. You shouldn't trust random crap you get off the internetJan 04 03:20
XRevan86vZS1: I can understand if you have a radically different encryption solution in mind, but just trusting all certificates in the existing model is just not serious.Jan 04 03:20
vZS1Any asymmetric encryption scheme needs this precautionJan 04 03:20
XRevan86vZS1: A web browsers show a warning page with a button "trust this cert".Jan 04 03:21
vZS1> but just trusting all certificates in the existing model is just not serious.Jan 04 03:21
vZS1When did I say this?Jan 04 03:21
XRevan86> That's why you need to be careful of what you decide to trust. You shouldn't trust random crap you get off the internetJan 04 03:21
XRevan86This is already how all of this works.Jan 04 03:21
vZS1No it isn'tJan 04 03:21
vZS1You are forced to trust that the monopolies tell you to trustJan 04 03:21
XRevan86Yes it is. You get a warning page and you can choose to trust something.Jan 04 03:22
vZS1s/that/whatJan 04 03:22
vZS1> A web browsers show a warning page with a button "trust this cert".Jan 04 03:22
XRevan86vZS1: So you want a warning page to always show up?Jan 04 03:22
vZS1This is not as simple as you make it seemJan 04 03:22
XRevan86Remove ca-cerificates from your system, problem solved.Jan 04 03:22
schestowitz__I will write code with a bugJan 04 03:22
vZS1The "trust cert" is buried under many buttonsJan 04 03:22
schestowitz__the code will potentially break in 2030Jan 04 03:22
schestowitz__if we get that farJan 04 03:23
XRevan86vZS1: I don't know how you're planning to use Internet after that but you're welcome to try.Jan 04 03:23
vZS1Plenty of people already use the internet and encryption with PGPJan 04 03:24
vZS1Where you aren't spied on and bullied by monopoliesJan 04 03:24
XRevan86With a trust system like public keychains? That's totally not like TLS.Jan 04 03:25
vZS1Who said you need to use a public key chain?Jan 04 03:25
vZS1You will find most educated PGP people discourage keychainsJan 04 03:25
vZS1Because they are bullshit just like X509 (TLS)Jan 04 03:26
XRevan86vZS1: Are you planning on visiting every web site hoster live for them to show you their certificate?Jan 04 03:26
vZS1Yes. You contact them, over different mediums, ideally in person.Jan 04 03:27
XRevan86I don't understand how you even begin to imagine anything like that to work.Jan 04 03:27
vZS1That's real security and not theatreJan 04 03:27
vZS1It's good to know you're promoting theatreJan 04 03:27
XRevan86vZS1: Or you could maybe delegate that job to someone else to make it at least somewhat bearable.Jan 04 03:28
vZS1At least that's clear to us nowJan 04 03:28
XRevan86someone you can trustJan 04 03:28
vZS1That's not real privacyJan 04 03:28
vZS1It's bullshitJan 04 03:28
XRevan86vZS1: You're promoting alternatives that don't work.Jan 04 03:29
vZS1It works plenty enough for many peopleJan 04 03:29
vZS1You can keep spreading your propaganda thoughJan 04 03:29
XRevan86Automobiles are messy, why don't you use chairs as transportation? They don't need driving licences.Jan 04 03:29
vZS1Yeah security engineers will smell through your BS (:Jan 04 03:29
vZS1Nice straw man you got thereJan 04 03:30
vZS1Want a hat and a coat for it?Jan 04 03:30
vZS1It's pretty cold out thereJan 04 03:30
vZS1Maybe gloves?Jan 04 03:30
XRevan86vZS1: I'm not a security engineer, so I am not trying to say that there's no other way to deliver proper encryption.Jan 04 03:30
XRevan86What I'm saying is that you are saying that existing encryption methods are bad and therefore we should use bogus encryption that doesn't work.Jan 04 03:33
*schestowitz__ testing the new codeJan 04 03:34
schestowitz__XRevan86: many existing and widely used crypto is 'faked'Jan 04 03:35
schestowitz__it has weaknesses built into itJan 04 03:35
schestowitz__both in China, Russia...Jan 04 03:35
schestowitz__US, EUJan 04 03:35
XRevan86schestowitz__: Why can't Kazakhstan MitM it then?Jan 04 03:35
schestowitz__we even have official government Web sites and Web pages that admit thisJan 04 03:35
schestowitz__even prior to 9/11Jan 04 03:36
XRevan86They keep trying to impose a MitM certificate onto the population.Jan 04 03:36
schestowitz__why bring up that country?Jan 04 03:36
schestowitz__Because of the Mozilla debacle?Jan 04 03:36
schestowitz__point is,Jan 04 03:37
mjg59There's literally no credible evidence that RSA or AES are 'faked'Jan 04 03:37
schestowitz__governments in general want to spy on people to control themJan 04 03:37
XRevan86schestowitz__: It's in my informational space you know :)Jan 04 03:37
schestowitz__and not all governments are always legitimate in all countriesJan 04 03:37
schestowitz__mjg59: Snowden had some leaks on RSSJan 04 03:37
schestowitz__RSAJan 04 03:37
schestowitz__the company and beyongJan 04 03:37
schestowitz__*beyondJan 04 03:38
XRevan86Russia, Belarus', Ukraine, Kazakhstan, these are countries that I kind of have to know what's going on in.Jan 04 03:38
schestowitz__face-saving PR spin is all they hadJan 04 03:38
mjg59RSA the company is not RSA the extremely well studied asymmetric cryptographic algorithmJan 04 03:38
schestowitz__not just the companyJan 04 03:38
mjg59Snowden has not claimed that the protocol is weakJan 04 03:38
XRevan86schestowitz__: There are weaknesses, but TLS actually works.Jan 04 03:38
mjg59If the NSA had broken RSA they wouldn't have needed to take advantage of "RSA added and removed here"Jan 04 03:39
XRevan86Anything vZS1 proposes either doesn't work or is actually the same thing in disguise.Jan 04 03:39
schestowitz__There was this 04 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NSA paid $10 million to put its backdoor in RSA encryption, according to Reuters report - The VergeJan 04 03:39
schestowitz__and there's moreJan 04 03:39
XRevan86I'm just annoyed by that.Jan 04 03:40
mjg59schestowitz__: That's about a product called "BSafe", not the RSA algorithmJan 04 03:40
XRevan86I usually don't go into debates like that, but it's so factually incorrect I just had to.Jan 04 03:40
vZS1> What I'm saying is that you are saying that existing encryption methods are bad and therefore we should use bogus encryption that doesn't work.Jan 04 03:40
vZS1PGP is pretty good, actually. It's in the nameJan 04 03:41
schestowitz__ 04 03:41
vZS1I'm saying TLS is bogusJan 04 03:41
mjg59schestowitz__: Yeah, there's good reason to believe that dual_ec_erbg is backdoored. That's why we don't use it.Jan 04 03:41
XRevan86Because I know that there are unfortunate issues with CAs, so it's not like I look like a moral hero here by defending that system.Jan 04 03:41
vZS1> Anything vZS1 proposes either doesn't work or is actually the same thing in disguise.Jan 04 03:42
schestowitz__ 04 03:42
schestowitz__ 04 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How the NSA can break trillions of encrypted Web and VPN connections | Ars TechnicaJan 04 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Let's talk about that NSA Diffie-Hellman crack • The RegisterJan 04 03:42
vZS1Go on and smear me all you wantJan 04 03:42
mjg59schestowitz__: That paper literally claims that the NSA wanted to avoid NIST endorsing RSAJan 04 03:42
XRevan86vZS1: PGP doesn't have anything regarding trust beyond what TLS does.Jan 04 03:42
schestowitz__mjg59: Goofle and the NSA are not oppositesJan 04 03:42
schestowitz__Google is a PROVIDER to the NSJan 04 03:42
vZS1That won't stop by patches from being merged not my systems from being used (:Jan 04 03:42
schestowitz__NSAJan 04 03:42
vZS1s/by/my/Jan 04 03:42
schestowitz__so the idea that Google will reject something "because NSA" is outright laughable and outlandishJan 04 03:42
vZS1s/not/nor/Jan 04 03:43
schestowitz__PRISM serves them things on a silver platterJan 04 03:43
XRevan86vZS1: You can blindly trust either, and you can manually verify both too.Jan 04 03:43
schestowitz__including passwords in "the clown"Jan 04 03:43
vZS1>   XRevan86: vZS1: PGP doesn't have anything regarding trust beyond what TLS does.Jan 04 03:43
schestowitz__bblJan 04 03:43
vZS1Glad to see you display even more ignoranceJan 04 03:43
mjg59You're not providing any evidence that the cryptography used in modern web browsers is 'faked'Jan 04 03:43
XRevan86vZS1: On a scale of web you'd just get PGP certificate authorities.Jan 04 03:44
XRevan86because one cannot rigourously verify every single certificate by themselvesJan 04 03:44
XRevan86And there's an overwhelming amount of them out there.Jan 04 03:45
vZS1Of course they can. People running task security do it all the timeJan 04 03:45
vZS1s/task/realJan 04 03:45
mjg59Haha no we fucking don'tJan 04 03:45
mjg59Unless you're defining "real security" as people who do thatJan 04 03:46
mjg59Which isn't a useful definition!Jan 04 03:46
vZS1> because one cannot rigourously verify every single certificate by themselvesJan 04 03:46
vZS1> And there's an overwhelming amount of them out there.Jan 04 03:47
vZS1YesJan 04 03:47
vZS1There's an overwhelming amount of incompetenceJan 04 03:47
vZS1It's called job security for real security engineersJan 04 03:47
XRevan86A competent person always knows when a certificate is legitimate or forged just by looking at it without any other information.Jan 04 03:48
mjg59You can tell by the pixelsJan 04 03:48
vZS1> A competent person always knows when a certificate is legitimate or forged just by looking at it without any other informationJan 04 03:48
vZS1Nice try but noJan 04 03:49
schestowitz__vZS1: voila 04 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full IPFS IndexJan 04 03:49
XRevan86A competent person will always visit the office to get the certificate before trying to connect.Jan 04 03:49
vZS1I'm done pandering to all this BS.Jan 04 03:50
vZS1Another one to ignoreJan 04 03:50
XRevan86vZS1: You just don't know how to solve this issue.Jan 04 03:50
XRevan86No one knows as far as I'm aware, so I don't blame you.Jan 04 03:51
schestowitz__trust monopolies won't helpJan 04 03:51
XRevan86vZS1: But I do blame you for trying to give an impression that you have all the answers.Jan 04 03:51
schestowitz__vZS1: got it done correctly the first pass, no bug fixes needed afaictJan 04 03:52
vZS1Trust doesn't scale. It's that simple.Jan 04 03:53
XRevan86And to give an impression that pointing out the fundamental issue of trust in encryption is somehow bullshit, strawmanning, et al.Jan 04 03:53
XRevan86vZS1: Internet is outrageously huge, it's that simple.Jan 04 03:53
vZS1schestowitz__: looks pretty goodJan 04 03:54
mjg59Literally nobody thinks that the CA trust model is fundamentally a good thingJan 04 03:54
XRevan86Neither do I.Jan 04 03:55
schestowitz__the Net is a messJan 04 03:55
schestowitz__a fish that rotsJan 04 03:55
mjg59But we're lacking alternatives that don't have significant drawbacksJan 04 03:55
schestowitz__from the head downJan 04 03:55
schestowitz__starting with root DNSJan 04 03:55
schestowitz__did IANA pick over from ICANN fully? Not yet.Jan 04 03:55
schestowitz__Trump still has the 'keys' to the NetJan 04 03:56
schestowitz__with his radical racist partyJan 04 03:56
schestowitz__that wants to incite violence to derail election and transition of powerJan 04 03:56
vZS1DNS in general is a mess. Gladly, we have onion services and IPNS slowly replacing it.Jan 04 03:56
schestowitz__I often wonder what would happen digitally in Iran if the US started a war there and actually had a hard time, unlike with IraqJan 04 03:56
schestowitz__lots of leeway for 'cheating' digitallyJan 04 03:57
vZS1Digital voting is too riskyJan 04 03:57
schestowitz__they already ban Iranians (even Persians outside Iran) from doing some things in GAFAM sitesJan 04 03:57
schestowitz__and they're not even at war (yet?)Jan 04 03:57
vZS1Some things need to stay as paperJan 04 03:57
XRevan86vZS1: That I agree with.Jan 04 03:58
schestowitz__ttps:// 04 03:58
schestowitz__crazy Jan 04 03:58
schestowitz__madness normalisedJan 04 03:58
schestowitz__US has Windows sin voting machinesJan 04 03:58
XRevan86Voting trust is based on transparency and verification.Jan 04 03:58
schestowitz__if you oppose this, not they call you Trump conspiracy buffJan 04 03:59
vZS1I'm off for now. Got a busy week ahead but I'll work on the IPFS stuff again over the coming weekend. Jan 04 03:59
XRevan86Too much election fraud has been exposed in Russia so now there's digital voting on rollout.Jan 04 04:00
XRevan86Should fix the fraud exposure issue.Jan 04 04:00
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schestowitz__vZS1: any point putting the ipfs text index inside ipfs?Jan 04 04:01
schestowitz__sort of a recursive thingJan 04 04:01
schestowitz__and it changes over time, so...Jan 04 04:01
XRevan86Already has technically. I don't know why I keep using future tense.Jan 04 04:01
schestowitz__that would likely mean daily new object for each day, ipfs doesn't handle dynamic  stuff wellJan 04 04:01
vZS1That's what IPNS is for. I'll get there eventually.Jan 04 04:01
schestowitz__okJan 04 04:02
vZS1I'll do a write-up for that too. It's a lot simpler.Jan 04 04:02
vZS1So don't worry about it too muchJan 04 04:02
vZS1You've got over the biggest hurdle of using the utility itselfJan 04 04:03
schestowitz__silly question:Jan 04 04:04
schestowitz__any html/www index of sites with ipfs?Jan 04 04:04
schestowitz__for discoveryJan 04 04:04
schestowitz__I know it beats the purpose, sort ofJan 04 04:04
schestowitz__maybe we can promote these with cids for linksJan 04 04:05
XRevan86I think we're pretty lucky that everyone needs encryption including the people in power and the only opposition to it is people stupid enough not to understand how crucial it is.Jan 04 04:06
XRevan86So it mostly works as everyone is invested in it working more than not.Jan 04 04:07
XRevan86except Kazakhstan, the country that renamed the capital to the first name of the president.Jan 04 04:11
XRevan86Even Minsk is still not Alexander (any day now)Jan 04 04:12
XRevan86There's already a city called Vladimir, so no comment there.Jan 04 04:13
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schestowitz__"nuke Vladimir"Jan 04 04:16
schestowitz__"aye sir"Jan 04 04:16
schestowitz__"is 60 megatons enough?"Jan 04 04:16
CrystalMathpersonally i think people are forgetting the importance of not being able to prove you voted for someoneJan 04 04:23
CrystalMaththat's the only way to discourage buying votesJan 04 04:24
XRevan86Nazarbayev's birthday is coincides with a state holiday called capital city day.Jan 04 04:27
XRevan86/ is//Jan 04 04:27
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DaemonFC[m]Because they'll be ruined if they lose the PC market.Jan 04 05:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Suspicious Activity Reports (SAR) | OCCJan 04 05:14
DaemonFC[m]Maybe they could just call it the Suspicious Activity Report System or SARS.Jan 04 05:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime Required - The New York TimesJan 04 05:16
schestowitz__like no fly listsJan 04 06:02
schestowitz__you cannot even find out if you're on soem listsJan 04 06:03
schestowitz__so you can have your life ruined like thatJan 04 06:03
schestowitz__turning "linux" into clowns 04 06:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Monitor API Call and User Activity in AWS Using CloudTrailJan 04 06:05
schestowitz__'tools' for proprietary clown GUIsJan 04 06:05
schestowitz__"Go to the service ‘CloudTrail’ and click on the dashboard. You can see the event name, time, and source. You can click on ‘View full Event history’ to get all the events."Jan 04 06:05
schestowitz__Where can I download this "dashboard" thing?Jan 04 06:06
schestowitz__ 04 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tanzania: Seif Tells Zanzibaris to Shun Political Hatred - allAfrica.comJan 04 06:10
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schestowitz__is Sam's ITwire rss feed broken again or is he away for extended period?Jan 04 06:34
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schestowitz__ 04 07:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | internal transfer from azure org to non-azure org - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffsJan 04 07:07
schestowitz__"Jan 04 07:07
schestowitz__internal transfer from azure org to non-azure orgJan 04 07:07
schestowitz__I am planning to transfer from azure org to non-azure org. Does Microsoft does background verification again for internal transfer apart from visa transfer?Jan 04 07:07
schestowitz__Plz throw some valuable inputsJan 04 07:07
schestowitz__"Jan 04 07:07
Techrights-secSam's feed is probably ok, he has not written since Boxing Day Jan 04 07:07
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vZS1schestowitz__: usually, if a site has an IPFS version, they mention it somewhereJan 04 10:05
schestowitz__can you name news sites that have it?Jan 04 10:06
vZS1Let's seeJan 04 10:06
schestowitz__I know of none tbhJan 04 10:07
schestowitz__in Daily Links we can add IPFS sectionJan 04 10:07
schestowitz__with CIDsJan 04 10:07
schestowitz__it's not hard to accomplish and curateJan 04 10:07
vZS1Can't find anyJan 04 10:07
schestowitz__:-DJan 04 10:10
vZS1I always recommend coupling an IPFS site with RSS.Jan 04 10:13
schestowitz__my upload speeds are awful todayJan 04 10:13
schestowitz__uploading a video, 16 MB in 1.5 hours!Jan 04 10:13
schestowitz__can you info on what time Assange decision comes out, roughly?Jan 04 10:15
schestowitz__end of day? midday?Jan 04 10:15
schestowitz__ Jan 04 10:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nomination of Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden for the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize - Don't Extradite AssangeJan 04 10:15
schestowitz__MEDIA ADVISORY – Julian Assange Extradition Case Decision: "Time: 10:00 Start Date: Monday 4th January 2021" Jan 04 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | MEDIA ADVISORY - Julian Assange Extradition Case Decision - Don't Extradite AssangeJan 04 10:16
Techrights-sec 04 10:17
Techrights-secYes, the JA decision is apparently happening at the momentJan 04 10:26
Techrights-sec10am UTCJan 04 10:26 seems on topic, uses some unreasonable terms like "IP" but we can cherry-pickJan 04 10:28
Techrights-secYes, their use of the term "IP" seems to be a problem but otherwise I can add Jan 04 10:30
Techrights-secthem to the autmated feeds.  Jan 04 10:30
schestowitz__so many news sites have perished, so might as well collect what might still be relevant and curate/sort from thereJan 04 10:30
vZS1This is Magistrate CourtJan 04 10:33
vZS1There's two higher courtsJan 04 10:33
vZS1High CourtJan 04 10:33
vZS1And SupremeJan 04 10:33
vZS1So it could get appealed twiceJan 04 10:34
schestowitz__Yes, they can probably appealJan 04 10:34
schestowitz__but he's rotting away in the meantimeJan 04 10:34
schestowitz__and it can get appealed only if they present grounds that are accepted higher upJan 04 10:34
schestowitz__like mistakes or factual errors madeJan 04 10:34
Ariadnethe US should pardon assange imoJan 04 10:36
vZS1First AmendmentJan 04 10:36
Ariadnethey should also pardon the silk road dudeJan 04 10:37
schestowitz__#wikileaks #assange decision shortlyJan 04 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MurtazaViews: Julian Assange’s partner Stella Morris at the central criminal court to hear if the judge will order extradition of… 04 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MurtazaViews: Julian Assange’s partner Stella Morris at the central criminal court to hear if the judge will order extradition of… 04 10:37
schestowitz__vZS1: when you outsource to Twitter 04 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WikiLeaks - NewsJan 04 10:37
schestowitz__and your news section is stale for 2 years!Jan 04 10:38
schestowitz__whatever the outcome of the case, I'll start drafting somethingJan 04 10:43
schestowitz__this BLOODY connection is awfulJan 04 10:43
schestowitz__20 MB out of 140 MB.... in 2 hours!!!Jan 04 10:43
schestowitz__this can take like a whole day at this paceJan 04 10:43
Ariadne?Jan 04 10:44
schestowitz__and the news it covers is getting older by the hourJan 04 10:44
Ariadnewhat connectionJan 04 10:44
schestowitz__Ariadne: the connection at my homeJan 04 10:44
AriadneohJan 04 10:44
schestowitz__the site is awesomeJan 04 10:44
schestowitz__so fast, too!Jan 04 10:44
schestowitz__I think they flagged me for throttlingJan 04 10:44
schestowitz__for ipfs likelyJan 04 10:44
schestowitz__22.2/158mbJan 04 10:45
vZS1What was your upload speed like before?Jan 04 10:45
schestowitz__it would hang for life half a minute, resume, then pause againJan 04 10:45
Ariadneyeah that’s throttlingJan 04 10:45
schestowitz__classic time sharing round robin crapJan 04 10:45
schestowitz__welcome back 1990sJan 04 10:45
schestowitz__vZS1: a lot better than this :-)Jan 04 10:45
schestowitz__sometimes it's faster Jan 04 10:46
schestowitz__for a bitJan 04 10:46
Ariadnei guess after brexit they can’t afford to just give you what you pay forJan 04 10:46
schestowitz__seems they have another mood on Monday morningsJan 04 10:46
schestowitz__Ariadne: lolJan 04 10:46
schestowitz__brexshiteJan 04 10:46
schestowitz__soon we'll need to buy bags of riceJan 04 10:46
Ariadneemergency foodJan 04 10:46
schestowitz__exit europe, enter vietnamJan 04 10:46
schestowitz__taking back contrOLOLJan 04 10:47
schestowitz__ 04 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Support Julian Paul Assange | TechrightsJan 04 10:49
vZS1Any chance of getting a pardon from sleepy Joe?Jan 04 10:50
schestowitz__they need to "wake him up"Jan 04 10:51
schestowitz__ 04 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Assange a high-tech terrorist: Biden - YouTubeJan 04 10:51
schestowitz__Biden is more GOP than DJan 04 10:51
schestowitz__ 04 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Meet The Press McConnell- Assange is a 'high-tech terrorist' - YouTubeJan 04 10:51
vZS1Yeah but I don't think he'd want to be known as the president that let press freedom erode awayJan 04 10:52
Ariadne[04:50] <vZS1> Any chance of getting a pardon from sleepy Joe?Jan 04 10:52
Ariadnenot likelyJan 04 10:52
Ariadnethey will spin itJan 04 10:52
Ariadnethey will say assange is a terroristJan 04 10:53
Ariadnethey will tie him to trumpJan 04 10:53
Ariadneand democrats will call for his headJan 04 10:53
Ariadnehe should be pardonedJan 04 10:54
Ariadnethe only alleged crime he committed was a matter in swedenJan 04 10:54
Ariadnehas nothing to do with USAJan 04 10:54
schestowitz__I have a stupid questionJan 04 10:57
schestowitz__let's say you want a quick update on the caseJan 04 10:57
schestowitz__or court outcomeJan 04 10:57
schestowitz__and you reject social control mediaJan 04 10:57
schestowitz__and spying 'news' sites like channel 4 and itcJan 04 10:57
schestowitz__where do you turn?Jan 04 10:57
vZS1There should be official sites from the courtsJan 04 10:58
schestowitz__they are not updated quicklyJan 04 10:58
schestowitz__like FCC in German, re UPCJan 04 10:58
schestowitz__the news was broken in twitter iircJan 04 10:58
schestowitz__and then decisions in a page linked toJan 04 10:59
schestowitz__or we just mass-refreshed the pageJan 04 10:59
schestowitz__later came EN textJan 04 10:59
schestowitz__DE firstJan 04 10:59
schestowitz__I forgot the sequence of eventsJan 04 10:59
schestowitz__but the Web ruins the justice processJan 04 10:59
schestowitz__like trial by social control mediaJan 04 10:59
schestowitz__or reactions controlled by Internet mobsJan 04 10:59
schestowitz__ beating actual journalists to itJan 04 10:59
schestowitz__with spin and distortion of outcomesJan 04 11:00
vZS1I had a look at the details and apparently, Assange is being prosecuted for "encouraging hacking"Jan 04 11:04
vZS1So they dodge having to fight around the First Amendment, by spinning it like thatJan 04 11:04
vZS1 04 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What’s on at the Old Bailey, January 4 – Old Bailey Insight & Legal LondonJan 04 11:06
vZS1That's the best I could findJan 04 11:06
vZS1 04 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What’s on at the Old Bailey today – Old Bailey Insight & Legal LondonJan 04 11:08
mjg59Well good the UK denied extradition for AssangeJan 04 11:12
schestowitz__Great! 04 11:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Breaking: UK judge rules against extradition of Assange to US #AssangeCaseJan 04 11:14
schestowitz__can you proofread with me?Jan 04 11:16
schestowitz__for speed?Jan 04 11:16
schestowitz__ 04 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Julian Assange’s Extradition DENIED by British Court | TechrightsJan 04 11:18
vZS1SureJan 04 11:20
schestowitz__fixed Trumps'sJan 04 11:20
schestowitz__Assange now trending in TwitterJan 04 11:21
vZS1Don't see anything else wrongJan 04 11:23
vZS1But maybe it's worth redacting the bit about the FSF and staying a bit more narrowly focused.Jan 04 11:24
vZS1You can do another post on that as a follow upJan 04 11:24
vZS1Seems just bolted on right nowJan 04 11:24
vZS1There's more about that than the actual Assange decisionJan 04 11:25
vZS1The judge ultimately ruled based on health groundsJan 04 11:26
vZS1So that's not exactly setting a good precedent.Jan 04 11:27
schestowitz__hmm..Jan 04 11:27
schestowitz__I did not read that decisionJan 04 11:27
schestowitz__do you have the link?Jan 04 11:27
vZS1 04 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Julian Assange news - live: WikiLeaks founder will not face ‘oppressive’ extradition to US, UK court rules | The IndependentJan 04 11:28 is slowJan 04 11:28
schestowitz__where is the PDF or similar?Jan 04 11:28
schestowitz__the above site is maliciousJan 04 11:28
schestowitz__ad blockers and worseJan 04 11:28
schestowitz__and many browsers I use cannot access itJan 04 11:29
schestowitz__I want to link to the real sourceJan 04 11:29
schestowitz__"Court 2 at 10am Wikileaks founder Julian Assange will find out if he is going to be extradited to the United States. He is wanted in the US for allegedly conspiring with army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to expose military secrets between January and May 2010."Jan 04 11:29
schestowitz__ 04 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What’s on at the Old Bailey, January 4 – Old Bailey Insight & Legal LondonJan 04 11:29
schestowitz__no linkJan 04 11:29
vZS1I'm waiting for the real source myselfJan 04 11:30
vZS1But I don't think we'll get that immediatelyJan 04 11:30
schestowitz__like I said an hour agoJan 04 11:30
vZS1It will take a while for the documents to be uploadedJan 04 11:30
schestowitz__social control media mobs will dominate the responseJan 04 11:30
schestowitz__and shape the reactionsJan 04 11:30
schestowitz__because the courts are too slowJan 04 11:30
schestowitz__they don't publish fast enoughJan 04 11:31
schestowitz__some of them write "tweets"Jan 04 11:31
schestowitz__before the actual decisionJan 04 11:31
schestowitz__this is terribleJan 04 11:31
schestowitz__German FCC was the same Jan 04 11:31
schestowitz__re UCP in March last yearJan 04 11:31
vZS1Well. It's the internetJan 04 11:31
schestowitz__and them Team UPC fanatics would comment on the "tweet"Jan 04 11:31
schestowitz__like a threatre of idiocyJan 04 11:31
schestowitz__later they have german decisionJan 04 11:31
schestowitz__then englishJan 04 11:31
vZS1It should be published immediately by the court, though. I agree with that muchJan 04 11:32
vZS1But you can't stop the internet from being the internetJan 04 11:32
vZS1The mobs will always be the mobsJan 04 11:32
schestowitz__There's someone who penned some pieces hosted in Techrights (figosdev; I don't know his first or last name, never saw a photo either); earlier in the month of December he totally snapped because someone in IRC had said something about nutrition (which I do not even understand; didn't even know what the acronym meant, so I stayed out of it).Jan 04 11:33
schestowitz__How that led to a verbal attack on me (I did not even participate in that IRC smalltalk)... I still don't understand. This wasn't the first flippant response of this kind. I listen, I don't censor, and occasionally I offer space in Techrights. I try not to edit (not even insults) because edits are censorship unless it's typos (not changing meaning/emotion).Jan 04 11:34
Techrights-secIs there an actual source to the JA decision yet or just hearsay?Jan 04 11:34
schestowitz__  figosdev no longer writes for us. On many things I agree with him, but it always disturbed me that he urged you to step down (also some of the things he wrote about the FSF, a sort of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater").Jan 04 11:34
vZS1> Techrights-sec: Is there an actual source to the JA decision yet or just hearsay?Jan 04 11:35
vZS1Just hearsayJan 04 11:35
schestowitz__Techrights-sec: this is EXACTLY what we try to figure out in IRC right now. Short answer: no. Loner: de FCC was the same re UPC.Jan 04 11:35
vZS1We're still waiting for the official PDFJan 04 11:35
vZS1schestowitz__: it's good that the chat is left uncensored. At most redactions of names should be done.Jan 04 11:36
schestowitz__it would be ovbious based on contextJan 04 11:37
schestowitz__only first names were usually usedJan 04 11:37
schestowitz__like namecallingJan 04 11:37
schestowitz__I've just closed twitterJan 04 11:39
schestowitz__it's a noise machine Jan 04 11:39
schestowitz__with "Microsoft" trending, at least in the UKJan 04 11:39
schestowitz__NO idea whyJan 04 11:39
schestowitz__and I don't need to click, don't want to find outJan 04 11:39
schestowitz__maybe some new spamming campaignJan 04 11:39
schestowitz__facilitated by their partner, Twitter Inc.Jan 04 11:39
vZS1 04 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trials in the Old Bailey and the Central Criminal Court - The National ArchivesJan 04 11:40
schestowitz__wikileaks broke the news for me, from the courtroom (oral/verbal) I assumeJan 04 11:40
vZS1I'm trying to use this atmJan 04 11:40
schestowitz__ 04 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ggreenwald: The rejection by the UK court of the US Govt's request to extradite Julian Assange to stand trial on espionage char… 04 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ggreenwald: The rejection by the UK court of the US Govt's request to extradite Julian Assange to stand trial on espionage char… 04 11:40
vZS1Maybe it will help usJan 04 11:40
schestowitz__Notice no linksJan 04 11:40
schestowitz__so he's relying on something he heard or read somewhereJan 04 11:40
schestowitz__not the ACTUAL decisionJan 04 11:40
schestowitz__for the first time in ages I opened TwitterJan 04 11:42
schestowitz__and it was a mess, as I remembered it...Jan 04 11:42
schestowitz__too much has been outsourced to itJan 04 11:42
schestowitz__not just mob justiceJan 04 11:42
schestowitz__even courtsJan 04 11:42
schestowitz__and people "tweeting" from hearingsJan 04 11:42
schestowitz__one day in the future it can be looked upon as a Dark AgeJan 04 11:42
schestowitz__when idiots with fake 'phones' were pecking and bobbing to influence the operations of society and the stateJan 04 11:43
schestowitz__and find old articles in the press archives which mention this thing called "TWEETS"Jan 04 11:43
schestowitz__"the decison was tweeted..."Jan 04 11:43
schestowitz__"Greenwald heard about a decision and then tweeted..."Jan 04 11:43
vZS1Hold onJan 04 11:43
vZS1"Jan 04 11:44
vZS1The first published account of trials held at the Old Bailey dates from 1674 and from 1678 to 1913 accounts of trials were regularly published. These published proceedings were produced for public consumption. Published proceedings ceased in 1913 by which time they had become largely redundant in the face of newspaper reports of trials.Jan 04 11:44
vZS1"Jan 04 11:44
vZS1What is this bullshitJan 04 11:44
vZS1From the link 04 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trials in the Old Bailey and the Central Criminal Court - The National ArchivesJan 04 11:44
vZS1So "news"papers are considered an okay replacement to published proceedings?Jan 04 11:46
schestowitz__no, worseJan 04 11:47
schestowitz__"tweets" from "news" papersJan 04 11:47
schestowitz__like Daily FailJan 04 11:47
vZS1I was just going to mention thatJan 04 11:48
schestowitz__and then that shapes trhe debateJan 04 11:48
schestowitz__by the time the decision comes out in writing nobody caresJan 04 11:48
schestowitz__it's "old news"Jan 04 11:48
schestowitz__people judge the judgement on the tweets"Jan 04 11:48
schestowitz__"tweets"Jan 04 11:48
schestowitz__SCOTUS has SCOTUS BLogJan 04 11:48
schestowitz__they get inside lookJan 04 11:48
schestowitz__like media partnersJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__but they're private firmsJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__not part of SCOTUS itselfJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__it was a subject of controversy we covered ages agoJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__like lawyers watching over SCOTUSJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__with their biasedJan 04 11:49
vZS1Christ. I didn't realise the system was this brokenJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__with their biased viewed and biasesJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__media partnersJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__for courtsJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__trial by media? Jan 04 11:49
schestowitz__noJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__Media-sponsored trialsJan 04 11:49
schestowitz__ 04 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MelTravisLayton: @LLinWood @realDonaldTrump @GenFlynn @SidneyPowell1 04 11:50
schestowitz__all sorts of dodgy accounts link to usJan 04 11:51
schestowitz__ 04 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Subscribe to read | Financial TimesJan 04 11:55
vZS1I think I found it!Jan 04 11:55
vZS1 04 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | USA -v- Julian Assange | Courts and Tribunals JudiciaryJan 04 11:55
schestowitz__x 04 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | InfoSec Handlers Diary BlogJan 04 11:55
schestowitz__I have updated my post with the linlJan 04 12:00
schestowitz__*linlJan 04 12:00
schestowitz__*linkJan 04 12:00
vZS1"410. I order the discharge of Julian Paul Assange, pursuant to section 91(3) of the EA 2003."Jan 04 12:01
vZS1That was much more difficult than it should beJan 04 12:01
vZS1What the hellJan 04 12:01
schestowitz__132 pagesJan 04 12:02
schestowitz__which page are you quoting?Jan 04 12:02
vZS1It's all numberedJan 04 12:02
schestowitz__will make local copy and screenshotJan 04 12:02
vZS1It's the last lineJan 04 12:02
schestowitz__to avert the numberJan 04 12:02
schestowitz__okJan 04 12:02
vZS1J. OrderJan 04 12:03
schestowitz__last is just sigJan 04 12:03
schestowitz__132Jan 04 12:03
vZS1s/Order/OrdersJan 04 12:03
schestowitz__131 it isJan 04 12:04
schestowitz__see 409.Jan 04 12:04
schestowitz__she rejects the argumentJan 04 12:04
schestowitz__to save faceJan 04 12:04
schestowitz__but net effect is,he's off the hookJan 04 12:04
schestowitz__better than I anticipatedJan 04 12:04
schestowitz__we don't need a local copy of itJan 04 12:05
schestowitz__aJan 04 12:05
schestowitz__a high-profile historic caseJan 04 12:05
schestowitz__there won't be lack of access/reach to copiesJan 04 12:05
vZS1It's still a shitty decisionJan 04 12:06
schestowitz__my upload speeds are painfulJan 04 12:06
vZS1In health groundsJan 04 12:06
schestowitz__like a  minute to upload just an imageJan 04 12:06
schestowitz__rianne says youtube also buffers a lot due to itJan 04 12:06
schestowitz__ 04 12:06
schestowitz__ 04 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Julian Assange’s Extradition DENIED by British Court (Updated) | TechrightsJan 04 12:07
vZS1 04 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Extradition Act 2003Jan 04 12:08
schestowitz__some truly terribly fonts they useJan 04 12:08
schestowitz__hinting/kerningJan 04 12:08
schestowitz__*terribleJan 04 12:09
vZS1He's practically off the hook for now. But this was on medical grounds and not freedom of speech and pressJan 04 12:10
vZS1That's not a good signJan 04 12:10
vZS1See the link aboveJan 04 12:11
vZS191(3) EA 2003Jan 04 12:11
vZS1EA := Extradition ActJan 04 12:11
schestowitz__I saw, linkedJan 04 12:12
schestowitz__my upload speeds as a PITaJan 04 12:12
vZS1"Jan 04 12:12
schestowitz__bad day for thatJan 04 12:12
schestowitz__I wanted to make a video about part 3 re IntelJan 04 12:12
vZS191 Physical or mental conditionJan 04 12:12
vZS1(1)This section applies if at any time in the extradition hearing it appears to the judge that the condition in subsection (2) is satisfied.Jan 04 12:13
vZS1(2)The condition is that the physical or mental condition of the person is such that it would be unjust or oppressive to extradite him.Jan 04 12:13
vZS1(3)The judge must—Jan 04 12:14
vZS1(a)order the person’s discharge, orJan 04 12:14
vZS1(b)adjourn the extradition hearing until it appears to him that the condition in subsection (2) is no longer satisfied.Jan 04 12:14
vZS1"Jan 04 12:14
schestowitz__I've just alerted wikieaks about itJan 04 12:19
schestowitz__but they probably know regardlessJan 04 12:19
schestowitz__their lawyers would anticipateJan 04 12:20
schestowitz__I think they targeted that section for compassionate dischargeJan 04 12:20
schestowitz__and maybe it was their legal strategy all alongJan 04 12:20
schestowitz__BTW, his wife lives in LondonJan 04 12:20
schestowitz__well, financeeJan 04 12:20
schestowitz__so he might not even move to AustraliaJan 04 12:20
schestowitz__they need to both move to Iceland or somethingJan 04 12:21
schestowitz__further away from 5EYESJan 04 12:21
vZS1Why Iceland?Jan 04 12:21
schestowitz__press freedomJan 04 12:21
vZS1AhJan 04 12:22
vZS1So where is Wikileaks based?Jan 04 12:22
schestowitz__look it upJan 04 12:22
schestowitz__Sunshine pressJan 04 12:22
schestowitz__their editor in chief is a journalist from there, tooJan 04 12:23
vZS1AhJan 04 12:24
vZS1IcelandJan 04 12:24
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schestowitz__ 04 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #trump could, but did NOT, withdraw from cases against #pressFreedom e.g. with a pardon. Always remember how he attacked TRUTH ITSELF. #wikileaks #snowden Jan 04 12:28
schestowitz__LOL!Jan 04 12:28
schestowitz__ 04 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Vietnam's SofM wins China LoL of the year MVP award - VnExpress InternationalJan 04 12:28
schestowitz__LoL of the year Jan 04 12:29
vZS1Off for now. Have a good day, all.Jan 04 12:30
schestowitz__cheersJan 04 12:30
XRevan86 04 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump pressures Georgia's Raffensperger to overturn his defeat in extraordinary call - The Washington PostJan 04 13:42
XRevan86Only listened to the four minute recording, that was fun.Jan 04 13:44
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schestowitz__typicalJan 04 14:43
schestowitz__Trump makes Vlad look like top class and brassJan 04 14:44
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vZS1_2schestowitz__: I'm going to pin the PDFs from the trial rn.Jan 04 14:52
vZS1_2You can just share the CIDs. I'll serve them for TRJan 04 14:52
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schestowitz__sounds good, vZS1_2Jan 04 15:08
schestowitz__I think it's an abundant thing to be finding in the futureJan 04 15:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-all i want for christmas is to hit those notes - YouTubeJan 04 15:08
schestowitz__ipfs might be better for rare and suppressed stuffJan 04 15:08
schestowitz__vZS1_2: still uploadign the video LOLJan 04 15:16
schestowitz__since 7amJan 04 15:16
schestowitz__just halfway nowJan 04 15:16
schestowitz__great stuffJan 04 15:16
schestowitz__70mb in about 7 hoursJan 04 15:16
schestowitz__welcome back 1995Jan 04 15:16
Techrights-sec 04 15:17
Techrights-secThe argument presented there is about his health and not aboutJan 04 15:17
Techrights-secfreedom of the press.Jan 04 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | British Judge Rejects US Extradition Request for WikiLeaks Founder | Voice of America - EnglishJan 04 15:17
schestowitz__Our post was updated to show thisJan 04 15:17
vZS1_2Techrights-sec: we discussed this earlier. It's all recorded in the IRC logs.Jan 04 15:18
vZS1_2Assange was discharged wrt Section 91(3)(a) of the Extradition Act 2003Jan 04 15:18
vZS1_2schestowitz__: I wrapped a directory around the two PDFs this timeJan 04 15:20
Techrights-secok, I see the update: 04 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Julian Assange’s Extradition DENIED by British Court (Updated) | TechrightsJan 04 15:21
vZS1_2 04 15:22
vZS1_2 04 15:23
vZS1_2These are the official court documentsJan 04 15:23
schestowitz__WHAT? No archived TWEETS?Jan 04 15:24
schestowitz__Did you not put in IPFS 1MB of zips of tweets with JS and images and fonts? :-)Jan 04 15:24
vZS1_2Sorry. No Twitler here.Jan 04 15:24
schestowitz__But tweets, man!Jan 04 15:24
schestowitz__decisions: tl;drJan 04 15:25
schestowitz__"Trump MAGA2020 John" tweet about Assange is better than 132 of legal textJan 04 15:25
schestowitz__*pagesJan 04 15:25
vZS1_2Techrights-sec: USA-v-Assange-judgment-040121.pdf, pg 132, Section "J. Orders", item "410".Jan 04 15:27
schestowitz__Techrights-sec will see thatJan 04 15:28
schestowitz__speaking over ssh relay on self-hosted raspi with ytalk in tmux :-)Jan 04 15:28
vZS1_2Good stuffJan 04 15:28
vZS1_2Just wanted to make it easier for themJan 04 15:28
MinceR 04 15:29
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vZS1_2s/pg 132/pg 131/Jan 04 15:30
schestowitz__this is new and your turf, vZS1_2Jan 04 15:43
schestowitz__"Signal has been moving in the direction of adding PINs for some time because they realize the danger of relying on the phone number system. Signal just mandated PINs for everyone as part of that switch. Good for security? I really don't think so. They did it so you could recover some bits of "profile, settings, and who you’ve blocked"."Jan 04 15:43
schestowitz__ 04 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Wrong About Signal | Bryan QuigleyJan 04 15:43
schestowitz__I'd do a video about signal and other crapJan 04 15:43
schestowitz__but I lack firsthand experience with those "apps"Jan 04 15:43
schestowitz__"In summary, Signal got people to hastily create or reuse PINs for minimal disclosed security benefits. There is a possibility that the push for mandatory cloud based PINS despite all of the pushback is that Signal knows of active attacks that these PINs would protect against. It likely would be related to using phone numbers."Jan 04 15:44
schestowitz__ 04 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Why signal is #shit and #eff endorsing such #shitty things harms the reputation of the EFF Jan 04 15:44
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schestowitz__I heard many bad things about signalJan 04 15:54
schestowitz__but no actual experience with it, which I suppose is a good thingJan 04 15:55
vZS1_2It is fake encryption because you don't control your keysJan 04 15:55
schestowitz__Vault 7 has some leaks about how CIA bypasses the 'protection'Jan 04 15:55
schestowitz__People really should not use so-called 'phones' to communicateJan 04 15:55
schestowitz__except maybe 'hi', 'bye', 'cya 7'Jan 04 15:55
schestowitz__the sorts of comms that give almost nothing of usJan 04 15:56
schestowitz__*useJan 04 15:56
schestowitz__or nothing that's not already known or easy to figure outJan 04 15:56
vZS1_2It's still possible to keep privacy when using these servicesJan 04 15:59
vZS1_2Just use end-to-end encryptionJan 04 15:59
schestowitz__and not on a 'phone'Jan 04 16:00
schestowitz__you cannot hold any private keys on itJan 04 16:00
schestowitz__assume any key on it to be compromisedJan 04 16:00
schestowitz__throw away the keyJan 04 16:00
schestowitz__replace with anotherJan 04 16:00
schestowitz__like mistakenly pasting a password in a busy IRC channelJan 04 16:00
scientesschestowitz__, I've got the pinephoneJan 04 16:01
schestowitz__does it have dual processor?Jan 04 16:01
schestowitz__one for the tower?Jan 04 16:01
scientes4xA53Jan 04 16:02
schestowitz__I've long wondered if pinephone did something about thatJan 04 16:02
scientesoh, and the modem has its own, but it probably is not secureJan 04 16:02
schestowitz__pinephone can be 100% failproof and without back doors, intentional or notJan 04 16:02
scientesits over the pci busJan 04 16:02
schestowitz__but if there's a hypervisor on the board, you need to inspect that tooJan 04 16:02
scientesBus 003 Device 002: ID 2c7c:0125 Quectel Wireless Solutions Co., Ltd. EC25 LTE modemJan 04 16:03
scientesusb busJan 04 16:03
scientesschestowitz__, no, its just arm with linuxJan 04 16:03
scientesfairly standardJan 04 16:03
scientesand it uses ModemManagerJan 04 16:03
scientesIntel actually built some really nice software that works with GNU/LinuxJan 04 16:03
scientesI think because of their involvement with TizenJan 04 16:04
scienteslike they wrote the daemon for doing MMS (picture SMS)Jan 04 16:04
scientesnot something I am interested inJan 04 16:04
schestowitz__"linuxsecurity" relaying anti-Linux FUD AGAIN 04 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Golang malware infecting Windows, Linux servers with XMRig miner.Jan 04 16:06
schestowitz__sometimes it feels like anti-Linux siteJan 04 16:06
schestowitz__also fuding go and moneroJan 04 16:07
vZS1_2MS hates Go because it's wildly successful and not theirsJan 04 16:07
MinceRi hate go because lol no genericsJan 04 16:09
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vZS1_2I still like it.Jan 04 16:15
MinceR 04 16:15
vZS1_2Also, they have added genererics to GoJan 04 16:16
vZS1_2s/genererics/generics/Jan 04 16:16
schestowitz__:-)Jan 04 16:16
schestowitz__gonericsJan 04 16:16
vZS1_2I'm pretty sure including generics was forced on the design teamJan 04 16:16
MinceR:>Jan 04 16:16
vZS1_2Go has interfaces and those are sufficientJan 04 16:17
vZS1_2They resisted generics from the very startJan 04 16:17
vZS1_2But marketing probably to blame thereJan 04 16:17
MinceRi prefer languages designed by teams who don't want to force me to copy/paste codeJan 04 16:17
schestowitz__do you want your work and code to rely on google?Jan 04 16:17
vZS1_2Yeah. Because you can compile Go from source.Jan 04 16:17
vZS1_2It's practically freeJan 04 16:17
vZS1_2in both freedom and beer senseJan 04 16:18
schestowitz__the direction is notJan 04 16:18
vZS1_2EhJan 04 16:18
schestowitz__unless you have resources to fork itJan 04 16:18
vZS1_2I will just use the version I useJan 04 16:18
schestowitz__same for systemd and LinuxJan 04 16:18
schestowitz__they are vastJan 04 16:18
schestowitz__and you know what sorts of companies control themJan 04 16:18
vZS1_2You forget that you can freeze these thingsJan 04 16:18
schestowitz__not alwaysJan 04 16:19
schestowitz__dependency hell can occur down the yearsJan 04 16:19
MinceRyou can't freeze most of them safelyJan 04 16:19
MinceRespecially if your language has a practical library for things like networkingJan 04 16:19
vZS1_2There's still COBOL code running fineJan 04 16:19
vZS1_2It's no concern to meJan 04 16:19
vZS1_2If people can't freeze that's their problemJan 04 16:19
vZS1_2I can and it works for me (:Jan 04 16:20
vZS1_2And COBOL is a long-dead language. But virtualization means you can still run dead thingsJan 04 16:20
schestowitz__uploaded 100mb now, 58 mb to goJan 04 16:20
schestowitz__it'll take like 10 hours totalJan 04 16:21
schestowitz__COBOL is the exceptionJan 04 16:21
schestowitz__many things still in useJan 04 16:21
vZS1_2Not reallyJan 04 16:21
schestowitz__and relying on itJan 04 16:21
vZS1_2There's dead Java versionsJan 04 16:21
schestowitz__so ibm and others still train people and package thingsJan 04 16:21
vZS1_2Dead ALGOL versionsJan 04 16:21
vZS1_2Dead Pascal versionsJan 04 16:21
vZS1_2All still running fineJan 04 16:21
schestowitz__but not every language is like thisJan 04 16:21
schestowitz__freedosJan 04 16:22
schestowitz__scummvmJan 04 16:22
vZS1_2Vast swathes of the internet is held together by dead Perl versionsJan 04 16:23
scientesall pearls are deadJan 04 16:26
scientesvZS1_2, GNUCobol was just releasedJan 04 16:27
vZS1_2Nice propagandaJan 04 16:27
scientesand virtualization is not a answerJan 04 16:27
vZS1_2Perl is one of the most ubiquitous languages out in the wildJan 04 16:27
scientessome myths might say "its turtles all the way down" but that doesn't really work that wellJan 04 16:27
vZS1_2Forgot this joker is on my ignore list.Jan 04 16:28
scientesvZS1_2, people forget that virtual memory was once the form of virtualizationJan 04 16:29
scientesand now we are stuck with it as just another form of complexityJan 04 16:29
schestowitz__ 04 16:30
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scienteswhen The New Yorker covers CoreOS (which is not really maintained, there is a LWN article about the lack of maintinance of the Fedora CoreOS version) you know the cool-aid has some good LSD in itJan 04 16:30
scientes<scientes> which are all non-freeJan 04 16:59
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scientesMinceR, (cat) 04 17:07
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MinceR>:3Jan 04 17:08
vZS1_2schestowitz__: someone pointed out to me that the medical angle will be harder to appeal against.Jan 04 17:34
vZS1_2I don't know how true that is but it seems reasonable.Jan 04 17:34
schestowitz__yeah, but see section (3)Jan 04 17:34
schestowitz__or rather point (3) Jan 04 17:34
schestowitz__if his condition changes, what happens?Jan 04 17:35
vZS1_2Judge said "discharged"Jan 04 17:35
schestowitz__either way, he needs to flee 5EYESJan 04 17:35
vZS1_2That's (3)(a)Jan 04 17:35
schestowitz__they can kill him in the the streets or he can die like John LennonJan 04 17:35
schestowitz__they can also make new accusations against himJan 04 17:35
schestowitz__like the Sweden 'case'Jan 04 17:35
vZS1_2If Judge said "adjourned", it would be (3)(b)Jan 04 17:35
vZS1_2So he's off the hook, for nowJan 04 17:36
vZS1_2Possible. But I just wanted to mention what someone else told meJan 04 17:36
schestowitz__BTW, slack crashed for hoursJan 04 17:36
schestowitz__yay, clown computingJan 04 17:36
schestowitz__I suspect security incident (ANOTHER one) is possibleJan 04 17:37
vZS1_2"zero downtime"Jan 04 17:37
vZS1_2Whatever it isJan 04 17:37
schestowitz__would be chaotic when all those idiots who share passwords there pay the priceJan 04 17:37
vZS1_2It isn't "zero downtime"Jan 04 17:37
schestowitz__they still don't explain what happenedJan 04 17:37
schestowitz__when is the judgement implemented and Assange goes and walks free with his family?Jan 04 17:38
schestowitz__to see his kids and allJan 04 17:38
schestowitz__or maybe he wanted to visit a clinic firstJan 04 17:38
schestowitz__tbh, if I were him, take the NEXT available planeJan 04 17:38
schestowitz__and out of the bloody countryJan 04 17:38
schestowitz__somewhere like SwitzerlandJan 04 17:38
schestowitz__where there was political will to grant him asylumJan 04 17:39
schestowitz__and then hide them with help from the stateJan 04 17:39
schestowitz__the Swiss authorities don't take no s*** with CIA, based on some Snowden storiesJan 04 17:39
schestowitz__they tried to get a bankster drunk behind the wheel to blackmail himJan 04 17:39
vZS1_2Don't really know much about these rumoursJan 04 17:40
vZS1_2I'm happy we managed to find and put up the judgement documents on TRJan 04 17:41
vZS1_2The PDFs seem to be getting a lot of downloads from my IPFS nodeJan 04 17:41
vZS1_2I'll unpin them from my node later and see if they are pinned elsewhereJan 04 17:42
schestowitz__I am still waiting for my upload to finishJan 04 17:42
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I paid an attorney for a consultation.Jan 04 17:46
DaemonFC[m]I decided I'd rather go in there with some backup.Jan 04 17:46
DaemonFC[m]I hate dealing with lawyers.Jan 04 17:47
schestowitz__how many dollars per word uttered by that genius mouth?Jan 04 17:47
schestowitz__iirc, you can have a representative with youJan 04 17:47
DaemonFC[m]God knows. $150 for the consult. Her paralegal said flat fee depending on amount of work involved.Jan 04 17:47
schestowitz__and they are shielding you from unfair or trick questionsJan 04 17:47
DaemonFC[m]But the $150 gets applied to the fee if I hire her.Jan 04 17:48
schestowitz__I can consult for free ;-)Jan 04 17:48
DaemonFC[m]It's basically to stop people from wasting their time I guess.Jan 04 17:48
schestowitz__but I cannot sign legal documentsJan 04 17:48
schestowitz__didn't graduate from their glorified schoolJan 04 17:48
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Yeah, it's basically like paying a mercenary.Jan 04 17:48
DaemonFC[m]To protect you from an ambush during the "interview".Jan 04 17:48
MinceR   ( )Jan 04 17:48
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scientesMinceR, why does he have a post-card on his face?Jan 04 17:49
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: The paralegal says it might be better to request a new interview date, then have the attorney go over the I-864 we intend to file to make sure nothing gets fucked up, file it, and then have her go to the interview with us. I briefly described Maricel and she went "Uggghth.". I was like, "My sentiments exactly.".Jan 04 17:50
MinceRscientes: it's a respiratorJan 04 17:50
scientesMinceR, does he have asthma?Jan 04 17:50
MinceRprobably notJan 04 17:51
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: The upside is that the $1,200 stimulus check landed in our bank account.Jan 04 17:51
scientesmy glasses company now thinks I should buy fog-proof glassesJan 04 17:51
scientesinstead of just not be stupid and fog up my glassesJan 04 17:51
DaemonFC[m]So I'm guessing that will cover at least 50-60% of what I'm in for regarding the lawyer.Jan 04 17:51
DaemonFC[m]I went over it in my head. I was like, "Well, if the lawyer costs $2,000 or somewhere around that probably, and she saves us from this turning into a complete disaster involving deportation defense while Mandy loses his job.....".Jan 04 17:52
DaemonFC[m]The worst thing that could happen is it would have gone through anyway and I wasted money. But she might just be the difference that keeps our case from going totally sideways during the "interview".Jan 04 17:53
vZS1_2Good luck, DFC.Jan 04 17:55
DaemonFC[m]Thank you.Jan 04 18:02
MinceR 04 18:02
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DaemonFC[m]We're going to have to hit the ground running with this, but I think we can beat the bastards.Jan 04 18:02
DaemonFC[m]Mandy called it an "interrogation". I said, "You accidentally called it what it is.".Jan 04 18:03
schestowitz__vZS1_2: 04 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #slack issued another update 5 minutes ago, STILL refusing to name what the problem is (causing hours of downtime), so people should SUSPECT ANOTHER DATA BREACH (system compromise, as before) Jan 04 18:11
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schestowitz__can you, MinceR and others help investigate this?Jan 04 18:11
schestowitz__maybe some insider has already hinted or leaks out the root cause?Jan 04 18:11
schestowitz__we have a customer that uses shit (pronunciation of "slack")Jan 04 18:12
schestowitz__would be nice to have a good case for getting them off it and onto jabber or matrixJan 04 18:12
MinceRsomeone else mentioned that slack died as wellJan 04 18:12
XRevan86schestowitz__: I'm pretty sure it's pronounced SchlackeJan 04 18:13
schestowitz__it keeps dying for hours now and they DO NOT EXPLAIN WHYJan 04 18:13
schestowitz__Shalke FCJan 04 18:13
MinceRat 17:25 CET, they said slack died, their browser restarted and teams failed to connect properlyJan 04 18:13
schestowitz__SchalkeJan 04 18:13
DaemonFC[m]<scientes "my glasses company now thinks I "> Don't buy the extras unless they don't charge too much more for polycarbonate lenses.Jan 04 18:13
schestowitz__"Slack the fuck"Jan 04 18:13
DaemonFC[m]That one actually is worth the upgrade if you can get it for not too much money.Jan 04 18:13
DaemonFC[m]Oh, I forget, he says he ignored me.Jan 04 18:13
schestowitz__it was down maybe 3 hours agoJan 04 18:14
schestowitz__and still isn't working properly, and they never say whyJan 04 18:14
schestowitz__ 04 18:14
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schestowitz__they say they investigateJan 04 18:14
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, I learned the ins and outs of eyeglasses. The only real upside with Zenni is that you get the eyeglasses cheaply, so when you do end up fucking them up, they don't cost much to replace.Jan 04 18:14
schestowitz__as if to say they don't know what's going onJan 04 18:14
schestowitz__unless there's a system-wide intrusionJan 04 18:14
DaemonFC[m]The frames at Walmart are made better, but you'll probably pay 4-5 times as much for them.Jan 04 18:15
schestowitz__and maybe they shut things down intentionallyJan 04 18:15
schestowitz__they had data breaches before 04 18:15
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DaemonFC[m]By the time you destroy a pair of Zennis, you can just replace them and still be money ahead.Jan 04 18:15
DaemonFC[m]And any outfit operated by Luxottica is going to be 4 times as expensive as Walmart.Jan 04 18:16
DaemonFC[m]They cater to the Maricels who go oh sure $8,000 for eyeglasses for the family because it's only money.Jan 04 18:16
DaemonFC[m]The ridiculous thing about her freaking out and hiring a lawyer to undo her support affidavit is that she presumed that we wouldn't agree to go over whatever it was she was talking about and see what was reasonable.Jan 04 18:17
DaemonFC[m]She came to this ridiculous amount of money that far exceeded anything his schooling cost (which I think she should have credited him all the cleaning and snow shoveling and whatnot they had him doing on the house and didn't consider that he was handing her all his money from a small job his visa allowed on campus that she screamed at him to quit because "It didn't pay enough.").Jan 04 18:18
DaemonFC[m]It's never enough. No matter what you do for her, it's never enough.Jan 04 18:18
DaemonFC[m]She just flat out demanded all of his Walmart money. An amount that would have caused our household to collapse and then she'd get nothing anyway.Jan 04 18:19
DaemonFC[m]Just terible.Jan 04 18:19
DaemonFC[m]They were in Spain on vacation screaming at him through the security intercom because he took a five minute break from cleaning to their standards to get a cup of water.Jan 04 18:20
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: If this was another time and place anyone who saw her would say demonic possession. I say paranoid schizophrenia with comorbid bipolar mania.Jan 04 18:20
schestowitz__why are we talking gossip?Jan 04 18:21
DaemonFC[m]Worst case I've ever seen with the exception that she can put enough of a lid on it in public to remain functional at work.Jan 04 18:21
schestowitz__better to focus on tech hereJan 04 18:21
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: If we ever get out of this I'm going to sign up for one of those psychology courses at the local university.Jan 04 18:21
DaemonFC[m]They were advertising some fee reduced scale for people of my income.Jan 04 18:22
DaemonFC[m]If I had the money to swing it as a hobby I'd probably take it. I mean the worst thing that happens is I get an associates degree and jobs open up that don't necessarily pertain to that, but require a two year degree because the economy is bad.Jan 04 18:23
DaemonFC[m]I was telling John I'd love to be a conductor on the Metra train. They make great money and you get to ride a freaking train all day, which is just gravy really.Jan 04 18:23
schestowitz__can we talk about tech?Jan 04 18:28
schestowitz__like the downtime of shit?Jan 04 18:28
schestowitz__Going to work on some leaks now. Anybody want to help? DaemonFC?Jan 04 18:33
schestowitz__This one is about LinuxJan 04 18:33
DaemonFC[m]YeahJan 04 18:34
schestowitz__you can add your remarks if you wishJan 04 18:34
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schestowitz__I have loads of stuff in the trobveJan 04 18:34
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DaemonFC[m]I'm waiting for documents to upload to my Google Drive anyway.Jan 04 18:34
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: 04 18:34
DaemonFC[m]Quick and dirty because COVID.Jan 04 18:34
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schestowitz__thoughts?Jan 04 18:34
schestowitz__"Jan 04 18:35
schestowitz__> file still 22mb after compression.Jan 04 18:35
schestowitz__Hi,Jan 04 18:35
schestowitz__I received 3 xxxxxx from you.Jan 04 18:35
schestowitz__one 10kbJan 04 18:35
schestowitz__one 200kJan 04 18:35
schestowitz__one 1MBJan 04 18:35
schestowitz__Was one more missing?Jan 04 18:35
schestowitz__Hi. I believe this is correct. Jan 04 18:35
schestowitz__Did you receive multiple images or no? Should have been about 8 images.Jan 04 18:35
schestowitz__"Jan 04 18:35
schestowitz__we have about 10 more parts to publishJan 04 18:35
schestowitz__it's lockdown here, so time if not an issueJan 04 18:35
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DaemonFC[m]Looks like whatever they're building is remarkably fragile and they're bringing a Windows mentality to Linux where you should pay consultants to work on a program targeting already-rotten software as if it will never become unsupported.Jan 04 18:36
schestowitz__I will quote youJan 04 18:37
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is still fostering this mindset with LTSC versions of Windows 10, which are quite different than consumer ones. Companies are so resistant to change that even the built-in components that are being deprecated and removed in favor of Universal Windows Platform on other SKUs still have the legacy components in LTSC. Even the calculator.Jan 04 18:37
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DaemonFC[m]Because you move even the smallest thing around, and something breaks.Jan 04 18:38
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DaemonFC[m]LTSC doesn't even have UWP, so the name is misleading. If you build a Universal Windows App, it will not work at all on Windows 10 LTSC.Jan 04 18:38
schestowitz__"Looks like whatever they're building is remarkably fragile and they're bringing a Windows mentality to Linux where you should pay consultants to work on a program targeting already-rotten software as if it will never become unsupported," Ryan noted in IRC some moments ago.Jan 04 18:39
schestowitz__But wait, it's going to get worse as we dive yet deeper. They not only adopt a "Windows mentality"; they wish to outsource the whole shebang to Microsoft.Jan 04 18:39
schestowitz__Sometimes you must wonder <em>why</em> companies insist on outsourcing to Microsoft (GitHub), perhaps forgetting that many important decisions aren't being made by geeks with a clue but by clueless nontechnical managers and so-called 'consultants' who may be covertly working for cults such as Microsoft.Jan 04 18:39
DaemonFC[m]Which is because the UWP runtime and the Windows store are trash and corporations know that.Jan 04 18:39
DaemonFC[m]The Win32 "Classic" API is actually far more capable, and Microsoft doesn't want to admit it.Jan 04 18:39
schestowitz__addedJan 04 18:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I don't know if you noticed this or not, but Microsoft has a UX job open.Jan 04 18:40
DaemonFC[m]They're hiring for a major renovation to the Windows UI and they want to "send the message that 'WINDOWS IS BACK!'" according to the listing.Jan 04 18:41
schestowitz__dx=dev experienceJan 04 18:44
schestowitz__let me show another:Jan 04 18:44
schestowitz__ 04 18:44
schestowitz__thoughts?Jan 04 18:44
MinceRthe censorship bar is a bit too low :>Jan 04 18:46
MinceRalso, what does DX stand for?Jan 04 18:46
schestowitz__I know it lowJan 04 18:47
schestowitz__but it's enough to obscure the namesJan 04 18:47
schestowitz__their length might be guessable based on length regardlessJan 04 18:47
schestowitz__MinceR: [18:44] <schestowitz__> dx=dev experienceJan 04 18:47
MinceRicJan 04 18:47
schestowitz__I wass going to do a videoJan 04 18:48
MinceRif someone knows the font, they might be able to figure more out based on the parts that stick outJan 04 18:48
schestowitz__but my upload speed is about 10 MB PER HOURJan 04 18:48
schestowitz__so even a short video would take hoursJan 04 18:48
schestowitz__MinceR: let them guessJan 04 18:48
schestowitz__I might released unredacted at the endJan 04 18:48
schestowitz__for completenessJan 04 18:48
schestowitz__as PDF or something elseJan 04 18:48
schestowitz__depending on some factorsJan 04 18:49
schestowitz__like response from Intel apologists and shillsJan 04 18:49
DaemonFC[m]Maddox (George Ouzounian) (spelling?) mentioned diversity in the workplace, contemptuously, over a decade an a half ago.Jan 04 18:53
psydroidwhy would they throttle your home upload connection, if you are only using that for documents? do you think it's a deliberate action, because they figured out you are spreading techrights information from home?Jan 04 18:53
DaemonFC[m]Mockingly, well ahead of CoCs.Jan 04 18:53
psydroidGeorge Ou from ZDNet?Jan 04 18:54
DaemonFC[m]"Diverse ideas only come from people who look different!"Jan 04 18:54
DaemonFC[m]No, famous internet troll with a blog.Jan 04 18:54
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schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: have a lookJan 04 18:55
schestowitz__I am skipping many slides Jan 04 18:55
schestowitz__for concision purposesJan 04 18:55
psydroidIntel will always be strategically aligned with Microsoft, even if both companies go into steep declineJan 04 19:00
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: I kept it shotJan 04 19:00
schestowitz__shortJan 04 19:00
schestowitz__want to proofread?Jan 04 19:00
schestowitz__we publish in bite-sized chunksJan 04 19:01
schestowitz__will make it easier to connect and separate parts of exhibitsJan 04 19:01
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: will post if you are ready to pounce and checkJan 04 19:01
schestowitz__psydroid: maybe you can check alsoJan 04 19:01
schestowitz__I think at the end I will release al materialJan 04 19:01
schestowitz__hundreds of pagesJan 04 19:01
schestowitz__but they merit commentary first, document dumps have little impact because they take ages to digestJan 04 19:02
schestowitz__I was planning to do videos today, but connection farrr too slow... taking over 12 hours already just to upload the first and it's not finished yetJan 04 19:02
DaemonFC[m]I'm ready.Jan 04 19:05
DaemonFC[m]Just emailed a bunch of stuff to the attorney.Jan 04 19:05
DaemonFC[m]Waiting to hear back from her probably at 3 PM.Jan 04 19:05
schestowitz__Okay, GO: 04 19:05
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psydroidschestowitz, I am available nowJan 04 19:05
DaemonFC[m]So I'll be on a conference call with her and her paralegal for a while.Jan 04 19:05
*schestowitz__ will release some of the more damning/incriminating parts first, later shows further details and dump the originals to avoid occlusion of contextJan 04 19:06
schestowitz__psydroid: see if you can catch errorsJan 04 19:06
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Might note that Windows Store was on the verge of failing completely, filled with fake, fraudulent, and misleading apps that would be removed as violating Apple's quality standards, until Microsoft made it so that developers could take a plain old Win32 desktop app, with basically no changes, put it in an AppX package, and host it in the store. So there are some real applications now, but they mostlyJan 04 19:10
DaemonFC[m]ignore the UWP APIs completely, and they can miss important features. For example, VLC is there and can't play DVD or Blu Ray discs, and foobar2000 is there, but you can't add your own components to it, which is like 90% of the reason you'd use it.Jan 04 19:10
schestowitz__I saw KDE numbers for their storeJan 04 19:11
schestowitz__patheticJan 04 19:11
schestowitz__like, top might be krita and kateJan 04 19:11
schestowitz__at maybe 50k usersJan 04 19:11
schestowitz__and they used to joke nobody uses linuxJan 04 19:11
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: do we need to mention Store in the article?Jan 04 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, some KDE applications are in the Windows Store. They suggest making a donation, but if you do it that way then Microsoft will take 30% of the donation away from them. Since the application is completely functional either way, if you want all of the money to go to KDE you should donate directly to KDE through their website.Jan 04 19:12
schestowitz__I could add a footnoteJan 04 19:12
schestowitz__if you think it is importantJan 04 19:12
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: monopoly rentsJan 04 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Maybe in the context of Microsoft tending to pollute Windows with a bunch of garbage that literally nobody wants to use, let alone developers. Jan 04 19:13
schestowitz__anyway, I'd rather now shift attention to this other issueJan 04 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Then they talk of "developer experience".Jan 04 19:13
schestowitz__will add to notes for future parts, maybe..Jan 04 19:13
schestowitz__thanksJan 04 19:13
psydroidit's not just that, KDE makes it hard to install stable versions of applications on Windows without the store, so you can usually only install nightliesJan 04 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Even the real applications in their store. You ask the developer "Why put crippleware in the store?" and they go "Some people use Windows 10 in S Mode.".Jan 04 19:13
schestowitz__seems like waste of dev effortJan 04 19:14
schestowitz__as I often tell themJan 04 19:14
DaemonFC[m]If you want the real, full, application, you have to bypass the store and go directly to the developer.Jan 04 19:14
schestowitz__most things they compile for win/store only get a few thousands active usersJan 04 19:14
DaemonFC[m]It's crazy. It's idiotic.Jan 04 19:14
schestowitz__worth the effort?Jan 04 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft's own policies on the Store are killing their own store.Jan 04 19:14
schestowitz__they shut down their PHYSICaL storesJan 04 19:14
DaemonFC[m]It's also pressuring people to give up and escape from S Mode because they can't actually use their computer if they don't.Jan 04 19:15
schestowitz__why not do the same with virtual ones?Jan 04 19:15
schestowitz__anyway, on to next article now..Jan 04 19:15
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz__ "worth the effort?"> No, it's not. The whole idea of Windows Store has failed badly.Jan 04 19:15
DaemonFC[m]If Microsoft had been more supportive and flexible, who knows?Jan 04 19:16
DaemonFC[m]But the web is instead littered with developers recommending leaving S Mode so you can use their real application, not the Store version that doesn't have various features, or isn't allowed at all (like Firefox and Chrome).Jan 04 19:16
psydroidas for Intel I have seen them insert x86 assembly code into an xorg driver from one release to another so it would stop building on non-x86 architecturesJan 04 19:17
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft, early on, banished other web browsers from their store. Their policies don't work, the restrictions don't work, because they have no clout. They're trying to spend Disney Bucks at Caesar's Palace, like Rick said in Rick & Morty.Jan 04 19:17
psydroiduntil now it wouldn't matter because only integrated graphics have been available, but imagine them doing this kind of thing with their new discrete GPUs available on PCIE cardsJan 04 19:18
schestowitz__cheersJan 04 19:18
schestowitz__will mention in future partsJan 04 19:18
schestowitz__we have lots to showJan 04 19:18
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schestowitz__about their love of microsoftJan 04 19:19
schestowitz__hi jose__Jan 04 19:19
jose__hi there!Jan 04 19:19
DaemonFC[m]I think that Intel entering the market with GPUs is a good thing for the market. It's a duopoly right now where only AMD and Nvidia compete in the discrete GPU segment, and they only have to be good enough to try to outsell the other one, and Nvidia will never release an open source driver.Jan 04 19:19
psydroidso I would say Intel has been doing the Intel <3 Linux for longer than MS has been doing, but was just not seen as that, because the company was the so-called darling of the Linux worldJan 04 19:19
schestowitz__LF and OSDL fundingJan 04 19:20
schestowitz__for PRJan 04 19:20
schestowitz__and for openwashingJan 04 19:20
DaemonFC[m]More vendors means more choices. More choices mean better products and more competitive pricing, in theory.Jan 04 19:20
schestowitz__They had hired HondahlJan 04 19:20
schestowitz__before the GPL violators at vmware snatched him to lie for them, insteadJan 04 19:20
schestowitz__DirkJan 04 19:20
schestowitz__dreckJan 04 19:20
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft's endgame is always that after they defeat the competition, they slink back into the comfortable spot of barely supporting that product, firing 90% of the developers, and letting it stagnate into another rotten mess full of security holes.Jan 04 19:21
DaemonFC[m]Internet Explorer 6 went on for more than half a decade before a new version was out....with tabs and some minor improvements to CSS.Jan 04 19:21
DaemonFC[m]IE 7 very much still went along with their previously stated policy of delivering new version with new versions of Windows, and making only small changes.Jan 04 19:22
DaemonFC[m]They misread what the users of web browsers wanted. They figured "Oh they want tabs. We'll give them Internet Explorer with tabs. That'll shut 'em up!".Jan 04 19:23
schestowitz__I have another article readyJan 04 19:24
DaemonFC[m]For years, they told people on the inside who were asked about tabs that you didn't need tabs because the Windows shell would eventually group the windows.Jan 04 19:24
schestowitz__if you don't mind ready quickly to catch typosJan 04 19:24
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Jan 04 19:24
schestowitz__ 04 19:24
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DaemonFC[m]can’t change and barely ever change at allJan 04 19:25
DaemonFC[m]cant change,Jan 04 19:25
DaemonFC[m]Or, as Dave Lane put it mny times beforeJan 04 19:26
DaemonFC[m]manyJan 04 19:26
DaemonFC[m]Either way, let’s consider for a moment what’s shown in this new but belated (by a whole month) postJan 04 19:27
DaemonFC[m]new, albeit belated post, whichJan 04 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Still reading.....Jan 04 19:31
DaemonFC[m]On the call with the lawyer, I might ask her to petition USCIS for a delay.Jan 04 19:31
DaemonFC[m]If we can kick the can several months, it gives more of this Trump bullshit time to go away, anyway.Jan 04 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Plus, it's several more months with Mandy where they can't do anything about it.Jan 04 19:32
DaemonFC[m]EMH: Please state the nature of the medical emergency.Jan 04 19:32
DaemonFC[m]Dr. Crusher: 20 Borg are about to break through that door!Jan 04 19:32
DaemonFC[m]EMH: I'm a doctor not a doorstop. What do you want me to do?Jan 04 19:33
DaemonFC[m]Crusher: I don't know. Do a dance. Tell a story. Stall them!Jan 04 19:33
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DaemonFC[m]So it’s as sort of second-hand account.Jan 04 19:34
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: a secondhand accountJan 04 19:35
schestowitz__i find some more minor typosJan 04 19:35
schestowitz__didn't know secondhand was OK as one wordJan 04 19:35
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. Jan 04 19:36
DaemonFC[m]Maybe it oughtn’t be so shocking and here are some portions of the long text:Jan 04 19:36
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DaemonFC[m]"Maybe it shouldn't be so shocking. Here are some portions of the long text:"Jan 04 19:36
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DaemonFC[m]biggybacking?Jan 04 19:37
DaemonFC[m]piggybackingJan 04 19:37
schestowitz__ahJan 04 19:39
schestowitz__evades meJan 04 19:39
schestowitz__big pig that one...Jan 04 19:39
DaemonFC[m]I looked up this attorney's office location.Jan 04 19:39
DaemonFC[m]Only about a mile from where I lived with John in Rogers Park.Jan 04 19:39
DaemonFC[m]Went to Loyola law school, passed the bar in 1993. 100% immigration. No reprimands.Jan 04 19:40
DaemonFC[m]Most of her former clients that left a review gave good ones.Jan 04 19:40
DaemonFC[m]I shudder to even think about what this is going to cost. Jan 04 19:41
DaemonFC[m] 04 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-There were 18 attempted calls from the White House to GA secretary of state's office, sources say - CNNPoliticsJan 04 19:43
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Maricel got a job at the White House I guess. Who knew?Jan 04 19:43
DaemonFC[m]The Georgia Secretary of State has stopped taking calls from Trump.Jan 04 19:44
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DaemonFC[m]"Someone scrawled: "Were's [sic] my money?" on the front door of Mitch McConnell's house in Louisville, KY. That is apparently a reference to the $2,000 stimulus payment that Donald Trump called for and McConnell killed. Louisville police said that they don't have a suspect, since "person who doesn't like Mitch McConnell" doesn't really narrow it down too much."Jan 04 19:46
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MinceRlolJan 04 20:10
DaemonFC[m]Meeting with the lawyer on the phone in an hour.Jan 04 20:11
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, just having a lawyer in the room puts the immigration officer on defense. They'll probably make sure to behave themselves and document all of their findings with relevant law. Jan 04 20:11
DaemonFC[m]That's worth...something.Jan 04 20:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - OnJan 04 22:21
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DaemonFC[m]I doubt anyone will appreciate the disruptions that DMCA abuse and Microsoft potentially giving up on GitHub at some future date will bring to their project, but it probably won't be a problem this week or next month.Jan 04 23:18
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft already had a code hosting site, but nobody was going to that one so they bought one that already had people using it.Jan 04 23:18
MinceRand yet people still started using ShitHub even after the redmond mafia bought itJan 04 23:22
MinceRhuman intelligence has degraded since codeplex failedJan 04 23:22
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