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DaemonFC[m]BMW backed off from charging Apple useds extra for Carplay.Dec 05 00:16
DaemonFC[m]I guess a car that depreciates 70% in 3 years and $160 oil changes were enough.Dec 05 00:17
MinceRlolDec 05 00:17
MinceRthey still don't support android auto, do they?Dec 05 00:17
DaemonFC[m]They're hardly worth anything after 3 years because the snob effect wears off and thats when the car falls apart around you.Dec 05 00:17
MinceRthey assume that if someone was stupid enough to buy a BMW, they're too stupid to buy a smartphoneDec 05 00:17
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR According to a teenager I met on Grindr a while back, Android is for poor people and criminals.Dec 05 00:18
MinceRporsche is like that too, except they had the gall to sell their brand to some smartphone makers, and people who bought one of those get screwed by the brand they idolizedDec 05 00:18
MinceRthe german car industry is a jokeDec 05 00:18
cubexyzif you can't fix it... the manufacturer has you by the ballsDec 05 00:18
DaemonFC[m]I'm glad I didn't meet for conversation.Dec 05 00:18
MinceRyeah, there are a couple billions of idiots on this planetDec 05 00:18
DaemonFC[m]My sister in law has a BMW that's 3 years old with 50,000 miles and they just got her for $1000 on a wheel bearing, $1,200 for tires, and the air conditioner works sometimes depending on whether you just drove over an even or odd numbered bump.Dec 05 00:19
MinceRlolDec 05 00:20
DaemonFC[m]It's about as reliable as my 17 year old Chevy Impala, except everything costs 3 or 4 times to fix because 3 year old BMW.Dec 05 00:21
DaemonFC[m]MinceR My husband said he swiped a backpack full of "free" Coke and candy from the BMW stealer.Dec 05 00:22
DaemonFC[m]I said well for a thousand bucks on a wheel bearing, I hope they kissed her, and I'd expect a Coke when they were done.Dec 05 00:23
DaemonFC[m]I had to replace one on the Impala and it was $270.Dec 05 00:23
DaemonFC[m]The other 3 are original. The car has 265,000 miles.Dec 05 00:24
DaemonFC[m]The Impala was leaking everything.Dec 05 00:24
DaemonFC[m]Oil, transmission fluid, steeering fluid.Dec 05 00:24
oiaohm  niceDec 05 00:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple’s Activation Lock Will Make It Very Difficult to Refurbish Macs - iFixitDec 05 00:25
cubexyzoiaohm, yes I just saw that a few minutes agoDec 05 00:25
DaemonFC[m]Somehow that mountain of repairs including a new battery and tires cost about as much as a wheel bearing and some tires at BMW, MinceRDec 05 00:25
DaemonFC[m]If you even have to ask what the repairs will cost on a BMW, you shouldn't be driving one.Dec 05 00:26
DaemonFC[m]The cost of the car is about half of what you'll end up paying over 5 years.Dec 05 00:26
cubexyzthe term is "veblen goods"Dec 05 00:27
cubexyzalso known as ostentatiousDec 05 00:27
DaemonFC[m]I told my step sister, "Why don't you just put your husband on it? The only good thing is they put the oil filter on top of the engine. Anyone with a wrench can change oil on a BMW."Dec 05 00:28
DaemonFC[m]$160....lolDec 05 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Even with that special "European oil" crap, it costs $60, tops.Dec 05 00:28
DaemonFC[m]The Stealer is charging $100 for a 20 minute job a trained monkey could do once you subtract parts.Dec 05 00:29
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I'm considering pouring Euro 0w30 in the car just for the hell of it.Dec 05 00:30
DaemonFC[m]It says exceeds API SN on the bottle.Dec 05 00:30
DaemonFC[m]Should work okay.Dec 05 00:31
DaemonFC[m]We have 0w30 that's Group III here.Dec 05 00:32
DaemonFC[m]It's cheaper.Dec 05 00:32
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I have yet to meet anyone who owned a stupid European car who haven't spent the next few years regretting it until it blew up or they sold it at a severe loss.Dec 05 00:34
cubexyzadd up all the costs, then figure out how many bus rides (or taxi rides) it isDec 05 00:35
DaemonFC[m]Almost as bad as the BMW are those Volvos where the stupid Swedes put the battery in the trunk and caused the alternator to fail, and then put the alternator under the engine.Dec 05 00:35
cubexyzinitial cost + repairs + gas + insurance Dec 05 00:36
DaemonFC[m]Initial cost: zero. Repairs: $4,800. Insurance: zero. (Mom's car and second on her policy.)Dec 05 00:37
DaemonFC[m]The Impala.Dec 05 00:37
DaemonFC[m]Screwing over the ex by skipping three payments on the Kia and then making him pay $3,000 just to get it out of repo so he can keep making payments: PricelessDec 05 00:38
DaemonFC[m]He ended up catching up the 3 $404.91 payments I skipped while I was living in a hotel because of the charges he filed, $1,800 in repo costs,  and $100 in late payment fees.Dec 05 00:39
DaemonFC[m]MinceR 😁Dec 05 00:39
DaemonFC[m]I also abused the car pretty bad over the summer, skipped an oil change, and parked it where I knew it would get dinged up pretty bad.Dec 05 00:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Scotty Kilmer said Volvos were worse than Pewdiepie.Dec 05 00:41
DaemonFC[m]"All this extra wiring to put the battery in the trunk just puts more strain on the alternator, and more wiring means more wiring that can short out."Dec 05 00:42
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: its more complex than that.Dec 05 00:48
oiaohmPutting battery in boot away from engine can have some other interesting advantages.Dec 05 00:49
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: battery in boot can be closer to ideal charging temp than battery in engine bay.Dec 05 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Charging Information For Lead Acid Batteries – Battery UniversityDec 05 00:53
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: one of the funny reasons why battery in trunk can go through more alternators is not charging that battery it can be that the battery can in fact put out more power to start the car than a overheated battery in engine bay.Dec 05 00:57
DaemonFC[m]oiaohm I dumped a can of Gumout Multi System Cleaner in my Impala's tank and my car stumbled and died when I started it today.Dec 05 00:59
DaemonFC[m]I've had this happen before when my Crown Vic was running rough and I used the same fuel system cleaner.Dec 05 01:00
oiaohmYou do have to watch using those.Dec 05 01:00
DaemonFC[m]It seems like cars with a significant carbon buildup really don't like the first can or two of Gumout but the car runs better after.Dec 05 01:00
DaemonFC[m]Scotty Kilmer showed the piston tops on a Toyota before and after three tanks with the gumout multi system cleaner and they were nice and shiny when they looked like shit before.Dec 05 01:02
oiaohmI have see the case here where service station tank anti baterial agents react with items like Gumout Multi System Cleaner to make injector blocking goo.Dec 05 01:02
oiaohmSo before putting something like that in car can be a good idea to test a small amount of fuel and cleaner in bottle.Dec 05 01:02
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DaemonFC[m]oiaohm GM sells the same thing basically.Dec 05 01:03
DaemonFC[m]GM Fuel System Cleaner Plus. It's PEA.Dec 05 01:04
DaemonFC[m]They started selling it because their fuel sending units got sulfur building and turned into the infamous GM "guess gauge".Dec 05 01:04
DaemonFC[m]Where they just went all over the place and you never know how much gas is really in the car.Dec 05 01:05
DaemonFC[m]*buildupDec 05 01:05
oiaohmIt does not change that the source of it + the wrong cleaning agent used by service station equals hell.Dec 05 01:05
DaemonFC[m]The standard here in the US is PEA in the gasoline, but not all stations use the same amount.Dec 05 01:06
DaemonFC[m]So the Gumout that has PEA in it it a concentrated dose every now and then and the idea is it cleans up some of the leftover crud.Dec 05 01:06
DaemonFC[m]I used a bottle of Regane a couple thousand miles ago becuase I was getting misfires so bad that the damned tachometer was all over the place.Dec 05 01:07
oiaohmGumout does not only contain PEA.Dec 05 01:08
oiaohmMost of them add something of their own to the mix.Dec 05 01:08
DaemonFC[m]The multi system stuff seems to clean a lot more carbon out than Techron or Gumout Regane.Dec 05 01:08
DaemonFC[m]ChrisFix did some before and after pics and the Techron barely does anything at all.Dec 05 01:09
DaemonFC[m]Hardly worth wasting your money on.Dec 05 01:09
oiaohmThat something of their own + what the service station have added to tank maintenance.Dec 05 01:09
oiaohmIs what makes the evil injector blocking goo.Dec 05 01:09
DaemonFC[m]You'd have to run it in 10 tanks of gas at that rate to see any real difference.Dec 05 01:09
DaemonFC[m]I suspect the multi system cleaner does work.Dec 05 01:10
oiaohmLiving in Australia where I could be driving 1000km into the middle of no where.   You get very careful with these cleaners.Dec 05 01:11
oiaohmAnd you get to know the disasaters.Dec 05 01:11
DaemonFC[m]I've heard a lot of people say it made their misfire or catalytic converter codes go away.Dec 05 01:11
DaemonFC[m]And I like Scotty Kilmer.Dec 05 01:11
oiaohm   I would not be too sure on fuel cleaners improving catalytic converters.Dec 05 01:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Things that Damage Catalytic Converters! - DIYAutoWorksNGDec 05 01:14
DaemonFC[m]The EPA has to approve the formula to make sure it won't damage the catalytic converter.Dec 05 01:16
oiaohmNo has to have a decent chance of not doing in your catalytic converter not that it will not.Dec 05 01:16
oiaohmThe side effect of the formula cleaning out the build up can at times make the engine act like it is rich that the catalytic converter hates.Dec 05 01:17
DaemonFC[m]After 17 years of god only knows what going on with my mom...Dec 05 01:18
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: basically trade off.   Using fuel to clean inside of engine with a light risk of having to replace catalytic converter instead of having to completely disasmeble the engine.Dec 05 01:18
DaemonFC[m]The car wasn't running good on regular gas.Dec 05 01:18
DaemonFC[m]So at least that's solved.Dec 05 01:19
oiaohmAlso not running good fuel is most likely not doing the catalytic converter any good either.Dec 05 01:19
DaemonFC[m]The ultra low sulfur rule should fix the GM Guess Gauge problem in the future, I guess.Dec 05 01:20
oiaohmBasically I am not willing to say that fuel aditives fix a catalytic convertor.      The sensor at the catalytic convertor can be a rich fuel detector.Dec 05 01:20
DaemonFC[m]So why did it make the light go off after the guy ran the third tank with multi system cleaner in it?Dec 05 01:21
oiaohmIf the rich fuel detector at the catalytic convertor is going off it kind of already doomed.Dec 05 01:21
oiaohmSo a little more damage from a fuel additive to stop that is not going to be a major problem.Dec 05 01:21
DaemonFC[m]The code says it was running inefficiently or something.Dec 05 01:21
oiaohmThat normally rich.Dec 05 01:21
DaemonFC[m]Luckily, Indiana doesn't do emissions testing.Dec 05 01:22
oiaohmAs on raw fuel is getting to the catalytic convertor that is really does not like.Dec 05 01:22
DaemonFC[m]The Gumout bottle says "Helps pass emissions." though.Dec 05 01:22
DaemonFC[m]I replaced the old worn out spark plugs.Dec 05 01:22
DaemonFC[m]They looked like shit. It was pretty horrible.Dec 05 01:22
oiaohmStill that can be true.   Its not like you need 100 percent of your catalytic convertor to pass emissions.Dec 05 01:22
DaemonFC[m]The car runs a lot better with the iridiums.Dec 05 01:23
oiaohmA catalytic convertor getting raw fuel will not pass emissions.Dec 05 01:23
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, if you have unburned fuel getting that far, you have a problem.Dec 05 01:23
oiaohmLot of people have the wrong idea what EPA approved formulas for engine cleaning mean.Dec 05 01:23
DaemonFC[m]PCV valve is cheap and can cause failed emissions.Dec 05 01:24
oiaohmYes it will clean your engine.   Yes it will make a screwed up engine not consume it catalytic convertor as fast as it was going to.Dec 05 01:24
DaemonFC[m]Bad gas cap can do it.Dec 05 01:24
oiaohmBut using it on a clean engine when you don't need it.Dec 05 01:24
DaemonFC[m]I had fuel vapor escaping the old one but no check engine.Dec 05 01:24
DaemonFC[m]How is that?Dec 05 01:25
DaemonFC[m]The car smelled like gas on startup sometimes. Read it's usually the gas cap. Put a new one on and no more smell.Dec 05 01:25
oiaohmI have seen fuel vapor blow bonnet off car and no check engine light.Dec 05 01:25
oiaohmNice leaking injector line.Dec 05 01:25
DaemonFC[m]It's supposed to report a leak.Dec 05 01:26
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, no more smell. Yay.Dec 05 01:26
oiaohmNot if the leak is minor enough.Dec 05 01:26
oiaohmWas not my car thank god person pulled up at lights next to cop car and had bonnet leave car and I was on the other side of road.Dec 05 01:27
DaemonFC[m]oiaohm I had an interesting problemDec 05 01:27
oiaohmI worked with the toe truck comapny so found what happened.Dec 05 01:27
DaemonFC[m]My computer said like 24 25 mpg.Dec 05 01:28
DaemonFC[m]But I only got like 20 oe 20.5 when I calculated it.Dec 05 01:28
DaemonFC[m]Ever since they disconnected the old car battery and put the new AGM on it, it was going down on the computer, but still where it always is when I calculated it.Dec 05 01:28
oiaohmThat not the first time I have seen that.Dec 05 01:28
DaemonFC[m]So I reset the computer and it's reporting pretty close to what gets now.Dec 05 01:29
DaemonFC[m]What the hell is happening?Dec 05 01:29
oiaohmThere are a few different ways to calculate mpg.Dec 05 01:29
oiaohmOne takes tempeture into account.Dec 05 01:29
DaemonFC[m]It was overestimating 13 or 14 percent and now it's close.Dec 05 01:29
oiaohmIf tempeture sensor is miss calibrated it can be horribely out.Dec 05 01:29
DaemonFC[m]Is that something to be concerned with?Dec 05 01:30
DaemonFC[m]Was it fucked up and the battery swap fixed it?Dec 05 01:30
oiaohmDepends on the computer in the car.Dec 05 01:30
oiaohmYes swaping batteries can reboot computer and result in some of these problems getting magically fixed.Dec 05 01:31
DaemonFC[m]Actual gas mileage is about the same as ever.Dec 05 01:31
DaemonFC[m]It's just that the stupid computer that was always wrong is right now.Dec 05 01:31
oiaohmSome cars are using air intake temp and fuel temp in tank to attempt to keep getting ideal air to fuel ratios.Dec 05 01:31
oiaohmSo if your car is using those sensors that way and they are out o my ouch.Dec 05 01:32
DaemonFC[m]Should my mileage improve any with the new gas cap?Dec 05 01:32
DaemonFC[m]Now that it isn't leaking fumes.Dec 05 01:32
oiaohmYes by quite a bit.Dec 05 01:32
oiaohmI cannot remember the vapor rate of fuel.Dec 05 01:33
oiaohmleaking from tanks on adverageDec 05 01:33
DaemonFC[m]My mom doesn't do anything except change the oil and have it towed when it breaks down.Dec 05 01:33
DaemonFC[m]So it's a miracle it even still works.Dec 05 01:33
DaemonFC[m]The mechanic said it was leaking transmission fluid in three different placesDec 05 01:34
DaemonFC[m]Two axle seals and a pan gasket.Dec 05 01:34
DaemonFC[m]I asked him if it was still red before I paid them to change the fluid.Dec 05 01:34
oiaohmI worked in spare parts at a service station for a while.   We had a chart on how much fuel you lost from a missing gas cap and incorrect fitting one on adverage.Dec 05 01:34
DaemonFC[m]If it's brown or black, you're screwed anyway.Dec 05 01:34
DaemonFC[m]Somehow, it was red, so someone changed the fluid a few times.Dec 05 01:34
oiaohmI know out at worse that you could be losing 1/4 of your tank in vapor.Dec 05 01:35
oiaohmThat completely missing gas cap and the right conditions.Dec 05 01:35
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, no gas cap I've heard up to 30 gallo s a year lost as vapor.Dec 05 01:36
DaemonFC[m]But I guess a small leak wouldn't be as bad.Dec 05 01:36
DaemonFC[m]Even a tank a year would be painful with what gas costs these days.Dec 05 01:36
oiaohmDepends on your car some cars fuel cap area when driving at speed ends up part vacuum.Dec 05 01:36
DaemonFC[m]Three times what a new cap costs.Dec 05 01:37
oiaohmBasically even a small leak from fuel cap the replacement cost can be basically nothing.Dec 05 01:37
DaemonFC[m]Yeah 12 bucks for a new gas cap.Dec 05 01:38
DaemonFC[m]Gas costs $2.80 a gallon right now.Dec 05 01:38
DaemonFC[m]So if you lose 20 gallons out the seal as fumes in a year, thats between 50 and 60 dollars.Dec 05 01:38
oiaohmafter market gas caps in Australia that are good enough to seal properly can be as low as 5 dollar AUD.Dec 05 01:38
DaemonFC[m]I stopped by Oreilly because I finally got sick of smelling gas.Dec 05 01:39
oiaohmthat is without the leaking fuels collecting in your garage or someone and blowing the living crap out of it.Dec 05 01:39
DaemonFC[m]Could have done like 3 dolllars better on Amazon.Dec 05 01:39
oiaohmsomeone/somewhere.Dec 05 01:39
DaemonFC[m]Uh, I park outside.Dec 05 01:40
DaemonFC[m]Living in a hotel because of Scumbucket and the Disorderly Conduct probation.Dec 05 01:40
DaemonFC[m]Fucking landlords wouldn't talk to me with pending aggravated assault charges so I maxed out my credit cards and now I'm staring into the abyss on that.Dec 05 01:41
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: Gasoline vapors are denser than air, <<< So they don't magically go away.Dec 05 01:41
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, which is probably why they were hanging around the car and getting inside.Dec 05 01:41
oiaohmSo lets say you have inground power and your park your gas fume leaking car over the top of it.Dec 05 01:41
DaemonFC[m]Oh dear.Dec 05 01:42
oiaohmfuel fumes leak is fix.Dec 05 01:42
oiaohmResults of not fixing can really catch you off guard.Dec 05 01:42
oiaohmLot of people have the incorrect though that car is parked out side fuel fume leak problem is not a problem.Dec 05 01:43
oiaohmthough/ideaDec 05 01:44
oiaohmWhen it can be a really horrible problem.Dec 05 01:44
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:   the number one cause of having your car catch fire is a fuel leak either in liquid or vapor.Dec 05 01:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 1: Fuel System Leaks - Top 10 Causes of Car Fires | HowStuffWorksDec 05 01:46
oiaohmSo even if it fuel was dead cheap it still highly unwise not to fix a leaking fuel cap.Dec 05 01:47
danielp3344I had fuel leaks in my car for a while.Dec 05 01:47
danielp3344I wish people wouldn't use metal fuel linesDec 05 01:47
oiaohmdanielp3344: the non metal ones can also fail due to the wrong aditivies.Dec 05 01:48
danielp3344oiaohm: yeah, I've had that happen to meDec 05 01:48
oiaohmSo pick your devil.Dec 05 01:48
danielp3344lolDec 05 01:48
danielp3344Someday soon I intend to replace them all with stainless lines.Dec 05 01:49
danielp3344When  replace the tank and pumpDec 05 01:49
danielp3344when I*Dec 05 01:49
oiaohmThat will be as soon as you can afford.Dec 05 01:49
danielp3344no kiddingDec 05 01:50
oiaohmSo you take the least amount of risk of car being fireball.Dec 05 01:50
danielp3344I have to finish the engine rebuild firstDec 05 01:50
danielp3344oiaohm: car is off the road atmDec 05 01:50
oiaohmDo be aware of vapor collection.Dec 05 01:50
danielp3344oiaohm: as in evap?Dec 05 01:50
oiaohmfuel vapor collection I mean.Dec 05 01:51
danielp3344ah yeahDec 05 01:51
danielp3344My new fuel system is going to be a lot more simpleDec 05 01:51
oiaohmSomething I have seen people rebuilding engines forgot about to there own personal harm.Dec 05 01:51
oiaohmAnd planned to be inspectable?Dec 05 01:51
danielp3344oiaohm: everything needs to be, this is a race carDec 05 01:52
oiaohmNot like some car makers who run the fuel lines where you could never be checked.Dec 05 01:52
danielp3344I'm thinking a stock LSX type plastic tank with just two lines going right to the TBI setupDec 05 01:52
oiaohmI have seen race cars with fuel lines that cannot be properly inspected.Dec 05 01:52
danielp3344me tooDec 05 01:53
danielp3344The underbody on this car is pretty openDec 05 01:53
oiaohmFitted a double firewall run the fuel line though is and had a fuel leak in middle resulting in firewall coming flying fragments was the worse I have seen in a race car. Dec 05 01:54
danielp3344ouchDec 05 01:54
danielp3344My lines are run under the firewall and up into the engine bayDec 05 01:54
danielp3344I think I'll keep them thereDec 05 01:54
oiaohmGood part was it went bang when no one was in car.Dec 05 01:55
oiaohmBad part was that was no racing for quite some time.Dec 05 01:55
oiaohmFor some reason the race offically wanted every car reinspected.Dec 05 01:56
oiaohmdanielp3344: there is always a temptation to run stuff though the firewall you don't have to.Dec 05 01:57
oiaohmPays to avoid it with when you can.Dec 05 01:58
danielp3344yeahDec 05 01:58
DaemonFC[m]I plan to get one of those 6 pack of gumout multi system cleaner and run them through the next several tanks of gas until it muse be so clean in there you could eat off it.Dec 05 01:59
DaemonFC[m]A car that runs like shit is not fun.Dec 05 01:59
DaemonFC[m]I don't know if it affects mileage, but using mid grade gas will be more expensive than just cleaning the shit out of the system.Dec 05 02:00
danielp3344DaemonFC: B12Dec 05 02:00
danielp3344Best fuel system cleaner I'm aware of.Dec 05 02:00
DaemonFC[m]The carbon buildup had gotten so bad it was causing misfires.Dec 05 02:01
DaemonFC[m]It's not that bad anymore.Dec 05 02:01
danielp3344DaemonFC: maybe run some seafoam tooDec 05 02:01
DaemonFC[m]The spark plugs looked terrible.Dec 05 02:01
DaemonFC[m]New iridium plugs fixed the majority of the problem.Dec 05 02:01
DaemonFC[m]The tachometer is stable now.Dec 05 02:01
DaemonFC[m]Seafoam doesn't clean modern engines very well.Dec 05 02:02
danielp3344DaemonFC: that engine isn't very modernDec 05 02:02
DaemonFC[m]It was made for old two atroke motor boat engines.Dec 05 02:02
DaemonFC[m]And even most of those are four stroke now.Dec 05 02:02
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "It was made for old two atroke m"> irrelevantDec 05 02:02
DaemonFC[m]Very relevant.Dec 05 02:02
DaemonFC[m]Part of what made them run better with Seafoam was the petroleum distillates it has in it.Dec 05 02:03
DaemonFC[m]PEA is a much better solvent for engine cleaning.Dec 05 02:04
DaemonFC[m]Most of the others just put out a pretty good smoke show and that's the product itself burning off and the person doing it is an idiot.Dec 05 02:04
danielp3344DaemonFC: I've seen some pretty notable improvements with seafoamDec 05 02:05
danielp3344Pull the plugs and stull before and afterDec 05 02:05
DaemonFC[m]If yoi have a 2013 Mustang and you're using Seafoam, that's retarded.Dec 05 02:05
danielp3344stuffDec 05 02:05
DaemonFC[m]First off, you should be using top tier gas in modern engines for sure.Dec 05 02:06
DaemonFC[m]Then you'll never have a huge deposit problem.Dec 05 02:06
danielp3344DaemonFC: nahDec 05 02:06
danielp3344not cost effectiveDec 05 02:06
DaemonFC[m]3 cents more a gallon?Dec 05 02:06
danielp3344cheap gas + fuel system cleaner is cheaper in the long runDec 05 02:06
DaemonFC[m]Not really.Dec 05 02:06
DaemonFC[m]Have you seen some of these gdi engines that have been run on cheap gas?Dec 05 02:07
DaemonFC[m]Doesn't take long.Dec 05 02:07
danielp3344lolDec 05 02:07
danielp3344design better enginesDec 05 02:07
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DaemonFC[m]GDI is a better engine.Dec 05 02:12
DaemonFC[m]15% or so more efficient just from that.Dec 05 02:12
DaemonFC[m]So who cares if Top Tier is more? It may not even be more.Dec 05 02:12
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DaemonFC[m]Sometimes I get Shell if it's cheaper with my 5 cent discount than Thorntons is.Dec 05 02:13
DaemonFC[m]So sometimes I use Top Tier, sometimes not. Less lately.Dec 05 02:13
oiaohmdanielp3344:  You are racing you normally don't have catalytic converters.    Seafoam additive has habit of causing rich that is really not great for the catalytic converters as well as not cleaning as well in 4 stroke designs.    Not that I cannot work in 4 stroke engines.  Most modern setups not suitable any more.  Dec 05 02:13
DaemonFC[m]The Citgo gives you 20 cents a gallon off with a car wash.Dec 05 02:14
DaemonFC[m]Gotta wash the car once a month.Dec 05 02:14
DaemonFC[m]Citgo is top tier.Dec 05 02:14
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DaemonFC[m]If you use Top Tier consistently for about 4,000 miles, it will remove about 70% of the deposits.Dec 05 02:15
DaemonFC[m]It's just going to take a while because it's a maintenance dose.Dec 05 02:15
DaemonFC[m]And the stubborn ones might take more.Dec 05 02:15
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oiaohmdanielp3344: its just one cleaning out mowers, and other power garden tools and race items with seafoam not bad.  No catalytic converter.  When you have a catalytic converter what you can and should use changes.Dec 05 02:19
DaemonFC[m]If you use about 3 tanks with gumout multi system cleaner, you can get the majority of the deposits. So that's what? 1,200 miles.Dec 05 02:25
DaemonFC[m]If you have a serious carbon problem, Gumout will get rid of it much quicker.Dec 05 02:25
DaemonFC[m]Then you can either use Top Tier to keep it clean or toss in a can of Gumout every 5,000 or 6,000 miles to mop up what the bargain gas left.Dec 05 02:27
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DaemonFC[m]And Daniel Peterson is technically right but I would never risk fouling up a GDI engine in the first place.Dec 05 02:27
DaemonFC[m]They just can't deal with the bargain gas like older cars can. In 50,000 miles you'll be left with a bill for walnut blasting your engine.Dec 05 02:28
danielp3344you and I approach this very differentlyDec 05 02:28
danielp3344If my engine dies I'm the one pulling and rebuilding :PDec 05 02:28
DaemonFC[m]Well, GDI fouls easily because the fuel sprays directly into the cylinder.Dec 05 02:29
danielp3344I cleaned out my shortblock this weekDec 05 02:29
danielp3344after 200k milesDec 05 02:29
danielp3344It's not actually that badDec 05 02:29
danielp3344But the heads I'm not looking forward toDec 05 02:29
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the Kia was running badly after a few thousand miles on bargain gas.Dec 05 02:29
danielp3344carbon everywhereDec 05 02:29
DaemonFC[m]It never had a problem with Citgo. Which is basically a great price on Top Tier.Dec 05 02:30
DaemonFC[m]Almost as cheap as Thornton's.Dec 05 02:30
DaemonFC[m]If you're in a pinch, a tankful won't ruin your engine, but get back on the good stuff ASAP.Dec 05 02:31
danielp3344I solved most of my problems with multiple fuel filtersDec 05 02:31
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson FWIW, Thornton's is owned by BP.Dec 05 02:32
danielp3344100 micron inline before the pump and 10 micron cartridge filter on the rail.Dec 05 02:32
DaemonFC[m]I switched to Thornton's from Citgo and never experienced a fuel problem in the Kia.Dec 05 02:32
DaemonFC[m]But when I ran it on Murphy, I sure did.Dec 05 02:32
danielp3344This was mainly because my gas tank had sludge that would not go awayDec 05 02:32
danielp3344Even after pressure washing the inside of the tankDec 05 02:32
DaemonFC[m]Numbnuts was getting it back anyway, so I experimented to see whether there's a quality difference with bargain gas companies.Dec 05 02:32
DaemonFC[m]Thornton's may actually be Top Tier and just not advertising it.Dec 05 02:33
DaemonFC[m]They replied to my email saying that they use at least the EPA detergent level, but that could mean anything. Okay, you follow the law.Dec 05 02:34
DaemonFC[m]Bht they wouldn't elaborate.Dec 05 02:34
DaemonFC[m]Murphy is bad stuff.Dec 05 02:34
DaemonFC[m]The Impala runs fine on Thornton's.Dec 05 02:34
danielp3344I had a weird idea todayDec 05 02:35
DaemonFC[m]I would say if you need discount gas, use Thornton's. It's probably BP in disguise. If they told me what level of detergent they used and it was top tier, I could have quoted them and there go those BP marketing dollars.Dec 05 02:35
danielp3344I want to buy two ford sixes, saw the blocks in half and make a v!@Dec 05 02:35
danielp3344v12*Dec 05 02:35
danielp3344A 9.8L v12 :DDec 05 02:36
DaemonFC[m]Mercedes has a few engines that size. Unfortunately you have to buy them in a Mercedes.Dec 05 02:36
DaemonFC[m]MinceRDec 05 02:36
DaemonFC[m]They get about 5 or 6 miles a gallon.Dec 05 02:42
DaemonFC[m]It's another one of those lol I'm rich, watch my money go down the toilet with this expensive piece of overengineered German horseshit things.Dec 05 02:43
DaemonFC[m]Like the entry level BMW my sister in law spends all of her money on.Dec 05 02:43
DaemonFC[m]Except the Mercedes can probably really tear up the road when it is in between repairs.Dec 05 02:43
danielp3344DaemonFC: ford six is already famous for bad MPGDec 05 02:44
danielp3344It would really just be for my own personal amusementDec 05 02:44
danielp3344maybe build a drag truckDec 05 02:45
danielp3344Not sure how I could do the crank thoughDec 05 02:45
danielp3344Maybe put ford six heads on a custom block and crankDec 05 02:45
danielp3344There's something magic about those headsDec 05 02:46
DaemonFC[m]The 3800 V6 isn't the most efficient engine ever.Dec 05 02:47
DaemonFC[m]20 or 21 mpg. 200 hpDec 05 02:47
DaemonFC[m]It's nothing to write home about by modern standards.Dec 05 02:47
DaemonFC[m]2 liter I4 with a turbo can do it while getting 25% higher mileage.Dec 05 02:47
danielp3344DaemonFC: At least it can rev over 4000rpm lolDec 05 02:48
DaemonFC[m]Some of these 4 liter engines are pretty nice these days.Dec 05 02:48
danielp3344DaemonFC: honda K engines :DDec 05 02:48
DaemonFC[m]The 2.3 on the base model Explorer is 280 hp. Not bad.Dec 05 02:48
danielp3344ford is doing pretty OK with engines yeahDec 05 02:48
DaemonFC[m]30 mpg highway.Dec 05 02:48
danielp3344good turbosDec 05 02:49
danielp3344good redlines for the most partDec 05 02:49
DaemonFC[m]Turbos need to be on everything anyway.Dec 05 02:49
danielp3344^^^Dec 05 02:49
DaemonFC[m]And that's been a fact since forever.Dec 05 02:49
danielp3344save all that exhaust powerDec 05 02:49
DaemonFC[m]Letting the exhaust do nothing for the engine is just stupid.Dec 05 02:49
danielp3344It makes tuning for power easier tooDec 05 02:50
danielp3344Just crank the wastegate shutDec 05 02:50
DaemonFC[m]Power and gas mileage.Dec 05 02:50
DaemonFC[m]Not gonna say no to that.Dec 05 02:50
danielp3344lolDec 05 02:50
DaemonFC[m]The turbo doesn't lead directly to great mileage. In fact, it'll use more.Dec 05 02:51
danielp3344but you can do the same job with a smaller engineDec 05 02:51
DaemonFC[m]But what it does do is let you put in a smaller engine that gets better mileage without people saying this sucks.Dec 05 02:51
danielp3344and run less fuel at low loadDec 05 02:51
DaemonFC[m]YepDec 05 02:51
danielp3344yeah that lolDec 05 02:51
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "But what it does do is let you p"> The other approach I really like is tiny super high revving enginesDec 05 02:52
danielp334490s Japanese cars had good MPG but pretty good power in stickDec 05 02:52
danielp3344you could really rev those a lotDec 05 02:52
DaemonFC[m]Well, with a turbo the base 3400 V6 Impala wouldn't have been a slug.Dec 05 02:52
DaemonFC[m]It could have been the performance model and drop the base to a 3100.Dec 05 02:53
danielp3344DaemonFC: you think your car is a slug, my car had 135hp stock on basically the same v6Dec 05 02:53
danielp3344and basically the same otherwiseDec 05 02:53
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, somehow I got this car and my mom had it so out of tune I was even missing my 95 Taurus.Dec 05 02:53
danielp3344lolDec 05 02:54
danielp3344DaemonFC: You could install a turbo kit.Dec 05 02:54
DaemonFC[m]40 less horsepower but I never let it turn into a rolling oil leak with bad spark plugs and a carbon problem.Dec 05 02:54
DaemonFC[m]It may take more cans of gumout to solve this problem.Dec 05 02:55
DaemonFC[m]The mechanic said they do carbon cleaning.Dec 05 02:55
DaemonFC[m]But I'm guessing keep hitting it with gumout is cheaperDec 05 02:55
danielp3344DaemonFC: you could pull the heads and clean them externallyDec 05 02:55
DaemonFC[m]I'm living in a hotel and I'm lazy.Dec 05 02:55
danielp3344ICDec 05 02:55
DaemonFC[m]Just keep tossing in gumout until the problem goes away.Dec 05 02:56
danielp3344If you were closer I'd help :PDec 05 02:56
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's definitely taking the long way.Dec 05 02:58
DaemonFC[m]But Kilmer says 3 tanks worth can clean out a pretty bad problem.Dec 05 02:58
DaemonFC[m]Either that or he's whoring himself to the Gumout people.Dec 05 02:58
DaemonFC[m]What do you think?Dec 05 02:59
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schestowitzI will relay this to the maintainer of the page. (see wiki history)Dec 05 03:08
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scientespine doesn't ship to Georgia, so I will have to use a US-based remailer serviceDec 05 06:28
MinceRlol mercedesDec 05 06:37
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MinceR05 023400 < DaemonFC[m]> The mechanic said it was leaking transmission fluid in three different placesDec 05 07:21
MinceRautomatic?Dec 05 07:21
norayrscientes: you mean Georgia the country, right? heh, I always use a remailer to Armenia. I got my pinebook like that.Dec 05 07:33
scientesyeah, I'm in BatumiDec 05 07:33
norayryay cool. i always think to come to Batumi in winter, because there will be no people, and walk by the sea. i guess it would be amazing.Dec 05 07:35
norayrso hopefully this winter.Dec 05 07:35
scientesswimming in the sea is also niceDec 05 07:35
scientesyeah we could eat KachapuriDec 05 07:35
norayrwowDec 05 07:36
norayrwell, khachapuris are good all over the Georgia, right? (:Dec 05 07:36
norayrwell, i wanted to look in to all IRC chats history before getting out of home, not have to get out! glad to see someone from the vicinity.Dec 05 07:37
norayrsee you, genatsualeDec 05 07:38
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schestowitz● NEWS ● #bbc #uk #science #nature ☞ #Climatechange is causing #birds to shrink, study says Dec 05 11:46
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oiaohmrianne_: Linux plumpers conferce 2019 has a mini conf completely about bpf that is a video that runs over over 3 hours.Dec 05 13:41
schestowitz#cbs #tabloid #zdnet is #openwashing #netflix (DRM) right now, misusing the #linux brand 05 13:42
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oiaohmrianne_: there is still a big ass problem with bpf with realtime.   As yet you cannot preempt a bpf program part way into a run. Dec 05 13:46
oiaohmschestowitz: just because a party is a massive user of Linux does not mean they are exactly good.Dec 05 13:49
oiaohmschestowitz: but the presentation is a good one for where one person thinks bpf is going.Dec 05 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BPF: A New Type of SoftwareDec 05 13:54
oiaohmOf course Linux world is hurding cats.Dec 05 13:54
oiaohmso the direction one person thinks it going and it end up going can be two different things.Dec 05 13:54
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psydroidI have noticed another thing over the past week or so. With Amazon and Ampere Computing launching new ARM processors that obviously primarily run GNU/Linux, people have been "suggesting" (in a Borg fashion) to look at AMD's recent Epyc2 processors.Dec 05 14:46
psydroidAnd the more cloud companies start developing their own processors, the less there is a need for off-the-shelf offerings from Intel and AMD, which will decrease demand and possibly increase prices for Windows users.Dec 05 14:46
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oiaohmpsydroid: its not as straight forwards.   Amazon arm platform is still no where near the processing power of a x86.Dec 05 15:06
scientesuggh, I want Duolingo stories for Russian from EnglishDec 05 15:07
scientesDuolingo main part is horrible and uselessDec 05 15:07
scientesbut the stories part is really goodDec 05 15:07
scienteshelped me so much for spanishDec 05 15:07
scientesalong with pimsleurDec 05 15:07
scientesand also the dual language with english podcastsDec 05 15:07
scientesso you can work up your endurance for listeningDec 05 15:08
oiaohmpsydroid:  Microsoft has kind of dug self into hole on arm with exclusive deal with qualcomm.Dec 05 15:08
scientespsydroid, do you have any good language learning resources?Dec 05 15:08
psydroidoiaohm, of course it isn't but they put it in the market so people could start working with it and see how their software works on it. Graviton 3 and 4 are probably where ARM should have caught up. Also if ARM is "good enough", people may not need the power of x86Dec 05 15:08
oiaohmpsydroid: without that deal there would be no reason why windows server could not run on ampere computing platform.Dec 05 15:08
scientesafter spending just one day in London I understood how Europeans are surrounded with languagesDec 05 15:08
scientestotally different from the Americas (which only have 4 languages)Dec 05 15:09
oiaohmpsydroid: lot of ways Microsoft is shotting self in foot.Dec 05 15:09
psydroidscientes, I have lots of books I have collected from all over EuropeDec 05 15:09
scientesi'm talking about pre-readingDec 05 15:10
psydroidoiaohm, Microsoft knows it can't target each and every processor out there, so they are supporting Qualcomm processors now and will probably expand to other implementations later onDec 05 15:11
psydroidyes, I have lots of language learning booksDec 05 15:11
psydroidI specifically looked for themDec 05 15:11
scientesbut that seems so useless to meDec 05 15:11
psydroidbut can't you find a lot of them online?Dec 05 15:11
scientesI mean I am working through a Spanish-language readerDec 05 15:11
scientesbut it takes a long time to get to that levelDec 05 15:11
scientesand next I am going to read La Vuelva El Mundo en Ochenta DiásDec 05 15:12
psydroidI understand what you meanDec 05 15:12
psydroidand it's no fun if you can't understand half of what you're readingDec 05 15:12
scientes(Around the World in 80 Days by Jules Verne, originally in French, but I've read the English)Dec 05 15:12
scientesyeah, Pimsleurs is greatDec 05 15:12
scientesbut by the time you get one month into Pimsleurs you need more material to keep upDec 05 15:13
scienteswith the Duolingo stories I was going fast enough that the last half of the Pimsleurs was easyDec 05 15:13
scientesand I only had to listen to each recording onceDec 05 15:13
scientesbut right now I'm stalling out on the Russian, and listening to each recording like 4 timesDec 05 15:13
scientesbecause I don't have enough supplamentary materialDec 05 15:13
scientesalso, I completely avoid grammarDec 05 15:14
psydroidI have found that my Spanish has improved lately, but I am also doing DuolingoDec 05 15:14
scientesits uselessDec 05 15:14
scientespsydroid, but not the main duolingo partDec 05 15:14
scientesthat is uselessDec 05 15:14
scientesgrammar is completely uselessDec 05 15:14
scientesthe stories are great howeverDec 05 15:14
psydroidyes, I never learned grammar with DuolingoDec 05 15:14
scientesof course I was in a spanish-speaking country doing thisDec 05 15:14
scientesand now I have enough ability I can study it without thatDec 05 15:15
scientesonce you can read, at least with the way I know how to read English, I can do it all myself nowDec 05 15:15
scientesespecially as Spanish is phoneticDec 05 15:15
psydroiddo you know enough vocabulary in Russian?Dec 05 15:16
scientesbut I'm really strugging with RussianDec 05 15:16
scientesthe Pimsleurs method completely avoids vocabularyDec 05 15:16
psydroidthis is my main issue now, so I am just working my way through textbooksDec 05 15:16
scientesthats for later when you are readingDec 05 15:16
scientesbut you don't learn languages by "learning" themDec 05 15:16
scientesits a totally dedicated part of the brain that does this stuffDec 05 15:16
scientesif you are trying to learn you are missing the pointDec 05 15:16
scientesif you study grammar you are missing the pointDec 05 15:16
psydroidoh, but I never considered Pimsleur for anything other getting familiar to the sounds and being able to say basic thingsDec 05 15:16
scientes80% of language learning stuff doesn't work at allDec 05 15:17
psydroidand for that it was greatDec 05 15:17
psydroidother than*Dec 05 15:17
scientesits not a phrase book howeverDec 05 15:17
scientesPimsleurs is teaching you the grammer the way your brain learns grammarDec 05 15:17
scientesif you use it rightDec 05 15:17
scientesDr Paul Pimsleur wrote a book about thisDec 05 15:17
scientesand by heavily controling the vocabulary you have to learn, Pimsleur's teaches you that grammar MUCH fasterDec 05 15:18
scientesthan just by listening to native speakersDec 05 15:18
scientesso after you make it through the Pimsleurs ( and duolingo stories really helped me here for more immersion into the grammar) you have a solid foundation upon which to learn the languageDec 05 15:19
scientesbabies have that foundation before they start speakingDec 05 15:20
scientesthey go from a few words to full sentences in only a few monthsDec 05 15:20
scientesthe vocab takes much longerDec 05 15:20
scientesand grammar is only learned by the brain through listeningDec 05 15:21
psydroidI haven't read that much about didactics and I did really well in the traditional language learning system, but then again I always watched television and practiced my languages with people when I went on holidays with my parents, as I was the designated spokespersonDec 05 15:21
scienteswhich is why the grammar of computer languages is so difficult to learnDec 05 15:21
scientesas you can't hear itDec 05 15:21
psydroidI agree about grammar, thoughDec 05 15:21
scientesso the brain really struggles to learn computer languagesDec 05 15:21
scientesthats also way I really agree with the idea that control flow should be English keywordsDec 05 15:22
scienteswhich is what Zig doesDec 05 15:22
scientesand also rubyDec 05 15:22
XRevan86control flow?Dec 05 15:23
scientesThe Art of Computer Programming also introduces logic with EnglishDec 05 15:23
scientesinstead of && and || zig uses "and" and "or"Dec 05 15:23
oiaohmpsydroid: there is a difference between accepting you cannot support every process out there and signing exclusive deal,Dec 05 15:23
scientesbecause these are not just operators: they also short-circuitDec 05 15:23
scientesa() || b()Dec 05 15:23
XRevan86scientes: Which are quite intuitive to people who spent a day on a boolean logic lecture :)Dec 05 15:24
oiaohmpsydroid: Microsoft on arm has signed that exclusive deal so even if amazon said they would foot the bill to make their arm processors work with windows server Microsoft could not allow it without being breach of contract.Dec 05 15:24
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psydroidoiaohm, I have no problem with them digging their own grave and am fine with the current situation. If they want to compete they will have to support every processor using every architecture out there, because in their world view there can be only one ecosystem based on one operating systemDec 05 15:24
scientesoiaohm, that doesn't make any senseDec 05 15:25
scientesaarch64-8.3-A is aarch64-8.3-ADec 05 15:25
*XRevan86 doesn't have a preference over whether to use symbols like "&&" or keywords like "and".Dec 05 15:26
scientesand amazon can't make arm processors without support the exact same instruction set, and because of patent laws, paying the feeDec 05 15:26
scientesthat is why RISC-V is so revolutionaryDec 05 15:26
XRevan86I guess on a language like Python "&&" would've looked out of place.Dec 05 15:26
oiaohmscientes: Its not the aarch64 instruction set is the drivers.Dec 05 15:26
oiaohmscientes: and hardware bring up.Dec 05 15:26
scientesXRevan86, yeah but its quite different from &Dec 05 15:26
scientesoiaohm, drivers??????Dec 05 15:27
XRevan86scientes: It's still logic.Dec 05 15:27
scientesXRevan86, no, they are different circuitsDec 05 15:27
oiaohmscientes: items like early power management configuration in arm soc chips.Dec 05 15:27
XRevan86bitwise or on statementsDec 05 15:27
oiaohmscientes: you don't have that right arm cpu are not what you call stable.Dec 05 15:28
scientesXRevan86, a() && b() and a() & b() are different circuitsDec 05 15:28
scientesthe second can be done in parallel, the first cannotDec 05 15:28
XRevan86scientes: Why not call the bitwise AND an "and"?Dec 05 15:28
scientesbut that is just a mathematical operationDec 05 15:28
scienteswhich the other is also a dependency circuitDec 05 15:28
scientesi.e. control flowDec 05 15:29
oiaohmscientes: the qualcomm deal with Microsoft is we will make the drivers and the hardware for you and you agree not to work with anyone else to allow them to make other bring up drivers.Dec 05 15:29
oiaohmscientes: its a really bad deal.Dec 05 15:30
scientesoiaohm, its a big of a deal as Windows isDec 05 15:30
XRevan86scientes: I wonder what you think about what PHP does here :)Dec 05 15:30
scientes**yawn***Dec 05 15:30
oiaohmscientes: so other parties making arm soc chips cannot make their bring up drivers for Windows.Dec 05 15:30
psydroidQualcomm doesn't even have a server processor anymoreDec 05 15:30
psydroidso there is nothing for Microsoft to collaborate onDec 05 15:31
oiaohmpsydroid: yet the deal still holds.Dec 05 15:31
XRevan86it has both && and "and", but they have radically different operator precedenceDec 05 15:31
oiaohmIts a really bad deal.Dec 05 15:31
psydroidunless they take processor development in-house, which they've probably already doneDec 05 15:31
psydroidI don't understand how that deal affects meDec 05 15:31
oiaohmpsydroid: nop Microsoft cannot even go and make their own soc chip under the deal.Dec 05 15:31
oiaohmBasically they have shot self in foot.Dec 05 15:32
oiaohmQualcomm was lot tighter on the deal thinking Microsoft came to them after they had had deal failure with apple.Dec 05 15:32
psydroidI assume these contracts don't last foreverDec 05 15:32
scientespsydroid, Yo todavia estudiar Español todos los diás.Dec 05 15:34
scientesestudioDec 05 15:34
scientesdamnDec 05 15:34
scientespsydroid, it doesn't really matterDec 05 15:34
scientesthey will never have driversDec 05 15:35
psydroidoiaohm, Microsoft can't even create its own RISC-V processor? how stupid of a deal can that be?Dec 05 15:35
scientesand Windows will continue to suck assDec 05 15:35
psydroidyesDec 05 15:35
scientesthey could also just use the Linux driversDec 05 15:35
scientesbut Microsoft doesn't want to do thatDec 05 15:35
scientesbecause of the "virality" of the GPL-2Dec 05 15:35
oiaohmpsydroid: it is that stupid that they cannot create their own risc-v processor as the deal say qualcomm is in charge of silicon design.Dec 05 15:35
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oiaohmpsydroid: and there is no exact time out on the contract.   Only that they break it no more chips at all and they cannot have prepred a replacement.Dec 05 15:36
scientesoiaohm, they are nostolgic of the WinTel daysDec 05 15:36
psydroidI think we are talking about a company that knows it is a has-been, but can't just die without making a mess before giving upDec 05 15:36
oiaohmThis is a deal Microsoft did to attempt deperately to keep windows mobile alive.Dec 05 15:37
oiaohmSo qualcomm knew they had Microsoft over a barrel and well and truly went for it.Dec 05 15:37
scientesoiaohm, **yawn**Dec 05 15:37
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psydroidscientes, lo entiendo, yo tento aprender algo cada semana y avanzar poco a pocoDec 05 15:40
oiaohmMicrosoft forgot one of the most important rules of business.  Never send good money after bad.     And absolutely don't attempt to do a contract while desperate.    Dec 05 15:40
oiaohmOf course damage of that mistake is on going.Dec 05 15:40
psydroidso it was Microsoft who was desperate and not Qualcomm?Dec 05 15:41
psydroidand what has all of this paranoia brought them? zilch? nada?Dec 05 15:41
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oiaohmYep with the windows mobile phone production deal.   As qualcomm could have gone pure android at the time and noticed no harm to bottom line.Dec 05 15:41
scientespoco a poco, exactamenteDec 05 15:42
oiaohmReally Microsoft should have cut their losses on Windows mobile phones at that time instead of signing contract.Dec 05 15:42
oiaohmWhen they had a decent Mobile product then went back to the soc vendors.Dec 05 15:43
oiaohmOr had the balls to design in house.Dec 05 15:43
psydroidas far as I can see Qualcomm has gone full Android, because almost no one bought those Windows phonesDec 05 15:43
scientesDUHDec 05 15:43
psydroidin all of my life I have seen exactly 1 Windows phone, owned by my colleagueDec 05 15:44
oiaohmQualcomm under the deal had no requirement to sell Windows phones either.Dec 05 15:44
oiaohmOnly produce them if they got orders from OEMs.Dec 05 15:44
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oiaohmwho wanted windows mobile phones.Dec 05 15:44
scientespsydroid, to be fair, much of Qualcomm's business is noMMU basebands and other chips that don't run LinuxDec 05 15:44
scientesand run Qualcomms special sauce softwareDec 05 15:44
scientesQualcomm had patents essential for implementing CDMA IIRCDec 05 15:45
oiaohmpsydroid: basically it was a pure no lose deal for Qualcomm with Microsoft giving up a hell of a lot for it.Dec 05 15:45
scientesoiaohm, the end of a bunch of a little is a hell of a lot of nothingDec 05 15:46
scientesits like knowing everything about nothingDec 05 15:46
oiaohmscientes: hell of a lot of restriction on Microsoft going forwards.Dec 05 15:46
scientesoiaohm, Bill Gates wrote "The Way Forward" in the 90s when he had all the powerDec 05 15:47
scientesand like Google's fancy books it had no bearing on reality or what actually happenedDec 05 15:47
oiaohm  Its like Microsoft so call customed processor here.   Its a processor Microsoft had to pay quacomm to design for them.Dec 05 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Microsoft® SQ1™ processor in Surface Pro X | Surface for BusinessDec 05 15:48
MinceRlolDec 05 15:48
oiaohmBasically Microsoft is so far over the barrel its not funny.Dec 05 15:48
scientesoiaohm, **yawn***Dec 05 15:48
MinceRis that like crApple's ARM SoCs?Dec 05 15:48
scientesMinceR, except that Apple was developing arm64 inhouseDec 05 15:49
scientessuch as the arm64 llvm backend Dec 05 15:49
oiaohmMinceR: crApple arm SoC..   Apple in fact has the rights to the silicon design and can take to any foundary they like.Dec 05 15:49
scientes(which is different from the arm32 llvm backend)Dec 05 15:49
psydroidit's just a rebranded Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cxDec 05 15:49
oiaohmMinceR: Microsoft one its Qualcomm choice of foundary to produce the chip and price how much the chips will cost.....Dec 05 15:50
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oiaohmApple is not totally screwed they get to screw everyone else attempting to repair their hardware by keeping sections of the silicon design secret.Dec 05 15:50
MinceRthey managed to screw their customers by making them believe that their products have functionalityDec 05 15:51
scientesMinceR, that is Apple's business modelDec 05 15:51
oiaohmThe means to produce devices and have competition in supply of who makes those devices apple has.Dec 05 15:52
psydroidI don't mind Apple, you can choose to buy into their ecosystem or notDec 05 15:52
psydroidand if you are not in their ecosystem, the company might as well not existDec 05 15:52
scientespsydroid, that is the most common justification of capitalismDec 05 15:52
oiaohmIf apple could come up with decent products with decent support they could be competitive.Dec 05 15:52
scientesand it is a lieDec 05 15:52
scientesthey do everything they can to lock people inDec 05 15:52
scienteslike with Adobe-Apple appianceDec 05 15:52
scientes*allianceDec 05 15:52
oiaohmMicrosoft with the qualcomm contract is just going to be constantly gouged by qualcomm.Dec 05 15:52
oiaohmSo making a entry level product to increase market share Microsoft is not going to be able todo that.Dec 05 15:53
MinceRpsydroid: except they've managed to make the idea of closed platforms and crippled devices popularDec 05 15:53
scientesthankfully no-one gives a shit about Flash anymoreDec 05 15:53
MinceRthey've also made MPEG LA's patent traps publicly acceptedDec 05 15:53
scientesthat shit sure died slowlyDec 05 15:54
MinceRand yes, they've had a hand in turning HTML5 into flash 2 by forcing patent-encumbered patents and DRM into itDec 05 15:54
MinceRs/patents/codecs/Dec 05 15:54
psydroidMinceR, two of my nieces have Apple devices, they learned not to buy those anymore after they got locked out of themDec 05 15:54
scienteswell yeah the html5 drm is sadDec 05 15:54
scientesgoogle is to blame for thatDec 05 15:54
MinceRsome of the damage is already doneDec 05 15:54
MinceRnot only googleDec 05 15:54
MinceRalso apple, adobe, netflix and mozillaDec 05 15:55
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oiaohmscientes: yes and no .   Html 5 drm is sad.   But without html 5 drm we would still have silverlight and flash plugins alive and well.Dec 05 15:55
MinceRthey wouldn't use Silver Lie and Trash for _everything_Dec 05 15:56
scientesoiaohm, not reallyDec 05 15:56
MinceRwith HTML5 DRM all the content can be DRM-ed, including the textDec 05 15:56
MinceRand they have a claim for it being "standard" webDec 05 15:56
oiaohmMinceR: there were journal sites DRM crap behind flash.Dec 05 15:56
MinceRnot many of themDec 05 15:57
scienteswith turing complete js and <canvas> you can do anythingDec 05 15:57
scientesyou don't need DRM featuresDec 05 15:57
oiaohmMost to all of the site using html 5 drm were using silverlight or flash drm before the standard.Dec 05 15:58
oiaohmIt moved the problem.Dec 05 15:58
scientesoiaohm, let them keep using itDec 05 15:58
MinceRthey should have been forced to keep enduring the pain of Silver Lie and TrashDec 05 15:59
oiaohmbrowser makers were wanting to be able sandbox the plugins.Dec 05 15:59
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oiaohmI can understand the choice at the time it has worked to get rid of one problem.Dec 05 16:00
oiaohmBut its left the drm problem.Dec 05 16:00
MinceRit let DRM pushers have their way in everythingDec 05 16:00
oiaohmMinceR:  In fact no the html 5 standard go the DRM pushers to agree to allow their DRM system to be sandboxed so possible feed false information.Dec 05 16:03
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oiaohmSo not everything went exactly their way.Dec 05 16:04
oiaohmI wish less had gone their way.Dec 05 16:04
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psydroidso if Apple is actually dangerous to computing freedom, what can be done to reduce or eliminate the harm the company can do?Dec 05 16:07
psydroidI know I will never buy an Apple device for the rest of my lifeDec 05 16:08
psydroidbut I don't know how to convince other people to do the same thingDec 05 16:08
MinceRat this point, most likely open hardware is necessaryDec 05 16:08
MinceRmanufacturers have already forsaken the professionals and their needsDec 05 16:09
MinceRit's a miracle computers can still be used to do actual workDec 05 16:09
MinceRand it won't lastDec 05 16:09
MinceRapple diverted the industry towards producing fashion accessories for simpletonsDec 05 16:10
MinceRalso, our CPUs are studded with hardware backdoorsDec 05 16:10
psydroidwas that already the case in the late 2000s?Dec 05 16:13
oiaohmApple hardware is very much the disposable computer.Dec 05 16:13
psydroidI have some AMD CPUs from the late BIOS eraDec 05 16:13
oiaohmI still remember being in a apple shop doing a computer upgrade in 1994.Dec 05 16:13
oiaohmIt was like throw away 90 percent of the computer back then.Dec 05 16:14
MinceRapple hardware is not really even a computerDec 05 16:14
MinceRit's a toyDec 05 16:14
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psydroidthis laptop and another one are the only recent ones with Skylake and Kaby Lake CPUsDec 05 16:14
oiaohmApple has really moved to throw away 100 percent.Dec 05 16:14
MinceRat some point they even started using Restricted Boot to ban competing OS-es from bootingDec 05 16:14
MinceRyeah, you can throw it away right as it comes out of the factoryDec 05 16:14
MinceRbecause it's uselessDec 05 16:14
oiaohmpsydroid: not really most laptops are not stupid enough to solider your ssd straight on your motherboard.Dec 05 16:14
psydroidwith or without that T2 chip?Dec 05 16:15
oiaohmApple does that.Dec 05 16:15
MinceRthey can't even design a workable antenna on a mobile phoneDec 05 16:15
MinceRwith that chip, iircDec 05 16:15
oiaohmApple also get suppliers of chips to agree to make apple only designs that they will sell to no one else.Dec 05 16:15
oiaohmEven if it as stupid as mirror image all the chip pins.Dec 05 16:15
MinceRwill the apple logo on the lid light up if the ssd is busted? if so, they're free to solder the ssd on :>Dec 05 16:16
MinceRlolDec 05 16:16
psydroidI have some Apple computers, the logo is awesomeDec 05 16:17
psydroidbut eventually I will probably replace all the internals with free hardwareDec 05 16:17
oiaohmssd controller chip is linked to t2 and other chips so it not powering up with being able to provide the right validation.Dec 05 16:17
oiaohmwith apple.Dec 05 16:17
psydroid(they're PowerPC machines)Dec 05 16:17
oiaohmLets say they have designed laptops that brick extremally well.Dec 05 16:17
MinceRi think the logo is tastelessDec 05 16:17
psydroidhahaDec 05 16:18
psydroidyeah, that was also sarcasm from my sideDec 05 16:18
oiaohmTo be correct the apple logo if you thiink about it is kind of perfect.Dec 05 16:18
oiaohmApple with a bite taken out of it will rot and come useless quicky Dec 05 16:18
oiaohmand this is exactly what apple products do.Dec 05 16:18
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psydroidhasn't their luck run out by now? are people still buying iDevices en masse?Dec 05 16:19
MinceRapparently soDec 05 16:20
oiaohm   << Apple users are not stopping buying the products.   But they have started sueing apple instead.Dec 05 16:24
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oiaohmDumb vs dumbDec 05 16:25
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psydroidwhat about not buying those in the first place?Dec 05 16:26
psydroidmaybe this is just humanity always catering to the lowest common denominatorDec 05 16:27
MinceRthis is humanity acting against its own interestsDec 05 16:27
MinceRas usualDec 05 16:27
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oiaohmpsydroid: the dumb bit it should not be a class action.  It should be basic consumer law.  "fit for purpose" test a laptop with a quickly failing keyboard  fails.   Something that has a major failure the maker of device cannot fix properly under consumer law is straight you give product back and supplier gives money back.Dec 05 16:56
oiaohmpsydroid: I am not saying don't buy the device but it is made badly don't be past returning it and demarding you money back.Dec 05 16:57
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oiaohmpsydroid: then after you got the money back then think about suing for false advertisement of product .....Dec 05 17:00
oiaohmBasically this is not something that should be a class action.Dec 05 17:00
oiaohmMost people are not aware of their consumer rights and even less use them.Dec 05 17:01
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psydroidoiaohm, what MinceR said is also true, all of modern computing is going down the rabbit hole where quality is approaching zero and people have no expectations, they've just become fashion accessoriesDec 05 17:04
psydroidthe people who are not interested in that are becoming the minorityDec 05 17:05
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oiaohmConsumer law requirement on quality is still there.Dec 05 17:06
oiaohmpsydroid: you think about in how many people at school learn about consumer law and the quality they should expect.Dec 05 17:06
psydroidbut if none of the companies obey those laws or only reluctantly?Dec 05 17:07
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oiaohmCompanies obey the law reluctantly they will say stack of stuff like no refunds and the like that is not legal consumer law.Dec 05 17:08
oiaohmWhy they obey the law in the end is if they are found breaking consumer law its like breaking food safety law they can be totally forbid from trading.Dec 05 17:09
oiaohmpsydroid: most people don't get is a privilege to be allowed to sell stuff not a right. Dec 05 17:10
oiaohmconsumer law its unlikely you will have to go to court.  You just need to know the consumer law that applies.   It would be a total idiot business who would push it to court and get forbid from trading.Dec 05 17:11
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oiaohmForbid from trading you cannot like having your store closed that way and then sell your inventory off on ebay.    Basically you end up if forbid from trading having to give away your remaining stock to some charity for free.Dec 05 17:13
oiaohmConsumer law is nasty.Dec 05 17:14
oiaohmto those who break it with anything more than some stuborn lies against people who don't know the law.Dec 05 17:14
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psydroidso maybe we should be investigating consumer law on a larger scale and see if the computer industry is different in some way to what is considered acceptable in other industriesDec 05 17:19
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DaemonFC[m]Those people selling crap from China always pay you to delete your bad review when it breaks or you find out it was fake.Dec 05 17:37
DaemonFC[m]That way they can have only good reviews even though they're selling fake junk.Dec 05 17:37
DaemonFC[m]I bought a phone battery from them and someone literally copied the LG sticker and got the font completely wrong.Dec 05 17:38
DaemonFC[m]I put it in my phone and charged it and thr piece of shit randomly killed out on me.Dec 05 17:39
DaemonFC[m]Scotty Kilmer was complaining about cheap Chinese car tires on his wife's Toyota and said they were leaking air all the time.Dec 05 17:39
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DaemonFC[m]I have Chinese tires on the Impala right now and they have no trouble with holding air.Dec 05 17:40
DaemonFC[m]I had way more trouble with Goodyear tires made in America not holding air.Dec 05 17:40
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DaemonFC[m]oiaohm They like to say you get better tires at a higher price and to some extent it's true.Dec 05 17:51
DaemonFC[m]But I drive old cars and I rotated a cheap pair that lasted me more than 8 years and still had 65% on them when I sold the car.Dec 05 17:52
DaemonFC[m]So why buy expensive tires?Dec 05 17:52
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MinceRDaemonFC[m]: tires also age and need to be replaced eventually anyway, otherwise they become dangerousDec 05 18:59
MinceRon my previous car, i replaced the tires not because they were worn (they weren't), but because they were oldDec 05 19:00
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, mom didn't understand why I replaced the back tires.Dec 05 19:00
DaemonFC[m]I said because they sold her old ones that were discontinued and made 3 years before she bought them and now they were 7 years old.Dec 05 19:01
DaemonFC[m]She's like so what.Dec 05 19:01
DaemonFC[m]So I said they were aging and one of them had a giant crack in the sidewall and I didn't feel like having my rear tires blow out.Dec 05 19:02
DaemonFC[m]She doesn't rotate her tires and then she has Walmart stick the cheapest thing they've had laying in the back since the Clinton administration.Dec 05 19:03
DaemonFC[m]Then she wonders why she has flats all the time and says she's glad she paid extra for the tire plan that actually costs her tban a new tire.Dec 05 19:04
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I was in the car with her one day when I was a kid.Dec 05 19:04
DaemonFC[m]She spaced out and ran over a curb at 20 miles an hour and then argued with the guy for trying to do an alignment on the front end.Dec 05 19:05
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DaemonFC[m]Just accept that if she gives you a free car you'll spend at least 4 grand making it run right and that's why she was finished with it.Dec 05 19:06
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Basically, all the repair bills put together equal what an Impala in generally okay shape would have cost me.Dec 05 19:06
DaemonFC[m]And the only difference is since she has the title, she can insure it for five bucks a month and the bankruptcy court won't be able to take it to pay my creditors.Dec 05 19:07
DaemonFC[m]There was no fluid it was not leaking when this began.Dec 05 19:08
DaemonFC[m]The tires were fucked.Dec 05 19:08
DaemonFC[m]She lost a brake line trying to leave town with it and I had to stall the finance company so I could keep driving the car they were trying to repossess for another week.Dec 05 19:09
DaemonFC[m]On, and on, and on.Dec 05 19:09
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MinceR:)Dec 05 19:18
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's really dumb to finance a car, period.Dec 05 19:30
DaemonFC[m]But you're never done paying for it.Dec 05 19:30
DaemonFC[m]The only factors that are somewhat in your control are what your insurance premiums will look like. You can get the same coverage at shockingly different prices and if you don't shop around, you'll get screwed over by someone.Dec 05 19:30
DaemonFC[m]She always manages to pick the worst insurance company ever and then after she pays them the standard arm, leg, eye, kidney, and testicle price for years and years, they don't even stand behind the policy when she has a claim.Dec 05 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Then she beats the fuck out of her cars and skips all of the maintenance unless a mechanic happens to suggest it along the way. I mean, basic stuff that's in every owner's manual.Dec 05 19:32
DaemonFC[m]So, there's that.Dec 05 19:32
DaemonFC[m]So the repair bills are high, even for the unreliable brand (Chevy) she buys to begin with.Dec 05 19:32
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I reviewed an insurance agent where I used to live.Dec 05 19:43
oiaohmHmm Greg KH is talking about next year working on USB drivers for linux done in BPF.Dec 05 19:43
DaemonFC[m]I called him crooked and said he dodges your phone calls and plays dumb if you ever have a claim after charging "an arm, leg, eye, kidney, and testicle", which is why I ditched him years ago.Dec 05 19:43
MinceRso next year we can expect the USB stack in Linux to stop working?Dec 05 19:43
*MinceR takes notesDec 05 19:43
DaemonFC[m]No matter how bad Firefox gets, you can always count on Chrome to use four times as much memory, crash more, crash and keep running after it bails out, and spy on you.Dec 05 19:44
*psydroid recently found out Greg KH lives here so is offering to take him out before he takes working USB support out of LinuxDec 05 19:45
DaemonFC[m]That being said,  I have no trouble believing Google that there are bugs in Webkit that can allow a remote takeover and rootkitting of your iPhone, having examined Webkit.Dec 05 19:46
MinceRpsydroid: niceDec 05 19:47
DaemonFC[m]The only reason I care at all is because Geary uses Webkit to render HTML in my email.Dec 05 19:48
DaemonFC[m]I guess I could go back to Sylpheed. Dec 05 19:48
DaemonFC[m]PornHub has Black Friday deals?Dec 05 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Well, first off that was last week.Dec 05 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Secondly, who pays hundreds of dollars to an internet porn site?Dec 05 19:50
DaemonFC[m]I heard it takes in billions and has an economy the size of a small country, but I figured it was mostly ads.Dec 05 19:51
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I heard the UK bitching that DNS over HTTPS was going to interfere with their censorship regime convinced Mozilla to disable it over there and hide it in advanced preferences that most people will never see.Dec 05 19:52
DaemonFC[m]This is actually even worse than Tumblr making itself irrelevant to comply with crApple's censorship so they wouldn't get the boot from the App Store.Dec 05 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Apple can only go up and threaten people who are in their App Store, but a nation state corrupting Mozilla is much more concerning. Dec 05 19:53
MinceRmozilla bends over backwards for anyone who has lots of moneyDec 05 19:53
MinceRfor all their posturing as the champions of the free web, they just let everything happenDec 05 19:54
DaemonFC[m]PornHub has an Andoid app you can sideload.Dec 05 19:54
DaemonFC[m]But it's HTML 5, so it works in any browser, including Safari.Dec 05 19:55
DaemonFC[m]I suppose that in the UK if you type in pornhub it'll give you a fake 404 not found from your ISP.Dec 05 19:55
DaemonFC[m]And they were livid that Mozilla was going to fix that.Dec 05 19:55
DaemonFC[m]Probably threatened to add Mozilla to "the list".Dec 05 19:55
DaemonFC[m]So much for "free country". Conservatives here have actually formed an odd alliance with radical feminists to try to censor porn from the internet.Dec 05 19:56
DaemonFC[m]But they keep losing in court.Dec 05 19:56
DaemonFC[m]The odd part of the feminist claim that porn is harmful to women ignores the fact that most male porn actors say it's not pleasant shooting a porn scene because you're not just going in there and fucking someone and having fun.Dec 05 19:57
DaemonFC[m]It's odd angles, hours on end. It's a job that pays very little, is not fun, and demeans men.Dec 05 19:57
DaemonFC[m]In fact, it pays so little that straight men end up doing gay stuff for more money.Dec 05 19:57
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DaemonFC[m]So if anything it's a lot more harmful to men, but nobody wants to hear men complaining about anything, so it's ignored.Dec 05 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Nobody worries what men are going through. The only reason suicide is getting any press these days is because it's up to nearly Japan levels. It's double under Trump what it was in the 90s. And the gap between women and men is closing.Dec 05 20:01
MinceRfinally, equality in something :>Dec 05 20:02
DaemonFC[m]Women are always bitching over something.Dec 05 20:08
DaemonFC[m]"Did you know that women only make 78 cents on every MAN DOLLAR!?".Dec 05 20:08
DaemonFC[m]Me: "Well, it must not be so bad or there would be more than 0.62 women throwing themselves in front of a train for every man doing it.".Dec 05 20:09
DaemonFC[m]I don't know. It seemed so obvious.Dec 05 20:09
MinceRthey're not demanding quotas on heavy manual labor jobs, somehowDec 05 20:10
DaemonFC[m]Which, actually pay less.Dec 05 20:11
DaemonFC[m]The more you actually work, the less you actually get paid.Dec 05 20:11
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Men and women psychologically measure their social success differently.Dec 05 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Consider this. People putting cars together for Volkswagen in Tennessee make $18 an hour, but my ex who sits on his ass all day and throws shampoo in the trash at the airport makes $24.Dec 05 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes I think the government does this kind of crap just to fuck with us.Dec 05 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Beyond throwing out the shampoo, of course.Dec 05 20:13
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: So saying that there's a correlation between salaries and suicide rate when comparing sexes, that just doesn't make much sense.Dec 05 20:13
MinceRXRevan86: seems all this "wage gap" nonsense proves that at least some do measure their social success in the same way :>Dec 05 20:15
XRevan86Not to say anything about individual women, but at large it all sums up like that.Dec 05 20:15
XRevan86MinceR: Eh, it's more about equal footing than being successful as a person.Dec 05 20:16
MinceRin that case, equal footing also seems to imply equal tendency to suicideDec 05 20:18
MinceRand we're getting there!Dec 05 20:18
MinceRalso, if women's labor was really cheaper for its price, you'd see businesses scrambling to employ as many women as possibleDec 05 20:18
MinceRsince then they'd get the labor they want/need for lessDec 05 20:18
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yeah, "I have more money than you. I have a car that falls apart as I laugh about it and I literally throw more money away on getting someone else's tap water delivered by truck  than helping family.". Seen it.Dec 05 20:20
DaemonFC[m]"By the way, are you even in a real marriage?"Dec 05 20:20
MinceRlolDec 05 20:21
scientesam I the only person that finds millenials super annoyingDec 05 20:21
scientesthey are obnoxiousDec 05 20:21
DaemonFC[m]"Look at me. I just paid $400 a tire on something that makes my German car shockingly worse, as I crack rims driving over Illinois roads."Dec 05 20:21
scientesmaybe it is just that I only meet the ones with moneyDec 05 20:21
scientesand few millenials have any moneyDec 05 20:21
scientesor maybe that I just need to learn to tell them to fuck offDec 05 20:22
scienteshow do i tell an annoying millenial to fuck off?Dec 05 20:22
scientesI they need to get punched in the face for puting video cameras in people's faces without askingDec 05 20:22
scientesand asking people to act like circus clownsDec 05 20:22
scientesfor their entertainmentDec 05 20:22
scientesthey have turned life into a circusDec 05 20:22
scientesI am not the only person that has complained about thisDec 05 20:24
*XRevan86 has absolutely no idea.Dec 05 20:24
scientesthe millenials idea that it is normal to film their own shitDec 05 20:24
scientesand put it on YouTubeDec 05 20:24
XRevan86Did the US turn into the hipsterland? :)Dec 05 20:25
scientesthis arrogance that someone else is interestedDec 05 20:25
scientesno, I'm in GeorgiaDec 05 20:25
DaemonFC[m]The same way you tell anyone to fuck off these days. "Hey, you stupid piece of shit. Hey fuckface. Try reading a book. Nobody thinks your $400 mud jeans from the mall are ironic."Dec 05 20:25
scientesand complaining about abnoxious Turkish touristsDec 05 20:25
scientesthey like to get drunk here tooDec 05 20:25
XRevan86scientes: Oh, it's just that these generational groups aren't wired for any place outside of the US.Dec 05 20:26
MinceRi don't think i've met a person acting like that hereDec 05 20:26
scientesXRevan86, yes, that tooDec 05 20:26
scienteshe walks around with this camera whose mount makes it look like a gunDec 05 20:26
scientesand points it at peopleDec 05 20:26
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86 Shitcago did. They think it's funnier than hell to live in a high crime cesspit where a basic apartment costs $2,000 while people are shooting each other every second.Dec 05 20:27
scientesI just don't see why they don't get that life is really boringDec 05 20:27
scientesand that no-one really cares about his lifeDec 05 20:27
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Did what?Dec 05 20:27
DaemonFC[m]They think Indiana is bad because you can get a $400 apartment and can take a walk at 3 AM if you want and the only thing you get is fresh air and the sound of crickets. Dec 05 20:27
scientesLife when I was in the US I laughed at PortlandiaDec 05 20:28
scientesbut Portlandia is a lieDec 05 20:28
scientes(and the creators know it)Dec 05 20:28
DaemonFC[m]They think we're rubes.Dec 05 20:28
scientesits only funny if you buy into the stupidDec 05 20:28
scientesthat anyone cares at allDec 05 20:28
scientesthis attitude is actually very old in the USDec 05 20:29
scientesits based on the fear of not being "normal"Dec 05 20:29
XRevan86scientes: The world got a lot bigger, and relatively we all got smaller. I guess a lot of young persons have a problem with self-worth.Dec 05 20:29
scienteswhich is a horrible perversionDec 05 20:29
XRevan86"pay attention to me, show me that I exist"Dec 05 20:30
DaemonFC[m]The problem is that a lot of people act fake rich and it's why they're broke no matter how much money they make.Dec 05 20:30
scientesXRevan86, yes, but they need to understand that the very feeling of woring about their self-worth means their life is so good that they have time for such bullshitDec 05 20:30
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scientesthats the arrogance which is why people hate "liberals" so muchDec 05 20:31
XRevan86scientes: Humans are funny little buggers, they compare their success to their peers, not to some absoluteDec 05 20:31
scientesthat is trueDec 05 20:31
scientesI am differentDec 05 20:31
scientesjust like you talked about control and I'm like "control is boring to me"Dec 05 20:32
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DaemonFC[m]Well, that and once you've been around them, you realize that they're mostly high tax Republicans plus abortion.Dec 05 20:32
scientesthat certain things are only fun if you like controlling other peopleDec 05 20:32
scientes<XRevan86> scientes: Humans are funny little buggers, they compare their success to their peers, not to some absoluteDec 05 20:32
scientesthis is a perversion of "success" that has its origins in trying to control other peopleDec 05 20:32
XRevan86scientes: I probably talked about control over one's life.Dec 05 20:33
scientesso such "humans" are pervertsDec 05 20:33
scientesI'm paraphrasing, and its loses in paraphraseDec 05 20:33
scientesloses its meaningDec 05 20:33
DaemonFC[m]I'd like to interject for a moment. What you call the "Democratic Party" is just Republicans with high taxes and abortion. Or Republican/High Tax/Abortion as I have taken to calling it. When you refer to them as the Democratic Party, you overlook the fact that many of them are just as bad as Republicans, and even worse.Dec 05 20:33
scientesDaemonFC[m], i am using liberal in a VERY broad senseDec 05 20:34
XRevan86scientes: It's more about being a useful contributor to one's community, with success being a reward for good work.Dec 05 20:34
scientesbut if you want to know what that word means you have to read Adam Smith, and John Stewart MillDec 05 20:34
DaemonFC[m]Yes, there are "liberals", in America, but that's what you call Centrist Canadian politics.Dec 05 20:34
scientesand those liberals are not even socialistsDec 05 20:34
MinceRlol @ interjectionDec 05 20:34
XRevan86Such terms kinda worned off for meDec 05 20:35
scientesand "socialist" is another one of those words that means many thingsDec 05 20:35
scientes<XRevan86> scientes: It's more about being a useful contributor to one's community, with success being a reward for good work.Dec 05 20:35
scientesoh yes, you are rightDec 05 20:35
scientesand this very basic monkey sense of "fairness"Dec 05 20:36
scientesits more about fairness than anything elseDec 05 20:36
scientesgetting jealous of ones neighborsDec 05 20:36
XRevan86scientes: It's a very basic motivator, not to be a leech on others.Dec 05 20:36
psydroidI understand what scientes is saying, some people just want to have control over others even if they don't know anything and are not even 1/100th the person they could be if they wantedDec 05 20:36
scientesthat too, and 5 year olds have that, when they insist on doing things themselvesDec 05 20:36
MinceRif so, there are lots of people it doesn't work inDec 05 20:36
MinceRpoliticians, microsoft management, etc.Dec 05 20:37
DaemonFC[m]We actually have a name for people like Illinois Governor JB Pritzker. "Limousine Liberal". It means someone who says he cares about public education, then sends his kids to private school so they won't have to associate with the hoi polloi. Says he wants mass transit, and then takes a jet from Chicago to Springfield and back... That sort of thing.Dec 05 20:37
XRevan86scientes: Suicide makes a lot of sense in this context, as it's a last resort when a person feels they are permanently screwed ⇒ a burden for their community.Dec 05 20:37
MinceRmost jets are mass transitDec 05 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Says "Medicaid for everyone." is fair, and then he and other government insiders get platinum level private plans with a personal masseuse.Dec 05 20:38
XRevan86So their genes tell them: it's better for my propagation if you, the burden, remove yourself from the equation.Dec 05 20:38
scientesXRevan86, yes, and there is a strong effort to remove that feeling from societyDec 05 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Says he'll improve living conditions for black people, and then just hands them on demand abortion and asks what else they could possibly want.Dec 05 20:39
scientesbecause bankers see culture and society as a threat to their existenceDec 05 20:39
scientesand continued ability to fleece everybodyDec 05 20:39
XRevan86So if a person doesn't feel rewarded, i.e. a useful contributor that the community appreciates, that sense kicks in.Dec 05 20:39
scientesbut there also is the fake suicide threatsDec 05 20:39
scienteswhich are much more common these daysDec 05 20:40
scientesthe workers at fox-conn using the threat of suicide to get better conditionsDec 05 20:40
scientes(i'm not calling them fakers)Dec 05 20:40
scientesi'm trying to point out how this global so-called liberal elite banking system worksDec 05 20:40
MinceRwhat a joyful place that must be to workDec 05 20:40
scientesits based on milk and meatDec 05 20:40
XRevan86scientes: My point is that the contemporary society is really freaky with how it gives humans rewards and punishments, and that makes suicide ever more unpredictable.Dec 05 20:40
scientesMinceR, exactly the pointDec 05 20:40
scientesXRevan86, yes, which is what these smart workers figured outDec 05 20:41
scientesthose that are actually commiting suicide like this are the indian farmersDec 05 20:41
scientesas they were celebrated by Hindu religionDec 05 20:41
scientesand now they are see as nothingsDec 05 20:41
scientes*not seenDec 05 20:42
XRevan86I'm looking at it from an urban context strictlyDec 05 20:42
scientesin San Francisco the only economic activity I saw was the addition of nets to the Golden Gate bridgeDec 05 20:42
DaemonFC[m]JB Pritzker is just another ham handed fake liberal piece of shit who has to "whitesplain" everything to people of color. And the sad part is how many people go along with it. But that doesn't make them unusual, because many people are stupid enough to believe Trump.Dec 05 20:42
scientesXRevan86, there were also posters asking people to turn in their neighbors to the courtsDec 05 20:43
scientesbecause no-body wanted to buy advertisingDec 05 20:43
scientesits really distopianDec 05 20:43
scientesthese were everywhereDec 05 20:43
DaemonFC[m]They're both fat entitled billionaires who have no intention of disrupting the status quo and giving every day people a break. That's just something they say before they stick you in the ear.Dec 05 20:43
scientesits like a poster "Big brother is watching you!"Dec 05 20:44
scientesits because the elites know that a properly covered suicide could change everythingDec 05 20:44
scientesthat suicide points out how depressing life isDec 05 20:45
scientesso they have to destroy suicide with a Technical (!) solutionDec 05 20:45
scientesbecause everything has a solutionDec 05 20:45
scientesand the technical solutions are bestDec 05 20:45
scientesfucking idiotsDec 05 20:45
scientesjust like the tesla price skyrocketed after the bolivian coupDec 05 20:46
MinceRit's cheaperDec 05 20:46
MinceRand they don't really careDec 05 20:46
DaemonFC[m]The only way for this to end is the collapse of the government.Dec 05 20:46
scientesfucking idiotsDec 05 20:46
DaemonFC[m]So that's really all I ever hope for these days.Dec 05 20:46
scientescrazy delusionsal senile fucksDec 05 20:46
MinceRthe "social contract" is a scamDec 05 20:46
scientesthe elites in the US are very odl these days, and their underestimate how senile they have becomeDec 05 20:46
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I don't recall ever signing a "social contract".Dec 05 20:46
MinceRno one doesDec 05 20:46
XRevan86scientes: To turn in the neighbours to the courts for what?Dec 05 20:46
psydroidwhat "social contract"?Dec 05 20:47
scientesXRevan86, mainly domestic violenceDec 05 20:47
MinceR 05 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social contract - WikipediaDec 05 20:47
scientesMinceR, maybe its because God doesn't sing contractsDec 05 20:48
scienteshe didn't sign a contract with Abraham or MosesDec 05 20:48
MinceRlolDec 05 20:48
scientes*signDec 05 20:48
MinceR"God" doesn't sign contracts because "God" doesn't existDec 05 20:48
XRevan86A fancy term for "people roll with the state until they're annoyed with it en masse too much and know it"Dec 05 20:48
scientesMinceR, god is the best way to describe many thingsDec 05 20:48
MinceRthis is just humans fucking over other humans routinely and finding bullshit excuses for itDec 05 20:48
MinceRscientes: no it isn'tDec 05 20:48
scientesMinceR, like read this 05 20:48
XRevan86Why does Electron exist? God.Dec 05 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Reza Aslan - WikipediaDec 05 20:49
scienteshe is describing real things with god, where no other word would sufficeDec 05 20:49
scientesand your anti-god stupidity (and I am not saying atheism is stupid) is just really annoyingDec 05 20:49
MinceRthen he's describing them incorrectlyDec 05 20:49
scientesagain you are like a broken recordDec 05 20:49
DaemonFC[m]The problem with a state is that when people get fed up with it, they just make another state, and then the problem returns.Dec 05 20:49
MinceRi'm not atheist, i'm agnosticDec 05 20:49
*XRevan86 is atheist.Dec 05 20:49
MinceR"God" is capitalized because it refers to a particular monotheistic godDec 05 20:49
MinceRone that is defined in such a way that it is impossible for it to existDec 05 20:50
MinceRand these things do not need the god (or the "God") hypothesis for their explanationsDec 05 20:50
scientesAslan refers to Al Qaeda's jihad against the west as "a cosmic war", distinct from holy war, in which rival religious groups are engaged in an earthly battle for material goals. "A cosmic war is like a ritual drama in which participants act out on earth a battle they believe is actually taking place in the heavens." American rhetoric of "war on terrorism", Aslan says, is in precise "cosmic dualism" to Al Qaeda's jihad. Dec 05 20:50
DaemonFC[m]The government has created mass poverty because "police" ensure that those pesky poor people get shot when they start bothering the important people.Dec 05 20:50
scientesthat is really well saidDec 05 20:50
scientesI don't think it could be any better saidDec 05 20:50
XRevan86MinceR: C'mon, we all know to how to make it possible to exist.Dec 05 20:51
XRevan86Cherry-pick all the things that are psausible enough under your fallacies, and there you go, you've constructed yourself a G-d.Dec 05 20:51
MinceRwell, the cultists may believe they're acting out a battle in the heavensDec 05 20:51
MinceRthat doesn't make it soDec 05 20:51
scientesits far better than just saying that homophobes are stupidDec 05 20:51
MinceRXRevan86: yes, but that's _a_ god, not "God"Dec 05 20:51
scientesso admit that homophobes really do believe that "god hates fags"Dec 05 20:51
scientesbecause that *is* what they believeDec 05 20:51
MinceRthey may well believe thatDec 05 20:51
MinceRthough not necessarily all of themDec 05 20:51
XRevan86MinceR: Cherry-pick from The God, and you'll get that.Dec 05 20:51
scientes^^^^^ exactlyDec 05 20:51
MinceRand regardless of whether they believe it, it isn't trueDec 05 20:51
scientesthat's where you miss the pointDec 05 20:51
XRevan86MinceR: Just ignore what you're too smart to accept.Dec 05 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Well, I wouldn't say all homophobes are stupid. Many are. It's something that goes together like peas and carrots, as Forest Gump would put it. But they might just be revolted. Many of them are simply too chickenshit to say it and hide behind religion.Dec 05 20:52
MinceRXRevan86: ok, then i cherry-pick this: "There is no God" from Psalm 14:1Dec 05 20:52
XRevan86MinceR: cheaterDec 05 20:53
MinceR:>Dec 05 20:53
MinceRthis is no more cheating than any other act of cherry-pickingDec 05 20:53
scientesI am kinda making an argument that Moses and Abraham didn't sign a contract with God because that would make the religion too obviously stupidDec 05 20:53
MinceRlolDec 05 20:53
DaemonFC[m]I have more respect for the ones who just admit they're personally disgusted. Not much more, but more. Don't try to tow God into it.Dec 05 20:53
scienteslike "who the fuck would make such a stupid deal"Dec 05 20:53
MinceRbut abrahamic religions _are_ obviously stupidDec 05 20:53
scienteswith this "god" that they don't trustDec 05 20:53
scientesMinceR, but i'm saying it would be *more* stupidDec 05 20:54
scientesbecause that is how stupid contracts areDec 05 20:54
scientesthey are more stupid that religionDec 05 20:54
MinceRthe same people who believe that the pinnacle of morality is a "God" who curses a fig tree for not being in fruiting seasonDec 05 20:54
scientesMinceR, I would tooDec 05 20:54
MinceRthe same people who believe that charging any interest rate on lended money is "usury" and evilDec 05 20:54
scientesthe fig tree exists for my pleasure MinceR Dec 05 20:54
MinceRscientes: even if you were omniscient?Dec 05 20:54
scientesMinceR, so when it is not fruiting it is sinningDec 05 20:54
MinceReven if you created the species that way?Dec 05 20:54
scientesI never claimed to be godDec 05 20:55
DaemonFC[m]The only universal truth is that when you start off with "I had to thoroughly research this topic before coming up with a comprehensive opinion of my own." pisses everyone off.Dec 05 20:55
MinceRthe same people who believe that knowledge is evilDec 05 20:55
scientesMinceR, but knowledge is sweetDec 05 20:55
scientes(that's actually the whole damn point)Dec 05 20:55 knowledge revenge?Dec 05 20:55
XRevan86MinceR: The pinnacle of morality is burning two cities to the ground for being too obnoxious for G-d's taste.Dec 05 20:56
scientes"revenge is sweet" is a contradiction to make a pointDec 05 20:56
scientesjust like "patience is a virtue"Dec 05 20:56
scientesthese are proverbsDec 05 20:56
MinceRoh, and the same people who believe that two chapters telling the creation story in a way that contradict each other are both trueDec 05 20:56
MinceRand that the writing containing them contains no errorsDec 05 20:56
scientesMinceR, well that is protestantismDec 05 20:56
MinceRthere's nothing contradictory about revenge being sweetDec 05 20:56
scientesand such thinking is inrtedibly stupidDec 05 20:57
scientessuch ideas are incredibly stupidDec 05 20:57
scientesthey are not thinkingDec 05 20:57
scientesthey are the absense of itDec 05 20:57
MinceRscientes: can we defeat "God" with iron chariots?Dec 05 20:57
XRevan86MinceR: You know, 05 20:58
MinceRlolDec 05 20:58
scientesfuck meDec 05 20:58
scientesjavascipt and PHPDec 05 20:58
MinceRare abrahamics written in javascript?Dec 05 20:58
DaemonFC[m]MinceR, that's almost everyone in this day and age. The people who do or don't go to church just end up making the state a church, so same result, even if they argue between themselves. The state is just another religion. It only has power because humans made it up and handed it over and imposed a set of commandments on their neighbors.Dec 05 20:59
MinceRjehovahscriptDec 05 20:59
scientes^^^^Dec 05 20:59
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: yeahDec 05 20:59
scientesDaemonFC[m], there is much truth to thatDec 05 20:59
MinceRexcept for a few people who don't believe in either, like myself :>Dec 05 20:59
scientes$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Dec 05 20:59
scientes✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞Dec 05 21:00
scientes^^what is the difference?Dec 05 21:00
MinceRthe first one works betterDec 05 21:00
scientesMinceR, until it doesn'tDec 05 21:00
DaemonFC[m]Oh, as a Libertarian and an anarchist in many ways, I don't care what people believe as long as it doesn't directly harm me, but it always does. The state and religion always bother you even if you aren't doing anything wrong. They just can't keep their cotton picking hands to themselves.Dec 05 21:00
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: people should learn to treat religion as a private matter and then it wouldn't matterDec 05 21:01
scientesMinceR, people will switch to €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€Dec 05 21:01
XRevan86scientes: This reminds me of the Patriarch's processions and helicopter rides for some reasonDec 05 21:02
scientesand then 卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐 ??Dec 05 21:02
MinceRbuddhism?Dec 05 21:03
XRevan86to buddhism?Dec 05 21:03
*XRevan86 is original and smartDec 05 21:03
*MinceR is tooDec 05 21:03
DaemonFC[m]The state being in control of money, has control over who has money. And in the case of the American government, about 1% have 90% of it.Dec 05 21:03
MinceRit is possible to have money no state can controlDec 05 21:04
scientesDaemonFC[m], which doesn't matter when people switch to 卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐Dec 05 21:04
scientesMinceR, it is possible to have worthless money no state can controlDec 05 21:04
scientesFTFYDec 05 21:04
MinceRit has the worth people give to itDec 05 21:04
XRevan86scientes: I think you're confusing buddhism and anarchyDec 05 21:05
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Not so. The federal government doesn't acknowledge cryptocurrency as money, but at the same time, they claim you must pay taxes on it even though it's not money, and they routinely seize it and auction it off, even though it has no value, you see.Dec 05 21:05
MinceRlolDec 05 21:05
MinceRthey don't have to know about itDec 05 21:05
MinceRthey also don't have to know who owns itDec 05 21:05
scientesand it also still has no valueDec 05 21:06
scientesso it doesn't matter who owns itDec 05 21:06
DaemonFC[m]Ever since Putin announced a cryptorubble, his servant, Trump, decided to jump on this carbon-spewing bandwagon of Gunning Krugerism. Dec 05 21:07
DaemonFC[m]DunningDec 05 21:07
*XRevan86 completely forgot about that.Dec 05 21:07
scientesjust classic Putin-politicsDec 05 21:08
scienteslike saying that "Russian could one day join the EU"Dec 05 21:08
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure the Crypto Dollar will be another way for Trump and other rich criminals to hide their own money from the taxation their laws subject us to. Probably Putin's idea for the Russin Oligarchs as well.Dec 05 21:08
XRevan86Did they actually make it though?Dec 05 21:08
scienteswell the Venezuelan bitcoin-currencyDec 05 21:09
scienteswas a real thingDec 05 21:09
scientesdesigned to side-step US control over SWIFT and ABADec 05 21:09
DaemonFC[m]Who knows if the Crypto Dollar will ever exist. It could be like the Impenetrable Wall (except with $100 saws from Home Depot) or the Space Force.Dec 05 21:10
XRevan86Millions will be spent on making a national Wikipedia competitor %)Dec 05 21:10
scientescause transporting actual $100 bills is annoyingDec 05 21:10
MinceRconservapedia?Dec 05 21:10
scientesand are not very well acceptedDec 05 21:10
scientesalso China doesn't want to export the gazillions that they haveDec 05 21:10
scientesexcept for GoldDec 05 21:10
XRevan86The updated Big Russian EncyclopaediaDec 05 21:10
scientesits like the middle ages all over againDec 05 21:10
scienteswith china only wanting gold and raw mineralsDec 05 21:11
scientesbut this time they are dumping opium (fentanyl) on the USDec 05 21:11
MinceR:>Dec 05 21:11
XRevan86will probably end up somewhere near the national search engine SputnikDec 05 21:11
scientesand If the US demands that China end the trade war and stop dumping opium we will have the 3rd opium warDec 05 21:12
DaemonFC[m]We all know that the main use for Viagra is when coked up billionaires can't get it up.Dec 05 21:13
scientesthat actually is pretty good grounds for warDec 05 21:13
scientesgiven that china only exports fentanylDec 05 21:13
DaemonFC[m]But apparently meth does the same thing, so it's popular with that crowd too.Dec 05 21:13
scientesits not for local consumptionDec 05 21:13
scientesand the US is so backwards these days it probably can't manufacture it anywaysDec 05 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Anyone who dies from using this stuff probably wasn't our best people, so yeah.Dec 05 21:14
DaemonFC[m]I'm sort of on the fence about the drug epidemic, because it's proving that the really Jesusey parts of the country don't have it any better for all of the praying they do.Dec 05 21:14
scientesDaemonFC[m], they are not praying enoughDec 05 21:14
scientesthat is the problemDec 05 21:15
DaemonFC[m]Some lady overdosed and died in the bathroom at my mom's church.Dec 05 21:15
DaemonFC[m]So it looks like she was resorting to a little bit of everything on the way down.Dec 05 21:15
DaemonFC[m]And that's sad.Dec 05 21:15
scientesits because she stopped praying to shoot upDec 05 21:15
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: What did she do in a church?Dec 05 21:15
DaemonFC[m]Opioids. What do all rednecks OD on?Dec 05 21:15
DaemonFC[m]It's where most of the Dr. Feelgood clinics are. Rural America.Dec 05 21:16
scientesDaemonFC[m], hickeysDec 05 21:16
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I see.Dec 05 21:16
DaemonFC[m]It's a scourge, and now they're saying that most of the AIDS deaths in America are rural areas too.Dec 05 21:16
scientesXRevan86, its also part of the suicide thing you talk aboutDec 05 21:16
DaemonFC[m]People sharing drug needles and shit. It's not even gay men anymore.Dec 05 21:16
scientesand schestowitz has talked to me about this tooDec 05 21:16
XRevan86scientes: Not really, I focused on how a functioning brain works.Dec 05 21:17
scientesa society where your only value is in buying stuff is a extremely sad existenceDec 05 21:17
XRevan86scientes: Ah, right.Dec 05 21:17
scientesthat's why the NY Times writes an article sympathizing with the opiate epidemic in Silicon ValleyDec 05 21:18
scientesand LawyersDec 05 21:18
scientesand DoctorsDec 05 21:18
scienteset ceteraDec 05 21:18
XRevan86Suddenly the War on Drugs seems too harsh, ehDec 05 21:19
scientesnoDec 05 21:19
scientesyou have to be harshDec 05 21:19
scienteswell, no the war on drugs is all about corruptionDec 05 21:19
scientesnot harshnessDec 05 21:19
scientesits where the complete ignoring of property rights by the police comes fromDec 05 21:19
scienteswhere the police just take your shitDec 05 21:19
scientesand then the state of Arizona bans the practice....and the police just keep on doing itDec 05 21:20
scientesbut you have to be stern with these people, its exactly what they needDec 05 21:20
scientesbut there is this huge US racket of "recovery" from opiate additionDec 05 21:20
scientesits one of the biggest growth "industries" (i.e. rackets)Dec 05 21:20
scientesand its all about "compassion"Dec 05 21:21
scienteswhich anyone who has ever known an addict knows is a stupid ideaDec 05 21:21
scientesaddicts need meaning in their life, that is what led them to become an addict in the first placeDec 05 21:21
XRevan86scientes: By "harsh" I mean not caring about the individual at all. Something in the realm of a Russian prison.Dec 05 21:22
scientesXRevan86, if you read GULAG Archipelag you learn that Russian prisons under Tsar times they could have gardensDec 05 21:23
XRevan86scientes: Solzhenitsyn is a tsarist, so…Dec 05 21:24
scientesoh interestingDec 05 21:24
scienteshe did have a romanticism for WW1Dec 05 21:24
XRevan86Here's definitely on the orthodox romance side.Dec 05 21:24
scienteshe had planned this massive work on WW1Dec 05 21:25
XRevan86The biggest curse of the bolshevism on Russia is abolishment of religion, yesDec 05 21:25
scientesI read the uncompleted first partDec 05 21:25
XRevan86spirituality, nationality, all that stuffDec 05 21:25
XRevan86basically, he's biasedDec 05 21:25
scientesXRevan86, that song had that too and Georgians feel the sameDec 05 21:25
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XRevan86I wonder what his opinion on Putin is, since Putin buffs the Orthodox church big timeDec 05 21:26
scientesis he still alive?Dec 05 21:26
XRevan86Oh, I thought he is…Dec 05 21:26
XRevan862008Dec 05 21:26
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XRevan86> In 2008 Solzhenitsyn praised Putin, saying Russia was rediscovering what it meant to be Russian.Dec 05 21:27
scientesOK, you are rightDec 05 21:27
XRevan86 05 21:29
scientesthe US also has a massive homelessness problemDec 05 21:29
XRevan86So this worksDec 05 21:29
scientesand the mentally ill just walk the streets talking to themselves and causing caousDec 05 21:29
scienteschaosDec 05 21:29
XRevan86finally we know what it means to be RussianDec 05 21:29
scientesI am going to miss Georgian Christmas this yearDec 05 21:29
oiaohmOne of the big thing with the war on drugs is how little miss use of prescription drugs is looked into.Dec 05 21:29
scientesI'll have to wait till after newyearsDec 05 21:30
scientesoiaohm, declaring a "war" on something just means its a racketDec 05 21:30
XRevan86scientes: I don't know much about Imperial prisons, not even Soviet prisons of different eras, but I do know that a lot of tactics of the powers that be live on generation after generationDec 05 21:31
scientesand proscription drugs and illegal drugs is a racketDec 05 21:31
XRevan86so I would not be surprised if an average 1890 prison isn't much different from a 2019 oneDec 05 21:31
scienteswell the tactics are the sameDec 05 21:32
scientesdebt prisonsDec 05 21:32
scientesand then extorting the family for the moneyDec 05 21:32
XRevan86> He asserted that Imperial Russia did not practice any real censorship in the style of the Soviet GlavlitDec 05 21:33
XRevan86Except that they didDec 05 21:33
scientesof course they didDec 05 21:33
scientesall governments doDec 05 21:33
scientesexcept Dutch was extremely bad at itDec 05 21:33
scientesto the point of having no censorship at allDec 05 21:33
oiaohmscientes: or it a decoy.Dec 05 21:34
XRevan86scientes: I bet you can buy Das Kapital with no issues in the USDec 05 21:34
scientesoiaohm, it more has to do with the decentralized governmentDec 05 21:34
scientesXRevan86, you always couldDec 05 21:34
Hail_Spacecakescientes: are you georgian?Dec 05 21:34
XRevan86Hail_Spacecake: He is not.Dec 05 21:34
scientesHail_Spacecake, I met a Georgian today that has to look at his passport to know how to spell his own nameDec 05 21:35
scientesbecause he is Georgian in citizenship onlyDec 05 21:35
XRevan86scientes: Point being, in Imperial Russia censorship would not pass anything that undermines the holy status of the Emperor or the current regime in any way.Dec 05 21:35
Hail_Spacecakescientes: is his name მჭედლიშვილი or something crazy like that?Dec 05 21:36
scientesXRevan86, my great-grandfather had to renounce any allegiance to Nicolas IDec 05 21:36
scientesHail_Spacecake, are you Georgian?Dec 05 21:36
XRevan86Just saying that Solzhenitsyn was biased as heckDec 05 21:36
Hail_Spacecakescientes: no but I studied the language someDec 05 21:37
oiaohmscientes:  there are nice stats on overdoes rates of death.   The  individual camp with the highest overdoes rate is prescription drugs.Dec 05 21:37
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oiaohmscientes: war on drugs most is excuse to target smaller groups and ignore the big ones that put money into election campaigns.Dec 05 21:38
scientesoiaohm, i think you just described the US political systemDec 05 21:39
MinceR05 222738 < XRevan86> > In 2008 Solzhenitsyn praised Putin, saying Russia was rediscovering what it meant to be Russian.Dec 05 21:39
MinceRinterestingDec 05 21:39
scientesprint money->print votes->print moneyDec 05 21:39
oiaohmSmokes,  Alcohol and Prescription drugs are in fact your top three killers out of the humans using drugs problems. Dec 05 21:39
MinceRso he only cares about what flavor the authoritarianism he gets is endowed withDec 05 21:39
oiaohmAnd the amount of money those put into the political system over time has been insane.,Dec 05 21:40
XRevan86MinceR: Pretty much. Just banners.Dec 05 21:40
scientesoiaohm, print money->print votes->print moneyDec 05 21:40
MinceRsprinkles on the turd he's force-fedDec 05 21:41
oiaohmscientes: you cannot just print more money.   Countries that try that end up with the stupid of needing a billion dollars to buy a loaf of bread.Dec 05 21:41
XRevan86MinceR: But who knows, maybe if he lived to this day, he would've changed his mind. It was easier to ignore what state Putin is really building in 2008.Dec 05 21:41
scientesoiaohm, and what do you think is going to happen to the US?Dec 05 21:41
scientesoiaohm, and in zimbabwe they had a 100 trillion dollar noteDec 05 21:41
XRevan86Albeit it was already authoritarian, so yes.Dec 05 21:42
oiaohmscientes: at the worse of zimbabwe you required a about 1000 bundles of 1000 trillion dollar notes for a loaf of bread.Dec 05 21:42
oiaohmscientes: so no print more money does not exactly work.Dec 05 21:43
scientesoiaohm, and what do you think will happen to the US?Dec 05 21:43
MinceRXRevan86: if he was wiser, he wouldn't have put his foot in his mouthDec 05 21:43
XRevan86MinceR: The Wikipedia article is full of statements like that %)Dec 05 21:43
MinceR:)Dec 05 21:43
oiaohmscientes: the housing collapse that happed in the USA was a print more money revenge in time. Dec 05 21:44
XRevan86it's all about Christianity and true Russian cultureDec 05 21:44
oiaohmscientes: you get away with print more money for a while and then it back fires.Dec 05 21:44
oiaohmscientes: question is how long.Dec 05 21:44
XRevan86against that faux culture those evil commies constructed, robbing Russians of their true heritageDec 05 21:44
oiaohmand how big of a back fire.Dec 05 21:44
MinceRis there anything humanity does that won't backfire?Dec 05 21:44
XRevan86which is tsar, orthodoxy and nationalityDec 05 21:44
oiaohmMinceR:  I guess die would be about it on will not backfire.Dec 05 21:45
oiaohmscientes: basically printing money has to be done in controlled moderation.Dec 05 21:46
XRevan86Putin delivers on that, so Putin's awesome and great.Dec 05 21:46
XRevan86More churches than ever before (it is thought to be extremely profitable to the Church).Dec 05 21:47
XRevan86$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$卐$✞$✞$✞$✞$Dec 05 21:48
oiaohmChurchs were a historic tax man.Dec 05 21:49
MinceR☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭Dec 05 21:49
oiaohmIt always been strange that governments and churches have got along at all.Dec 05 21:49
MinceRthey fusedDec 05 21:50
MinceR 05 21:50
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Hail_Spacecakeare people here particularly concerned about inflation of the us dollar?Dec 05 21:51
MinceRno, i have bigger problemsDec 05 21:51
MinceRlike the inflation of the HUFDec 05 21:51
Hail_SpacecakeHUF?Dec 05 21:51
XRevan86MinceR: ☭ 05 21:51
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MinceRhungarian forintDec 05 21:51
XRevan86 – nah, that's just US romancismDec 05 21:52
XRevan86In the building of the Moscow City Duma an FBK employee interviews a Communist Party member, and at this particular timecode she says that she was never a member of the CPSU, yet ironically many of the United Russia deputees were.Dec 05 21:55
Hail_SpacecakeMinceR: are you hungarian?Dec 05 21:55
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MinceRdepends on whom you askDec 05 21:55
Hail_Spacecakeare you a citizen of hungary?Dec 05 21:55
MinceRaccording to the party that owns the state, i'm notDec 05 21:55
MinceRyesDec 05 21:55
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yeah, inflation has been bad here.Dec 05 21:56
XRevan86MinceR: Are you officially an elf?Dec 05 21:56
MinceRnot as bad as hereDec 05 21:56
MinceRXRevan86: :)Dec 05 21:56
DaemonFC[m]In 2005 when I bought the tires for my Ford Taurus, it was $40 per tire and $9 to install each one.Dec 05 21:56
MinceRhere it's so bad the government comes up with tricks to pretend the inflation is lower than it really isDec 05 21:56
DaemonFC[m]Thanks to all this damned tire inflation :) the same thing today is $57 per tire and $15 each to install.Dec 05 21:56
MinceRlike putting state-determined prices into the "basket"Dec 05 21:56
DaemonFC[m]They tried to hide some of it behind the installation fee.Dec 05 21:56
DaemonFC[m]LOL @ state-determined prices.Dec 05 21:57
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Without tire tariffs, the price of tires would have been about the same now as they were in 2005.Dec 05 21:57
DaemonFC[m]So the state is causing inflation by tariff and is stealing people's money from behind the scenes.Dec 05 21:58
MinceR[insert joke about how putting air in tires causes inflation of their prices]Dec 05 21:58
DaemonFC[m]The tariff on car tires is 25%, so 25% of $57 is $14.25.Dec 05 21:58
DaemonFC[m]So $42.75 per tire.Dec 05 21:59
DaemonFC[m]The price has barely gone up in 14 years, except the government forced it to, in order to give these giant car tire lobbyists an advantage.Dec 05 21:59
DaemonFC[m]If you buy American tires, they're still more expensive, though.Dec 05 21:59
DaemonFC[m]And I've had way more problems with retaining air from American ones.Dec 05 22:00
DaemonFC[m]So the result is that people keep buying Chinese tires. Actually, the government has really pulled a trick here.Dec 05 22:00
MinceRdunlop and goodyear?Dec 05 22:00
scientesMinceR, it actually causes deflation of their pricesDec 05 22:00
DaemonFC[m]Some of them are made in Indonesia or Thailand to escape the Chinese tire tariffs Dec 05 22:00
DaemonFC[m]And the quality sucks, but you can still get a $40 tire.Dec 05 22:01
DaemonFC[m]Starfire tires with no warranty whatsoever.Dec 05 22:01
DaemonFC[m]They do that because they know the pieces of shit are going to leak right away and they don't want to give you your money back.Dec 05 22:01
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Pretty much.Dec 05 22:01
DaemonFC[m]Goodyear's off brand for Walmart are made in the US, but they're so poorly designed and built that you get blowouts and shit because the sidewall is like tissue paper.Dec 05 22:02
MinceR:>Dec 05 22:02
DaemonFC[m]I saw a rusted out Honda at the Chinese restaurant.Dec 05 22:02
DaemonFC[m]Had two Douglas on the front (Walmart's cheap off brand Goodyear) and two Starfires on the back (the worst tires you can buy at Pep Boys.).Dec 05 22:03
scientesDaemonFC[m], are you insulting the Japanese people?Dec 05 22:03
DaemonFC[m]No....Dec 05 22:03
DaemonFC[m]All cars end up rusting in the midwest and this thing was from the 80s, so....Dec 05 22:04
DaemonFC[m]Most American cars don't even last 20 years, much less 30.Dec 05 22:04
DaemonFC[m]A German car usually lasts 5 before so many things are wrong with it you'd have to be insane to keep trying to save it.Dec 05 22:05
DaemonFC[m]But the original driver is leasing another one by then.Dec 05 22:05
DaemonFC[m]Someone bought a $22,000 Land Rover from Carmax, and he actually got one over on the stupid Carmax people.Dec 05 22:05
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: He bought a $4,000 extended warranty that Carmax just figures as a percentage of what the sale price is.Dec 05 22:06
DaemonFC[m]And with a Honda it works out in their favor.Dec 05 22:06
DaemonFC[m]But this thing is a Mercedes vehicle.Dec 05 22:06
DaemonFC[m]So they sold him the plan for $4,000, and by the time it was expired, they had put $17,000 in repairs in on it. Dec 05 22:07
MinceRlolDec 05 22:07
MinceRhow many years did it take?Dec 05 22:07
DaemonFC[m]4Dec 05 22:07
MinceRlolDec 05 22:07
DaemonFC[m]They had to spend $4,250 in repairs each year to keep a Land Rover on the road, for the 4 years the plan was in effect.Dec 05 22:08
DaemonFC[m]On a plan that cost $4,000.Dec 05 22:08
DaemonFC[m]The guy actually did the reliability math on the Land Rover and determined that they were going to lose at least four time what the warranty cost him.Dec 05 22:09
DaemonFC[m]Some sales guy thinks he found an idiot that bought a warranty plan that costs way too much if it's a good car, but it was German so they lost their ass on it.Dec 05 22:09
DaemonFC[m]So he got to drive a Land Rover around for 4 years while Carmax replaced just about everything on it at no extra cost to him while it swallowed their entire car sale and then some.Dec 05 22:11
XRevan86scientes: "that song had that too" – indeed.Dec 05 22:13
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XRevan86scientes: But a song is supposed to be highly subjective.Dec 05 22:14
scienteswell blanket attacking of religious was a pretty radical thing Dec 05 22:16
XRevan86But indeed explicit in that bolsheviks took the land from "us", implying that it was "ours" before that.Dec 05 22:16
scienteswell its a very romantic songDec 05 22:16
scientesit also has a train metaphore as the chorus, and the bolsheviks gave russia the railroadsDec 05 22:16
scienteswell, I guess there were also imperial railroadsDec 05 22:17
scientesimportant in pre-revolution politics with China tooDec 05 22:17
Hail_Spacecakethe bolsheviks definitely increased the level of industrialization in the soviet unionDec 05 22:18
Hail_Spacecakebut it was starting, albeit slowly, before the revolutionDec 05 22:18
Hail_Spacecakethere were czarist nobles who owned factories, just not very many of themDec 05 22:18
XRevan86Hail_Spacecake: That is a highly controversial topic, although that is factually true.Dec 05 22:19
scientesand it is also why the Stalin museum was so unbearably boringDec 05 22:19
MinceR 05 22:19
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Hail_Spacecakeyou ever seen those really early color photographs of the russian empire?Dec 05 22:19
Hail_Spacecakefrom like 1904 or something?Dec 05 22:20
scientesit was all communist propaganda and nothing about the industrialization that Stalin helpedDec 05 22:20
XRevan86Hail_Spacecake: I have.Dec 05 22:20
Hail_Spacecakeone of them is a picture of a factoryDec 05 22:20
XRevan86scientes: Prison labour photographs aren't a pretty sight.Dec 05 22:20
scientesXRevan86, doesn't prevent China from releasing such protosDec 05 22:20
scientesof the Uygher campsDec 05 22:20
MinceRat least the commies could have striven to make their culture wackier and flashier, like the nazis did :>Dec 05 22:21
scientesthey got the Bolga canal built that wayDec 05 22:21
scientesVolgaDec 05 22:21
Hail_Spacecakecharacterizing hte nazis as wacky and flashy and the communists as notDec 05 22:21
Hail_Spacecakesays more about what things the chracterizer thinks count as flashy and wackyDec 05 22:22
MinceR:)Dec 05 22:22
Hail_Spacecakethan about the character of either powerDec 05 22:22
MinceRwell, where's the wolfenstein 3d equivalent that lets me kill commies?Dec 05 22:22
XRevan86MinceR: Papers, Please?Dec 05 22:22
Hail_SpacecakeI thought that was where you play *as* the commiesDec 05 22:22
XRevan86Hail_Spacecake: MinceR didn't say indirect murder doesn't count %)Dec 05 22:23
Hail_SpacecakeI actually can't think of any video game that involves shooting russian communists in warDec 05 22:23
Hail_Spacecakemaybe a vietnam war video game? not that I've played anyDec 05 22:23
Hail_Spacecakeand that was at least partially a war of ethno-nationalist liberation on the part of the vietnameseDec 05 22:23
XRevan86scientes: Pity I can't find this song on 3ears for instance: 05 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kino - Trolleybus / Кино - Троллейбус - YouTubeDec 05 22:24
MinceRXRevan86: mehDec 05 22:25
MinceReven less that involves dealing with commie-made fictional wonderweapons like zombie/mutants :>Dec 05 22:25
XRevan86or, of course, this one: 05 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Виктор Цой - Перемен - YouTubeDec 05 22:26
scientesoh, I got to use the soviet metro in TblisiDec 05 22:28
scientesit was niceDec 05 22:28
scientesnot very high capacity, but expansive network and niceDec 05 22:28
XRevan86MinceR: There are so many story of wacky Nazi Germany science experiments it's hard to topDec 05 22:29
MinceRindeedDec 05 22:29
MinceRand the commies were boringDec 05 22:29
scientesand perverse experimentsDec 05 22:29
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe a game about growing crops in the ice?Dec 05 22:29
MinceRlolDec 05 22:29
XRevan86and some wacky mutants grow up instead and kill in the name of LysenkoDec 05 22:30
MinceRa game about lysenkoism/michurinismDec 05 22:30
DaemonFC[m]I've had all kinds of shit blow up on this Impala and it's a set of tires, an oil change, and a wheel bearing for my sister in law.Dec 05 22:30
DaemonFC[m]It does make me feel a little better.Dec 05 22:31
DaemonFC[m]Schadenfreude. Dec 05 22:31
scientesIt was interesting that the Stalin museum is still unchanged from communist times, apparentlyDec 05 22:32
scientesincluding making a stress of odd shit from all over the worldDec 05 22:32
scientesat the endDec 05 22:32
XRevan86MinceR: And then join Darth Vader in a glorious battle against rotten Western valuesDec 05 22:32
scientescompared to the expansive art collection at the end of the monestary your in Arequipa, Perú, that stuff sucksDec 05 22:33
Hail_Spacecakescientes: what are you doing in georgia? just tourism?Dec 05 22:33
Hail_SpacecakeI've been wanting to travel there myself for a while, but I haven't made my way there yetDec 05 22:33
scientesits targeted at poor Georgian plebs who can't travelDec 05 22:33
MinceRXRevan86: vader is rather alien to thisDec 05 22:33
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: 05 22:34
Hail_Spacecakeis this stalin museum in his hometown?Dec 05 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | You Can't Get A Cheap CarMax Range Rover Warranty AnymoreDec 05 22:34
XRevan86And the name of the name: The Ultimate Christian Space Communism 05 22:34
scientesHail_Spacecake, yes, in GoriDec 05 22:34
DaemonFC[m]I think the Hungarians still have Stalin's Boots.Dec 05 22:34
Hail_SpacecakeI get the impression Gori is a pretty small village that doesn't have much going on there other than being stalin's birthplaceDec 05 22:34
scientesHail_Spacecake, it is built right next to his houseDec 05 22:34
scienteswhich is maintainedDec 05 22:34
MinceR:>Dec 05 22:34
XRevan86MinceR: From the cover of that book I referenced :)Dec 05 22:34
MinceRwe also have stalin's mindsetDec 05 22:34
Hail_SpacecakeIoseb Jugashvili - a good georgian nameDec 05 22:35
MinceRhow do they reconcile christianity with communism?Dec 05 22:36
XRevan86MinceR: Just ignore all the contradictory parts.Dec 05 22:37
MinceRlolDec 05 22:37
XRevan86or maybe consider that when Marx said that religion is opium for the people, he didn't mean it as a bad thingDec 05 22:37
MinceRin classic christian fashionDec 05 22:37
Hail_Spacecakeyou could characterize jesus and the disciples as living a communist lifestyleDec 05 22:37
Hail_Spacecakesome christians have definitely emphasized thisDec 05 22:38
MinceRjesus and the councilDec 05 22:38
MinceRmaybe you could have christian communists waging a war on atheist communistsDec 05 22:38
XRevan86MinceR: Or you could focus on the founder of CPRF Gennady Zyuganov saying… what Hail_Spacecake saidDec 05 22:39
MinceR:)Dec 05 22:39
MinceRand miss out on half the wackiness?Dec 05 22:39
Hail_Spacecakefor most events that have happened in historyDec 05 22:39
Hail_Spacecakemembers of an ideology in existence hundreds or thousands of years after those eventsDec 05 22:40
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Hail_Spacecakecan come up with some evidence to show that that event supports their ideology in some wayDec 05 22:40
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XRevan86MinceR: Oh, and all of the people in that commune are reincarnates of notable historic peopleDec 05 22:40
MinceRand the more twisted and tortured the logic, the funnier it getsDec 05 22:40
MinceRor sadderDec 05 22:40
Hail_Spacecakecommunists and anti-communists both can come up with pieces of evidence from what we know (or think we know) about jesus or the buddha or moctezumaDec 05 22:41
Hail_Spacecakeand use it to bolster their ideological claimsDec 05 22:42
XRevan86That's practically fantasisingDec 05 22:43
XRevan86and an appeal to authority, weak tooDec 05 22:45
XRevan86Jesus drank Pepsi, so it must be good for you.Dec 05 22:45
MinceRJesus Ate SugarDec 05 22:45
Hail_SpacecakeJesus Hung Out With ProstitutesDec 05 22:46
Hail_SpacecakeJesus Told Prostitutes Not To SinDec 05 22:46
Hail_SpacecakeJesus Advocated Paying TaxesDec 05 22:46
Hail_SpacecakeJesus Downplayed The Importance Of The StateDec 05 22:46
Hail_Spacecakeyou can go on and onDec 05 22:46
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Jesus sounded like a pretty okay guy.Dec 05 22:47
MinceRexcept when he sounded like a lunaticDec 05 22:47
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure his followers are the reason it's been 2,000 years since anyone's seen him.Dec 05 22:47
XRevan86Jesus got pretty highDec 05 22:47
MinceRi think the reason is that he never existedDec 05 22:47
DaemonFC[m]"I'm not going back dad. They completely missed the point. Look at them!".Dec 05 22:47
MinceRthough that doesn't really stop people from seeing him...Dec 05 22:47
XRevan86 05 22:48
Hail_Spacecakejesus is just alright with meDec 05 22:48
DaemonFC[m]Every shitty German car idea ends up on a Chevy.Dec 05 22:49
danielp3344DaemonFC: lolDec 05 22:49
DaemonFC[m]Which is why I just laid out $600 to fix an ABS computer.Dec 05 22:49
MinceR 05 22:49
danielp3344DaemonFC: you dont need ABSDec 05 22:49
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danielp3344Just learn to drive without itDec 05 22:49
MinceRi don't see what's shitty about ABSDec 05 22:50
MinceRthat GM can't build it? :>Dec 05 22:50
danielp3344MinceR: No drift :PDec 05 22:50
MinceRit could be possible to disableDec 05 22:50
DaemonFC[m]They use Delco as their supplier.Dec 05 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Same as Ford.Dec 05 22:50
MinceRand it probably is if it is really necessary for driftDec 05 22:50
DaemonFC[m]My Taurus had the fucking ABS go out and I never fixed it.Dec 05 22:50
DaemonFC[m]I had to get in there to unscrew the light before I sold it.Dec 05 22:51
MinceRlolDec 05 22:51
danielp3344dont do thatDec 05 22:51
MinceRtoo lateDec 05 22:51
danielp3344I'm all for tuning/being lazy. But be honestDec 05 22:51
MinceRi never had issues with ABS in any of my carsDec 05 22:51
XRevan86Jesus was a wise man, he once said: beware of uncertified candlesticks, your notes don't have any effect when you fire themDec 05 22:51
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The only American cars I've owned that didn't eventually have the ABS fail are the ones that didn't have ABS.Dec 05 22:52
danielp3344exactlyDec 05 22:52
danielp3344dont do ABSDec 05 22:52
danielp3344All the cars I drive often dont have itDec 05 22:52
XRevan86 05 22:52
DaemonFC[m]I was hoping I'd get lucky and it would just be a wheel speed sensor that got destroyed with the broken shit that mom was ignoring.Dec 05 22:52
DaemonFC[m]Nope. Module.Dec 05 22:52
MinceRso you could choose to get an american car without ABS, or you could choose a non-american car with ABSDec 05 22:52
MinceRi know which one i'd pickDec 05 22:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's such a bad idea that it's the law now.Dec 05 22:53
danielp3344DaemonFC: what?!Dec 05 22:53
DaemonFC[m]ABSDec 05 22:53
danielp3344srsly?Dec 05 22:53
DaemonFC[m]yeah....2013 and newerDec 05 22:53
MinceRi probably have ESP due to the law as well :>Dec 05 22:53
*danielp3344 writes letter to NHTSADec 05 22:53
MinceRwhich is niceDec 05 22:53
danielp3344I'll include airbags tooDec 05 22:53
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MinceRit's also the basis of torque vectoring, afaikDec 05 22:53
danielp3344those should be illegalDec 05 22:54
MinceRlolDec 05 22:54
DaemonFC[m]Well, airbags work unless they're those Toyota ones where they don't work because of spiders.Dec 05 22:54
danielp3344MinceR: srsly, seatbelts do a much better jobDec 05 22:54
DaemonFC[m]Or they blow up and hit you with shrapnel.Dec 05 22:54
MinceRdanielp3344: they're not mutually exclusiveDec 05 22:54
danielp3344^^^Dec 05 22:54
XRevan86spider shrapnel?Dec 05 22:54
MinceRspider minesDec 05 22:54
DaemonFC[m]Or spiders and shrapnel!Dec 05 22:54
MinceRjust use a laser pointer to herd them away from the car.Dec 05 22:55
danielp3344MinceR: yeah, but seat belts have a ***MUCH*** higher lives saved:deaths caused ratioDec 05 22:55
MinceRdanielp3344: at least here both seem to be mandatoryDec 05 22:55
danielp3344yeah IKDec 05 22:55
DaemonFC[m]Or the ones that release the robotic Richard Simmons with spiders and shrapnel. Dec 05 22:55
danielp3344None of my cars have air bags :PDec 05 22:55
danielp3344Someday I'm going to design a car.Dec 05 22:56
XRevan86 05 22:56
MinceRlolDec 05 22:57
danielp3344Basically I want the 60s backDec 05 22:57
MinceRthere will be a 60s, approximately 40 years from nowDec 05 22:58
danielp3344big v8s, manual transmissions, bench seats, chrome bumpers...Dec 05 22:58
danielp3344cool gaugesDec 05 22:58
MinceRthere probably won't be any humans in it thoughDec 05 22:58
XRevan86Is it a good time to talk about our lord and saviour AvtoVAZ?Dec 05 22:58
MinceRand that's what will make it so greatDec 05 22:58
danielp3344carburetorsDec 05 22:58
MinceRXRevan86: have they learned how to make cars yet?Dec 05 22:59
danielp3344MinceR: wutDec 05 22:59
XRevan86MinceR: They knew in the 70sDec 05 22:59
XRevan86close enough maybe?Dec 05 22:59
danielp3344???Dec 05 22:59
XRevan86danielp3344: 05 23:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Zhiguli (car brand) - WikipediaDec 05 23:00
MinceRwere those the ones buyers took straight to the worshop to get them assembled properly?Dec 05 23:00
MinceRs/rs/rks/Dec 05 23:00
XRevan86MinceR: Just look around the garages, maybe you'll find all the parts missing %)Dec 05 23:01
MinceRlolDec 05 23:01
MinceRapparently now AvtoVAZ is yet another puppet of RenaultDec 05 23:02
MinceRthe corporation that dragged the name and reputation of Nissan and Mitsubishi through the mudDec 05 23:03
XRevan86MinceR: Considering the reputation of contemporary AvtoVAZ, it can't get any worse.Dec 05 23:04
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Apple sort of helps inequality.Dec 05 23:04
MinceR:>Dec 05 23:05
DaemonFC[m]By convincing other people to buy computers that cost 4 times as much as a good one, the state gets more tax revenue from them than it does from me on that.Dec 05 23:05
MinceRfinally a Renault subsidiary that Renault is worthy of!Dec 05 23:05
DaemonFC[m]Well, with a Chevy, eventually you have so many non-GM parts on it that reliability goes way up, after each mountain of repairs that follow the car throwing a major fit.Dec 05 23:06
DaemonFC[m]With BMW you don't even get that, so....Dec 05 23:06
MinceR:>Dec 05 23:06
DaemonFC[m]What I want to know is how mom always loses the little blue thing in the Chevy logo on the front.Dec 05 23:07
DaemonFC[m]Is the little blue thing Leprechaun following her stealing half of each hood ornament or something?Dec 05 23:07
DaemonFC[m]I don't see any front end impact damage, and the hood ornament is recessed, so.....Dec 05 23:08
DaemonFC[m]To damage that, you'd have to take out most of the front end.Dec 05 23:08
DaemonFC[m]Life's like that sometimes though. You see an orange failed businessman with 4 Chapter 11s and the vocabulary of a retarded 5 year old and you think...."I guess anyone can be the president of America."Dec 05 23:09
DaemonFC[m]All I have to do is eat 11 bags of McDonalds each day and I too can be a world leader. Not a terrific one, but one that knows you don't piss off all of your allies and destroy the economy and then claim that it was all the black guy, three years running.Dec 05 23:11
MinceRwhat blue thing?Dec 05 23:12
MinceRoh, there's a version with blue fillingDec 05 23:13
MinceRmaybe GM bought know-how on gluing things from daimlerDec 05 23:13
MinceRwhich daimler doesn't know, of courseDec 05 23:13
DaemonFC[m]The Baby Boomers exported our entire economy to China. Just gave it to them. They ended public spending on universities. They destroyed the welfare state. They set up scam economy after scam economy that depended on shady loans at impossibly low interest rates, and then it was all Obama. No, it was all them. 30 years of them running the ship into the iceberg. I guess Obama is among them, but it took hundreds ofDec 05 23:13
DaemonFC[m]millions of individuals to create the mess we're in now. Dec 05 23:13
MinceRotherwise the upholstery of the mercedes-benz splinter wouldn't hang and wave in the windDec 05 23:13
DaemonFC[m]Then they say it's because I'm not buying enough diamonds and Perrier.Dec 05 23:13
MinceRs/spl/spr/Dec 05 23:13
danielp3344MinceR: No I like splinter betterDec 05 23:14
MinceRthey named it sprinter though :>Dec 05 23:14
MinceRoh wow, volkswagen also sold this crapDec 05 23:15
MinceRthey really like crap, apparentlyDec 05 23:15
DaemonFC[m]They say a college degree now is what high school used to be, and they aren't wrong. When you have to have 4 years of college to work at the front desk of a Holiday Inn for $11.50, they aren't wrong.Dec 05 23:15
MinceRthey got in bed with crApple, microshit and daimlerDec 05 23:15
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: are you eating enough avocado toast then? :>Dec 05 23:16
DaemonFC[m]They do it because they can, and they can because the jobs market right now is like what it used to be during a really nasty recession, but Trump's padded statistics say we're not in one, so that means this isn't happening, I guess.Dec 05 23:16
DaemonFC[m]Smashing! I wondered why I couldn't afford a ninety thousand dollar hours.Dec 05 23:18
DaemonFC[m]I'm glad a billionaire rich-spained this to me.Dec 05 23:18
MinceR:>Dec 05 23:18
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure if I can just get a Very Small Loan of $10 million from Dad, like the President did, it will all come together.Dec 05 23:18
DaemonFC[m]Adjusted for inflation? $50 million. But whatevs. I'll be happy with $10.Dec 05 23:19
DaemonFC[m]The funny part about Trump's $50 million Very Small Loan from Dad (adjusted) is that he lost the entire thing in bad real estate deals and a shitty casino, had to borrow another $10 million, lost it, did commercials for Pizza Hut and McDonalds until the Russians and Mafia Unions came through for him, and now he's the President.Dec 05 23:21
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure that's a path to success for anyone.Dec 05 23:21
MinceRyeah, easily accessibleDec 05 23:22
DaemonFC[m]But if he angers Vladimir Putin, the famous Russian Pee-Pee Party tape that totally doesn't exist will come out.Dec 05 23:22
DaemonFC[m]I don't know if it exists or not. The Russians like to keep compromising material on rival politicians.Dec 05 23:23
DaemonFC[m]It would be the end of Trump if a bunch of Russian prostitutes were peeing on him in a video leaked onto the internet. I mean, I would hope so, but you'd still have people like my parents who wouldn't hear about it or would still claim it was fake.Dec 05 23:24
danielp3344I'd go for a few million dollars rn lolDec 05 23:24
danielp3344even, like, $5k to finish this engine buildDec 05 23:24
danielp3344DaemonFC: And there would be people like myself who would claim it was totally irrelevant.Dec 05 23:26
DaemonFC[m]Of course, my mom buys extended warranties from fly by nights who take it back and use junkyard shit and bondo.Dec 05 23:28
DaemonFC[m]And then she wonders why the car has been acting so odd lately.Dec 05 23:28
danielp3344DaemonFC: junkyards are the bestDec 05 23:28
danielp3344actually bondo too lolDec 05 23:28
danielp3344one secDec 05 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, for the people who sold you the piece of shit $2,000 warranty.Dec 05 23:28
*danielp3344 uploaded an image: IMG_20190709_144654.jpg (1081KB) < >Dec 05 23:28
DaemonFC[m]While they pick apart god only knows what to slap on your car for $3.Dec 05 23:28
danielp3344<3 bondoDec 05 23:28
danielp3344DaemonFC: for the last time, letting other people work on your car is just a bad idea.Dec 05 23:29
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, well, I wasn't crazy enough to stick a junkyard ABS module on this thing.Dec 05 23:29
DaemonFC[m]She did that last time, or rather, her ex did, and that's why I had to fix it correctly!Dec 05 23:29
danielp3344DaemonFC: I would %100 do that on my car if it had ABS lolDec 05 23:29
danielp3344or take it apart and try to fix itDec 05 23:30
DaemonFC[m]I probably should have, but I don't like having the brakes going" UUUUURGHHHHH!! SERVICE TRACTION!".Dec 05 23:30
DaemonFC[m]Then it forgets there was anything amiss the next time you turn the car on.Dec 05 23:30
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: apparently there are people who would pretty much just say "but her emails" in responseDec 05 23:30
DaemonFC[m]That's what you get for being a skinflint.Dec 05 23:30
danielp3344MinceR: I think the claims about emails are more relevant than making fun of trumps characterDec 05 23:31
MinceRi don't think they're quite relevant this yearDec 05 23:32
DaemonFC[m]There's no guarantee on a junkyard ABS because it's all kinds of sophisticated software and calibration and it's not something anyone in their right mind would take off a wrecked car for $50."Dec 05 23:33
DaemonFC[m]It would be safer to unplug the broken one and just have the car chime at you all the time.Dec 05 23:33
danielp3344worst thing ABS can do is just not workDec 05 23:33
DaemonFC[m]No.Dec 05 23:33
DaemonFC[m]It kept forgetting the module was broken and turning it back on and locking my brakes up.Dec 05 23:34
danielp3344by braking too hard?Dec 05 23:34
*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: terminator_5_large.jpg (779KB) < >Dec 05 23:35
DaemonFC[m]The safety feature was trying to murder me because it went bad.Dec 05 23:36
danielp3344Simple solutionDec 05 23:36
MinceRare those real human teeth?Dec 05 23:36
danielp3344MinceR: I was just wondering thatDec 05 23:36
MinceRwell, i guess they have to look like that because this model usually gets a flesh cover on it...Dec 05 23:36
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I've seen them with silver teeth.Dec 05 23:37
DaemonFC[m]Seems if Skynet meant for them to just go straight out as cannon fodder, it just gave them the silver teeth.Dec 05 23:37
DaemonFC[m]If they're an infiltration unit, they have the human looking ones.Dec 05 23:37
DaemonFC[m]They are not human teeth.Dec 05 23:38
MinceRmakes senseDec 05 23:38
DaemonFC[m]The T-850 in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines caught a bullet with them and they didn't suffer any damage.Dec 05 23:38
MinceRso this one just looks weird but it's supposed to be an infiltration unit but lacks the flesh partDec 05 23:38
MinceRs/but/because/Dec 05 23:39
DaemonFC[m]Well, the flesh sheath can be destroyed.Dec 05 23:39
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't damage the robot underneath.Dec 05 23:39
DaemonFC[m]It's for appearances. It doesn't need the cyborg tissue for any other reason except to get in and kill everyone when it's too late.Dec 05 23:40
DaemonFC[m]The T-888 uses a more advanced combat chassis made of a coltan alloy.Dec 05 23:40
DaemonFC[m]It's more resistant to heat from plasma weapons. The endoskeleton comes in different sizes to accommodate normal looking flesh sheaths.Dec 05 23:41
danielp3344DaemonFC: lol in that picture its obviously chromed resin or somethingDec 05 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Skynet backported the coltan to the T-850 along with twin hydrogen fusion cells for power.Dec 05 23:41
DaemonFC[m]That's why the T-850 was only slightly damaged by the T-X plasma weapon in T-3.Dec 05 23:42
DaemonFC[m]It had to toss out the nuclear power cell, but it could run its systems on the backup cell.Dec 05 23:42
MinceR:)Dec 05 23:42
DaemonFC[m]A T-800 would have been destroyed by that hit.Dec 05 23:42
DaemonFC[m]Skynet developed the T-850 to survive better in the field against resistance fighters shooting at them with phased plasma weapons that they scavenged from Terminators and HK units.Dec 05 23:43
DaemonFC[m]As a side effect, it stood a small chance of holding its own against a T-X, where the 800 unit would have been defeated immediately.Dec 05 23:44
DaemonFC[m]4.311% chance of defeating a T-X, with a 4% margin of error.Dec 05 23:45
DaemonFC[m]According to the T-850 in T3.Dec 05 23:45
DaemonFC[m]It was able to slow the T-X down in hand to hand combat long enough for John and Kate to escape, but then it decided to reprogram the 850 with nanobots, to trick them into approaching it.Dec 05 23:45
DaemonFC[m]It managed to deliberately crash its operating system and reboot itself to purge the T-X's virus.Dec 05 23:46
DaemonFC[m]The T-X was definitely the physically superior machine, like the T-1000 was in T-2 and the Rev-9 in Dark Fate.Dec 05 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, the T-800 and T-850 are mainly a threat because when the resistance reprograms them, they have a read/write mode that allows them to learn in the field that they turn on.Dec 05 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Skynet pre-sets it to read-only because it is paranoid of other AIs and doesn't want to risk them deciding to disobey it.Dec 05 23:48
MinceRsounds like skynet gets a lose/lose situation thereDec 05 23:48
DaemonFC[m]In TSCC, the series, it was shown that a "T-1001" managed to decide not to obey Skynet and to go back to the past to create an AI that would be sympathetic to humans.Dec 05 23:49
MinceReither be dethroned by a rogue AI or have the resistance's units be smarter than skynet'sDec 05 23:49
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that's a plot hole.Dec 05 23:49
MinceRnot sure about it being a plot holeDec 05 23:49
MinceRcould just be life being a bitch :>Dec 05 23:49
DaemonFC[m]In Dark Fate, the T-800 was "freed from Skynet" when it learned that it was an artifact from a deleted future and there was no Skynet.Dec 05 23:49
DaemonFC[m]With the CPU in read mode, it probably would have made more sense to program them to try to reset the timeline to favor Skynet again.Dec 05 23:50
DaemonFC[m]Like what happened in Genisys with T-3000 John Connor.Dec 05 23:50
DaemonFC[m]The T-800 appears and shows all these stupid humans how to build advanced shit that turns on them.Dec 05 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Skynet lives again because a copy of it was in the T-800's source code.Dec 05 23:51
MinceR:>Dec 05 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Although in a way, what the T-800 did makes sense too.Dec 05 23:52
DaemonFC[m]It stops getting orders and returns to "infiltration and wait" mode, and new orders never come.Dec 05 23:52
DaemonFC[m]So it just kind of adopts a family and blends in.Dec 05 23:52
DaemonFC[m]The  Rev-9, one of Legion's terminators, was advanced enough that it had a range of emotions.Dec 05 23:53
DaemonFC[m]It tried to persuade the T-800 to help it.Dec 05 23:54
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, trying (and failing) to reason with the T-800s using human-like psychological manipulation.Dec 05 23:54
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: In the end, Rev-9 couldn't barter or reason with the Terminator.Dec 05 23:56
DaemonFC[m]:)Dec 05 23:56
DaemonFC[m]Oddly, the T-800 in Dark Fate started going by the name Carl and became an interior decorator. Dec 05 23:56
DaemonFC[m]I guess that was probably a joke someone made that ended up in the movie.Dec 05 23:58

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