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GNUmoon2Not sure if this has already been seen here, but just heard M$ has updated it's patent from 2011 on monitoring "lazy" workers remotely.Dec 08 00:16
GNUmoon2 08 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft patents software that detects lazy employeesDec 08 00:16
GNUmoon2From 2011: 08 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Patents Idea for Monitoring Employee Work HabitsDec 08 00:16
GNUmoon2 08 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft software would detect, score and report obnoxious workplace habits - GeekWireDec 08 00:17
GNUmoon2Looks like MS started this "innovation" back in 2008.Dec 08 00:18
GNUmoon2 08 00:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft to Spy on Employees - SlashdotDec 08 00:18
psydroidMicrosoft has reinvented itself as The Spying Company, a.k.a. MicrospyDec 08 00:21
DaemonFC[m]I was hoping that more good than harm would come from IBM merging with Red Hat.Dec 08 01:24
DaemonFC[m]That they would have a bunch of money and more or less leave it alone.Dec 08 01:24
DaemonFC[m]Now they don't appear to be interested in a lot except keeping RHEL around in someone else's chains.Dec 08 01:24
DaemonFC[m]A virtual machine OS for "cloud".Dec 08 01:25
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of ridiculous that IBM, which has their roots in timesharing and mainframes, would seek to do this Hyper-V and Azure stuff.Dec 08 01:25
DaemonFC[m]You'd think that they could keep it in house and all the profits from the customers who are interested in using it like that.Dec 08 01:26
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: So I was reading over those messages that Maricel actually did send to Mandy last year just because I happened to see them. She was trying to say I was some kind of a loser who "could only read about the real life".Dec 08 01:27
DaemonFC[m]I assume that's some sort of an insult. I wonder how the Coronavirus has been treating them. Not just if they've had it, but what it's done. Nobody to dangle "the real life" (lots of debt) in front of.Dec 08 01:28
DaemonFC[m]At the looks of things, it doesn't actually take a hell of a lot of intelligence to be a nurse if 60% are saying they absolutely will not consider a Coronavirus vaccine.Dec 08 01:29
DaemonFC[m]If the medical profession is saying hard no, and the public in general is saying hard no, then the virus will just have to run its course.Dec 08 01:29
DaemonFC[m]Not just "We'll see what it does to the first people it gets provisioned to." but "Absolutely not. Ever.".Dec 08 01:29
DaemonFC[m]That's a little bit strong even for me.Dec 08 01:30
DaemonFC[m]I'd just have to see the numbers.Dec 08 01:30
MinceR08 022432 < DaemonFC[m]> That they would have a bunch of money and more or less leave it alone.Dec 08 01:30
MinceRthat's not "good"Dec 08 01:30
DaemonFC[m]But 200,000 new cases and 1,500 dead on a Monday?Dec 08 01:30
DaemonFC[m]That's not good. If those are Monday numbers, and Monday is usually the low point of the week as far as reporting....Dec 08 01:31
DaemonFC[m]We'll have some over 3,000 days this week.Dec 08 01:31
DaemonFC[m]Last Monday was the 30th, and we had 1,275 dead and 167,000 cases.Dec 08 01:32
DaemonFC[m]By Thursday is was 2,926 dead and 220,000 casesDec 08 01:33
DaemonFC[m]So this is going to be an absolutely horrible week.Dec 08 01:33
DaemonFC[m]By Thursday we may see 3,300 dead and over 250,000 casesDec 08 01:34
DaemonFC[m]I haven't been feeling too great today, honestly.Dec 08 01:34
DaemonFC[m]Fatigue, lightheadedness, a bit of a headache that comes and goes.Dec 08 01:35
DaemonFC[m]I've been feeling weird for the last week and a half though off and on, and I had been coughing.Dec 08 01:35
DaemonFC[m]I would say not sick so much as not feeling myself.Dec 08 01:36
DaemonFC[m]Even people who get diagnosed with it won't stay home as much as possible.Dec 08 01:37
DaemonFC[m]Because there's simply no way to not miss work. They stop getting their paycheck, they are SCREWED. So, yeah.Dec 08 01:37
DaemonFC[m]Everything that's been going on has been pretty much kabuki theater.Dec 08 01:38
DaemonFC[m]Not enough to mitigate, but definitely enough to mess up the economy.Dec 08 01:38
DaemonFC[m]I don't know. I tried to write this off as allergies or something, but right now I feel like I could just fall asleep and stay in bed the rest of the week.Dec 08 01:39
DaemonFC[m]Maybe that's not a bad idea.Dec 08 01:41
MinceR 08 01:44
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I hope it's not the CHINA VIRUS!Dec 08 01:46
DaemonFC[m]All seriousness though....Dec 08 01:46
MinceRa virus made of china? how curious.Dec 08 01:51
XRevan86fine chinaDec 08 01:52
MinceRextremely fineDec 08 01:57
DaemonFC[m]0.13 microns even.Dec 08 02:49
DaemonFC[m]Such fine China that the air purifers have to add a disclaimer that they can't filter such fine China.Dec 08 02:50
schestowitz[22:48] <MinceR> 08 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4812535)Dec 08 03:07
schestowitzvery shitty productDec 08 03:07
schestowitzis this ikea joke?Dec 08 03:07
MinceRi don't know if it has anything to do with ikea, probably notDec 08 03:10
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schestowitzthe spelling of stoolDec 08 03:17
MinceRseems german to meDec 08 03:18
schestowitzwith ikea joke they'd typically add accentsDec 08 03:20
DaemonFC[m]They're getting rid of the catalogs.Dec 08 03:50
DaemonFC[m]They've stopped issuing physical cards for the IKEA Family thing.Dec 08 03:50
DaemonFC[m]It's a barcode on your phone now.Dec 08 03:50
schestowitzso-called 'phone;Dec 08 03:53
DaemonFC[m]Steve Ballmer laughing at the iPhone.Dec 08 04:02
DaemonFC[m]Mentions some Windows Phone that nobody even remembers. How it was $99. Nobody even remembers it now.Dec 08 04:02
DaemonFC[m]That's how Microsoft is with hardware. They make it, they throw lots of money at it. It's in the clearance bin a year or two later.Dec 08 04:03
DaemonFC[m]The XBOX almost flopped.Dec 08 04:03
DaemonFC[m]None of the launch titles were any good.Dec 08 04:03
DaemonFC[m]It took until Halo just for them to have something that was even kind of worth playing.Dec 08 04:03
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Other than the litigiousness of Nintendo, the quality of their hardware is outstanding.Dec 08 04:16
DaemonFC[m]I've had 6 of their consoles and never had a single one of them fail.Dec 08 04:16
schestowitzalmost flopped?Dec 08 04:30
schestowitzis it profitable?Dec 08 04:31
Ariadneschestowitz: [19:57] <Patrick> i'm told end of the month shit is being shut downDec 08 04:44
Ariadnere: moving the siteDec 08 04:44
Ariadnepatrick being one of the people previously involved in the business, who is dealing with the estate Dec 08 04:44
Ariadneso we have some time but we probably should not lollygag eitherDec 08 04:45
Ariadne[22:03] <DaemonFC[m]> The XBOX almost flopped.Dec 08 04:47
Ariadneyeah i remember when they demoed it on techtv and it was mostly just dreamcast ports at launchDec 08 04:47
Ariadnewith that said it seems this time around the xbox is superior to the ps5 so farDec 08 04:50
Ariadnethe real-time ray tracing is neatDec 08 04:50
schestowitz> Smart:Dec 08 04:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 70: Definitions - Don't Get Any IdeasDec 08 04:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 71: Politically Correct - Don't Get Any IdeasDec 08 04:52
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schestowitzAriadne: are you available today for work on site move?Dec 08 04:53
Ariadnetoday i have some alpine stuff to sortDec 08 05:01
Ariadnethursday?Dec 08 05:01
Ariadneor weekendDec 08 05:01
schestowitzsounds good!Dec 08 05:06
Ariadnethis cyberpunk 2077 game has content in it explicitly designed to trigger epileptic episodesDec 08 05:15
Ariadnei wonder if microsoft and sony are going to make them remove that shitDec 08 05:16
schestowitzotherwise, people should remove sony and microsoftDec 08 05:18
schestowitzthey probably ought to, regardless..Dec 08 05:18
Ariadnei think microsoft will, they are at least pretending to care about accessibility in gamingDec 08 05:18
Ariadnemicrosoft do appear to have guidelines on this: 08 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Xbox Accessibility Guideline 118 - Game Stack | Microsoft DocsDec 08 05:21
schestowitzMicrosoft lies about almost everythingDec 08 05:23
schestowitzhistory has shown that repeatedlyDec 08 05:24
schestowitzthey also lies about their financial performanceDec 08 05:24
schestowitzbecause "everyone is doing it"Dec 08 05:24
schestowitzLater they blame corona when the economy collapseDec 08 05:24
schestowitzand they bail out the rich at everybody else's expenseDec 08 05:24
schestowitz"tough luck, tighten your belts, people"Dec 08 05:25
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "is it profitable?"> According to Microsoft, it's one of their best divisions.Dec 08 05:52
DaemonFC[m]<Ariadne "with that said it seems this tim"> Well, the PS5 is the one overheating, so.Dec 08 05:52
Ariadnexbox is probably profitableDec 08 05:53
Ariadneit seems like its pretty hard to fuck something like that upDec 08 05:53
vZS1I was reading the GNU Bash 5.1 release notes. Got it in my tuxmachines RSS feed. Just underneath that item I see Phoronix repeating verbatim on the release. Is this Phoronix's MO?Dec 08 05:53
Ariadnei think tuxmachines aggregates from phoronixDec 08 05:54
DaemonFC[m]They've been pulling resources away from Windows for some time.Dec 08 05:54
DaemonFC[m]Firing people or reassigning them elsewhere.Dec 08 05:54
Ariadnelooks like we are going back into lockdownDec 08 05:55
Ariadnepray for my data capDec 08 05:55
DaemonFC[m]Comcast raised it 20%. How nice of them.Dec 08 05:57
Ariadnebruh we have viasatDec 08 05:58
Ariadneif i exceed 60GB i am deprioritized :(Dec 08 05:58
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DaemonFC[m] 08 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Response to Eric Raymond (ESR) on “Last Phase of the Desktop Wars” | TechrightsDec 08 06:35
DaemonFC[m]They have a DEB and RPM package, at least.Dec 08 06:35
DaemonFC[m]So it works on Fedora if you really wanted to install it. Finally, that idiot that was rooting for the ban of Kevin Kofler can run Edge on Fedora in WSL2.Dec 08 06:36
DaemonFC[m]What is the point of Edge on Linux?Dec 08 06:37
DaemonFC[m]"Today’s release supports Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, and openSUSE distributions."Dec 08 06:38
DaemonFC[m]Which means that it probably works on tons more, since they build on these.Dec 08 06:38
DaemonFC[m]Also assuming that someone could probably dump out the binaries and repackage it into something else.Dec 08 06:38
vZS1If people trust anyone related to the OSI, they probably swallow crap without asking questions anyway. Nice to see a TR counter-argument.Dec 08 06:59
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schestowitzvZS1: OSI is deadDec 08 09:29
schestowitzand it knows itDec 08 09:29
schestowitzThat's why their General Manager quit some months ago.Dec 08 09:29
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psydroidMac or Windows (shills) or bustDec 08 11:24
psydroidthey are using the M1 thing to twist Torvalds's words into him "wanting" an Apple Mac, when all he would really like to see is a powerful enough ARM desktop to do his kernel work onDec 08 11:26
psydroidthere is too much at stake not to preserve the status quoDec 08 11:27
schestowitz 08 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research - Our World in DataDec 08 11:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Brit grandma, 90, becomes first patient in world to receive Covid-19 jab - Mirror OnlineDec 08 12:28
schestowitzBS supremeDec 08 12:47
schestowitz" first patient in world"Dec 08 12:47
schestowitzreally?Dec 08 12:47
schestowitznopeDec 08 12:47
schestowitz 08 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Conspiracy Theories Have Successfully Distracted From Perfectly Legitimate and Real Scandals of Bill Gates in India, the Fertile Ground for Unethical Mass Experimentation on Humans | TechrightsDec 08 12:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Critical Flaws in Millions of IoT Devices May Never Get Fixed | WIREDDec 08 13:59
MinceR(cat) 08 14:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hungry Kitten/ Burger - YouTubeDec 08 14:19
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*psydroid uploaded an image: scaled_img20201208152704_01.jpg (221KiB) < >Dec 08 15:03
psydroidclouds hanging above the EPODec 08 15:04
schestowitzlet's seeDec 08 15:05
schestowitzwhose photo?Dec 08 15:05
schestowitziirc, one of us lives nearbyDec 08 15:05
schestowitzwas that you?Dec 08 15:05
*schestowitz spent the past 2 hours investigating the family of EPO pres.Dec 08 15:06
XRevan86psydroid: This looks so like Russia.Dec 08 15:07
XRevan86except for the pole, the pole's weirdDec 08 15:08
psydroidyes, I just came back from university to pick some stuff up for a lab and realised I wouldn't be taking that tram again for 6 weeks or soDec 08 15:08
schestowitzthe date is in the filenameDec 08 15:09
schestowitzI can see no other metadataDec 08 15:09
psydroidI don't know, I took it with this "smartphone"Dec 08 15:09
schestowitzlet me check to be sureDec 08 15:12
schestowitzto make sure I get the pronoun right, you're a male, right?Dec 08 15:12
schestowitzbetter to check after that last fluke (Mogz)Dec 08 15:12
psydroidyes, I amDec 08 15:12
psydroidI could have taken something better if I got off the tram and walked over there, but I just wanted to come home as soon as possible to work on my next assignmentDec 08 15:14
schestowitzjust to be sure I copied the image afresh, saved the copyDec 08 15:14
schestowitzthat always eliminates metaDec 08 15:14
schestowitzunless there are watermarks or something, which is super-rareDec 08 15:14
psydroidoh, that sounds goodDec 08 15:15
schestowitzmany epo workers have not seen this building in monthsDec 08 15:15
schestowitznot weeks, monthsDec 08 15:15
schestowitzthey're in 'house arrest'Dec 08 15:15
psydroidliving and working like that is terrible, no matter what compensation you getDec 08 15:17
schestowitz 08 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “Clouds Hanging Above the EPO” | TechrightsDec 08 15:17
schestowitzcheck is this is OK with youDec 08 15:17
schestowitzXRevan86 is quoted alsoDec 08 15:17
psydroidand the worst part is you get so specialised that it's hard to find another jobDec 08 15:17
schestowitzEPO workers would want to see thisDec 08 15:17
psydroidsureDec 08 15:17
schestowitzyes, many examiners explore contingencies at the momentDec 08 15:18
schestowitzI was told soDec 08 15:18
schestowitzlayoffs come to the EPO, big ones...Dec 08 15:18
psydroidit looks fine to meDec 08 15:18
MinceR 08 15:19
schestowitzcan you check another with me, psydroid?Dec 08 15:19
psydroidyes, I canDec 08 15:20
schestowitz 08 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | António Campinos Mastered the ‘Art of Ruling’ His Father Was Strongly Against | TechrightsDec 08 15:21
schestowitzpublished seconds ago just for youDec 08 15:21
schestowitzI am trying to catch typosDec 08 15:21
psydroidI'm reading it nowDec 08 15:22
schestowitzcheers!Dec 08 15:23
psydroid"self-seving"->" self-serving"Dec 08 15:26
schestowitzahaDec 08 15:26
schestowitzcheersDec 08 15:26
psydroid"we continues"->" we continue"Dec 08 15:26
psydroid"rather than protect"->" rather than protects" (because you used "works" earlier in the sentence too)Dec 08 15:28
psydroidthe rest looks fine to meDec 08 15:29
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schestowitzthanks, I'll link to that nowDec 08 15:30
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psydroidI'm getting an internal server error nowDec 08 15:31
schestowitztry again nowDec 08 15:33
schestowitzI was linking to the site, that generates about 500 hits within secondsDec 08 15:33
schestowitzmaybe with the new server set up by Ariadne we won't have those issues... it also happens overnight when there are full DB backups taking placeDec 08 15:34
psydroidit's still happening for me at leastDec 08 15:34
schestowitzI think she even over-provisioned, with 32 CPU coresDec 08 15:35
psydroidso I will have another look in some minutesDec 08 15:35
schestowitzthe wiki?Dec 08 15:35
psydroidyes, the wikiDec 08 15:35
schestowitzweirdDec 08 15:35
schestowitzthe load is lowDec 08 15:35
schestowitzand I see no 5xx errors in apachetopDec 08 15:36
schestowitzmaybe your browser?Dec 08 15:36
schestowitzthe accents in the URL?Dec 08 15:36
psydroidmaybe it's my browserDec 08 15:36
psydroidyes, let me try another oneDec 08 15:36
schestowitztry 08 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - TechrightsDec 08 15:36
schestowitzthere are 4 404sDec 08 15:36
schestowitzin the past 30 secsDec 08 15:36
schestowitzsome browsers cannot handle URLs for IRC logs' particular line eitherDec 08 15:37
schestowitzsomething with apostrophes in them, iircDec 08 15:37
schestowitzfalkon cannot copeDec 08 15:37
schestowitzmaybe your IRC clientDec 08 15:38
schestowitzrather than the browserDec 08 15:38
psydroidit's happening in Firefox, Midori and Chrome here on the "smartphone"Dec 08 15:38
schestowitzmaybe it sends weird URL to your browserDec 08 15:38
psydroidlet me turn on my laptopDec 08 15:38
schestowitzMaybe I should from now on avoid accented characters in the wiki altogetherDec 08 15:39
psydroidI also get a message about an "insecure connection"Dec 08 15:39
schestowitzdoes it block the site?Dec 08 15:39
schestowitzwithout some extension forcing https?Dec 08 15:39
schestowitzMozilla decided to follow Google in treating sites that don't have tls like they're malware or somethingDec 08 15:40
schestowitzin latest release, but it's optional only (for now)Dec 08 15:40
psydroidI have no such extensions installedDec 08 15:40
schestowitzdoes it just warn or block?Dec 08 15:41
psydroidonly UBlock Origin and NoScript SuiteDec 08 15:41
psydroidIt warns and then I press "proceed anyway"Dec 08 15:41
schestowitzwe don't need JS for the siteDec 08 15:41
schestowitzoh, wowDec 08 15:42
schestowitzstupid extensiobnsDec 08 15:42
schestowitzthey're supposed to block ads and JS, respectivelyDec 08 15:42
schestowitznot block sites that don't have a certDec 08 15:42
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psydroidFalkon deals with the wiki links just fineDec 08 15:46
psydroidlet me try the other onesDec 08 15:46
schestowitzwer really need to promote http/web alternativesDec 08 15:47
schestowitzwe end up with browser monopoliesDec 08 15:47
schestowitzand "trust" monopoliesDec 08 15:47
schestowitzthey maginalise the 'SMEs' of the Internet]Dec 08 15:47
psydroidso it only seems to be happening on the smartphoneDec 08 15:48
psydroidand now I'm wondering what else they are blocking with those "smart" devicesDec 08 15:48
schestowitzactuallyDec 08 15:48
schestowitzsince you mention itDec 08 15:49
psydroidyes, that's what I've been saying for a long timeDec 08 15:49
schestowitzhaving tls can get your site blockedDec 08 15:49
schestowitzolder android phonesDec 08 15:49
schestowitzbecause Dec 08 15:49
schestowitz1) the tls version (iirc 1.3) is "too new" for older phonesDec 08 15:49
schestowitzso no workaroundDec 08 15:49
schestowitz2) letsencrypt abandons some old Android devices alsoDec 08 15:49
schestowitzso to get into some sites you need to throw away the old phoneDec 08 15:49
psydroidthis one is running Android 9 (ColorOS)Dec 08 15:50
schestowitzunless it somehow still allows you to add FirefoxDec 08 15:50
psydroidwhich is from last yearDec 08 15:50
psydroidthe phone is, I meanDec 08 15:50
schestowitzwe mentioned it here 08 15:50
schestowitzthey abandon legacyDec 08 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Let’s Encrypt is Garbage, Albeit It’s Disguised as ‘Free’ Privacy | TechrightsDec 08 15:50
schestowitzforcing all people to do "smart"Dec 08 15:50
schestowitzunder the guise of "smart" and "secure" CC vZS1Dec 08 15:51
schestowitz"new" is "safe"Dec 08 15:51
schestowitzthe latest back doorsDec 08 15:51
schestowitzand latest GOogle malware as "browser"Dec 08 15:51
schestowitz 08 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fallout from upcoming Let's Encrypt certificate changes []Dec 08 15:51
schestowitz"As described in this Let’s Encrypt blog entry, certificates issued by Let’s Encrypt will soon be signed solely by that organization’s own root certificate, which is accepted by all modern browsers. There is one little catch, though: versions of Android prior to 7.1.1 (released in late 2016) do not recognize that certificate and will start throwing errors. “Currently, 66.2% of Android devices are running version 7.1 or above. Dec 08 15:51
schestowitzThe remaining 33.8% of Android devices will eventually start getting certificate errors when users visit sites that have a Let’s Encrypt certificate. In our communications with large integrators, we have found that this represents around 1-5% of traffic to their sites.” There appears to be little to be done about this problem other than to encourage owners of older Android devices to install Firefox."Dec 08 15:51
schestowitzIOW: drop dead, people who don't buy new 'phones'Dec 08 15:51
schestowitzmy wife's old phone runs Android 2.xDec 08 15:52
schestowitzit's not connected to the networkDec 08 15:52
schestowitzit's just using wifi, there's not even a phone number for itDec 08 15:52
schestowitzso many sites can no longer be accessed.... because 'novelty'Dec 08 15:52
schestowitzeven very simple text sitesDec 08 15:52
psydroidI've replaced the roms with AOSP-based ones on all the older phones I have here and the next step would be to run pure GNU/Linux with upstream support on them, but that would require me to put some more time into reverse engineering drivers etc.Dec 08 15:53
schestowitzgood thing we move to ipfs and text onlyDec 08 15:53
psydroidand even then I'm not sure I would be able to get everything working againDec 08 15:53
schestowitzsome of these devices are very expensiveDec 08 15:53
schestowitzeven more so if you buy peripherals and accessories to make them usefulDec 08 15:53
schestowitzlike screens, bluetooth keyboard and miceDec 08 15:54
vZS1psydroid: try grapheneOSDec 08 15:54
vZS1It should be less of a time investmentDec 08 15:54
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smnthermes 08 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Qt 6.0 ReleasedDec 08 15:54
schestowitzusl connectors etc... you're talking about north of $1000 for a lousy PC with the motorola dragonball equivalent of 2020Dec 08 15:54
schestowitzsmnthermes: proprietary now?Dec 08 15:54
XRevan86schestowitz: You could update the certificates on it, but Android 2.x… that's a bit much.Dec 08 15:54
psydroidvZS1, thanks, I will have a look at it, but my biggest worry is that the bootloaders and kernels aren't sufficiently open and mainlined for people to install whatever operating system on them that they wantDec 08 15:55
psydroidit definitely looks like a war by these companies on their very own usersDec 08 15:56
schestowitzsmnthermes: I am looking for licensing infoDec 08 15:56
vZS1I'm pretty sure all the Android upstream GrapheneOS is based on is GPLDec 08 15:56
schestowitzdid they postpone of put aside their proprietary licensing plans/scheme?Dec 08 15:56
vZS1Bootloader, idkDec 08 15:56
XRevan86schestowitz: How does it web anyway? There are no up-to-date web browsers for Android 2.x.Dec 08 15:56
XRevan86And the old WebKit stuff is plain insecure.Dec 08 15:57
schestowitz"licen" not found in pageDec 08 15:57
psydroidthe devices I have here aren't on the list of supported devices, but that's fineDec 08 15:58
psydroidI will need to start my reverse engineering efforts somewhereDec 08 15:58
vZS1psydroid: They just want to turn every device into a DRM-locked interface. That's why you see things like Chromebooks.Dec 08 15:59
vZS1Low powered, no control.Dec 08 15:59
psydroidit's mainly about the kernel, which know reasonably well, but I'm just not up to date with the latest changesDec 08 15:59
psydroidit's a moving target anywayDec 08 16:00
psydroidwhich I*Dec 08 16:00
vZS1Which kernel?Dec 08 16:00
psydroidI mean getting a mainline kernel running on devices rather than some old vendor kernelDec 08 16:00
vZS1OhDec 08 16:00
psydroidwith binary blobs for driversDec 08 16:01
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schestowitzor firmware blobsDec 08 16:03
schestowitzreminds me of DRMDec 08 16:03
schestowitzwith their secret hashesDec 08 16:03
schestowitz"please enter secret code"Dec 08 16:03
schestowitzor the 2FA cultDec 08 16:03
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schestowitzlet me use TWO -- not ONE -- back-doored "factor"Dec 08 16:04
schestowitzyou only really need one truly secure "factor"Dec 08 16:04
schestowitzlike a private SSH keyDec 08 16:04
schestowitz(not hosted on Windows... LOL!"Dec 08 16:04
schestowitzMicrosoft 'supports' SSHDec 08 16:04
schestowitzMicrosoftLoveSSH^H^H^H^HNSADec 08 16:05
vZS1psydroid:  If you'd like to share your work, I can help you sort out an IPFS node like I did for TR.Dec 08 16:05
psydroidI had to do that for one phone, an old Sony Xperia TDec 08 16:05
schestowitz 08 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Wants to Remove (or Deprecate) PuTTY From Windows and Replace It With Proprietary Microsoft Software | TechrightsDec 08 16:05
schestowitz 08 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft’s Insecure-by-Design (Sometimes With Back Doors) ‘Contributions’ to OpenSSH | TechrightsDec 08 16:05
schestowitz 08 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Vista 10 is ‘Swiss Cheese’ With Critical Bugs, More Microsoft Layoffs (HoloLens) Announced. So Why Did OpenBSD Accept Microsoft’s $1,000,000 Bribe? | TechrightsDec 08 16:05
psydroidvZS1, sure, I will need to start blogging about things too, as I was asked about it by others as wellDec 08 16:06
psydroidI jus never really felt I had enough knowledge to pull this stuff offDec 08 16:06
psydroidjust*Dec 08 16:06
DaemonFC[m]I saw the UPS truck with my computer drive by and now he's up there by the hospital....Dec 08 16:06
schestowitzit'll catch on, if not as ipfs, then something similarDec 08 16:06
DaemonFC[m]Maybe it's some sort of software routing the truck around.Dec 08 16:06
schestowitzbecause fatigue is growing over 'web obesity', privacy, complexity etc.Dec 08 16:07
schestowitzand social control media is already a fadDec 08 16:07
psydroidI think it's not just the fatigueDec 08 16:07
psydroidbut why would I have to buy a new computer just to browse the web?Dec 08 16:07
psydroidit didn't make sense in 2008 and it doesn't make sense nowDec 08 16:07
schestowitzraspberrypi:~ $ uptimeDec 08 16:08
schestowitz 16:07:53 up 32 days, 13:37,  3 users,  load average: 1.57, 1.60, 1.62Dec 08 16:08
psydroidunless you bloat up the web to sell more devicesDec 08 16:08
schestowitzipfs stats bwDec 08 16:08
schestowitzBandwidthDec 08 16:08
schestowitzTotalIn: 51 GBDec 08 16:08
schestowitzTotalOut: 21 GBDec 08 16:08
schestowitzRateIn: 16 kB/sDec 08 16:08
schestowitzRateOut: 4.8 kB/sDec 08 16:08
psydroidso people can be spied upon better and fasterDec 08 16:08
schestowitzpsydroid: partly developers' faultyDec 08 16:08
vZS1I share huge video files with my friends over IPFS now too.Dec 08 16:08
schestowitzthey adopt "frameworks"Dec 08 16:08
schestowitzlike 2MB of Javascript for some "Effect"Dec 08 16:08
vZS1IPFS is honestly BitTorrent done betterDec 08 16:09
schestowitzwell, it is newerDec 08 16:09
schestowitzso if not done better, than done wrongDec 08 16:09
schestowitzthebDec 08 16:09
schestowitz*thenDec 08 16:09
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psydroidI understand wanting to abstract away the things that are boilerplate and doesn't allow you to differentiate your offerings, but then you should pick a proper and lean abstraction, not some monstrosity that just keeps growing bigger and bigger as well as slower and slowerDec 08 16:10
psydroids/doesn't/don't/Dec 08 16:10
XRevan86 that's the certificateDec 08 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | files/6187b673.0 - platform/system/ca-certificates - Git at GoogleDec 08 16:10
vZS1 > I understand wanting to abstract away the things that are boilerplate and doesn't allow you to differentiate your offerings, but then you should pick a proper and lean abstraction, not some monstrosity that just keeps growing bigger and bigger as well as slower and slowerDec 08 16:12
vZS1All of these are legitimate engineering concernsDec 08 16:12
vZS1The "web" is no longer about engineeringDec 08 16:12
vZS1And web browsers are the main reason whyDec 08 16:13
schestowitzframeworks slapped aroundDec 08 16:13
schestowitzcomplete with "libraries" that enable "data science"Dec 08 16:13
schestowitzor "analytics"Dec 08 16:13
schestowitz"big data"Dec 08 16:13
schestowitz"telemetry"Dec 08 16:13
schestowitznot spying or surveillance... those stopped.... we stopped the wordsDec 08 16:13
schestowitzbye bye, "slave" and "master"Dec 08 16:13
vZS1Frameworks aren't the problem. That's just abstracting software. Dec 08 16:13
vZS1It's the toxicity of the web browser ecosystemDec 08 16:14
vZS1It's an interface designed for users to lose control over their computingDec 08 16:14
vZS1Soon enough you'll see a war on GTK and QtDec 08 16:16
vZS1To try and get everything fit into browsers.Dec 08 16:16
vZS1Chromebooks are the end goal of these effortsDec 08 16:16
schestowitzsoon?Dec 08 16:16
schestowitzthat's over a decade agoDec 08 16:16
schestowitzyesterday at the gym I was reading about workflowsDec 08 16:17
schestowitzsome articlesDec 08 16:17
schestowitzsadly a bunch of "apple cultists"Dec 08 16:17
schestowitzand they go on and on about gsuite and stuffDec 08 16:17
schestowitzas if the "clown" should be presumed desirableDec 08 16:17
schestowitzI had to skip those partsDec 08 16:17
schestowitzabout "notifications" and stuffDec 08 16:17
schestowitzit's the first thing I eradicate every time, it's mixing reading with writingDec 08 16:18
schestowitznow regarding the, "try and get everything fit into browsers," ...Dec 08 16:18
schestowitzthat's not newDec 08 16:18
schestowitzsome OSes were created around 2007 for thatDec 08 16:18
schestowitzlike gOSDec 08 16:18
schestowitzand all those "google-first" 'Linuxes'Dec 08 16:18
schestowitzwhere prior to chromeOS it was foreseen people would just want to boot into an interface over the  webDec 08 16:19
schestowitzeyeOSDec 08 16:19
schestowitzIIRC, Mandriva's founder also attempted thatDec 08 16:19
schestowitzGoogle had deeper pockestDec 08 16:19
schestowitzso it kept going at it, using integration around gmail and stuff to shove those into schoolsDec 08 16:19
schestowitzand compel OEMs to stock those Google-subsidised thingsDec 08 16:20
schestowitzso clearly people 'buy' (rent) these and we don't do a good enough job explaining to people the downsidesDec 08 16:20
schestowitzthey just see an (initially) low price markDec 08 16:20
schestowitzthen google tightens the screwsDec 08 16:20
schestowitzeven literallyDec 08 16:20
schestowitzon people who modify chromebooksDec 08 16:21
schestowitzyou need to unscrew like 20 screwed on a chromebook to boot something elseDec 08 16:21
schestowitzlast time I tried the screw was almost glued itDec 08 16:21
schestowitzI could never remove itDec 08 16:21
schestowitzor even turn itDec 08 16:21
schestowitzmaybe by intentionDec 08 16:21
schestowitzit ruined the screwdriver thoughDec 08 16:21
schestowitzuntil the screw was no longer even beveled, just a piece of stuck metalDec 08 16:22
schestowitzso to use a metaphorDec 08 16:22
schestowitzthe future is screwedDec 08 16:22
schestowitzit's a screwDec 08 16:22
schestowitzthey tell you to turn it aroundDec 08 16:22
schestowitzbut it had no ridgesDec 08 16:22
schestowitzso it's more of a "f u" Dec 08 16:22
schestowitzyou have a "choice"... of no real choice"Dec 08 16:22
schestowitzget a soldering gun, melt the screw and good luck not melting the chassis in the process :-)Dec 08 16:23
schestowitz"good luck... installing Linux ... LOL' -- Love, GoogleDec 08 16:23
schestowitzor just use "crostini" and call our malware "Linux"Dec 08 16:23
schestowitznotice they also gradually look to abolish cruotonDec 08 16:23
vZS1People would literally be better off just using the Rpi 4Dec 08 16:23
schestowitzhaving hired the sole (afaik) developer of crouton, david schneiderDec 08 16:24
schestowitzand it's Microsoft-hosted now that Microsoft controls ShithUBDec 08 16:24
schestowitzRPI is "some assembly required"Dec 08 16:24
schestowitzbut that changesDec 08 16:24
schestowitzwith the 400Dec 08 16:24
schestowitzand with some others that package is more nicelyDec 08 16:24
schestowitzthen you have pine64 and stuffDec 08 16:25
MinceR(cat) (audio:important) 08 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tabby cat meowing so cute like a duck - YouTubeDec 08 16:25
schestowitzMinceR: didn't hear thatDec 08 16:26
schestowitzgave up after 2 minsDec 08 16:26
schestowitzMinceR: they should make it shorterDec 08 16:27
schestowitzlooks like somewhere in California or south EuropeDec 08 16:27
MinceRthere was one around 0:48, but it's not really like quackingDec 08 16:27
vZS1Old laptops are also a good recommendationDec 08 16:28
MinceRi think it's in turkeyDec 08 16:28
liberty_box 08 16:28
schestowitzI checked some yesterdayDec 08 16:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Zero-click 'wormable' RCE flaw uncovered in Microsoft Teams | IT PRODec 08 16:28
schestowitzthey relegated themDec 08 16:28
schestowitzto closed display unitsDec 08 16:28
schestowitzI assume due to covid19Dec 08 16:28
schestowitznot wanting many people to touch theseDec 08 16:28
schestowitzI saw that yesterdayDec 08 16:29
schestowitzI was surveying used monitors and miceDec 08 16:29
schestowitzMinceR: must be a good neighbourhood thereDec 08 16:30
schestowitzwell, you know they're affluent of they have pet caracals Dec 08 16:31
schestowitzor 08 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Leopardus - WikipediaDec 08 16:31
MinceR:3Dec 08 16:34
MinceR 08 16:37
DaemonFC[m]Yes, the web is getting so awful that my i7-6560U is having a stroke just trying to keep up with it.Dec 08 16:39
DaemonFC[m]But I have no idea why Intel wasn't doing quad core for the i7 U stuff in 2016.Dec 08 16:39
vZS1Use CLI clients and use "browsers" only when necessary. I've got loads of pages stored locally. That way I can use them even without an internet connection. I just keep them in Git repos.Dec 08 16:47
DaemonFC[m]Ugh, Plasma Discover froze or something.Dec 08 16:47
DaemonFC[m]I think packagekit is still doing something,Dec 08 16:47
schestowitzwhich distro?Dec 08 16:49
schestowitzI never use "discover"Dec 08 16:49
schestowitzreminds me of "app stores"Dec 08 16:49
DaemonFC[m]+572 dead alreadyDec 08 16:49
DaemonFC[m]Only 7 states reporting, and none of them are a major state.Dec 08 16:50
schestowitzoh wowDec 08 16:50
schestowitzwhich states?Dec 08 16:50
schestowitzand what total pop size?Dec 08 16:50
schestowitz50 mil?Dec 08 16:50
DaemonFC[m]Veteran's Affairs too.Dec 08 16:50
DaemonFC[m]+149 dead there.Dec 08 16:50
DaemonFC[m]Trump said that he was justified in not wearing a mask around some surviving veterans of World War 2 because they were too great to die of COVID-19.Dec 08 16:51
DaemonFC[m]They're in their 90s.....Dec 08 16:51
schestowitz 08 16:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chuck Yeager, pilot who broke the sound barrier, dies at 97 - CNNDec 08 16:52
schestowitztoo great to dieDec 08 16:52
schestowitzboom. sonic boom. dead.Dec 08 16:52
DaemonFC[m]"An incredible life well lived, America's greatest pilot," she tweeted. Dec 08 16:54
DaemonFC[m]What about the X-15 pilots? They went into space.Dec 08 16:54
vZS1Tiger uppercutDec 08 16:54
DaemonFC[m]Or Captain Sully? He saved over 100 people's lives when he managed to land a plane on the Hudson.Dec 08 16:54
DaemonFC[m]In exchange for that, they basically tried to put him on trial.Dec 08 16:55
DaemonFC[m]They used simulators with pilots who knew the bird strikes were coming and reacted immediately, managing to return to the airport.Dec 08 16:55
DaemonFC[m]When Sully insisted that they give them a delay in responding because anyone would have been confused about what had just happened and wondering what to do for a few moments and chatting back and forth with flight controllers who didn't immediately know what to do, all of the simulator crews ended up crashing trying to get back to the airport.Dec 08 16:56
DaemonFC[m]During astronaut training, they have all kinds of shit going wrong in the simulators because you can't just train for a perfect mission.Dec 08 16:57
DaemonFC[m]Because there probably won't be one. They need people who can think on their feet.Dec 08 16:57
DaemonFC[m]Planning a simulation where the pilots know immediately what happened and turn back to the airport, having the benefit of knowing that that will work isn't realisting.Dec 08 16:59
DaemonFC[m]*realisticDec 08 16:59
DaemonFC[m]Running out of power and crashing a few dozen feet short of the runway doesn't take much of a difference.Dec 08 16:59
DaemonFC[m]A few seconds of delay in not turning around. Dec 08 17:00
DaemonFC[m]But those companies are pissed off about losing a very expensive aircraft and they know passengers may sue them, so they were trying to throw the guy under the bus.Dec 08 17:01
DaemonFC[m]Still, it was repulsive to watch them try, even though you know it's coming. Right?Dec 08 17:02
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Well, it used to be pretty clear what to do with a computer that was getting up there in age.Dec 08 17:04
DaemonFC[m]There were still gains to be had from switching to a lightweight desktop environment.Dec 08 17:04
DaemonFC[m]But there's been some convergence. The lighter ones have put on weight around the same time the full features ones went on a bug hunt closing all sorts of disastrous performance issue and memory leaks and bloat. Dec 08 17:05
DaemonFC[m]So there's not really much of a difference these days except what your preference is.Dec 08 17:05
DaemonFC[m]GNOME had been accumulating performance disasters, and now it seems like Canonical realizes they need to make it work, and it was not as responsive as Unity was, so they've tasked someone to sort through the mess, assigning them priorities and trying to fix the worst ones each cycle.Dec 08 17:06
DaemonFC[m]The default rheme was just downright hideous.Dec 08 17:08
DaemonFC[m]*themeDec 08 17:08
DaemonFC[m]So Torvalds was talking about it as sort of a lipstick on the pig type of thing.Dec 08 17:08
DaemonFC[m]It did not work well, it was not approachable, and it didn't perform well.Dec 08 17:08
psydroidmy take on it is that things need to be rebuilt from scratch with simplicity and performance in mindDec 08 17:12
psydroidas far as GNU/Linux is concerned it has become what it set out to displace (proprietary UNIX)Dec 08 17:13
psydroidand I'm starting to wonder if the same mistakes need to made every 30 yearsDec 08 17:14
psydroidto be made*Dec 08 17:14
DaemonFC[m]It's accumulated a lot of crap, that's for sure.Dec 08 17:14
vZS1It's still possible to build a light system with GNU/Linux. But you need to build the setup from scratch.Dec 08 17:23
DaemonFC[m]Amazon has those Microsoft bluetooth mice in the Warehouse Deals.Dec 08 17:24
DaemonFC[m]I assume this is generic enough to work with Linux.Dec 08 17:24
vZS1USB peripherals like keyboards and mice are all very standardisedDec 08 17:26
DaemonFC[m]Mandy was shocked that his statin drug might be causing side effects. I looked at his cholesterol numbers and triglycerides and they were so low I don't even think he needs to be on these. At all.Dec 08 17:26
DaemonFC[m]I think some doctor two years ago prescribed them and some other one has been refilling them without paying attention and he's just bee swallowing them every night.Dec 08 17:27
DaemonFC[m]So I told him quit taking them for a while and see what the numbers are like. The worst thing is he may have to go back on them at half dose.Dec 08 17:27
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DaemonFC[m]I was like "What the hell is going on in there?". Doctors....Dec 08 17:28
DaemonFC[m]And of course he's all like "Well, the doctor never mentioned that it could do this." and I was like, "They never do. Every drug has side effects and risks, and the doctors never go over them or talk to you about other options. They just prescribe them.".Dec 08 17:28
DaemonFC[m]I was talking to a doctor back when Amazon had a forum and I asked her why doctors just prescribe this junk like it's candy instead of asking the patient if they can watch their saturated fats or sodium or whatever.Dec 08 17:29
DaemonFC[m]And she was like "Because we just give up because nobody listens to us.".Dec 08 17:29
DaemonFC[m]It seems unethical, to me, for a doctor to not at least tell you what your options are and what the drug might do.Dec 08 17:30
DaemonFC[m]Or they see that your numbers are just a tad high but nothing horrific and they start whipping out the prescription pad with drugs where the risks aren't worth the benefit.Dec 08 17:32
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It doesn't surprise me at all that people have sodium that's too high.Dec 08 17:32
kingoffranceim thinking these 2 topics (software bloat, and pushing drugs to users) overlap, because nobody listens to usDec 08 17:33
DaemonFC[m]In many cases, the reduced sodium version of something is 2-3 times as expensive, and still has a ton of sodium.Dec 08 17:33
DaemonFC[m]No they don't.Dec 08 17:33
DaemonFC[m]You can tell people that Windows is terrible for their privacy.Dec 08 17:33
DaemonFC[m]That Windows 10 data mines them like Facebook, which they also probably use.Dec 08 17:33
vZS1The BSDs are a good example of light deployments.Dec 08 17:33
DaemonFC[m]Does no good at all.Dec 08 17:33
vZS1If you do a BSD install without X, you can then build a very light system on top of that.Dec 08 17:34
DaemonFC[m]Even at the rather innocent-sounding "Basic" level of telemetry, Microsoft still gets an alarming amount of data about you.Dec 08 17:34
DaemonFC[m]They say "Required to keep Windows working." but people who deactivate the telemetry services don't seem to have more troubles. Dec 08 17:35
DaemonFC[m]I would guess that the Chromebook is worse for privacy though.Dec 08 17:35
DaemonFC[m]Or at least not any better.Dec 08 17:36
DaemonFC[m]Bulk user data is not just highly profitable, but storing it and giving it to the government is a get out of jail free card when the antitrust people come a knocking.Dec 08 17:36
kingoffrancealso, im going to throw a ""Tatsumuki Senpuu Kyaku"" in thereDec 08 17:37
DaemonFC[m]And that's why mjg59's employer isn't facing any consumer harm complaints from DoJ about their spyware.Dec 08 17:37
DaemonFC[m]And why this antitrust thing is all fake and will go away once they make some backroom deal to do whatever it is the government is really pressuring them about.Dec 08 17:37
DaemonFC[m]What's funny about Windows 10 is that Microsoft said they were going to make a clean break with IE (with Edge), but then they just repeated the same mistake.Dec 08 17:38
DaemonFC[m]They made it part of the WinRT API and now EdgeHTML is going to be there for like 20 years.Dec 08 17:39
DaemonFC[m]So you have three browsers you can't get rid of.Dec 08 17:39
DaemonFC[m]And two don't even work properly with modern websites.Dec 08 17:39
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: +922 with 13 states in.Dec 08 17:45
DaemonFC[m]This is going to be one of those days where we at least get close to 3,000 again.Dec 08 17:46
DaemonFC[m]The guy on the radio this morning quoted the WHO saying about 2 Americans are dying of COVID every minute.Dec 08 17:46
psydroidthey aren't going to pull the trigger themselves, so others will have to do it for themDec 08 17:52
psydroidmacOS has gone the same way, just by running GNU/Linux on the same hardware you can almost double your performanceDec 08 17:53
schestowitzAriadne: 08 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Beware of Fake PS5 Sales – Concrete Block Sold on eBay - Make Tech EasierDec 08 17:53
psydroidand that's even considering the current state of GNU/Linux, which isn't what it used to beDec 08 17:53
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schestowitz[17:45] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: +922 with 13 states in.Dec 08 18:01
schestowitzCongrats, RyanDec 08 18:01
schestowitz1140 minutes per dayDec 08 18:01
schestowitzso 2280 per day, inc. weekend, is one death every 30 secondsDec 08 18:02
schestowitzmake it 3420 and it's one every 20 secondsDec 08 18:02
schestowitzlet's see if we get there todayDec 08 18:02
schestowitz3 dead per minuteDec 08 18:02
schestowitz[17:33] <kingoffrance> im thinking these 2 topics (software bloat, and pushing drugs to users) overlap, because nobody listens to usDec 08 18:03
schestowitzmaybe an analogy is in orderDec 08 18:03
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DaemonFC[m]Those Microsoft Surface Arc Mouse things look like they'd be downright painful to use.Dec 08 18:06
DaemonFC[m]And I'm wondering if Linux even supports the emulated scroll wheel.Dec 08 18:06
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vZS1psydroid: do you have a PGP public key with a contact address on it?Dec 08 18:08
psydroidvZS1, not currently, but I can make one this weekend and share it with you, if that's not too late for youDec 08 18:10
vZS1psydroid: that works.Dec 08 18:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I got an open box special on a Microsoft bluetooth mouse. Half off.Dec 08 18:14
DaemonFC[m]So like $13. Dec 08 18:14
DaemonFC[m]My current one ties up a USB port. :/Dec 08 18:14
schestowitzwhat's the selling point?Dec 08 18:14
schestowitz13 dollars isn't so cheapDec 08 18:14
schestowitzi bet my GXT ones for that priceDec 08 18:14
DaemonFC[m]Bluetooth 5.0 LE and supposed to get 12 months battery life.Dec 08 18:15
DaemonFC[m]One reviewer said it works fine with Ubuntu 20.04.Dec 08 18:15
schestowitzand they're quite nice and reliable, so over the years we bought 3 of themDec 08 18:15
schestowitzmy mice have battery life of 1200 monthsDec 08 18:15
DaemonFC[m]At least at one point, Microsoft mice and keyboard were made by logitech.Dec 08 18:15
DaemonFC[m]If you brought up the details it would say logitech in the vendor name sometimes.Dec 08 18:15
schestowitzsome reported they wanted to buy Logitech?Dec 08 18:16
schestowitzI guess rebranding suited them betterDec 08 18:16
DaemonFC[m]I've had Microsoft peripherals before.Dec 08 18:16
schestowitzI have very bad luck with Logitech... 'luck;;Dec 08 18:16
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes they were cheaper than the Logitech product they were rebranded from.Dec 08 18:16
schestowitzThey don't last long for meDec 08 18:16
DaemonFC[m]The biggest issue I had was a webcam that didn't want to work with Windows 7.Dec 08 18:17
schestowitzLogitech charges extra for a nameDec 08 18:17
schestowitzanyway, so you bought MicrosoftDec 08 18:17
schestowitzand not even cheaoDec 08 18:17
schestowitzand now you need to buy batteriesDec 08 18:17
DaemonFC[m]I eventually got around it by extracting the driver from the setup program that said unsupported OS, and installed it that way.Dec 08 18:17
schestowitzfor your "protector display" :-)Dec 08 18:17
schestowitz*projectorDec 08 18:17
DaemonFC[m]Turns out it worked fine and Logitech was putting a block on Windows 7 to make you go out and buy another webcam.Dec 08 18:18
schestowitzI have a creative webcam somewhereDec 08 18:18
schestowitzhave not used it in nearly a decadeDec 08 18:18
schestowitzanyway, bblDec 08 18:18
DaemonFC[m]There was a Windows generic UVC driver for the webcam, but it operated it at the wrong resolution.Dec 08 18:19
DaemonFC[m]So obviously that wasn't a solution.Dec 08 18:19
DaemonFC[m]That's like saying Windows supports your graphics card because it has a VESA driver somewhere.Dec 08 18:19
vZS1DaemonFC[m]: `$ less /proc/bus/input/devices`Dec 08 18:25
vZS1Will show you who the manufacturer is, usually.Dec 08 18:25
vZS1Most of the time, they don't even bother to wipe the internal metadata on rebranded devices.Dec 08 18:26
DaemonFC[m]Conde Nasty gave me another tsk tsk ban a while back.Dec 08 18:28
DaemonFC[m]I barely post anything to Reddit anymore because some asshole will take offense and go CoC! OMG!Dec 08 18:28
DaemonFC[m]I got an email from Tumblr saying "Are you still daemonfc? It's been a while.".Dec 08 18:30
DaemonFC[m]I said, to myself, "Yeah, it has been a while since you took freedom of expression out back and shot it because Apple threatened to toss you out of their Crapp Store.".Dec 08 18:31
DaemonFC[m]That's pretty much why Tumblr emptied out and now Reddit is going the same direction.Dec 08 18:31
DaemonFC[m]They had a Youtube video that was mocking the CEO of Tumblr.Dec 08 18:31
DaemonFC[m]Shocked to learn that 90% of the users left because they deleted the porn.Dec 08 18:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, all your users were porn monkeys and Apple chased them off with your help. Congrats. Dec 08 18:32
DaemonFC[m]You could have totally sold ad impressions to at least....some people that were using your site for something, but not now I guess.Dec 08 18:32
DaemonFC[m]Have fun selling that off for pennies. Dec 08 18:32
DaemonFC[m]That's pretty much the danger of replacing websites with apps.Dec 08 18:33
DaemonFC[m]When it's an app, it doesn't have freedom of speech anymore. If Apple or Google don't like you, byeeeeeee.Dec 08 18:33
schestowitz\Dec 08 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #linuxFoundation "loves Linux" is rapidly becoming just as laughable as "Microsoft loves Linux" Dec 08 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | Linux Foundation - TechrightsDec 08 18:34
schestowitz 08 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ In December 2020 or by the year's end it's clear that #linuxDOTcom is defunct as well as barely active. Killed by so-called #linuxFoundation (they're not interested in such an important domain; fired ALL the staff). Dec 08 18:34
DaemonFC[m]I was drawn to Reddit, like many people, due to their formerly fairly libertarian stance on speech.Dec 08 18:35
schestowitz 08 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #Microsoft : Microsoft loves Linux, but we hate using Linux and don't use it Jim Zemlin: me too!! LOVE! Like.Dec 08 18:35
DaemonFC[m]That's dead and buried, honestly. And a lot of these subreddits, which anyone could be the first to claim, have been completely hijacked.Dec 08 18:35
schestowitzcorporate agendaDec 08 18:35
schestowitznot 100%Dec 08 18:35
schestowitzbut enough to be off-puttingDec 08 18:36
DaemonFC[m]Especially /r/Linux. It's all about WSL2 now and you get banned for even making fun of Microsoft, even if it's not actually something that would offend, or if it's about their own offensive behavior.Dec 08 18:36
DaemonFC[m]BIG BOOBS BIG BOOBS HONK HONK....Dec 08 18:36
DaemonFC[m]mjg59didn't like that, even, but he still implements their agenda in the kernel.Dec 08 18:36
cybrNauti was a Reddit fan as well for a bit, but then the censorship got really out of hand.  I would create my own sub, and post something that a mod of another sub censored, and Reddit would still censor it.. someone (or some bot) above moderatorsDec 08 18:37
cybrNautso i'm done with RedditDec 08 18:38
vZS1I caused a big ruckus in r/Linux a few months back. They couldn't censor me because of all the support. (:Dec 08 18:38
vZS1But I agree. r/Linux is controlled by Microsoft blood.Dec 08 18:38
DaemonFC[m]mjg59: Criticizes Microsoft for being a sausage party full of toxic masculinity with Asperger's.Dec 08 18:38
DaemonFC[m]mjg59: Also implements Microsoft's draconian restrictions on the user's computer.Dec 08 18:39
vZS1s/blood/nowDec 08 18:39
vZS1Stupid phone keyboardDec 08 18:40
DaemonFC[m]Once malware gets a beachhead, it's basically already too late. Instead of securing Windows and removing obsolete dead and redundant code.....Dec 08 18:40
DaemonFC[m]They pervert the system firmware with all kinds of nasties.Dec 08 18:40
cybrNautBelgian police found stolen bikes and posted pics of them to Facebook.  Ppl who had a bike stolen were unable to see the pics unless they create a Facebook acct.  I posted about it in r/Brussels, and Octave censored itDec 08 18:41
cybrNautnot sure why the r/Brussels mod would be so protective of FacebookDec 08 18:41
vZS1cybrNaut: you can share those pictures on IPFS. Can put a contact number on each image.Dec 08 18:42
vZS1I would have helped, if you asked me. We could piggyback off the http gatewayDec 08 18:42
vZS1Then it becomes as simple as sharing a URLDec 08 18:43
smnthermes 08 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream – Blog.CentOS.orgDec 08 18:43
smnthermesOofDec 08 18:43
*XRevan86 sheds a solid tear.Dec 08 18:43
schestowitzwe use centosDec 08 18:44
schestowitzthis was predictableDec 08 18:44
schestowitzI was not sure if they'd even release 8.x of itDec 08 18:44
cybrNautvZS1: my problem was that the police were only serving victims if they happened to have a Facebook acct.  Don't you still need a FB acct to get the content out of FB's walled garden?Dec 08 18:45
cybrNauti'm not really up to speed with how IPFS worksDec 08 18:46
schestowitz 08 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #centos news of the day in a nutshell: IBM: pay us for #redhat distros or GTFO (or have no stability) This was foreseeable Dec 08 18:46
vZS1cybrNaut: you could ask someone with a Facebook account to get the details and pictures and at least share those pictures with some contact information. Idk about the police and Facebook but at least people not on Facebook could help that way.Dec 08 18:46
XRevan86Would be funny if suddenly a new CentOS will pop up.Dec 08 18:47
XRevan86with the original formulaDec 08 18:47
schestowitz[18:40] <vZS1> Stupid phone keyboardDec 08 18:47
schestowitz[18:40] <vZS1> Stupid phoneDec 08 18:47
schestowitzfixedDec 08 18:47
schestowitz'phone'Dec 08 18:47
schestowitzscare quotes helpDec 08 18:47
schestowitz(yes, they can ALSO receive calls, I know)Dec 08 18:48
vZS1cybrNaut: think like BitTorrent.Dec 08 18:48
vZS1But easier to share because of http gatewaysDec 08 18:48
XRevan86Possible names: TsentOS or KentOS :)Dec 08 18:48
cybrNauti also have a problem with the police requiring victims to have a friend who has Facebook.  I only knew that the police were using FB b/c a newspaper wrote about itDec 08 18:49
vZS1cybrNaut: I share your concerns.Dec 08 18:49
vZS1Too much law enforcement on social mediaDec 08 18:49
cybrNautpolice are public servants, and should be serving the whole publicDec 08 18:49
vZS1cybrNaut: why don't you write up these thoughts and the case you experienced. Send it to schestowitz. This is the type of stuff that should be on TR.Dec 08 18:50
cybrNautvZS1: good idea.  Would also be cool to incorporate the Striesand effect w/Reddit censorshipDec 08 18:52
vZS1cybrNaut:  Go for it. I'll share them when they pop up in my RSS. (:Dec 08 18:53
cybrNautcoolDec 08 18:54
cybrNautmaybe i'll get time in the next couple days to get it bloggedDec 08 18:55
vZS1Looking forward to it.Dec 08 18:55
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vZS1schestowitz: did you read the email yet?Dec 08 18:59
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So Season 4 of The Man in the High Castle.Dec 08 18:59
schestowitzI did Dec 08 18:59
schestowitzI liked to it a few timesDec 08 18:59
schestowitzthe links thereinDec 08 18:59
DaemonFC[m]Where the Nazis start stealing tech and stuff from the multiverse.Dec 08 18:59
DaemonFC[m]I was like "Aperture Science brought to you by the Nazis!".Dec 08 18:59
DaemonFC[m]Then I wondered why they would even need tech from the multiverse.Dec 08 18:59
DaemonFC[m]The Nazis in the in-story universe had easily 1980s level technology in the 1960s. Dec 08 19:00
DaemonFC[m]It's looking like they were ahead of our universe by about 20 years on most things.Dec 08 19:01
DaemonFC[m]Although it did kind of suggest that since they would kill people with disabling illness that they weren't as far along in medicine. Dec 08 19:01
vZS1schestowitz: there are some major issues that are being sidelined. Priorities are pretty skewed as well. I'll keep you updated as my work on this front progresses.Dec 08 19:01
MinceR:>Dec 08 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Nazi universe John Smith's son was put down by the state for having a crippling illness while his alt-world son was alive and healthy.Dec 08 19:02
MinceRor they claimed he had a crippling illnessDec 08 19:02
DaemonFC[m]You know, the whole "put down by the state for being a drag on the economy" is not that far off from what the Republicans want to do.Dec 08 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Which is why they want to let Coronavirus run its course.Dec 08 19:03
MinceRnever believe authoritarian regimesDec 08 19:03
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So you figure that it was manageable but they didn't want to put resources into helping him.Dec 08 19:03
MinceRor they poisoned himDec 08 19:03
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, there's a lot of people who are able to lead relatively normal lives in our universe, but at tremendous cost to healthcare programs.Dec 08 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Trump's bout of COVID apparently cost taxpayers about a million dollars.Dec 08 19:04
DaemonFC[m]So that he could be treated with something that no member of the public could have.Dec 08 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Otherwise he'd be deader than a doornail right now.Dec 08 19:04
MinceR 08 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shrek (2001) - Some of you May Die, But it's a Sacrifice I am Willing to Make - YouTubeDec 08 19:06
DaemonFC[m]But they give him a million dollars worth of healthcare and a drug that nobody else can get and he act like he just sprang back from a cold that sent him to the hospital for largely no reason.Dec 08 19:06
DaemonFC[m]It's this kind of fake macho crap that my parents admire. Dec 08 19:06
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DaemonFC[m]A million dollars worth of what, exactly? He was in there for about 4 days. He's 76 years old. He's probably got like a year or two left. Dec 08 19:08
DaemonFC[m]And they spend enough money to treat 10 patients who get HIV when they're 18 and live their entire life.Dec 08 19:09
schestowitz[18:59] <DaemonFC[m]> Where the Nazis start stealing tech and stuff from the multiverse.Dec 08 19:18
schestowitzMany copied the german mechanicsDec 08 19:19
schestowitzlike their fast machine gunsDec 08 19:19
schestowitz 08 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WW2 German MG42 Machine Gun Test Fire - YouTubeDec 08 19:19
schestowitzThis one looks like a copDec 08 19:19
schestowitzI bet some US cops have nazi fetishDec 08 19:19
schestowitzas they have blacks so muchDec 08 19:19
schestowitz 08 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WW2 German MG42 Machine Gun Demonstration - YouTubeDec 08 19:19
DaemonFC[m]You think they would have kept progressing fast enough to be at 80s level tech by 1963?Dec 08 19:19
schestowitzthis one seems like US militaryDec 08 19:19
schestowitzthe more modern tank-mounted machine guns ae scary fastDec 08 19:20
schestowitzand the rounds are hugely long, bullets massiveDec 08 19:20
schestowitzthey're spraying thousands per minuteDec 08 19:20
schestowitzmaybe 1cm thickDec 08 19:20
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, well, when you're under attack you really don't have time to be precise.Dec 08 19:20
schestowitzso tech today would make wars more lethalDec 08 19:20
schestowitzeven without nukesDec 08 19:21
schestowitz 08 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"The Hand of God" M61 20mm Vulcan Cannon - YouTubeDec 08 19:21
schestowitz20mmDec 08 19:21
schestowitz2 cmDec 08 19:21
schestowitzalmost one inch thickDec 08 19:21
schestowitz6000rpmDec 08 19:22
DaemonFC[m]UPS has this new "feature" where if you don't create an account and log in, they give you a much fuzzier estimate of when your package will be there.Dec 08 19:22
DaemonFC[m]But if you log in, they tell you a 5 hour window.Dec 08 19:23
schestowitzUS empire going down the drainDec 08 19:23
schestowitzthey'll just auction away weaponsDec 08 19:23
schestowitzTrump has just done thatDec 08 19:23
schestowitzmore weapons salesDec 08 19:23
schestowitzeven to hostile and erratic nationsDec 08 19:23
schestowitz(more than the US)Dec 08 19:23
DaemonFC[m]I heard Congress was not likely to approve that sale to the UAE.Dec 08 19:24
DaemonFC[m]There's more than a few who don't want to destabilize the region that much or at least don't want our latest stuff getting sold to the Chinese to tear down and figure out.Dec 08 19:24
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schestowitz 08 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | With guns drawn, police raid home and seize computers of COVID-19 data whistleblower - The VergeDec 08 19:25
schestowitz 08 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Florida State Police Raid Home Of COVID Whistleblower, Point Guns At Her & Her Family, Seize All Her Computer Equipment | TechdirtDec 08 19:25
schestowitzWhat gets me is thisDec 08 19:25
schestowitznot dangerousDec 08 19:25
schestowitznot armedDec 08 19:25
schestowitzfemaleDec 08 19:25
schestowitzFLDec 08 19:25
schestowitzscientistDec 08 19:25
schestowitzand why send a bunch of violent goons after herDec 08 19:25
schestowitzGOP-majority state?Dec 08 19:25
schestowitzwth did they think the world would think?]Dec 08 19:25
schestowitzso far today FL reports about 120 dearhsDec 08 19:25
schestowitzmaybe that's the totalDec 08 19:25
schestowitzafter this raid fewer people would trust the numbersDec 08 19:26
schestowitzso who knows how many REALLY die there?Dec 08 19:26
schestowitzmaybe worse than NYSDec 08 19:26
DaemonFC[m]There's no rhyme or reason to what Illinois is doing.Dec 08 19:26
DaemonFC[m]They shut down the DMV for two weeks.Dec 08 19:26
DaemonFC[m]I don't even know if they're open again.Dec 08 19:27
DaemonFC[m]If they are, they'll say "Everyone stands out in the freezing cold for 4 hours, and since it's Thursday we'll mitigate the Coronavirus by making you do it on one foot so when you get up to the people at the folding card table, they'll say they need different documents than what you brought with you!".Dec 08 19:27
DaemonFC[m] 08 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White extends driver services facilities closures until Jan. 5 | Daily ChronicleDec 08 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Now they're closed until January 5th.Dec 08 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Well, that answers that.Dec 08 19:28
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure all of those fucking assholes that "work" there harassing the public are still drawing their entire paycheck.Dec 08 19:29
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Best Buy didn't have any terrific laptop deals.Dec 08 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Seems Lenovo undercut them. Probably because Best Buy has to mark shit up to make up for the whole store thing.Dec 08 19:30
DaemonFC[m]I didn't get a touch screen or 4K this time.Dec 08 19:31
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DaemonFC[m]Largely because it ended up being a power hogging nightmare that I barely used this time around.Dec 08 19:31
DaemonFC[m]KDE doesn't even have full support for touch screens and why would you even flip a laptop that weighs 7 or 8 times what a tablet does over and try to use it without a keyboard anyway?Dec 08 19:32
DaemonFC[m]I think these 2-in-1 things are mostly pointless, having owned one for over 4 years now.Dec 08 19:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Microsoft said they're going to use WSL2 to bring Android apps to Windows, but the tech news actually threw a lot of cold water on that one.Dec 08 19:33
DaemonFC[m]The one I was reading pointed out that without Google Play Services, most of them are unlikely to work properly, and basically "Why would you want Android apps on a PC anyway?".Dec 08 19:34
DaemonFC[m]A lot of this WSL stuff is a money pit for Microsoft. Dec 08 19:34
DaemonFC[m]It's a solution in search of a problem, and it doesn't even do its job well if by job you mean running Linux workloads with good performance.Dec 08 19:34
DaemonFC[m]And it introduces the 7 circles of hell that Windows brings to the security and reliability table.Dec 08 19:35
DaemonFC[m]Is Phoronix still pushing it?Dec 08 19:35
schestowitz[19:33] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Microsoft said they're going to use WSL2 to bring Android apps to Windows, but the tech news actually threw a lot of cold water on that one.Dec 08 19:35
schestowitzNothing newsDec 08 19:35
schestowitznewDec 08 19:35
schestowitz      <li>Dec 08 19:35
schestowitz        <h5><a href="">What’s At Stake in Julian Assange’s Extradition Trial</a></h5>Dec 08 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What’s At Stake in Julian Assange’s Extradition Trial | The NationDec 08 19:35
schestowitz        <blockquote>Dec 08 19:35
schestowitz          <p>Julian Assange’s extradition trial in London this fall revealed the lengths to which the US government was willing to go to secure the return of the WikiLeaks founder to America. It also threw light on a disturbing abuse of process in the English courts.</p></blockquote></li>Dec 08 19:35
schestowitzoopsDec 08 19:35
schestowitzwrong pasteDec 08 19:35
schestowitzexcept the brandingDec 08 19:35
schestowitzit's nothing nrwsDec 08 19:36
schestowitzmany programs do it alreadyDec 08 19:36
schestowitzthey ALSO run on WindowsDec 08 19:36
schestowitzand not onlyDec 08 19:36
schestowitzMicrosoft: stop using NOT WIndowsDec 08 19:36
DaemonFC[m]Well, I mean you can run an Android Runtime on it I guess, but why would you?Dec 08 19:36
schestowitzMicrosoft: look! You can run this stuff ALSO on WindowsDec 08 19:36
DaemonFC[m]AOSP actually isn't good for much of anything because it's not meant to be.Dec 08 19:36
DaemonFC[m]It's like what Darwin is to Mac OS.Dec 08 19:36
schestowitz[19:35] <DaemonFC[m]> Is Phoronix still pushing it?Dec 08 19:36
schestowitzMichael pushed a lot of Microsoft latelyDec 08 19:37
schestowitzlike 4 items in 3 daysDec 08 19:37
schestowitzbecause news is slowDec 08 19:37
schestowitzand it's a shameDec 08 19:37
schestowitzbecause it makes me change my view/feelings about phoronixDec 08 19:37
schestowitzsometimes there's also obvious clickbaitDec 08 19:37
CrystalMathimportant pandemic notice: calling on all serial killers to make sure they use different knives for different murders to reduce the spread of COVID-19; stay safe!Dec 08 19:42
CrystalMath(an alternative is properly disinfecting the knives)Dec 08 19:42
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schestowitzany typos here? 08 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Does Not Love Linux | TechrightsDec 08 19:51
jaggzschestowitz, the summary itself?Dec 08 19:54
jaggzin american english you'd capitalize the "Me too!"  Otherwise I don't see anythingDec 08 19:56
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schestowitzMeToo is a hashtag nowDec 08 19:58
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marie_antoinetteBonjour chers colleguesDec 08 19:59
schestowitz0/Dec 08 19:59
jaggzhas linux been infiltrated and destroyed?Dec 08 20:01
jaggzexploiting torvalds' weaknesses and getting him out too?Dec 08 20:01
jaggz(I don't know what's going on)Dec 08 20:01
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schestowitzcorporate takeoverDec 08 20:05
schestowitzLinux succeeded Dec 08 20:05
schestowitzso it needs to be passed overDec 08 20:05
schestowitzvolunteers' workDec 08 20:05
schestowitzit has valueDec 08 20:05
schestowitzit would be a shame if that did not become privatiser corporate valueDec 08 20:06
schestowitz*privatisedDec 08 20:06
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schestowitzTorvalds is expected to just smile, nod, get along.. if he wants to stay part of jis projectDec 08 20:06
schestowitzRMS was almost ousted from his (GNU)Dec 08 20:07
schestowitzsome people still work at itDec 08 20:07
schestowitzso he's keeping mostly quietDec 08 20:07
jaggznodDec 08 20:07
schestowitzto avoid saying anything "controversial" which would fuel the ousstersDec 08 20:07
jaggzthanksDec 08 20:08
jaggz(sorry.. tired so I shouldn't be talking much)Dec 08 20:11
schestowitzwhy not? can be tired and still talk..Dec 08 20:12
jaggz,Dec 08 20:12
schestowitz Dec 08 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Reports Using Macs and Janssen Project | Tux MachinesDec 08 20:12
jaggzschestowitz, maybe I'll say dumber things.  Really it's because I should get some rest so I can be responsible for the health of my family :)Dec 08 20:12
jaggzI don't understand why they'd be using macs.  I saw the walking-desk vid of torvalds and, iirc, a mac was his main systemDec 08 20:14
schestowitzyou are anon, so...Dec 08 20:14
schestowitzonce upon a time he put gnu/linux on a "mac"Dec 08 20:14
schestowitzbut he doesn't use the OSDec 08 20:14
schestowitzthe LF doesDec 08 20:14
schestowitzit's goodDec 08 20:15
schestowitzbecause...Dec 08 20:15
schestowitzthat helps us see who they really areDec 08 20:15
schestowitzon a more superficial levelDec 08 20:15
schestowitzlike SPAMnil saying he admires MicrosoftDec 08 20:16
schestowitzand acting like an Apple fanbi while LF employs him to edits on his own Linux.comDec 08 20:16
schestowitzand then hiring people from MicrosoftDec 08 20:16
schestowitzso we can write them off as sold and defunct; same for OSI and SFC BTWDec 08 20:16
schestowitzYou are what you do, we see what you do, we we know what you are, what you stand for etc.Dec 08 20:17
schestowitzwe we -> so weDec 08 20:17
schestowitzas frustrating as it may be, at least you know who's a waste of time to interact withDec 08 20:17
schestowitzwebmink (Phipps) might still be mostly OK, same for PerensDec 08 20:18
schestowitzbut they left the OSI, which was destroyed not due to their own faultsDec 08 20:18
schestowitzI think webmink was shamed using the diversity card into handing it overDec 08 20:18
schestowitzPerens is OKDec 08 20:18
schestowitzRMS I speak to sometimes; he's OK but 'camera-shy'Dec 08 20:19
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schestowitzI guess he got mortified a bit by 2019 eventsDec 08 20:19
schestowitzand that left him mildly shocked/traumatised, the social control media lynch mobs and nasty press releases from GNOME, SFC and other turncoats in Microsoft's pocketsDec 08 20:19
jaggzmust be a nightmare to be in such a positionDec 08 20:20
jaggzthey have to be strong in character and belief, and then their eccentricities are used to attack themDec 08 20:21
jaggzanyway, I'm not fully-knowledgeable in this arena so...Dec 08 20:22
jaggzI have to look up the terms and names you bring upDec 08 20:22
jaggzwell, I'll be around.. so.. will ttyl.  :)Dec 08 20:22
jaggznap time.. gotta be up in a few hours again.. blehDec 08 20:23
schestowitzokDec 08 20:25
DaemonFC[m]The maintenance man is over in the apartment across the hall spraypainting stuff.Dec 08 20:29
DaemonFC[m]I moved both my AirGenius towers in here and have them running full blast.Dec 08 20:30
DaemonFC[m]It looks like the Sentry Guns from Aliens.Dec 08 20:30
jaggzfumes?  or throw a sheet over them to catch some of the gunk to preserve a bit of life of your filters?Dec 08 20:32
jaggzanyway.. keep doors closed.. air/fan blowing in for positive pressureDec 08 20:33
jaggznot from the place where they'd pull the paint air in of course :)Dec 08 20:33
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: over 2000 deaths nowDec 08 20:34
schestowitzit's only 5pm there, ny timezoneDec 08 20:34
jaggz 08 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PFAS Chemical Associated With Severe Covid-19Dec 08 20:35
schestowitzoligarchs-run site, pretends to be “independent journalism” (i.e. PLEASE SPONSOR A BILLIONAIRE!)\Dec 08 20:37
schestowitzeven worse than GuardianDec 08 20:37
schestowitzwhich takes money from billionairesDec 08 20:37
schestowitzand asks for donationsDec 08 20:37
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schestowitzsame for NPRDec 08 20:37
schestowitzBBC takes TV licensing moneyDec 08 20:37
schestowitzand then takes bribes from GatesDec 08 20:38
schestowitzall the above are Gates-bribedDec 08 20:38
jaggzgood to know. I'm always suspicious of that.  In this case, I don't care about the site, just the direction to the research Dec 08 20:38
schestowitz"Consider what the world of media would look like without The Intercept. Who would hold party elites accountable to the values they proclaim to have? How many covert wars, miscarriages of justice, and dystopian technologies would remain hidden if our reporters weren’t on the beat?"Dec 08 20:39
schestowitzThey don't say Omidyar runs themDec 08 20:39
schestowitzand Greenwald, a co-founder, quietDec 08 20:39
schestowitzbecause the owner's editor would not let him have a go at BidenDec 08 20:39
schestowitzand Trump haters blindly sided with Olidyar on thisDec 08 20:40
schestowitzbecause... TrumpDec 08 20:40
schestowitz*OmidyarDec 08 20:40
schestowitzThe popup, which is new to me, says:Dec 08 20:40
schestowitzseems to be an image of textDec 08 20:40
schestowitzin large fontsDec 08 20:40
schestowitzand it covers the whole pageDec 08 20:40
jaggzyeah I got that tooDec 08 20:41
schestowitzit can help the billionaire raise moneyDec 08 20:41
schestowitzand also give creds to the siteDec 08 20:41
schestowitzso people won't know who really owns and runs itDec 08 20:41
schestowitzhe was banned in .phDec 08 20:41
schestowitzfor paying rapplerDec 08 20:41
schestowitzwhich attacked his political enemiesDec 08 20:41
schestowitzI gave the example of Gates Dec 08 20:41
schestowitzbecause he took that to the extremeDec 08 20:41
schestowitzbribed many over 1000 publishersDec 08 20:41
schestowitzeven ones not in EnglishDec 08 20:42
schestowitz 08 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A New Tim Schwab Investigative Report on Bill Gates’ Bribery of the Media and Beyond (for Hagiographies and Salesmanship) | TechrightsDec 08 20:42
vZS1So I did some digging about where these usb device data comes from in the Linux sourceDec 08 20:43
jaggz(another popup I just got.. it is actually text, with an overlay so it's not selectable)Dec 08 20:43
jaggzhandy "inspect element"Dec 08 20:43
vZS1include/linux/input.hDec 08 20:44
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vZS1grep for "struct input_dev - represents"Dec 08 20:45
vZS1That's the breakdownDec 08 20:45
vZS1Of the data structureDec 08 20:45
vZS1Then in "drivers/input/input.c"Dec 08 20:46
vZS1grep for "Bus="Dec 08 20:46
vZS1And compare that to `$ less /proc/bus/input/devices`Dec 08 20:47
vZS1Those three piece together the whole picture of where the stuff like lsusb(8) get their output fromDec 08 20:49
vZS1This isn't in the documentation, at all. I had to sniff out from the source.Dec 08 20:53
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vZS1I swear, it feels like they're just leaving procfs undocumented to make it harder for people to figure out what's going on. The BSDs at least document most of what they're doing.Dec 08 20:56
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schestowitzwho wrote this code?Dec 08 20:58
schestowitzwhich firm?Dec 08 20:58
vZS1Hundreds of lines of comments in C header files isn't documentationDec 08 20:58
vZS1Idk, I didn't checkDec 08 20:58
schestowitzLinux has many hands on itDec 08 20:58
schestowitzincluding NSA boosters'Dec 08 20:58
schestowitzincluding the NSA itselfDec 08 20:59
schestowitzI was told by someone in Red HatDec 08 20:59
schestowitzNSA literally puts lines of code inside LinuxDec 08 20:59
schestowitzBut don't worry, the S in NSA stands for Security, not ShiteDec 08 20:59
schestowitzTorvalds just signs it all off based on names and affinity, he doesn't know what's going on, it's impossible to keep abreast of it allDec 08 21:00
schestowitzall bugs are shallow when you only deal with 50 million lines of code and have 50 hours a weekDec 08 21:00
vZS1This is really oldDec 08 21:01
vZS12007Dec 08 21:01
vZS1Dimitry TorokhovDec 08 21:01
schestowitzBTW, the "shallow" line is an Open Source motto lineDec 08 21:01
schestowitznot Free softwareDec 08 21:01
schestowitzthey sell technical merit, even if just perceivedDec 08 21:01
schestowitzif you accept a 500,000 LOC graphics driver every 3 months and nobody outside the vendors checked even in a hurry, what sort of audit is that?Dec 08 21:02
vZS1So since 2007, no official entry in documentation directory of the source about how input device information can be gatheredDec 08 21:02
schestowitzit's in the code, man...Dec 08 21:03
schestowitzgo figureDec 08 21:03
schestowitzmaybe make a report about it... ON A MAC! ;-)Dec 08 21:03
vZS1The comments are very good though. But a non-C-programmer user wouldn't find them.Dec 08 21:04
schestowitz 08 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dropping Profanity In Kernel Code Comments: Linux Gets "Hugs" - PhoronixDec 08 21:04
vZS1Oh yeahDec 08 21:05
schestowitz 08 21:05
vZS1I've seen profanity everywhereDec 08 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3Dec 08 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux-Kernel Archive: [PATCH RFC 01/15] MIPS: replace **** with a hugDec 08 21:05
vZS1And snide remarksDec 08 21:05
schestowitzvZS1: we'll worry about therapy laterDec 08 21:05
schestowitzhave you seen any "masters" yet?Dec 08 21:05
schestowitzLike drive "master" and "slave"?Dec 08 21:05
vZS1Tbh, they're pretty shitty names to begin withDec 08 21:06
vZS1I prefer stuff like "production" etcDec 08 21:07
vZS1"test"Dec 08 21:07
schestowitzstagingDec 08 21:07
vZS1YeahDec 08 21:07
vZS1The default names are trashDec 08 21:07
schestowitzbut you think of gitDec 08 21:07
schestowitzand similarDec 08 21:07
schestowitznot drivesDec 08 21:07
schestowitzin drives you'd have a main copy of something and a backup or nonmainDec 08 21:08
vZS1PrimaryDec 08 21:08
schestowitzlike replicationDec 08 21:08
vZS1ReplicaDec 08 21:08
vZS1So many better namesDec 08 21:08
vZS1From a technical standpointDec 08 21:09
vZS1Forget about the PC brigadeDec 08 21:09
vZS1This is just better naming conventionsDec 08 21:09
MinceRi don't see why "master"/"slave" would be trashDec 08 21:09
MinceRand now it has the added benefit of triggering crybulliesDec 08 21:09
vZS1I use the word canonical a lotDec 08 21:10
vZS1For drivesDec 08 21:11
vZS1I hope I don't get suedDec 08 21:11
schestowitzGoogle uses the term a lotDec 08 21:11
schestowitze.g. "www"Dec 08 21:11
schestowitzit's also used in my disciplineDec 08 21:11
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schestowitzlike similar forms in the geometric senseDec 08 21:12
vZS1YeahDec 08 21:12
schestowitzthe words are a distraction anywayDec 08 21:12
schestowitztoo much debate about this BSDec 08 21:12
schestowitzand "HEY AYE"Dec 08 21:12
schestowitzand "clown security"Dec 08 21:12
schestowitzwhen the clown itself is the security breachDec 08 21:12
vZS1It's their PC bullshittery with the namesDec 08 21:12
schestowitzyou literally leak your own data and customers' too... to the US armyDec 08 21:12
vZS1You can quietly change the namesDec 08 21:13
schestowitzand they then flatted your CTO/CIODec 08 21:13
vZS1For several good reasonsDec 08 21:13
schestowitz"modernisation"Dec 08 21:13
vZS1But noDec 08 21:13
schestowitz"moving forward"Dec 08 21:13
schestowitz"agile"Dec 08 21:13
schestowitzall that jazzDec 08 21:13
vZS1Put a big banner everywhereDec 08 21:13
vZS1Real genuine concernDec 08 21:13
schestowitz*flatterDec 08 21:13
schestowitznot flattenDec 08 21:13
vZS1Especially from companies that discriminate so muchDec 08 21:14
schestowitz"we are moving to the clown"Dec 08 21:14
vZS1But people but into the BSDec 08 21:14
schestowitzbecause some "analyst"-sponsored magazine with gloss said it's the "thing" nowDec 08 21:14
vZS1s/but/buyDec 08 21:14
schestowitzthe HEY HI on the clown will detect who discriminatesDec 08 21:14
schestowitzand then dispatch a warningDec 08 21:14
vZS1And they pick BLM as the time to do it as wellDec 08 21:15
vZS1How much more crass can they getDec 08 21:16
vZS1It looks like Linux is just aggressively expanding procfs with more stuff and is hoping systemd will handle everything. And creating more of a mess.Dec 08 21:24
vZS1I had a look at some of the recent documentation committs. I saw loads dedicated to some TV driversDec 08 21:25
vZS1"vidtv"Dec 08 21:27
vZS1Priorities!Dec 08 21:27
schestowitzin the KERNEL?Dec 08 21:27
schestowitzwhy?Dec 08 21:27
vZS1YesDec 08 21:27
schestowitzDRM?Dec 08 21:27
vZS1Don't ask meDec 08 21:27
schestowitzkernel-level lock-down?Dec 08 21:27
vZS1No. It's driversDec 08 21:28
vZS1Not DRMDec 08 21:28
vZS1But I brought this up earlierDec 08 21:28
schestowitzsome TVs run LinuxDec 08 21:28
schestowitzTizen OSDec 08 21:28
schestowitzThey claim to run the most TVsDec 08 21:28
schestowitznot most overallDec 08 21:28
vZS1A lot of device driver codeDec 08 21:28
vZS1ActuallyDec 08 21:28
schestowitzbut most among the shares of different 'distros;Dec 08 21:28
vZS1Too much device driver codeDec 08 21:28
schestowitzthey can share codeDec 08 21:29
schestowitzsome doDec 08 21:29
schestowitzcommonalitiesDec 08 21:29
schestowitzgreg k-h might be able to explainDec 08 21:29
schestowitzI know about webcamsDec 08 21:29
schestowitzsome people write a driver for oneDec 08 21:29
schestowitzand it then enables hundreds more to workDec 08 21:29
schestowitzbut I don't know the low-level detailsDec 08 21:29
schestowitzI suppose they use similar APIsDec 08 21:29
vZS1My question is why bloat the kernel repo with driver codeDec 08 21:30
vZS1That should be in their own repoDec 08 21:30
vZS1They can pull it in with submodulesDec 08 21:30
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vZS1The interfaces are the important thingDec 08 21:31
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vZS1It's effort to swim through all this extra history and code to find the core functionalityDec 08 21:31
vZS1I don't want to know what TV driver is the hot thing with Linux rn.Dec 08 21:32
mjg59Because the kernel doesn't export any sort of stable internal ABIDec 08 21:33
mjg59Any changes have to be made simultaneously across the entire treeDec 08 21:33
mjg59Which you can't do if you're using submodulesDec 08 21:33
schestowitzsounds like design problemDec 08 21:34
schestowitzcan that be corrected?Dec 08 21:34
schestowitzmicrokernels would have better modularityDec 08 21:34
mjg59There's no technical reason for thisDec 08 21:35
mjg59It's a policy decisionDec 08 21:35
schestowitzwell, tbh, if it's all still in C, then that in itself is a design problemDec 08 21:35
vZS1It's not thatDec 08 21:35
vZS1This is about keeping the repo tidyDec 08 21:35
vZS1C is still a good programming language for systemsDec 08 21:36
vZS1But that's not the point hereDec 08 21:36
schestowitzbetter than rust or some other microsoft-controlled thingDec 08 21:37
schestowitzwith good namespace C can be OKDec 08 21:37
schestowitzand easier for a new adopterDec 08 21:37
schestowitzbut I mean, look at the scale of itDec 08 21:37
schestowitzTorvalds just never really studied high-level programmingDec 08 21:38
schestowitzso he rejects it on the basis of personal comfort zone/convenienceDec 08 21:38
schestowitz Dec 08 21:38
schestowitzhmm... Android onlyDec 08 21:38
schestowitzsounds.... not so legitDec 08 21:39
vZS1I see where you're coming from but C is fast. Faster than anything that isn't assemblyDec 08 21:39
vZS1That's important when you are writing a kernel or core utilitiesDec 08 21:39
vZS1Try reimplementing GNU find in a high-level language and see how it compares with the C implementationDec 08 21:40
schestowitzdepends on the compiler reallyDec 08 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Release: Tor Browser 10.5a5 (Android Only) | Tor BlogDec 08 21:42
vZS1With the right algorithms and GCC, C is probably not going anywhere any time soon.Dec 08 21:42
vZS1But it'd be great to see a more abstract language with similar performance.Dec 08 21:43
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vZS1There are ones out there. They just need time to catch up.Dec 08 21:43
schestowitzcompiler has other aspects to itDec 08 21:44
schestowitzanother language might be fineDec 08 21:44
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schestowitzbut how it compiles for different arch may varyDec 08 21:44
schestowitzso you can end up with fine code that becomes crap on arm or powerDec 08 21:44
vZS1That just comes with being newDec 08 21:44
schestowitzi doubt linux cares much about performance anywayDec 08 21:44
vZS1I just hope it isn't RustDec 08 21:44
schestowitzit's bloated and it also works closely with systemd and kdbus etc.Dec 08 21:45
vZS1Because screw working with a language that doesn't even have a specificationDec 08 21:45
schestowitzthose are added complexity and bloatDec 08 21:45
schestowitzfor things that could otherwise be very simpleDec 08 21:45
schestowitzrust is MicrosoftDec 08 21:45
schestowitzShitHubDec 08 21:45
schestowitzand they censor Microsoft criticsDec 08 21:45
schestowitzthey're overzealous about social control and speech policingDec 08 21:46
schestowitzMicrosoft might even hire the teamDec 08 21:46
schestowitzmaybe they first wait for many projects to become rust-dependentDec 08 21:46
schestowitzthe submarine/ambush strategy, like buying GitHubDec 08 21:46
schestowitzGNOME has some people dabbling in rustDec 08 21:46
schestowitzand some want rust to be inside LinuxDec 08 21:46
vZS1Rust forces people to use cargoDec 08 21:47
schestowitz 08 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | TechrightsDec 08 21:47
vZS1These new languages all try to draw in unsuspecting beginners to become wholly dependent on their packaging/build systems.Dec 08 21:49
vZS1Then they struggle moving somewhere else.Dec 08 21:50
vZS1It's pretty evilDec 08 21:50
schestowitzsame for isDec 08 21:50
schestowitzosDec 08 21:50
schestowitzsnaps, rpm...Dec 08 21:50
vZS1YeahDec 08 21:51
schestowitzI stopped writing GUIsDec 08 21:51
schestowitzused to make lots of themDec 08 21:51
schestowitzthen realised I was making s chain of redundant dependenciesDec 08 21:51
schestowitzcogl (opengl)Dec 08 21:51
schestowitzgtkDec 08 21:51
schestowitzoctaveDec 08 21:51
schestowitzgnu utilities and their unix equivalents barely change for half a centuryDec 08 21:52
schestowitznot they try to kill off xorg as wellDec 08 21:52
vZS1I only use graphics for data visualizationDec 08 21:52
schestowitzI used many x interfacesDec 08 21:52
schestowitzso wayland if OUT of the questionDec 08 21:52
vZS1And mediaDec 08 21:52
schestowitzgplot can abstract away some of itDec 08 21:52
schestowitzgnuplotDec 08 21:53
vZS1Yeah. Python has good plotting libraries tooDec 08 21:53
schestowitzpython kills off old codeDec 08 21:53
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schestowitzlike some python2 functionsDec 08 21:53
schestowitzsame issue in phpDec 08 21:53
schestowitzthere's the term "technical debt"Dec 08 21:53
schestowitzin here it's something like "wasted investment"Dec 08 21:54
schestowitzyou put in lots of time to make somethingDec 08 21:54
vZS1If they kill off my old code I'll just run it sandboxedDec 08 21:54
schestowitzand then against your will you code gets obsoleteDec 08 21:54
schestowitzbecause of someone else's decisionDec 08 21:54
schestowitzimagemagick still works mostly OKDec 08 21:54
schestowitzgimp keeps changingDec 08 21:55
schestowitzfar too muchDec 08 21:55
schestowitztheir GUI is a circus, keeps changing too much across major releasesDec 08 21:55
vZS1Why don't you just stick to a version that works for youDec 08 21:55
schestowitzGIMP 3.x took me a while to get used to, and only barely manageable after I added many add-ons to itDec 08 21:55
schestowitzthey go for the "UX" BSDec 08 21:55
schestowitzremoving optionsDec 08 21:55
schestowitzmaking one big windowsDec 08 21:55
schestowitzruining fine workflowDec 08 21:56
schestowitzand compelling you to hunt for libraries that used to be in the core packageDec 08 21:56
vZS1Moving target syndromeDec 08 21:56
schestowitz[21:55] <vZS1> Why don't you just stick to a version that works for youDec 08 21:56
schestowitzyou think low-level stuffDec 08 21:56
schestowitzwith gimp they don't package old onesDec 08 21:56
schestowitzunless you run an old distro in a VMDec 08 21:56
schestowitzthey don't have a gimp-1-3 and gimp2 packageDec 08 21:57
schestowitzit's use the latest of "f off"Dec 08 21:57
schestowitz*orDec 08 21:57
schestowitzxchat became .xchat2Dec 08 21:57
vZS1You might want to just take the trouble to figure out a source buildDec 08 21:57
schestowitzgimp became .gimp2Dec 08 21:57
schestowitznow higherDec 08 21:57
schestowitzbecause they're revamping the whole thingDec 08 21:57
vZS1Packages will always be out of your controlDec 08 21:58
schestowitzThat's what she saidDec 08 21:58
vZS1Anyway. I'm off to bed now. GnDec 08 21:58
schestowitzgnDec 08 21:58
DaemonFC[m]Internet Explorer is a good example of technical debt.Dec 08 22:00
DaemonFC[m]Maybe the best one.Dec 08 22:00
DaemonFC[m]They have to keep it or applications break. More specifically, they even have to keep a rendering personality from the version they released 19 years ago, or applications break.Dec 08 22:01
schestowitzactivex alsoDec 08 22:01
schestowitzthey added things just to sabotage rivalsDec 08 22:01
DaemonFC[m]Since it's there, it's a constant source of security problems. They have to keep patching and patching it.Dec 08 22:01
schestowitzand then they're expected to carry them alongDec 08 22:01
schestowitzwith all the security issues those entailDec 08 22:01
schestowitzlike access to disk by a  remote siteDec 08 22:01
schestowitz"feature"Dec 08 22:01
schestowitzto make Netscape not workDec 08 22:01
schestowitzyeah, I see you beat me to itDec 08 22:02
schestowitzre securityDec 08 22:02
DaemonFC[m]Oh, they shove plug-ins you don't want into other people's browsers too.Dec 08 22:02
DaemonFC[m]I can't imagine that Firefox didn't have Microsoft in mind along with malware droppers when they started doing extension signing enforcement.Dec 08 22:02
schestowitzthose are opposed to software freedomDec 08 22:03
schestowitzthere are other meansDec 08 22:03
schestowitzfor establishing trustDec 08 22:03
schestowitzto engineer control over the user you exaggerate a crisisDec 08 22:04
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla still signs Bypass Paywalls.Dec 08 22:04
schestowitzand offer solutions that resruct usersDec 08 22:04
schestowitzplacing more control in the hands of vendorsDec 08 22:04
DaemonFC[m]But they threw it out of their add-ons store because of what it can doDec 08 22:04
schestowitzthere are police dept. equivalentsDec 08 22:04
schestowitz(in the "real world") IRLDec 08 22:04
schestowitzMozilla is a mess nowDec 08 22:04
schestowitz 08 22:04
schestowitz" #mozilla : we discourage or blocking you from accessing sites without certs, but our own browser #firefox spies on you so we're hypocrites wrt #privacy "Dec 08 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsDec 08 22:05
DaemonFC[m]At least there is an off setting for the telemetry.Dec 08 22:05
DaemonFC[m]Unlike Windows, where you can only muzzle it a little, as much as they allow you to.Dec 08 22:05
schestowitzvArmed Individuals Surround MI Sec of State's Home Demanding Overturn of #Election Dec 08 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Armed Individuals Surround MI Sec of State's Home Demanding Overturn of ElectionDec 08 22:05
schestowitzoh wowDec 08 22:05
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DaemonFC[m]Lemonade, my renter's insurance company, suspended the ability to change your policy due to "ongoing events in your area".Dec 08 22:09
DaemonFC[m]Sounds to me like they probably had an uptick in break-ins and they want to just sit there and stop people from upping their policy limits to cut their losses.Dec 08 22:10
schestowitzhmmm..Dec 08 22:11
schestowitzinsurers would have many issues nowDec 08 22:12
schestowitzmore claimsDec 08 22:12
schestowitzand some who cannot pay for their policies anymoreDec 08 22:12
schestowitzwe need to renew our home insurance this monthDec 08 22:12
schestowitzat least we both still workDec 08 22:12
schestowitzworse off are the estate companiesDec 08 22:14
schestowitzesp. commercial estatesDec 08 22:14
DaemonFC[m]Supreme Court issues death blow to outgoing one term failed president Trump's fraud against the voters.Dec 08 22:14
schestowitzmalls, office space...Dec 08 22:14
schestowitzthe mortgage takersDec 08 22:14
DaemonFC[m]That's what I said to dad to go along with this....Dec 08 22:14
DaemonFC[m] 08 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supreme Court rejects Pennsylvania Republicans' attempt to block Biden victory - CNNPoliticsDec 08 22:14
schestowitzor people who took a mortgage based on some rental payments they collect (but no longer do)Dec 08 22:14
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The Supreme Court handed down a ruling refusing to block the certification in Pennsylvania.Dec 08 22:14
DaemonFC[m]CNN reports that there were no dissenters in the court's decision.Dec 08 22:15
DaemonFC[m]That's hilarious.Dec 08 22:15
schestowitzso even Trump's two testicles 'betrayed' himDec 08 22:15
DaemonFC[m]Three of Trump's judges wouldn't play along, including Amy Coney Barrett, who he said he was appointing because he expected her to rig the election for him.Dec 08 22:15
schestowitzand the women he put there to replace RBGDec 08 22:16
schestowitz*womanDec 08 22:16
DaemonFC[m]She's on the court for life. She doesn't have to do anything for him.Dec 08 22:16
schestowitzyeah, you beat me to itDec 08 22:16
schestowitzshe is youngDec 08 22:16
DaemonFC[m]You can't fire a supreme court judge. They'd have to be impeached.Dec 08 22:16
schestowitzso can be there to cause damage for as long as 50 yarsDec 08 22:16
schestowitzif the US and SCOTUS last that longDec 08 22:17
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but several of the Republican judges aren't going to last that long.Dec 08 22:17
search_socialcheating in elections is a good way to make sure us doesn't last longDec 08 22:17
DaemonFC[m]Clarence Thomas is likely the next one to die. He's an old black man.Dec 08 22:17
DaemonFC[m]Even with a Supreme Court judge's government health insurance, you're not going to live forever.Dec 08 22:17
schestowitzScalia died in his 'ranch'Dec 08 22:18
schestowitzafaik, he wasn't living healthyDec 08 22:18
DaemonFC[m]What Barrett is to RBG, Thomas was to Thurgood Marshall. Dec 08 22:18
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans knew there'd be hell to pay in the election if they didn't appoint some black guy.Dec 08 22:19
schestowitzlooked like some chops eater or some pseudo-rugged typeDec 08 22:19
DaemonFC[m]So here's some right-wing token n****r that'll play ball why not.Dec 08 22:19
DaemonFC[m]That's all that went on there, as far as they were concerned.Dec 08 22:19
schestowitzthere was a sex scnadal tooDec 08 22:19
schestowitzThomasDec 08 22:19
schestowitzway to have leverageDec 08 22:20
DaemonFC[m]Just a few decades removed from black people being pulled off the bus and beaten within an inch of their life if they sat in front of a white person. By the police.Dec 08 22:20
DaemonFC[m]And here they find a right-wing black guy to be on the court.Dec 08 22:20
search_socialthat's cuz he knows what white libs like you do to black peopleDec 08 22:20
schestowitz"libs"?Dec 08 22:21
schestowitz"lib not found"Dec 08 22:21
schestowitzthe police who aggress and  abuse blacks are typically voting right-wingDec 08 22:21
schestowitznot "libs"Dec 08 22:21
schestowitzto claim that republicans are more compassionate towards blacks than "libs" is laughable and outlandishDec 08 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Did you mean /usr/lib?Dec 08 22:22
search_socialwell if you don't believe me you can ask black people yourselfDec 08 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Let me correct that for you with a symlink.Dec 08 22:22
DaemonFC[m]-FedoraDec 08 22:22
search_socialthere's a reason blacks are voting for Trump in drovesDec 08 22:23
schestowitzin Florida about 90% of black people voter NOT for TrumpDec 08 22:23
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, all 8% of them who responded positively to Trump's toxicity. Dec 08 22:23
search_socialand it's cuz they are tired of dem liesDec 08 22:23
schestowitzbecause they know who called countries like Nigeria "shithole"Dec 08 22:23
search_socialof course dems are very angry that blacks are leaving the dem planationDec 08 22:23
search_socialand so constantly slur every black that isn't a dem slaveDec 08 22:23
DaemonFC[m]Trump went off the rails at the debate and into needlessly pissing off voters, some of which would have supported him until he said their home countries were filthy and backwards.Dec 08 22:23
DaemonFC[m]Or the country that their parents were from, you know.Dec 08 22:24
search_socialthey areDec 08 22:24
search_socialblacks realize that dems are all talk and no action and they are tired of itDec 08 22:24
DaemonFC[m]Well, and he won't be the president anymore next month because he needlessly went out of his way to call them shithole countries again.Dec 08 22:24
search_socialcuz they areDec 08 22:24
DaemonFC[m]That's probably all it took in at least a couple states.Dec 08 22:24
DaemonFC[m]No, America has rapidly turned into a shithole country because of Trump.Dec 08 22:25
search_socialcuz of demsDec 08 22:25
DaemonFC[m]It's a plague colony with passports that have been voided out because he went golfing and then told Pfizer he didn't want enough vaccine doses.Dec 08 22:25
search_sociali like how yesterday you were smart enough to realize pfizer is corruptDec 08 22:25
DaemonFC[m]You can't use your passport as an American anymore because we're seen as diseased.Dec 08 22:25
search_socialbut today it's back to trusting pfizer blindlyDec 08 22:25
DaemonFC[m]I think, like it or not, we're going to need as many doses of that vaccine as we can get.Dec 08 22:26
search_socialyesterdayDec 08 22:26
search_socialyou were literallyDec 08 22:26
search_socialsmart enoughDec 08 22:26
search_socialto point how taking an untested vac ine from big pharma is a bad ideaDec 08 22:26
search_socialbut todayDec 08 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Because even if we had to stop it because there's something wrong, it's a small risk to come up with the money to have them.Dec 08 22:26
search_socialit's back to insanityDec 08 22:26
DaemonFC[m]It's definitely going to cost our economy more to not have a vaccine than it will to risk a relatively small amount of money on stockpiling a vaccine that might not be usable.Dec 08 22:27
DaemonFC[m]It's like an insurance policy, we buy them, it's not an investment. It's risk management. Dec 08 22:28
DaemonFC[m]People who don't understand that end up insuring things that they could afford to replace at a cost that's not worth it, and not insuring things that they can't afford to lose.Dec 08 22:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Dec 08 22:29
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Dec 08 22:29
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Dec 08 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Trolling Felta.Dec 08 22:30
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: 08 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A firm that helps protect businesses and cities from cyberattacks just got hit by one - CNNDec 08 22:31
DaemonFC[m] 08 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Goya CEO names Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 'employee of the month,' claiming her tweets boosted sales - CNNDec 08 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Trump grinning like an idiot with a pile of Goya products is the reason I will never buy one again.Dec 08 22:33
schestowitz[22:31] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz:  << Ariadne knows themDec 08 22:34
schestowitzthe ironyDec 08 22:34
DaemonFC[m]So let me get this straight.....a boycott is suppression of speech and you're furious and going crazy on Twitter, while at the same time insisting sales have never been better.Dec 08 22:34
schestowitzthis is not newsDec 08 22:35
schestowitzit's "tweets" packaged as "news"Dec 08 22:35
schestowitztypical CNNDec 08 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Of course, Goya is a private company and so does not have to publish their sales to the public, but I doubt very much that the family that owns the company would be as angry at their CEO as they are had he not done net damage to the brand.Dec 08 22:35
schestowitzthere's more important type of stories to coverDec 08 22:36
schestowitzthan some 'tweet wars'Dec 08 22:36
DaemonFC[m]They don't even have to cook the books for the SEC reports like Microsoft does.Dec 08 22:36
DaemonFC[m]To bandage over Windows, which is bleeding, and being propped up by mass firing, untested updates, and subsidies flowing in from subscriptions, XBOX, and Azure. Dec 08 22:36
schestowitzeverything is clown nowDec 08 22:37
Ariadnelol fire eyeDec 08 22:37
schestowitzreclassify as clownDec 08 22:37
schestowitzclown is the futureDec 08 22:37
schestowitzignore azure layoffsDec 08 22:37
Ariadnesome malware was built as an alpine docker containerDec 08 22:37
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Bill Gates touted, in 2003, that Windows Server 2003 was the "most tested" version of Windows ever released, with a team of well over 3,500 full time product testers.Dec 08 22:37
Ariadneso fireeye saidDec 08 22:38
schestowitzthings are thus great, buy more MSFT shares!! Help the ponzi scheme.Dec 08 22:38
Ariadnethe packages that malware downloadedDec 08 22:38
DaemonFC[m]Guess what. There are 0 product testers. It's all telemetry and using a certain percentage of customers as guinea pigs for broken updates now.Dec 08 22:38
Ariadnewere malwareDec 08 22:38
schestowitztypicalDec 08 22:38
Ariadnewe had to threaten to sue them to get them to fuck offDec 08 22:38
schestowitzso you can install malwareDec 08 22:38
schestowitzon aplineDec 08 22:38
schestowitzas alpine as malwareDec 08 22:38
DaemonFC[m]If you do have to use Windows 10, you should set it to delay updates.Dec 08 22:38
schestowitzso alpine lets you shoot yourselfDec 08 22:38
DaemonFC[m]I think it lets you delay them by like 2 weeks or so after they become available.Dec 08 22:39
Ariadnewell somebody built a malwareDec 08 22:39
Ariadnewhich used alpine docker containerDec 08 22:39
DaemonFC[m]That gives someone else time to step in it and for a broken update to be retracted before your computer pulls it in.Dec 08 22:39
schestowitzAriadne: same as some android and linux stuff...Dec 08 22:39
Ariadneso the stuff the docker container downloaded fireeye concluded was malware itselfDec 08 22:39
schestowitzyou can't stop people doing that, but you can prevent them putting that on your systemDec 08 22:39
schestowitzwget is malwareDec 08 22:40
Ariadneright precisely Dec 08 22:40
schestowitzbecause you can run wget <some malware | shDec 08 22:40
schestowitzsh 0Dec 08 22:40
schestowitzsh -Dec 08 22:40
Ariadnelike i said we had to threaten to sue themDec 08 22:40
Ariadneto make them stopDec 08 22:40
Ariadnebecause some security researcher had his head up his assDec 08 22:40
schestowitzthey start with the conclusionDec 08 22:40
schestowitzsee zdnetDec 08 22:40
schestowitzany weekDec 08 22:40
schestowitzLinux... something malwareDec 08 22:41
Ariadneand management was likeDec 08 22:41
schestowitzand then it turns out some stuff that can run on linux does a bad thingDec 08 22:41
Ariadnewe stand by the researcherDec 08 22:41
Ariadneso it was likeDec 08 22:41
Ariadneoh okDec 08 22:41
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft mentions if you use Insider Builds of Windows, it ignores your telemetry setting.Dec 08 22:41
schestowitzand they don't bother explaining why it'd get onto linux... or how the kernel is to blameDec 08 22:41
Ariadnewe will just sue you then for defamationDec 08 22:41
DaemonFC[m]So Basic is treated as Enhanced.Dec 08 22:41
Ariadnei bet they wouldn’t have done that to fedoraDec 08 22:41
Ariadnecause they know red hat would have sued their assDec 08 22:41
schestowitzwho still uses fedora? :-)Dec 08 22:42
schestowitzred hat is canning centos nowDec 08 22:42
Ariadnemy mother doesDec 08 22:42
schestowitzrolling it onto a tumbleweedDec 08 22:42
DaemonFC[m]I wasn't happy with what happened to their KDE SIG.Dec 08 22:42
DaemonFC[m]It's down to less than a skeleton crew.Dec 08 22:42
schestowitzIBM has many skeletons... in the closerDec 08 22:43
DaemonFC[m]One person who has been there from the KDE on Red Hat beginning (Rex Dieter), and a few part timers who mostly use Edge on Windows 10.Dec 08 22:43
schestowitz*closetDec 08 22:43
DaemonFC[m]It's completely falling apart.Dec 08 22:43
DaemonFC[m]Fedora's KDE spin has totally gone off the rails.Dec 08 22:43
schestowitzRex Dieter never responded to my emailDec 08 22:43
schestowitzthe poor guyDec 08 22:43
schestowitzitalian in australia, gave him life away to this projectDec 08 22:43
schestowitzhard boring workDec 08 22:43
schestowitzand canned for no good reasonsDec 08 22:44
schestowitzmaybe joking at some companiesDec 08 22:44
schestowitzas a volunteer rightly shouldDec 08 22:44
DaemonFC[m]There are constantly things going on in the guts of the operating system that KDE is not ready for, and they bubble up as strange errors that seem to happen for no particular reason.Dec 08 22:44
DaemonFC[m]It's been like this for years.Dec 08 22:44
schestowitznot on my current setupDec 08 22:44
schestowitzwhich is very predictableDec 08 22:44
DaemonFC[m]When systemd landed, they shipped the release anyway even though KDE wasn't able to reboot using systemd.Dec 08 22:44
schestowitzI can barely thing of a bug that I keep seeingDec 08 22:44
DaemonFC[m]So you'd tell it to reboot and nothing would happen.Dec 08 22:44
schestowitzmany konqueror has a fewDec 08 22:44
schestowitz*maybeDec 08 22:45
schestowitzi think due to a corrupt profileDec 08 22:45
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If you depend on KDE at all, you need to go with a distribution that slows the insanity down and freezes packages in a known good state and then does long term support.Dec 08 22:45
schestowitzcausing it to crash unless I start is safely rather than restore a sessionDec 08 22:45
DaemonFC[m]Because these fly by the seat of your pants distributions are breaking KDE all the time.Dec 08 22:45
schestowitz2,427 deaths now, TX not reporting yetDec 08 22:47
schestowitzTX can be +200Dec 08 22:47
schestowitz3,000 still attainable for the dayDec 08 22:47
schestowitzsome states lock down nowDec 08 22:47
schestowitzUK will revise status Dec 16thDec 08 22:47
schestowitzday before my bdayDec 08 22:47
schestowitzthis thursday we get free massageDec 08 22:47
schestowitzwell, massively discounted, not freeDec 08 22:48
schestowitzall the parlors are doing massive discounts and few remained open at allDec 08 22:48
schestowitzthe whole hospitality sector collapsedDec 08 22:48
schestowitzMy sister flew to UAEDec 08 22:49
schestowitzwith the whole familyDec 08 22:49
schestowitzwhat kind of person flies in December with COVID?Dec 08 22:49
schestowitzThe US passport is a warning sign nowDec 08 22:49
schestowitz110,133/1m infected/positiveDec 08 22:50
schestowitzthat's more than 1 in 10Dec 08 22:50
schestowitzin DakotaDec 08 22:50
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Kubuntu LTS tends to work fine even though the 6 month releases can get a bit hairy.Dec 08 22:51
schestowitzthey don't invest in allDec 08 22:51
schestowitzjust the LTSDec 08 22:51
schestowitzor just get latest Debian "Stable"Dec 08 22:51
DaemonFC[m]That's because Ubuntu is trying to base their release cycles for the short term versions on GNOME and gets it working, and their attitude with KDE is "I'm not gonna pay a lot for this muffler.".Dec 08 22:51
schestowitztheir KDE build is very good IMEDec 08 22:51
schestowitzfor rianne alsoDec 08 22:51
schestowitzDebian/KDEDec 08 22:52
schestowitzBrazil was going to adopt it in all schools a decade agoDec 08 22:52
DaemonFC[m]But with the LTS they slow down and usually don't ship the latest systemd, and work on bugs that they normally wouldn't bother with and not introduce a ton of big features, and ship an LTS version of Plasma, KDE Applications, and Qt.Dec 08 22:52
DaemonFC[m]So it's going to work much better.Dec 08 22:52
DaemonFC[m]If I wait for Debian 11, I'm going to have to deal with Windows 10 for a few weeks.Dec 08 22:53
DaemonFC[m]My experience with Debian is not much, a long time ago, and it was pretty terrible when I did install it.Dec 08 22:53
DaemonFC[m]The desktop role didn't get any fit and finish, at all.Dec 08 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Do they even do live installers now so you can see what you get first?Dec 08 22:54
DaemonFC[m]I like the live installer method because it lets me assess the state of support for the hardware in the computer that I am evaluating the operating system on.Dec 08 22:55
DaemonFC[m]The last thing you want to do is install it and then reboot and find out it doesn't boot, or it doesn't support your graphics or wifi at all or something.Dec 08 22:55
DaemonFC[m]Now you've gotten rid of an OS that at least worked (Windows probably, but hey) and you have a complete mess on your hands.Dec 08 22:56
DaemonFC[m]I usually kick around a few distributions and see who supports my new computer the best, and with new hardware it's tricky.Dec 08 22:57
DaemonFC[m]Usually, the newest kernel and Mesa that you can find are what's most likely to work.Dec 08 22:57
DaemonFC[m]Intel is still landing Tiger Lake stuff in Linux-next, so I'm sure that this Linux 5.6-OEM kernel that my new laptop is certified with doesn't actually work as well as a later kernel.Dec 08 22:58
psydroidI only started using Debian on real hardware in 2017, as it finally seemed stable and "not-buggy" enoughDec 08 22:59
DaemonFC[m]I do every sanity check I can think of to make sure the installation goes over well, including testing the files on the installer to make sure they match their checksums.Dec 08 22:59
DaemonFC[m]It only takes a few minutes and then you at least know you're not dealing with a corrupt live installer. Dec 08 22:59
psydroidI think it's better than Ubuntu now in terms of drivers and software workingDec 08 23:00
psydroidBut yes, the installer could use some workDec 08 23:00
psydroidAnd it was also buggy for Debian 10 releases on non-x86 architecturesDec 08 23:00
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tr_guest|44886why do u think system1 bought startpage and waterfox?Dec 08 23:19
tr_guest|44886like what would be the motive?Dec 08 23:19
tr_guest|44886and waterfox is open source they can't do anything too shadyDec 08 23:19
smnthermes 08 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Join the anti-establishment | The Firefox FrontierDec 08 23:24
smnthermesHahahahahahaDec 08 23:24
MinceRdoes "joining the anti-establishment" require poetteringaudio?Dec 08 23:26
MinceRif so, they can count me outDec 08 23:26
cybrNauttr_guest|44886: system1 is an ad company, so startpage is a way to push the ads.  Buying a browser would be a way to control the default search engine, and probably phone home with data for marketingDec 08 23:37
tr_guest|44886@cybrNaut but waterfox is open source and most of the people using it are privacy educated. if they do something like this almost everyone will abandon waterfoxDec 08 23:39
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