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| ---MinceR gives voice to gde33 | Aug 05 00:01 | |
| MrGreenFriend | DaemonFC[m], MinceR, a bigger problem with Samsung phones is the locked-bootloader, in USA. (other countries' variants allow unlocking-bootloader, available on Ebay) The eternal debate is: Who to blame: USA Carriers or Samsung? i would say Samsung, b/c even if you buy a carrier-unlocked phone outright(i.e. pay the full $1000 up front at Best Buy/Frys/Microcenter)--- it is still Locked-Bootloader | Aug 05 00:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well Samsung offered a $300 Best Buy card on the Sprint model, which you can turn right back around and use as a down payment on the phone itself. | Aug 05 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the unlocked model was not just full price, but $150 more than the Sprint model was _before_ the rebate. | Aug 05 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, effectively twice as expensive to get an unlocked phone. | Aug 05 00:18 |
| MinceR | a general problem is that even if you can change the firmware, you can only do so risking bricking every time | Aug 05 00:19 |
| MinceR | even though there's an obvious way to change OS-es on PC-s without risking bricking | Aug 05 00:19 |
| MrGreenFriend | well, more important than debating, is Voting with your Dollars/Euros-- and only buy phones with *unlockable-Bootloaders* | Aug 05 00:19 |
| MrGreenFriend | DaemonFC[m], good point, those are big carrier-discounts. However, other manufacturers besides Samsung allow unlocking bootloader- (even when bought with the carrier-discount): Google, OnePlus, Motorola, etc. You have to double-check the model/carrier, b/c the list is always changing. https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/89zzo1/why_are_people_accepting_phones_with_locked/ | Aug 05 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why are people accepting phones with locked bootloaders and other anti root measures? : Android | Aug 05 00:33 | |
| MrGreenFriend | https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/7c94vn/samsung_not_letting_us_unlock_the_bootloaders_on/ | Aug 05 00:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Samsung not letting us unlock the bootloaders on this year's SD Galaxies just doesn't make any sense. : Android | Aug 05 00:35 | |
| MrGreenFriend | Historically, and currently, Verizon has the worst track record. i hear AT&T is getting just as bad-- [of locking-bootloader-- even *after* they Carrier-Unlock it for you] | Aug 05 00:40 |
| scientes | just don't buy phones in the US | Aug 05 00:40 |
| scientes | no other countries lock phones | Aug 05 00:40 |
| *scientes wonders if Huawei's support carrier locking | Aug 05 00:40 | |
| MrGreenFriend | scientes, yup, ebay is a good option for Americans wanting Samsung's with unlocked-bootloader. i think the best bang-for-buck this year, is "Google Pixel 3a" (for USA phones with unlockable-bootloader) Bonus: it has a headphone-jack & a Plastic-Back! :) https://www.androidcentral.com/best-phone-rooting-and-modding | Aug 05 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | Best Android Phones for Rooting and Modding in 2019 | Android Central | Aug 05 00:51 | |
| scientes | MrGreenFriend, why do you need an expensive phone? | Aug 05 00:51 |
| scientes | 10 years ago no-one dared create such an expensive phone, because people wouldn't buy them | Aug 05 00:52 |
| scientes | the only reason people buy expensive phones is because they are making up for small penises | Aug 05 00:52 |
| scientes | those expensive phone gets less battery life | Aug 05 00:54 |
| scientes | and the cheap phones get new versions of android first | Aug 05 00:54 |
| scientes | and those expensive phone still get abandoned by the carrier very fast | Aug 05 00:54 |
| MinceR | sadly, pixels have no memory card slots | Aug 05 00:55 |
| MinceR | (or user-replaceable batteries) | Aug 05 00:55 |
| scientes | that's on purpose | Aug 05 00:55 |
| scientes | they hate you | Aug 05 00:55 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 05 00:55 |
| MrGreenFriend | scientes, OG Pixel is ~$60 used. Pixel 3a is ~$250 used. that is not too expensive. | Aug 05 00:55 |
| scientes | its Google's phone, and then they make you pay for it | Aug 05 00:55 |
| scientes | > OG Pixel is ~$60 used. | Aug 05 00:55 |
| scientes | MinceR, also phones that do have memory card slots these days can hardly use them | Aug 05 00:55 |
| scientes | you generally can't put apps there (even massive ones like Youtube Go) | Aug 05 00:56 |
| scientes | its like they just refuse to use Linux even though its right there /half sarcasm | Aug 05 00:56 |
| MinceR | even nexii stopped having memory card slots long ago | Aug 05 00:56 |
| MinceR | it seems the mobile industry shifted to reverse gear long ago | Aug 05 00:57 |
| MinceR | it's developing backwards | Aug 05 00:57 |
| scientes | indeed | Aug 05 00:57 |
| scientes | less battery life, less usefulness | Aug 05 00:57 |
| scientes | and giant phones | Aug 05 00:57 |
| scientes | Battery | Aug 05 00:57 |
| scientes | Pixel: 2,770 mAh | Aug 05 00:57 |
| scientes | Pixel XL: 3,450 mAh | Aug 05 00:57 |
| scientes | that's shit | Aug 05 00:57 |
| MrGreenFriend | scientes, i don't need an expensive phone to 'make up for something small' haha. $60 is fine for me. but here is a funny video u reminded me of: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SV9Uu2T0q0E | Aug 05 00:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Guys With Crappy Cars Must Have Huge Dongs - YouTube | Aug 05 00:58 | |
| scientes | who cares if it has a 1080p screen if it doesn't even last a dayu | Aug 05 00:58 |
| scientes | this is what i have https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_e5-9008.php | Aug 05 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Motorola Moto E5 - Full phone specifications | Aug 05 00:59 | |
| scientes | no this one https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_e5_plus-9095.php | Aug 05 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Motorola Moto E5 Plus - Full phone specifications | Aug 05 00:59 | |
| scientes | bigger battery | Aug 05 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DaemonFC, good point, those are big carrier-discounts. However, other manufacturers besides Samsung allow unlocking bootloader- (even when bought with the carrier-discount): Google, OnePlus, Motorola, etc. You have to double-check the model/carrier, b/c the list is always changing. https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/89zzo1/why_are_people_accepting_phones_with_locked/ | Aug 05 01:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why are people accepting phones with locked bootloaders and other anti root measures? : Android | Aug 05 01:02 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The carriers throw in big discounts because it more or less traps you with them. | Aug 05 01:02 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], did you just talk to yourself? | Aug 05 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sprint phones are the cheapest because even though they are required to unlock them, the phones are CDMA and don't work properly on other networks anyway. | Aug 05 01:02 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], why did you talk to yourself? | Aug 05 01:03 |
| MrGreenFriend | scientes, that was my quote ^ | Aug 05 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Aug 05 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sorry. Riot/IRC. Forgot. | Aug 05 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I live in a hotel now. | Aug 05 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I paid up through February. | Aug 05 01:04 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], how much do you pay a month? | Aug 05 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $1050 once I go tax-free, but the first 45 days of taxes get refunded. | Aug 05 01:05 |
| scientes | a MONTH! | Aug 05 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Aug 05 01:05 |
| scientes | the US is a world of insanity | Aug 05 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's about what an unfurnished studio with no utilities is going for in Waukegan. | Aug 05 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Except that I can't rent an apartment. | Aug 05 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With what my ex accused me of still pending before the courts. | Aug 05 01:07 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], you just got divorced? | Aug 05 01:08 |
| scientes | or another woman? | Aug 05 01:08 |
| scientes | Yeah, that's another reason I had to leave | Aug 05 01:08 |
| MrGreenFriend | the way i look at it.. Phones bloatware is the same as Laptops/Desktops bloatware: i am fine with all the garbage bloatware Windows10/CandyCrush/etc, preinstalled on computers--- Just wipe it & install Linux. (while keeping all those bloatware-discounts(built into the price))-- same with phone, just wipe it (*unlocked-bootloader*) and install Custom OS ;) | Aug 05 01:08 |
| scientes | the women are pretty worthless | Aug 05 01:08 |
| scientes | MrGreenFriend, except you can re-install your laptop/desktop | Aug 05 01:08 |
| scientes | with cell phones your are fucked with a non-mainline kernel with all sorts of non-free shit | Aug 05 01:09 |
| scientes | and also totally shit quality | Aug 05 01:09 |
| MrGreenFriend | i can send u guys the video & book, "Divorce Corp", if ya want. *Spoiler Alert* the Lawyers make *tons* of money in divorce-cases. | Aug 05 01:12 |
| scientes | there is absolutely no reason to get married in the US | Aug 05 01:12 |
| scientes | its a fraud | Aug 05 01:12 |
| scientes | and an extortion racket | Aug 05 01:12 |
| MrGreenFriend | scientes, u saw the movie? | Aug 05 01:13 |
| scientes | no | Aug 05 01:13 |
| scientes | but I've looked at the way welfare works | Aug 05 01:13 |
| scientes | and social security | Aug 05 01:13 |
| scientes | and also, who would want to marry a american woman (no offense to latinas) | Aug 05 01:13 |
| scientes | seriously? | Aug 05 01:13 |
| scientes | I'd dated plenty, and they are disposable, worthless, and greedy | Aug 05 01:14 |
| scientes | they also have serious angst problems | Aug 05 01:14 |
| scientes | school teaches them to hate men | Aug 05 01:14 |
| scientes | and they will also reject you if you don't bend over backwards for the gays | Aug 05 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | scientes He brought another man home, spent the evening making out with him on the couch, and then they accused me of assault. | Aug 05 01:18 |
| scientes | *She | Aug 05 01:19 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], exactly, american women are worthless | Aug 05 01:19 |
| scientes | you should leave the country | Aug 05 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm now married and living in a hotel, I'm out on bail, and awaiting another court date. | Aug 05 01:19 |
| MrGreenFriend | wow, that is messed up | Aug 05 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I moved to a hotel in the city the court is in. | Aug 05 01:19 |
| MrGreenFriend | scientes, so what is the best country to live in? | Aug 05 01:19 |
| scientes | they won't stop you from leaving unless you own more than $20,000 of FEDERAL taxes | Aug 05 01:19 |
| scientes | MrGreenFriend, the moon | Aug 05 01:20 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], MrGreenFriend this stuff is VERY common | Aug 05 01:20 |
| scientes | https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229 | Aug 05 01:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | NO TITLE | Aug 05 01:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes. | Aug 05 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a misdemeanor. | Aug 05 01:21 |
| scientes | there is no rule of law in the US | Aug 05 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not going to Roman Polanski myself over a misdemeanor. | Aug 05 01:21 |
| scientes | its just about extracting money | Aug 05 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes. | Aug 05 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My lawyer says the fallout is likely to mainly be a fine. | Aug 05 01:21 |
| scientes | but there is no culture in the US | Aug 05 01:22 |
| scientes | people don't give a shit about each other | Aug 05 01:22 |
| MrGreenFriend | scientes, Ha, Jeff Bezos just lost $38 BILLION to divorce. maybe that is whey he wants to move to the moon ;) https://interestingengineering.com/jeff-bezos-sold-18-billion-of-amazon-stock-to-fund-space-venture | Aug 05 01:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-interestingengineering.com | Jeff Bezos Sold $1.8 Billion of Amazon Stock for Space Venture | Aug 05 01:23 | |
| scientes | added to ignore list | Aug 05 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The bail is $2,500, but they didn't make me pay it. | Aug 05 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It turns into a fine if I miss a court date. | Aug 05 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois is big on bail reform. Keeping people locked up awaiting trial when they were unlikely to do anything if they were released was costing a lot of money. | Aug 05 01:24 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], how bad does it have to get? | Aug 05 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not really bad, I don't think. | Aug 05 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Disturbing the peace. | Aug 05 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Something like that. | Aug 05 01:26 |
| MrGreenFriend | scientes, ignore list? my "Ha" was about you recommending living on the moon. (i am not laughing at Bezon losing in divorce court) | Aug 05 01:27 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], you put your penis into that worthless waste of air | Aug 05 01:27 |
| scientes | doesn't that give you pause? | Aug 05 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It could if I let it. | Aug 05 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, after this is all over, my car is going back. | Aug 05 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My ex is on the loan and the title jointly. | Aug 05 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He is quite, quite vulnerable to a lawsuit. | Aug 05 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not. | Aug 05 01:29 |
| scientes | She | Aug 05 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why do you keep saying she? | Aug 05 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's been long enough since I've had sex with him that I know I didn't get a disease from him. | Aug 05 01:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's that, I guess. | Aug 05 01:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Given that I was apparently standing in line behind anything he could find on grindr in Chicago, that's a miracle in itself. | Aug 05 01:30 |
| psydroid | scientes, I felt this really strongly in Ireland and specifically Dublin, where I spent almost two years of my life living and working. Everything was about earning more and more money and screwing people over, so as a participant in the job market you keep looking for better and better-paying opportunities because expenses keep rising astronomically as well. | Aug 05 01:33 |
| scientes | psydroid, it doesn't make any sense | Aug 05 01:33 |
| scientes | and those the rent places are the most bored, and thus most greedy | Aug 05 01:34 |
| psydroid | to me it felt like the US lack of culture had been imported to Ireland wholesale | Aug 05 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there are signs in the US economy that we're due for another recession. | Aug 05 01:34 |
| scientes | yes | Aug 05 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Default rates are up, interest rates are being cut again.... | Aug 05 01:34 |
| scientes | I see it in tourists in South America | Aug 05 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those are some big ones. | Aug 05 01:35 |
| scientes | disposable and worthless people | Aug 05 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say it's too soon to speculate about size of recession. | Aug 05 01:35 |
| scientes | I spent most my life not working, as you don't have to do that in the US, and no-one gave a shit about me, so why should I care about the system? | Aug 05 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But given that the federal government is split and the Republicans don't really want to respond to recessions with stimulus money and the tax cuts fizzled out after causing the deficit to blow up.... | Aug 05 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say pretty long recession. | Aug 05 01:36 |
| scientes | most people's interaction with you is to see whether they can get money out of you | Aug 05 01:36 |
| scientes | well I shouldn't be that pessimistic | Aug 05 01:36 |
| scientes | but yes, the culture is much worse than it was in the 90s | Aug 05 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, well, the boom bust cycle used to be fueled by credit. | Aug 05 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People would file bankruptcy in waves and wipe it all off the books. | Aug 05 01:36 |
| scientes | and there is no consideration of the people at the other end of that money | Aug 05 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then they'd start over. Finally, the banks demanded more protection from victims of high interest lending. | Aug 05 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So when the housing scam fell over and bankruptcy reform was in place, and wages were (still are) stagnant..... | Aug 05 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was no way that people could just wipe all their debts clean and start over and buy more shit with the bank's money. | Aug 05 01:37 |
| scientes | and if you think about it, its also a rip off | Aug 05 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's how it used to work, you know. | Aug 05 01:38 |
| scientes | most things are grossly over-priced | Aug 05 01:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'd send credit cards to everyone. Your dog. | Aug 05 01:38 |
| scientes | like you spend $10, and the person that actually did the work gets like $0.10 | Aug 05 01:38 |
| scientes | this isn't what Adam Smith was talking aout | Aug 05 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not even. | Aug 05 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I figured it out one day a long time ago that the company I worked for at the time made about 35 times what they were paying me off of my labor. | Aug 05 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Labor doesn't have much power in the US, because the government does everything it can do to sabotage unions and keep workers from making more money than it takes to eek by. | Aug 05 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This forces very nearly everyone to go into debt until they can't do it anymore and collapse. | Aug 05 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the banks eventually get around to seeing if they can be sued and if they have anything to take. | Aug 05 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So people give up and try to file bankruptcy. | Aug 05 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people in the middle class end up being forced into a debt repayment program overseen by the courts that doesn't wipe out most of their debt, it just consolidates it into a lump sum that they have to pay every month for 5 years before it's over. | Aug 05 01:42 |
| scientes | the system is powered by gravity, and the people with the least morals fall to the bottom | Aug 05 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you do qualify for a total elimination of debt, it's because you make less than the median income for your household size in your state. | Aug 05 01:43 |
| gde33 | it all only starts to make perfect sense when you ask people to get organized | Aug 05 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For what it's worth, about 100,000 households file bankruptcy of some kind every week. | Aug 05 01:43 |
| gde33 | the moaning/excuses not to explains everything | Aug 05 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So while people shame you for it, a lot of people end up doing it. | Aug 05 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I know people who have been through it two or three times. | Aug 05 01:44 |
| scientes | and when people get some sense of problems they always say "we" and "us" | Aug 05 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh my god. Medical debt, credit cards, car loans, mortgages.... | Aug 05 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everything you can imagine. | Aug 05 01:44 |
| scientes | "*we* must do something" | Aug 05 01:44 |
| gde33 | imagine what woudl happen if an entire city stopped making rent and mortage payments | Aug 05 01:44 |
| gde33 | will they send in the military? | Aug 05 01:44 |
| scientes | gde33, that is a great idea, but the culture is too shitty | Aug 05 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you can only do it once every 8 years, so make sure you throw everything you can in there while you're at it. | Aug 05 01:44 |
| scientes | and the Syrian wave of worthless people was planned to prevent cultural uprising and destroy culture | Aug 05 01:45 |
| gde33 | scientes: just burn the houses from people who dont want to join | Aug 05 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, I can only imagine what a federal bankruptcy court in Chicago is like. | Aug 05 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The one in Fort Wayne, mom said, was rushing them through one after the other. | Aug 05 01:45 |
| scientes | the people of Europe should have shut down the governments over the Syrians already | Aug 05 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Each case being decided in about 5 minutes by the judge. | Aug 05 01:45 |
| scientes | but instead they are afraid of seeming "intolerant" | Aug 05 01:45 |
| scientes | fucking pussies | Aug 05 01:45 |
| gde33 | what syrians? | Aug 05 01:46 |
| gde33 | they are just one group of people displaced by the warmongering americans moving here | Aug 05 01:46 |
| gde33 | one out of god knows howmany | Aug 05 01:46 |
| scientes | I meet worthless spineless europeans all the time | Aug 05 01:47 |
| scientes | mindless idiots | Aug 05 01:47 |
| gde33 | yes, but they are the reason we need the migrants | Aug 05 01:47 |
| scientes | they will destroy society | Aug 05 01:47 |
| scientes | there will be no society left | Aug 05 01:48 |
| gde33 | I looked at age distribution predictions decades ago | Aug 05 01:48 |
| scientes | then start having sex | Aug 05 01:48 |
| scientes | its pretty simple | Aug 05 01:48 |
| scientes | and let the old people die | Aug 05 01:48 |
| gde33 | some how, magically, 20 years ago there was no prediction for masses of old people to dominate the demography | Aug 05 01:48 |
| scientes | society is more important | Aug 05 01:48 |
| scientes | without society you are just barbarians | Aug 05 01:48 |
| scientes | and that is the direction europe is going | Aug 05 01:48 |
| gde33 | in fact, 20 years ago the predictions showed large numbers of young people miraculously appearing | Aug 05 01:48 |
| scientes | but that isn't society | Aug 05 01:49 |
| scientes | that is just worship of banking | Aug 05 01:49 |
| scientes | focus on keeping society going | Aug 05 01:49 |
| scientes | becuase its quickly disappearing in europe | Aug 05 01:49 |
| scientes | long gone in the US | Aug 05 01:49 |
| gde33 | it was always a bunch of nodding idiots here | Aug 05 01:49 |
| gde33 | the US copied the model nicely | Aug 05 01:50 |
| scientes | idiots are fine if they are confined to their own loony bins | Aug 05 01:50 |
| scientes | as long as they can't destroy society | Aug 05 01:50 |
| gde33 | not really, for a democracy to work you need as high as possible averages | Aug 05 01:50 |
| scientes | non-sense | Aug 05 01:50 |
| scientes | that's formal democracy | Aug 05 01:51 |
| scientes | which is a very small part of democracy | Aug 05 01:51 |
| gde33 | I know, a working democracy is a highly hypothetical thing | Aug 05 01:51 |
| scientes | I have seen South America | Aug 05 01:51 |
| scientes | I now know what culture looks like | Aug 05 01:51 |
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| gde33 | scientes: hah yes | Aug 05 01:51 |
| scientes | and the US is an utterly worthless place | Aug 05 01:51 |
| scientes | and based on the EU tourists I see, Europe is too | Aug 05 01:51 |
| gde33 | it takes a special kind of europian to want to visit the US out of all places | Aug 05 01:52 |
| gde33 | most can not aford it | Aug 05 01:52 |
| gde33 | kind of silly to go there if you can go to Turkey | Aug 05 01:52 |
| scientes | yeah Turkey and Iran probably have nice cultures | Aug 05 01:52 |
| gde33 | Turkey is rappidly discarding theirs | Aug 05 01:53 |
| scientes | and Egypt, and Tunisia and Morocco | Aug 05 01:53 |
| scientes | meh, Turkey decided to fuck the US financial system | Aug 05 01:53 |
| scientes | so give them props for that | Aug 05 01:53 |
| gde33 | I hear some damn facinating stories about the way turks use to go about doing things. | Aug 05 01:53 |
| scientes | go one... | Aug 05 01:54 |
| gde33 | they for example use to build houses at the edge of cities, just gather with a bunch of folk and make a mud or poop house | Aug 05 01:54 |
| gde33 | finish it in one day | Aug 05 01:54 |
| gde33 | let it dry and plaster it nicely | Aug 05 01:54 |
| gde33 | then, some months or years later, the city officals would have it demolished | Aug 05 01:54 |
| gde33 | usually the same group of people would go there the next day and rebuild it exactly the way it was | Aug 05 01:55 |
| scientes | that is awesome | Aug 05 01:55 |
| scientes | Peru is kinda like that | Aug 05 01:55 |
| gde33 | until the city eventually gave up pumping money into it and retroactively added entire blocks to the city | Aug 05 01:55 |
| scientes | and they actually had the intelligence to build houses on the hills and keep the fields | Aug 05 01:55 |
| scientes | to some degree | Aug 05 01:55 |
| gde33 | just to save face | Aug 05 01:55 |
| scientes | not in Lima however | Aug 05 01:55 |
| gde33 | another hilarious story.... | Aug 05 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "she" – so, have you figured out that DaemonFC[m] really means "he"? %) | Aug 05 01:56 |
| gde33 | villagers would ask their neigubours for something, as a rule one would always say yes | Aug 05 01:56 |
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| gde33 | for compensation one would gift the neigbour something, usually something they didnt need | Aug 05 01:56 |
| scientes | XRevan86, in the US and EU you can't tell anymore, because they are so intelligent they have given up the meanings to these words | Aug 05 01:56 |
| gde33 | then they woudl accept it and say uhhh thanks... I guess.... | Aug 05 01:56 |
| gde33 | over many many years everyone in the village owed some debt to some neigbours going back many generations | Aug 05 01:57 |
| gde33 | this made everyone rediculously polite | Aug 05 01:57 |
| scientes | gde33, that is the normal way of things | Aug 05 01:57 |
| scientes | that is how humans function in all places and at all times except now | Aug 05 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Uh… not in this situation. | Aug 05 01:58 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes | Aug 05 01:58 |
| gde33 | like, my great grandpa build your family home 70 years ago and you've never paid him for it | Aug 05 01:58 |
| scientes | gde33, yeah, that is normal | Aug 05 01:58 |
| gde33 | so if I need your donkey you will give it to me for the day | Aug 05 01:58 |
| gde33 | the next family is in debt with everyone so they take the cows to pasture forever | Aug 05 01:59 |
| scientes | gde33, that is how most economies function in history, with only luxuries being subject to money exchanges | Aug 05 01:59 |
| gde33 | one funny itteration: 3 carpenter shops in the same street, technically competitors, had so many favours to cash in from the next that they just walked in and borrowed equipment without asking | Aug 05 02:00 |
| gde33 | the turks also had a weird practish of not paying wages in time or not at all | Aug 05 02:01 |
| gde33 | the employer would only pay them if the situation was bad enough for them to stop working | Aug 05 02:01 |
| scientes | its like that in the Peruvian markets | Aug 05 02:02 |
| scientes | 1) you get a high price from one seller, and then another seller offers you a better price | Aug 05 02:02 |
| scientes | 2) when you got the next time to the seller that had the better price, he doesn't have what you are buying, so he goes to the seller that offered the higher price and gets it for you at the lower price | Aug 05 02:03 |
| gde33 | of course there are still communities that share their finances | Aug 05 02:04 |
| gde33 | also in the west | Aug 05 02:04 |
| scientes | although here in Arequipa avocato is really expensive despite it being grown not far away | Aug 05 02:05 |
| scientes | its because the locals just can't afford it | Aug 05 02:05 |
| scientes | so a market doesn't develop | Aug 05 02:05 |
| gde33 | I had an argument one time with a land lord who didnt want to rent to me becasue he didnt trust my ability to pay. I simply added 5 other people to the rent contract for him to collect from. The need for financial rituals seemed to evaporate at that point With just 6 people | Aug 05 02:06 |
| scientes | what country? | Aug 05 02:06 |
| gde33 | NL | Aug 05 02:06 |
| scientes | but rent is so redicuously high | Aug 05 02:06 |
| scientes | being people hate each other | Aug 05 02:07 |
| gde33 | its to engineer the demography | Aug 05 02:07 |
| gde33 | it would be much more efficient to just require a high income from renters | Aug 05 02:08 |
| gde33 | then charge them the appropriate 50 euro in stead of 1200 | Aug 05 02:08 |
| scientes | its more than that | Aug 05 02:08 |
| gde33 | 50 is enough to get the all risk insurance on the building, after they are done renting it the building is still there | Aug 05 02:08 |
| gde33 | probably worth a lot more | Aug 05 02:09 |
| scientes | most people have no idea why they have so much money | Aug 05 02:09 |
| scientes | so they have to use hate to justify it | Aug 05 02:09 |
| scientes | and fear | Aug 05 02:09 |
| gde33 | yes | Aug 05 02:09 |
| gde33 | I like to torture them by explaining how people live on small incomes | Aug 05 02:10 |
| gde33 | they try to force that picture out of their mind | Aug 05 02:10 |
| scientes | yes, and they also complain horribly | Aug 05 02:10 |
| scientes | about everything | Aug 05 02:10 |
| gde33 | haha yes | Aug 05 02:10 |
| scientes | especially about how little money they have | Aug 05 02:10 |
| scientes | The woman I am renting from now is like that | Aug 05 02:11 |
| gde33 | but isnt that their right? are they not suppose to? | Aug 05 02:11 |
| scientes | she gets all her money from her kids, and she sits on her ass all day and watches sitcoms | Aug 05 02:11 |
| scientes | and then complains about how little money she has | Aug 05 02:11 |
| gde33 | how old? | Aug 05 02:11 |
| scientes | i would guess 50 | Aug 05 02:11 |
| scientes | or 55 | Aug 05 02:11 |
| gde33 | get a job | Aug 05 02:12 |
| scientes | except that would make a tiny fraction of the money she has | Aug 05 02:12 |
| scientes | this is Peru | Aug 05 02:12 |
| gde33 | ah ok | Aug 05 02:12 |
| scientes | she would rather chat up her maid | Aug 05 02:12 |
| gde33 | oh she has a maid too? | Aug 05 02:12 |
| gde33 | that doesnt sound very poor | Aug 05 02:13 |
| scientes | yeah, but its the mindset | Aug 05 02:13 |
| scientes | when you don't understand where your money comes from you don't know what to do but complain about not having enough | Aug 05 02:13 |
| scientes | because you are worthless and disposable, and you know it | Aug 05 02:13 |
| scientes | most people in the US are like this | Aug 05 02:13 |
| scientes | and many I meet from Europe too | Aug 05 02:13 |
| gde33 | to give an example of what I mean. I frequently complaint to management at work about them not giving enough hours to employees. | Aug 05 02:14 |
| scientes | in the US it doesn't matter how "poor" you are | Aug 05 02:14 |
| gde33 | the employees do not complaint, I complaint for them | Aug 05 02:14 |
| scientes | I mean in the US the government feeds you lobster if you don't do anything | Aug 05 02:14 |
| gde33 | social support here is 1080, the employees with insufficient hours earn 1200 | Aug 05 02:14 |
| scientes | gde33, which would be fine if it didn't all go to scumbag extortion rackets | Aug 05 02:15 |
| gde33 | when I visualize the way they are living the managers try to bail out of the conversation | Aug 05 02:15 |
| scientes | I didn't even go to college, because the system was already that bad | Aug 05 02:15 |
| gde33 | like a full mental shut down | Aug 05 02:15 |
| scientes | gde33, ahh yes good for you | Aug 05 02:15 |
| gde33 | not really, it just bothers me working with people who cant make ends meet | Aug 05 02:16 |
| scientes | but as you are explaining---its cultural collapse | Aug 05 02:16 |
| gde33 | yes | Aug 05 02:16 |
| gde33 | its some reasonably new managment scheme to have people work so hard that 3 days per week is all they can handle | Aug 05 02:18 |
| scientes | it will get worse | Aug 05 02:18 |
| scientes | much worse | Aug 05 02:18 |
| scientes | you have to unite and kick out the syrians | Aug 05 02:18 |
| gde33 | if you give them a 4th day they will be less productive | Aug 05 02:18 |
| scientes | but europeans are just too impotent these days for something like that | Aug 05 02:18 |
| gde33 | what is wrong with the syrians you imagine? | Aug 05 02:18 |
| scientes | they are a totally differn't culture | Aug 05 02:19 |
| scientes | they don't bother to learn the language | Aug 05 02:19 |
| gde33 | the ones I work with hate their culture, they keep arguing how much better ours is | Aug 05 02:19 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian: Resilient Linux, Debian Activities and Debian Upgrade http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126616 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f16845d9-0155-406d-a455-ee9ee86aeeff] | Aug 05 02:19 | |
| scientes | they are being housed for free for god's sake | Aug 05 02:19 |
| scientes | its madness | Aug 05 02:19 |
| gde33 | lots of them work, they are hard working ppl | Aug 05 02:19 |
| gde33 | much harder than dutch folk | Aug 05 02:19 |
| scientes | gde33, I know some damn hard working Dutch-Americans | Aug 05 02:20 |
| scientes | Amish, Afrikaans, too | Aug 05 02:20 |
| scientes | its a cultural thing | Aug 05 02:20 |
| scientes | I didn't do jack shit when I was in the US | Aug 05 02:20 |
| scientes | and now I work hard | Aug 05 02:20 |
| gde33 | they are being housed for free because the israelis and the USA want it | Aug 05 02:20 |
| scientes | but there is no reason to work when your culture is shit, and you don't have to work to survive | Aug 05 02:21 |
| gde33 | we always nod when ordered to do things like that | Aug 05 02:21 |
| scientes | also Angela Merkel | Aug 05 02:21 |
| gde33 | she also works for the israeli gov | Aug 05 02:21 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDQDyt0B-1E | Aug 05 02:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Putin trolls Germans: You don't want gas or the nuclear energy, so you will heat on a firewood? - YouTube | Aug 05 02:22 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos and more http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126617 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1cc44a34-f616-4d9b-906f-baa0993010c7] | Aug 05 02:22 | |
| gde33 | fun fact, the german farmers make more than enough biogas for entire europe. They are not allowed to pump it into the grid because that would mean some people would get supperior gas while others would be using russian gas. | Aug 05 02:23 |
| scientes | wow, putin is so young in that video | Aug 05 02:24 |
| gde33 | why exactly the politicans want the russian gas I dont know | Aug 05 02:24 |
| gde33 | but it is obvious there is no need for it | Aug 05 02:24 |
| scientes | gde33, you are delusional, I am going to /ignore you | Aug 05 02:24 |
| gde33 | look into the german biogas, they are making electricity from it | Aug 05 02:24 |
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| gde33 | numbers dont lie | Aug 05 02:25 |
| gde33 | no amount of funny talking points or other ignorant remarks changes the numbers | Aug 05 02:28 |
| gde33 | the push back against biogas is such that NL is going ot phase out gas entirely | Aug 05 02:29 |
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| gde33 | facinating, apparently there are developments in the right direction since I last looked | Aug 05 02:42 |
| gde33 | https://bioenergyinternational.com/opinion-commentary/great-potential-and-huge-challenges-ahead-for-the-german-biogas-sector | Aug 05 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bioenergyinternational.com | Great potential and huge challenges ahead for the German biogas sector | Bioenergy International | Aug 05 02:45 | |
| gde33 | https://www.europenowjournal.org/2019/05/06/biomethane-the-future-fuel-for-europe-%EF%BB%BF/ | Aug 05 02:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.europenowjournal.org | Biomethane: The Future Fuel for Europe – EuropeNow | Aug 05 02:55 | |
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| schestowitz | <strong>IRC Proceedings: May 20th, 2019 – May 26th, 2019</strong> | Aug 05 04:03 |
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| schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/116px-Gartoon-Gedit-icon.png" border="0" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="GNOME Gedit" /></a></p></td> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/116px-Gartoon-Gedit-icon.png" border="0" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="GNOME Gedit" /></a></p></td> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | </tr> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | <tr> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log">#techrights log</a></p></td> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log">#boycottnovell log</a></p></td> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | </tr> | Aug 05 04:03 |
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| schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/116px-Gartoon-Gedit-icon.png" border="0" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="GNOME Gedit" /></a></p></td> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log"><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/116px-Gartoon-Gedit-icon.png" border="0" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="GNOME Gedit" /></a></p></td> | Aug 05 04:03 |
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| schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log">#boycottnovell-social log</a></p></td> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | <td><p align="center"><a href="" title="Read the log">#techbytes log</a></p></td> | Aug 05 04:03 |
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| schestowitz | <p align="center"> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | <font size="5"><a href="/irc-channel/" title="IRC Channel">Enter the IRC channels now</a></font> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | </p> | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | oops | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | sorry | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | that's the IRC template | Aug 05 04:03 |
| schestowitz | wrong windows | Aug 05 04:03 |
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| schestowitz | just finished 4 months' logs | Aug 05 05:48 |
| schestowitz | published, tidied up | Aug 05 05:48 |
| schestowitz | took 'only' 3 hours this time | Aug 05 05:49 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, u can search for other photos of Dell Restore CD, the Windows Logo is not on them: https://www.google.com/search?q=dell+restore+cd&tbm=isch | Aug 05 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dell restore cd - Google Search | Aug 05 05:56 | |
| MrGreenFriend | nor is the Microsoft Logo on them | Aug 05 05:57 |
| schestowitz | yes, I can imagine | Aug 05 05:59 |
| schestowitz | there's more to it than Windows | Aug 05 05:59 |
| schestowitz | has things like drivers, too | Aug 05 05:59 |
| schestowitz | these are just plain images | Aug 05 05:59 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, why would USPIRG claim he put the Microsoft Logo on the discs (when they seem to be on his side)? "Eric did put the Microsoft logo on the disk, which is a copyright violation" | Aug 05 06:00 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: what claims does this rebut? | Aug 05 06:00 |
| schestowitz | or who made the claim? | Aug 05 06:00 |
| MrGreenFriend | huh? in this context, USPIRG is referring to the printing on the outside of the physical disc, not the software inside. | Aug 05 06:01 |
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| schestowitz | thanks, added to my notes | Aug 05 06:01 |
| MrGreenFriend | i dunno who started that claim, but i have seen it repeated. U can see the photo i linked above. the Microsoft Logo is *not* printed on the disc | Aug 05 06:02 |
| MrGreenFriend | MrGreenFriend> schestowitz, thanks for that article. one point that would need fact-checking: The M$ logo was *not* on the restore discs. (i only see the Dell logo. You?) Here is a photo of it https://www.extremetech.com/computing/268300-man-gets-15-month-prison-sentence-microsoft-windows-restore | Aug 05 06:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Man Gets 15-Month Sentence for Selling Windows Restore Discs - ExtremeTech | Aug 05 06:03 | |
| schestowitz | thanks, I will correct that and highlight this pattern | Aug 05 06:03 |
| schestowitz | today I will write about Nadella fleeing | Aug 05 06:04 |
| schestowitz | a bit of a spoiler, I know | Aug 05 06:04 |
| MrGreenFriend | search the word "logo" on ur story , or this page. this is the false reporting that i am referring to: https://uspirg.org/feature/usp/stand-repair | Aug 05 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uspirg.org | Stand Up For Repair | U.S. PIRG | Aug 05 06:11 | |
| MrGreenFriend | the only Logo on the disc is the DELL Logo. | Aug 05 06:13 |
| schestowitz | I'll speed up the recycling stories in case MSFT comes up with googlebombing today. | Aug 05 07:35 |
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| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: the Microsoft registered trademark logo is on that disc as well. | Aug 05 07:44 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: in the Microsoft font. | Aug 05 07:45 |
| schestowitz | >> I'll speed up the recycling stories in case MSFT comes up with | Aug 05 07:46 |
| schestowitz | >> googlebombing today. | Aug 05 07:46 |
| schestowitz | > They'll try something. They have been active for ages against negative | Aug 05 07:46 |
| schestowitz | > press and in recent years against the Right to Repair. | Aug 05 07:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 05 07:46 |
| schestowitz | > If you can, please add an "update" paragraph in near the top the first | Aug 05 07:46 |
| schestowitz | > one [1] pointing to the summary for the whole series. That first one | Aug 05 07:46 |
| schestowitz | > looks like it will show up over at SN round 10:30 AM your time. | Aug 05 07:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 05 07:46 |
| schestowitz | > [1]http://techrights.org/2019/07/26/story-of-eric-lundgren/ | Aug 05 07:46 |
| schestowitz | OK, I will add the index to the bunch of them, even if the index is far from complete. | Aug 05 07:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Legal Attacks on Eric Lundgren Demonstrate There’s No ‘New’ Microsoft Except a Super-Vicious, Law-Twisting Thug | Techrights | Aug 05 07:46 | |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: that photo the discs had made exact copy of the label. This is different to making 3rd party replacement discs and making a disc that exact match with someone else who is licensed.. | Aug 05 07:51 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: it is possible if you can find the link to download new ISO from Microsoft for XP that are retail class. Yes they even come with a test install key(that will not WGA) So there was not a need to exactly copy the dell discs. | Aug 05 07:59 |
| schestowitz | > Maybe save work by just pointing [1] above to this page: | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2019/07/26/story-of-eric-lundgren/ | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Then update it to include the following but with the activated links: | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Overview | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Part 1: Microsoft’s Legal Attacks on Eric Lundgren Demonstrate There’s | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > No ‘New’ Microsoft Except a Super-Vicious, Law-Twisting Thug | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Part 2: Microsoft Windows Puts Recyclers Like Eric Lundgren in Prison | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > and Patients Six Feet Under the Ground | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Part 3: Microsoft Put an Innocent, Heroic Man in Prison. Then Microsoft | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Ran Away. | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft’s Declaration of War on Recyclers | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Part 4: Microsoft Being Microsoft, Bullying Everyone Who Reduces | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft’s Profits | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > You are here ☞ Part 5: Microsoft’s War on the Right to Repair (One’s Own | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Computers) Makes Lundgren an ‘Enemy’ to Microsoft | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Part 6: Damage Control Mode: Satya Nadella Fleeing Lundgren After | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Realising What Microsoft Had Done | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Part 7: Slander and Libel From Microsoft (Demonising the Victim) | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | > Part 8: Similar High-Profile ‘Bargains’ (Aaron Swartz and Marcus Hutchins) | Aug 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | I'm writing the Nadella part before I'm back to work. Will think how to do the above later. | Aug 05 08:13 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: also Eric Lundgren is still gulity of copying someone else product exactly to the point his copy and orginal could be mixed up with each other. | Aug 05 08:16 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: making third party install media does not give you the right todo that. | Aug 05 08:17 |
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| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, These are the M$ logos. none of them are on the disc. http://blog.gsmarena.com/microsoft-changes-its-logo-for-only-the-third-time-in-its-history-old-one-lasted-25-years/ | Aug 05 08:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.gsmarena.com | Microsoft changes its logo for only the third time in its history, old one lasted 25 years | Aug 05 08:28 | |
| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, here is a close-up of the disc: https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/delldisc.png | Aug 05 08:29 |
| MinceR | do we have a better photo of the disc than that horrible, partially obscured photocopy? | Aug 05 08:29 |
| MinceR | must have been made by a government employee | Aug 05 08:29 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: do you not see the clauses on it. For Distrubution only with a new DELL PC. | Aug 05 08:36 |
| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, my point is the M$ Logo is not on the disc | Aug 05 08:36 |
| MinceR | did someone say it was? | Aug 05 08:38 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: Microsoft with the R symbol after it is a Microsoft registered Logo by the way. | Aug 05 08:38 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: when it in a particular font. | Aug 05 08:38 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: 2 of Microsoft registered Logos are in that image. | Aug 05 08:39 |
| oiaohm | As a replacement disc there was no reason to exactly copy the dell logo including For distrubtion onloy with new DELL PC. | Aug 05 08:40 |
| MrGreenFriend | MinceR, yes, in this article search for "logo" http://techrights.org/2019/08/04/RightToRepair/ | Aug 05 08:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s War on the Right to Repair (One’s Own Computers) Makes Lundgren an ‘Enemy’ to Microsoft | Techrights | Aug 05 08:41 | |
| oiaohm | Also there was no need to use Microsoft fonts to write text on the disc either. | Aug 05 08:41 |
| oiaohm | There is a line between replacement item and counterfeit. | Aug 05 08:42 |
| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, that is not the Logo font, on the disc. Please, look closely. This is the Logo font: http://blog.gsmarena.com/microsoft-changes-its-logo-for-only-the-third-time-in-its-history-old-one-lasted-25-years/ | Aug 05 08:42 |
| oiaohm | If that label did not match but the contents of disc did and it was labeled as a made replacement disc. | Aug 05 08:42 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: you are looking at Microsoft primiany logo. Microsoft has registered more logos and trademarks than just that one. | Aug 05 08:43 |
| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, the logo from the time-period 1987-2012: http://blog.gsmarena.com/microsoft-changes-its-logo-for-only-the-third-time-in-its-history-old-one-lasted-25-years/ | Aug 05 08:43 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: again primiany logo. | Aug 05 08:44 |
| oiaohm | those are not logos registered by Microsoft of their partners to use. | Aug 05 08:44 |
| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, can u send me link of these "secret" logos u speak of? | Aug 05 08:44 |
| oiaohm | What is on that dell disc is logos registered by microsoft for partners to use. | Aug 05 08:44 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: https://partner.microsoft.com/-/media/mssc/mpn/partner/marketing/goldbadge.ashx?h=433&la=en&w=650&hash=B3C913654E6B94F0EEC2B809E3106BC7 Notice the font here. | Aug 05 08:45 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: what on that disc is logo of Microsoft registered by Microsoft for those who are Microsoft partners to use. | Aug 05 08:46 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: of course DELL is a registered partner is is legal to use those logos. | Aug 05 08:47 |
| MrGreenFriend | "A trademark protects a slogan, phrase, word, company name, logo, or design that identifies a company and/or its goods. A logo is a symbol or design used by a company that may fall under trademark protection laws. " https://www.upcounsel.com/trademark-vs-logo | Aug 05 08:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.upcounsel.com | Trademark vs. Logo: Everything You Need to Know | Aug 05 08:47 | |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: In order to receive a trademark on your company logo, you need to submit an application to the United States Patent and Trademark Office. Include an image of the design exactly how you plan to use it.<< Microsoft has done that many times over. | Aug 05 08:49 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: even on basic stuff like word Microsoft with registered symbol after it in a particular font. | Aug 05 08:50 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: Microsoft has a logo thicket around themselves. | Aug 05 08:50 |
| MrGreenFriend | so then that list of M$ logos should be easy to find - which u say matches this restore cd. i haven't seen it yet. there is no reason to keep it a 'secret' | Aug 05 08:51 |
| oiaohm | When you are in the Microsoft partner program they do share a list of them with you. | Aug 05 08:52 |
| oiaohm | Trademark office is not required to publicly publish list of registered Logos in the USA. So they can be used like patent supprise. | Aug 05 08:53 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: basically sometimes you truly hate the USA system. | Aug 05 08:54 |
| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, "Patent Surprise" LOLWTF | Aug 05 08:55 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: what was done with fat32 long filenames where Microsoft published how to process long filenames after people implemented them then went hello we have a patent on that. This is patent supprise. | Aug 05 08:56 |
| oiaohm | They knew they had the patent all along and did you tell you. | Aug 05 08:57 |
| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, they should still show this secret "Patent Surprise" in court--- but they didn't AFAIK. which is why i stand by my point: the M$ Logo is *not* on the disc | Aug 05 08:57 |
| oiaohm | Anyone who had the list of registered logos like I did over 8 years ago is supprised how many entries Microsoft has back then it was over 20 thousand enteries. | Aug 05 08:58 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: the thing is even if you have a logo you don't have to use it. It would only have be used if someone attempted to challange Microsoft reason as a effected party. | Aug 05 08:59 |
| oiaohm | Basically there are Microsoft registered logos on that disc. That Microsoft did not have to use them is most likely that the defence lawyer knew that attempting to say Microsoft was not a effected party was not going to work. | Aug 05 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: Damage Control Mode: Satya #Nadella Fleeing #Lundgren After Realising What #Microsoft Had Done http://techrights.org/2019/08/05/satya-nadella-fleeing-lundgren/ #ewaste #righttorepair | Aug 05 09:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Damage Control Mode: Satya Nadella Fleeing Lundgren After Realising What Microsoft Had Done | Techrights | Aug 05 09:07 | |
| schestowitz | publshed 3 mins ago | Aug 05 09:07 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, thanks | Aug 05 09:07 |
| schestowitz | someone tells me we're about to hit some major site in an hour | Aug 05 09:07 |
| schestowitz | (news hub) | Aug 05 09:07 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft could have handled it way better than they did. Like clearly tell him to junk the discs he made and make another set this time correctly labeled as third party replacements. | Aug 05 09:08 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, so what do u think about oiaohm's theory of "Patent Surprise Logo"? | Aug 05 09:08 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: lot of companies register more logos than they publicly take about. | Aug 05 09:09 |
| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, the discs were alreay seized. He didnt even have them to 'junk'--- oh, u mean before they were seized? yes, that would have been more helpful | Aug 05 09:10 |
| oiaohm | Even after they were seized they could have still done a deal with him where he agreed to allow the discs to be scrapped. | Aug 05 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Just updated (with an index) the introductory part about the #EricLundgren story; please share widely. This is a HUUUGE injustice. It even exposes #corruption in the legal system. http://techrights.org/2019/07/26/story-of-eric-lundgren/ | Aug 05 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Legal Attacks on Eric Lundgren Demonstrate There’s No ‘New’ Microsoft Except a Super-Vicious, Law-Twisting Thug | Techrights | Aug 05 09:11 | |
| oiaohm | and accepted correct terms on how he should have done it. | Aug 05 09:11 |
| oiaohm | But microsoft legal team did not offer that. | Aug 05 09:11 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: it would have been a very different matter if the disc has the words replacement media made by x company for those with legal licenses. | Aug 05 09:13 |
| oiaohm | stuff like that can be winnable in court because the media does not like the genuine stuff and cannot be claimed to be pretending to be so. | Aug 05 09:14 |
| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, yeh, or even better: have the words GNU/Linux without any M$ software :) | Aug 05 09:20 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxNewsToday/comments/cm1v6h/microsofts_war_on_the_right_to_repair_ones_own/ | Aug 05 09:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Microsoft's War on the Right to Repair (One's Own Computers) Makes Lundgren an 'Enemy' to Microsoft : LinuxNewsToday | Aug 05 09:29 | |
| schestowitz | some people reddit it now | Aug 05 09:29 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: the right words on the disc would have opened up fair usage arguement in court. Flat copy of the label blocked that dead. | Aug 05 09:30 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: please note incorrectly replacing like RHEL media could also get you into the same level of trouble. | Aug 05 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Copyright law is an ass at times. When you have legal teams playing total hard ball it turns into something very nasty at times. | Aug 05 09:32 |
| oiaohm | History of Redhat heck even IBM with cases like this is as long as people agree to destroy all the incorrect copies made and will do the process correct in future that is as far as the mess goes. | Aug 05 09:33 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, Nice article, i just read it. :) | Aug 05 09:35 |
| MrGreenFriend | and forwarded it to himi | Aug 05 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/08/05/013251 | Aug 05 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Follow-up Interview with E-Waste Recycler Eric Lundgren - SoylentNews | Aug 05 15:36 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | [Editor's note: We generally try to provide balanced coverage of a story. This interview is "straight from the horse's mouth" and is, therefore, going to contain the biases of the interviewee. Nonetheless, we thought the story interesting enough that we wanted to put it out to the community to discuss. --martyb] | Aug 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | canopic jug writes: | Aug 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz over at Techrights has an informal, follow-up interview with e-waste recycler Eric Lundgren about his ordeal with Microsoft. Lundgren spent time incarcerated as a result of his efforts to re-use old Wintel computers and keep them out of the landfill. He is now finally out of prison. | Aug 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | "The judge didn't understand the difference between a "Restore CD" and a "License"," he complained, "and Microsoft convinced the judge that the "Restore CD" was of equal value and functionality to a new MSFT OS w. new license! I was honestly dumbfounded.. I kept waiting for someone to get it in court .. Instead – The judge threw out all of my expert witness' testimony and only kept Microsoft's testimony.." | Aug 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | [...] Lundgren was sort of tricked if not blackmailed. It was the old trick of plea 'bargain' that was leveraged against him. "They threatened me with 47 Years in Prison," he told us. "So my only choice was to plea-bargain.. I told them I would ONLY plead guilty to "Restore CD Without License" but then Microsoft convinced the judge to value a Restore CD at the SAME VALUE as a Full Microsoft OS w. License!" | Aug 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Earlier on SN: | Aug 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's Full Response to the Lundgren Counterfeiting Conviction (2018) | Aug 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | California Man Loses Appeal in Copyright Infringement Case (2018) | Aug 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | 'E-Waste' Recycling Innovator Faces Prison for Trying to Extend Life Span of PCs (2018) | Aug 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | ' | Aug 05 15:37 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: With counterfeit I wish I could find the link I know the court case was over jeans and a sitch on label that had information on it that could make item appear genuine when it was not. Person in that case in the USA was changed for the full cost of the final product as well. | Aug 05 17:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Restore CD with with a copied label that is not yours. USA law predecented say that fake label put you on the hook for the total value. So attemtping to argue between Restore CD and License was legally dead in the water by prescience. | Aug 05 17:57 |
| oiaohm | Basically you need to able to put the genuine item next to the copy and say look here see this "this disc is replacement by x" or some other line like it to say this is not attempting to appear to be counterfeit. | Aug 05 17:59 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: It the mistake a lot make with counterfeit to done complete cost of final counterfiet item you don't have to copy the complete product just a part that makes that possible. | Aug 05 18:01 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: heck he has to thank his luckly stars that Dell did not do the push on counterfeit it was enough of a part to claim the complete cost of the PC. | Aug 05 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Re: MrGreen coverage at SN | Aug 05 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/08/05/013251 | Aug 05 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 05 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > Some M$ shills are among the commenters. | Aug 05 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Take a look at traffic at TR. Can't quite call it DDOS.... | Aug 05 18:18 |
| schestowitz | "(I work for Microsoft and as such my opinion is invalid.)" | Aug 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz | wow, lots of Microsofters there | Aug 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz | as expected | Aug 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz | wrong, oiaohm | Aug 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz | even the witnesses dispute that | Aug 05 18:36 |
| MinceR | https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2019/08/05 | Aug 05 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pearls Before Swine by Stephan Pastis for August 05, 2019 - GoComics | Aug 05 19:22 | |
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| MinceR | "work" for microsoft | Aug 05 19:22 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: I wish I could find the jeans case. It was against an embroidery company. I remember having to read it when I was doing a network install at an embroidery company. | Aug 05 19:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the precedent is nasty because you intent of usage does not come into it. It the fact you have made a item that can be used for that. | Aug 05 19:59 |
| MinceR | it's almost like when they say viktor orban "works" | Aug 05 19:59 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the problem is that precedent meant the value was always most likely to go total of final product. Just from my work I know about that nasty precedents existence. There was 8 I had to read todo that job. The Jeans one was the most insane.. | Aug 05 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if this one too comes from Microsoft or an agency: | Aug 05 20:10 |
| schestowitz | E-mail comes from atssfl.com | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | yes, atssfl.com | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | https://atssflorida.com/contact.aspx | Aug 05 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-atssflorida.com | Contact Us | Advanced Technology Services & Support | Aug 05 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | "Silver Microsoft Partner" | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | "Dell" | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | -------- Forwarded Message -------- | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Subject: [Techrights] Comment: "Microsoft's Legal Attacks on Eric Lundgren Demonstrate There's No 'New' Microsoft Except a Super-Vicious, Law-Twisting Thug" | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | New comment on your post "Microsoft's Legal Attacks on Eric Lundgren Demonstrate There's No 'New' Microsoft Except a Super-Vicious, Law-Twisting Thug" | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Author : ATSS (IP: 47.206.123.4 , 47.206.123.4) | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | There are 2 issues here, not one. | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | 1. Vendors like Microsoft and Dell purposely discouraging the repair of their computers. This is very true, and indeed a big concern | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | 2. Eric Lundgren purposely and deliberately misleading the non tech-savvy masses (including media outlets) by hiding behind point number one while he was setting up Chinese distribution to create and import COUNTERFEIT recovery disks and SELLING them for profit as genuine. | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | -J | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | You can see all comments on this post here: http://techrights.org/2019/07/26/story-of-eric-lundgren/#comments | Aug 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Permalink: http://techrights.org/2019/07/26/story-of-eric-lundgren/comment-page-1/#comment-325252 | Aug 05 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Legal Attacks on Eric Lundgren Demonstrate There’s No ‘New’ Microsoft Except a Super-Vicious, Law-Twisting Thug | Techrights | Aug 05 20:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Legal Attacks on Eric Lundgren Demonstrate There’s No ‘New’ Microsoft Except a Super-Vicious, Law-Twisting Thug | Techrights | Aug 05 20:11 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I wish the jeans one I could find the person wanted usage of the remade labels was not to counterfiet but to repair x vendors jeans that label was damaged. Yet was changed the full cost of the final product even that the only thing counterfiet was the label. | Aug 05 20:14 |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/AwwwwCats/status/1158453709002747905 | Aug 05 20:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AwwwwCats: Benji loves his back rubs.! https://t.co/J7AvqwWzKH | Aug 05 20:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AwwwwCats: Benji loves his back rubs.! https://t.co/J7AvqwWzKH | Aug 05 20:14 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: counterfiet law for predenedence for calculating punishments sux. | Aug 05 20:15 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: with counterfiet laws you always want to say you did not know and it does not look like the real thing. Louis Rossmann has won on this one many times. He also covered a guy who lost because his screens has a very badly printed apple like logo on them but he was able to prove that he had ordered without that logo on the stuff yet was charged full cost of destroying the fakes and have to pay cost of that part genune and that was class | Aug 05 20:25 |
| oiaohm | as mercyful. | Aug 05 20:25 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19070257 | Aug 05 21:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Aug 05 21:32 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/26/22084445abf6be49.jpg | Aug 05 22:22 |
| cubexyz | good grief... Lundgren got 15 months in a federal prison over those restore CDs | Aug 05 22:34 |
| cubexyz | way too harsh | Aug 05 22:35 |
| MinceR | this is the sort of "crime" states are after | Aug 05 22:36 |
| cubexyz | but M$ gets the big thumbs down... again... because of their garbage glue filled monstrosity called the "Surface Laptop" | Aug 05 22:36 |
| MinceR | why would anyone buy that crap? | Aug 05 22:37 |
| cubexyz | no reason | Aug 05 22:37 |
| MinceR | or any microsoft hardware for that matter, especially after the 54% hardware failure rate of one of the suXboxes | Aug 05 22:37 |
| cubexyz | I'm just re-emphasizing the point | Aug 05 22:38 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, that high failure rate... do they know why it fails so much? | Aug 05 22:40 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Aug 05 22:40 |
| MinceR | they probably don't care | Aug 05 22:40 |
| MinceR | there are enough examples to show that humans in general don't care about the quality of the products they buy, especially if the products are expensive | Aug 05 22:41 |
| cubexyz | I'll guess excessive heat | Aug 05 22:46 |
| psydroid | and possibly excessive brain damage on the part of the designers and the products' buyers | Aug 05 22:57 |
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