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| GNUmoon2 | Not sure if this has already been seen here, but just heard M$ has updated it's patent from 2011 on monitoring "lazy" workers remotely. | Dec 08 00:16 |
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| GNUmoon2 | https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/microsoft-patents-software-that-detects-lazy-employees/ | Dec 08 00:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nypost.com | Microsoft patents software that detects lazy employees | Dec 08 00:16 | |
| GNUmoon2 | From 2011: https://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-patents-idea-monitoring-employee-habits-201608138.html | Dec 08 00:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Microsoft Patents Idea for Monitoring Employee Work Habits | Dec 08 00:16 | |
| GNUmoon2 | https://www.geekwire.com/2011/microsoft-software-detect-obnoxious-workplace-habits/ | Dec 08 00:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft software would detect, score and report obnoxious workplace habits - GeekWire | Dec 08 00:17 | |
| GNUmoon2 | Looks like MS started this "innovation" back in 2008. | Dec 08 00:18 |
| GNUmoon2 | https://slashdot.org/story/08/01/16/1427242/Microsoft-to-Spy-on-Employees | Dec 08 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | Microsoft to Spy on Employees - Slashdot | Dec 08 00:18 | |
| psydroid | Microsoft has reinvented itself as The Spying Company, a.k.a. Microspy | Dec 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was hoping that more good than harm would come from IBM merging with Red Hat. | Dec 08 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That they would have a bunch of money and more or less leave it alone. | Dec 08 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they don't appear to be interested in a lot except keeping RHEL around in someone else's chains. | Dec 08 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A virtual machine OS for "cloud". | Dec 08 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's kind of ridiculous that IBM, which has their roots in timesharing and mainframes, would seek to do this Hyper-V and Azure stuff. | Dec 08 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd think that they could keep it in house and all the profits from the customers who are interested in using it like that. | Dec 08 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: So I was reading over those messages that Maricel actually did send to Mandy last year just because I happened to see them. She was trying to say I was some kind of a loser who "could only read about the real life". | Dec 08 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I assume that's some sort of an insult. I wonder how the Coronavirus has been treating them. Not just if they've had it, but what it's done. Nobody to dangle "the real life" (lots of debt) in front of. | Dec 08 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At the looks of things, it doesn't actually take a hell of a lot of intelligence to be a nurse if 60% are saying they absolutely will not consider a Coronavirus vaccine. | Dec 08 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the medical profession is saying hard no, and the public in general is saying hard no, then the virus will just have to run its course. | Dec 08 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not just "We'll see what it does to the first people it gets provisioned to." but "Absolutely not. Ever.". | Dec 08 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's a little bit strong even for me. | Dec 08 01:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd just have to see the numbers. | Dec 08 01:30 |
| MinceR | 08 022432 < DaemonFC[m]> That they would have a bunch of money and more or less leave it alone. | Dec 08 01:30 |
| MinceR | that's not "good" | Dec 08 01:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But 200,000 new cases and 1,500 dead on a Monday? | Dec 08 01:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's not good. If those are Monday numbers, and Monday is usually the low point of the week as far as reporting.... | Dec 08 01:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We'll have some over 3,000 days this week. | Dec 08 01:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Last Monday was the 30th, and we had 1,275 dead and 167,000 cases. | Dec 08 01:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By Thursday is was 2,926 dead and 220,000 cases | Dec 08 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So this is going to be an absolutely horrible week. | Dec 08 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By Thursday we may see 3,300 dead and over 250,000 cases | Dec 08 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't been feeling too great today, honestly. | Dec 08 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fatigue, lightheadedness, a bit of a headache that comes and goes. | Dec 08 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been feeling weird for the last week and a half though off and on, and I had been coughing. | Dec 08 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would say not sick so much as not feeling myself. | Dec 08 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even people who get diagnosed with it won't stay home as much as possible. | Dec 08 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because there's simply no way to not miss work. They stop getting their paycheck, they are SCREWED. So, yeah. | Dec 08 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everything that's been going on has been pretty much kabuki theater. | Dec 08 01:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not enough to mitigate, but definitely enough to mess up the economy. | Dec 08 01:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know. I tried to write this off as allergies or something, but right now I feel like I could just fall asleep and stay in bed the rest of the week. | Dec 08 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe that's not a bad idea. | Dec 08 01:41 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/12/603349ab5af13563.jpg | Dec 08 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I hope it's not the CHINA VIRUS! | Dec 08 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All seriousness though.... | Dec 08 01:46 |
| MinceR | a virus made of china? how curious. | Dec 08 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | fine china | Dec 08 01:52 |
| MinceR | extremely fine | Dec 08 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 0.13 microns even. | Dec 08 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Such fine China that the air purifers have to add a disclaimer that they can't filter such fine China. | Dec 08 02:50 |
| schestowitz | [22:48] <MinceR> https://ircz.de/p/20080934 | Dec 08 03:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4812535) | Dec 08 03:07 | |
| schestowitz | very shitty product | Dec 08 03:07 |
| schestowitz | is this ikea joke? | Dec 08 03:07 |
| MinceR | i don't know if it has anything to do with ikea, probably not | Dec 08 03:10 |
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| schestowitz | the spelling of stool | Dec 08 03:17 |
| MinceR | seems german to me | Dec 08 03:18 |
| schestowitz | with ikea joke they'd typically add accents | Dec 08 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're getting rid of the catalogs. | Dec 08 03:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've stopped issuing physical cards for the IKEA Family thing. | Dec 08 03:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a barcode on your phone now. | Dec 08 03:50 |
| schestowitz | so-called 'phone; | Dec 08 03:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Steve Ballmer laughing at the iPhone. | Dec 08 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mentions some Windows Phone that nobody even remembers. How it was $99. Nobody even remembers it now. | Dec 08 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's how Microsoft is with hardware. They make it, they throw lots of money at it. It's in the clearance bin a year or two later. | Dec 08 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The XBOX almost flopped. | Dec 08 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | None of the launch titles were any good. | Dec 08 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It took until Halo just for them to have something that was even kind of worth playing. | Dec 08 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Other than the litigiousness of Nintendo, the quality of their hardware is outstanding. | Dec 08 04:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've had 6 of their consoles and never had a single one of them fail. | Dec 08 04:16 |
| schestowitz | almost flopped? | Dec 08 04:30 |
| schestowitz | is it profitable? | Dec 08 04:31 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: [19:57] <Patrick> i'm told end of the month shit is being shut down | Dec 08 04:44 |
| Ariadne | re: moving the site | Dec 08 04:44 |
| Ariadne | patrick being one of the people previously involved in the business, who is dealing with the estate | Dec 08 04:44 |
| Ariadne | so we have some time but we probably should not lollygag either | Dec 08 04:45 |
| Ariadne | [22:03] <DaemonFC[m]> The XBOX almost flopped. | Dec 08 04:47 |
| Ariadne | yeah i remember when they demoed it on techtv and it was mostly just dreamcast ports at launch | Dec 08 04:47 |
| Ariadne | with that said it seems this time around the xbox is superior to the ps5 so far | Dec 08 04:50 |
| Ariadne | the real-time ray tracing is neat | Dec 08 04:50 |
| schestowitz | > Smart: | Dec 08 04:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 08 04:52 |
| schestowitz | > https://dontgetanyideas.com/comic/20201127 | Dec 08 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontgetanyideas.com | 70: Definitions - Don't Get Any Ideas | Dec 08 04:52 | |
| schestowitz | > <https://dontgetanyideas.com/comic/20201127> | Dec 08 04:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 08 04:52 |
| schestowitz | > https://dontgetanyideas.com/comic/20201204 | Dec 08 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontgetanyideas.com | 71: Politically Correct - Don't Get Any Ideas | Dec 08 04:52 | |
| schestowitz | > <https://dontgetanyideas.com/comic/20201204> | Dec 08 04:52 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: are you available today for work on site move? | Dec 08 04:53 |
| Ariadne | today i have some alpine stuff to sort | Dec 08 05:01 |
| Ariadne | thursday? | Dec 08 05:01 |
| Ariadne | or weekend | Dec 08 05:01 |
| schestowitz | sounds good! | Dec 08 05:06 |
| Ariadne | this cyberpunk 2077 game has content in it explicitly designed to trigger epileptic episodes | Dec 08 05:15 |
| Ariadne | i wonder if microsoft and sony are going to make them remove that shit | Dec 08 05:16 |
| schestowitz | otherwise, people should remove sony and microsoft | Dec 08 05:18 |
| schestowitz | they probably ought to, regardless.. | Dec 08 05:18 |
| Ariadne | i think microsoft will, they are at least pretending to care about accessibility in gaming | Dec 08 05:18 |
| Ariadne | microsoft do appear to have guidelines on this: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/accessibility/xbox-accessibility-guidelines/118 | Dec 08 05:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.microsoft.com | Xbox Accessibility Guideline 118 - Game Stack | Microsoft Docs | Dec 08 05:21 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft lies about almost everything | Dec 08 05:23 |
| schestowitz | history has shown that repeatedly | Dec 08 05:24 |
| schestowitz | they also lies about their financial performance | Dec 08 05:24 |
| schestowitz | because "everyone is doing it" | Dec 08 05:24 |
| schestowitz | Later they blame corona when the economy collapse | Dec 08 05:24 |
| schestowitz | and they bail out the rich at everybody else's expense | Dec 08 05:24 |
| schestowitz | "tough luck, tighten your belts, people" | Dec 08 05:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "is it profitable?"> According to Microsoft, it's one of their best divisions. | Dec 08 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <Ariadne "with that said it seems this tim"> Well, the PS5 is the one overheating, so. | Dec 08 05:52 |
| Ariadne | xbox is probably profitable | Dec 08 05:53 |
| Ariadne | it seems like its pretty hard to fuck something like that up | Dec 08 05:53 |
| vZS1 | I was reading the GNU Bash 5.1 release notes. Got it in my tuxmachines RSS feed. Just underneath that item I see Phoronix repeating verbatim on the release. Is this Phoronix's MO? | Dec 08 05:53 |
| Ariadne | i think tuxmachines aggregates from phoronix | Dec 08 05:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've been pulling resources away from Windows for some time. | Dec 08 05:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firing people or reassigning them elsewhere. | Dec 08 05:54 |
| Ariadne | looks like we are going back into lockdown | Dec 08 05:55 |
| Ariadne | pray for my data cap | Dec 08 05:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Comcast raised it 20%. How nice of them. | Dec 08 05:57 |
| Ariadne | bruh we have viasat | Dec 08 05:58 |
| Ariadne | if i exceed 60GB i am deprioritized :( | Dec 08 05:58 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | http://techrights.org/2020/09/25/re-last-phase-of-the-desktop-wars/ | Dec 08 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Response to Eric Raymond (ESR) on “Last Phase of the Desktop Wars” | Techrights | Dec 08 06:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have a DEB and RPM package, at least. | Dec 08 06:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it works on Fedora if you really wanted to install it. Finally, that idiot that was rooting for the ban of Kevin Kofler can run Edge on Fedora in WSL2. | Dec 08 06:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What is the point of Edge on Linux? | Dec 08 06:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Today’s release supports Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, and openSUSE distributions." | Dec 08 06:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which means that it probably works on tons more, since they build on these. | Dec 08 06:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also assuming that someone could probably dump out the binaries and repackage it into something else. | Dec 08 06:38 |
| vZS1 | If people trust anyone related to the OSI, they probably swallow crap without asking questions anyway. Nice to see a TR counter-argument. | Dec 08 06:59 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: OSI is dead | Dec 08 09:29 |
| schestowitz | and it knows it | Dec 08 09:29 |
| schestowitz | That's why their General Manager quit some months ago. | Dec 08 09:29 |
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| psydroid | Mac or Windows (shills) or bust | Dec 08 11:24 |
| psydroid | they are using the M1 thing to twist Torvalds's words into him "wanting" an Apple Mac, when all he would really like to see is a powerful enough ARM desktop to do his kernel work on | Dec 08 11:26 |
| psydroid | there is too much at stake not to preserve the status quo | Dec 08 11:27 |
| schestowitz | https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus | Dec 08 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ourworldindata.org | Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data | Dec 08 11:39 | |
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| liberty_box | https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-brit-grandma-90-becomes-23131603 | Dec 08 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mirror.co.uk | Brit grandma, 90, becomes first patient in world to receive Covid-19 jab - Mirror Online | Dec 08 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | BS supreme | Dec 08 12:47 |
| schestowitz | " first patient in world" | Dec 08 12:47 |
| schestowitz | really? | Dec 08 12:47 |
| schestowitz | nope | Dec 08 12:47 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/10/10/bill-gates-in-india/ | Dec 08 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conspiracy Theories Have Successfully Distracted From Perfectly Legitimate and Real Scandals of Bill Gates in India, the Fertile Ground for Unethical Mass Experimentation on Humans | Techrights | Dec 08 12:55 | |
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| schestowitz | x https://www.wired.com/story/amnesia33-iot-vulnerabilitiesmay-never-get-fixed/ | Dec 08 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Critical Flaws in Millions of IoT Devices May Never Get Fixed | WIRED | Dec 08 13:59 | |
| MinceR | (cat) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ1D2STVRK4 | Dec 08 14:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hungry Kitten/ Burger - YouTube | Dec 08 14:19 | |
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| *psydroid uploaded an image: scaled_img20201208152704_01.jpg (221KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/IusoJyZQGmhjVLuaXumGUQSG/scaled_img20201208152704_01.jpg > | Dec 08 15:03 | |
| psydroid | clouds hanging above the EPO | Dec 08 15:04 |
| schestowitz | let's see | Dec 08 15:05 |
| schestowitz | whose photo? | Dec 08 15:05 |
| schestowitz | iirc, one of us lives nearby | Dec 08 15:05 |
| schestowitz | was that you? | Dec 08 15:05 |
| *schestowitz spent the past 2 hours investigating the family of EPO pres. | Dec 08 15:06 | |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: This looks so like Russia. | Dec 08 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | except for the pole, the pole's weird | Dec 08 15:08 |
| psydroid | yes, I just came back from university to pick some stuff up for a lab and realised I wouldn't be taking that tram again for 6 weeks or so | Dec 08 15:08 |
| schestowitz | the date is in the filename | Dec 08 15:09 |
| schestowitz | I can see no other metadata | Dec 08 15:09 |
| psydroid | I don't know, I took it with this "smartphone" | Dec 08 15:09 |
| schestowitz | let me check to be sure | Dec 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | to make sure I get the pronoun right, you're a male, right? | Dec 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | better to check after that last fluke (Mogz) | Dec 08 15:12 |
| psydroid | yes, I am | Dec 08 15:12 |
| psydroid | I could have taken something better if I got off the tram and walked over there, but I just wanted to come home as soon as possible to work on my next assignment | Dec 08 15:14 |
| schestowitz | just to be sure I copied the image afresh, saved the copy | Dec 08 15:14 |
| schestowitz | that always eliminates meta | Dec 08 15:14 |
| schestowitz | unless there are watermarks or something, which is super-rare | Dec 08 15:14 |
| psydroid | oh, that sounds good | Dec 08 15:15 |
| schestowitz | many epo workers have not seen this building in months | Dec 08 15:15 |
| schestowitz | not weeks, months | Dec 08 15:15 |
| schestowitz | they're in 'house arrest' | Dec 08 15:15 |
| psydroid | living and working like that is terrible, no matter what compensation you get | Dec 08 15:17 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/08/clouds-hanging-above-the-epo/ | Dec 08 15:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | “Clouds Hanging Above the EPO” | Techrights | Dec 08 15:17 | |
| schestowitz | check is this is OK with you | Dec 08 15:17 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86 is quoted also | Dec 08 15:17 |
| psydroid | and the worst part is you get so specialised that it's hard to find another job | Dec 08 15:17 |
| schestowitz | EPO workers would want to see this | Dec 08 15:17 |
| psydroid | sure | Dec 08 15:17 |
| schestowitz | yes, many examiners explore contingencies at the moment | Dec 08 15:18 |
| schestowitz | I was told so | Dec 08 15:18 |
| schestowitz | layoffs come to the EPO, big ones... | Dec 08 15:18 |
| psydroid | it looks fine to me | Dec 08 15:18 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/12/69d51f2476f60775.jpg | Dec 08 15:19 |
| schestowitz | can you check another with me, psydroid? | Dec 08 15:19 |
| psydroid | yes, I can | Dec 08 15:20 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/08/antonio-campinos-right-wing/ | Dec 08 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | António Campinos Mastered the ‘Art of Ruling’ His Father Was Strongly Against | Techrights | Dec 08 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | published seconds ago just for you | Dec 08 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I am trying to catch typos | Dec 08 15:21 |
| psydroid | I'm reading it now | Dec 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | cheers! | Dec 08 15:23 |
| psydroid | "self-seving"->" self-serving" | Dec 08 15:26 |
| schestowitz | aha | Dec 08 15:26 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Dec 08 15:26 |
| psydroid | "we continues"->" we continue" | Dec 08 15:26 |
| psydroid | "rather than protect"->" rather than protects" (because you used "works" earlier in the sentence too) | Dec 08 15:28 |
| psydroid | the rest looks fine to me | Dec 08 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | thanks, I'll link to that now | Dec 08 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Ant%C3%B3nio_Campinos | Dec 08 15:30 |
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| psydroid | I'm getting an internal server error now | Dec 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | try again now | Dec 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | I was linking to the site, that generates about 500 hits within seconds | Dec 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | maybe with the new server set up by Ariadne we won't have those issues... it also happens overnight when there are full DB backups taking place | Dec 08 15:34 |
| psydroid | it's still happening for me at least | Dec 08 15:34 |
| schestowitz | I think she even over-provisioned, with 32 CPU cores | Dec 08 15:35 |
| psydroid | so I will have another look in some minutes | Dec 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | the wiki? | Dec 08 15:35 |
| psydroid | yes, the wiki | Dec 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | weird | Dec 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | the load is low | Dec 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | and I see no 5xx errors in apachetop | Dec 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | maybe your browser? | Dec 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | the accents in the URL? | Dec 08 15:36 |
| psydroid | maybe it's my browser | Dec 08 15:36 |
| psydroid | yes, let me try another one | Dec 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | try http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Dec 08 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Dec 08 15:36 | |
| schestowitz | there are 4 404s | Dec 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | in the past 30 secs | Dec 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | some browsers cannot handle URLs for IRC logs' particular line either | Dec 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | something with apostrophes in them, iirc | Dec 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | falkon cannot cope | Dec 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | maybe your IRC client | Dec 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | rather than the browser | Dec 08 15:38 |
| psydroid | it's happening in Firefox, Midori and Chrome here on the "smartphone" | Dec 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | maybe it sends weird URL to your browser | Dec 08 15:38 |
| psydroid | let me turn on my laptop | Dec 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I should from now on avoid accented characters in the wiki altogether | Dec 08 15:39 |
| psydroid | I also get a message about an "insecure connection" | Dec 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | does it block the site? | Dec 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | without some extension forcing https? | Dec 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla decided to follow Google in treating sites that don't have tls like they're malware or something | Dec 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | in latest release, but it's optional only (for now) | Dec 08 15:40 |
| psydroid | I have no such extensions installed | Dec 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | does it just warn or block? | Dec 08 15:41 |
| psydroid | only UBlock Origin and NoScript Suite | Dec 08 15:41 |
| psydroid | It warns and then I press "proceed anyway" | Dec 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | we don't need JS for the site | Dec 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | oh, wow | Dec 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | stupid extensiobns | Dec 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | they're supposed to block ads and JS, respectively | Dec 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | not block sites that don't have a cert | Dec 08 15:42 |
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| psydroid | Falkon deals with the wiki links just fine | Dec 08 15:46 |
| psydroid | let me try the other ones | Dec 08 15:46 |
| schestowitz | wer really need to promote http/web alternatives | Dec 08 15:47 |
| schestowitz | we end up with browser monopolies | Dec 08 15:47 |
| schestowitz | and "trust" monopolies | Dec 08 15:47 |
| schestowitz | they maginalise the 'SMEs' of the Internet] | Dec 08 15:47 |
| psydroid | so it only seems to be happening on the smartphone | Dec 08 15:48 |
| psydroid | and now I'm wondering what else they are blocking with those "smart" devices | Dec 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | actually | Dec 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | since you mention it | Dec 08 15:49 |
| psydroid | yes, that's what I've been saying for a long time | Dec 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | having tls can get your site blocked | Dec 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | older android phones | Dec 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | because | Dec 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | 1) the tls version (iirc 1.3) is "too new" for older phones | Dec 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | so no workaround | Dec 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | 2) letsencrypt abandons some old Android devices also | Dec 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | so to get into some sites you need to throw away the old phone | Dec 08 15:49 |
| psydroid | this one is running Android 9 (ColorOS) | Dec 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | unless it somehow still allows you to add Firefox | Dec 08 15:50 |
| psydroid | which is from last year | Dec 08 15:50 |
| psydroid | the phone is, I mean | Dec 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | we mentioned it here http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/free-privacy-lunch/ | Dec 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | they abandon legacy | Dec 08 15:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Let’s Encrypt is Garbage, Albeit It’s Disguised as ‘Free’ Privacy | Techrights | Dec 08 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | forcing all people to do "smart" | Dec 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | under the guise of "smart" and "secure" CC vZS1 | Dec 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | "new" is "safe" | Dec 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | the latest back doors | Dec 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | and latest GOogle malware as "browser" | Dec 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | https://lwn.net/Articles/836497/rss | Dec 08 15:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fallout from upcoming Let's Encrypt certificate changes [LWN.net] | Dec 08 15:51 | |
| schestowitz | "As described in this Let’s Encrypt blog entry, certificates issued by Let’s Encrypt will soon be signed solely by that organization’s own root certificate, which is accepted by all modern browsers. There is one little catch, though: versions of Android prior to 7.1.1 (released in late 2016) do not recognize that certificate and will start throwing errors. “Currently, 66.2% of Android devices are running version 7.1 or above. | Dec 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | The remaining 33.8% of Android devices will eventually start getting certificate errors when users visit sites that have a Let’s Encrypt certificate. In our communications with large integrators, we have found that this represents around 1-5% of traffic to their sites.” There appears to be little to be done about this problem other than to encourage owners of older Android devices to install Firefox." | Dec 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | IOW: drop dead, people who don't buy new 'phones' | Dec 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | my wife's old phone runs Android 2.x | Dec 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | it's not connected to the network | Dec 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | it's just using wifi, there's not even a phone number for it | Dec 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | so many sites can no longer be accessed.... because 'novelty' | Dec 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | even very simple text sites | Dec 08 15:52 |
| psydroid | I've replaced the roms with AOSP-based ones on all the older phones I have here and the next step would be to run pure GNU/Linux with upstream support on them, but that would require me to put some more time into reverse engineering drivers etc. | Dec 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | good thing we move to ipfs and text only | Dec 08 15:53 |
| psydroid | and even then I'm not sure I would be able to get everything working again | Dec 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | some of these devices are very expensive | Dec 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | even more so if you buy peripherals and accessories to make them useful | Dec 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | like screens, bluetooth keyboard and mice | Dec 08 15:54 |
| vZS1 | psydroid: try grapheneOS | Dec 08 15:54 |
| vZS1 | It should be less of a time investment | Dec 08 15:54 |
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| smnthermes | https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-6.0-released | Dec 08 15:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Qt 6.0 Released | Dec 08 15:54 | |
| schestowitz | usl connectors etc... you're talking about north of $1000 for a lousy PC with the motorola dragonball equivalent of 2020 | Dec 08 15:54 |
| schestowitz | smnthermes: proprietary now? | Dec 08 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You could update the certificates on it, but Android 2.x… that's a bit much. | Dec 08 15:54 |
| psydroid | vZS1, thanks, I will have a look at it, but my biggest worry is that the bootloaders and kernels aren't sufficiently open and mainlined for people to install whatever operating system on them that they want | Dec 08 15:55 |
| psydroid | it definitely looks like a war by these companies on their very own users | Dec 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | smnthermes: I am looking for licensing info | Dec 08 15:56 |
| vZS1 | I'm pretty sure all the Android upstream GrapheneOS is based on is GPL | Dec 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | did they postpone of put aside their proprietary licensing plans/scheme? | Dec 08 15:56 |
| vZS1 | Bootloader, idk | Dec 08 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: How does it web anyway? There are no up-to-date web browsers for Android 2.x. | Dec 08 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | And the old WebKit stuff is plain insecure. | Dec 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | "licen" not found in page | Dec 08 15:57 |
| psydroid | the devices I have here aren't on the list of supported devices, but that's fine | Dec 08 15:58 |
| psydroid | I will need to start my reverse engineering efforts somewhere | Dec 08 15:58 |
| vZS1 | psydroid: They just want to turn every device into a DRM-locked interface. That's why you see things like Chromebooks. | Dec 08 15:59 |
| vZS1 | Low powered, no control. | Dec 08 15:59 |
| psydroid | it's mainly about the kernel, which know reasonably well, but I'm just not up to date with the latest changes | Dec 08 15:59 |
| psydroid | it's a moving target anyway | Dec 08 16:00 |
| psydroid | which I* | Dec 08 16:00 |
| vZS1 | Which kernel? | Dec 08 16:00 |
| psydroid | I mean getting a mainline kernel running on devices rather than some old vendor kernel | Dec 08 16:00 |
| vZS1 | Oh | Dec 08 16:00 |
| psydroid | with binary blobs for drivers | Dec 08 16:01 |
| *gry has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Dec 08 16:01 | |
| schestowitz | or firmware blobs | Dec 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | reminds me of DRM | Dec 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | with their secret hashes | Dec 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | "please enter secret code" | Dec 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | or the 2FA cult | Dec 08 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | let me use TWO -- not ONE -- back-doored "factor" | Dec 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | you only really need one truly secure "factor" | Dec 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | like a private SSH key | Dec 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | (not hosted on Windows... LOL!" | Dec 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft 'supports' SSH | Dec 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | MicrosoftLoveSSH^H^H^H^HNSA | Dec 08 16:05 |
| vZS1 | psydroid: If you'd like to share your work, I can help you sort out an IPFS node like I did for TR. | Dec 08 16:05 |
| psydroid | I had to do that for one phone, an old Sony Xperia T | Dec 08 16:05 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/06/03/windows-ssh/ | Dec 08 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Wants to Remove (or Deprecate) PuTTY From Windows and Replace It With Proprietary Microsoft Software | Techrights | Dec 08 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/10/21/openssh-insecure-by-design-with-microsoft/ | Dec 08 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Insecure-by-Design (Sometimes With Back Doors) ‘Contributions’ to OpenSSH | Techrights | Dec 08 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/12/05/openbsd-ssh-and-msft-back-doors/ | Dec 08 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Vista 10 is ‘Swiss Cheese’ With Critical Bugs, More Microsoft Layoffs (HoloLens) Announced. So Why Did OpenBSD Accept Microsoft’s $1,000,000 Bribe? | Techrights | Dec 08 16:05 | |
| psydroid | vZS1, sure, I will need to start blogging about things too, as I was asked about it by others as well | Dec 08 16:06 |
| psydroid | I jus never really felt I had enough knowledge to pull this stuff off | Dec 08 16:06 |
| psydroid | just* | Dec 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw the UPS truck with my computer drive by and now he's up there by the hospital.... | Dec 08 16:06 |
| schestowitz | it'll catch on, if not as ipfs, then something similar | Dec 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe it's some sort of software routing the truck around. | Dec 08 16:06 |
| schestowitz | because fatigue is growing over 'web obesity', privacy, complexity etc. | Dec 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | and social control media is already a fad | Dec 08 16:07 |
| psydroid | I think it's not just the fatigue | Dec 08 16:07 |
| psydroid | but why would I have to buy a new computer just to browse the web? | Dec 08 16:07 |
| psydroid | it didn't make sense in 2008 and it doesn't make sense now | Dec 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | raspberrypi:~ $ uptime | Dec 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | 16:07:53 up 32 days, 13:37, 3 users, load average: 1.57, 1.60, 1.62 | Dec 08 16:08 |
| psydroid | unless you bloat up the web to sell more devices | Dec 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | ipfs stats bw | Dec 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Bandwidth | Dec 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | TotalIn: 51 GB | Dec 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | TotalOut: 21 GB | Dec 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | RateIn: 16 kB/s | Dec 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | RateOut: 4.8 kB/s | Dec 08 16:08 |
| psydroid | so people can be spied upon better and faster | Dec 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: partly developers' faulty | Dec 08 16:08 |
| vZS1 | I share huge video files with my friends over IPFS now too. | Dec 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | they adopt "frameworks" | Dec 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | like 2MB of Javascript for some "Effect" | Dec 08 16:08 |
| vZS1 | IPFS is honestly BitTorrent done better | Dec 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | well, it is newer | Dec 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | so if not done better, than done wrong | Dec 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | theb | Dec 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | *then | Dec 08 16:09 |
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| psydroid | I understand wanting to abstract away the things that are boilerplate and doesn't allow you to differentiate your offerings, but then you should pick a proper and lean abstraction, not some monstrosity that just keeps growing bigger and bigger as well as slower and slower | Dec 08 16:10 |
| psydroid | s/doesn't/don't/ | Dec 08 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | https://android.googlesource.com/platform/system/ca-certificates/+/refs/heads/master/files/6187b673.0 that's the certificate | Dec 08 16:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-android.googlesource.com | files/6187b673.0 - platform/system/ca-certificates - Git at Google | Dec 08 16:10 | |
| vZS1 | > I understand wanting to abstract away the things that are boilerplate and doesn't allow you to differentiate your offerings, but then you should pick a proper and lean abstraction, not some monstrosity that just keeps growing bigger and bigger as well as slower and slower | Dec 08 16:12 |
| vZS1 | All of these are legitimate engineering concerns | Dec 08 16:12 |
| vZS1 | The "web" is no longer about engineering | Dec 08 16:12 |
| vZS1 | And web browsers are the main reason why | Dec 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | frameworks slapped around | Dec 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | complete with "libraries" that enable "data science" | Dec 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | or "analytics" | Dec 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | "big data" | Dec 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | "telemetry" | Dec 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | not spying or surveillance... those stopped.... we stopped the words | Dec 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | bye bye, "slave" and "master" | Dec 08 16:13 |
| vZS1 | Frameworks aren't the problem. That's just abstracting software. | Dec 08 16:13 |
| vZS1 | It's the toxicity of the web browser ecosystem | Dec 08 16:14 |
| vZS1 | It's an interface designed for users to lose control over their computing | Dec 08 16:14 |
| vZS1 | Soon enough you'll see a war on GTK and Qt | Dec 08 16:16 |
| vZS1 | To try and get everything fit into browsers. | Dec 08 16:16 |
| vZS1 | Chromebooks are the end goal of these efforts | Dec 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | soon? | Dec 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | that's over a decade ago | Dec 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | yesterday at the gym I was reading about workflows | Dec 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | some articles | Dec 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | sadly a bunch of "apple cultists" | Dec 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | and they go on and on about gsuite and stuff | Dec 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | as if the "clown" should be presumed desirable | Dec 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I had to skip those parts | Dec 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | about "notifications" and stuff | Dec 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | it's the first thing I eradicate every time, it's mixing reading with writing | Dec 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | now regarding the, "try and get everything fit into browsers," ... | Dec 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | that's not new | Dec 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | some OSes were created around 2007 for that | Dec 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | like gOS | Dec 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | and all those "google-first" 'Linuxes' | Dec 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | where prior to chromeOS it was foreseen people would just want to boot into an interface over the web | Dec 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | eyeOS | Dec 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Mandriva's founder also attempted that | Dec 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Google had deeper pockest | Dec 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | so it kept going at it, using integration around gmail and stuff to shove those into schools | Dec 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | and compel OEMs to stock those Google-subsidised things | Dec 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | so clearly people 'buy' (rent) these and we don't do a good enough job explaining to people the downsides | Dec 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | they just see an (initially) low price mark | Dec 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | then google tightens the screws | Dec 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | even literally | Dec 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | on people who modify chromebooks | Dec 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | you need to unscrew like 20 screwed on a chromebook to boot something else | Dec 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | last time I tried the screw was almost glued it | Dec 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | I could never remove it | Dec 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | or even turn it | Dec 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | maybe by intention | Dec 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | it ruined the screwdriver though | Dec 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | until the screw was no longer even beveled, just a piece of stuck metal | Dec 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | so to use a metaphor | Dec 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | the future is screwed | Dec 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | it's a screw | Dec 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | they tell you to turn it around | Dec 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | but it had no ridges | Dec 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | so it's more of a "f u" | Dec 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | you have a "choice"... of no real choice" | Dec 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | get a soldering gun, melt the screw and good luck not melting the chassis in the process :-) | Dec 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz | "good luck... installing Linux ... LOL' -- Love, Google | Dec 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz | or just use "crostini" and call our malware "Linux" | Dec 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz | notice they also gradually look to abolish cruoton | Dec 08 16:23 |
| vZS1 | People would literally be better off just using the Rpi 4 | Dec 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz | having hired the sole (afaik) developer of crouton, david schneider | Dec 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | and it's Microsoft-hosted now that Microsoft controls ShithUB | Dec 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | RPI is "some assembly required" | Dec 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | but that changes | Dec 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | with the 400 | Dec 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | and with some others that package is more nicely | Dec 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | then you have pine64 and stuff | Dec 08 16:25 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFoRDMEnPdg | Dec 08 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tabby cat meowing so cute like a duck - YouTube | Dec 08 16:25 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: didn't hear that | Dec 08 16:26 |
| schestowitz | gave up after 2 mins | Dec 08 16:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they should make it shorter | Dec 08 16:27 |
| schestowitz | looks like somewhere in California or south Europe | Dec 08 16:27 |
| MinceR | there was one around 0:48, but it's not really like quacking | Dec 08 16:27 |
| vZS1 | Old laptops are also a good recommendation | Dec 08 16:28 |
| MinceR | i think it's in turkey | Dec 08 16:28 |
| liberty_box | https://www.itpro.co.uk/security/358041/microsoft-teams-wormable-rce-flaw | Dec 08 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I checked some yesterday | Dec 08 16:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Zero-click 'wormable' RCE flaw uncovered in Microsoft Teams | IT PRO | Dec 08 16:28 | |
| schestowitz | they relegated them | Dec 08 16:28 |
| schestowitz | to closed display units | Dec 08 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I assume due to covid19 | Dec 08 16:28 |
| schestowitz | not wanting many people to touch these | Dec 08 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I saw that yesterday | Dec 08 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I was surveying used monitors and mice | Dec 08 16:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: must be a good neighbourhood there | Dec 08 16:30 |
| schestowitz | well, you know they're affluent of they have pet caracals | Dec 08 16:31 |
| schestowitz | or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopardus | Dec 08 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Leopardus - Wikipedia | Dec 08 16:31 | |
| MinceR | :3 | Dec 08 16:34 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/11/cea3cdadafa5b1f8.jpg | Dec 08 16:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, the web is getting so awful that my i7-6560U is having a stroke just trying to keep up with it. | Dec 08 16:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I have no idea why Intel wasn't doing quad core for the i7 U stuff in 2016. | Dec 08 16:39 |
| vZS1 | Use CLI clients and use "browsers" only when necessary. I've got loads of pages stored locally. That way I can use them even without an internet connection. I just keep them in Git repos. | Dec 08 16:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ugh, Plasma Discover froze or something. | Dec 08 16:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think packagekit is still doing something, | Dec 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | which distro? | Dec 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | I never use "discover" | Dec 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | reminds me of "app stores" | Dec 08 16:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | +572 dead already | Dec 08 16:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only 7 states reporting, and none of them are a major state. | Dec 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | oh wow | Dec 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | which states? | Dec 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | and what total pop size? | Dec 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | 50 mil? | Dec 08 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Veteran's Affairs too. | Dec 08 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | +149 dead there. | Dec 08 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump said that he was justified in not wearing a mask around some surviving veterans of World War 2 because they were too great to die of COVID-19. | Dec 08 16:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're in their 90s..... | Dec 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/07/us/chuck-yeager-death/index.html | Dec 08 16:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chuck Yeager, pilot who broke the sound barrier, dies at 97 - CNN | Dec 08 16:52 | |
| schestowitz | too great to die | Dec 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | boom. sonic boom. dead. | Dec 08 16:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "An incredible life well lived, America's greatest pilot," she tweeted. | Dec 08 16:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What about the X-15 pilots? They went into space. | Dec 08 16:54 |
| vZS1 | Tiger uppercut | Dec 08 16:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or Captain Sully? He saved over 100 people's lives when he managed to land a plane on the Hudson. | Dec 08 16:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In exchange for that, they basically tried to put him on trial. | Dec 08 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They used simulators with pilots who knew the bird strikes were coming and reacted immediately, managing to return to the airport. | Dec 08 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When Sully insisted that they give them a delay in responding because anyone would have been confused about what had just happened and wondering what to do for a few moments and chatting back and forth with flight controllers who didn't immediately know what to do, all of the simulator crews ended up crashing trying to get back to the airport. | Dec 08 16:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | During astronaut training, they have all kinds of shit going wrong in the simulators because you can't just train for a perfect mission. | Dec 08 16:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because there probably won't be one. They need people who can think on their feet. | Dec 08 16:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Planning a simulation where the pilots know immediately what happened and turn back to the airport, having the benefit of knowing that that will work isn't realisting. | Dec 08 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *realistic | Dec 08 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Running out of power and crashing a few dozen feet short of the runway doesn't take much of a difference. | Dec 08 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A few seconds of delay in not turning around. | Dec 08 17:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But those companies are pissed off about losing a very expensive aircraft and they know passengers may sue them, so they were trying to throw the guy under the bus. | Dec 08 17:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Still, it was repulsive to watch them try, even though you know it's coming. Right? | Dec 08 17:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Well, it used to be pretty clear what to do with a computer that was getting up there in age. | Dec 08 17:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were still gains to be had from switching to a lightweight desktop environment. | Dec 08 17:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But there's been some convergence. The lighter ones have put on weight around the same time the full features ones went on a bug hunt closing all sorts of disastrous performance issue and memory leaks and bloat. | Dec 08 17:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there's not really much of a difference these days except what your preference is. | Dec 08 17:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GNOME had been accumulating performance disasters, and now it seems like Canonical realizes they need to make it work, and it was not as responsive as Unity was, so they've tasked someone to sort through the mess, assigning them priorities and trying to fix the worst ones each cycle. | Dec 08 17:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The default rheme was just downright hideous. | Dec 08 17:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *theme | Dec 08 17:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Torvalds was talking about it as sort of a lipstick on the pig type of thing. | Dec 08 17:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It did not work well, it was not approachable, and it didn't perform well. | Dec 08 17:08 |
| psydroid | my take on it is that things need to be rebuilt from scratch with simplicity and performance in mind | Dec 08 17:12 |
| psydroid | as far as GNU/Linux is concerned it has become what it set out to displace (proprietary UNIX) | Dec 08 17:13 |
| psydroid | and I'm starting to wonder if the same mistakes need to made every 30 years | Dec 08 17:14 |
| psydroid | to be made* | Dec 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's accumulated a lot of crap, that's for sure. | Dec 08 17:14 |
| vZS1 | It's still possible to build a light system with GNU/Linux. But you need to build the setup from scratch. | Dec 08 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Amazon has those Microsoft bluetooth mice in the Warehouse Deals. | Dec 08 17:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I assume this is generic enough to work with Linux. | Dec 08 17:24 |
| vZS1 | USB peripherals like keyboards and mice are all very standardised | Dec 08 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy was shocked that his statin drug might be causing side effects. I looked at his cholesterol numbers and triglycerides and they were so low I don't even think he needs to be on these. At all. | Dec 08 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think some doctor two years ago prescribed them and some other one has been refilling them without paying attention and he's just bee swallowing them every night. | Dec 08 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I told him quit taking them for a while and see what the numbers are like. The worst thing is he may have to go back on them at half dose. | Dec 08 17:27 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I was like "What the hell is going on in there?". Doctors.... | Dec 08 17:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And of course he's all like "Well, the doctor never mentioned that it could do this." and I was like, "They never do. Every drug has side effects and risks, and the doctors never go over them or talk to you about other options. They just prescribe them.". | Dec 08 17:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was talking to a doctor back when Amazon had a forum and I asked her why doctors just prescribe this junk like it's candy instead of asking the patient if they can watch their saturated fats or sodium or whatever. | Dec 08 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And she was like "Because we just give up because nobody listens to us.". | Dec 08 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems unethical, to me, for a doctor to not at least tell you what your options are and what the drug might do. | Dec 08 17:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or they see that your numbers are just a tad high but nothing horrific and they start whipping out the prescription pad with drugs where the risks aren't worth the benefit. | Dec 08 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It doesn't surprise me at all that people have sodium that's too high. | Dec 08 17:32 |
| kingoffrance | im thinking these 2 topics (software bloat, and pushing drugs to users) overlap, because nobody listens to us | Dec 08 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In many cases, the reduced sodium version of something is 2-3 times as expensive, and still has a ton of sodium. | Dec 08 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No they don't. | Dec 08 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can tell people that Windows is terrible for their privacy. | Dec 08 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That Windows 10 data mines them like Facebook, which they also probably use. | Dec 08 17:33 |
| vZS1 | The BSDs are a good example of light deployments. | Dec 08 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Does no good at all. | Dec 08 17:33 |
| vZS1 | If you do a BSD install without X, you can then build a very light system on top of that. | Dec 08 17:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even at the rather innocent-sounding "Basic" level of telemetry, Microsoft still gets an alarming amount of data about you. | Dec 08 17:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They say "Required to keep Windows working." but people who deactivate the telemetry services don't seem to have more troubles. | Dec 08 17:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would guess that the Chromebook is worse for privacy though. | Dec 08 17:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or at least not any better. | Dec 08 17:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bulk user data is not just highly profitable, but storing it and giving it to the government is a get out of jail free card when the antitrust people come a knocking. | Dec 08 17:36 |
| kingoffrance | also, im going to throw a ""Tatsumuki Senpuu Kyaku"" in there | Dec 08 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's why mjg59's employer isn't facing any consumer harm complaints from DoJ about their spyware. | Dec 08 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And why this antitrust thing is all fake and will go away once they make some backroom deal to do whatever it is the government is really pressuring them about. | Dec 08 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What's funny about Windows 10 is that Microsoft said they were going to make a clean break with IE (with Edge), but then they just repeated the same mistake. | Dec 08 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They made it part of the WinRT API and now EdgeHTML is going to be there for like 20 years. | Dec 08 17:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you have three browsers you can't get rid of. | Dec 08 17:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And two don't even work properly with modern websites. | Dec 08 17:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: +922 with 13 states in. | Dec 08 17:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is going to be one of those days where we at least get close to 3,000 again. | Dec 08 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The guy on the radio this morning quoted the WHO saying about 2 Americans are dying of COVID every minute. | Dec 08 17:46 |
| psydroid | they aren't going to pull the trigger themselves, so others will have to do it for them | Dec 08 17:52 |
| psydroid | macOS has gone the same way, just by running GNU/Linux on the same hardware you can almost double your performance | Dec 08 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: https://www.maketecheasier.com/beware-fake-ps5-sales-concrete-block-sold-ebay/ | Dec 08 17:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Beware of Fake PS5 Sales – Concrete Block Sold on eBay - Make Tech Easier | Dec 08 17:53 | |
| psydroid | and that's even considering the current state of GNU/Linux, which isn't what it used to be | Dec 08 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | [17:45] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: +922 with 13 states in. | Dec 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Congrats, Ryan | Dec 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz | 1140 minutes per day | Dec 08 18:01 |
| schestowitz | so 2280 per day, inc. weekend, is one death every 30 seconds | Dec 08 18:02 |
| schestowitz | make it 3420 and it's one every 20 seconds | Dec 08 18:02 |
| schestowitz | let's see if we get there today | Dec 08 18:02 |
| schestowitz | 3 dead per minute | Dec 08 18:02 |
| schestowitz | [17:33] <kingoffrance> im thinking these 2 topics (software bloat, and pushing drugs to users) overlap, because nobody listens to us | Dec 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe an analogy is in order | Dec 08 18:03 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Those Microsoft Surface Arc Mouse things look like they'd be downright painful to use. | Dec 08 18:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I'm wondering if Linux even supports the emulated scroll wheel. | Dec 08 18:06 |
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| vZS1 | psydroid: do you have a PGP public key with a contact address on it? | Dec 08 18:08 |
| psydroid | vZS1, not currently, but I can make one this weekend and share it with you, if that's not too late for you | Dec 08 18:10 |
| vZS1 | psydroid: that works. | Dec 08 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I got an open box special on a Microsoft bluetooth mouse. Half off. | Dec 08 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So like $13. | Dec 08 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My current one ties up a USB port. :/ | Dec 08 18:14 |
| schestowitz | what's the selling point? | Dec 08 18:14 |
| schestowitz | 13 dollars isn't so cheap | Dec 08 18:14 |
| schestowitz | i bet my GXT ones for that price | Dec 08 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bluetooth 5.0 LE and supposed to get 12 months battery life. | Dec 08 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One reviewer said it works fine with Ubuntu 20.04. | Dec 08 18:15 |
| schestowitz | and they're quite nice and reliable, so over the years we bought 3 of them | Dec 08 18:15 |
| schestowitz | my mice have battery life of 1200 months | Dec 08 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least at one point, Microsoft mice and keyboard were made by logitech. | Dec 08 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you brought up the details it would say logitech in the vendor name sometimes. | Dec 08 18:15 |
| schestowitz | some reported they wanted to buy Logitech? | Dec 08 18:16 |
| schestowitz | I guess rebranding suited them better | Dec 08 18:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've had Microsoft peripherals before. | Dec 08 18:16 |
| schestowitz | I have very bad luck with Logitech... 'luck;; | Dec 08 18:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes they were cheaper than the Logitech product they were rebranded from. | Dec 08 18:16 |
| schestowitz | They don't last long for me | Dec 08 18:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The biggest issue I had was a webcam that didn't want to work with Windows 7. | Dec 08 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Logitech charges extra for a name | Dec 08 18:17 |
| schestowitz | anyway, so you bought Microsoft | Dec 08 18:17 |
| schestowitz | and not even cheao | Dec 08 18:17 |
| schestowitz | and now you need to buy batteries | Dec 08 18:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I eventually got around it by extracting the driver from the setup program that said unsupported OS, and installed it that way. | Dec 08 18:17 |
| schestowitz | for your "protector display" :-) | Dec 08 18:17 |
| schestowitz | *projector | Dec 08 18:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turns out it worked fine and Logitech was putting a block on Windows 7 to make you go out and buy another webcam. | Dec 08 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I have a creative webcam somewhere | Dec 08 18:18 |
| schestowitz | have not used it in nearly a decade | Dec 08 18:18 |
| schestowitz | anyway, bbl | Dec 08 18:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was a Windows generic UVC driver for the webcam, but it operated it at the wrong resolution. | Dec 08 18:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So obviously that wasn't a solution. | Dec 08 18:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's like saying Windows supports your graphics card because it has a VESA driver somewhere. | Dec 08 18:19 |
| vZS1 | DaemonFC[m]: `$ less /proc/bus/input/devices` | Dec 08 18:25 |
| vZS1 | Will show you who the manufacturer is, usually. | Dec 08 18:25 |
| vZS1 | Most of the time, they don't even bother to wipe the internal metadata on rebranded devices. | Dec 08 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Conde Nasty gave me another tsk tsk ban a while back. | Dec 08 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I barely post anything to Reddit anymore because some asshole will take offense and go CoC! OMG! | Dec 08 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got an email from Tumblr saying "Are you still daemonfc? It's been a while.". | Dec 08 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, to myself, "Yeah, it has been a while since you took freedom of expression out back and shot it because Apple threatened to toss you out of their Crapp Store.". | Dec 08 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's pretty much why Tumblr emptied out and now Reddit is going the same direction. | Dec 08 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had a Youtube video that was mocking the CEO of Tumblr. | Dec 08 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shocked to learn that 90% of the users left because they deleted the porn. | Dec 08 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, all your users were porn monkeys and Apple chased them off with your help. Congrats. | Dec 08 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could have totally sold ad impressions to at least....some people that were using your site for something, but not now I guess. | Dec 08 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Have fun selling that off for pennies. | Dec 08 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's pretty much the danger of replacing websites with apps. | Dec 08 18:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When it's an app, it doesn't have freedom of speech anymore. If Apple or Google don't like you, byeeeeeee. | Dec 08 18:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19624518\ | Dec 08 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #linuxFoundation "loves Linux" is rapidly becoming just as laughable as "Microsoft loves Linux" http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation | Dec 08 18:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights | Dec 08 18:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19624512 | Dec 08 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In December 2020 or by the year's end it's clear that #linuxDOTcom is defunct as well as barely active. Killed by so-called #linuxFoundation (they're not interested in such an important domain; fired ALL the staff). | Dec 08 18:34 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was drawn to Reddit, like many people, due to their formerly fairly libertarian stance on speech. | Dec 08 18:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19624529 | Dec 08 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft : Microsoft loves Linux, but we hate using Linux and don't use it Jim Zemlin: me too!! LOVE! Like. | Dec 08 18:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's dead and buried, honestly. And a lot of these subreddits, which anyone could be the first to claim, have been completely hijacked. | Dec 08 18:35 |
| schestowitz | corporate agenda | Dec 08 18:35 |
| schestowitz | not 100% | Dec 08 18:35 |
| schestowitz | but enough to be off-putting | Dec 08 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Especially /r/Linux. It's all about WSL2 now and you get banned for even making fun of Microsoft, even if it's not actually something that would offend, or if it's about their own offensive behavior. | Dec 08 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BIG BOOBS BIG BOOBS HONK HONK.... | Dec 08 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59didn't like that, even, but he still implements their agenda in the kernel. | Dec 08 18:36 |
| cybrNaut | i was a Reddit fan as well for a bit, but then the censorship got really out of hand. I would create my own sub, and post something that a mod of another sub censored, and Reddit would still censor it.. someone (or some bot) above moderators | Dec 08 18:37 |
| cybrNaut | so i'm done with Reddit | Dec 08 18:38 |
| vZS1 | I caused a big ruckus in r/Linux a few months back. They couldn't censor me because of all the support. (: | Dec 08 18:38 |
| vZS1 | But I agree. r/Linux is controlled by Microsoft blood. | Dec 08 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59: Criticizes Microsoft for being a sausage party full of toxic masculinity with Asperger's. | Dec 08 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59: Also implements Microsoft's draconian restrictions on the user's computer. | Dec 08 18:39 |
| vZS1 | s/blood/now | Dec 08 18:39 |
| vZS1 | Stupid phone keyboard | Dec 08 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Once malware gets a beachhead, it's basically already too late. Instead of securing Windows and removing obsolete dead and redundant code..... | Dec 08 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They pervert the system firmware with all kinds of nasties. | Dec 08 18:40 |
| cybrNaut | Belgian police found stolen bikes and posted pics of them to Facebook. Ppl who had a bike stolen were unable to see the pics unless they create a Facebook acct. I posted about it in r/Brussels, and Octave censored it | Dec 08 18:41 |
| cybrNaut | not sure why the r/Brussels mod would be so protective of Facebook | Dec 08 18:41 |
| vZS1 | cybrNaut: you can share those pictures on IPFS. Can put a contact number on each image. | Dec 08 18:42 |
| vZS1 | I would have helped, if you asked me. We could piggyback off the ipfs.io http gateway | Dec 08 18:42 |
| vZS1 | Then it becomes as simple as sharing a URL | Dec 08 18:43 |
| smnthermes | https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ | Dec 08 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream – Blog.CentOS.org | Dec 08 18:43 | |
| smnthermes | Oof | Dec 08 18:43 |
| *XRevan86 sheds a solid tear. | Dec 08 18:43 | |
| schestowitz | we use centos | Dec 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | this was predictable | Dec 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | I was not sure if they'd even release 8.x of it | Dec 08 18:44 |
| cybrNaut | vZS1: my problem was that the police were only serving victims if they happened to have a Facebook acct. Don't you still need a FB acct to get the content out of FB's walled garden? | Dec 08 18:45 |
| cybrNaut | i'm not really up to speed with how IPFS works | Dec 08 18:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19624585 | Dec 08 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #centos news of the day in a nutshell: IBM: pay us for #redhat distros or GTFO (or have no stability) This was foreseeable | Dec 08 18:46 | |
| vZS1 | cybrNaut: you could ask someone with a Facebook account to get the details and pictures and at least share those pictures with some contact information. Idk about the police and Facebook but at least people not on Facebook could help that way. | Dec 08 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | Would be funny if suddenly a new CentOS will pop up. | Dec 08 18:47 |
| XRevan86 | with the original formula | Dec 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | [18:40] <vZS1> Stupid phone keyboard | Dec 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | [18:40] <vZS1> Stupid phone | Dec 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | fixed | Dec 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | 'phone' | Dec 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | scare quotes help | Dec 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | (yes, they can ALSO receive calls, I know) | Dec 08 18:48 |
| vZS1 | cybrNaut: think like BitTorrent. | Dec 08 18:48 |
| vZS1 | But easier to share because of http gateways | Dec 08 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | Possible names: TsentOS or KentOS :) | Dec 08 18:48 |
| cybrNaut | i also have a problem with the police requiring victims to have a friend who has Facebook. I only knew that the police were using FB b/c a newspaper wrote about it | Dec 08 18:49 |
| vZS1 | cybrNaut: I share your concerns. | Dec 08 18:49 |
| vZS1 | Too much law enforcement on social media | Dec 08 18:49 |
| cybrNaut | police are public servants, and should be serving the whole public | Dec 08 18:49 |
| vZS1 | cybrNaut: why don't you write up these thoughts and the case you experienced. Send it to schestowitz. This is the type of stuff that should be on TR. | Dec 08 18:50 |
| cybrNaut | vZS1: good idea. Would also be cool to incorporate the Striesand effect w/Reddit censorship | Dec 08 18:52 |
| vZS1 | cybrNaut: Go for it. I'll share them when they pop up in my RSS. (: | Dec 08 18:53 |
| cybrNaut | cool | Dec 08 18:54 |
| cybrNaut | maybe i'll get time in the next couple days to get it blogged | Dec 08 18:55 |
| vZS1 | Looking forward to it. | Dec 08 18:55 |
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| vZS1 | schestowitz: did you read the email yet? | Dec 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So Season 4 of The Man in the High Castle. | Dec 08 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I did | Dec 08 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I liked to it a few times | Dec 08 18:59 |
| schestowitz | the links therein | Dec 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where the Nazis start stealing tech and stuff from the multiverse. | Dec 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was like "Aperture Science brought to you by the Nazis!". | Dec 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I wondered why they would even need tech from the multiverse. | Dec 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Nazis in the in-story universe had easily 1980s level technology in the 1960s. | Dec 08 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's looking like they were ahead of our universe by about 20 years on most things. | Dec 08 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Although it did kind of suggest that since they would kill people with disabling illness that they weren't as far along in medicine. | Dec 08 19:01 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: there are some major issues that are being sidelined. Priorities are pretty skewed as well. I'll keep you updated as my work on this front progresses. | Dec 08 19:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 08 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nazi universe John Smith's son was put down by the state for having a crippling illness while his alt-world son was alive and healthy. | Dec 08 19:02 |
| MinceR | or they claimed he had a crippling illness | Dec 08 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, the whole "put down by the state for being a drag on the economy" is not that far off from what the Republicans want to do. | Dec 08 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is why they want to let Coronavirus run its course. | Dec 08 19:03 |
| MinceR | never believe authoritarian regimes | Dec 08 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So you figure that it was manageable but they didn't want to put resources into helping him. | Dec 08 19:03 |
| MinceR | or they poisoned him | Dec 08 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there's a lot of people who are able to lead relatively normal lives in our universe, but at tremendous cost to healthcare programs. | Dec 08 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's bout of COVID apparently cost taxpayers about a million dollars. | Dec 08 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that he could be treated with something that no member of the public could have. | Dec 08 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Otherwise he'd be deader than a doornail right now. | Dec 08 19:04 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKuxfcSrEU | Dec 08 19:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shrek (2001) - Some of you May Die, But it's a Sacrifice I am Willing to Make - YouTube | Dec 08 19:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they give him a million dollars worth of healthcare and a drug that nobody else can get and he act like he just sprang back from a cold that sent him to the hospital for largely no reason. | Dec 08 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's this kind of fake macho crap that my parents admire. | Dec 08 19:06 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | A million dollars worth of what, exactly? He was in there for about 4 days. He's 76 years old. He's probably got like a year or two left. | Dec 08 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they spend enough money to treat 10 patients who get HIV when they're 18 and live their entire life. | Dec 08 19:09 |
| schestowitz | [18:59] <DaemonFC[m]> Where the Nazis start stealing tech and stuff from the multiverse. | Dec 08 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Many copied the german mechanics | Dec 08 19:19 |
| schestowitz | like their fast machine guns | Dec 08 19:19 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxKFs2vANJw | Dec 08 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WW2 German MG42 Machine Gun Test Fire - YouTube | Dec 08 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | This one looks like a cop | Dec 08 19:19 |
| schestowitz | I bet some US cops have nazi fetish | Dec 08 19:19 |
| schestowitz | as they have blacks so much | Dec 08 19:19 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhOrY88MGbM | Dec 08 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WW2 German MG42 Machine Gun Demonstration - YouTube | Dec 08 19:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You think they would have kept progressing fast enough to be at 80s level tech by 1963? | Dec 08 19:19 |
| schestowitz | this one seems like US military | Dec 08 19:19 |
| schestowitz | the more modern tank-mounted machine guns ae scary fast | Dec 08 19:20 |
| schestowitz | and the rounds are hugely long, bullets massive | Dec 08 19:20 |
| schestowitz | they're spraying thousands per minute | Dec 08 19:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe 1cm thick | Dec 08 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, well, when you're under attack you really don't have time to be precise. | Dec 08 19:20 |
| schestowitz | so tech today would make wars more lethal | Dec 08 19:20 |
| schestowitz | even without nukes | Dec 08 19:21 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3Dp6Fass2Y | Dec 08 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"The Hand of God" M61 20mm Vulcan Cannon - YouTube | Dec 08 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | 20mm | Dec 08 19:21 |
| schestowitz | 2 cm | Dec 08 19:21 |
| schestowitz | almost one inch thick | Dec 08 19:21 |
| schestowitz | 6000rpm | Dec 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | UPS has this new "feature" where if you don't create an account and log in, they give you a much fuzzier estimate of when your package will be there. | Dec 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But if you log in, they tell you a 5 hour window. | Dec 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | US empire going down the drain | Dec 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | they'll just auction away weapons | Dec 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Trump has just done that | Dec 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | more weapons sales | Dec 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | even to hostile and erratic nations | Dec 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | (more than the US) | Dec 08 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard Congress was not likely to approve that sale to the UAE. | Dec 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's more than a few who don't want to destabilize the region that much or at least don't want our latest stuff getting sold to the Chinese to tear down and figure out. | Dec 08 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/7/22160181/rebekah-jones-raid-seizure-search-warrant-covid-19-whistleblower-florida | Dec 08 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | With guns drawn, police raid home and seize computers of COVID-19 data whistleblower - The Verge | Dec 08 19:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201207/14591845837/florida-state-police-raid-home-covid-whistleblower-point-guns-her-her-family-seize-all-her-computer-equipment.shtml | Dec 08 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Florida State Police Raid Home Of COVID Whistleblower, Point Guns At Her & Her Family, Seize All Her Computer Equipment | Techdirt | Dec 08 19:25 | |
| schestowitz | What gets me is this | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | not dangerous | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | not armed | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | female | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | FL | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | scientist | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | and why send a bunch of violent goons after her | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | GOP-majority state? | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | wth did they think the world would think?] | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | so far today FL reports about 120 dearhs | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe that's the total | Dec 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | after this raid fewer people would trust the numbers | Dec 08 19:26 |
| schestowitz | so who knows how many REALLY die there? | Dec 08 19:26 |
| schestowitz | maybe worse than NYS | Dec 08 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no rhyme or reason to what Illinois is doing. | Dec 08 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They shut down the DMV for two weeks. | Dec 08 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't even know if they're open again. | Dec 08 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they are, they'll say "Everyone stands out in the freezing cold for 4 hours, and since it's Thursday we'll mitigate the Coronavirus by making you do it on one foot so when you get up to the people at the folding card table, they'll say they need different documents than what you brought with you!". | Dec 08 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.daily-chronicle.com/2020/12/04/illinois-secretary-of-state-jesse-white-extends-driver-services-facilities-closures-until-jan-5/ake0y0k/ | Dec 08 19:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.daily-chronicle.com | Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White extends driver services facilities closures until Jan. 5 | Daily Chronicle | Dec 08 19:28 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they're closed until January 5th. | Dec 08 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, that answers that. | Dec 08 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure all of those fucking assholes that "work" there harassing the public are still drawing their entire paycheck. | Dec 08 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Best Buy didn't have any terrific laptop deals. | Dec 08 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems Lenovo undercut them. Probably because Best Buy has to mark shit up to make up for the whole store thing. | Dec 08 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't get a touch screen or 4K this time. | Dec 08 19:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Largely because it ended up being a power hogging nightmare that I barely used this time around. | Dec 08 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | KDE doesn't even have full support for touch screens and why would you even flip a laptop that weighs 7 or 8 times what a tablet does over and try to use it without a keyboard anyway? | Dec 08 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think these 2-in-1 things are mostly pointless, having owned one for over 4 years now. | Dec 08 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Microsoft said they're going to use WSL2 to bring Android apps to Windows, but the tech news actually threw a lot of cold water on that one. | Dec 08 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The one I was reading pointed out that without Google Play Services, most of them are unlikely to work properly, and basically "Why would you want Android apps on a PC anyway?". | Dec 08 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of this WSL stuff is a money pit for Microsoft. | Dec 08 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a solution in search of a problem, and it doesn't even do its job well if by job you mean running Linux workloads with good performance. | Dec 08 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it introduces the 7 circles of hell that Windows brings to the security and reliability table. | Dec 08 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Is Phoronix still pushing it? | Dec 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Microsoft said they're going to use WSL2 to bring Android apps to Windows, but the tech news actually threw a lot of cold water on that one. | Dec 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Nothing news | Dec 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | new | Dec 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | <li> | Dec 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://www.thenation.com/article/society/wikileaks-julian-assange-extradition/">What’s At Stake in Julian Assange’s Extradition Trial</a></h5> | Dec 08 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | What’s At Stake in Julian Assange’s Extradition Trial | The Nation | Dec 08 19:35 | |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | Dec 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | <p>Julian Assange’s extradition trial in London this fall revealed the lengths to which the US government was willing to go to secure the return of the WikiLeaks founder to America. It also threw light on a disturbing abuse of process in the English courts.</p></blockquote></li> | Dec 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | oops | Dec 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | wrong paste | Dec 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | except the branding | Dec 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | it's nothing nrws | Dec 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | many programs do it already | Dec 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | they ALSO run on Windows | Dec 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | and not only | Dec 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: stop using NOT WIndows | Dec 08 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I mean you can run an Android Runtime on it I guess, but why would you? | Dec 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: look! You can run this stuff ALSO on Windows | Dec 08 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AOSP actually isn't good for much of anything because it's not meant to be. | Dec 08 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like what Darwin is to Mac OS. | Dec 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:35] <DaemonFC[m]> Is Phoronix still pushing it? | Dec 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Michael pushed a lot of Microsoft lately | Dec 08 19:37 |
| schestowitz | like 4 items in 3 days | Dec 08 19:37 |
| schestowitz | because news is slow | Dec 08 19:37 |
| schestowitz | and it's a shame | Dec 08 19:37 |
| schestowitz | because it makes me change my view/feelings about phoronix | Dec 08 19:37 |
| schestowitz | sometimes there's also obvious clickbait | Dec 08 19:37 |
| CrystalMath | important pandemic notice: calling on all serial killers to make sure they use different knives for different murders to reduce the spread of COVID-19; stay safe! | Dec 08 19:42 |
| CrystalMath | (an alternative is properly disinfecting the knives) | Dec 08 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | any typos here? http://techrights.org/2020/12/08/linux-foundation-rejects-linux/ | Dec 08 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Does Not Love Linux | Techrights | Dec 08 19:51 | |
| jaggz | schestowitz, the summary itself? | Dec 08 19:54 |
| jaggz | in american english you'd capitalize the "Me too!" Otherwise I don't see anything | Dec 08 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | MeToo is a hashtag now | Dec 08 19:58 |
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| marie_antoinette | Bonjour chers collegues | Dec 08 19:59 |
| schestowitz | 0/ | Dec 08 19:59 |
| jaggz | has linux been infiltrated and destroyed? | Dec 08 20:01 |
| jaggz | exploiting torvalds' weaknesses and getting him out too? | Dec 08 20:01 |
| jaggz | (I don't know what's going on) | Dec 08 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | corporate takeover | Dec 08 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Linux succeeded | Dec 08 20:05 |
| schestowitz | so it needs to be passed over | Dec 08 20:05 |
| schestowitz | volunteers' work | Dec 08 20:05 |
| schestowitz | it has value | Dec 08 20:05 |
| schestowitz | it would be a shame if that did not become privatiser corporate value | Dec 08 20:06 |
| schestowitz | *privatised | Dec 08 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | Torvalds is expected to just smile, nod, get along.. if he wants to stay part of jis project | Dec 08 20:06 |
| schestowitz | RMS was almost ousted from his (GNU) | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz | some people still work at it | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz | so he's keeping mostly quiet | Dec 08 20:07 |
| jaggz | nod | Dec 08 20:07 |
| schestowitz | to avoid saying anything "controversial" which would fuel the oussters | Dec 08 20:07 |
| jaggz | thanks | Dec 08 20:08 |
| jaggz | (sorry.. tired so I shouldn't be talking much) | Dec 08 20:11 |
| schestowitz | why not? can be tired and still talk.. | Dec 08 20:12 |
| jaggz | , | Dec 08 20:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/145221 | Dec 08 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Reports Using Macs and Janssen Project | Tux Machines | Dec 08 20:12 | |
| jaggz | schestowitz, maybe I'll say dumber things. Really it's because I should get some rest so I can be responsible for the health of my family :) | Dec 08 20:12 |
| jaggz | I don't understand why they'd be using macs. I saw the walking-desk vid of torvalds and, iirc, a mac was his main system | Dec 08 20:14 |
| schestowitz | you are anon, so... | Dec 08 20:14 |
| schestowitz | once upon a time he put gnu/linux on a "mac" | Dec 08 20:14 |
| schestowitz | but he doesn't use the OS | Dec 08 20:14 |
| schestowitz | the LF does | Dec 08 20:14 |
| schestowitz | it's good | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz | because... | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz | that helps us see who they really are | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz | on a more superficial level | Dec 08 20:15 |
| schestowitz | like SPAMnil saying he admires Microsoft | Dec 08 20:16 |
| schestowitz | and acting like an Apple fanbi while LF employs him to edits on his own Linux.com | Dec 08 20:16 |
| schestowitz | and then hiring people from Microsoft | Dec 08 20:16 |
| schestowitz | so we can write them off as sold and defunct; same for OSI and SFC BTW | Dec 08 20:16 |
| schestowitz | You are what you do, we see what you do, we we know what you are, what you stand for etc. | Dec 08 20:17 |
| schestowitz | we we -> so we | Dec 08 20:17 |
| schestowitz | as frustrating as it may be, at least you know who's a waste of time to interact with | Dec 08 20:17 |
| schestowitz | webmink (Phipps) might still be mostly OK, same for Perens | Dec 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz | but they left the OSI, which was destroyed not due to their own faults | Dec 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I think webmink was shamed using the diversity card into handing it over | Dec 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Perens is OK | Dec 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz | RMS I speak to sometimes; he's OK but 'camera-shy' | Dec 08 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | I guess he got mortified a bit by 2019 events | Dec 08 20:19 |
| schestowitz | and that left him mildly shocked/traumatised, the social control media lynch mobs and nasty press releases from GNOME, SFC and other turncoats in Microsoft's pockets | Dec 08 20:19 |
| jaggz | must be a nightmare to be in such a position | Dec 08 20:20 |
| jaggz | they have to be strong in character and belief, and then their eccentricities are used to attack them | Dec 08 20:21 |
| jaggz | anyway, I'm not fully-knowledgeable in this arena so... | Dec 08 20:22 |
| jaggz | I have to look up the terms and names you bring up | Dec 08 20:22 |
| jaggz | well, I'll be around.. so.. will ttyl. :) | Dec 08 20:22 |
| jaggz | nap time.. gotta be up in a few hours again.. bleh | Dec 08 20:23 |
| schestowitz | ok | Dec 08 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The maintenance man is over in the apartment across the hall spraypainting stuff. | Dec 08 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I moved both my AirGenius towers in here and have them running full blast. | Dec 08 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It looks like the Sentry Guns from Aliens. | Dec 08 20:30 |
| jaggz | fumes? or throw a sheet over them to catch some of the gunk to preserve a bit of life of your filters? | Dec 08 20:32 |
| jaggz | anyway.. keep doors closed.. air/fan blowing in for positive pressure | Dec 08 20:33 |
| jaggz | not from the place where they'd pull the paint air in of course :) | Dec 08 20:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: over 2000 deaths now | Dec 08 20:34 |
| schestowitz | it's only 5pm there, ny timezone | Dec 08 20:34 |
| jaggz | https://theintercept.com/2020/12/07/pfas-pfba-severe-covid-study/ | Dec 08 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | PFAS Chemical Associated With Severe Covid-19 | Dec 08 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | oligarchs-run site, pretends to be “independent journalism” (i.e. PLEASE SPONSOR A BILLIONAIRE!)\ | Dec 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | even worse than Guardian | Dec 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | which takes money from billionaires | Dec 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | and asks for donations | Dec 08 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | same for NPR | Dec 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | BBC takes TV licensing money | Dec 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | and then takes bribes from Gates | Dec 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | all the above are Gates-bribed | Dec 08 20:38 |
| jaggz | good to know. I'm always suspicious of that. In this case, I don't care about the site, just the direction to the research | Dec 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | "Consider what the world of media would look like without The Intercept. Who would hold party elites accountable to the values they proclaim to have? How many covert wars, miscarriages of justice, and dystopian technologies would remain hidden if our reporters weren’t on the beat?" | Dec 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | They don't say Omidyar runs them | Dec 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | and Greenwald, a co-founder, quiet | Dec 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | because the owner's editor would not let him have a go at Biden | Dec 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | and Trump haters blindly sided with Olidyar on this | Dec 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | because... Trump | Dec 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | *Omidyar | Dec 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | The popup, which is new to me, says: | Dec 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | "SUPPORT INDEPENDENT JOURNALISM" | Dec 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | seems to be an image of text | Dec 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | in large fonts | Dec 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | and it covers the whole page | Dec 08 20:40 |
| jaggz | yeah I got that too | Dec 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | it can help the billionaire raise money | Dec 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | and also give creds to the site | Dec 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | so people won't know who really owns and runs it | Dec 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | he was banned in .ph | Dec 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | for paying rappler | Dec 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | which attacked his political enemies | Dec 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | I gave the example of Gates | Dec 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | because he took that to the extreme | Dec 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | bribed many over 1000 publishers | Dec 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | even ones not in English | Dec 08 20:42 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/24/bill-gates-bribery-of-the-media/ | Dec 08 20:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A New Tim Schwab Investigative Report on Bill Gates’ Bribery of the Media and Beyond (for Hagiographies and Salesmanship) | Techrights | Dec 08 20:42 | |
| vZS1 | So I did some digging about where these usb device data comes from in the Linux source | Dec 08 20:43 |
| jaggz | (another popup I just got.. it is actually text, with an overlay so it's not selectable) | Dec 08 20:43 |
| jaggz | handy "inspect element" | Dec 08 20:43 |
| vZS1 | include/linux/input.h | Dec 08 20:44 |
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| vZS1 | grep for "struct input_dev - represents" | Dec 08 20:45 |
| vZS1 | That's the breakdown | Dec 08 20:45 |
| vZS1 | Of the data structure | Dec 08 20:45 |
| vZS1 | Then in "drivers/input/input.c" | Dec 08 20:46 |
| vZS1 | grep for "Bus=" | Dec 08 20:46 |
| vZS1 | And compare that to `$ less /proc/bus/input/devices` | Dec 08 20:47 |
| vZS1 | Those three piece together the whole picture of where the stuff like lsusb(8) get their output from | Dec 08 20:49 |
| vZS1 | This isn't in the documentation, at all. I had to sniff out from the source. | Dec 08 20:53 |
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| vZS1 | I swear, it feels like they're just leaving procfs undocumented to make it harder for people to figure out what's going on. The BSDs at least document most of what they're doing. | Dec 08 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | who wrote this code? | Dec 08 20:58 |
| schestowitz | which firm? | Dec 08 20:58 |
| vZS1 | Hundreds of lines of comments in C header files isn't documentation | Dec 08 20:58 |
| vZS1 | Idk, I didn't check | Dec 08 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Linux has many hands on it | Dec 08 20:58 |
| schestowitz | including NSA boosters' | Dec 08 20:58 |
| schestowitz | including the NSA itself | Dec 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I was told by someone in Red Hat | Dec 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | NSA literally puts lines of code inside Linux | Dec 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | But don't worry, the S in NSA stands for Security, not Shite | Dec 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Torvalds just signs it all off based on names and affinity, he doesn't know what's going on, it's impossible to keep abreast of it all | Dec 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | all bugs are shallow when you only deal with 50 million lines of code and have 50 hours a week | Dec 08 21:00 |
| vZS1 | This is really old | Dec 08 21:01 |
| vZS1 | 2007 | Dec 08 21:01 |
| vZS1 | Dimitry Torokhov | Dec 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | BTW, the "shallow" line is an Open Source motto line | Dec 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | not Free software | Dec 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | they sell technical merit, even if just perceived | Dec 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | if you accept a 500,000 LOC graphics driver every 3 months and nobody outside the vendors checked even in a hurry, what sort of audit is that? | Dec 08 21:02 |
| vZS1 | So since 2007, no official entry in documentation directory of the source about how input device information can be gathered | Dec 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | it's in the code, man... | Dec 08 21:03 |
| schestowitz | go figure | Dec 08 21:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe make a report about it... ON A MAC! ;-) | Dec 08 21:03 |
| vZS1 | The comments are very good though. But a non-C-programmer user wouldn't find them. | Dec 08 21:04 |
| schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Kernel-Hugs | Dec 08 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dropping Profanity In Kernel Code Comments: Linux Gets "Hugs" - Phoronix | Dec 08 21:04 | |
| vZS1 | Oh yeah | Dec 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2018-November/198581.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1811.3/07110.html | Dec 08 21:05 |
| vZS1 | I've seen profanity everywhere | Dec 08 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3 | Dec 08 21:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: [PATCH RFC 01/15] MIPS: replace **** with a hug | Dec 08 21:05 | |
| vZS1 | And snide remarks | Dec 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: we'll worry about therapy later | Dec 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | have you seen any "masters" yet? | Dec 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Like drive "master" and "slave"? | Dec 08 21:05 |
| vZS1 | Tbh, they're pretty shitty names to begin with | Dec 08 21:06 |
| vZS1 | I prefer stuff like "production" etc | Dec 08 21:07 |
| vZS1 | "test" | Dec 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | staging | Dec 08 21:07 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Dec 08 21:07 |
| vZS1 | The default names are trash | Dec 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | but you think of git | Dec 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | and similar | Dec 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | not drives | Dec 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | in drives you'd have a main copy of something and a backup or nonmain | Dec 08 21:08 |
| vZS1 | Primary | Dec 08 21:08 |
| schestowitz | like replication | Dec 08 21:08 |
| vZS1 | Replica | Dec 08 21:08 |
| vZS1 | So many better names | Dec 08 21:08 |
| vZS1 | From a technical standpoint | Dec 08 21:09 |
| vZS1 | Forget about the PC brigade | Dec 08 21:09 |
| vZS1 | This is just better naming conventions | Dec 08 21:09 |
| MinceR | i don't see why "master"/"slave" would be trash | Dec 08 21:09 |
| MinceR | and now it has the added benefit of triggering crybullies | Dec 08 21:09 |
| vZS1 | I use the word canonical a lot | Dec 08 21:10 |
| vZS1 | For drives | Dec 08 21:11 |
| vZS1 | I hope I don't get sued | Dec 08 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Google uses the term a lot | Dec 08 21:11 |
| schestowitz | e.g. "www" | Dec 08 21:11 |
| schestowitz | it's also used in my discipline | Dec 08 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | like similar forms in the geometric sense | Dec 08 21:12 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Dec 08 21:12 |
| schestowitz | the words are a distraction anyway | Dec 08 21:12 |
| schestowitz | too much debate about this BS | Dec 08 21:12 |
| schestowitz | and "HEY AYE" | Dec 08 21:12 |
| schestowitz | and "clown security" | Dec 08 21:12 |
| schestowitz | when the clown itself is the security breach | Dec 08 21:12 |
| vZS1 | It's their PC bullshittery with the names | Dec 08 21:12 |
| schestowitz | you literally leak your own data and customers' too... to the US army | Dec 08 21:12 |
| vZS1 | You can quietly change the names | Dec 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | and they then flatted your CTO/CIO | Dec 08 21:13 |
| vZS1 | For several good reasons | Dec 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | "modernisation" | Dec 08 21:13 |
| vZS1 | But no | Dec 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | "moving forward" | Dec 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | "agile" | Dec 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | all that jazz | Dec 08 21:13 |
| vZS1 | Put a big banner everywhere | Dec 08 21:13 |
| vZS1 | Real genuine concern | Dec 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | *flatter | Dec 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | not flatten | Dec 08 21:13 |
| vZS1 | Especially from companies that discriminate so much | Dec 08 21:14 |
| schestowitz | "we are moving to the clown" | Dec 08 21:14 |
| vZS1 | But people but into the BS | Dec 08 21:14 |
| schestowitz | because some "analyst"-sponsored magazine with gloss said it's the "thing" now | Dec 08 21:14 |
| vZS1 | s/but/buy | Dec 08 21:14 |
| schestowitz | the HEY HI on the clown will detect who discriminates | Dec 08 21:14 |
| schestowitz | and then dispatch a warning | Dec 08 21:14 |
| vZS1 | And they pick BLM as the time to do it as well | Dec 08 21:15 |
| vZS1 | How much more crass can they get | Dec 08 21:16 |
| vZS1 | It looks like Linux is just aggressively expanding procfs with more stuff and is hoping systemd will handle everything. And creating more of a mess. | Dec 08 21:24 |
| vZS1 | I had a look at some of the recent documentation committs. I saw loads dedicated to some TV drivers | Dec 08 21:25 |
| vZS1 | "vidtv" | Dec 08 21:27 |
| vZS1 | Priorities! | Dec 08 21:27 |
| schestowitz | in the KERNEL? | Dec 08 21:27 |
| schestowitz | why? | Dec 08 21:27 |
| vZS1 | Yes | Dec 08 21:27 |
| schestowitz | DRM? | Dec 08 21:27 |
| vZS1 | Don't ask me | Dec 08 21:27 |
| schestowitz | kernel-level lock-down? | Dec 08 21:27 |
| vZS1 | No. It's drivers | Dec 08 21:28 |
| vZS1 | Not DRM | Dec 08 21:28 |
| vZS1 | But I brought this up earlier | Dec 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | some TVs run Linux | Dec 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Tizen OS | Dec 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | They claim to run the most TVs | Dec 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | not most overall | Dec 08 21:28 |
| vZS1 | A lot of device driver code | Dec 08 21:28 |
| vZS1 | Actually | Dec 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | but most among the shares of different 'distros; | Dec 08 21:28 |
| vZS1 | Too much device driver code | Dec 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | they can share code | Dec 08 21:29 |
| schestowitz | some do | Dec 08 21:29 |
| schestowitz | commonalities | Dec 08 21:29 |
| schestowitz | greg k-h might be able to explain | Dec 08 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I know about webcams | Dec 08 21:29 |
| schestowitz | some people write a driver for one | Dec 08 21:29 |
| schestowitz | and it then enables hundreds more to work | Dec 08 21:29 |
| schestowitz | but I don't know the low-level details | Dec 08 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I suppose they use similar APIs | Dec 08 21:29 |
| vZS1 | My question is why bloat the kernel repo with driver code | Dec 08 21:30 |
| vZS1 | That should be in their own repo | Dec 08 21:30 |
| vZS1 | They can pull it in with submodules | Dec 08 21:30 |
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| vZS1 | The interfaces are the important thing | Dec 08 21:31 |
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| vZS1 | It's effort to swim through all this extra history and code to find the core functionality | Dec 08 21:31 |
| vZS1 | I don't want to know what TV driver is the hot thing with Linux rn. | Dec 08 21:32 |
| mjg59 | Because the kernel doesn't export any sort of stable internal ABI | Dec 08 21:33 |
| mjg59 | Any changes have to be made simultaneously across the entire tree | Dec 08 21:33 |
| mjg59 | Which you can't do if you're using submodules | Dec 08 21:33 |
| schestowitz | sounds like design problem | Dec 08 21:34 |
| schestowitz | can that be corrected? | Dec 08 21:34 |
| schestowitz | microkernels would have better modularity | Dec 08 21:34 |
| mjg59 | There's no technical reason for this | Dec 08 21:35 |
| mjg59 | It's a policy decision | Dec 08 21:35 |
| schestowitz | well, tbh, if it's all still in C, then that in itself is a design problem | Dec 08 21:35 |
| vZS1 | It's not that | Dec 08 21:35 |
| vZS1 | This is about keeping the repo tidy | Dec 08 21:35 |
| vZS1 | C is still a good programming language for systems | Dec 08 21:36 |
| vZS1 | But that's not the point here | Dec 08 21:36 |
| schestowitz | better than rust or some other microsoft-controlled thing | Dec 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz | with good namespace C can be OK | Dec 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz | and easier for a new adopter | Dec 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz | but I mean, look at the scale of it | Dec 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Torvalds just never really studied high-level programming | Dec 08 21:38 |
| schestowitz | so he rejects it on the basis of personal comfort zone/convenience | Dec 08 21:38 |
| schestowitz | https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-105a5 | Dec 08 21:38 |
| schestowitz | hmm... Android only | Dec 08 21:38 |
| schestowitz | sounds.... not so legit | Dec 08 21:39 |
| vZS1 | I see where you're coming from but C is fast. Faster than anything that isn't assembly | Dec 08 21:39 |
| vZS1 | That's important when you are writing a kernel or core utilities | Dec 08 21:39 |
| vZS1 | Try reimplementing GNU find in a high-level language and see how it compares with the C implementation | Dec 08 21:40 |
| schestowitz | depends on the compiler really | Dec 08 21:41 |
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| vZS1 | With the right algorithms and GCC, C is probably not going anywhere any time soon. | Dec 08 21:42 |
| vZS1 | But it'd be great to see a more abstract language with similar performance. | Dec 08 21:43 |
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| vZS1 | There are ones out there. They just need time to catch up. | Dec 08 21:43 |
| schestowitz | compiler has other aspects to it | Dec 08 21:44 |
| schestowitz | another language might be fine | Dec 08 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | but how it compiles for different arch may vary | Dec 08 21:44 |
| schestowitz | so you can end up with fine code that becomes crap on arm or power | Dec 08 21:44 |
| vZS1 | That just comes with being new | Dec 08 21:44 |
| schestowitz | i doubt linux cares much about performance anyway | Dec 08 21:44 |
| vZS1 | I just hope it isn't Rust | Dec 08 21:44 |
| schestowitz | it's bloated and it also works closely with systemd and kdbus etc. | Dec 08 21:45 |
| vZS1 | Because screw working with a language that doesn't even have a specification | Dec 08 21:45 |
| schestowitz | those are added complexity and bloat | Dec 08 21:45 |
| schestowitz | for things that could otherwise be very simple | Dec 08 21:45 |
| schestowitz | rust is Microsoft | Dec 08 21:45 |
| schestowitz | ShitHub | Dec 08 21:45 |
| schestowitz | and they censor Microsoft critics | Dec 08 21:45 |
| schestowitz | they're overzealous about social control and speech policing | Dec 08 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft might even hire the team | Dec 08 21:46 |
| schestowitz | maybe they first wait for many projects to become rust-dependent | Dec 08 21:46 |
| schestowitz | the submarine/ambush strategy, like buying GitHub | Dec 08 21:46 |
| schestowitz | GNOME has some people dabbling in rust | Dec 08 21:46 |
| schestowitz | and some want rust to be inside Linux | Dec 08 21:46 |
| vZS1 | Rust forces people to use cargo | Dec 08 21:47 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ | Dec 08 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights | Dec 08 21:47 | |
| vZS1 | These new languages all try to draw in unsuspecting beginners to become wholly dependent on their packaging/build systems. | Dec 08 21:49 |
| vZS1 | Then they struggle moving somewhere else. | Dec 08 21:50 |
| vZS1 | It's pretty evil | Dec 08 21:50 |
| schestowitz | same for is | Dec 08 21:50 |
| schestowitz | os | Dec 08 21:50 |
| schestowitz | snaps, rpm... | Dec 08 21:50 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Dec 08 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I stopped writing GUIs | Dec 08 21:51 |
| schestowitz | used to make lots of them | Dec 08 21:51 |
| schestowitz | then realised I was making s chain of redundant dependencies | Dec 08 21:51 |
| schestowitz | cogl (opengl) | Dec 08 21:51 |
| schestowitz | gtk | Dec 08 21:51 |
| schestowitz | octave | Dec 08 21:51 |
| schestowitz | gnu utilities and their unix equivalents barely change for half a century | Dec 08 21:52 |
| schestowitz | not they try to kill off xorg as well | Dec 08 21:52 |
| vZS1 | I only use graphics for data visualization | Dec 08 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I used many x interfaces | Dec 08 21:52 |
| schestowitz | so wayland if OUT of the question | Dec 08 21:52 |
| vZS1 | And media | Dec 08 21:52 |
| schestowitz | gplot can abstract away some of it | Dec 08 21:52 |
| schestowitz | gnuplot | Dec 08 21:53 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. Python has good plotting libraries too | Dec 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | python kills off old code | Dec 08 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | like some python2 functions | Dec 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | same issue in php | Dec 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | there's the term "technical debt" | Dec 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | in here it's something like "wasted investment" | Dec 08 21:54 |
| schestowitz | you put in lots of time to make something | Dec 08 21:54 |
| vZS1 | If they kill off my old code I'll just run it sandboxed | Dec 08 21:54 |
| schestowitz | and then against your will you code gets obsolete | Dec 08 21:54 |
| schestowitz | because of someone else's decision | Dec 08 21:54 |
| schestowitz | imagemagick still works mostly OK | Dec 08 21:54 |
| schestowitz | gimp keeps changing | Dec 08 21:55 |
| schestowitz | far too much | Dec 08 21:55 |
| schestowitz | their GUI is a circus, keeps changing too much across major releases | Dec 08 21:55 |
| vZS1 | Why don't you just stick to a version that works for you | Dec 08 21:55 |
| schestowitz | GIMP 3.x took me a while to get used to, and only barely manageable after I added many add-ons to it | Dec 08 21:55 |
| schestowitz | they go for the "UX" BS | Dec 08 21:55 |
| schestowitz | removing options | Dec 08 21:55 |
| schestowitz | making one big windows | Dec 08 21:55 |
| schestowitz | ruining fine workflow | Dec 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | and compelling you to hunt for libraries that used to be in the core package | Dec 08 21:56 |
| vZS1 | Moving target syndrome | Dec 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:55] <vZS1> Why don't you just stick to a version that works for you | Dec 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | you think low-level stuff | Dec 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | with gimp they don't package old ones | Dec 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | unless you run an old distro in a VM | Dec 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | they don't have a gimp-1-3 and gimp2 package | Dec 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | it's use the latest of "f off" | Dec 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | *or | Dec 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | xchat became .xchat2 | Dec 08 21:57 |
| vZS1 | You might want to just take the trouble to figure out a source build | Dec 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | gimp became .gimp2 | Dec 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | now higher | Dec 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | because they're revamping the whole thing | Dec 08 21:57 |
| vZS1 | Packages will always be out of your control | Dec 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | That's what she said | Dec 08 21:58 |
| vZS1 | Anyway. I'm off to bed now. Gn | Dec 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | gn | Dec 08 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Internet Explorer is a good example of technical debt. | Dec 08 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe the best one. | Dec 08 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have to keep it or applications break. More specifically, they even have to keep a rendering personality from the version they released 19 years ago, or applications break. | Dec 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | activex also | Dec 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | they added things just to sabotage rivals | Dec 08 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since it's there, it's a constant source of security problems. They have to keep patching and patching it. | Dec 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | and then they're expected to carry them along | Dec 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | with all the security issues those entail | Dec 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | like access to disk by a remote site | Dec 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | "feature" | Dec 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | to make Netscape not work | Dec 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I see you beat me to it | Dec 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | re security | Dec 08 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, they shove plug-ins you don't want into other people's browsers too. | Dec 08 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't imagine that Firefox didn't have Microsoft in mind along with malware droppers when they started doing extension signing enforcement. | Dec 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | those are opposed to software freedom | Dec 08 22:03 |
| schestowitz | there are other means | Dec 08 22:03 |
| schestowitz | for establishing trust | Dec 08 22:03 |
| schestowitz | to engineer control over the user you exaggerate a crisis | Dec 08 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla still signs Bypass Paywalls. | Dec 08 22:04 |
| schestowitz | and offer solutions that resruct users | Dec 08 22:04 |
| schestowitz | placing more control in the hands of vendors | Dec 08 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they threw it out of their add-ons store because of what it can do | Dec 08 22:04 |
| schestowitz | there are police dept. equivalents | Dec 08 22:04 |
| schestowitz | (in the "real world") IRL | Dec 08 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla is a mess now | Dec 08 22:04 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/08/ | Dec 08 22:04 |
| schestowitz | " #mozilla : we discourage or blocking you from accessing sites without certs, but our own browser #firefox spies on you so we're hypocrites wrt #privacy " | Dec 08 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Dec 08 22:05 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least there is an off setting for the telemetry. | Dec 08 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unlike Windows, where you can only muzzle it a little, as much as they allow you to. | Dec 08 22:05 |
| schestowitz | vArmed Individuals Surround MI Sec of State's Home Demanding Overturn of #Election https://truthout.org/articles/armed-individuals-surround-mi-sec-of-states-home-demanding-overturn-of-election/ | Dec 08 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Armed Individuals Surround MI Sec of State's Home Demanding Overturn of Election | Dec 08 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | oh wow | Dec 08 22:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Lemonade, my renter's insurance company, suspended the ability to change your policy due to "ongoing events in your area". | Dec 08 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sounds to me like they probably had an uptick in break-ins and they want to just sit there and stop people from upping their policy limits to cut their losses. | Dec 08 22:10 |
| schestowitz | hmmm.. | Dec 08 22:11 |
| schestowitz | insurers would have many issues now | Dec 08 22:12 |
| schestowitz | more claims | Dec 08 22:12 |
| schestowitz | and some who cannot pay for their policies anymore | Dec 08 22:12 |
| schestowitz | we need to renew our home insurance this month | Dec 08 22:12 |
| schestowitz | at least we both still work | Dec 08 22:12 |
| schestowitz | worse off are the estate companies | Dec 08 22:14 |
| schestowitz | esp. commercial estates | Dec 08 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Supreme Court issues death blow to outgoing one term failed president Trump's fraud against the voters. | Dec 08 22:14 |
| schestowitz | malls, office space... | Dec 08 22:14 |
| schestowitz | the mortgage takers | Dec 08 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's what I said to dad to go along with this.... | Dec 08 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/politics/supreme-court-pennsylvania-trump-biden/index.html | Dec 08 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supreme Court rejects Pennsylvania Republicans' attempt to block Biden victory - CNNPolitics | Dec 08 22:14 | |
| schestowitz | or people who took a mortgage based on some rental payments they collect (but no longer do) | Dec 08 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Supreme Court handed down a ruling refusing to block the certification in Pennsylvania. | Dec 08 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CNN reports that there were no dissenters in the court's decision. | Dec 08 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's hilarious. | Dec 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | so even Trump's two testicles 'betrayed' him | Dec 08 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Three of Trump's judges wouldn't play along, including Amy Coney Barrett, who he said he was appointing because he expected her to rig the election for him. | Dec 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | and the women he put there to replace RBG | Dec 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | *woman | Dec 08 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's on the court for life. She doesn't have to do anything for him. | Dec 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | yeah, you beat me to it | Dec 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | she is young | Dec 08 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't fire a supreme court judge. They'd have to be impeached. | Dec 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | so can be there to cause damage for as long as 50 yars | Dec 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | if the US and SCOTUS last that long | Dec 08 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, but several of the Republican judges aren't going to last that long. | Dec 08 22:17 |
| search_social | cheating in elections is a good way to make sure us doesn't last long | Dec 08 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Clarence Thomas is likely the next one to die. He's an old black man. | Dec 08 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even with a Supreme Court judge's government health insurance, you're not going to live forever. | Dec 08 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Scalia died in his 'ranch' | Dec 08 22:18 |
| schestowitz | afaik, he wasn't living healthy | Dec 08 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What Barrett is to RBG, Thomas was to Thurgood Marshall. | Dec 08 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans knew there'd be hell to pay in the election if they didn't appoint some black guy. | Dec 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | looked like some chops eater or some pseudo-rugged type | Dec 08 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So here's some right-wing token n****r that'll play ball why not. | Dec 08 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's all that went on there, as far as they were concerned. | Dec 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | there was a sex scnadal too | Dec 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Thomas | Dec 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | way to have leverage | Dec 08 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just a few decades removed from black people being pulled off the bus and beaten within an inch of their life if they sat in front of a white person. By the police. | Dec 08 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And here they find a right-wing black guy to be on the court. | Dec 08 22:20 |
| search_social | that's cuz he knows what white libs like you do to black people | Dec 08 22:20 |
| schestowitz | "libs"? | Dec 08 22:21 |
| schestowitz | "lib not found" | Dec 08 22:21 |
| schestowitz | the police who aggress and abuse blacks are typically voting right-wing | Dec 08 22:21 |
| schestowitz | not "libs" | Dec 08 22:21 |
| schestowitz | to claim that republicans are more compassionate towards blacks than "libs" is laughable and outlandish | Dec 08 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Did you mean /usr/lib? | Dec 08 22:22 |
| search_social | well if you don't believe me you can ask black people yourself | Dec 08 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Let me correct that for you with a symlink. | Dec 08 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | -Fedora | Dec 08 22:22 |
| search_social | there's a reason blacks are voting for Trump in droves | Dec 08 22:23 |
| schestowitz | in Florida about 90% of black people voter NOT for Trump | Dec 08 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, all 8% of them who responded positively to Trump's toxicity. | Dec 08 22:23 |
| search_social | and it's cuz they are tired of dem lies | Dec 08 22:23 |
| schestowitz | because they know who called countries like Nigeria "shithole" | Dec 08 22:23 |
| search_social | of course dems are very angry that blacks are leaving the dem planation | Dec 08 22:23 |
| search_social | and so constantly slur every black that isn't a dem slave | Dec 08 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump went off the rails at the debate and into needlessly pissing off voters, some of which would have supported him until he said their home countries were filthy and backwards. | Dec 08 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or the country that their parents were from, you know. | Dec 08 22:24 |
| search_social | they are | Dec 08 22:24 |
| search_social | blacks realize that dems are all talk and no action and they are tired of it | Dec 08 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, and he won't be the president anymore next month because he needlessly went out of his way to call them shithole countries again. | Dec 08 22:24 |
| search_social | cuz they are | Dec 08 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's probably all it took in at least a couple states. | Dec 08 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, America has rapidly turned into a shithole country because of Trump. | Dec 08 22:25 |
| search_social | cuz of dems | Dec 08 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a plague colony with passports that have been voided out because he went golfing and then told Pfizer he didn't want enough vaccine doses. | Dec 08 22:25 |
| search_social | i like how yesterday you were smart enough to realize pfizer is corrupt | Dec 08 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't use your passport as an American anymore because we're seen as diseased. | Dec 08 22:25 |
| search_social | but today it's back to trusting pfizer blindly | Dec 08 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think, like it or not, we're going to need as many doses of that vaccine as we can get. | Dec 08 22:26 |
| search_social | yesterday | Dec 08 22:26 |
| search_social | you were literally | Dec 08 22:26 |
| search_social | smart enough | Dec 08 22:26 |
| search_social | to point how taking an untested vac ine from big pharma is a bad idea | Dec 08 22:26 |
| search_social | but today | Dec 08 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because even if we had to stop it because there's something wrong, it's a small risk to come up with the money to have them. | Dec 08 22:26 |
| search_social | it's back to insanity | Dec 08 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's definitely going to cost our economy more to not have a vaccine than it will to risk a relatively small amount of money on stockpiling a vaccine that might not be usable. | Dec 08 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like an insurance policy, we buy them, it's not an investment. It's risk management. | Dec 08 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who don't understand that end up insuring things that they could afford to replace at a cost that's not worth it, and not insuring things that they can't afford to lose. | Dec 08 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: | Dec 08 22:29 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EzsAgttfcIawDxFxYFUaRWSQ/message.txt > | Dec 08 22:29 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/RSfZeFNFsDCzVDUvUueHBkOt/message.txt > | Dec 08 22:29 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trolling Felta. | Dec 08 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/tech/fireeye-cyberattack/index.html | Dec 08 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A firm that helps protect businesses and cities from cyberattacks just got hit by one - CNN | Dec 08 22:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/business/goya-aoc-employee-of-the-month/index.html | Dec 08 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Goya CEO names Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 'employee of the month,' claiming her tweets boosted sales - CNN | Dec 08 22:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump grinning like an idiot with a pile of Goya products is the reason I will never buy one again. | Dec 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | [22:31] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/tech/fireeye-cyberattack/index.html << Ariadne knows them | Dec 08 22:34 |
| schestowitz | the irony | Dec 08 22:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So let me get this straight.....a boycott is suppression of speech and you're furious and going crazy on Twitter, while at the same time insisting sales have never been better. | Dec 08 22:34 |
| schestowitz | this is not news | Dec 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | it's "tweets" packaged as "news" | Dec 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | typical CNN | Dec 08 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, Goya is a private company and so does not have to publish their sales to the public, but I doubt very much that the family that owns the company would be as angry at their CEO as they are had he not done net damage to the brand. | Dec 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | there's more important type of stories to cover | Dec 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | than some 'tweet wars' | Dec 08 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't even have to cook the books for the SEC reports like Microsoft does. | Dec 08 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To bandage over Windows, which is bleeding, and being propped up by mass firing, untested updates, and subsidies flowing in from subscriptions, XBOX, and Azure. | Dec 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | everything is clown now | Dec 08 22:37 |
| Ariadne | lol fire eye | Dec 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | reclassify as clown | Dec 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | clown is the future | Dec 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | ignore azure layoffs | Dec 08 22:37 |
| Ariadne | some malware was built as an alpine docker container | Dec 08 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Bill Gates touted, in 2003, that Windows Server 2003 was the "most tested" version of Windows ever released, with a team of well over 3,500 full time product testers. | Dec 08 22:37 |
| Ariadne | so fireeye said | Dec 08 22:38 |
| schestowitz | things are thus great, buy more MSFT shares!! Help the ponzi scheme. | Dec 08 22:38 |
| Ariadne | the packages that malware downloaded | Dec 08 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guess what. There are 0 product testers. It's all telemetry and using a certain percentage of customers as guinea pigs for broken updates now. | Dec 08 22:38 |
| Ariadne | were malware | Dec 08 22:38 |
| schestowitz | typical | Dec 08 22:38 |
| Ariadne | we had to threaten to sue them to get them to fuck off | Dec 08 22:38 |
| schestowitz | so you can install malware | Dec 08 22:38 |
| schestowitz | on apline | Dec 08 22:38 |
| schestowitz | as alpine as malware | Dec 08 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you do have to use Windows 10, you should set it to delay updates. | Dec 08 22:38 |
| schestowitz | so alpine lets you shoot yourself | Dec 08 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think it lets you delay them by like 2 weeks or so after they become available. | Dec 08 22:39 |
| Ariadne | well somebody built a malware | Dec 08 22:39 |
| Ariadne | which used alpine docker container | Dec 08 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That gives someone else time to step in it and for a broken update to be retracted before your computer pulls it in. | Dec 08 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: same as some android and linux stuff... | Dec 08 22:39 |
| Ariadne | so the stuff the docker container downloaded fireeye concluded was malware itself | Dec 08 22:39 |
| schestowitz | you can't stop people doing that, but you can prevent them putting that on your system | Dec 08 22:39 |
| schestowitz | wget is malware | Dec 08 22:40 |
| Ariadne | right precisely | Dec 08 22:40 |
| schestowitz | because you can run wget <some malware | sh | Dec 08 22:40 |
| schestowitz | sh 0 | Dec 08 22:40 |
| schestowitz | sh - | Dec 08 22:40 |
| Ariadne | like i said we had to threaten to sue them | Dec 08 22:40 |
| Ariadne | to make them stop | Dec 08 22:40 |
| Ariadne | because some security researcher had his head up his ass | Dec 08 22:40 |
| schestowitz | they start with the conclusion | Dec 08 22:40 |
| schestowitz | see zdnet | Dec 08 22:40 |
| schestowitz | any week | Dec 08 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Linux... something malware | Dec 08 22:41 |
| Ariadne | and management was like | Dec 08 22:41 |
| schestowitz | and then it turns out some stuff that can run on linux does a bad thing | Dec 08 22:41 |
| Ariadne | we stand by the researcher | Dec 08 22:41 |
| Ariadne | so it was like | Dec 08 22:41 |
| Ariadne | oh ok | Dec 08 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft mentions if you use Insider Builds of Windows, it ignores your telemetry setting. | Dec 08 22:41 |
| schestowitz | and they don't bother explaining why it'd get onto linux... or how the kernel is to blame | Dec 08 22:41 |
| Ariadne | we will just sue you then for defamation | Dec 08 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Basic is treated as Enhanced. | Dec 08 22:41 |
| Ariadne | i bet they wouldn’t have done that to fedora | Dec 08 22:41 |
| Ariadne | cause they know red hat would have sued their ass | Dec 08 22:41 |
| schestowitz | who still uses fedora? :-) | Dec 08 22:42 |
| schestowitz | red hat is canning centos now | Dec 08 22:42 |
| Ariadne | my mother does | Dec 08 22:42 |
| schestowitz | rolling it onto a tumbleweed | Dec 08 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wasn't happy with what happened to their KDE SIG. | Dec 08 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's down to less than a skeleton crew. | Dec 08 22:42 |
| schestowitz | IBM has many skeletons... in the closer | Dec 08 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One person who has been there from the KDE on Red Hat beginning (Rex Dieter), and a few part timers who mostly use Edge on Windows 10. | Dec 08 22:43 |
| schestowitz | *closet | Dec 08 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's completely falling apart. | Dec 08 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora's KDE spin has totally gone off the rails. | Dec 08 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Rex Dieter never responded to my email | Dec 08 22:43 |
| schestowitz | the poor guy | Dec 08 22:43 |
| schestowitz | italian in australia, gave him life away to this project | Dec 08 22:43 |
| schestowitz | hard boring work | Dec 08 22:43 |
| schestowitz | and canned for no good reasons | Dec 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | maybe joking at some companies | Dec 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | as a volunteer rightly should | Dec 08 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are constantly things going on in the guts of the operating system that KDE is not ready for, and they bubble up as strange errors that seem to happen for no particular reason. | Dec 08 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's been like this for years. | Dec 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | not on my current setup | Dec 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | which is very predictable | Dec 08 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When systemd landed, they shipped the release anyway even though KDE wasn't able to reboot using systemd. | Dec 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I can barely thing of a bug that I keep seeing | Dec 08 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you'd tell it to reboot and nothing would happen. | Dec 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | many konqueror has a few | Dec 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | *maybe | Dec 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | i think due to a corrupt profile | Dec 08 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If you depend on KDE at all, you need to go with a distribution that slows the insanity down and freezes packages in a known good state and then does long term support. | Dec 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | causing it to crash unless I start is safely rather than restore a session | Dec 08 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because these fly by the seat of your pants distributions are breaking KDE all the time. | Dec 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | 2,427 deaths now, TX not reporting yet | Dec 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | TX can be +200 | Dec 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | 3,000 still attainable for the day | Dec 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | some states lock down now | Dec 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | UK will revise status Dec 16th | Dec 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | day before my bday | Dec 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | this thursday we get free massage | Dec 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | well, massively discounted, not free | Dec 08 22:48 |
| schestowitz | all the parlors are doing massive discounts and few remained open at all | Dec 08 22:48 |
| schestowitz | the whole hospitality sector collapsed | Dec 08 22:48 |
| schestowitz | My sister flew to UAE | Dec 08 22:49 |
| schestowitz | with the whole family | Dec 08 22:49 |
| schestowitz | what kind of person flies in December with COVID? | Dec 08 22:49 |
| schestowitz | The US passport is a warning sign now | Dec 08 22:49 |
| schestowitz | 110,133/1m infected/positive | Dec 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | that's more than 1 in 10 | Dec 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | in Dakota | Dec 08 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Kubuntu LTS tends to work fine even though the 6 month releases can get a bit hairy. | Dec 08 22:51 |
| schestowitz | they don't invest in all | Dec 08 22:51 |
| schestowitz | just the LTS | Dec 08 22:51 |
| schestowitz | or just get latest Debian "Stable" | Dec 08 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's because Ubuntu is trying to base their release cycles for the short term versions on GNOME and gets it working, and their attitude with KDE is "I'm not gonna pay a lot for this muffler.". | Dec 08 22:51 |
| schestowitz | their KDE build is very good IME | Dec 08 22:51 |
| schestowitz | for rianne also | Dec 08 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Debian/KDE | Dec 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Brazil was going to adopt it in all schools a decade ago | Dec 08 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But with the LTS they slow down and usually don't ship the latest systemd, and work on bugs that they normally wouldn't bother with and not introduce a ton of big features, and ship an LTS version of Plasma, KDE Applications, and Qt. | Dec 08 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's going to work much better. | Dec 08 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I wait for Debian 11, I'm going to have to deal with Windows 10 for a few weeks. | Dec 08 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My experience with Debian is not much, a long time ago, and it was pretty terrible when I did install it. | Dec 08 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The desktop role didn't get any fit and finish, at all. | Dec 08 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do they even do live installers now so you can see what you get first? | Dec 08 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I like the live installer method because it lets me assess the state of support for the hardware in the computer that I am evaluating the operating system on. | Dec 08 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The last thing you want to do is install it and then reboot and find out it doesn't boot, or it doesn't support your graphics or wifi at all or something. | Dec 08 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now you've gotten rid of an OS that at least worked (Windows probably, but hey) and you have a complete mess on your hands. | Dec 08 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I usually kick around a few distributions and see who supports my new computer the best, and with new hardware it's tricky. | Dec 08 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Usually, the newest kernel and Mesa that you can find are what's most likely to work. | Dec 08 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Intel is still landing Tiger Lake stuff in Linux-next, so I'm sure that this Linux 5.6-OEM kernel that my new laptop is certified with doesn't actually work as well as a later kernel. | Dec 08 22:58 |
| psydroid | I only started using Debian on real hardware in 2017, as it finally seemed stable and "not-buggy" enough | Dec 08 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I do every sanity check I can think of to make sure the installation goes over well, including testing the files on the installer to make sure they match their checksums. | Dec 08 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It only takes a few minutes and then you at least know you're not dealing with a corrupt live installer. | Dec 08 22:59 |
| psydroid | I think it's better than Ubuntu now in terms of drivers and software working | Dec 08 23:00 |
| psydroid | But yes, the installer could use some work | Dec 08 23:00 |
| psydroid | And it was also buggy for Debian 10 releases on non-x86 architectures | Dec 08 23:00 |
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| tr_guest|44886 | why do u think system1 bought startpage and waterfox? | Dec 08 23:19 |
| tr_guest|44886 | like what would be the motive? | Dec 08 23:19 |
| tr_guest|44886 | and waterfox is open source they can't do anything too shady | Dec 08 23:19 |
| smnthermes | https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/join-the-anti-establishment/ | Dec 08 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Join the anti-establishment | The Firefox Frontier | Dec 08 23:24 | |
| smnthermes | Hahahahahaha | Dec 08 23:24 |
| MinceR | does "joining the anti-establishment" require poetteringaudio? | Dec 08 23:26 |
| MinceR | if so, they can count me out | Dec 08 23:26 |
| cybrNaut | tr_guest|44886: system1 is an ad company, so startpage is a way to push the ads. Buying a browser would be a way to control the default search engine, and probably phone home with data for marketing | Dec 08 23:37 |
| tr_guest|44886 | @cybrNaut but waterfox is open source and most of the people using it are privacy educated. if they do something like this almost everyone will abandon waterfox | Dec 08 23:39 |
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