IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, January 06, 2021

schestowitz

no matter if Trump actually leaves

schestowitz

it failed

schestowitz

like the Soviety Union

schestowitz

whether it can rebuild... who knows...

MinceR

(cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/351d16daa0cd6656.mp4

schestowitz

but like USSR, it'll never return to past glory

schestowitz

Russia is nowhere as powerful worldwide as the Soviets were

Jan 06 00:14

schestowitz

MinceR: another man playing with his pussy

Jan 06 00:15

MinceR

is it right to own cats? :>

Jan 06 00:15

DaemonFC[m]

We didn't lose territory, yet.

Jan 06 00:16

DaemonFC[m]

But yeah, the government is failing as a world power.

Jan 06 00:16

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Jan 06 00:16

DaemonFC[m]

Which is totally predictable when your GDP is pumped up with "financial services" and imaginary property, and borrowed money.

XRevan86

DaemonFC[m]: Unlike USSR, the US doesn't permit territory to leave.

DaemonFC[m]

But the United States is turning into a failed state, and a lot of that is Trump.

XRevan86

it's not always about the legalities, but USSR did just allow some states to leave

MinceR

when?

XRevan86

MinceR: 80s

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DaemonFC[m]

Well, the USSR tried not to let territories leave, and then realized that it couldn't stop them.

DaemonFC[m]

Not without devolving into civil war.

MinceR

maybe they couldn't afford to keep them occupied

MinceR

as they couldn't afford to keep most of the eastern bloc occupied in 1989

DaemonFC[m]

And they weren't actually tied together as a society in the same way.

DaemonFC[m]

The Soviets outright invaded and stole several of their Republics from formerly legitimate states.

DaemonFC[m]

In many cases, not even the same language was shared.

Jan 06 00:19

DaemonFC[m]

The Russians tried "solving" this by colonizing the areas by force with Russian speakers.

Jan 06 00:20

XRevan86

DaemonFC[m]: Like Mexican territory in the US?

Jan 06 00:20

XRevan86

granted that territory is now properly naturalised after this much time

Jan 06 00:20

DaemonFC[m]

Yes, but with the exception that it worked here.

Jan 06 00:21

DaemonFC[m]

There's so few of the natives left compared with descendants of the settlers that there's no real chance that they'd actually try to revolt.

Jan 06 00:21

MinceR

apparently the USA actually paid for those territories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hidalgo

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo - Wikipedia

XRevan86

Anyway, what really helped Baltic states to secede is that they legally could.

XRevan86

If they couldn't legally, then the union government would've had to take severe action.

Jan 06 00:23

XRevan86

instead they chose not to

Jan 06 00:23

schestowitz

twice today lxer linked to PDFs

XRevan86

It's not to say that any secession was permitted (the union government could find some pretext to crush the rebellion), but that it's something that helped build up momentum for it and then for it to just happen.

schestowitz

instead of web pages

schestowitz

wth?

XRevan86

In a federation there's literally only one way this conflict can be resolved: war.

Jan 06 00:26

schestowitz

of words

Jan 06 00:27

XRevan86

Even allowing secession is an act of treason.

Jan 06 00:27

Ariadne

[17:26:36] <XRevan86> In a federation there's literally only one way this conflict can be resolved: war.

Jan 06 00:28

Ariadne

ah that explains the fediverse

Jan 06 00:28

MinceR

Jan 06 00:29

XRevan86

That's why all the former Soviet republics are proper states and other forked off states are unrecognised.

Jan 06 00:29

XRevan86

And an unrecognised state is pretty much a war on hold.

Jan 06 00:29

schestowitz

"This is ... not good. Fedora live USBs do not even boot, and a Ubuntu 20/10 live USB has a lot of broken stuff, but surprisingly wifi works nicely." https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2021/01/quick-review-of-lenovo-yoga-9i-laptop.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nibblestew.blogspot.com | Nibble Stew: Quick review of Lenovo Yoga 9i laptop

schestowitz

^^ DaemonFC[m]

XRevan86

Like Nagorno-Karabakh

XRevan86

> Gorbachev refused to make any changes to the status of Nagorno-Karabakh, which remained part of Azerbaijan.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4575994/microsoft-guidance-for-applying-secure-boot-dbx-update

XRevan86

and so you know what Azerbaijan did to N-K 30 years later

Jan 06 00:31

DaemonFC[m]

Fedora live USBs may not boot if Ubuntu has been previously installed.

Jan 06 00:31

DaemonFC[m]

You'd have to reset Secure Boot to factory default or turn it off.

Jan 06 00:32

DaemonFC[m]

If it's complaining about a security policy violation, that is.

Jan 06 00:32

DaemonFC[m]

Happened to me on the older laptop.

Jan 06 00:32

MinceR

strange, i thought hedrat also paid the redmond mafia to sign their stub

Jan 06 00:34

XRevan86

If USSR dissolution were more like Russian Federation losing territories (if Russian Empire just moved to a republic model), all these states like Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan would've been barely recognised states legally under Russian control.

Jan 06 00:35

XRevan86

So yes, the US being a federation makes the situation very different.

Jan 06 00:36

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: Ubuntu does a dbx update to the Secure Boot setup, which causes the firmware to reject Fedora's shim bootloader.

Jan 06 00:37

MinceR

oh, i read it the wrong way around

Jan 06 00:38

MinceR

what a clusterfuck

Jan 06 00:38

DaemonFC[m]

Jan 06 00:39

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com |

Jan 06 00:39

DaemonFC[m]

"Red Hat hosts the following update tool on GitHub:"

https://github.com/rhboot/dbxtool

DaemonFC[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - rhboot/dbxtool: Tool for UEFI Secure Boot DBX updates

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: ^

https://github.com/rhboot

DaemonFC[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat Bootloader Team · GitHub

XRevan86

Stalin wanted a unitary state, so that confederate core of the USSR is Stalin compromising to Lenin's vision of an international union of nations united under the same idea and stuff.

https://github.com/orgs/rhboot/people

DaemonFC[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-People · Red Hat Bootloader Team · GitHub

DaemonFC[m]

"This organization has no public members."

schestowitz

lol

XRevan86

Still mostly a façade behind which there was a unitary state with a strong vertical government.

schestowitz

that's ibm's final solution to secure boot

schestowitz

outsource to Microsoft

schestowitz

fire staff

XRevan86

but that helped its dissolve

https://github.com/rhboot/grub2

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz

can't believe mjg59 helped this agenda

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - rhboot/grub2: Ongoing work on grub2, including Fedora and RHEL

schestowitz

months ago rhel boxes would not boot

schestowitz

many of them

schestowitz

because of 'secure' boot

DaemonFC[m]

Red Hat has their work on grub 2 in a github repo as well.

http://techrights.org/2020/06/19/microsoft-hosted-fedora/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 2 Years After Microsoft Hijacked GitHub for Monopoly Fedora Still Has Well Over 100 Projects in Microsoft’s GitHub (Not Even Counting Red Hat’s and Systemd) | Techrights

schestowitz

known issues

Ariadne

what agenda ?

DaemonFC[m]

This firmware diarrhea called uEFI.

Ariadne

i think it is good if somebody can burn a USB stick and boot up their machine

schestowitz

pushing for acceptance of Microsoft as key holder for boot

schestowitz

which worked for them

schestowitz

they get to command what can and cannot run on machines

Ariadne

i see no evidence mjg59 actually pushed for acceptance of Microsoft as key holder

schestowitz

a bit like OOXML

schestowitz

he did

Ariadne

only that he wrote code to enable redhat distros to boot in such a world

schestowitz

he made a "shim"

schestowitz

we wrote about it many times

schestowitz

like developers and companies that 'supported' OOXML in 2007/8

DaemonFC[m]

It was never in any serious doubt that OEMs wouldn't cripple it so the user had no control over whose keys would be accepted by it.

Ariadne

making a shim is not an endorsement of Microsoft

schestowitz

it helped them

MinceR

it kind of is

MinceR

paying the redmond mafia to sign the shim, on the other hand, is totally an endorsement

DaemonFC[m]

Most OEMs that sell a PC do not allow the user to use Custom Mode, at all.

Ariadne

what about the other people it helped? the people who had secure boot laptops they couldn't rekey?

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights

schestowitz

Ariadne: they did not have them

MinceR

those people should have bought general purpose computers

schestowitz

we talk about when it was barely introduced yet

schestowitz

like when OOXML was used nowhere

Ariadne

these laptops do exist

DaemonFC[m]

About the only way you get control of it is to buy a motherboard and build your own PC.

MinceR

and had their useless garbage recycled properly, preferably with a refund

MinceR

i know

schestowitz

and then they find their shills to push something people laregly reject

MinceR

hp makes such garbage, for example

schestowitz

so that it seems or feels "accepted"

MinceR

actually i think restricted boot can be disabled on the hp garbage i used

Ariadne

so, i see shim as an acceptance of current reality, not an endorsement of it

DaemonFC[m]

Anything that has ever had Windows on it, you probably don't get to use Custom Mode.

MinceR

it just didn't have working CSM

Ariadne

obviously the world would be better if shim did not need to exist

schestowitz

Ariadne: not back then

DaemonFC[m]

But the Miguel de Icaza of uEFI Secure Boot, mjg59, won't admit it.

schestowitz

chicken and egg

schestowitz

same with OOXML

DaemonFC[m]

I've never seen him talk about it much, if at all.

MinceR

the world would be better if people refused to buy this shit

Ariadne

bruh

MinceR

but they didn't

Ariadne

OEMs don't give a shit about linux

Ariadne

never have

MinceR

and so now general purpose computers are dying out

schestowitz

they do actually

XRevan86

Ariadne: The fediverse is technically not a federation, but somehow it's at constant secessions and at war, so maybe in spirit it is :)

Ariadne

on servers, yes

schestowitz

otherwise they would not test and support

schestowitz

as more now do

schestowitz

not just servers

Ariadne

on the $300 walmart you buy from walmart, no

DaemonFC[m]

If you plan to use Linux on it, just turn Secure Boot off.

Ariadne

err $300 laptop

schestowitz

this past year many OEMs offered gnu/linux preloaded

DaemonFC[m]

There's no actual malware that anyone can demonstrate lurking around waiting for you to turn it off.

mjg59

People keep asserting that there are machines where you can't re-key, but nobody will ever give me a model number

DaemonFC[m]

And it may cause your computer to fail to work.

schestowitz

it's fake security

XRevan86

DaemonFC[m]: I need Star Trek expertise

schestowitz

when vZS1 wakes up he might weigh in

schestowitz

UEFI 'secure' boot is not about security

schestowitz

it's about contro

schestowitz

none of the PC user

XRevan86

Is the Star Trek Federation a federation? I forgot.

schestowitz

and much for Microsoft

schestowitz

and for Intel

Ariadne

well the solution there is to write x86 off entirely

mjg59

Intel has no control over any aspect of secure boot

schestowitz

and if people don't understand that, media like zd nyet conned them,

DaemonFC[m]

Secure Boot is worthless. It's another Microsoftism like Controlled Folder Access, (which has three distinct and unsolveable bypasses for Ransomware to attack).

schestowitz

where Ad Bot called Linux users "fanatics"

DaemonFC[m]

Which breaks legitimate applications if you turn it on.

schestowitz

for rejecting this con

Ariadne

anyway

DaemonFC[m]

It's all "defense in duh derp" according to Microsoft.

DaemonFC[m]

Doesn't need fixed, it follows.

schestowitz

mjg59: it controls the specs

mjg59

No it doesn't

schestowitz

it's the foremost members of their fake consortium

schestowitz

I spoke to them about it in a conference call

schestowitz

they're conmen

mjg59

I literally wrote portions of the spec

Ariadne

i don't think calling mjg59 the "miguel de icaza of secure boot" is appropriate, especially since redhat paid him to make it

schestowitz

red hat is no champion either

mjg59

(To make it easier to handle setups with custom keys)

schestowitz

look how close they are to Microsoft

schestowitz

even back then

schestowitz

and more so now with IBM

schestowitz

they surrendered for money

DaemonFC[m]

<schestowitz "where Ad Bot called Linux users "> Ad Bott wants you to know you can stick it to the man by putting Windows 10 on your computer!

Ariadne

ok, so complain about redhat management

schestowitz

and they don't care about freedom

schestowitz

they hoarded sswpats for over a decade

schestowitz

and now hand it over to IBM... for extortion

DaemonFC[m]

Ad Bott is so hyped over this that he re-shitposts the same "article" 100 times.

DaemonFC[m]

In case you could possibly miss it.

Ariadne

redhat managment goes: "servers have secure boot now, we need to make sure our installer still works on these", so shim is written to enable booting the installer

schestowitz

zdnet is corrupt and crooked

psydroid

red hat did an excellent bait-and-switch there

Ariadne

it's all about $$$

schestowitz

and they hire Microsoft booster

schestowitz

them and Microsoft Pedophile Peter boosted UEFI 'secure' boot

schestowitz

by insulting the critics

schestowitz

and using arguments from Microsoft's own PR department

Jan 06 00:53

Ariadne

i think if you all actually spent some time working release management issues for a distro, you might have a better understanding of why shim happened

Jan 06 00:53

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, well, Microsoft _is_ the company that launched the "Freedom to Innovate Network" where you could spam your Congress Critter with form letters about how much you loved Active Desktop and IE's channel bar full of ads.

Ariadne

what the hell is active desktop

DaemonFC[m]

If you don't like your computer leaking memory and crashing five times a day, you kick puppies.

Ariadne

i'm sorry i never really used windows growing up

Ariadne

we had macs and a BSD box

DaemonFC[m]

It was this completely awful part of a Windows shell update brought in by IE 4 or, just there in Windows 98, which spewed a bunch of Internet Explorer crap everywhere.

Jan 06 00:55

DaemonFC[m]

It was very poorly written, crashed all the time, and sat there leaking memory until your computer would either blue screen or thrash the swap file until you rebooted.

Jan 06 00:55

Ariadne

amazing

Jan 06 00:55

DaemonFC[m]

My most popular page on my site was all the ways you could remove that and Internet Explorer and go back to the Windows 95 B shell, which I hosted in a zip file.

Jan 06 00:56

DaemonFC[m]

I said "Just grab this and tell RoM II where to find these three files. It'll rip it all out and reboot. Recommended on fresh installs or god only knows what will happen. You were warned.".

schestowitz

made to lie about antitrust

schestowitz

why a rendering engine belonged in the OS

schestowitz

it was a lie and cheat

schestowitz

and they removed it shortly after Microsoft become espionage arm for UIS gov

schestowitz

1999

schestowitz

with back doors

schestowitz

and then no more antitrust

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: It replaced explorer.exe, the common controls dll, and something else, don't remember.

schestowitz

gates even started pretending he was not a criminal anymore

schestowitz

and bribed the media which prior to that said the truth about him

DaemonFC[m]

It was basically Windows 95 with FAT32, USB, Plug and Play, and an improved memory manager, when that was done.

schestowitz

bribing the media to "support journalism"

psydroid

2000 was when I installed gnu/linux (suse) on my computer at home

mjg59

Anyway, the Hacking Team dump included a UEFI-based bootkit

DaemonFC[m]

It did a patch on the shell to make it say Windows 98 instead of 95.

mjg59

The idea that bad people don't attack the boot process is ridiculous

schestowitz

UEFI is a security nightmare

schestowitz

to the point of bricking

DaemonFC[m]

There was absolutely no real integration of IE into Windows 98.

schestowitz

Germany gov. rejected it

schestowitz

for security reasons

mjg59

BIOS is, from a security perspective, worse

DaemonFC[m]

It was skin deep. The shell, some registry crap, some junk that used IE. That's about it.

mjg59

Since there simply isn't any

schestowitz

K.I.S.S.

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft testified in court that it went deep, deep into the OS.

DaemonFC[m]

It did not.

mjg59

And we know that activists have been targeted that way

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft has a long history of dishonesty.

schestowitz

to say the least

Ariadne

anyway all of this was solved back in the 90s with IEEE1275 open firmware

Jan 06 01:00

DaemonFC[m]

They openly lie in court and even when Professor Felton demonstrated his utility, the court didn't acknowledge what had just happened.

Jan 06 01:00

mjg59

Ariadne: I'd be fine with Open Firmware, but that's also missing any real security

Jan 06 01:00

schestowitz

proprietary=security?

Jan 06 01:02

schestowitz

haha

Jan 06 01:02

psydroid

yes

Jan 06 01:02

schestowitz

welcome to Solar Winds, Mr. G

schestowitz

Google Garrett

Ariadne

he did not say proprietary

schestowitz

it's like Microsoft saying "source code" stolen

schestowitz

as if source code = vulnerability

schestowitz

the insinuation is that we should use some opaque and complex crap

schestowitz

for 'security'

schestowitz

as if making things harder to understand means security

Ariadne

open firmware could do the same cryptographic verification without being complex

DaemonFC[m]

Proprietary firmware "hides" bugs and bug workarounds and spaghetti code, but then people figure out a lot of that anyway.

schestowitz

it need not

mjg59

You can implement UEFI (including secure boot) with 100% free code

schestowitz

we don't want that

schestowitz

we don't need it

DaemonFC[m]

And they get threatened with lawsuits over responsible disclosure.

schestowitz

we know who wants that

Ariadne

i want that

schestowitz

and why

schestowitz

monopolies

schestowitz

mjg59: no need

mjg59

It's just Libreboot with the Tiano payload

schestowitz

we don't want

schestowitz

do. not. want.

mjg59

You may not

schestowitz

let the users have their own machine

mjg59

People who are targeted by their governments do

schestowitz

without back doors

MinceR

06 015920 < mjg59> Since there simply isn't any

MinceR

so, exactly as much as with uefi

schestowitz

right now most computers, inc. chromebooks, have back doors

schestowitz

so any security posting is a lugh

MinceR

but at least bios isn't as bloated and has a tendency to work and not brick the computer

schestowitz

and you play along with that joke

MinceR

but who needs that if you can stick "securitah" on the brochure?

schestowitz

*posing

DaemonFC[m]

Google is interested in fixing security problems it didn't intend to put in there.

MinceR

as an added bonus, you can "standardize" on stupid bullshit such as having the system clock set to local time

schestowitz

Google does back doors

schestowitz

remote access to microphone etc.

schestowitz

for the state

mjg59

I've got no idea why people have the impression that I like UEFI

MinceR

because having Backdoors brag about changing your clock on boot is so much fin

schestowitz

Google never cared about seucurity

schestowitz

it attacks users' security

schestowitz

to steal their data

schestowitz

it's an espionage company

mjg59

I've been pretty clear that I think it's a mess

schestowitz

conflating confidentiality with theft of data by itself

DaemonFC[m]

I notice I haven't seen any Chromebooks with a privacy shutter on the webcam.

DaemonFC[m]

Much less one that disables the microphone.

MinceR

"BIOS is worse than UEFI! I don't know why people believe I am a UEFI fanboy!"

schestowitz

"confidential computing' = we stole your data, we don't want Russia/China to have a copy now

MinceR

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MinceR

s/fin/fun/

Ariadne

BIOS and UEFI have a lot of the same crap (e.g. ACPI)

schestowitz

it pays more to attack society

schestowitz

than to reallt protect it

schestowitz

in class war we know who attacks society

schestowitz

and who has the cpital

schestowitz

people give away their loyalties

schestowitz

by supporting Wintel UEFI

mjg59

BIOS has less security than UEFI

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MinceR

no, it has the same amount: 0

schestowitz

I think not much more should be said really...

DaemonFC[m]

I generally disable access to camera and microphone to the web platform and then leave the privacy shutter, which has a hardware disable feature for both, shut.

mjg59

And was also a mess

MinceR

it does tend to have less vendor lock-in, though

MinceR

and less bloat

MinceR

but who cares about those if the brochure is so shiny

schestowitz

you can study it

Ariadne

anyway, i am very interested in cryptographically attested boot of my own kernels with my own keys

schestowitz

and much of the threat comes not from insign binaries

XRevan86

mjg59: Surprisingly, UEFI is a bit tougher to deal with when it breaks.

schestowitz

but the signed ones

schestowitz

chromeOS, windows

schestowitz

they have back doors

MinceR

especially when it bricks the machine

XRevan86

Not surprisingly, Secure Boot is a pain in the arse.

schestowitz

so all this 'secure boot' crap is a lie and posing

schestowitz

by the mass espionage cabal

schestowitz

which includes Google, Apple, Microsoft

schestowitz

even IBM

mjg59

schestowitz: Do you deny that activists have been targeted through modifications to their computer's boot process?

schestowitz

through the OS

schestowitz

like your employers'

schestowitz

Red Hat, Google...

MinceR

mjg59: do you deny that activists have been targeted through security holes in windows?

DaemonFC[m]

There is such a list of shit APIs in Chrome that it exposes to the web.

mjg59

MinceR: They absolutely have

schestowitz

that's how they get to the silicon

DaemonFC[m]

Something that nobody that was up to any good would use.

schestowitz

if the Intel chips themselves aren't targeted with M.E.

schestowitz

MINIX

mjg59

But attacking the boot process (if possible) leaves fewer traces

schestowitz

ripped off quietly for back doors to be added

MinceR

so, how much security do those activists get from a system that is intended to lock them into windows?

Ariadne

i've seen situations where an activist got owned through the OS and then that turned into a bootkit

DaemonFC[m]

Fingerprinter attacks and malware, mostly.

mjg59

And potentially persists over reinstalls

schestowitz

the signatures would not help when the OS itself has back doors

schestowitz

and UEFI is too opaque to offfer security

XRevan86

mjg59: Why would it persist over reinstalls?

MinceR

also, do UEFI fans still believe that they can somehow secure a system in the absence of physical security?

schestowitz

and it's maintained by Pentagon players

MinceR

because that's hilarious

XRevan86

mjg59: Your OS of choice doesn't even try to run grub2-install ?

schestowitz

they can better disguise how bogus this 'security' is

mjg59

XRevan86: If it ends up in the firmware instead

schestowitz

and enable remote bricking (as happened already)

XRevan86

mjg59: Oh, I didn't know Secure Boot protects firmware too.

MinceR

it protects everything, just buy one already!

schestowitz

:-)

mjg59

XRevan86: Secure Boot itself doesn't, but Boot Guard (and similar technologies) push equivalent functionality down into the firmware

DaemonFC[m]

Controlled Folder Access....

MinceR

oh, and buy a license for Backdoors10 too, since we aren't letting you run anything else on it.

DaemonFC[m]

RANSOMWARE PROTECTION!

schestowitz

more loayers

schestowitz

it's cold

schestowitz

more layers

schestowitz

MOAR complexity

DaemonFC[m]

LibreOffice and video game saves will silently fail.

schestowitz

let's add some more RNGs while add it

DaemonFC[m]

But that's a small price to pay for fake security.

MinceR

nice

psydroid

Secure Boot protects your home, it's just that good!

MinceR

the ransomware i was most worried about _were_ libreoffice and video games.

mjg59

MinceR: Anyway, the presumption is absolutely that short term physical access should not result in a machine being compromised

schestowitz

in Intel chips... with secret sauce for your magic pseudo entropy

MinceR

mjg59: well, that's very much an uphill battle

schestowitz

mjg59: most people's machines are compromised regardless, by virtue of running backdoored OSes

mjg59

MinceR: It is, but machines are getting better in this respect

schestowitz

by default

schestowitz

and with keys

schestowitz

from Microsoft

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: It could be not losing your documents as we speak if it wasn't for Microsoft's abuse of read-only attributes that have three workarounds in the other parts of the OS for actual malware.

MinceR

what if an attacker replaced your laptop with one that looks identical but just asks you for your SSD password on boot and then exfiltrates it and hangs?

schestowitz

to boot on UEFI malware baked in

Ariadne

schestowitz: i agree that Microsoft being the default UEFI root of trust is highly problematic

XRevan86

MinceR: I'm lazy, SeaBIOS works so far. I am worried it may be hacked already.

mjg59

MinceR: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/35742.html

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MinceR

mjg59: there is a battle we're more likely to be able to win, though -- the one to retain control over our own property.

MinceR

and that one starts with getting rid of stuff such as UEFI

mjg59

MinceR: I agree. No systems should be sold without it being possible for the owner to run whatever software they wish.

Ariadne: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2469098/is-microsoft-helping-russia-crack-down-on-dissidents-.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Microsoft helping Russia crack down on dissidents? | Computerworld

schestowitz

by Microsoft propagandist

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe LibreOffice should just start saving your documents using code injection against a Trusted Windows Component.

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: That's far more robust anyway.

MinceR

or, for a simpler attack: what if an attacker put a hardware keylogger between the keyboard and mainboard of your laptop?

schestowitz

original https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/world/europe/12raids.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Russia Uses Microsoft to Suppress Dissent - The New York Times

schestowitz

so this is the company we entrust to sign uefi 'secure' boot keys

schestowitz

greeeeeat

schestowitz

approved by vlad

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: They also forcibly whitelist Microsoft Office.

MinceR

DaemonFC[m]

So it never fails to save a document. LibreOffice just breaks for no obvious reason.

MinceR

so "ransomware protection" is just a ploy to lock users into microshit office

MinceR

business as usual

DaemonFC[m]

So you can also get around it by abusing MS Office if it's installed.

MinceR

but hey, microshit <3 everything

MinceR

they said so in their ads, so it's got to be true.

DaemonFC[m]

Well, unless you get an office macro virus.

schestowitz

monopoly is now 'security'

DaemonFC[m]

Then it can write to those folders and encrypt them why not.

schestowitz

and the UEFI boosters WORK for monopolies

schestowitz

coincidence?

mjg59

MinceR: There's actually ways to identify whether a machine has been opened

MinceR

good

MinceR

the first attack i mentioned is immune to all of them

XRevan86

DaemonFC[m]: It's fine as long as users are protected from self-built Linux kernels with Secure Boot.

XRevan86

everything else is immaterial

schestowitz

that's "dangerous"

schestowitz

unlike Windows update

MinceR

then there's the attack that involves using one of the keys owned by the redmond mafia to sign malicious boot code and then putting that code on your "oh so secure" system

schestowitz

with eternal boot ccycles

schestowitz

so you cannot even access your file

MinceR

this could happen with the redmond mafia being a willing participant or it could involve someone breaking into their systems

mjg59

MinceR: Sure, and if that's part of your threat model then you re-key the machine and do your own signing

schestowitz

good luck

schestowitz

and that beats the purpose of the whole thing

MinceR

what schestowitz said

mjg59

I mean, this is a thing we literally do

schestowitz

which means, you lost!

schestowitz

try again later

MinceR

good luck locking down a system that was designed to work against you

MinceR

also, it has the same issue as with the Endorsement Key

psydroid

not being able to boot into your operating system makes your system the safest it will ever be

schestowitz

:-)

schestowitz

protecting us... from ourselves

schestowitz

trust Microsoft

MinceR

making microshit the gatekeeper of your property and attempting to lock out competing OSes by default is not necessary for this whole rekeying business

schestowitz

they know BEST

schestowitz

they also work for Vlad and Donald

MinceR

making it difficult for the user to disable Restricted Boot is also not necessary for it

schestowitz

so they're OK

Ariadne

i do my own signing on my alpine install already

schestowitz

sedition Incorporated

MinceR

the excuses the redmond mafia gives you are fraudulent, they do not justify what they're doing

XRevan86

psydroid: That makes sense. Any programmer with security in mind makes sure that they don't implement something Turing Complete

http://techrights.org/2014/03/25/uefi-secure-boot-and-fsf/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | My Disagreement With the FSF Over UEFI ‘Secure Boot’ | Techrights

MinceR

also, putting a whole OS in your firmware, full of bugs is probably also unnecessary

http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/uefi-secure-boot-award/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI ‘Secure Boot’ is Just a Security Mess, as Techrights Predicted All Along, and FSF Should Not Have Given That Award | Techrights

XRevan86

so not allowing anything Turing Complete to run on a machine is the best way to ensure it's secure :)

MinceR

to say nothing of locking the whole thing into microshit formats like FAT and PE

schestowitz

brickOS

schestowitz

thank you, Matt!

Ariadne

then again

Ariadne

i don't use UEFI

MinceR

XRevan86: yes, smashing the laptop with a sledgehammer will ensure that no malware will run on it

Ariadne

but instead libreboot

http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot-meme/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] It Was Only a Matter of Time All Along | Techrights

Ariadne

with grub2 payload

http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Karma or Hubris? Is #TorvaldsWasRight a Thing Now? | Techrights

MinceR

it would be nice if the hardware manufacturers under the redmond mafia's boots were willing to sell libreboot machines

XRevan86

MinceR: Well, to be fair, these are not terribly complicated formats, so despite being disturbing it's not necessarily an issue.

MinceR

but they aren't

MinceR

XRevan86: they're not terribly complicated, merely terrible

XRevan86

MinceR: They're good enough for UEFI purposes.

MinceR

so maybe they're the best part of UEFI

MinceR

because the rest is not only terrible, but also terribly complicated :>

schestowitz

need to keep their engineers busy

XRevan86

can't argue with facts and logic %)

schestowitz

adding complexity

schestowitz

piling up for monopoly

psydroid

MinceR, I don't think they can, because the Wrath of Gates will send them straight to hell

schestowitz

to keep everyone else chasing

schestowitz

like OOXML

schestowitz

with its endless mazes

XRevan86

Ariadne: Wait, libreboot is still kicking?

MinceR

psydroid: which is exactly the problem

schestowitz

special 'standards' for each version of Office

schestowitz

even 95'

schestowitz

bootloaders should have a simple job

schestowitz

like init systems

schestowitz

boot and do it right

MinceR

indeed

schestowitz

not ask monopolies whether it's "safe"

schestowitz

that's another module

schestowitz

stick it somewhere else

schestowitz

like some USB slot

https://notabug.org/libreboot/libreboot/commits/master hmm

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Commit History · libreboot/libreboot - NotABug.org: Free code hosting

schestowitz

I don't want PGP to also ask Microsoft is my keychain is "trusted"

MinceR

and if they want to keep software to modify boot code without the user's consent, put it on a readonly device or in a readonly slot or protect it with a switch or jumper

XRevan86

That doesn't look like actual coding, but there are commits…

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/researcher-bypasses-windows-controlled-folder-access-anti-ransomware-protection/

MinceR

those are far more reliable than Restricted Boot

schestowitz

MinceR

XRevan86

Ariadne

XRevan86: technically coreboot :P

Jan 06 01:33

DaemonFC[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Researcher Bypasses Windows Controlled Folder Access Anti-Ransomware Protection

MinceR

Anti-LibreOffice Protection

DaemonFC[m]

Jesus displeased with Microsoft

DaemonFC[m]

Jesus said he notified Microsoft about the issue he discovered. In a screenshot of the email he received from Microsoft, Jesus said the OS maker didn't classify the issue as a security vulnerability but said it would improve CFA in future releases to address the reported bypass method.

DaemonFC[m]

"That really means Microsoft will fix the vulnerability that should be classified as Mitigation bypass without acknowledgment," said Jesus, referring to the fact that he'll get no credit or bug bounty reward for the issue he pointed out.

DaemonFC[m]

Jesus displeased.

MinceR

even Jesus doesn't like microshit

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft didn't give Jesus any credit.

MinceR

can we expect divine retribution?

MinceR

maybe the redmond area could get the sodom/gomorrah treatment

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsofts-unreleased-windows-core-polaris-os-leaks-online/

DaemonFC[m]

Jan 06 01:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft's unreleased Windows Core Polaris OS leaks online

Jan 06 01:36

DaemonFC[m]

low performance device

Jan 06 01:36

DaemonFC[m]

Any device can be a low performance device with Windows 10.

Jan 06 01:37

DaemonFC[m]

I thought it was really low energy too.

Jan 06 01:37

MinceR

lol

Jan 06 01:38

MinceR

earlier versions of windows could already do that

Jan 06 01:38

XRevan86

MinceR: Machines keep getting faster, Windows needs to stay up-to-date.

Jan 06 01:39

scientes

XRevan86, they need to develop blinds

Jan 06 01:39

scientes

(that way they don't have to worry about getting blown out)

Jan 06 01:40

MinceR

yeah

Jan 06 01:40

psydroid

does it already run like a pig on hardware from 5 years ago?

Jan 06 01:42

psydroid

I would like to see that happen

Jan 06 01:42

scientes

Enlightenment gets flack, but it runs fast

scientes

while gtk3 uses more ram than gtk2

MinceR

MinceR

when i tried it (DR16 or so) it was the slowest wm i could find for GNU/Linux

MinceR

though it was probably still faster than BackdoorsXP

DaemonFC[m]

"This is PolarisOS. It's a cancelled edition of Windows Core OS that was designed for Desktops and Laptops. This image is early enough to not include much more than the OS itself. It comes with no shell, and won't load any."

psydroid

and gtk4?

XRevan86

I mean that Windows need to keep updating to consistently make any device a low performance device.

MinceR

ooh, cancelled!

DaemonFC[m]

Well, they're still working on Core.

scientes

XRevan86, what do you mean by updateing? Windows drops 95% of hardware when they release a new version

MinceR

someone needs to find some dirt on Core so that, too, can be cancelled

psydroid

best update ever

scientes

and they don't have a choice

scientes

because they don't own the drivers

scientes

(the drivers own them)

XRevan86

scientes: I mean adding stuff like menu lag

psydroid

drop all the old stuff and get with the new stuff

scientes

XRevan86, int click() {usleep(1);}

psydroid

instant profit for everyone involved

MinceR

you can just connect them to a public network

MinceR

and they'll amass enough malware to fill the RAM and swap all the time

MinceR

boom, menu lag

psydroid

scientes, and this also means they will never have wide support for devices like linux does

XRevan86

scientes: https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2019/09/08/taskbar-latency-and-kernel-calls/ something like that

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-randomascii.wordpress.com | Taskbar Latency and Kernel Calls | Random ASCII – tech blog of Bruce Dawson

DaemonFC[m]

The Democrats promised that if both Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock are elected, they will immediately pass another Coronavirus stimulus bill.

DaemonFC[m]

$4,000 more in the bank. Trump in the pen..... Life is good.

psydroid

the best way to kill Windows is to impose multiple industry-wide instruction set switches

XRevan86

it's an oldie, I just loved it

DaemonFC[m]

He could use some time in the penitentiary. He isn't a very penitent fellow. Maybe this will help.

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: Thoughts?

DaemonFC[m]

And prayers?

scientes

MinceR, I have definitely experienced that

DaemonFC[m]

The governor of Georgia has no power to pardon Trump for the crimes he committed while being recorded the other day on the phone.

MinceR

psydroid: how do we do that?

scientes

when connecting the DSL model immediately causes the windows computer to drag to a crawl

DaemonFC[m]

Because in Georgia, that goes out to a pardon board that decides, on a majority vote, whether to grant him one.

DaemonFC[m]

And if the board rejects it or deadlocks, he remains open to prosecution.

DaemonFC[m]

And we know that Governor Cuomo of New York isn't going to pardon him.

psydroid

MinceR, by not buying what the vendors

MinceR

and what would we buy then?

psydroid

try to sell to us

scientes

XRevan86, did you notice that the "next post" button reads "

scientes

We Need a Carbon Tax, Now, That Goes Up Over Time →"

scientes

← O(n^2) in CreateProcess

MinceR

psydroid: besides, we're not the majority of the buyers, nor do we control the majority of the money on the market

psydroid

MinceR, so you're saying nothing really matters and people will keep buying mostly Microsoft, Apple and Google devices, because those are the ones being sold and people are made tovbelieve they need them

Jan 06 01:56

psydroid

I agree with that, but there can be a fourth, but decidedly niche category of devices that we can control to a larger extent

Jan 06 01:56

MinceR

i'm saying our situation is pretty grim

psydroid

Will it be sustainable, though?

MinceR

maybe we can solve it if we can somehow manufacture chips and PCBs at home

MinceR

which doesn't seem easy

MinceR

i'm hoping 3d printing will solve this

psydroid

That was my idea I wrote to a private mailing list several months ago, but I got only a few responses

Jan 06 01:58

psydroid

Maybe we need to find people with similar interest in computational autonomy

Jan 06 02:03

psydroid

I mean full software and hardware freedom

Jan 06 02:07

Ariadne

DaemonFC[m]: how much will the $4000 cost in the long run tho

Jan 06 02:08

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Jan 06 02:13

DaemonFC[m]

Who cares?

Jan 06 02:21

DaemonFC[m]

I'm getting my passport and getting the FUCK out of here anyway if they deny Mandy's case.

Jan 06 02:21

DaemonFC[m]

I'll go live with him. I'm sure nobody in the Philippines cares how long I'm there on a tourist visa.

Jan 06 02:21

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Jan 06 02:26

DaemonFC[m]

I don't know what I'd be walking into there and I really don't care.

Jan 06 02:28

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Jan 06 02:57

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: Trump banned Americans from paying for WPS Office with an executive order.

Jan 06 03:06

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Jan 06 04:28

Ariadne

Jan 06 04:42

Ariadne

wtf is WPS Office

Jan 06 04:42

Ariadne

amazing

Jan 06 04:43

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Jan 06 05:07

DaemonFC[m]

Kingsoft. A Chinese company.

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Jan 06 05:42

DaemonFC[m]

WPS Office is in the Windows Store.

Jan 06 05:56

DaemonFC[m]

If Trump's ban goes into effect, Microsoft can use the store to remove software you purchased and use.

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Jan 06 06:05

scientes

Ariadne, Slavery as a Service

Jan 06 06:06

schestowitz

Software substitute

Jan 06 06:18

schestowitz

You can't say "slavery" now

Jan 06 06:18

schestowitz

now even the newFSF will say it

Jan 06 06:18

schestowitz

it's a racist word apparently

Jan 06 06:19

schestowitz

as if all slavery is race-based

Jan 06 06:19

scientes

schestowitz, the distinction between servant and slave is also a difficult one to most people

Jan 06 06:26

schestowitz

servant can be spun as racist also

Jan 06 06:26

schestowitz

in many contexts the servants would be something like Portuguese

schestowitz

in europe

schestowitz

they want those low-paying jobs

Ariadne

a servant is somebody i meet on fetlife

scientes

<schestowitz> in many contexts the servants would be something like Portuguese

schestowitz

society should have no servant.... people should all cook their own meals and refill their beer pint glasses

scientes

schestowitz, When I was on the Tap Portugal flight from San Francisco to Lisboa the flight attendants spoke Portuguese to the Angolans

Ariadne

in general i agree but if someone wants to get off to being my servant it’s a win win

schestowitz

former colony

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: Do you suppose this really has anything to do with China, or just an easy way to kill a Microsoft Office competitor?

scientes

colonial relationships are closely related to serfdom

Ariadne

that’s more a game than an actual contract of servitude though

DaemonFC[m]

Because as far as I can tell, they have a competitive office suite program and Trump might be using this tough on China crap to do them a favor on the way out.

scientes

Ariadne, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuyVJYP7GJk

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sofia Carson - Love Is The Name (Official Music Video) - YouTube

DaemonFC[m]

Probably the first thing that people do when they see what Microsoft Office will cost is get sticker shock.

DaemonFC[m]

There's no version hidden in the cost of the computer, like with Windows. Just some 30 day trialware that sticks its hand out and wants $300 for the desktop program or $70 a year for Clown.

Ariadne

people pay for office suites still?

DaemonFC[m]

Yes.

Ariadne

i just use libreoffice man

DaemonFC[m]

My attorney was on the phone cursing about how much she hates Microsoft 365.

Ariadne

well that’s also like email hosting and shit right?

DaemonFC[m]

I told her they should really call it Microsoft 350 to anticipate how much downtime it seems to have each year.

DaemonFC[m]

15 days worth, guaranteed.

scientes

<Ariadne> that’s more a game than an actual contract of servitude though

scientes

What do you mean?

Ariadne

hahaha

DaemonFC[m]

Like, how much productivity is this thing costing the economy?

Ariadne

right i forgot this is a channel full of nerds

DaemonFC[m]

I do use LibreOffice.

scientes

Ariadne, but you are the nerd in that question

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft says just do Clown and it'll be their problem to maintain it.

Ariadne

so basically there is this stuff called BDSM

Ariadne

it’s like free software except sex

DaemonFC[m]

But then you lose your internet connection or their server crashes.

Ariadne

and so some aspect of BSDM you get these people who like to role play as servants

Jan 06 06:33

Ariadne

and that was the joke i was making

Jan 06 06:33

schestowitz

They cannot be part of Drupal

schestowitz

because Drupal is too "woke"

Ariadne

errrr i mean BDSM

Ariadne

wow did i call it BSDM hahahaha

schestowitz

BSD

schestowitz

I am careful not to write BSD as BDS

schestowitz

BDS Masochism

*scientes puts on his robe a wizard hat.

scientes

schestowitz, it was forked, it is FreeLSD now

Ariadne

anyway

Ariadne

that stuff seems to largely be driven by sock puppets

Jan 06 06:36

Ariadne

i do think it is better to use self explaining terminology though

Jan 06 06:37

Ariadne

primary/replicant is more explanatory when it comes to databases for example

Jan 06 06:37

Ariadne

especially for non native speakers of english

Jan 06 06:38

Ariadne

with that said i know a ton of PoC working in tech and even free software and they’re more concerned about their work not being gaining the same attention as white peoples work

Jan 06 06:39

kingoffrance

replicant you say?

Jan 06 06:39

Ariadne

computing i’m sorry to say due to corporate influence is largely

Ariadne

biased towards white men

*kingoffrance leaves a paper mache unicorn

Ariadne

it’s just what it is

Ariadne

changing that is far more important than “fixing” legacy instances where suboptimal terminology is used

Ariadne

i think really that changing terminology retroactively is largely a fluff action intended to make people look like they are solving problems when in reality they are maintaining the status quo

Jan 06 06:42

Ariadne

it is easier for say, Microsoft, to do a find and replace in their documentation than it is for them to change their PR practices to give more opportunities to underrepresented groups

Jan 06 06:42

Ariadne

so they go on about master/slave

Jan 06 06:43

Ariadne

it’s a distraction, not the actual work that needs to be done

Jan 06 06:43

schestowitz

[06:35] <scientes> schestowitz, it was forked, it is FreeLSD now

schestowitz

Does Mr. Jobs know?

http://techrights.org/2011/10/23/steve-jobs-exposed/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Steve Jobs and His War on Linux, LSD Addiction, and ‘Theft’ of Credit for UNIX, Java, Xerox Inventions | Techrights

schestowitz

Jobs said he's shamless about stealkin

scientes

schestowitz, don't have a witty response to that now

schestowitz

FreeLSD can stop the stealing part

Jan 06 06:46

schestowitz

[06:40] <Ariadne> biased towards white men

Jan 06 06:46

schestowitz

so was agriculture

Jan 06 06:46

schestowitz

or modern forms of it

Ariadne

society has biases in many areas

schestowitz

[06:43] <Ariadne> it’s a distraction, not the actual work that needs to be done

schestowitz

seems more and more like this, over time

schestowitz

given the contexts in which they bring this uo

schestowitz

*up

schestowitz

the latest I saw was, they made a whole consortium

schestowitz

when there was major tech scandals about much more than words

schestowitz

and they want to be seen as 'ethical"

Ariadne

software freedom is inherently a social justice issue, as such we should not only spread and amplify software freedom but the opportunities to participate for all stakeholders

schestowitz

with blog posts and rename initiatives

schestowitz

getting talented engineers to waste time by changing param names nobody sees anyway, then testing again

schestowitz

look at Intel leaks

schestowitz

they get people to pass around WORD/OOXML files

Jan 06 06:49

schestowitz

instead of just doing code

Jan 06 06:49

schestowitz

even for "added a comma"

Jan 06 06:49

Ariadne

while that is unfortunate, focusing on the bad working conditions at intel is only part of the problem. we need to also focus on drafting new talent

Jan 06 06:54

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schestowitz

tbh, I wory about armvidia

schestowitz

who knows what they might do

schestowitz

and British and Japanese company I trusted them more

schestowitz

those countries cooperate on back doors

schestowitz

but in US it's "standards practice"

schestowitz

LOL

Jan 06 07:18

schestowitz

" I still enjoy working with Windows and I think that WSL2 is the «big thing» we asked for. "

Jan 06 07:18

schestowitz

Who is "WE"?

https://fedtti.medium.com/macbook-pro-macos-high-sierra-1d7102e43e33

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedtti.medium.com | How I fixed a MacBook Pro from 2012 | Medium

schestowitz

people who never heard of virtualbox?

schestowitz

He uses visual studio

schestowitz

so basically phonies who want fake 'ubuntu'

schestowitz

to use Microsoft proprietary stuff

schestowitz

and Macs

schestowitz

we fail to send the message about software freedom

schestowitz

"Plus Microsoft's path to dominating the Linux desktop becomes clear."

schestowitz

https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/143842/tumbling-into-the-new-year-linux-unplugged-387/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Tumbling Into the New Year! | LINUX Unplugged 387 | Jupiter Broadcasting

https://stop.zona-m.net/2020/12/what-went-wrong-with-software-for-prisons/

Ariadne

armvidia is very concerning yes

Jan 06 07:32

Ariadne

but could be a huge win for riscv

Jan 06 07:32

schestowitz

Jan 06 07:35

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | What went wrong with software for prisons | Stop at Zona-M

Jan 06 07:35

schestowitz

Microsoft...

Jan 06 07:35

schestowitz

Yandex/?? https://www.fosslinux.com/44615/the-best-secure-private-email-services-for-privacy.htm

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | The 10 Best Secure Private Email Services for Privacy | FOSS Linux

schestowitz

"You do not need to worry about unwarranted exposure to fraud and spam. Moreover, there is some aspect of flexibility in managing your Yandex accounts. One account can be used to control and manage the many mailboxes and services under this platform. You can get an in-person introduction to Yandex by visiting its official site."

schestowitz

That's not privacy

schestowitz

weird plug

https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/toolchain-for-lop-130-3/

schestowitz

Jan 06 07:48

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | IBM Advance Toolchain for Linux on Power 13.0-3 released! – IBM Developer

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Jan 06 08:15

schestowitz

my connection became super-low again

Jan 06 08:41

schestowitz

they did not resolve the issue

Jan 06 08:41

schestowitz

last night was a temporary fluke, not a fix

Jan 06 08:42

schestowitz

will need to escalate this today

Jan 06 08:42

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Jan 06 08:55

schestowitz

vZS1: A friend and relative of ours who's a nurse says she knows someone who get 'the' vaccine and then got sick with #covid19 (we generally still lack public statistical data on those things). No, as a nurse she still refuses to get the jab. Many are the same.

Jan 06 09:01

schestowitz

they use them for testing

Jan 06 09:02

schestowitz

making it seem like front liners get a gift

Jan 06 09:02

schestowitz

by becoming their first test set

Jan 06 09:02

vZS1

There's a thing called checksums. Works great for making sure you have the right file. You could even use PGP signatures.

Jan 06 09:26

vZS1

All this secure boot is nonsense

Jan 06 09:26

vZS1

It's like TLS. Take control away from the user with fake security

Jan 06 09:28

vZS1

You'll end up with the same monopoly of trust which will be abused in every way they can think of

Jan 06 09:29

vZS1

Fundamentally the same problem

Jan 06 09:29

vZS1

You'll end up with "trusted" authorities that dictate what you can and cannot boot

Jan 06 09:31

vZS1

It's also incredibly rigid. Doing data verification in userspace means you can use up-to-date security software.

vZS1

Even the best security software has bugs and is constantly updated.

schestowitz

yeah

schestowitz

that's why I mentioned you in relation to this

https://variety.com/2021/tv/global/mr-bean-rowan-atkinson-cancel-culture-1234878676/

vZS1

I know because I work on one of the most widely used ones. Won't mention due to privacy but schestowitz can vouch for me there.

Jan 06 09:35

vZS1

It has an endless stream of bugs that always needs patching

Jan 06 09:35

vZS1

Hard enough to do it when it's GPL

Jan 06 09:35

vZS1

Close down the development and you end up with ineffective security. It's best done with continuous auditing from every source possible. Mathematicians to end users.

Jan 06 09:38

schestowitz

Jan 06 09:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Mr. Bean' Actor Rowan Atkinson on Cancel Culture, New Animated Film - Variety

Jan 06 09:42

vZS1

Most people using this stuff have some illusion that they're perfect written by infallible people. But the truth isn't great for marketing.

Jan 06 09:45

schestowitz

BT keeps lying to me

Jan 06 09:46

schestowitz

my connection is slow again

schestowitz

unlike last night

schestowitz

so we know it has the capacity for speed

schestowitz

but they traffic-shape

schestowitz

and then they blame "quipment"

schestowitz

and "Automatic"

schestowitz

we "can't change that"

schestowitz

I say, "it is YOUR equipment"

schestowitz

surely they can, if there's will, configure it

Ariadne

i know somebody who has AAISP and is quite happy with it

schestowitz

they don't care about home overs, unless they upsell or it's a business with reckless accounting

Ariadne

you can even complain to them in IRC

schestowitz

that overpay and underuse

schestowitz

Arnold?

schestowitz

A&A?

vZS1

BT have a track record

vZS1

For being shoddy

schestowitz

I wrote lots about them

schestowitz

many articles

schestowitz

but that was a long time ago when they gave me hell

Ariadne

schestowitz: yeah

schestowitz

this is the first time in half a decade

vZS1

Tell them you are escalating to ofcom if they don't comply with the regulations

schestowitz

Ariadne: we've just paid you :-)

schestowitz

processing can take some hours

schestowitz

vZS1: yes, am going to do that

Ariadne

my bank dinged

Ariadne

instantaneously

schestowitz

cool

schestowitz

zoobab: 10mb/hour

schestowitz

at most 20

schestowitz

for uploads

schestowitz

a video more than a few minutes would take hours or half a day

Ariadne

i investigated moving tuxmachines off mod_php, but tuxmachines is on centos6

Ariadne

so i think we should rebuild that asap

Ariadne

centos6 is going to be EOL soon

Ariadne

Ariadne

it's EOL already

vZS1

The thing with ofcom is that they've never regulated upload speed minimums until this coming March

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vZS1

It was only downloads regulated

vZS1

Only for consuming

vZS1

But not for actually publishing

schestowitz

oh, I see

vZS1

So they're impartial

vZS1

Used to be at least

vZS1

This is the first time uploads are going to be regulated in the UK

vZS1

Because people got fed up

schestowitz

Ariadne: I think compatibility for mariadb and php is key when migrating

vZS1

Many people upload large videos every day and things like broadcasting on Twitch are very popular

vZS1

So they couldn't get away with it for long

schestowitz

as the patched up drupal might not cope with "too news"

schestowitz

"too new"

vZS1

People started to write damning reviews and talk about how bad upload speeds are. Asymmetric; because downloads are so much faster on the same line.

Jan 06 09:55

schestowitz

in my case like 1:100

schestowitz

right now I could download about 100mb at the same time I upload 1

schestowitz

last night's improved (temporarily) speed suggests throttling

schestowitz

and...

schestowitz

can't even make phonecalls

schestowitz

can hear

schestowitz

but cannot be heard

schestowitz

choppy and loggy

schestowitz

*laggy

Ariadne

that sounds really bad, what if you have to call 112

Ariadne

or i guess it's 999 in UK

Jan 06 09:59

schestowitz

landline works ok

Jan 06 09:59

schestowitz

for all I can tell

Jan 06 09:59

schestowitz

just used it moments ago to approve a payment

schestowitz

and this morning wife used it cause voip failed

schestowitz

cannot be heard, or barely

schestowitz

we have to use landline as fallback now

schestowitz

because of BT

vZS1

The big broadband providers are bleeding customers

schestowitz

I thought,

schestowitz

later when they phone me...

vZS1

Because they were resting on their laurels

schestowitz

I will tell them I am filing a complaint with ofcom

schestowitz

even if I do not

schestowitz

it ought to rush them a bit

schestowitz

1.5 hours now... to upload my new 20mb video

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schestowitz

not done yet

x https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/next-gen-technologies/bill-gates-hails-indias-leadership-in-scientific-innovation-vaccine-manufacturing/80115719

schestowitz

I'd make a longer video if I had a working connection

Jan 06 10:02

schestowitz

it's done now http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/linus-instead-of-linux/

Jan 06 10:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gossip Mill as ‘News’: The Mainstream Media Covers Linus Instead of Linux | Techrights

Jan 06 10:06

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Bill Gates: Bill Gates hails India's leadership in scientific innovation, vaccine manufacturing, IT News, ET CIO

schestowitz

# bill sez

schestowitz

sign

schestowitz

corrupted media

schestowitz

not even news

schestowitz

just gates spam/ads

schestowitz

from the usual sources

schestowitz

and people get all cynical about news sites

schestowitz

Bill says

schestowitz

Bill claims

schestowitz

he hails his profiteering venture

schestowitz

after using his fake 'charity' to bribe Modi

schestowitz

basically boosta fascist

schestowitz

to help himself become richer

schestowitz

Microsoft is googlebombing again

x https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2021/01/05/maui.aspx

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-visualstudiomagazine.com | MAUI in .NET 6: Xamarin.Forms Does Desktop, but Not Linux or VS Code -- Visual Studio Magazine

schestowitz

MAUI is a KDE thing

schestowitz

they spam the word/term

schestowitz

in technical context

schestowitz

the linux devs complained

schestowitz

they're in mexico

schestowitz

man united fans btw

schestowitz

and they liked how I mentioned it last night

schestowitz

more spam

x https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/5/22214786/dell-monitor-microsoft-teams-button-features-specs-price-release-date

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Dell’s new monitors have a dedicated Microsoft Teams button - The Verge

schestowitz

The Verge

schestowitz

corrupted by bGates

schestowitz

who removed from there his critics

schestowitz

and became "Guest Editor"

schestowitz

immense corruption of the media

vZS1

Modhi is a sectarian leader. Sikhs and Muslims are persecuted and he benefits from it politically.

Jan 06 10:21

vZS1

He gives the big monopolies special treatment and they destroy competition.

Jan 06 10:22

vZS1

Basically rob public funds to "host" events for them as well

Jan 06 10:22

schestowitz

they wage a war on cash

schestowitz

and give monopolies to the facilitators of the fascism, inc. Gates

schestowitz

'foundation'

schestowitz

whose sole foundation is greed and lies

vZS1

Don't forget the mass experimentation on poor people under the guise of "charity"

schestowitz

same as American fascism http://techrights.org/2020/10/25/donald-trump-and-bill-gates/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Donald Trump Helped Bill Gates Increase His Wealth by More Than 50%, Especially During the Pandemic | Techrights

schestowitz

bow down to the oligarchs

schestowitz

the job creators

schestowitz

whose jobs are created in remote islands... an office one 1 or 2 people

schestowitz

to 'manage' their account in Cayman Island or something

schestowitz

or Reno in Microsoft's case

schestowitz

[10:23] <vZS1> Don't forget the mass experimentation on poor people under the guise of "charity"

http://techrights.org/2014/10/21/bill-gates-india/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | India May be Taking Bill Gates to Court for Misusing His So-called ‘Charity’ to Conduct Clinical Trials Without Consent on Behalf of Companies He Invests in | Techrights

schestowitz

of course

schestowitz

flatter India

schestowitz

and its corrupt leadership

schestowitz

then get more subjects who cannot sue

schestowitz

for the more risky experiments

vZS1

They're mostly uneducated

vZS1

So they can't fight for their rights

schestowitz

e.g. third trimester abortions http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/philanthropic-racism/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | “Philanthropic Racism” (Clinical Trials/Experimentation on Live Subjects and Ethnic Cleaning as ‘Public Good’) | Techrights

schestowitz

banned by FDA

schestowitz

vZS1: nor can they afford

schestowitz

and the courts in their country are cheaper and easier to buy off

schestowitz

in china they arrest public interest lawyers

vZS1

I've lived through this kind of corruption. It's a nightmare

schestowitz

under the guise that they're agents

schestowitz

Russia went down the same route

schestowitz

if "embarrassing", then "agent"

schestowitz

like people who look into pollution in Chinese rivers

schestowitz

or benzene

schestowitz

working out, bbl

vZS1

I'm heading off for now. Will probably be back in the evening

Jan 06 10:28

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Jan 06 10:50

schestowitz

ok, vallor

Jan 06 11:01

schestowitz

vZS1 I mean

Jan 06 11:01

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*Now talking on #techrights

*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell

*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012

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Jan 06 13:36

schestowitz__

Just spent nearly two hours battling with greedy BT over the phone; they're making it almost impossible to cancel an account after repeatedly failing their customers. So awful. Will do an article about it.

Jan 06 13:55

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Jan 06 14:12

schestowitz__

I will post a link when ready

Jan 06 14:20

schestowitz__

not for techrights but my personal blog

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schestowitz__

schestowitz.com - Blog Archive - Coronavirus May Have Caused a Nationwide or Regional Congestion Crisis for BT ⇨ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/01/06/coronavirus-bt/ •●• #schestowitz | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/06/#latest

Jan 06 15:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Coronavirus May Have Caused a Nationwide or Regional Congestion Crisis for BT

Jan 06 15:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

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Jan 06 15:41

CrystalMath

BT?

Jan 06 15:41

schestowitz__

British Telecom

Jan 06 15:44

schestowitz__

the monopoly

Jan 06 15:44

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Jan 06 16:10

psydroid

here the (former) telecom monopoly is going to invest more in FTTH, because it has been losing lots of customers over the years

Jan 06 16:15

schestowitz__

aha

Jan 06 16:21

schestowitz__

dutch?

Jan 06 16:21

schestowitz__

irish?

Jan 06 16:21

psydroid

dutch

psydroid

KPN

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

I know them

schestowitz__

we help them track underwater cables

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/businesswire/netherlands-fixed-broadband-market-statistics-and-analyses-2019-researchandmarkets-com/

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Jan 06 16:34

psydroid

Jan 06 16:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Netherlands Fixed Broadband Market Statistics and Analyses 2019 - ResearchAndMarkets.com - DutchNews.nl

Jan 06 16:42

psydroid

I wonder what the numbers are like in the UK

Jan 06 16:43

schestowitz__

psydroid: I can show you something Intel

Jan 06 16:57

schestowitz__

for comment

Jan 06 16:57

schestowitz__

before I finalise

Jan 06 16:57

schestowitz__

but I am uploading the video

schestowitz__

might take 2 hours for 38 MB

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

no webcam today, it makes the videos heavy (motion flux)

http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/technical-incompetence-at-intel/

psydroid

schestowitz__: I can look at it now

Jan 06 16:59

schestowitz__

ok, wait

Jan 06 17:05

schestowitz__

but check fast... to avoid typos being seen by many

Jan 06 17:05

schestowitz__

Jan 06 17:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks – Part VI: A Deeper Dive Into the Technical Incompetence at Intel | Techrights

Jan 06 17:06

schestowitz__

psydroid: give me personal comments if you want them added

Jan 06 17:07

schestowitz__

it helps to hear more voice

Jan 06 17:07

schestowitz__

the video is not yet complete, still uploading

Jan 06 17:07

schestowitz__

psydroid: still there? maybe MinceR and DaemonFC[m] can also comment?

Jan 06 17:10

MinceR

i'm here

psydroid

schestowitz__: I am still here and I just read the article and was thinking a bit about places and situations where I have come across this behaviour

schestowitz__

thanks

schestowitz__

the video is mostly uploaded now, about 60%

schestowitz__

I think that's enough to get the gist of it, even if not complete

MinceR

i'll read the article

Jan 06 17:12

psydroid

I think the closest hint at Intel's double agenda is the fact that they decided to launch a Lakefield processor and platform that explicitly targets Windows, as if the whole GNU/Linux revolution over the past 3 decades hasn't happened at all

Jan 06 17:12

MinceR

maybe different suits at intel have different agendas

Jan 06 17:13

psydroid

we discussed this a few months ago, but for me it was a sign that they don't actually care or it was a confirmation of their renewed interest in promoting Windows

Jan 06 17:13

MinceR

or maybe the redmond mafia twists their arm from time to time

Jan 06 17:14

MinceR

wikipedia says this InVision is a "web-based prototyping tool"

Jan 06 17:16

MinceR

so that screenshot could be a screenshot of a mockup of a website

Jan 06 17:16

MinceR

it is highly likely that that screenshot was made on Backdoors10, but that doesn't really say much about what the prototype is being developed on

Jan 06 17:17

psydroid

as far as compilers and support for FGPAs are concerned I have Quartus installed and could use it for creating circuits, but maybe there are some other components that are still Windows-only

Jan 06 17:17

MinceR

it could be that different people use different platforms at intel, which i've seen at other corporations as well

Jan 06 17:17

schestowitz__

MinceR: you will see context for that later

MinceR

psydroid

I'm watching the video now

schestowitz__

thanks, adding comments

schestowitz__

still time to insert more

schestowitz__

you may get almost the whole video if you refesh the page before playing it

Jan 06 17:19

schestowitz__

depends on which browser and when it caches the file

MinceR

maybe intel management doesn't know what they want -- try to survive microsloth or tie their destiny to microshit and go wherever microshit goes

*schestowitz__ has just added MinceR and psydroid comments to http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/technical-incompetence-at-intel/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks – Part VI: A Deeper Dive Into the Technical Incompetence at Intel | Techrights

schestowitz__

MinceR: the latter

schestowitz__

partnership

MinceR

some of the stuff they did doesn't seem to fit that well into that

schestowitz__

Imagine some people tell Intel to partner with Microsoft on the very same thing Microsoft is attacking, Linux

MinceR

then again, maybe they believe that they need to throw us a few bones temporarily before locking us into microshit world again

MinceR

or maybe they're doing a similar kind of misdirection as the redmond mafia, just less ad-based

psydroid

MinceR is right on the money and this is what has disappointed me for a long time

psydroid

it reeks of Stockholm Syndrome

psydroid

really not much different from Microsoft tactics

schestowitz__

yeah

schestowitz__

also factions and cliques

schestowitz__

hence many top-level resignations

schestowitz__

the cult it intruding

schestowitz__

*is

psydroid

it cuts off for me at 6:22, so I'll have to wait a bit for the rest of the video to be uploaded

Jan 06 17:24

schestowitz__

refresh page

Jan 06 17:24

schestowitz__

you can then resume where you left off

schestowitz__

that's how falkon and FF ESR are on my setup

schestowitz__

my connection is bad

schestowitz__

maybe I'll outsource it to ipfs or something, but even then I'd need to wait for others like vZS1 to pin it

schestowitz__

otherwise I only contribute to more slowness on my home network

schestowitz__

TR serves 5MB/sec, on average, over past 5 days

psydroid

I'm using Falkon too, it continued from there after opening the page in another tab

MinceR

the video is more interesting than that screenshot :)

schestowitz__

the screenshots are not mine, but I edited them

Jan 06 17:27

schestowitz__

to hide some staff and stuff

Jan 06 17:27

MinceR

these wrong command lines are funny

Jan 06 17:27

schestowitz__

Intel is not intelligent

schestowitz__

it's INTELLIGENCE

MinceR

schestowitz__

IntOp

schestowitz__

there are funnier examples to come

schestowitz__

like the "folder" things

http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/linux-as-windows/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks – Part III: Intel Treats Linux Like Linux is Just Microsoft Windows | Techrights

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/12fceedf68dd3655.jpg

schestowitz__

LINUX IS COOL! YOU CAN THE GITHUBS AND THE INTERNETS AND VS CODE AND STUFF! YAY, I'm also a minority group, hire me pls, will work for food

Jan 06 17:29

MinceR

lol

Jan 06 17:29

MinceR

*will be diverse for food

Jan 06 17:30

schestowitz__

then the geeks run away

Jan 06 17:30

schestowitz__

and you have defective chips with code on MS SHITHUB

Jan 06 17:30

psydroid

what also becomes clear from the video is that Intel will always be in the Microsoft camp with one foot as well as keep their own employees and developers developing for their processors in that same camp, because there is always a way out (intentionally or not)

Jan 06 17:32

psydroid

and what is worse this prevents a lot of GNU/Linux developers from ever looking beyond Intel, so it's a bit like a WSL strategy to keep developers in the fold

Jan 06 17:34

schestowitz__

until they see leaks

Jan 06 17:34

schestowitz__

and move on

Jan 06 17:34

MinceR

Jan 06 17:35

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

my connection die

schestowitz__

come over

schestowitz__

all 30 of you

schestowitz__

*connection DIED

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Jan 06 17:47

psydroid

it's funny to talk about it like this, but my cousin got married about a month ago

Jan 06 17:48

psydroid

and almost all people who were present there got covid

Jan 06 17:48

psydroid

about 30 of them

Jan 06 17:48

schestowitz__

:-)

schestowitz__

congrats

schestowitz__

on the coronation

schestowitz__

wedding

MinceR

lol

schestowitz__

afaik, neither of us has had it

Jan 06 17:50

schestowitz__

we would likely show at least some mild symptoms

Jan 06 17:50

schestowitz__

like nasal, lack of taste, sore throat?

Jan 06 17:51

psydroid

I don't think I've had it either, as I haven't displayed any of the symptoms

Jan 06 17:51

psydroid

but I've been extremely careful throughout all this time

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Jan 06 17:53

schestowitz__

we still wash everything we buy

Jan 06 17:55

schestowitz__

foods

Jan 06 17:55

schestowitz__

extensively

Jan 06 17:55

schestowitz__

dry non-edible items that don't need fridge are left aside for days to be quarantined before handled

Jan 06 17:56

schestowitz__

not everyone has the luxury of isolation because shares council housing (US: the projects) rely on the recklessness or carefulness of their co-tenants and who they meet/bring in

Jan 06 17:57

schestowitz__

*shared

Jan 06 17:57

schestowitz__

some people living in housing without any 'living space' and share lavatory facilities or showers with people who live in nearby units

Jan 06 17:59

schestowitz__

COVID <3 poverty

Jan 06 17:59

DaemonFC[m]

I installed Zoom to have a meeting with the attorney.

Jan 06 17:59

DaemonFC[m]

She says we have a decent shot at getting past the interview.

schestowitz__

yuck

schestowitz__

I mean zoom

schestowitz__

not what she said

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: yeah, you will be fine

schestowitz__

think like it, too

schestowitz__

if you project confidence, it'll help

schestowitz__

they look for people who will give up and consent to rejection

schestowitz__

I'm sure your mon, DaemonFC[m], will pray... for the immigration enforcement

Jan 06 18:01

schestowitz__

but she will lose like her political candidate of choice did

Jan 06 18:01

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: The Republicans lost both Senate seats in Georgia last night too.

Jan 06 18:02

schestowitz__

classy

Jan 06 18:05

schestowitz__

when black people in the south realise GOP is just three silent Ks

Jan 06 18:05

schestowitz__

voter turnout surges

DaemonFC[m]

Loeffler says she'll fight to make sure "only the legal votes are counted".

https://truthout.org/articles/aoc-omar-want-trump-impeached-over-his-call-to-change-georgia-election-results/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | AOC, Omar Want Trump Impeached Over His Call to Change Georgia Election Results

DaemonFC[m]

Which worked out great for Trump. She can't even request a recount because he beat her by almost double the margin allowed.

https://truthout.org/articles/early-georgia-voting-data-shows-unprecedented-black-voter-turnout/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Early Georgia Voting Data Shows Unprecedented Black Voter Turnout

https://truthout.org/articles/kelly-loeffler-officially-becomes-a-billionaire-days-before-georgia-runoff/

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Kelly Loeffler Officially Became a Billionaire Days Before Georgia Runoff

https://www.democracynow.org/2021/1/5/greg_palast_georgia

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | “This Is Voter Suppression”: 198,000 Georgia Residents Were Illegally Purged from Voter Rolls | Democracy Now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oNgyUAEv0Q

schestowitz__

the "great replacement"... of nazis by non-nazis

Jan 06 18:07

schestowitz__

get your mug now

Jan 06 18:08

schestowitz__

"fascists' tears"

Jan 06 18:08

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: Fox News said if the Democrats won the Senate seats in Georgia, the stock market would crash, said some "strategist".

Jan 06 18:20

DaemonFC[m]

It's up today.

Jan 06 18:20

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Jan 06 18:42

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: Al Bundy: "I'm sorry I was late. I sideswiped a car outside Steve and Marcy's. But if they can afford a Mercedes they can afford to pay for it." Peg: "Well did you leave a note?" Al: "Sure I did. It said next time buy American.".

Jan 06 18:43

XRevan86

https://cv1.pikabu.ru/video/2021/01/06/1609950917271755370_1280x720.webm technology has gone too far

Jan 06 19:09

MinceR

Jan 06 19:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-your scientists were so preoccupied - YouTube

Jan 06 19:12

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schestowitz__

[18:20] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz__: Fox News said if the Democrats won the Senate seats in Georgia, the stock market would crash, said some "strategist".

schestowitz__

Faux Noise

schestowitz__

logic to it? None.

schestowitz__

As if GOP "good for the economy"... or something

schestowitz__

Next they will say "the extreme left" or "COMMIES" stole the election

Jan 06 19:35

schestowitz__

it's always some sort of Marxist ploy when the Nazi Party loses

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mugli

Greetings

mugli

https would be nice on the techrights.org domain.

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

mugli

please insert a greetings before that ^_^

schestowitz__

yes, we know

schestowitz__

need to change OS for that

mugli

apprecieted

mugli

been there done that

mugli

I feel you

mugli

nice articles by the way

http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/freesw-and-human-rights/

mugli

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Connecting Software Freedom and Human Rights | Techrights

mugli

Software right are human rights. IMHO

mugli

Have a nice day.

schestowitz__

thanks

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Jan 06 20:41

DaemonFC[m]

The cops have gained the upper hand.

DaemonFC[m]

They're shooting rubber bullets at the Trump supporters, who are breaking the windows to jump out of the building.

schestowitz__

hi, AVRS, wb

DaemonFC[m]

Jesus...

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: Are you seeing this?

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

what is it?

schestowitz__

sounds serious

schestowitz__

"Trump supporter"

AVRS

schestowitz__

Not a positive term

DaemonFC[m]

They stormed the House and Senate buildings and briefly occupied them, chasing Congress out while they were counting the electoral votes.

schestowitz__

emember "Brownshirts"?

schestowitz__

I'm thinking redhats

DaemonFC[m]

Trump refused to activate the National Guard.

schestowitz__

people with red hats

DaemonFC[m]

He left the DC Metro and Capitol Police to deal with them with their riot gear.

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: good luck with your democracy LOL

DaemonFC[m]

Virtually all Republicans in Congress are issuing statements condemning Trump for this.

DaemonFC[m]

Like they don't want to be held responsible for their part, you know.

schestowitz__

face-saving

schestowitz__

they say what happened in Georgia

DaemonFC[m]

Because order will be restored and they're hoping to get out of this without being labeled a criminal organization.

schestowitz__

when people associate GOP with "new KKK"

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schestowitz__

*they see

https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19811965

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: GOP is the new KKK. #senate #congress #fascism #trump #FARright

DaemonFC[m]

Peaceful protest is the right of every American but this attack on our Capitol will not be tolerated and those involved will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

DaemonFC[m]

— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) January 6, 2021

https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19811975

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: This is really embarrassing for Pence because he'll never be able to run for president being tied to THIS.

Jan 06 20:47

schestowitz__

Jan 06 20:47

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: No wonder #germany and #merkel befriend #china and #russia ... it's not like #trumpland has the upper hands on morality/ethics anymore...

Jan 06 20:47

schestowitz__

DaemonFC[m]: they incited violence

schestowitz__

they got violence

MinceR

Thunderdome, Twitler vs Pants when?

schestowitz__

now the media will pick up all the "tweets"

schestowitz__

and it won't be pretty

MinceR

two men enter! one man leaves!

DaemonFC[m]

"Ivanka Trump calls rioters "patriots," then deletes tweet"

MinceR

lol

DaemonFC[m]

5 min ago

DaemonFC[m]

White House: Trump has directed National Guard and other "federal protective services" to respond to riot

DaemonFC[m]

Time for an ass kicking..... :)

https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19811997

schestowitz__

oh, wow

Jan 06 20:50

schestowitz__

arrest them

Jan 06 20:50

schestowitz__

the incitement

Jan 06 20:50

schestowitz__

Jan 06 20:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So tonight we have it; not only Donald #trump but also his family members and his party members should be arrested for #sedition and inciting violence. The world is waiting and watching.

Jan 06 20:51

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz__: Governor Northam of Virginia is sending over 200 state police officers and military police from the National Guard to DC to deal with the rioters.

CrystalMath

eh, Trump insisted that they need to stay peaceful

schestowitz__

lol

schestowitz__

no, he did not

schestowitz__

he's using dog whistles

schestowitz__

I saw references to what he had said

schestowitz__

and other GOP members

schestowitz__

clearly calling for violence

schestowitz__

(if need be)

CrystalMath

then why did he send the national guard?

schestowitz__

they should be arrestd

schestowitz__

it's part of a pattern now

schestowitz__

[20:43] <DaemonFC[m]> Trump refused to activate the National Guard.

schestowitz__

WH is lying

schestowitz__

WH is Trump

schestowitz__

face-saving statement I reckon

schestowitz__

like the daughter he wants to shag deleting her tweet

schestowitz__

they realise they are under investigation

schestowitz__

and will be held accountable

schestowitz__

because daddy is going to be a citizen in two weeks

schestowitz__

he's already investigated for blackmail in Georgia

schestowitz__

the US is finished

schestowitz__

the world won't forget things like these

schestowitz__

They can throw a few more trillions to share up their tech and oil giants

schestowitz__

and then go bankrupt

schestowitz__

*shore up

CrystalMath

i just want the US's interventionism to end

CrystalMath

they should continue to live

MinceR

if the US ends, so does its interventionism :>

schestowitz__

they can barely

schestowitz__

too much debt

schestowitz__

and brain drain

schestowitz__

China will pick up where they left off

schestowitz__

not that China is good

CrystalMath

i'm hoping for Planet Russia

schestowitz__

With nukes in Guam USSA will become another collapsed Soviet Union

schestowitz__

Oligarchs, poverty, nukes

CrystalMath

the third planet in the solar system - planet Russia

schestowitz__

some "dream"

https://truthout.org/articles/scottish-head-of-government-says-trump-cannot-visit-during-bidens-inauguration/

schestowitz__

Jan 06 20:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Scotland's Head of Govt. Says Trump Cannot Visit During Biden's Inauguration

Jan 06 20:57

schestowitz__

The US lacks leverage

schestowitz__

except rogue nations

schestowitz__

even those might be posturing at best

schestowitz__

like ph and nk

schestowitz__

many national leaders are too polite or afraid to say what they thing

schestowitz__

it's easier to berate some small and meaningless country

schestowitz__

and they're afraid of CIA or similar working to destroy their political career if they speak out

https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/01/05/putin-and-merkel-discuss-joint-production-of-coronavirus-vaccine

schestowitz__

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schestowitz__

The Germany company that works with Moderna seems not to interest her

schestowitz__

she speaks Russian

schestowitz__

and she sees it (perhaps) as "just as bad" as Orange One

schestowitz__

Germany also refused to ban Chinese firms

schestowitz__

defying the US and 5EYES directions

schestowitz__

and getting closer to china as tech partner

schestowitz__

you will see more of that across eu/europe

schestowitz__

france is re-imposing tech tax on US giants

Jan 06 21:02

schestowitz__

because france is looking to remove those US Army-sponsored espionage vectors

Jan 06 21:02

CrystalMath

maybe i was wrong and the US was better

Jan 06 21:04

CrystalMath

but nobody could stop this

CrystalMath

what dog whistle were you talking about?

schestowitz__

Fostering radical ideologies and conspiracy nuts did that

schestowitz__

This is GOP

schestowitz__

All GOP

schestowitz__

for all I can see

schestowitz__

and their allies further to the right

https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19812115

schestowitz__

Jan 06 21:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When are the #TravelBans on US Republicans due? Across #europe ....

Jan 06 21:07

schestowitz__

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-55558355

Jan 06 21:19

schestowitz__

stay classy, ussa

Jan 06 21:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Violence engulfs US Capitol as Trump supporters run riot - BBC News

Jan 06 21:19

schestowitz__

"It's not a protest, it's an insurrection," Biden says, asking Donald Trump to "step up", go on television and "demand an end to this siege".

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2021/1/6/2133a6a5-36d4-4858-92cf-69db83f5a0bf.jpg

schestowitz__

schestowitz__

look at this dude

schestowitz__

wtf

schestowitz__

foaming at the mouth

schestowitz__

lol

XRevan86

Why is there always a dude like that at Trump-ist protests?

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1346928882595885058

CrystalMath

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@realDonaldTrump: https://t.co/Pm2PKV0Fp3

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@realDonaldTrump: https://t.co/Pm2PKV0Fp3

CrystalMath

Trump directly tells his supporters to go home

XRevan86

but still says that the election was stolen

CrystalMath

maybe it was

Jan 06 21:22

XRevan86

"based on a rumour"

Jan 06 21:22

XRevan86

pretty much Trump's words

Jan 06 21:22

schestowitz__

I put this photo in http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/linux-mint-20-1/

Jan 06 21:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 6/1/2021: Linux Mint 20.1 “Ulyssa” Released, Violent Insurrection in the United States | Techrights

Jan 06 21:23

schestowitz__

just because...

Jan 06 21:23

schestowitz__

Trump has long had a violence fetish

schestowitz__

this has been well documented

schestowitz__

even showing himself (fake) beating people up

schestowitz__

the US name is tarnished

schestowitz__

Biden won't change that

schestowitz__

he can try

XRevan86

Trump is an "ends justify the means" kind of person.

Jan 06 21:25

XRevan86

CrystalMath: After all this time there are still no credible specifics, either there's a giant conspiracy or Trump is full of shit.

Jan 06 21:27

XRevan86

Both scenarios could be true, but one is a lot more likely than the other.

Jan 06 21:27

schestowitz__

The world is messed up

Jan 06 21:29

schestowitz__

even without covid

Jan 06 21:29

schestowitz__

not sure what comes next tbh

Jan 06 21:29

schestowitz__

biden will inherit massive debt, starvation salaries (if any) and lots of right-wing nuts infesting his country, emboldened by a mafia family

Jan 06 21:30

schestowitz__

so glad I'm far away from there

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Jan 06 21:37

schestowitz__

1000+ covid-related or linked deaths here today

Jan 06 21:49

schestowitz__

our politicians don't incite violence, just racism

Jan 06 21:49

schestowitz__

and dealt so poorly with this virus

Jan 06 21:49

schestowitz__

now they want us to think a trial of some vaccine will save us

Jan 06 21:50

schestowitz__

but lock everything down, so clearly they too lack the confidence

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Techrights-sec

the orange one facilitated an attack on the US government

Techrights-sec

the coup has turned violent

https://text.npr.org/954028436

Techrights-sec

https://text.npr.org/952417689

Techrights-sec

https://text.npr.org/954063529

Techrights-sec

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | U.S. Capitol In Chaos As Pro-Trump Extremists Breach Building

Techrights-sec

This does not "border on sedition" it /is/ sedition

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | Jon Ossoff Wins Georgia Runoff, Handing Democrats Senate Control

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | Biden: Democracy 'Under Unprecedented Assault' As Pro-Trump Extremists Occupy Capitol

Techrights-sec

It /is/ a violent, anti-democracy coup

CrystalMath

one day you will realize that there CANNOT be democracy with voting by mail

CrystalMath

i'm not saying this is democracy, but still, voting by mail has to be banned

CrystalMath

the people who want it aren't real "democrats", they don't want democracy

CrystalMath

they want a dictatorship

https://explosm.net/comics/138/

CrystalMath

my reasoning is that as long as someone can prove they voted for someone, they can be paid or coerced to vote for someone and provide said proof

Jan 06 22:17

MinceR

yes, banning voting by mail would have made it impossible for Bunker Bitch's fan club to start a civil war.

Jan 06 22:18

MinceR

06 231538 < CrystalMath> the people who want it aren't real "democrats", they don't want democracy

Jan 06 22:18

MinceR

good thing that the people who admire and worship putin do want democracy

Jan 06 22:19

MinceR

because that's what russia is, right?

Jan 06 22:19

XRevan86

It's quantum just as everything in Russian political discourse.

Jan 06 22:20

MinceR

Jan 06 22:20

MinceR

Jan 06 22:25

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Jan 06 22:25

schestowitz__

insurrection is not democracy

schestowitz__

anyway...

schestowitz__

poor argument there ^

CrystalMath

i'm not talking at all about the event

schestowitz__

incoherent and inconsistent

CrystalMath

that is happening now

schestowitz__

the bigger issue is voting machines

schestowitz__

more so with proprietary s/w

schestowitz__

even if they ran freesw it would still be problematic

CrystalMath

oh, definitely

schestowitz__

paper is better

CrystalMath

i agree

CrystalMath

but also we need to limit people from proving they voted for X

schestowitz__

it's usually people who don't get tech

schestowitz__

who compensate for it

schestowitz__

by overusing it

schestowitz__

like "digital" payments

schestowitz__

"I'm smart"

schestowitz__

"I use tech"

schestowitz__

usually those most resistant to that are techies

MinceR

"i'm almost as smart as my smart doorbell"

CrystalMath

https://explosm.net/comics/143/

schestowitz__

smut door

Jan 06 22:38

schestowitz__

"ooooh baby"

Jan 06 22:39

MinceR

Jan 06 22:39

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Jan 06 22:39

schestowitz__

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezrOvXlyasQ

Jan 06 22:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BREAKING: Biden condemns 'extremists' and calls for end to 'insurrection' at US Capitol - YouTube

Jan 06 22:45

schestowitz__

http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146207

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Run your own Open-source Trello Alternative with Wekan | Tux Machines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdBt0Ta6028

schestowitz__

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BREAKING: US Capitol building is in lockdown as Trump supporters clash with police - YouTube