IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, January 04, 2021

schestowitz__

yeah

schestowitz__

you can find clues in posts from friends of his

schestowitz__

the lawyers have been negotiating the outcome, I've heard from one of them

vZS1

I don't really know much about the details. I'm relying on TR for coverage.

Jan 04 00:13

schestowitz__

they should send him away... to Australia

vZS1

He needs the sun

https://kushaldas.in/posts/introducing-tumpa-to-make-openpgp-simple-with-smartcards.html

schestowitz__

vZS1

Would be good for him

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Introducing Tumpa, to make OpenPGP simple with smartcards

schestowitz__

he used to hand out here, IIRC

schestowitz__

*hang

http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/

schestowitz__

yubikey

Jan 04 00:17

vZS1

> yubikey

Jan 04 00:17

vZS1

BS, in other words.

Jan 04 00:17

schestowitz__

glorified plastic

Jan 04 00:18

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights

https://stop.zona-m.net/2020/12/really-smart-cities-help-their-stores-to-go-dark/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Really smart cities help their stores to go Dark | Stop at Zona-M

schestowitz__

"The OpenPGP operations are possible due to the amazing Sequoia project." https://kushaldas.in/posts/introducing-tumpa-to-make-openpgp-simple-with-smartcards.html

Jan 04 00:22

vZS1

Just another Yubico plug

Jan 04 00:25

vZS1

Move on

Jan 04 00:25

vZS1

At least Sequoia got a mention

Jan 04 00:25

schestowitz__

as if privacy is something you buy at a store

schestowitz__

with cardboard and foam and a paper manual

schestowitz__

and a high price point

schestowitz__

someone bought me Entropy Key for xmas a decade back

vZS1

It must be good

Jan 04 00:28

vZS1

It has "smart" in its name!

Jan 04 00:28

MinceR

Jan 04 00:28

schestowitz__

smartCAD

Jan 04 00:32

schestowitz__

not only designs, builds your home too

Jan 04 00:33

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Jan 04 00:38

schestowitz__

"Or, what you can learn about privacy from Soviet weapon’s philosophy." https://stop.zona-m.net/2020/12/sometimes-the-best-data-are-those-that-do-not-exist/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Sometimes the best data are those that do not exist | Stop at Zona-M

http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9908

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Chinese Translators Team - News: 2020 summary [Savannah]

schestowitz__

gnu in china

schestowitz__

going strong

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Jan 04 01:16

schestowitz__

hi, Soe

Jan 04 01:19

Soe

hello

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Jan 04 01:36

schestowitz__

vZS1: just in:

https://latesthackingnews.com/2021/01/03/new-golang-worm-targets-windows-and-linux-systems-to-mine-monero/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latesthackingnews.com | New Golang Worm Targets Windows And Linux Systems To Mine Monero

schestowitz__

more monero FUD

schestowitz__

no connection to monero

http://techrights.org/2021/01/01/security-parity-fud/

schestowitz__

or even linux

Jan 04 01:39

schestowitz__

yet this crap circulates

Jan 04 01:39

vZS1

I've seen that already

Jan 04 01:40

vZS1

Note that this is also Golang FUD

Jan 04 01:41

schestowitz__

I mention in the new video about it

Jan 04 01:41

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Here Comes Again the False Parity (Comparing GNU/Linux Security to That of Platforms With NSA Back Doors) | Techrights

vZS1

Stinks of MS propaganda

schestowitz__

i'm amazed at how fast the site became

schestowitz__

Ariadne: you're a STAR

https://www.explica.co/arm-released-a-new-processor-for-windows-10-and-competes-with-intel/

psydroid

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.explica.co | ARM released a new processor for Windows 10 and competes with Intel – Latest News, Breaking News, Top News Headlines

https://www.arm.com/products/silicon-ip-cpu/cortex-a/cortex-a78c

psydroid

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cortex-A78C – Arm

psydroid

Windows isn't even mentioned there

psydroid

so they are inventing things that do not exist

schestowitz__

it's a fake site

schestowitz__

explica is spam site

schestowitz__

plagiarism

schestowitz__

never link to it

schestowitz__

rogue Google News somehow got tricked into showing it

Jan 04 01:47

psydroid

I'm really starting to wonder about the size of these operations to fill the web with untruths and misinformation to keep people away from the little actual information that is still out there

schestowitz__

this is what they are FOR

schestowitz__

the www is a dying pos

schestowitz__

maybe it was always this bad

https://www.techradar.com/news/hackers-are-abusing-a-disputed-vulnerability-to-launch-attacks-on-linux-machines

schestowitz__

unsavoury sites

Jan 04 01:51

schestowitz__

but now more concentrated and with extra censorship

Jan 04 01:51

vZS1

The web is like a sewer. Because everyone uses it you are forced to basically publish on it (basically flushing good stuff down the toilet). So we end up needing to swim through sewage to find the good stuff

Jan 04 01:55

psydroid

I wish people would use their RPis for creating a global decentralised vault of information hosted on IPFS as a big middle finger to those malicious companies that control the direction of the web

Jan 04 01:55

psydroid

in the end that is also the only thing we can rely on with staying power, because you can't control what isn't yours

Jan 04 01:56

vZS1

psydroid: it's already happening. The Catalan independence referendum was carried out only because of IPFS. Spanish government was censoring all the referendum information.

Jan 04 01:56

vZS1

They couldn't take down all the IPFS nodes because you can't censor the internet (:

Jan 04 01:57

schestowitz__

Jan 04 02:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackers are abusing a disputed vulnerability to launch attacks on Linux machines | TechRadar

Jan 04 02:00

schestowitz__

"linux"

Jan 04 02:00

schestowitz__

https://bkhome.org/news/202101/ordered-usb-type-c-to-55x21mm-adapter.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Ordered USB Type-C to 5.5x2.1mm adapter

schestowitz__

weird thing to post about

psydroid

Visca Catalunya i IPFS :)

schestowitz__

"...expected delivery by end of month. "

schestowitz__

[01:55] <vZS1> The web is like a sewer. Because everyone uses it you are forced to basically publish on it (basically flushing good stuff down the toilet). So we end up needing to swim through sewage to find the good stuff

schestowitz__

follow the capital

schestowitz__

and then you know why there has been so much spam about teams (Skype/Microsoft) for 'Linux'

schestowitz__

and 'Edge'

schestowitz__

it's worth than you put it

schestowitz__

the problem is not "everyone uses it"

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schestowitz__

The problem is deep-pocketed crooks flooding it

schestowitz__

and capital buys them visibility

schestowitz__

Not a case of "just happens"

schestowitz__

or "reflection of society at large"

schestowitz__

rather abuse by oligarchy and corporations

schestowitz__

they take control of and distort the WWW at many levels

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah. Almost all independent news, gone.

psydroid

what are they going to do about the move towards decentralisation of everything that is done on the internet?

DaemonFC[m]

People used to make their own website with simple HTML and links, even if it was on a free hosting platform.

MinceR

maybe they'll decide that it's "insecure", "dangerous" and/or "fake news" if people get to run their own sites

DaemonFC[m]

Now it's "Facebook", deciding if you're even allowed to post something with copyright "AI" and automods that kill off any left-wing groups and say someone anonymously reported them for something.

MinceR

maybe major browsers will give you big red warning screens if you try to use a site that isn't on their whitelist

MinceR

oh wait, they call it "allowlist"

MinceR

because colors are racism now

DaemonFC[m]

That's where things already are.

CrystalMath

not really, i go to weird websites all the time

CrystalMath

obscure stuff

DaemonFC[m]

Let's Encrypt was a ruse so that browsers go to red alert if you try to go read something that didn't apply for a certificate.

CrystalMath

i actively research them

CrystalMath

eh? maybe chrome

CrystalMath

firefox is fine with http

vZS1

Let's Encrypt is a ploy to reveal the location of a service.

schestowitz__

aha

schestowitz__

good point

schestowitz__

never thought of it from that pov

schestowitz__

the "trusted" web

schestowitz__

who by?

schestowitz__

a microsoft shit-hub-hosted project

schestowitz__

letsencrypt even outsourced its WEB SITE to Microsoft

schestowitz__

so much for trust

schestowitz__

PRISM/proprietary

MinceR

how does LE find out the location of a service?

schestowitz__

and don't even mention the solarwind mess

vZS1

You need to do a challenge to validate your TLS certs.

Jan 04 02:11

vZS1

Your IP is obviously revealed in that challenge

Jan 04 02:11

MinceR

can't you just do that challenge from the web server?

Jan 04 02:12

vZS1

That's what I'm trying to say. They know where the data is coming from

Jan 04 02:12

MinceR

they could just query the domain name of the site to get the same information

Jan 04 02:12

vZS1

It just makes surveillance a bit easier for them. You are the one doing all the hard work

Jan 04 02:14

MinceR

notifying them that there's a new site being set up?

Jan 04 02:14

vZS1

Yeah

Jan 04 02:15

MinceR

i see

Jan 04 02:15

vZS1

So you're essentially filling out a survey for them every time you validate a TLS cert

Jan 04 02:16

schestowitz__

phoronix is struggling and this is no way out of the struggle :/ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Windows-10-Easier-WSL-Install

Jan 04 02:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's Now Even Easier Setting Up Windows Subsystem For Linux On Windows 10 - Phoronix

Jan 04 02:18

schestowitz__

just showed up in google news search

Jan 04 02:18

schestowitz__

[rant]

schestowitz__

(sorry)

schestowitz__

every week now, for the past few years, I look for EPO news

schestowitz__

EPO is a widely used acronym

schestowitz__

means many things

schestowitz__

I won't go into all the possibilities

schestowitz__

I need to filter to find the patent sets

schestowitz__

but

schestowitz__

many of the results that come up are SEO-spammed corporate media

schestowitz__

that violates EU law

schestowitz__

namely GDPR

schestowitz__

so google feeds to me results with sites I cannot access

schestowitz__

they block me to avoid breaking the law

schestowitz__

that aside,

schestowitz__

what's then left of "EPO" news

schestowitz__

is just lawyers' marketing

schestowitz__

in 2019 I dropped search for "software patents" news after about 12-15 years

schestowitz__

somewhere in between

schestowitz__

the reason was,

schestowitz__

google news was mostly spam

schestowitz__

by mostly I mean, it was approaching 80%

schestowitz__

so you swim through spam

MinceR

you can get around those blocks using Tor and proxies

MinceR

oh, and VPN

schestowitz__

to maybe find signal once in a few minutes

schestowitz__

this is untenable

schestowitz__

maybe it's time to just delete all of google news for patent-related stuff?

schestowitz__

MinceR: but I would not wish to think link to those 'articles'

vZS1

That's why there's E.E.E. happening to Tor

schestowitz__

neither in tr or social control media

schestowitz__

1) epo staff is usually eu-based

MinceR

well, the point of things like google news is to help you find/filter stuff

MinceR

if it isn't helping you, there's no point in using it

schestowitz__

so I'd give them reference to illegal (by EU law) sites

MinceR

schestowitz__

and in social control media I'd reward malicious sites

schestowitz__

I think I'll just delete this feed

schestowitz__

"goodbye"

schestowitz__

google news is the only google thing I still use

schestowitz__

for tuxmachines mostly

schestowitz__

deleted

schestowitz__

done, this will give me more time for other things

schestowitz__

I just need to find more rss feeds in sites that cover those topics

schestowitz__

seeing there's no real journalism left about EPO anyway

schestowitz__

just puff pieces and law firms' marketing pitch

schestowitz__

disguised as 'analysis'

schestowitz__

but many sites lack working rss feeds

schestowitz__

how very sad

schestowitz__

google news killed many good services

schestowitz__

like technorati

schestowitz__

whose founder ended up working for mozilla to pay his bills

schestowitz__

and now there's no competition left for this spammy, spying shite

schestowitz__

which they barely maintain

schestowitz__

psydroid cited one plagiarism site they boost a lot

schestowitz__

a rogue operation

schestowitz__

so google news can be amplifier of corporate spam, wrapped up as 'news'

schestowitz__

akin to twitter and fb

schestowitz__

deranking blogs

schestowitz__

boosting oligarchs' lies

schestowitz__

[end rant]

schestowitz__

bbl

*schestowitz__ works on ipfs scripts for a bit

Jan 04 02:29

vZS1

There's a reason why the big Ad companies hate RSS

Jan 04 02:29

vZS1

It's antithetical to their business model

Jan 04 02:29

schestowitz__

/me will improve clarity and partitioning in http://techrights.org/ipfs/

Jan 04 02:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index

Jan 04 02:30

vZS1

When people are in control of what they see, they can't have things shoved into their feeds without their consent

Jan 04 02:31

*schestowitz__ nods

Jan 04 02:31

schestowitz__

need advice

Jan 04 02:36

schestowitz__

vZS1: how would you detect blocks with common patterns reliably or ask ipfs to do so itself?

Jan 04 02:36

schestowitz__

example: dear ipfs, please present me a link of all blocks with the following pattern, e.g. with grep

schestowitz__

without having to run ipfs commands many times, each time with a different search pattern

schestowitz__

iow, ipfs pin ls (some regular expression passed to ipfs, not | grep something)

vZS1

I don't know what you mean by "detect blocks with common patterns"

schestowitz__

I want to tell ipfs

schestowitz__

give me all objects match $THIS pattern

Jan 04 02:38

schestowitz__

but not others

Jan 04 02:38

schestowitz__

to avoid having to run the same command many times although it can be cached in file or variable in bash

Jan 04 02:38

vZS1

Do you mean blocks or CIDs?

Jan 04 02:39

schestowitz__

for text-only index we don't want any headlines in between, but for html a split would make legibility better

Jan 04 02:39

schestowitz__

CIDs

Jan 04 02:39

vZS1

I don't see what you'd achieve by that because they're made up from hashes.

XRevan86

vZS1: DNS is a ploy to reveal the location of a service.

schestowitz__

ipfs add ~/tr_text_version/* | sed -e 's/added /\<tr\>\<td class="ipfs-cid"\>\<code\>/' | sed -e 's/ irc-/<\/code\><\/td\> \<td class="description-ipfs"\>irc-/' | sed -e 's/ techrights-/<\/code\><\/td\> \<td class="description-ipfs"\>techrights-/' | sed -e 's/.txt/ <b\>TEXT<\/b\> (daily IRC log\/bulletin)<\/tr>/' | sed -e 's/.html/\ <b\>HTML<\/b\> (full IRC log)<\/tr>/' >> index.html

XRevan86

You need to do a nameserver lookup to access a host. Host's IP is obviously revealed in that lookup.

schestowitz__

I suppose I could colour the rows

Jan 04 02:42

schestowitz__

but that would look rather cheesy

Jan 04 02:42

schestowitz__

cron job has just successfully generated http://techrights.org/txt/

Jan 04 02:42

vZS1

You don't need to constantly fill out forms that reveal other operational details with DNS, unlike LE. I know how the internet works

Jan 04 02:43

XRevan86

vZS1: What forms do you fill in with LE?

Jan 04 02:44

vZS1

A LE challenge is a form in disguise

Jan 04 02:44

XRevan86

vZS1: Is reverse DNS a form in disguise?

Jan 04 02:45

vZS1

Yes it is

Jan 04 02:45

vZS1

But it's not as malicious in intent as an LE challenge

XRevan86

vZS1: It has literally the same intent.

vZS1

DNS is erosion of internet freedom

vZS1

It's monopolised

vZS1

And abused

vZS1

Just like email

vZS1

Try running your own DNS server and see how far you get

vZS1

Or email server

XRevan86

So I guess you agree with my DNS analogy.

MinceR

there are some attempts to run independent DNS

XRevan86

MinceR: It's a ploy.

schestowitz__

LE is a ploy

MinceR

like OpenNIC

schestowitz__

but maybe in another realm

XRevan86

there are some attempts to run independent ACME

schestowitz__

the privacy aspect is the lesser one

schestowitz__

you can't really know what goes on behind the scenes at LE

vZS1

They're both ploys to consolidate control into a few "trusted" bodies

schestowitz__

and you give them lots of CONTROL

schestowitz__

"Free certs"

schestowitz__

just give us the power

schestowitz__

over your services, e.g. sitess

vZS1

The point is they keep the monopoly alive

XRevan86

schestowitz__: It's not just lesser, it's nonexistent, vZS1's argument is ludicrous.

schestowitz__

bad exchange

schestowitz__

"free certs"

schestowitz__

like the ones Shuttleworth gave

XRevan86

A public service exposes its IP addresses by default.

schestowitz__

in exchange for this 'free' nonsense

schestowitz__

some bits and bytes you lose some control over whether people can and cannot access/use your services

schestowitz__

vZS1: I am looking at ipfs -h manual

vZS1

You don't send a form to a third party when you run a non-LE site

XRevan86

So vZS1 makes an argument that Let's Encrypt harvests data that is already completely public.

schestowitz__

I cannot find a way to list with extra details currently pinned objects

schestowitz__

pin ls gives a crude list

schestowitz__

w/o file system references/FS location

schestowitz__

I want to better sort the output

schestowitz__

then cluster it

vZS1

> So vZS1 makes an argument that Let's Encrypt harvests data that is already completely public.

schestowitz__

for http://techrights.org/ipfs/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index

vZS1

You fail to mention the other part. That you help LE spy on your other operational details like which HTTP suite you use

vZS1

Challenges don't get satisfied out of thin air

vZS1

You need clients and servers in between

vZS1

All of the data is harvested by LE

XRevan86

vZS1: It puts a file in a well-known location.

XRevan86

It's the simplest form of a challenge, there are others available too.

Jan 04 02:53

schestowitz__

output of 'ipfs add' gives a list that, afaict, is sorted by filename alphabetically

Jan 04 02:54

schestowitz__

any way to list chronologically?

Jan 04 02:54

schestowitz__

e.g. date added?

Jan 04 02:54

vZS1

schestowitz__: no metadata.

vZS1

Only hash

schestowitz__

the way it is currently done might be ok for bots and software, like the txt version fed into something else, the html one is rather messy

schestowitz__

and we don't use consistent date formats for backward-compat reasons

schestowitz__

vZS1: and filename

schestowitz__

I suppose I could parse that, find find or similar, then check on filesystem or inodes the ages

Jan 04 02:56

schestowitz__

but that would be costly as the list grows

Jan 04 02:56

schestowitz__

'ipfs pin ls' gives no info about object source

vZS1

You can use a self-signed TLS cert for arbitrary IP addresses without notifying a third party.

schestowitz__

just hashes and indirect/recursive

vZS1

LE is keeping the CA monopoly alive

schestowitz__

china tried (maybe) with starttls

schestowitz__

startcom was making something like centos

XRevan86

vZS1: You're shifting the argument, because the data harvesting one fell apart.

vZS1

schestowitz__: you can only analyse which blocks make up a CID. Nothing else

schestowitz__

but china bad, US "GOOD"

schestowitz__

so LE is GOOD

schestowitz__

China bad

vZS1

> You're shifting the argument, because the data harvesting one fell apart

vZS1

So you're saying filling in a form every time you need TLS is not data harvesting

vZS1

Are you delusional?

schestowitz__

> ipfs pin update <from-path> <to-path> - Update a recursive pin

schestowitz__

so it does know about and is associated with paths

XRevan86

vZS1: You're saying they try to get information such as an HTTP server type, I say they don't give a crap.

schestowitz__

I just want to list those paths

vZS1

> You're saying they try to get information such as an HTTP server type, I say they don't give a crap.

XRevan86

Typically it's literally a regular HTTP request like any other.

vZS1

This is erosion of privacy.

schestowitz__

Let's DataMine :-)

vZS1

X.509's entire "trust model" is erosion of privacy

vZS1

That's why OpenPGP is the only true private encryption model

vZS1

No "authorities"

vZS1

You are in control of who you trust

XRevan86

vZS1: The only way to protect oneself from such erosion of privacy is to hide behind NAT.

XRevan86

Nothing less will cut it. They will find you and GeoIP your IP address.

Jan 04 03:02

XRevan86

and collect your HTTP request headers to figure out what software you're using

Jan 04 03:02

XRevan86

they might even using nmap for the job and find out what OS you're using too

Jan 04 03:03

vZS1

The point isn't the details

Jan 04 03:03

schestowitz__

XRevan86: you can limit visibility for particular tasks

vZS1

It's more that it's reinforcing a monopoly of trust

schestowitz__

like using freenode masks

XRevan86

vZS1: The point is that information that Let's Encrypt gets or can get is information you have already given away beforehand.

XRevan86

schestowitz__: Can you hide the outer IP address of techrights.org?

vZS1

Did you miss what I said about making surveillance easier for them?

schestowitz__

XRevan86: this is not about the site

schestowitz__

but about getting certs

vZS1

_easier_

XRevan86

If you'd use LE they'll find out techrights.org IP address. That's erosion of privacy.

vZS1

Not _possible_

schestowitz__

like, if I ran a Catalan independence site

XRevan86

schestowitz__: Are you getting certificates for something other than sites?

schestowitz__

and I don't trust Microsoft-hosted LetsDataMine to not cooperate with the Spanish 'royal' family

schestowitz__

XRevan86: no

schestowitz__

not even for sites

XRevan86

schestowitz__: That's not what vZS1 is talking about.

vZS1

Why should you require to fill in a form every time you want to use TLS?

vZS1

They know exactly which host is asking for the TLS cert

XRevan86

vZS1: To know that the software requesting the certificate is controlled by the same people as the IP address attached to the domain name.

schestowitz__

vZS1: anything in ipfs hash patterns from which to derive age?

schestowitz__

or sequence?

vZS1

schestowitz__: not that I'm aware of

Jan 04 03:09

schestowitz__

like some special chars

Jan 04 03:09

XRevan86

vZS1: Yes, they know, it should be the same host that this certificate is intended for.

Jan 04 03:10

vZS1

> vZS1: Yes, they know, it should be the same host that this certificate is intended for.

Jan 04 03:10

vZS1

Bogus claim

Jan 04 03:11

vZS1

That doesn't add anything to security

Jan 04 03:11

XRevan86

Oh no, they know it originated from AAAA of techrights.org, they know too much now

Jan 04 03:11

schestowitz__

ipfs ls and 'refs' give nothing

vZS1

The point is you shouldn't be required to get consent from a third party to use encryption. Much less, fill out a form giving out even more information every time

XRevan86

vZS1: It is designed to prevent MitM, nothing else.

schestowitz__

the documentation is not clear what's meant by links or CIDs of links

vZS1

A CID is just a top-level hash of a Merkel tree

vZS1

There's no other metadata

schestowitz__

XRevan86: LetsDataMine is the MitM

schestowitz__

vZS1: ok

vZS1

Either you generate metadata at the beginning or you're out of luck ):

Jan 04 03:14

vZS1

Ah yes. An arbitrary handshake over the internet will get rid of MitM attacks!

Jan 04 03:15

XRevan86

I guess I'm the only person that doesn't want my ISP to know all the shit about me. As long as public information from servers I connect to isn't additionally confirmed with a Form to erode privacy.

Jan 04 03:15

vZS1

Brilliant

Jan 04 03:15

schestowitz__

I think I might just run the command 5 times, with grep

Jan 04 03:16

schestowitz__

not efficient

Jan 04 03:16

schestowitz__

but it's in a cron job anyway, so not my trouble

Jan 04 03:16

vZS1

X509 is a mechanism for monopolisation of trust

Jan 04 03:17

vZS1

And data mining

Jan 04 03:17

vZS1

Otherwise self-signed certs wouldn't be penalised

Jan 04 03:18

XRevan86

vZS1: What stops a MitM from self-signing a certificate?

Jan 04 03:19

XRevan86

Unless you know in advance what certificates are trusted, a certificate is worthless.

Jan 04 03:19

vZS1

That's why you need to be careful of what you decide to trust. You shouldn't trust random crap you get off the internet

Jan 04 03:20

XRevan86

vZS1: I can understand if you have a radically different encryption solution in mind, but just trusting all certificates in the existing model is just not serious.

Jan 04 03:20

vZS1

Any asymmetric encryption scheme needs this precaution

Jan 04 03:20

XRevan86

vZS1: A web browsers show a warning page with a button "trust this cert".

vZS1

> but just trusting all certificates in the existing model is just not serious.

vZS1

When did I say this?

XRevan86

> That's why you need to be careful of what you decide to trust. You shouldn't trust random crap you get off the internet

XRevan86

This is already how all of this works.

vZS1

No it isn't

vZS1

You are forced to trust that the monopolies tell you to trust

XRevan86

Yes it is. You get a warning page and you can choose to trust something.

vZS1

s/that/what

vZS1

> A web browsers show a warning page with a button "trust this cert".

XRevan86

vZS1: So you want a warning page to always show up?

vZS1

This is not as simple as you make it seem

XRevan86

Remove ca-cerificates from your system, problem solved.

schestowitz__

I will write code with a bug

vZS1

The "trust cert" is buried under many buttons

schestowitz__

the code will potentially break in 2030

schestowitz__

if we get that far

Jan 04 03:23

XRevan86

vZS1: I don't know how you're planning to use Internet after that but you're welcome to try.

Jan 04 03:23

vZS1

Plenty of people already use the internet and encryption with PGP

Jan 04 03:24

vZS1

Where you aren't spied on and bullied by monopolies

Jan 04 03:24

XRevan86

With a trust system like public keychains? That's totally not like TLS.

Jan 04 03:25

vZS1

Who said you need to use a public key chain?

Jan 04 03:25

vZS1

You will find most educated PGP people discourage keychains

Jan 04 03:25

vZS1

Because they are bullshit just like X509 (TLS)

Jan 04 03:26

XRevan86

vZS1: Are you planning on visiting every web site hoster live for them to show you their certificate?

Jan 04 03:26

vZS1

Yes. You contact them, over different mediums, ideally in person.

XRevan86

I don't understand how you even begin to imagine anything like that to work.

vZS1

That's real security and not theatre

vZS1

It's good to know you're promoting theatre

XRevan86

vZS1: Or you could maybe delegate that job to someone else to make it at least somewhat bearable.

vZS1

At least that's clear to us now

XRevan86

someone you can trust

vZS1

That's not real privacy

vZS1

It's bullshit

XRevan86

vZS1: You're promoting alternatives that don't work.

vZS1

It works plenty enough for many people

vZS1

You can keep spreading your propaganda though

XRevan86

Automobiles are messy, why don't you use chairs as transportation? They don't need driving licences.

vZS1

Yeah security engineers will smell through your BS (:

vZS1

Nice straw man you got there

vZS1

Want a hat and a coat for it?

vZS1

It's pretty cold out there

vZS1

Maybe gloves?

XRevan86

vZS1: I'm not a security engineer, so I am not trying to say that there's no other way to deliver proper encryption.

XRevan86

What I'm saying is that you are saying that existing encryption methods are bad and therefore we should use bogus encryption that doesn't work.

Jan 04 03:33

*schestowitz__ testing the new code

Jan 04 03:34

schestowitz__

XRevan86: many existing and widely used crypto is 'faked'

schestowitz__

it has weaknesses built into it

schestowitz__

both in China, Russia...

schestowitz__

US, EU

XRevan86

schestowitz__: Why can't Kazakhstan MitM it then?

schestowitz__

we even have official government Web sites and Web pages that admit this

schestowitz__

even prior to 9/11

XRevan86

They keep trying to impose a MitM certificate onto the population.

schestowitz__

why bring up that country?

schestowitz__

Because of the Mozilla debacle?

schestowitz__

point is,

mjg59

There's literally no credible evidence that RSA or AES are 'faked'

schestowitz__

governments in general want to spy on people to control them

XRevan86

schestowitz__: It's in my informational space you know :)

schestowitz__

and not all governments are always legitimate in all countries

schestowitz__

mjg59: Snowden had some leaks on RSS

schestowitz__

RSA

schestowitz__

the company and beyong

schestowitz__

*beyond

XRevan86

Russia, Belarus', Ukraine, Kazakhstan, these are countries that I kind of have to know what's going on in.

schestowitz__

face-saving PR spin is all they had

mjg59

RSA the company is not RSA the extremely well studied asymmetric cryptographic algorithm

schestowitz__

not just the company

mjg59

Snowden has not claimed that the protocol is weak

XRevan86

schestowitz__: There are weaknesses, but TLS actually works.

mjg59

If the NSA had broken RSA they wouldn't have needed to take advantage of "RSA added and removed here"

XRevan86

Anything vZS1 proposes either doesn't work or is actually the same thing in disguise.

schestowitz__

There was this https://www.theverge.com/2013/12/20/5231006/nsa-paid-10-million-for-a-back-door-into-rsa-encryption-according-to

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | NSA paid $10 million to put its backdoor in RSA encryption, according to Reuters report - The Verge

schestowitz__

and there's more

XRevan86

I'm just annoyed by that.

mjg59

schestowitz__: That's about a product called "BSafe", not the RSA algorithm

XRevan86

I usually don't go into debates like that, but it's so factually incorrect I just had to.

vZS1

> What I'm saying is that you are saying that existing encryption methods are bad and therefore we should use bogus encryption that doesn't work.

vZS1

PGP is pretty good, actually. It's in the name

https://jnslp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/NSA%E2%80%99s-Efforts-to-Secure-Private-Sector-Telecommunications-Infrastructure_2.pdf

schestowitz__

vZS1

I'm saying TLS is bogus

mjg59

schestowitz__: Yeah, there's good reason to believe that dual_ec_erbg is backdoored. That's why we don't use it.

XRevan86

Because I know that there are unfortunate issues with CAs, so it's not like I look like a moral hero here by defending that system.

vZS1

> Anything vZS1 proposes either doesn't work or is actually the same thing in disguise.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/how-the-nsa-can-break-trillions-of-encrypted-web-and-vpn-connections/

schestowitz__

https://www.theregister.com/2015/10/19/nsa_crypto_breaking_theory/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | How the NSA can break trillions of encrypted Web and VPN connections | Ars Technica

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Let's talk about that NSA Diffie-Hellman crack • The Register

vZS1

Go on and smear me all you want

mjg59

schestowitz__: That paper literally claims that the NSA wanted to avoid NIST endorsing RSA

XRevan86

vZS1: PGP doesn't have anything regarding trust beyond what TLS does.

schestowitz__

mjg59: Goofle and the NSA are not opposites

schestowitz__

Google is a PROVIDER to the NS

vZS1

That won't stop by patches from being merged not my systems from being used (:

schestowitz__

NSA

vZS1

s/by/my/

schestowitz__

so the idea that Google will reject something "because NSA" is outright laughable and outlandish

vZS1

s/not/nor/

schestowitz__

PRISM serves them things on a silver platter

XRevan86

vZS1: You can blindly trust either, and you can manually verify both too.

schestowitz__

including passwords in "the clown"

vZS1

> XRevan86: vZS1: PGP doesn't have anything regarding trust beyond what TLS does.

schestowitz__

bbl

vZS1

Glad to see you display even more ignorance

mjg59

You're not providing any evidence that the cryptography used in modern web browsers is 'faked'

XRevan86

vZS1: On a scale of web you'd just get PGP certificate authorities.

Jan 04 03:44

XRevan86

because one cannot rigourously verify every single certificate by themselves

Jan 04 03:44

XRevan86

And there's an overwhelming amount of them out there.

vZS1

Of course they can. People running task security do it all the time

vZS1

s/task/real

mjg59

Haha no we fucking don't

mjg59

Unless you're defining "real security" as people who do that

Jan 04 03:46

mjg59

Which isn't a useful definition!

Jan 04 03:46

vZS1

> because one cannot rigourously verify every single certificate by themselves

Jan 04 03:46

vZS1

> And there's an overwhelming amount of them out there.

vZS1

Yes

vZS1

There's an overwhelming amount of incompetence

vZS1

It's called job security for real security engineers

XRevan86

A competent person always knows when a certificate is legitimate or forged just by looking at it without any other information.

Jan 04 03:48

mjg59

You can tell by the pixels

Jan 04 03:48

vZS1

> A competent person always knows when a certificate is legitimate or forged just by looking at it without any other information

Jan 04 03:48

vZS1

Nice try but no

schestowitz__

vZS1: voila http://techrights.org/ipfs/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index

XRevan86

A competent person will always visit the techrights.org office to get the certificate before trying to connect.

vZS1

I'm done pandering to all this BS.

Jan 04 03:50

vZS1

Another one to ignore

Jan 04 03:50

XRevan86

vZS1: You just don't know how to solve this issue.

Jan 04 03:50

XRevan86

No one knows as far as I'm aware, so I don't blame you.

Jan 04 03:51

schestowitz__

trust monopolies won't help

Jan 04 03:51

XRevan86

vZS1: But I do blame you for trying to give an impression that you have all the answers.

Jan 04 03:51

schestowitz__

vZS1: got it done correctly the first pass, no bug fixes needed afaict

Jan 04 03:52

vZS1

Trust doesn't scale. It's that simple.

Jan 04 03:53

XRevan86

And to give an impression that pointing out the fundamental issue of trust in encryption is somehow bullshit, strawmanning, et al.

Jan 04 03:53

XRevan86

vZS1: Internet is outrageously huge, it's that simple.

Jan 04 03:53

vZS1

schestowitz__: looks pretty good

Jan 04 03:54

mjg59

Literally nobody thinks that the CA trust model is fundamentally a good thing

Jan 04 03:54

XRevan86

Neither do I.

schestowitz__

the Net is a mess

schestowitz__

a fish that rots

mjg59

But we're lacking alternatives that don't have significant drawbacks

schestowitz__

from the head down

schestowitz__

starting with root DNS

schestowitz__

did IANA pick over from ICANN fully? Not yet.

schestowitz__

Trump still has the 'keys' to the Net

schestowitz__

with his radical racist party

schestowitz__

that wants to incite violence to derail election and transition of power

vZS1

DNS in general is a mess. Gladly, we have onion services and IPNS slowly replacing it.

schestowitz__

I often wonder what would happen digitally in Iran if the US started a war there and actually had a hard time, unlike with Iraq

schestowitz__

lots of leeway for 'cheating' digitally

vZS1

Digital voting is too risky

schestowitz__

they already ban Iranians (even Persians outside Iran) from doing some things in GAFAM sites

schestowitz__

and they're not even at war (yet?)

vZS1

Some things need to stay as paper

XRevan86

vZS1: That I agree with.

schestowitz__

ttps://stop.zona-m.net/2020/12/sad-follow-up-on-that-small-problem-with-e-voting-in-italy/

schestowitz__

crazy

schestowitz__

madness normalised

schestowitz__

US has Windows sin voting machines

XRevan86

Voting trust is based on transparency and verification.

schestowitz__

if you oppose this, not they call you Trump conspiracy buff

Jan 04 03:59

vZS1

I'm off for now. Got a busy week ahead but I'll work on the IPFS stuff again over the coming weekend.

Jan 04 03:59

XRevan86

Too much election fraud has been exposed in Russia so now there's digital voting on rollout.

Jan 04 04:00

XRevan86

Should fix the fraud exposure issue.

Jan 04 04:00

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schestowitz__

vZS1: any point putting the ipfs text index inside ipfs?

schestowitz__

sort of a recursive thing

schestowitz__

and it changes over time, so...

XRevan86

Already has technically. I don't know why I keep using future tense.

schestowitz__

that would likely mean daily new object for each day, ipfs doesn't handle dynamic stuff well

vZS1

That's what IPNS is for. I'll get there eventually.

schestowitz__

Jan 04 04:02

vZS1

I'll do a write-up for that too. It's a lot simpler.

Jan 04 04:02

vZS1

So don't worry about it too much

Jan 04 04:02

vZS1

You've got over the biggest hurdle of using the utility itself

Jan 04 04:03

schestowitz__

silly question:

schestowitz__

any html/www index of sites with ipfs?

schestowitz__

for discovery

schestowitz__

I know it beats the purpose, sort of

https://www.occ.treas.gov/topics/supervision-and-examination/bank-operations/financial-crime/suspicious-activity-reports/index-suspicious-activity-reports.html

schestowitz__

maybe we can promote these with cids for links

Jan 04 04:05

XRevan86

I think we're pretty lucky that everyone needs encryption including the people in power and the only opposition to it is people stupid enough not to understand how crucial it is.

Jan 04 04:06

XRevan86

So it mostly works as everyone is invested in it working more than not.

Jan 04 04:07

XRevan86

except Kazakhstan, the country that renamed the capital to the first name of the president.

Jan 04 04:11

XRevan86

Even Minsk is still not Alexander (any day now)

Jan 04 04:12

XRevan86

There's already a city called Vladimir, so no comment there.

Jan 04 04:13

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Jan 04 04:15

schestowitz__

"nuke Vladimir"

Jan 04 04:16

schestowitz__

"aye sir"

Jan 04 04:16

schestowitz__

"is 60 megatons enough?"

Jan 04 04:16

CrystalMath

personally i think people are forgetting the importance of not being able to prove you voted for someone

Jan 04 04:23

CrystalMath

that's the only way to discourage buying votes

Jan 04 04:24

XRevan86

Nazarbayev's birthday is coincides with a state holiday called capital city day.

Jan 04 04:27

XRevan86

/ is//

Jan 04 04:27

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Jan 04 04:48

DaemonFC[m]

Because they'll be ruined if they lose the PC market.

Jan 04 05:09

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Jan 04 05:13

DaemonFC[m]

Jan 04 05:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.occ.treas.gov | Suspicious Activity Reports (SAR) | OCC

Jan 04 05:14

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe they could just call it the Suspicious Activity Report System or SARS.

Jan 04 05:14

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DaemonFC[m]

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us/law-lets-irs-seize-accounts-on-suspicion-no-crime-required.html

Jan 04 05:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime Required - The New York Times

Jan 04 05:16

schestowitz__

like no fly lists

Jan 04 06:02

schestowitz__

you cannot even find out if you're on soem lists

Jan 04 06:03

schestowitz__

so you can have your life ruined like that

Jan 04 06:03

schestowitz__

turning "linux" into clowns https://www.linuxtechi.com/monitor-api-call-user-activity-aws-cloudtrail/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxtechi.com | Monitor API Call and User Activity in AWS Using CloudTrail

schestowitz__

'tools' for proprietary clown GUIs

schestowitz__

"Go to the service ‘CloudTrail’ and click on the dashboard. You can see the event name, time, and source. You can click on ‘View full Event history’ to get all the events."

https://allafrica.com/stories/202101040137.html

schestowitz__

Where can I download this "dashboard" thing?

Jan 04 06:06

schestowitz__

Jan 04 06:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tanzania: Seif Tells Zanzibaris to Shun Political Hatred - allAfrica.com

Jan 04 06:10

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Jan 04 06:32

schestowitz__

is Sam's ITwire rss feed broken again or is he away for extended period?

Jan 04 06:34

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schestowitz__

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/18vosZaH

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | internal transfer from azure org to non-azure org - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

internal transfer from azure org to non-azure org

schestowitz__

I am planning to transfer from azure org to non-azure org. Does Microsoft does background verification again for internal transfer apart from visa transfer?

schestowitz__

Plz throw some valuable inputs

schestowitz__

Techrights-sec

Sam's feed is probably ok, he has not written since Boxing Day

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Jan 04 08:49

vZS1

schestowitz__: usually, if a site has an IPFS version, they mention it somewhere

Jan 04 10:05

schestowitz__

can you name news sites that have it?

Jan 04 10:06

vZS1

Let's see

Jan 04 10:06

schestowitz__

I know of none tbh

schestowitz__

in Daily Links we can add IPFS section

schestowitz__

with CIDs

schestowitz__

it's not hard to accomplish and curate

vZS1

Can't find any

schestowitz__

:-D

Jan 04 10:10

vZS1

I always recommend coupling an IPFS site with RSS.

Jan 04 10:13

schestowitz__

my upload speeds are awful today

Jan 04 10:13

schestowitz__

uploading a video, 16 MB in 1.5 hours!

Jan 04 10:13

schestowitz__

can you info on what time Assange decision comes out, roughly?

schestowitz__

end of day? midday?

https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-release/nomination-of-julian-assange-chelsea-manning-and-edward-snowden-for-the-2021-nobel-peace-prize/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | Nomination of Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden for the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize - Don't Extradite Assange

http://infojustice.org/feed

schestowitz__

MEDIA ADVISORY – Julian Assange Extradition Case Decision: "Time: 10:00 Start Date: Monday 4th January 2021" https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-release/media-advisory-julian-assange-extradition-case-decision/

Jan 04 10:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | MEDIA ADVISORY - Julian Assange Extradition Case Decision - Don't Extradite Assange

Jan 04 10:16

Techrights-sec

Jan 04 10:17

Techrights-sec

Yes, the JA decision is apparently happening at the moment

Jan 04 10:26

Techrights-sec

10am UTC

Jan 04 10:26

schestowitz__

infojustice.org seems on topic, uses some unreasonable terms like "IP" but we can cherry-pick

Jan 04 10:28

Techrights-sec

Yes, their use of the term "IP" seems to be a problem but otherwise I can add

Jan 04 10:30

Techrights-sec

them to the autmated feeds.

Jan 04 10:30

schestowitz__

so many news sites have perished, so might as well collect what might still be relevant and curate/sort from there

Jan 04 10:30

vZS1

This is Magistrate Court

vZS1

There's two higher courts

vZS1

High Court

vZS1

And Supreme

vZS1

So it could get appealed twice

schestowitz__

Yes, they can probably appeal

schestowitz__

but he's rotting away in the meantime

schestowitz__

and it can get appealed only if they present grounds that are accepted higher up

schestowitz__

like mistakes or factual errors made

Ariadne

the US should pardon assange imo

Jan 04 10:36

vZS1

First Amendment

Jan 04 10:36

Ariadne

they should also pardon the silk road dude

schestowitz__

#wikileaks #assange https://twitter.com/MurtazaViews/status/1346030841361784832 decision shortly

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MurtazaViews: Julian Assange’s partner Stella Morris at the central criminal court to hear if the judge will order extradition of… https://t.co/MRdAGgFImQ

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MurtazaViews: Julian Assange’s partner Stella Morris at the central criminal court to hear if the judge will order extradition of… https://t.co/MRdAGgFImQ

schestowitz__

vZS1: when you outsource to Twitter https://wikileaks.org/-News-.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - News

schestowitz__

and your news section is stale for 2 years!

Jan 04 10:38

schestowitz__

whatever the outcome of the case, I'll start drafting something

schestowitz__

this BLOODY connection is awful

schestowitz__

20 MB out of 140 MB.... in 2 hours!!!

schestowitz__

this can take like a whole day at this pace

Ariadne

schestowitz__

and the news it covers is getting older by the hour

Ariadne

what connection

schestowitz__

Ariadne: the connection at my home

Ariadne

schestowitz__

the site is awesome

schestowitz__

so fast, too!

schestowitz__

I think they flagged me for throttling

schestowitz__

for ipfs likely

schestowitz__

22.2/158mb

vZS1

What was your upload speed like before?

schestowitz__

it would hang for life half a minute, resume, then pause again

Ariadne

yeah that’s throttling

schestowitz__

classic time sharing round robin crap

schestowitz__

welcome back 1990s

schestowitz__

vZS1: a lot better than this :-)

schestowitz__

sometimes it's faster

schestowitz__

for a bit

Ariadne

i guess after brexit they can’t afford to just give you what you pay for

schestowitz__

seems they have another mood on Monday mornings

schestowitz__

Ariadne: lol

schestowitz__

brexshite

schestowitz__

soon we'll need to buy bags of rice

Ariadne

emergency food

schestowitz__

exit europe, enter vietnam

http://techrights.org/2020/12/15/support-assange/

schestowitz__

taking back contrOLOL

Jan 04 10:47

schestowitz__

Jan 04 10:49

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Support Julian Paul Assange | Techrights

Jan 04 10:49

vZS1

Any chance of getting a pardon from sleepy Joe?

Jan 04 10:50

schestowitz__

they need to "wake him up"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8WRFw5sHQ

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Assange a high-tech terrorist: Biden - YouTube

schestowitz__

Biden is more GOP than D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uId1l2AwVH8

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Meet The Press McConnell- Assange is a 'high-tech terrorist' - YouTube

vZS1

Yeah but I don't think he'd want to be known as the president that let press freedom erode away

Ariadne

[04:50] <vZS1> Any chance of getting a pardon from sleepy Joe?

Ariadne

not likely

Ariadne

they will spin it

Ariadne

they will say assange is a terrorist

Jan 04 10:53

Ariadne

they will tie him to trump

Jan 04 10:53

Ariadne

and democrats will call for his head

Jan 04 10:53

Ariadne

he should be pardoned

Jan 04 10:54

Ariadne

the only alleged crime he committed was a matter in sweden

Jan 04 10:54

Ariadne

has nothing to do with USA

Jan 04 10:54

schestowitz__

I have a stupid question

schestowitz__

let's say you want a quick update on the case

schestowitz__

or court outcome

schestowitz__

and you reject social control media

schestowitz__

and spying 'news' sites like channel 4 and itc

schestowitz__

where do you turn?

vZS1

There should be official sites from the courts

schestowitz__

they are not updated quickly

schestowitz__

like FCC in German, re UPC

schestowitz__

the news was broken in twitter iirc

schestowitz__

and then decisions in a page linked to

schestowitz__

or we just mass-refreshed the page

schestowitz__

later came EN text

schestowitz__

DE first

schestowitz__

I forgot the sequence of events

schestowitz__

but the Web ruins the justice process

schestowitz__

like trial by social control media

schestowitz__

or reactions controlled by Internet mobs

schestowitz__

beating actual journalists to it

https://old-bailey.com/2021/01/03/whats-on-at-the-old-bailey-january-4/

schestowitz__

with spin and distortion of outcomes

Jan 04 11:00

vZS1

I had a look at the details and apparently, Assange is being prosecuted for "encouraging hacking"

Jan 04 11:04

vZS1

So they dodge having to fight around the First Amendment, by spinning it like that

Jan 04 11:04

vZS1

Jan 04 11:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old-bailey.com | What’s on at the Old Bailey, January 4 – Old Bailey Insight & Legal London

Jan 04 11:06

vZS1

That's the best I could find

Jan 04 11:06

vZS1

https://old-bailey.com/old-bailey-cases-of-interest/

Jan 04 11:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old-bailey.com | What’s on at the Old Bailey today – Old Bailey Insight & Legal London

Jan 04 11:08

mjg59

Well good the UK denied extradition for Assange

Jan 04 11:12

schestowitz__

Great! https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1346049008314298368

Jan 04 11:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Breaking: UK judge rules against extradition of Assange to US #AssangeCase

Jan 04 11:14

schestowitz__

can you proofread with me?

Jan 04 11:16

schestowitz__

for speed?

Jan 04 11:16

schestowitz__

http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/julian-assange-wins-extradition-battle/

Jan 04 11:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Julian Assange’s Extradition DENIED by British Court | Techrights

Jan 04 11:18

vZS1

Sure

Jan 04 11:20

schestowitz__

fixed Trumps's

Jan 04 11:20

schestowitz__

Assange now trending in Twitter

Jan 04 11:21

vZS1

Don't see anything else wrong

Jan 04 11:23

vZS1

But maybe it's worth redacting the bit about the FSF and staying a bit more narrowly focused.

Jan 04 11:24

vZS1

You can do another post on that as a follow up

Jan 04 11:24

vZS1

Seems just bolted on right now

Jan 04 11:24

vZS1

There's more about that than the actual Assange decision

Jan 04 11:25

vZS1

The judge ultimately ruled based on health grounds

Jan 04 11:26

vZS1

So that's not exactly setting a good precedent.

schestowitz__

hmm..

schestowitz__

I did not read that decision

schestowitz__

do you have the link?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assange-news-live-wikileaks-extradition-us-b1781919.html

vZS1

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Julian Assange news - live: WikiLeaks founder will not face ‘oppressive’ extradition to US, UK court rules | The Independent

schestowitz__

old-bailey.com is slow

schestowitz__

where is the PDF or similar?

schestowitz__

the above site is malicious

schestowitz__

ad blockers and worse

schestowitz__

and many browsers I use cannot access it

schestowitz__

I want to link to the real source

schestowitz__

"Court 2 at 10am Wikileaks founder Julian Assange will find out if he is going to be extradited to the United States. He is wanted in the US for allegedly conspiring with army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to expose military secrets between January and May 2010."

https://old-bailey.com/2021/01/03/whats-on-at-the-old-bailey-january-4/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old-bailey.com | What’s on at the Old Bailey, January 4 – Old Bailey Insight & Legal London

schestowitz__

no link

vZS1

I'm waiting for the real source myself

vZS1

But I don't think we'll get that immediately

schestowitz__

like I said an hour ago

vZS1

It will take a while for the documents to be uploaded

schestowitz__

social control media mobs will dominate the response

schestowitz__

and shape the reactions

schestowitz__

because the courts are too slow

schestowitz__

they don't publish fast enough

schestowitz__

some of them write "tweets"

schestowitz__

before the actual decision

schestowitz__

this is terrible

schestowitz__

German FCC was the same

schestowitz__

re UCP in March last year

vZS1

Well. It's the internet

schestowitz__

and them Team UPC fanatics would comment on the "tweet"

schestowitz__

like a threatre of idiocy

schestowitz__

later they have german decision

schestowitz__

then english

vZS1

It should be published immediately by the court, though. I agree with that much

Jan 04 11:32

vZS1

But you can't stop the internet from being the internet

Jan 04 11:32

vZS1

The mobs will always be the mobs

Jan 04 11:32

schestowitz__

There's someone who penned some pieces hosted in Techrights (figosdev; I don't know his first or last name, never saw a photo either); earlier in the month of December he totally snapped because someone in IRC had said something about nutrition (which I do not even understand; didn't even know what the acronym meant, so I stayed out of it).

Jan 04 11:33

schestowitz__

How that led to a verbal attack on me (I did not even participate in that IRC smalltalk)... I still don't understand. This wasn't the first flippant response of this kind. I listen, I don't censor, and occasionally I offer space in Techrights. I try not to edit (not even insults) because edits are censorship unless it's typos (not changing meaning/emotion).

Jan 04 11:34

Techrights-sec

Is there an actual source to the JA decision yet or just hearsay?

Jan 04 11:34

schestowitz__

figosdev no longer writes for us. On many things I agree with him, but it always disturbed me that he urged you to step down (also some of the things he wrote about the FSF, a sort of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater").

Jan 04 11:34

vZS1

> Techrights-sec: Is there an actual source to the JA decision yet or just hearsay?

vZS1

Just hearsay

schestowitz__

Techrights-sec: this is EXACTLY what we try to figure out in IRC right now. Short answer: no. Loner: de FCC was the same re UPC.

vZS1

We're still waiting for the official PDF

vZS1

schestowitz__: it's good that the chat is left uncensored. At most redactions of names should be done.

Jan 04 11:36

schestowitz__

it would be ovbious based on context

Jan 04 11:37

schestowitz__

only first names were usually used

Jan 04 11:37

schestowitz__

like namecalling

Jan 04 11:37

schestowitz__

I've just closed twitter

schestowitz__

it's a noise machine

schestowitz__

with "Microsoft" trending, at least in the UK

schestowitz__

NO idea why

schestowitz__

and I don't need to click, don't want to find out

schestowitz__

maybe some new spamming campaign

schestowitz__

facilitated by their partner, Twitter Inc.

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/trials-old-bailey-central-criminal-court/

vZS1

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nationalarchives.gov.uk | Trials in the Old Bailey and the Central Criminal Court - The National Archives

schestowitz__

wikileaks broke the news for me, from the courtroom (oral/verbal) I assume

vZS1

I'm trying to use this atm

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1346055724879777792

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ggreenwald: The rejection by the UK court of the US Govt's request to extradite Julian Assange to stand trial on espionage char… https://t.co/QRpeqmDDtz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ggreenwald: The rejection by the UK court of the US Govt's request to extradite Julian Assange to stand trial on espionage char… https://t.co/QRpeqmDDtz

vZS1

Maybe it will help us

schestowitz__

Notice no links

schestowitz__

so he's relying on something he heard or read somewhere

schestowitz__

not the ACTUAL decision

schestowitz__

for the first time in ages I opened Twitter

schestowitz__

and it was a mess, as I remembered it...

schestowitz__

too much has been outsourced to it

schestowitz__

not just mob justice

schestowitz__

even courts

schestowitz__

and people "tweeting" from hearings

schestowitz__

one day in the future it can be looked upon as a Dark Age

schestowitz__

when idiots with fake 'phones' were pecking and bobbing to influence the operations of society and the state

schestowitz__

and find old articles in the press archives which mention this thing called "TWEETS"

schestowitz__

"the decison was tweeted..."

schestowitz__

"Greenwald heard about a decision and then tweeted..."

vZS1

Hold on

vZS1

vZS1

The first published account of trials held at the Old Bailey dates from 1674 and from 1678 to 1913 accounts of trials were regularly published. These published proceedings were produced for public consumption. Published proceedings ceased in 1913 by which time they had become largely redundant in the face of newspaper reports of trials.

vZS1

vZS1

What is this bullshit

vZS1

From the link https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/trials-old-bailey-central-criminal-court/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nationalarchives.gov.uk | Trials in the Old Bailey and the Central Criminal Court - The National Archives

vZS1

So "news"papers are considered an okay replacement to published proceedings?

Jan 04 11:46

schestowitz__

no, worse

Jan 04 11:47

schestowitz__

"tweets" from "news" papers

Jan 04 11:47

schestowitz__

like Daily Fail

Jan 04 11:47

vZS1

I was just going to mention that

schestowitz__

and then that shapes trhe debate

schestowitz__

by the time the decision comes out in writing nobody cares

schestowitz__

it's "old news"

schestowitz__

people judge the judgement on the tweets"

schestowitz__

"tweets"

schestowitz__

SCOTUS has SCOTUS BLog

schestowitz__

they get inside look

schestowitz__

like media partners

schestowitz__

but they're private firms

schestowitz__

not part of SCOTUS itself

schestowitz__

it was a subject of controversy we covered ages ago

schestowitz__

like lawyers watching over SCOTUS

schestowitz__

with their biased

vZS1

Christ. I didn't realise the system was this broken

schestowitz__

with their biased viewed and biases

schestowitz__

media partners

schestowitz__

for courts

schestowitz__

trial by media?

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

Media-sponsored trials

https://twitter.com/MelTravisLayton/status/1346055224478244868

schestowitz__

Jan 04 11:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MelTravisLayton: @LLinWood @realDonaldTrump @GenFlynn @SidneyPowell1 https://t.co/sN4Ypp68Dh

Jan 04 11:50

schestowitz__

all sorts of dodgy accounts link to us

Jan 04 11:51

schestowitz__

https://www.ft.com/content/29a1eb7f-c8c8-4ef6-8473-23d5568e5ac8

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Subscribe to read | Financial Times

vZS1

I think I found it!

https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/usa-v-julian-assange/

vZS1

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.judiciary.uk | USA -v- Julian Assange | Courts and Tribunals Judiciary

x https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/26938

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog

schestowitz__

I have updated my post with the linl

Jan 04 12:00

schestowitz__

*linl

Jan 04 12:00

schestowitz__

*link

Jan 04 12:00

vZS1

"410. I order the discharge of Julian Paul Assange, pursuant to section 91(3) of the EA 2003."

Jan 04 12:01

vZS1

That was much more difficult than it should be

Jan 04 12:01

vZS1

What the hell

Jan 04 12:01

schestowitz__

132 pages

schestowitz__

which page are you quoting?

vZS1

It's all numbered

schestowitz__

will make local copy and screenshot

vZS1

It's the last line

schestowitz__

to avert the number

schestowitz__

vZS1

J. Order

schestowitz__

last is just sig

schestowitz__

132

vZS1

s/Order/Orders

schestowitz__

131 it is

schestowitz__

see 409.

schestowitz__

she rejects the argument

schestowitz__

to save face

schestowitz__

but net effect is,he's off the hook

schestowitz__

better than I anticipated

schestowitz__

we don't need a local copy of it

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

a high-profile historic case

schestowitz__

there won't be lack of access/reach to copies

vZS1

It's still a shitty decision

schestowitz__

my upload speeds are painful

vZS1

In health grounds

schestowitz__

like a minute to upload just an image

schestowitz__

rianne says youtube also buffers a lot due to it

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/decision-assange.png

schestowitz__

http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/julian-assange-wins-extradition-battle/

schestowitz__

Jan 04 12:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Julian Assange’s Extradition DENIED by British Court (Updated) | Techrights

Jan 04 12:07

vZS1

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41/section/91#section-91-3

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.legislation.gov.uk | Extradition Act 2003

schestowitz__

some truly terribly fonts they use

schestowitz__

hinting/kerning

schestowitz__

*terrible

Jan 04 12:09

vZS1

He's practically off the hook for now. But this was on medical grounds and not freedom of speech and press

Jan 04 12:10

vZS1

That's not a good sign

Jan 04 12:10

vZS1

See the link above

Jan 04 12:11

vZS1

91(3) EA 2003

Jan 04 12:11

vZS1

EA := Extradition Act

Jan 04 12:11

schestowitz__

I saw, linked

schestowitz__

my upload speeds as a PITa

vZS1

schestowitz__

bad day for that

schestowitz__

I wanted to make a video about part 3 re Intel

vZS1

91 Physical or mental condition

vZS1

(1)This section applies if at any time in the extradition hearing it appears to the judge that the condition in subsection (2) is satisfied.

Jan 04 12:13

vZS1

(2)The condition is that the physical or mental condition of the person is such that it would be unjust or oppressive to extradite him.

Jan 04 12:13

vZS1

(3)The judge must—

vZS1

(a)order the person’s discharge, or

vZS1

(b)adjourn the extradition hearing until it appears to him that the condition in subsection (2) is no longer satisfied.

vZS1

schestowitz__

I've just alerted wikieaks about it

Jan 04 12:19

schestowitz__

but they probably know regardless

Jan 04 12:19

schestowitz__

their lawyers would anticipate

schestowitz__

I think they targeted that section for compassionate discharge

schestowitz__

and maybe it was their legal strategy all along

schestowitz__

BTW, his wife lives in London

schestowitz__

well, financee

schestowitz__

so he might not even move to Australia

schestowitz__

they need to both move to Iceland or something

schestowitz__

further away from 5EYES

vZS1

Why Iceland?

schestowitz__

press freedom

vZS1

vZS1

So where is Wikileaks based?

schestowitz__

look it up

schestowitz__

Sunshine press

https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19795561

schestowitz__

their editor in chief is a journalist from there, too

Jan 04 12:23

vZS1

Jan 04 12:24

vZS1

Iceland

Jan 04 12:24

*CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Call-out culture is toxic, disgusting, and vile!)

Jan 04 12:26

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #trump could, but did NOT, withdraw from cases against #pressFreedom e.g. with a pardon. Always remember how he attacked TRUTH ITSELF. #wikileaks #snowden

schestowitz__

LOL!

https://e.vnexpress.net/news/sports/vietnam-s-sofm-wins-china-lol-of-the-year-mvp-award-4215771.html

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-e.vnexpress.net | Vietnam's SofM wins China LoL of the year MVP award - VnExpress International

https://washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

schestowitz__

LoL of the year

Jan 04 12:29

vZS1

Off for now. Have a good day, all.

Jan 04 12:30

schestowitz__

cheers

Jan 04 12:30

XRevan86

Jan 04 13:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Trump pressures Georgia's Raffensperger to overturn his defeat in extraordinary call - The Washington Post

Jan 04 13:42

XRevan86

Only listened to the four minute recording, that was fun.

Jan 04 13:44

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Jan 04 13:59

schestowitz__

typical

Jan 04 14:43

schestowitz__

Trump makes Vlad look like top class and brass

Jan 04 14:44

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Jan 04 14:51

vZS1_2

schestowitz__: I'm going to pin the PDFs from the trial rn.

Jan 04 14:52

vZS1_2

You can just share the CIDs. I'll serve them for TR

Jan 04 14:52

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Jan 04 15:00

schestowitz__

sounds good, vZS1_2

schestowitz__

I think it's an abundant thing to be finding in the future

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MinceR

(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFoaeZ-ptHo

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-all i want for christmas is to hit those notes - YouTube

schestowitz__

ipfs might be better for rare and suppressed stuff

schestowitz__

vZS1_2: still uploadign the video LOL

schestowitz__

since 7am

schestowitz__

just halfway now

schestowitz__

great stuff

schestowitz__

70mb in about 7 hours

schestowitz__

welcome back 1995

https://www.voanews.com/europe/british-judge-rejects-us-extradition-request-wikileaks-founder

Techrights-sec

Techrights-sec

The argument presented there is about his health and not about

Techrights-sec

freedom of the press.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | British Judge Rejects US Extradition Request for WikiLeaks Founder | Voice of America - English

schestowitz__

Our post was updated to show this

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/Qmc5uYkRdTB51XZQz1oUDTqPdTnBerZ8CzLCUNmKx3Z5P9/USA-v-Assange-annex-040121.pdf

vZS1_2

Techrights-sec: we discussed this earlier. It's all recorded in the IRC logs.

Jan 04 15:18

vZS1_2

Assange was discharged wrt Section 91(3)(a) of the Extradition Act 2003

Jan 04 15:18

vZS1_2

schestowitz__: I wrapped a directory around the two PDFs this time

Jan 04 15:20

Techrights-sec

ok, I see the update: http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/julian-assange-wins-extradition-battle/

Jan 04 15:21

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Julian Assange’s Extradition DENIED by British Court (Updated) | Techrights

Jan 04 15:21

vZS1_2

Jan 04 15:22

vZS1_2

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/Qmc5uYkRdTB51XZQz1oUDTqPdTnBerZ8CzLCUNmKx3Z5P9/USA-v-Assange-judgment-040121.pdf

Jan 04 15:23

vZS1_2

These are the official court documents

Jan 04 15:23

schestowitz__

WHAT? No archived TWEETS?

schestowitz__

Did you not put in IPFS 1MB of zips of tweets with JS and images and fonts? :-)

vZS1_2

Sorry. No Twitler here.

schestowitz__

But tweets, man!

schestowitz__

decisions: tl;dr

Jan 04 15:25

schestowitz__

"Trump MAGA2020 John" tweet about Assange is better than 132 of legal text

Jan 04 15:25

schestowitz__

*pages

Jan 04 15:25

vZS1_2

Techrights-sec: USA-v-Assange-judgment-040121.pdf, pg 132, Section "J. Orders", item "410".

Jan 04 15:27

schestowitz__

Techrights-sec will see that

schestowitz__

speaking over ssh relay on self-hosted raspi with ytalk in tmux :-)

vZS1_2

Good stuff

vZS1_2

Just wanted to make it easier for them

https://explosm.net/comics/5718

MinceR

Jan 04 15:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net)

Jan 04 15:29

vZS1_2

s/pg 132/pg 131/

Jan 04 15:30

schestowitz__

this is new and your turf, vZS1_2

schestowitz__

"Signal has been moving in the direction of adding PINs for some time because they realize the danger of relying on the phone number system. Signal just mandated PINs for everyone as part of that switch. Good for security? I really don't think so. They did it so you could recover some bits of "profile, settings, and who you’ve blocked"."

https://bryanquigley.com/posts/wrong-about-signal.html

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bryanquigley.com | Wrong About Signal | Bryan Quigley

schestowitz__

I'd do a video about signal and other crap

schestowitz__

but I lack firsthand experience with those "apps"

https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19796917

schestowitz__

"In summary, Signal got people to hastily create or reuse PINs for minimal disclosed security benefits. There is a possibility that the push for mandatory cloud based PINS despite all of the pushback is that Signal knows of active attacks that these PINs would protect against. It likely would be related to using phone numbers."

Jan 04 15:44

schestowitz__

Jan 04 15:44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why signal is #shit and #eff endorsing such #shitty things harms the reputation of the EFF https://bryanquigley.com/posts/wrong-about-signal.html

Jan 04 15:44

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Jan 04 15:54

schestowitz__

I heard many bad things about signal

Jan 04 15:54

schestowitz__

but no actual experience with it, which I suppose is a good thing

vZS1_2

It is fake encryption because you don't control your keys

schestowitz__

Vault 7 has some leaks about how CIA bypasses the 'protection'

schestowitz__

People really should not use so-called 'phones' to communicate

schestowitz__

except maybe 'hi', 'bye', 'cya 7'

schestowitz__

the sorts of comms that give almost nothing of us

Jan 04 15:56

schestowitz__

*use

Jan 04 15:56

schestowitz__

or nothing that's not already known or easy to figure out

Jan 04 15:56

vZS1_2

It's still possible to keep privacy when using these services

Jan 04 15:59

vZS1_2

Just use end-to-end encryption

Jan 04 15:59

schestowitz__

and not on a 'phone'

schestowitz__

you cannot hold any private keys on it

schestowitz__

assume any key on it to be compromised

schestowitz__

throw away the key

schestowitz__

replace with another

schestowitz__

like mistakenly pasting a password in a busy IRC channel

scientes

schestowitz__, I've got the pinephone

Jan 04 16:01

schestowitz__

does it have dual processor?

Jan 04 16:01

schestowitz__

one for the tower?

Jan 04 16:01

scientes

4xA53

schestowitz__

I've long wondered if pinephone did something about that

scientes

oh, and the modem has its own, but it probably is not secure

schestowitz__

pinephone can be 100% failproof and without back doors, intentional or not

scientes

its over the pci bus

schestowitz__

but if there's a hypervisor on the board, you need to inspect that too

scientes

Bus 003 Device 002: ID 2c7c:0125 Quectel Wireless Solutions Co., Ltd. EC25 LTE modem

scientes

usb bus

scientes

schestowitz__, no, its just arm with linux

scientes

fairly standard

scientes

and it uses ModemManager

scientes

Intel actually built some really nice software that works with GNU/Linux

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq0lkKyXcAE4mQt?format=jpg&name=orig

scientes

I think because of their involvement with Tizen

Jan 04 16:04

scientes

like they wrote the daemon for doing MMS (picture SMS)

Jan 04 16:04

scientes

not something I am interested in

Jan 04 16:04

schestowitz__

"linuxsecurity" relaying anti-Linux FUD AGAIN https://www.linuxsecurity.com/news/hackscracks/golang-malware-infecting-windows-linux-servers-with-xmrig-miner?rss

Jan 04 16:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxsecurity.com | Golang malware infecting Windows, Linux servers with XMRig miner.

Jan 04 16:06

schestowitz__

sometimes it feels like anti-Linux site

Jan 04 16:06

schestowitz__

also fuding go and monero

Jan 04 16:07

vZS1_2

MS hates Go because it's wildly successful and not theirs

Jan 04 16:07

MinceR

i hate go because lol no generics

Jan 04 16:09

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Jan 04 16:14

vZS1_2

I still like it.

Jan 04 16:15

MinceR

Jan 04 16:15

vZS1_2

Also, they have added genererics to Go

vZS1_2

s/genererics/generics/

schestowitz__

:-)

schestowitz__

gonerics

vZS1_2

I'm pretty sure including generics was forced on the design team

MinceR

vZS1_2

Go has interfaces and those are sufficient

vZS1_2

They resisted generics from the very start

vZS1_2

But marketing probably to blame there

MinceR

i prefer languages designed by teams who don't want to force me to copy/paste code

schestowitz__

do you want your work and code to rely on google?

vZS1_2

Yeah. Because you can compile Go from source.

vZS1_2

It's practically free

vZS1_2

in both freedom and beer sense

schestowitz__

the direction is not

vZS1_2

schestowitz__

unless you have resources to fork it

vZS1_2

I will just use the version I use

schestowitz__

same for systemd and Linux

schestowitz__

they are vast

schestowitz__

and you know what sorts of companies control them

vZS1_2

You forget that you can freeze these things

schestowitz__

not always

schestowitz__

dependency hell can occur down the years

MinceR

you can't freeze most of them safely

MinceR

especially if your language has a practical library for things like networking

vZS1_2

There's still COBOL code running fine

vZS1_2

It's no concern to me

vZS1_2

If people can't freeze that's their problem

vZS1_2

I can and it works for me (:

Jan 04 16:20

vZS1_2

And COBOL is a long-dead language. But virtualization means you can still run dead things

Jan 04 16:20

schestowitz__

uploaded 100mb now, 58 mb to go

Jan 04 16:20

schestowitz__

it'll take like 10 hours total

schestowitz__

COBOL is the exception

schestowitz__

many things still in use

vZS1_2

Not really

schestowitz__

and relying on it

vZS1_2

There's dead Java versions

schestowitz__

so ibm and others still train people and package things

vZS1_2

Dead ALGOL versions

vZS1_2

Dead Pascal versions

vZS1_2

All still running fine

schestowitz__

but not every language is like this

schestowitz__

freedos

Jan 04 16:22

schestowitz__

scummvm

Jan 04 16:22

vZS1_2

Vast swathes of the internet is held together by dead Perl versions

Jan 04 16:23

scientes

all pearls are dead

Jan 04 16:26

scientes

vZS1_2, GNUCobol was just released

vZS1_2

Nice propaganda

scientes

and virtualization is not a answer

vZS1_2

Perl is one of the most ubiquitous languages out in the wild

scientes

some myths might say "its turtles all the way down" but that doesn't really work that well

https://blog.rust-lang.org/2021/01/04/mdbook-security-advisory.html

vZS1_2

Forgot this joker is on my ignore list.

Jan 04 16:28

scientes

vZS1_2, people forget that virtual memory was once the form of virtualization

Jan 04 16:29

scientes

and now we are stuck with it as just another form of complexity

Jan 04 16:29

schestowitz__

Jan 04 16:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.rust-lang.org | mdBook security advisory | Rust Blog

Jan 04 16:30

scientes

when The New Yorker covers CoreOS (which is not really maintained, there is a LWN article about the lack of maintinance of the Fedora CoreOS version) you know the cool-aid has some good LSD in it

Jan 04 16:30

scientes

<scientes> which are all non-free

Jan 04 16:59

MinceR

(cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/20/b8ff71f9cf47533e.mp4

Jan 04 17:06

scientes

MinceR, (cat) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH2H121T1Y4

Jan 04 17:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lion Baby Meets His Namesake - YouTube

Jan 04 17:07

MinceR

>:3

Jan 04 17:08

vZS1_2

schestowitz__: someone pointed out to me that the medical angle will be harder to appeal against.

vZS1_2

I don't know how true that is but it seems reasonable.

schestowitz__

yeah, but see section (3)

schestowitz__

or rather point (3)

schestowitz__

if his condition changes, what happens?

vZS1_2

Judge said "discharged"

schestowitz__

either way, he needs to flee 5EYES

vZS1_2

That's (3)(a)

schestowitz__

they can kill him in the the streets or he can die like John Lennon

schestowitz__

they can also make new accusations against him

schestowitz__

like the Sweden 'case'

vZS1_2

If Judge said "adjourned", it would be (3)(b)

vZS1_2

So he's off the hook, for now

vZS1_2

Possible. But I just wanted to mention what someone else told me

schestowitz__

BTW, slack crashed for hours

schestowitz__

yay, clown computing

schestowitz__

I suspect security incident (ANOTHER one) is possible

vZS1_2

"zero downtime"

vZS1_2

Whatever it is

schestowitz__

would be chaotic when all those idiots who share passwords there pay the price

vZS1_2

It isn't "zero downtime"

schestowitz__

they still don't explain what happened

schestowitz__

when is the judgement implemented and Assange goes and walks free with his family?

schestowitz__

to see his kids and all

schestowitz__

or maybe he wanted to visit a clinic first

schestowitz__

tbh, if I were him, take the NEXT available plane

schestowitz__

and out of the bloody country

schestowitz__

somewhere like Switzerland

schestowitz__

where there was political will to grant him asylum

schestowitz__

and then hide them with help from the state

schestowitz__

the Swiss authorities don't take no s*** with CIA, based on some Snowden stories

schestowitz__

they tried to get a bankster drunk behind the wheel to blackmail him

vZS1_2

Don't really know much about these rumours

Jan 04 17:40

vZS1_2

I'm happy we managed to find and put up the judgement documents on TR

Jan 04 17:41

vZS1_2

The PDFs seem to be getting a lot of downloads from my IPFS node

Jan 04 17:41

vZS1_2

I'll unpin them from my node later and see if they are pinned elsewhere

Jan 04 17:42

schestowitz__

I am still waiting for my upload to finish

Jan 04 17:42

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: I paid an attorney for a consultation.

Jan 04 17:46

DaemonFC[m]

I decided I'd rather go in there with some backup.

Jan 04 17:46

DaemonFC[m]

I hate dealing with lawyers.

schestowitz__

how many dollars per word uttered by that genius mouth?

schestowitz__

iirc, you can have a representative with you

DaemonFC[m]

God knows. $150 for the consult. Her paralegal said flat fee depending on amount of work involved.

schestowitz__

and they are shielding you from unfair or trick questions

DaemonFC[m]

But the $150 gets applied to the fee if I hire her.

schestowitz__

I can consult for free ;-)

DaemonFC[m]

It's basically to stop people from wasting their time I guess.

schestowitz__

but I cannot sign legal documents

schestowitz__

didn't graduate from their glorified school

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: Yeah, it's basically like paying a mercenary.

DaemonFC[m]

To protect you from an ambush during the "interview".

https://assets.amuniversal.com/fc0c04b081ad01380499005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-06-11 )

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Better Fast Than Good - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-06-11 | Dilbert by Scott Adams

Jan 04 17:49

scientes

MinceR, why does he have a post-card on his face?

Jan 04 17:49

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: The paralegal says it might be better to request a new interview date, then have the attorney go over the I-864 we intend to file to make sure nothing gets fucked up, file it, and then have her go to the interview with us. I briefly described Maricel and she went "Uggghth.". I was like, "My sentiments exactly.".

Jan 04 17:50

MinceR

scientes: it's a respirator

Jan 04 17:50

scientes

MinceR, does he have asthma?

Jan 04 17:50

MinceR

probably not

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: The upside is that the $1,200 stimulus check landed in our bank account.

scientes

my glasses company now thinks I should buy fog-proof glasses

scientes

instead of just not be stupid and fog up my glasses

DaemonFC[m]

So I'm guessing that will cover at least 50-60% of what I'm in for regarding the lawyer.

DaemonFC[m]

I went over it in my head. I was like, "Well, if the lawyer costs $2,000 or somewhere around that probably, and she saves us from this turning into a complete disaster involving deportation defense while Mandy loses his job.....".

Jan 04 17:52

DaemonFC[m]

The worst thing that could happen is it would have gone through anyway and I wasted money. But she might just be the difference that keeps our case from going totally sideways during the "interview".

Jan 04 17:53

vZS1_2

Good luck, DFC.

Jan 04 17:55

DaemonFC[m]

Thank you.

https://nitter.net/nandoodles/status/1345774768746852353

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Nandini Jammi (@nandoodles): "The biggest story in tech no one’s talking about is Uber discovering they’d been defrauded out of $100M - or 2/3 of their ad spend. And all bc Sleeping Giants kept bugging them to block their ads on Breitbart." | nitter

DaemonFC[m]

We're going to have to hit the ground running with this, but I think we can beat the bastards.

DaemonFC[m]

Mandy called it an "interrogation". I said, "You accidentally called it what it is.".

Jan 04 18:03

schestowitz__

vZS1_2: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19797867

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #slack issued another update 5 minutes ago, STILL refusing to name what the problem is (causing hours of downtime), so people should SUSPECT ANOTHER DATA BREACH (system compromise, as before) http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/slack-is-dead/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Slack Committed a Very Major Crime That Can Cost Many Billions If Not Trillions in Damages for Years to Come | Techrights

schestowitz__

can you, MinceR and others help investigate this?

schestowitz__

maybe some insider has already hinted or leaks out the root cause?

schestowitz__

we have a customer that uses shit (pronunciation of "slack")

Jan 04 18:12

schestowitz__

would be nice to have a good case for getting them off it and onto jabber or matrix

Jan 04 18:12

MinceR

someone else mentioned that slack died as well

Jan 04 18:12

XRevan86

schestowitz__: I'm pretty sure it's pronounced Schlacke

schestowitz__

it keeps dying for hours now and they DO NOT EXPLAIN WHY

schestowitz__

Shalke FC

MinceR

at 17:25 CET, they said slack died, their browser restarted and teams failed to connect properly

schestowitz__

Schalke

DaemonFC[m]

<scientes "my glasses company now thinks I "> Don't buy the extras unless they don't charge too much more for polycarbonate lenses.

schestowitz__

"Slack the fuck"

DaemonFC[m]

That one actually is worth the upgrade if you can get it for not too much money.

DaemonFC[m]

Oh, I forget, he says he ignored me.

schestowitz__

it was down maybe 3 hours ago

schestowitz__

and still isn't working properly, and they never say why

https://status.slack.com/2021-01/9ecc1bc75347b6d1

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-status.slack.com | Status Site

schestowitz__

they say they investigate

DaemonFC[m]

Anyway, I learned the ins and outs of eyeglasses. The only real upside with Zenni is that you get the eyeglasses cheaply, so when you do end up fucking them up, they don't cost much to replace.

schestowitz__

as if to say they don't know what's going on

schestowitz__

unless there's a system-wide intrusion

DaemonFC[m]

The frames at Walmart are made better, but you'll probably pay 4-5 times as much for them.

schestowitz__

and maybe they shut things down intentionally

schestowitz__

they had data breaches before http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/slack-is-dead/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slack Committed a Very Major Crime That Can Cost Many Billions If Not Trillions in Damages for Years to Come | Techrights

DaemonFC[m]

By the time you destroy a pair of Zennis, you can just replace them and still be money ahead.

DaemonFC[m]

And any outfit operated by Luxottica is going to be 4 times as expensive as Walmart.

Jan 04 18:16

DaemonFC[m]

They cater to the Maricels who go oh sure $8,000 for eyeglasses for the family because it's only money.

Jan 04 18:16

DaemonFC[m]

The ridiculous thing about her freaking out and hiring a lawyer to undo her support affidavit is that she presumed that we wouldn't agree to go over whatever it was she was talking about and see what was reasonable.

Jan 04 18:17

DaemonFC[m]

She came to this ridiculous amount of money that far exceeded anything his schooling cost (which I think she should have credited him all the cleaning and snow shoveling and whatnot they had him doing on the house and didn't consider that he was handing her all his money from a small job his visa allowed on campus that she screamed at him to quit because "It didn't pay enough.").

Jan 04 18:18

DaemonFC[m]

It's never enough. No matter what you do for her, it's never enough.

Jan 04 18:18

DaemonFC[m]

She just flat out demanded all of his Walmart money. An amount that would have caused our household to collapse and then she'd get nothing anyway.

Jan 04 18:19

DaemonFC[m]

Just terible.

Jan 04 18:19

DaemonFC[m]

They were in Spain on vacation screaming at him through the security intercom because he took a five minute break from cleaning to their standards to get a cup of water.

Jan 04 18:20

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: If this was another time and place anyone who saw her would say demonic possession. I say paranoid schizophrenia with comorbid bipolar mania.

Jan 04 18:20

schestowitz__

why are we talking gossip?

DaemonFC[m]

Worst case I've ever seen with the exception that she can put enough of a lid on it in public to remain functional at work.

schestowitz__

better to focus on tech here

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: If we ever get out of this I'm going to sign up for one of those psychology courses at the local university.

DaemonFC[m]

They were advertising some fee reduced scale for people of my income.

Jan 04 18:22

DaemonFC[m]

If I had the money to swing it as a hobby I'd probably take it. I mean the worst thing that happens is I get an associates degree and jobs open up that don't necessarily pertain to that, but require a two year degree because the economy is bad.

Jan 04 18:23

DaemonFC[m]

I was telling John I'd love to be a conductor on the Metra train. They make great money and you get to ride a freaking train all day, which is just gravy really.

Jan 04 18:23

schestowitz__

can we talk about tech?

Jan 04 18:28

schestowitz__

like the downtime of shit?

Jan 04 18:28

schestowitz__

Going to work on some leaks now. Anybody want to help? DaemonFC?

Jan 04 18:33

schestowitz__

This one is about Linux

Jan 04 18:33

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah

schestowitz__

you can add your remarks if you wish

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schestowitz__

I have loads of stuff in the trobve

*rianne__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

DaemonFC[m]

I'm waiting for documents to upload to my Google Drive anyway.

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/intel1.png

DaemonFC[m]

Quick and dirty because COVID.

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schestowitz__

thoughts?

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

> file still 22mb after compression.

schestowitz__

Hi,

schestowitz__

I received 3 xxxxxx from you.

schestowitz__

one 10kb

schestowitz__

one 200k

schestowitz__

one 1MB

schestowitz__

Was one more missing?

schestowitz__

Hi. I believe this is correct.

schestowitz__

Did you receive multiple images or no? Should have been about 8 images.

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

we have about 10 more parts to publish

schestowitz__

it's lockdown here, so time if not an issue

https://mamot.fr/@jz/105498302786510139

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https://assets.amuniversal.com/589403b076ce013800fc005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-06-21 )

DaemonFC[m]

Looks like whatever they're building is remarkably fragile and they're bringing a Windows mentality to Linux where you should pay consultants to work on a program targeting already-rotten software as if it will never become unsupported.

Jan 04 18:36

schestowitz__

I will quote you

Jan 04 18:37

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft is still fostering this mindset with LTSC versions of Windows 10, which are quite different than consumer ones. Companies are so resistant to change that even the built-in components that are being deprecated and removed in favor of Universal Windows Platform on other SKUs still have the legacy components in LTSC. Even the calculator.

Jan 04 18:37

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Jan 04 18:37

MinceR

DaemonFC[m]

Because you move even the smallest thing around, and something breaks.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two Bad Options - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-06-21 | Dilbert by Scott Adams

DaemonFC[m]

LTSC doesn't even have UWP, so the name is misleading. If you build a Universal Windows App, it will not work at all on Windows 10 LTSC.

schestowitz__

"Looks like whatever they're building is remarkably fragile and they're bringing a Windows mentality to Linux where you should pay consultants to work on a program targeting already-rotten software as if it will never become unsupported," Ryan noted in IRC some moments ago.

schestowitz__

But wait, it's going to get worse as we dive yet deeper. They not only adopt a "Windows mentality"; they wish to outsource the whole shebang to Microsoft.

schestowitz__

Sometimes you must wonder <em>why</em> companies insist on outsourcing to Microsoft (GitHub), perhaps forgetting that many important decisions aren't being made by geeks with a clue but by clueless nontechnical managers and so-called 'consultants' who may be covertly working for cults such as Microsoft.

DaemonFC[m]

Which is because the UWP runtime and the Windows store are trash and corporations know that.

DaemonFC[m]

The Win32 "Classic" API is actually far more capable, and Microsoft doesn't want to admit it.

schestowitz__

added

Jan 04 18:40

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: I don't know if you noticed this or not, but Microsoft has a UX job open.

Jan 04 18:40

DaemonFC[m]

They're hiring for a major renovation to the Windows UI and they want to "send the message that 'WINDOWS IS BACK!'" according to the listing.

Jan 04 18:41

schestowitz__

dx=dev experience

schestowitz__

let me show another:

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/dx-rant.jpg

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

thoughts?

MinceR

the censorship bar is a bit too low :>

Jan 04 18:46

MinceR

also, what does DX stand for?

Jan 04 18:46

schestowitz__

I know it low

schestowitz__

but it's enough to obscure the names

schestowitz__

their length might be guessable based on length regardless

schestowitz__

MinceR: [18:44] <schestowitz__> dx=dev experience

MinceR

schestowitz__

I wass going to do a video

MinceR

if someone knows the font, they might be able to figure more out based on the parts that stick out

schestowitz__

but my upload speed is about 10 MB PER HOUR

schestowitz__

so even a short video would take hours

schestowitz__

MinceR: let them guess

schestowitz__

I might released unredacted at the end

schestowitz__

for completeness

schestowitz__

as PDF or something else

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/dx-mistakes.jpg

schestowitz__

depending on some factors

Jan 04 18:49

schestowitz__

like response from Intel apologists and shills

Jan 04 18:49

DaemonFC[m]

Maddox (George Ouzounian) (spelling?) mentioned diversity in the workplace, contemptuously, over a decade an a half ago.

Jan 04 18:53

psydroid

why would they throttle your home upload connection, if you are only using that for documents? do you think it's a deliberate action, because they figured out you are spreading techrights information from home?

Jan 04 18:53

DaemonFC[m]

Mockingly, well ahead of CoCs.

Jan 04 18:53

psydroid

George Ou from ZDNet?

Jan 04 18:54

DaemonFC[m]

"Diverse ideas only come from people who look different!"

Jan 04 18:54

DaemonFC[m]

No, famous internet troll with a blog.

Jan 04 18:54

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: have a look

schestowitz__

I am skipping many slides

schestowitz__

for concision purposes

psydroid

Intel will always be strategically aligned with Microsoft, even if both companies go into steep decline

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: I kept it shot

schestowitz__

short

schestowitz__

want to proofread?

schestowitz__

we publish in bite-sized chunks

schestowitz__

will make it easier to connect and separate parts of exhibits

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: will post if you are ready to pounce and check

schestowitz__

psydroid: maybe you can check also

schestowitz__

I think at the end I will release al material

schestowitz__

hundreds of pages

schestowitz__

but they merit commentary first, document dumps have little impact because they take ages to digest

Jan 04 19:02

schestowitz__

I was planning to do videos today, but connection farrr too slow... taking over 12 hours already just to upload the first and it's not finished yet

Jan 04 19:02

DaemonFC[m]

I'm ready.

DaemonFC[m]

Just emailed a bunch of stuff to the attorney.

DaemonFC[m]

Waiting to hear back from her probably at 3 PM.

schestowitz__

Okay, GO: http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/linux-as-windows/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks – Part III: Intel Treats Linux Like Linux is Just Microsoft Windows | Techrights

psydroid

schestowitz, I am available now

DaemonFC[m]

So I'll be on a conference call with her and her paralegal for a while.

*schestowitz__ will release some of the more damning/incriminating parts first, later shows further details and dump the originals to avoid occlusion of context

Jan 04 19:06

schestowitz__

psydroid: see if you can catch errors

Jan 04 19:06

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: Might note that Windows Store was on the verge of failing completely, filled with fake, fraudulent, and misleading apps that would be removed as violating Apple's quality standards, until Microsoft made it so that developers could take a plain old Win32 desktop app, with basically no changes, put it in an AppX package, and host it in the store. So there are some real applications now, but they mostly

Jan 04 19:10

DaemonFC[m]

ignore the UWP APIs completely, and they can miss important features. For example, VLC is there and can't play DVD or Blu Ray discs, and foobar2000 is there, but you can't add your own components to it, which is like 90% of the reason you'd use it.

Jan 04 19:10

schestowitz__

I saw KDE numbers for their store

schestowitz__

pathetic

schestowitz__

like, top might be krita and kate

schestowitz__

at maybe 50k users

schestowitz__

and they used to joke nobody uses linux

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: do we need to mention Store in the article?

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, some KDE applications are in the Windows Store. They suggest making a donation, but if you do it that way then Microsoft will take 30% of the donation away from them. Since the application is completely functional either way, if you want all of the money to go to KDE you should donate directly to KDE through their website.

schestowitz__

I could add a footnote

schestowitz__

if you think it is important

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: monopoly rents

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe in the context of Microsoft tending to pollute Windows with a bunch of garbage that literally nobody wants to use, let alone developers.

schestowitz__

anyway, I'd rather now shift attention to this other issue

DaemonFC[m]

Then they talk of "developer experience".

schestowitz__

will add to notes for future parts, maybe..

schestowitz__

thanks

psydroid

it's not just that, KDE makes it hard to install stable versions of applications on Windows without the store, so you can usually only install nightlies

DaemonFC[m]

Even the real applications in their store. You ask the developer "Why put crippleware in the store?" and they go "Some people use Windows 10 in S Mode.".

schestowitz__

seems like waste of dev effort

schestowitz__

as I often tell them

DaemonFC[m]

If you want the real, full, application, you have to bypass the store and go directly to the developer.

schestowitz__

most things they compile for win/store only get a few thousands active users

DaemonFC[m]

It's crazy. It's idiotic.

schestowitz__

worth the effort?

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft's own policies on the Store are killing their own store.

schestowitz__

they shut down their PHYSICaL stores

DaemonFC[m]

It's also pressuring people to give up and escape from S Mode because they can't actually use their computer if they don't.

schestowitz__

why not do the same with virtual ones?

schestowitz__

anyway, on to next article now..

DaemonFC[m]

<schestowitz__ "worth the effort?"> No, it's not. The whole idea of Windows Store has failed badly.

DaemonFC[m]

If Microsoft had been more supportive and flexible, who knows?

Jan 04 19:16

DaemonFC[m]

But the web is instead littered with developers recommending leaving S Mode so you can use their real application, not the Store version that doesn't have various features, or isn't allowed at all (like Firefox and Chrome).

Jan 04 19:16

psydroid

as for Intel I have seen them insert x86 assembly code into an xorg driver from one release to another so it would stop building on non-x86 architectures

Jan 04 19:17

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft, early on, banished other web browsers from their store. Their policies don't work, the restrictions don't work, because they have no clout. They're trying to spend Disney Bucks at Caesar's Palace, like Rick said in Rick & Morty.

Jan 04 19:17

psydroid

until now it wouldn't matter because only integrated graphics have been available, but imagine them doing this kind of thing with their new discrete GPUs available on PCIE cards

schestowitz__

cheers

schestowitz__

will mention in future parts

schestowitz__

we have lots to show

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schestowitz__

about their love of microsoft

schestowitz__

hi jose__

jose__

hi there!

DaemonFC[m]

I think that Intel entering the market with GPUs is a good thing for the market. It's a duopoly right now where only AMD and Nvidia compete in the discrete GPU segment, and they only have to be good enough to try to outsell the other one, and Nvidia will never release an open source driver.

psydroid

so I would say Intel has been doing the Intel <3 Linux for longer than MS has been doing, but was just not seen as that, because the company was the so-called darling of the Linux world

schestowitz__

LF and OSDL funding

schestowitz__

for PR

schestowitz__

and for openwashing

DaemonFC[m]

More vendors means more choices. More choices mean better products and more competitive pricing, in theory.

schestowitz__

They had hired Hondahl

schestowitz__

before the GPL violators at vmware snatched him to lie for them, instead

schestowitz__

Dirk

schestowitz__

dreck

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft's endgame is always that after they defeat the competition, they slink back into the comfortable spot of barely supporting that product, firing 90% of the developers, and letting it stagnate into another rotten mess full of security holes.

Jan 04 19:21

DaemonFC[m]

Internet Explorer 6 went on for more than half a decade before a new version was out....with tabs and some minor improvements to CSS.

Jan 04 19:21

DaemonFC[m]

IE 7 very much still went along with their previously stated policy of delivering new version with new versions of Windows, and making only small changes.

Jan 04 19:22

DaemonFC[m]

They misread what the users of web browsers wanted. They figured "Oh they want tabs. We'll give them Internet Explorer with tabs. That'll shut 'em up!".

Jan 04 19:23

schestowitz__

I have another article ready

DaemonFC[m]

For years, they told people on the inside who were asked about tabs that you didn't need tabs because the Windows shell would eventually group the windows.

schestowitz__

if you don't mind ready quickly to catch typos

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah.

http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/microsoft-ai-swpats-event/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Hosts a European Software Patents Propaganda Event (in ‘Hey Hi’ Clothing) Featuring Thierry Breton and Litigation Firms | Techrights

DaemonFC[m]

can’t change and barely ever change at all

Jan 04 19:25

DaemonFC[m]

cant change,

Jan 04 19:25

DaemonFC[m]

Or, as Dave Lane put it mny times before

Jan 04 19:26

DaemonFC[m]

many

Jan 04 19:26

DaemonFC[m]

Either way, let’s consider for a moment what’s shown in this new but belated (by a whole month) post

Jan 04 19:27

DaemonFC[m]

new, albeit belated post, which

Jan 04 19:28

DaemonFC[m]

Still reading.....

Jan 04 19:31

DaemonFC[m]

On the call with the lawyer, I might ask her to petition USCIS for a delay.

Jan 04 19:31

DaemonFC[m]

If we can kick the can several months, it gives more of this Trump bullshit time to go away, anyway.

Jan 04 19:31

DaemonFC[m]

Plus, it's several more months with Mandy where they can't do anything about it.

Jan 04 19:32

DaemonFC[m]

EMH: Please state the nature of the medical emergency.

Jan 04 19:32

DaemonFC[m]

Dr. Crusher: 20 Borg are about to break through that door!

Jan 04 19:32

DaemonFC[m]

EMH: I'm a doctor not a doorstop. What do you want me to do?

Jan 04 19:33

DaemonFC[m]

Crusher: I don't know. Do a dance. Tell a story. Stall them!

Jan 04 19:33

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Jan 04 19:34

DaemonFC[m]

So it’s as sort of second-hand account.

Jan 04 19:34

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: a secondhand account

Jan 04 19:35

schestowitz__

i find some more minor typos

Jan 04 19:35

schestowitz__

didn't know secondhand was OK as one word

Jan 04 19:35

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah.

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe it oughtn’t be so shocking and here are some portions of the long text:

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DaemonFC[m]

"Maybe it shouldn't be so shocking. Here are some portions of the long text:"

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DaemonFC[m]

biggybacking?

Jan 04 19:37

DaemonFC[m]

piggybacking

Jan 04 19:37

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

evades me

schestowitz__

big pig that one...

DaemonFC[m]

I looked up this attorney's office location.

DaemonFC[m]

Only about a mile from where I lived with John in Rogers Park.