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XRevan86MinceR: funny?Oct 06 00:05
MinceRyesOct 06 00:06
XRevan86If you saw so.Oct 06 00:06
XRevan86sayOct 06 00:06
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/689083.jpgOct 06 00:11
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schestowitz>> Apparently, Debian's "Free Software Guidelines" are fine with a shimOct 06 00:56
schestowitz> binary signed by Microsoft, but not an SNES emulator with a "noOct 06 00:56
schestowitz> commercial use" clause.Oct 06 00:56
schestowitz> Oct 06 00:56
schestowitz> Neither should be considered "Free as in Freedom" though he's right thatOct 06 00:56
schestowitz> Debian is inconsistent about this.Oct 06 00:56
schestowitz> Nobody take this the wrong way, but the silliest thing I read this weekOct 06 00:57
schestowitz> was someone wishing the FSF a happy birthday.Oct 06 00:57
schestowitz> Oct 06 00:57
schestowitz>  1. What's happy about it?Oct 06 00:57
schestowitz> Oct 06 00:57
schestowitz> 2. Was rms invited?Oct 06 00:57
schestowitz> Oct 06 00:57
schestowitz> I almost didn't mention it, but then question 1 is rhetorical. IOct 06 00:57
schestowitz> actually want to know the answer to question 2. Probably nobody knows orOct 06 00:57
schestowitz> nobody says, so it's rhetorical in the sense that we probably won'tOct 06 00:57
schestowitz> know. But we might find out, and I want to.Oct 06 00:57
schestowitzThey now sell T-Shirts about it!!!Oct 06 00:57
schestowitz"Dumb, Restrictive Microsoft"Oct 06 00:58
MinceR:)Oct 06 01:14
MinceR(cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/03/58f45cf7f27543a3.jpgOct 06 02:01
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schestowitzchaekyung: re your mesa pieceOct 06 10:48
schestowitzsee http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/Oct 06 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | TechrightsOct 06 10:48
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DaemonFC[m]Okay, I have to go down to the post office and figure out what's going on with Mandy's EAD before they send it back to the government.Oct 06 13:44
DaemonFC[m]Might be nothing.Oct 06 13:44
DaemonFC[m]They use random "non-delivery" codes sometimes so that it's "not late" lately.Oct 06 13:44
DaemonFC[m]This is fucking terrible. It's sending people into full panic because it's immigration documents, heart medicine, who knows what.Oct 06 13:45
DaemonFC[m]And it just say "Herp derp. There was an incomplete address on this and we might send it back if we can't figure it out.".Oct 06 13:45
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/689167.jpgOct 06 13:47
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yeah, that's why I have to wear a mouth guard when I'm sleeping.Oct 06 14:01
DaemonFC[m]It's probably sleep apnea, but I can't afford ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS to go get it checked out. Oct 06 14:01
DaemonFC[m]Too busy paying the hospital bills of everyone my "president" walks around infecting while he still won't put on a mask.Oct 06 14:01
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's okay that Trump pays less tax to the feds than a Walmart worker on a cash register job.Oct 06 14:03
DaemonFC[m]He pays "lots and lots of state taxes" you see.Oct 06 14:03
DaemonFC[m]Of course, nobody can verify that because nobody has his New York returns, only the federal ones that show that he paid less than $100 on an average year over the past 16 years.Oct 06 14:03
MinceRpeople should ignore that claim until he proves itOct 06 14:04
MinceRhe's been caught orange-handed already, there's no need to be naiveOct 06 14:04
DaemonFC[m]The guy's such a deadbeat he even figured out how to screw the IRS and walk away.Oct 06 14:04
DaemonFC[m]I'm impressed on a certain level.Oct 06 14:05
DaemonFC[m]To most people you worry about the IRS, the state tax department, your landlord, and then your unsecured creditors in roughly that order.Oct 06 14:06
DaemonFC[m]Because you have to have a place to live and the tax people will get it all from you somehow.Oct 06 14:06
DaemonFC[m]The rest can just annoy you until you file bankruptcy.Oct 06 14:06
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/689121.jpgOct 06 14:14
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thddxtoday on the radio, i heard a trumpeteer describe him as a 'stud' after witnessing his swift 'recovery'Oct 06 15:18
MinceRlolOct 06 15:19
thddxit's amazing how differently people can perceive the worldOct 06 15:20
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thddxhedonistic feedback loops and unresolved pathologies constraining perspectiveOct 06 15:22
MinceRcults and cognitive dissonanceOct 06 15:23
thddxit's frustrating because it's all so preventableOct 06 15:29
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MinceRis it?Oct 06 15:34
MinceRhumans seem to be very vulnerable to memesOct 06 15:34
_I3^RELATIVISMhttps://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-roadmap/Oct 06 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hyperbola.info | Hyperbola - News: Announcing HyperbolaBSD RoadmapOct 06 15:35
_I3^RELATIVISMnice projectOct 06 15:35
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DaemonFC[m]So the people at the post office put Mandy's EAD back in the outgoing mail.Oct 06 15:51
DaemonFC[m]It went to the Distribution Center in Palatine. Oct 06 15:52
DaemonFC[m]And they're telling me there's nothing wrong with the address and so they're going to send it back to the post office for delivery. Oct 06 15:52
smnthermesOpenBSD also has a monolithic kernel, soOct 06 15:52
_I3^RELATIVISM?Oct 06 15:53
MinceRhttps://refraction.network/Oct 06 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-refraction.network | Refraction NetworkingOct 06 15:54
MinceR(cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/02/6dbf7ea28e159c38.jpgOct 06 16:24
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schestowitz[15:52] <DaemonFC[m]> And they're telling me there's nothing wrong with the address and so they're going to send it back to the post office for delivery. Oct 06 17:10
schestowitzcould be worseOct 06 17:10
schestowitzunmarked van could snatch your busbandOct 06 17:10
schestowitz*husOct 06 17:10
DaemonFC[m]That's not funny.Oct 06 17:11
schestowitzI didn't say itOct 06 17:11
schestowitzI didn't say it wasOct 06 17:11
schestowitzIn times of autocracy satire becomes unfunnyOct 06 17:12
schestowitzbut tbh you could find a way to pick up the EADOct 06 17:12
schestowitzeasier then to pick up a grown man with vigilante "border control"Oct 06 17:12
schestowitz*thenOct 06 17:12
schestowitz*>thanOct 06 17:12
schestowitzthese thugs would more likely send your home an IED than an EADOct 06 17:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: We have to get out of this motel.Oct 06 17:16
DaemonFC[m]The price went up and now it's getting more dangerous.Oct 06 17:16
DaemonFC[m]Someone smashed up the glass on the fire extinguisher case last night and there's fucking glass everywhere. Then they went up to the third floor and busted a window out.Oct 06 17:16
DaemonFC[m]That's the fourth window in 3 months.Oct 06 17:17
schestowitzhmmm..Oct 06 17:18
schestowitzmaybe it's time to move on thenOct 06 17:18
schestowitzless safety, higher costOct 06 17:18
smnthermeshttps://old.reddit.com/user/CAP_NAME_NOW_UPVOTEOct 06 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old.reddit.com | overview for CAP_NAME_NOW_UPVOTEOct 06 17:18
DaemonFC[m]I'd kind of like to move out before it's ours.Oct 06 17:18
DaemonFC[m]Yep.Oct 06 17:18
smnthermesThat guy is moderator of so many tech subredditsOct 06 17:18
smnthermesWeirdOct 06 17:18
schestowitzis that you, smnthermes?Oct 06 17:18
schestowitzI saw this name beforeOct 06 17:18
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If it was just one or the other maybe I wouldn't be itching to leave so quickly.Oct 06 17:18
schestowitzin privacy forumsOct 06 17:18
DaemonFC[m]I put in an application for an apartment yesterday. She said if we don't meet the credit requirements, it's just going to be a bigger deposit. Oct 06 17:19
DaemonFC[m]That's fine.Oct 06 17:19
schestowitzokOct 06 17:19
DaemonFC[m]But I had to admit on the form that I have an arrest record and a bankruptcy. So who knows.Oct 06 17:19
schestowitzdependsOct 06 17:19
schestowitzmaybe not much competitionOct 06 17:19
DaemonFC[m]Both of them would come up anyway so there's no sense in trying to lie about it.Oct 06 17:19
DaemonFC[m]She didn't seem to imply that a Class C Misdemeanor is a big deal.Oct 06 17:20
schestowitz[13:45] <DaemonFC[m]> This is fucking terrible. It's sending people into full panic because it's immigration documents, heart medicine, who knows what.Oct 06 17:22
schestowitzMight not be suggestive of anythingOct 06 17:22
schestowitzif intentional, report it to a site like ProPublicaOct 06 17:22
schestowitzThey'd make a good story out of itOct 06 17:22
schestowitzthey cover those usps scandals and immigration wars very wellOct 06 17:22
schestowitzand issue calls for other people who had similar experiences to corroborate patternsOct 06 17:23
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DaemonFC[m]I set my credit card to make an automatic payment of the minimum due each month. That way it's impossible to get a late payment even though I can still make a payment every day.Oct 06 17:49
DaemonFC[m]It dawned on me that you really don't want to slip up here or there's no point in trying to rebuild.Oct 06 17:49
schestowitzelection soonOct 06 17:53
schestowitzhell will break loose afterwardsOct 06 17:53
schestowitzMORE so if orange dotard loses both popular and electoralOct 06 17:54
schestowitzI mean, expect some violenceOct 06 17:54
DaemonFC[m]Oh, I might go up there and ask them to cancel my mail in ballot and let me vote in person.Oct 06 17:56
DaemonFC[m]The post office still hasn't delivered it.Oct 06 17:56
DaemonFC[m]It's been 10 business days.Oct 06 17:57
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The clerk's office was pretty annoyed that people were requesting mail in ballots and then asking to sign the affidavit that they hadn't arrived in a reasonable amount of time on the very first day of early voting.Oct 06 17:58
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DaemonFC[m]I get that. But what kind of mail takes 10 business days and it's still not there?Oct 06 17:58
DaemonFC[m]I simply don't trust the post office anymore.Oct 06 17:59
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I think I'll go ask for the affidavit that the post office is taking too long.Oct 06 17:59
DaemonFC[m]If the ballot does arrive, you're supposed to destroy it because it's invalid and trying to vote twice is a felony.Oct 06 17:59
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schestowitzthe idea is to sabotage the electiobOct 06 18:01
schestowitzthen people on either side get angryOct 06 18:01
schestowitzinauguration day postponedOct 06 18:01
schestowitzit goes to courtOct 06 18:01
schestowitztrump meanwhile stirs up national chaosOct 06 18:01
schestowitzand scotus says trump can stay while chaos distracts from outrage over itOct 06 18:02
schestowitzhe was never supposed to be inaugurated in the first placeOct 06 18:02
DaemonFC[m]With what the post office is turned into I don't trust them as far as I could throw the post office itself.Oct 06 18:02
schestowitztreason all across the board in 2016Oct 06 18:02
schestowitzlots of opportunistic useful idiots... not for putin only... for oligarchs. They got a LOT richer sense.Oct 06 18:03
schestowitz*sinceOct 06 18:03
schestowitzPost Office will shut down until ALL stamps have Trump's face on em ;-)Oct 06 18:03
schestowitzWinnie the POOP DotardOct 06 18:04
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DaemonFC[m]I'm walking to the courthouse. Oct 06 18:24
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DaemonFC[m]They make you pay to park anywher close.Oct 06 18:25
DaemonFC[m]I could use the walk, honestly.Oct 06 18:25
scientesI haven't written code in quite a while, and I don't really know what to write.Oct 06 18:27
scientesall my ideas were always "fast, fast, fast, fast"Oct 06 18:27
scientesI guess writting an implementation of regular expressions would still be interestingOct 06 18:28
scientesgetting the data structures rightOct 06 18:28
scientesand not implementing non-regular expressionsOct 06 18:28
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scientesI still have a bit of affinity for the zig project, but I don't think they will ever take C code into their project despite being very similarOct 06 18:31
scientesyeah, I can only really implement regular expressionsOct 06 18:34
scientesbecause otherwise my premature optimization hat turns onOct 06 18:35
schestowitzare you still coding gnu gcc stuff?Oct 06 18:44
schestowitzit moved to git some months backOct 06 18:44
schestowitziirc, esr was deeply involved in thisOct 06 18:44
schestowitzfor years in factOct 06 18:44
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scientesBut considering that the Bolshevicks are coming I don't think it is a good time for proving such skills https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-bolsheviks-are-coming-part-i.htmlOct 06 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cluborlov.blogspot.com | ClubOrlov: The Bolsheviks Are Coming! (Part I)Oct 06 19:10
scientesschestowitz, I did come contribution to glibc, otherwise I have only worked on llvm compilerOct 06 19:10
schestowitzok, cool, scientesOct 06 19:11
schestowitzbtwOct 06 19:11
scientesschestowitz, ESR maintains gpsdOct 06 19:11
schestowitztoday at the gym I tried accessing the videos you postedOct 06 19:11
schestowitzthe vimeo one would not workOct 06 19:11
schestowitzold android on some exercise machineOct 06 19:11
scientesregion-blocked?Oct 06 19:11
schestowitzmaybe plugin issueOct 06 19:11
scientespre-<Video> probablyOct 06 19:12
schestowitzthe one of youtube is blockedOct 06 19:12
schestowitzunless you sign inOct 06 19:12
scientesyeah that's why i posted the vimeoOct 06 19:12
schestowitzsays it might hurt my feelings otherwise :0)Oct 06 19:12
schestowitzyoutube protecting people... from singersOct 06 19:12
schestowitz[15:42] <scientes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeMvUlxXyz8Oct 06 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-M.I.A. - Born Free - YouTubeOct 06 19:13
schestowitz[15:42] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- M.I.A. - Born Free - YouTubeOct 06 19:13
schestowitzthis oneOct 06 19:13
schestowitzas if it's nsfwOct 06 19:13
scientesyeah, using youtube-dl it appears that vimeo only has avc1 and DASHOct 06 19:13
schestowitzI never saw that in such a contextOct 06 19:13
schestowitznothing "graphical" about itOct 06 19:14
scienteswhich is actually pretty crazy that they wouldn't even have vp8Oct 06 19:14
scientesor even h.264Oct 06 19:14
scientesschestowitz, so even if it did play, it wouldn't play cause software decoding of avc1 is *horrible*Oct 06 19:15
scientesthat decision on vimeo's part needs you need super recent hardware to play their videosOct 06 19:15
scientesthe biggest reason that h.264 ended up winning is because of hardware decode over vp8 (although google is forcing the manufactures to include vp8 hardware decode)Oct 06 19:16
schestowitzweb video was badOct 06 19:16
schestowitzwindows media playerOct 06 19:16
schestowitzthan a bit betterOct 06 19:16
schestowitznow worse againOct 06 19:16
schestowitzfirst flashOct 06 19:16
schestowitznow eme/drmOct 06 19:16
schestowitzand now lots of bloat and indecent system reqsOct 06 19:17
schestowitzso many things that used to work no longer doOct 06 19:17
scientesand MPEG-LA is a horrible mafiaa that also tries to discourage people from working on codec improvementOct 06 19:17
XRevan86> You also find that the US has fallen far behind both Russia and China in weapons development, to a point where most of what the US has is obsolete and completely useless.Oct 06 19:17
schestowitzin chrome the videos auto-pause when you move to another tab, unless it's a youtube antifeatureOct 06 19:17
XRevan86scientes: hahaOct 06 19:17
schestowitzso video is not getting BETTER for the USERSOct 06 19:17
schestowitzbut for CONTENT [sic] OWNERS [sic]Oct 06 19:18
schestowitzcopyright cartelOct 06 19:18
scientesschestowitz, also firefox on android will unload your tab while the video plays, just because you are using another tabOct 06 19:18
schestowitzXRevan86: all they need is nukes nowOct 06 19:18
scientesand you can't turn it off in about:config unless you get the beta versionOct 06 19:18
schestowitzany weapon you can make will never be as good as h-bombs or newerOct 06 19:18
schestowitzeven MOAB is like a jokeOct 06 19:18
scientesbecause firefox disabled about:config in release firefoxOct 06 19:18
schestowitzyou can use mini-nukes insteadOct 06 19:18
scientesschestowitz, dude a mini-nuke is a oxymoronOct 06 19:19
schestowitzbut then it's not "convential" and you get bad name for cancer nearby for years to comesOct 06 19:19
scientesthe nukes that were dropped on japan are basically "mini-nukes"Oct 06 19:19
schestowitzlike anti-tank missiles with enriched cancer-causing crap (to penetrate the shell)Oct 06 19:19
scientesand they are not in the slightest big "mini"Oct 06 19:19
scientes*bitOct 06 19:19
schestowitzyou can go smallerOct 06 19:20
schestowitzbutOct 06 19:20
scientesXRevan86, oh, I was actually referring to part IIOct 06 19:20
schestowitznot sure if the thing that sets of the chain reaction can be made small enoughOct 06 19:20
scientesthe part about people selling miricle curesOct 06 19:20
scientesand the cows being reprogrammed to produce soy milkOct 06 19:20
XRevan86scientes: I cannot take this piece seriously.Oct 06 19:21
schestowitzpain-free 'safe' milkOct 06 19:21
schestowitzthere's no soy milk by the wayOct 06 19:21
schestowitzit's soy drinkOct 06 19:21
schestowitzthe plants don't lactateOct 06 19:21
scientes> There will be free health care, free education, open borders and a guaranteed income for all. And Modern Monetary Theory will pay for all of it. In the process, greenhouse gas emissions, cow farts and all, will completely disappear; hot air exhaled by politicians will contain only noble gases; cows will be reprogrammed to produce soy milk. With help from magic elves, cars will be powered by wind generators and solar panels. Chains of Oct 06 19:21
scientestradition shall be rent asunder and a perfect new world shall be born full of racial and gender equality and guaranteed positive outcomes for everyone. Being well versed in history, you do not have to think too hard about what this new political movement should be called: Bolshevism. And since you already know how that story ends, you climb back into your freezer chest to wait things out. Oct 06 19:21
scientesthat is the part that related to meOct 06 19:21
scientesXRevan86, its irrelevent if you live in somewhere with sane peopleOct 06 19:22
schestowitzwater+sufar+falavoring+some soy and additiveOct 06 19:22
schestowitz*sugarOct 06 19:22
schestowitzor other sweetening agents (some don't have any, but the soy drink is then very bland)Oct 06 19:22
scientes>  With help from magic elves, cars will be powered by wind generators and solar panels.Oct 06 19:22
scienteslike this is how people actually think in the USOct 06 19:23
scientesand they usually are the ones with the trust funds from their parentsOct 06 19:23
schestowitzthey think?Oct 06 19:23
schestowitz"I have debt, but my ma has a house"Oct 06 19:23
scientesschestowitz, yes they do, but you see, cognative dissonance takes its tolllOct 06 19:23
schestowitzwait till the economy crashes absolutely and those homes too are reverse-mortgagedOct 06 19:23
scientesespecially ont he trust fund babiesOct 06 19:23
scientesevery else is just suppose to roll over and dieOct 06 19:24
schestowitzand when "ma" died you need to pay for her funeralOct 06 19:24
schestowitzwhile the bank repossesses 'her' homeOct 06 19:24
scientes<schestowitz> and when "ma" died you need to pay for her funeralOct 06 19:24
scientesit's illegal to just bury her in the back yard, tooOct 06 19:24
schestowitzTrumpCareOct 06 19:24
schestowitzI kill half a million with COVIDOct 06 19:24
schestowitzand I "care"Oct 06 19:24
schestowitzunlike Obama, I give burial site spaceOct 06 19:25
scientesI've read whole books that just cover how much of a racket the death business isOct 06 19:25
schestowitzObamaCare=keeps the poor alive sometimesOct 06 19:25
scientesit would be cheaper to hire people to kill them that to give them the government-mandated funeralOct 06 19:25
XRevan86https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-novichok-spa-treatment.html for Pete's sakeOct 06 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cluborlov.blogspot.com | ClubOrlov: The Novichok Spa TreatmentOct 06 19:25
schestowitzTrumpCare=takes the corpse out of your apartment free of charge, "and good luck with the covid you got from this dead one"Oct 06 19:25
MinceR(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=843y5u2pFOsOct 06 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EVERY EXTERMINATE! - Doctor Who Supercut - YouTubeOct 06 19:25
XRevan86"The intended use of Novichok is to instantly kill everyone around." – that's why the actual intended use is to apply it to very personal belongingsOct 06 19:26
XRevan86which in Navalny's case disappeared in an unknown directionOct 06 19:26
scientesthey did do the "chemical weapons!" thing on GaddafiOct 06 19:27
scientesand as usually, smart people all knew they were lying, againOct 06 19:27
XRevan86Pieskov said stuff like "they took the water bottle from the hotel!"Oct 06 19:27
scientesthere certainly was some people killed in protestsOct 06 19:27
XRevan86but Navalny's clothes were just pushed under the rugOct 06 19:27
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qBlPa-9v_MOct 06 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Futurama - Bender's Dream (Kill All Humans) - YouTubeOct 06 19:28
XRevan86> Novichok is an unstable gasOct 06 19:29
XRevan86it can be used as a powderOct 06 19:29
XRevan86what a competent personOct 06 19:29
scientesyes, I agree that is similar to the annoying anthrax stuffOct 06 19:29
XRevan86*and* Novichok is a loosely connected series of various chemicals, not a single thingOct 06 19:30
scientesXRevan86, I just looked up that it is a acytacholine blockerOct 06 19:30
scientesand then I didn't really care to learn any mroeOct 06 19:30
XRevan86> Given all the perfectly reasonable and reliable ways to kill a person, why on Earth would anyone even bother to do that?Oct 06 19:31
XRevan86*very* simple: it's more sneaky than shooting a guyOct 06 19:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142922 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7ef0de19-f04f-4115-9a89-1916d2fd0ace]Oct 06 19:32
XRevan86Niemtsov was shot on a bridge near Kremlin, yet everyone's still unhappyOct 06 19:32
XRevan86it's not a chemical, what else could you possibly want, you picky bastardsOct 06 19:32
XRevan86> is to instantly kill everyone around.Oct 06 19:33
XRevan86Also… not instantly.Oct 06 19:33
XRevan86depends on the dosage and the way it got into the organismOct 06 19:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel: Intel and Google http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142923 [https://pleroma.site/objects/257072b8-8fa5-439a-9802-a80f4cc89a4d]Oct 06 19:35
XRevan86scientes: Why do you read Club Orlov? He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.Oct 06 19:37
XRevan86and these are very serious topicsOct 06 19:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142924 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9d3ad2ae-5d84-4782-9171-2f44038f4c1b]Oct 06 19:38
XRevan86I'd be more forgiving if he had given a room for being mistaken.Oct 06 19:39
XRevan86Media like Meduza ran like crazy to find experts in the field, to give coverage about what actually happened. And Orlov is like oh, I'm sure it's just a gas with only one way to apply it and everyone competent is lyingOct 06 19:42
scientesMeduza......Oct 06 19:43
scientes(although I admit I am reading it in English)Oct 06 19:43
scienteshttps://meduza.io/en/news/2020/10/06/kyrgyzstan-s-prime-minster-steps-down-is-replaced-by-dissident-freed-from-prison-just-hours-earlierOct 06 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLEOct 06 19:43
scienteswhat the hellOct 06 19:43
*scientes only read the headlineOct 06 19:43
schestowitzI will read it tomorrowOct 06 19:43
schestowitzon kateOct 06 19:43
XRevan86Kirgizia is revolting againOct 06 19:44
scienteswhat percentage of the population only speaks Russian?Oct 06 19:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 6/10/2020: Qt 6.0 Alpha, Platform Changes in elementary OS 6 http://techrights.org/2020/10/06/qt-6-0-alpha/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/7e9af14d-65a8-48d1-a066-4e879c9975cc]Oct 06 19:45
XRevan86scientes: I don't see information on that.Oct 06 19:46
XRevan86500000 people said it's their first language. How many of them know another language – who knows.Oct 06 19:47
scientesout of 18milOct 06 19:47
scientesok, not so muchOct 06 19:47
scientesoh, I just met one of themOct 06 19:48
scientesI was suprised that she did not know whot the uyghurs were, given that she lives close to themOct 06 19:48
XRevan86other minority languages comprise 135 861 peopleOct 06 19:48
scientesan educated Georgian I talked to know of themOct 06 19:48
XRevan86271 187 know Kyrgyzian as a second languageOct 06 19:48
XRevan86If assuming all the other ones know Kyrgyzian, then we're left with 135 326 peopleOct 06 19:49
scientesthat's close enoughOct 06 19:49
scienteshttps://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/30/unusual-even-for-russiaOct 06 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLEOct 06 19:50
scientesdoes Russia have a process to take children from parents?Oct 06 19:50
XRevan86But that's a big assumption.Oct 06 19:50
XRevan86scientes: Court can do that.Oct 06 19:51
scientesthat can be used for class warfareOct 06 19:51
scientesand Russia certainly has thatOct 06 19:51
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DaemonFC[m]I voted.Oct 06 19:57
schestowitzGo Greens!Oct 06 19:57
scienteshttps://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/22/russia-s-digital-development-ministry-wants-to-ban-the-latest-encryption-technologies-from-the-runetOct 06 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLEOct 06 19:57
schestowitzWell done, RyanOct 06 19:57
scientesbut what about stuff like thisOct 06 19:57
DaemonFC[m]Straight Democratic ticket, yes to the Illinois flat tax repeal, impeach the judges, and yes to all government consolidation. Oct 06 19:58
scientesoh, RuNetOct 06 19:58
scientesyeah I actually had some professional contact with the developer of that extension to the IETFOct 06 19:58
scientesJapaneese guyOct 06 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Illinois makes judges go up for a retention election. Oct 06 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Voters essentially impeach and remove if any fail to get 60% in favor of remaining on the bench.Oct 06 19:59
DaemonFC[m]One of them that I voted no on ended up losing his office. Oct 06 19:59
XRevan86DaemonFC[m] voted… presidental elections are now?Oct 06 19:59
DaemonFC[m]In Cook County in 2016.Oct 06 19:59
XRevan86or some other election?Oct 06 20:00
schestowitzXRevan86: by postOct 06 20:00
DaemonFC[m]CPD tortured a confession and the judge allowed it.Oct 06 20:00
schestowitz[19:58] <scientes> Japaneese guyOct 06 20:00
schestowitzSounds like something a Japanese judge would doOct 06 20:00
schestowitzthey've always been good at torturing peopleOct 06 20:00
schestowitzesp. foreign detaineesOct 06 20:01
schestowitzThe Japanese aren't widely known for their elitism and cruelty, it's a marketing success for themOct 06 20:01
DaemonFC[m]No, in person. Oct 06 20:01
schestowitzgeisha and tech country... with cherry blossomOct 06 20:01
schestowitzat least the 2020 Olympics punished them big time economicallyOct 06 20:02
DaemonFC[m]I gave up on the post office and just had them void that and let me vote in person. Oct 06 20:02
schestowitzkarma for the great whales, I supposeOct 06 20:02
DaemonFC[m]They agreed that 10 business days was an unreasonable amount of time.Oct 06 20:02
schestowitzspeak to propublicaOct 06 20:02
schestowitzabout uspsOct 06 20:02
schestowitzthey do stories about those things and need leadsOct 06 20:03
scientesXRevan86, and here I was thinking that Russia is progressive because it has toleration for domestic abuse claimsOct 06 20:03
scientesbut you just threw that theory out the windowOct 06 20:03
schestowitzlike journalistsOct 06 20:03
schestowitzout the windowOct 06 20:04
schestowitzand now doctorsOct 06 20:04
schestowitzwho speak about covid stuffOct 06 20:04
schestowitzhey, how about tossing them out of windows with windows handles laced with Novichok?Oct 06 20:04
schestowitz[just in case they survive the fall]Oct 06 20:04
MinceRlolOct 06 20:04
schestowitz*window handlesOct 06 20:05
DaemonFC[m]I mostly went to vote for Brad Schneider for House.Oct 06 20:05
schestowitzI don't trust SchneidersOct 06 20:05
schestowitzthey tend to be arrogant and pompousOct 06 20:05
XRevan86scientes: hm?Oct 06 20:06
DaemonFC[m]If Trump gets in again it's important that the Republicans don't pick up the House majority.Oct 06 20:06
DaemonFC[m]It can always get worse if they can go back to passing their legislation. Oct 06 20:07
DaemonFC[m]Right now Trump is twisting the law out of shape and some of his own judges aren't having it.Oct 06 20:07
DaemonFC[m]So relying on the courts is not ideal, but if the actual laws change then we won't even have that.Oct 06 20:07
schestowitzhttps://patentlyo.com/patent/2013/04/dont-write-this-letter-to-the-patent-office.htmlOct 06 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Don’t Write This Letter to the Patent Office | Patently-OOct 06 20:09
schestowitzAndrew SchroederOct 06 20:09
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2013/05/20/andrew-schroeder-intimidation/Oct 06 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Andrew Y. Schroeder Shows That Patent Lawyers Are Sociopaths | TechrightsOct 06 20:10
schestowitzhttps://ipethicslaw.com/uspto-suspends-attorney-for-six-months-for-derogatory-patent-filings/Oct 06 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipethicslaw.com | USPTO Suspends Attorney For Six Months For Derogatory Patent Filings - IPethics & INsightsOct 06 20:10
schestowitzwow, I didn't know they did thisOct 06 20:10
schestowitzlost in the news at the timeOct 06 20:11
schestowitz2013Oct 06 20:11
DaemonFC[m]I live in a swing House district. Oct 06 20:14
DaemonFC[m]My vote for that is maybe worth something. Oct 06 20:15
DaemonFC[m]It's plausible that it gets into recount territory for the House seat here.Oct 06 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Mom doesn't live in a swing district. In fact, the Republicans did a really bad gerrymander. Oct 06 20:17
DaemonFC[m]They have 67% of the vote going to the Republican. That's a big waste. They could have probably lopped some off and diluted the district around the Chicago area.Oct 06 20:17
scientesXRevan86, if you have to ask that question you just don't fucking get it. All the mob violence goes away when the police stop stirring the pot.Oct 06 20:19
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scientesAnd the police in Russia were exempted from the change in the retirement ageOct 06 20:41
DaemonFC[m]The police here usually retire when their pension maxes out.Oct 06 20:41
DaemonFC[m]I voted eliminate the Recorder of Deeds for Lake County. Oct 06 20:42
DaemonFC[m]I was like why is her salary $247,000?Oct 06 20:42
DaemonFC[m]The president only makes $400,000 salary and that's the president.Oct 06 20:42
scientesschestowitz, well Korea has quite a few Christians, which was not very successful in Japan---I wonder what the Yakuza's approach to Christians isOct 06 20:43
DaemonFC[m]Why do we have a person filing deeds and stuff in a county making $247,000 plus pension and government health insurance? Oct 06 20:43
DaemonFC[m]That is, in fact, $3 per year from each taxpayer over something we don't even need.Oct 06 20:44
DaemonFC[m]Especially in the middle of this budget mess and the pandemic I think we really need to dig deeper than eliminating her job, but it's what they asked. So I voted to get rid of her.Oct 06 20:44
DaemonFC[m]I voted for the Progressive Tax because everyone in opposition to it are millionaires and billionaires who have been raising my fucking rent and grocery bills anyway.Oct 06 20:45
scientesschestowitz, nice patent rantOct 06 20:46
scientesand that is actually a pretty cool inventionOct 06 20:46
DaemonFC[m]It's a wealth tax. It also raises the corporate rate to 7.99. That's almost 1 percentage point higher than now, and it mostly hits big banks and stuff.Oct 06 20:46
scienteshowever it wouldn't work because the force of the water coming out is strong, and tripods have very little support area and lie on very loose soilOct 06 20:46
DaemonFC[m]Of cpurse I favor a wealth tax. I'm not rich. I'll never be rich. If anything, they'll barely even notice it.Oct 06 20:47
DaemonFC[m]Ken Griffin spent $47 million opposing it. That's more than the tax increase would be for the rest of his life.Oct 06 20:47
DaemonFC[m]What's going on here?Oct 06 20:48
scientes> An explanatory note clarifies that the draft law refers to protocols that use the cryptographic algorithms and encryption methods TLS 1.3, ESNI, DNS over HTTPS, and DNS over TLS, which are “becoming increasingly common.”Oct 06 20:48
scientesnone of those are cryptographic algorithmsOct 06 20:48
MinceR:>Oct 06 20:48
scientesXRevan86, there you go on your accuracy thingOct 06 20:49
XRevan86scientes: ECH isOct 06 20:50
scientesthat article doesn't mention a single cryptographic algorithmOct 06 20:51
XRevan86kind ofOct 06 20:51
scientesit doesn't mention ECHOct 06 20:51
scientes(what is ECH?)Oct 06 20:51
XRevan86scientes: Encrypted Client HelloOct 06 20:51
scientesthat's not a cryptographic algorithmsOct 06 20:51
XRevan86scientes: It's a new name for ESNIOct 06 20:51
scientesthis is literally my job recentlyOct 06 20:51
scientesand as I said, I had personal contact with that japanese guy wro wrote the ESNI spec to IETFOct 06 20:52
XRevan86it's a way to encrypt parts of TLS negotiationOct 06 20:52
scientes*professional contactOct 06 20:52
scientesyeah, but nothing in that article talked about cryptographic algorithmsOct 06 20:52
XRevan86"O.K., but you can't encrypt parts of TLS" – isn't that just a bit like banning cryptographyOct 06 20:53
scientesas they have absolutely no interest in cryptographic algorithmsOct 06 20:53
scientesor in banning cryptographyOct 06 20:53
XRevan86Cryptography isn't banned, you just can't use it for certain things.Oct 06 20:53
XRevan86it's an important distinctionOct 06 20:54
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XRevan86scientes: So I get that you say that their terminology is flawed, but the issue they're covering is real at least.Oct 06 21:10
XRevan86Meanwhile, Orlov talked about military poisons like he's an expert.Oct 06 21:11
XRevan86while contradicting what the actual experts are sayingOct 06 21:14
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scientespsydroid, I was talking to you about how the beat of the heart---systolic/diastolic is immitated in pop music, sometimes with beat displacement---when I tried to find that in classical music I couldn'tOct 06 21:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142926 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a4def2fb-2189-4e42-9a7c-d0fe659af778]Oct 06 21:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142925 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ddbef415-cd7d-4dc5-b629-4dff16eb401a]Oct 06 21:23
XRevan86https://youtu.be/qtCJ9L7fIhs especially hereOct 06 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kraftwerk - Elektro Kardiogramm (live) [HD] - YouTubeOct 06 21:24
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Ariadnelooks like viera is a lot more stable in new DCOct 06 21:27
scientesXRevan86, actually not reallyOct 06 21:28
XRevan86scientes: I know, just kidding :)Oct 06 21:29
XRevan86can't get more heart-beaty than that thoughOct 06 21:29
scientesits actually offOct 06 21:29
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2_uxjALgdEOct 06 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-REAL HEART BEAT from 86 BPM to 274 BPM - might be disgusting ! - YouTubeOct 06 21:29
scientesgenerally its 1/16th beat displacementOct 06 21:30
scientesforward displacementOct 06 21:30
scientesso that 1/4 forward of where it is suppose to be, if they are quarter notesOct 06 21:30
XRevan86A pump sounds like a pump, how weird.Oct 06 21:31
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVk4vENObiIOct 06 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enrique Iglesias - Heartbeat (Official Music Video) ft. Nicole Scherzinger - YouTubeOct 06 21:32
scientesthat is not beat displacement, because it is even more explicitOct 06 21:32
XRevan86The tune is not badOct 06 21:34
XRevan86Junior's not that good a singer though.Oct 06 21:34
schestowitzAriadne: the hypervisor turns 2 just about nowOct 06 21:42
schestowitz(since you set it up)Oct 06 21:42
schestowitzI cannot remember any hv or network uptime/availability issues sinceOct 06 21:42
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chaekyungbest techrights articles on Software Freedom Conservancy? I did try searching alreadyOct 06 22:50

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