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| schestowitz | > It’s like, was being blacklisted for two years just a shot across her bow and punishment for a journalist who makes a living off of covering Microsoft and maintaining access to them? Given how she fell in line, it seems like a perfect example of how Microsoft and other tech companies can silence journalists and even get them fired if they’re are exclusively on that companies beat. | Aug 09 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | > What’s a news outlet to do with a journalist that they hired to cover Microsoft if Microsoft has blacklisted them? Fire/hire a new one that isn’t blacklisted? What do you think journalists are going to do in such situations besides play ball, drink the wine, enjoy the swag, and do little else than promote the technology industry, especially when the world is blind to the offense otherwise. It’s just their little secret... | Aug 09 00:07 |
| schestowitz | 1. Not only Microsoft does it | Aug 09 00:07 |
| schestowitz | 2. What you state above is correct. | Aug 09 00:07 |
| schestowitz | 3. EPO does this also. | Aug 09 00:07 |
| schestowitz | So what you can do it fill the gaps where media is failing. | Aug 09 00:07 |
| schestowitz | (this is about MJF/ZDNet) | Aug 09 00:08 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/love-5 | Aug 09 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Love | Aug 09 00:26 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Never love anything, kiddo. You just end up losing it." -Penny (That godawful Lost in Space movie.) | Aug 09 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: That's how they appeal to people with religion. | Aug 09 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Jesus won't walk out on you, take you to court, or try to get your husband deported!" | Aug 09 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Jesus is looking out for you! | Aug 09 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Except for all those times people walked out on you, took you to court, etc. etc. and you were considering painting the walls with your brain. | Aug 09 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Jesus kind of dropped the ball on that one. | Aug 09 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Don't worry. If you become selfish, nihilistic, and tune the world out as a defense mechanism, Jesus eventually totally won't be there when your hair falls out and then you get cancer. | Aug 09 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But he'll be there all the rest of the time. Yep, yep. Footprints in the sand, MinceR Footprints in the sand. | Aug 09 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I really laughed hard at the South Park episode where the United States government builds a Stargate to the Imagination, and sends Kurt Russel through, who gets raped by Christmas Critters. | Aug 09 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they decide to nuke the imagination. Then Luke Skywalker, Superman, and Jesus start talking to Stan. | Aug 09 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's executive orders today are ridiculous. | Aug 09 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firstly, they happened too soon without giving Congress another chance. Secondly, they'll be enjoined by a court shortly. Thirdly, even if they go through, it's an attack on Social Security, which also rips more demand out of the economy and ensures a bigger mess than we have now with a double dip of job losses. | Aug 09 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, some states may refuse the unemployment funding because if a court rules that Trump didn't have the authority to give it to them, they're going to have to use state money to pay back the federal government. | Aug 09 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Another round of layoffs will cause other people to panic even if they thought they were in no danger of losing their job, and they'll stop spending, and the mess just continues. | Aug 09 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Further, a moratorium on evictions just means that more landlords are stuck with tenants that aren't paying them and then the landlord will have to give up and put their LLC into bankruptcy. | Aug 09 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the landlord goes bankrupt, nobody can force him to keep the utilities turned on and so the lights go out and the water gets shut off. | Aug 09 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump didn't actually fix anything today. He just made it much worse and I can see a case for Republicans joining in a resolution of disapproval that voids the entire scheme out before it even gets to a court. | Aug 09 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's trying to rig things up so they don't fall apart for a few more months while he needs votes, and then it can all fall apart. | Aug 09 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I wonder how many landlords are late on their property taxes. | Aug 09 01:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I could see Illinois trying to solve this problem by seizing the properties in a tax sale and then transferring them to the local Housing Authority. | Aug 09 01:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There may not be any other option once Trump gets done here. | Aug 09 01:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Other states will probably have to resort to doing the same thing unless they want riots that they are incapable of putting down. | Aug 09 01:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they said Bernie would lead to Communism. Trump's doing a fine job of that all by himself. | Aug 09 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He did another student loan scoop and toss today as well to try to keep people's anger at him to a minimum until the election is over. | Aug 09 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, if TikTok succeeds in their lawsuit against him.....I mean, an injunction against his order will be granted that could outlast the remainder of his presidency since the plaintiff can prove irreparable harm if it is allowed to stand while the lawsuit works its way through the courts, then they'll get the court to slap down the Red Scare-era laws that Trump is trying to use in his illegal taking to force them to | Aug 09 01:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | sell to Microsoft, where they'll turn into an informant app for the NSA, like Skype and Facebook. | Aug 09 01:56 |
| schestowitz | also propaganda tool | Aug 09 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft said they'd spend $30 billion to get an app that's probably just some kind of passing fad. | Aug 09 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that Trump is setting himself up for something that Congress and the Supreme Court will not allow. | Aug 09 01:59 |
| schestowitz | I am about to publish "Techrights is Not Against Microsoft" | Aug 09 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From my reading of John Roberts (perhaps other Republicans on the court), they do want to remain an institution of the government, and if Trump is allowed to do whatever he wants by executive order, the court loses its powers and they don't get to decide anything anymore. | Aug 09 02:00 |
| schestowitz | It mentions tiktok | Aug 09 02:00 |
| schestowitz | wanna check with me? | Aug 09 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Aug 09 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans on the court are not necessarily onboard with gutting the court's authority. | Aug 09 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they stop him, they can implement their agenda the way they want to. | Aug 09 02:01 |
| schestowitz | OK, quick | Aug 09 02:01 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/08/not-against-microsoft/ | Aug 09 02:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights is Not Against Microsoft | Techrights | Aug 09 02:01 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they don't, they will be irrelevant. | Aug 09 02:01 |
| schestowitz | didn't proofread it yet | Aug 09 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, I think they'll be hesitant to give Trump broad new powers that could go to Biden in a matter of days.. | Aug 09 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "if they’re are" | Aug 09 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | if they are | Aug 09 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "on that companies beat" | Aug 09 02:06 |
| schestowitz | heers | Aug 09 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | on that company's beat | Aug 09 02:06 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Aug 09 02:06 |
| schestowitz | not my words | Aug 09 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "something I follow closely for years" | Aug 09 02:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've followed | Aug 09 02:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The links at the bottom are quite long. | Aug 09 02:12 |
| schestowitz | eys | Aug 09 02:12 |
| schestowitz | yes | Aug 09 02:12 |
| schestowitz | I fixed that and other things too, along the way | Aug 09 02:12 |
| schestowitz | next post will be about FSF | Aug 09 02:12 |
| schestowitz | I got a tip (info) from somebody | Aug 09 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The FSF is pretty far gone. That's what happens when you take "corporate sponsor" money. | Aug 09 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not like corporations are just handing out free money for no reason. Microsoft is buying influence with the paychecks that are not going out anymore to the people they laid off. | Aug 09 02:15 |
| schestowitz | they even water down their own posts | Aug 09 02:15 |
| schestowitz | to appease sponsors | Aug 09 02:15 |
| schestowitz | to be "professional" | Aug 09 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they really wanted to be generous they could figure out something for them to do, or give them a nice severance package at least. | Aug 09 02:16 |
| schestowitz | yup | Aug 09 02:16 |
| schestowitz | they cannot be generous | Aug 09 02:16 |
| schestowitz | shareholders would oppose that | Aug 09 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From what I'm hearing, the IBM severance package to Red Hat employees is a month's salary. | Aug 09 02:16 |
| schestowitz | wow | Aug 09 02:16 |
| schestowitz | source? | Aug 09 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | thelayoff | Aug 09 02:16 |
| schestowitz | can you find it? | Aug 09 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably. | Aug 09 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/13hlUJy1 | Aug 09 02:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Culture @ redhat - post regarding Red Hat layoffs | Aug 09 02:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "sorry to hear that. If it's like the red layoffs from last fall, they are given a month severance and their access to anything internal is immediately cut off. All the while, management will claim "these people were given the chance to find new positions". They were? No they weren't. That's like being figuratively walked to the curb and being told you can't talk to anyone inside anymore. Funniest thing is that even | Aug 09 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | after being gone 6 months, there are still working links that many have and some logins that IT forgot to close. I guess that's the obstacle when you let engineers build their own doors for a project." | Aug 09 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there's already been at least one round that hit Red Hat and nearly a year ago. | Aug 09 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, IBM is incredibly cheap when it comes to severance packages. | Aug 09 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A company that laid off a friend of mine who was making diesel engines agreed to 6 months of his usual salary and they wouldn't fight his unemployment claim. | Aug 09 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They came in and said we're letting people go permanently. If you volunteer for it, then this is the severance package. Six months salary, we'll pay our normal share of your COBRA (health insurance), and we'll let your unemployment claim go through without objection. | Aug 09 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | COBRA is an option you have to keep taking your health insurance from your job when you quit, but your former employer doesn't pay for it, so it's usually 5 times as expensive as it was when you worked there, and since you're unemployed you just have to go without healthcare even though it's "an option". | Aug 09 02:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, it only covers you for 6 months if you do decide to take it. | Aug 09 02:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you're low income, forget about it. | Aug 09 02:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It cushions middle class on up when they lose their job because they get unemployment checks that are usually large enough to cover that as well as their immediate needs. | Aug 09 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So basically it's a giant middle finger. You know? You lose your job and "Oh, you can keep your health insurance. It's just going to take 90% of your unemployment check. Have fun with the rent!". | Aug 09 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Naturally, it was a Republican law. | Aug 09 02:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: http://techrights.org/2020/08/08/fsf-github/ | Aug 09 02:42 |
| schestowitz | have a look | Aug 09 02:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New FSF Video Makes the Case Against Microsoft GitHub (and Similar), So Why is the FSF’s Board Being Filled Up With Active GitHub Users? | Techrights | Aug 09 02:42 | |
| schestowitz | it's funny in a way | Aug 09 02:42 |
| schestowitz | draft only | Aug 09 02:42 |
| schestowitz | ok, done | Aug 09 02:56 |
| schestowitz | now the red hat pointer, DaemonFC[m], looking into it.. | Aug 09 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is just cheap. | Aug 09 02:57 |
| schestowitz | outsourcing to India is too | Aug 09 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure they have to sign something to get the one month of salary. | Aug 09 02:57 |
| schestowitz | why people like Carl Farmer vote Orange Nazi | Aug 09 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like they can't talk about the layoffs or something. I'm sure that's why they come there to say it anonymously. Probably behind Tor. | Aug 09 02:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/red-hat-layoffs/ | Aug 09 02:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isn’t Even Using GNU/Linux | Techrights | Aug 09 02:58 | |
| schestowitz | it's already in there | Aug 09 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Orange Nazi is having his voters sort of laid waste to as their reward for listening to him. | Aug 09 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He should be wanting the voting to be done as soon as possible before more of them die. | Aug 09 03:00 |
| schestowitz | So I think we covered already the one month aspect | Aug 09 03:00 |
| schestowitz | or quoted that part | Aug 09 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Aug 09 03:00 |
| schestowitz | to the degree we know about it | Aug 09 03:00 |
| schestowitz | unless there's more in there somewhere | Aug 09 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, they cover up the Coronavirus deaths. It's probably well over 200,000 by now if they're admitting it's 165,070. | Aug 09 03:01 |
| schestowitz | Today is the day COVID-19 cases worldwide surpass 20 million | Aug 09 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't want mass panic so they have to make it look like it's bad but it's not as bad as it is. | Aug 09 03:01 |
| schestowitz | yup | Aug 09 03:02 |
| schestowitz | anyhoo | Aug 09 03:02 |
| schestowitz | we still work from home | Aug 09 03:02 |
| schestowitz | and we get back as a client london's town hall | Aug 09 03:03 |
| schestowitz | which will probably give some work security I need to carry on doing techrights without selling out in any way | Aug 09 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All these states go, "Welp, we looked through our death records and here's 6,800 more that we didn't tell you about from the last two months." or whatever. | Aug 09 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Florida will never admit anything like that. | Aug 09 03:03 |
| schestowitz | nope | Aug 09 03:03 |
| schestowitz | I need help with something, DaemonFC[m] | Aug 09 03:04 |
| schestowitz | my friend David, who is almost 80, used to work for IBM | Aug 09 03:04 |
| schestowitz | he told me IBM used to provide job security | Aug 09 03:04 |
| schestowitz | and you could have a job for decades | Aug 09 03:04 |
| schestowitz | can you find links on that? | Aug 09 03:04 |
| schestowitz | I want to contrast that with thelayoffs | Aug 09 03:05 |
| schestowitz | There was "nobody gets fired for buying IBM" | Aug 09 03:07 |
| schestowitz | but I don't know about career ladders and all... | Aug 09 03:08 |
| schestowitz | some people assess this when looking for employer | Aug 09 03:11 |
| schestowitz | e.g. whether they can progress, get promoted, stay onboard | Aug 09 03:12 |
| schestowitz | https://www.ibm.com/us-en/employment/benefits/index.html | Aug 09 03:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM Benefits - United States | Aug 09 03:12 | |
| schestowitz | ok, tell you what.. | Aug 09 03:14 |
| schestowitz | can you find me a link about severance practices? | Aug 09 03:14 |
| schestowitz | on why a month only is bad? | Aug 09 03:14 |
| schestowitz | I am piecing something together | Aug 09 03:14 |
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| schestowitz | People Get Fired for Being Bought by IBM (With a Crummy Severance Package) | Aug 09 03:18 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severance_package | Aug 09 03:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Severance package - Wikipedia | Aug 09 03:18 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Homers-meme.jpg | Aug 09 03:26 |
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| schestowitz | [Meme] People Get Fired for Being Bought by IBM (With a Crummy Severance Package) http://techrights.org/2020/08/08/ibm-severance-package/ #redhat #ibm #employment #bigblue | Aug 09 03:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] People Get Fired for Being Bought by IBM (With a Crummy Severance Package) | Techrights | Aug 09 03:34 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1199460-mesa-to-join-other-open-source-projects-with-main-for-primary-code-branch | Aug 09 05:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 05:20 |
| schestowitz | Please, this political nonsense has to stop now. | Aug 09 05:20 |
| schestowitz | Master/slave is a perfectly valid and extremely describing term for something computer related. | Aug 09 05:20 |
| schestowitz | If you take offence of these words describing a relation between COMPUTERS you are the problem, not the term itself. Words should always be viewed in the context they are spoken. How else are we ever going to be able to order black, white, red or yellow paint for instance? | Aug 09 05:20 |
| schestowitz | We will soon be left with no words at all, since all words can be used in a context that is considered hateful and demeaning to some people. | Aug 09 05:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 05:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa To Join Other Open-Source Projects With "Main" For Primary Code Branch - Phoronix Forums | Aug 09 05:21 | |
| schestowitz | "I think I would have preferred to see something like "base", "default", or "devel" (which is often how the base branch is used until a release or a tag), but I see no issue to the name "main" as long as there is a general consensus on that name moving forward as the default default. I admit I do not look forward to changing all the places I have the branch name coded in scripts, and in finger muscle memory, but I (like others) will | Aug 09 05:21 |
| schestowitz | adapt." | Aug 09 05:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 05:21 |
| schestowitz | I wholeheartedly agree. I will refuse to do away with "blacklist" and "whitelist and I would also refuse to do away with "master" in exchange for "main" for Git. I will use the terms throughout my entire life whether people like it or NOT!!! And NO! I'm not being racist. Not at all. | Aug 09 05:21 |
| schestowitz | Why? Because I'm against politics and political correctness. | Aug 09 05:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 05:21 |
| schestowitz | "You're being political by the way, if not partisan (which actually is a big part of the problem). I agree with you though, this is getting completely insane and is only furthering divisiveness. Sanitizing language when it comes to how people are addressed is a matter of civil discourse, using language you know offends is rude and anti-social. This weird identity-politics driven witch hunt is doing far more harm than good." | Aug 09 05:22 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: blacklist and whitelist I would agree with those disappearing thinking the oldest field to use them is with inverted meaning to the computer world and that is in accountancy. | Aug 09 05:25 |
| oiaohm | Money in the black is good. | Aug 09 05:26 |
| oiaohm | https://www.freshbooks.com/hub/accounting/in-black-vs-red << the in the red here use to be "in the white". White was done by writing the number in wax then putting black ink over to create inverted writing. | Aug 09 05:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freshbooks.com | In the Black vs in the Red: What Does in the Black and in the Red Mean? | Aug 09 05:28 | |
| schestowitz | black means darkness | Aug 09 05:28 |
| oiaohm | Lot of early colour inks were no color stable. | Aug 09 05:28 |
| schestowitz | less of photons | Aug 09 05:28 |
| oiaohm | That because you are talking about light and dark. Not inks. | Aug 09 05:28 |
| schestowitz | "redskins" | Aug 09 05:28 |
| schestowitz | that too can offend some people | Aug 09 05:28 |
| oiaohm | Accountancy terms are based on the colour of the written text. | Aug 09 05:29 |
| oiaohm | So black in accountancy means having money and doing well. Really old accountancy being in White that comes Red when red inks come dependable is being in debt/trouble. | Aug 09 05:31 |
| oiaohm | So historic white listed was banned from being given more money. | Aug 09 05:31 |
| oiaohm | Fun of history. | Aug 09 05:31 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Aug 09 05:32 |
| schestowitz | interesting | Aug 09 05:32 |
| schestowitz | so "Red ink" | Aug 09 05:32 |
| schestowitz | used to be literally that? | Aug 09 05:32 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Aug 09 05:32 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 09 05:33 |
| oiaohm | Same with the early being white where you wrote using wax then put black ink over the top to make inverted. | Aug 09 05:33 |
| oiaohm | allow/deny list as better option than black/white lists. You cannot have miss interpretation. | Aug 09 05:34 |
| oiaohm | The black/grey and white lists in computer terms comes from the wild west movie trope that hackers pick up of the black/grey and white hats. | Aug 09 05:35 |
| oiaohm | I have not found where black/white list usage tracks back at all to race. | Aug 09 05:36 |
| oiaohm | Master on a git repository really does not make sense on something like git repository when you think about it that you are allowed to fork | Aug 09 05:37 |
| oiaohm | Another word that is fun that we use a lot in the computer world is default. In accountancy a default is normally bad. | Aug 09 05:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: https://untemplater.com/business/how-much-is-the-average-severance-package/ | Aug 09 05:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Much Is The Average Severance Package? Once You Know You'll Never Want To Quit Again - Untemplater | Aug 09 05:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would have taken 6 months severance and unemployment and the COBRA deal if I was him. | Aug 09 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He has savings, he has a pension. He was 64 anyway. | Aug 09 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He only has to make it like 14 months to take his full Social Security benefit. | Aug 09 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So this is more like early retirement for volunteering not to work. | Aug 09 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who says no to that? | Aug 09 05:40 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways not having a quit severance package as a lot of companies do is a good way to get employees to mess stuff up until you fire them. | Aug 09 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the shoe warehouse that I worked at gave people like 8 months notice the place was shutting down. | Aug 09 05:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No severance. | Aug 09 05:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you didn't work until the layoff, you got nothing and they'd fight your unemployment benefit if you got fired. | Aug 09 05:42 |
| oiaohm | Question how badly did the staff not work. | Aug 09 05:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Productivity crashed. | Aug 09 05:43 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Aug 09 05:43 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways it better to pay severance. | Aug 09 05:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They probably ended up paying more in people trying not to get fired than they would have to offer something if they left. | Aug 09 05:43 |
| oiaohm | Bonus payment for those who worked well until the last day. | Aug 09 05:44 |
| oiaohm | Written in solid contract can be a good way to keep productivity up until the end. | Aug 09 05:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: 1-4 weeks per year worked seems to be the standard in professional employment in the US. | Aug 09 05:44 |
| oiaohm | Ie if productivity stays above X on the last day everyone still here will get split of final bonus. | Aug 09 05:45 |
| oiaohm | basically creative severance. | Aug 09 05:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think standard should have been at least 2-3 months. | Aug 09 05:45 |
| schestowitz | Fedora Infrastructure Status: Major service disruption | Aug 09 05:47 |
| schestowitz | "New status major: issues with openshift cluster for services: Ipsilon, Badges, Blockerbugs, Package Updates Manager, Fedora Infrastructure Cloud, COPR Build System, Documentation website, Fedora elections, Account System, Fedora Messaging Bus, Fedora Calendar, Fedora pastebin service, The Koji Buildsystem, Koschei Continuous Integration, Kerberos, Mailing Lists, Module Build Service, Mirror List, Mirror Manager, Fedora Packages App, | Aug 09 05:47 |
| schestowitz | Pagure, Fedora People, Package maintainers git repositories, Fedora Container Registry, ABRT Server, Fedora websites, Fedora Wiki, Zodbot IRC bot" | Aug 09 05:47 |
| schestowitz | again today | Aug 09 05:47 |
| schestowitz | 3am | Aug 09 05:47 |
| schestowitz | 2 hours ago | Aug 09 05:47 |
| schestowitz | I thought about tracing back the IP addresses of these services | Aug 09 05:48 |
| schestowitz | see where these were moved to | Aug 09 05:48 |
| schestowitz | maybe some single mainframe rack | Aug 09 05:48 |
| schestowitz | it's back online now https://status.fedoraproject.org/ | Aug 09 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-status.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Infrastructure - Status | Aug 09 05:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/2020-post-datacenter-move-known-issues | Aug 09 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Infrastructure/2020-post-datacenter-move-known-issues - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 05:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ | Aug 09 05:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.fedoraproject.org | Code of Conduct :: Fedora Docs Site | Aug 09 05:51 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora is in big trouble. | Aug 09 05:51 |
| schestowitz | explain | Aug 09 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think it's more Red Hat management pressure to rely on Github and Google. | Aug 09 05:51 |
| schestowitz | "When we disagree, we try to understand why. Disagreements, both social and technical, happen all the time and Fedora is no exception. It is important that we resolve disagreements and differing views constructively." | Aug 09 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, the infrastructure self-hosting was VERY reliable for many years before that. | Aug 09 05:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: what part of Google? | Aug 09 05:52 |
| schestowitz | gmail? | Aug 09 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GMail, Google Drive, calendar stuff. | Aug 09 05:52 |
| schestowitz | Can you help me figure out where they move to? | Aug 09 05:52 |
| schestowitz | "This is a page to track known issues after the Fedora Infrastructure Datacenter move in 2020 from phx2 to iad2 and rdu2. " | Aug 09 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Aug 09 05:52 |
| schestowitz | Those are not descriptive names, not even a domain suffix | Aug 09 05:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, Microsoft Azure wouldn't surprise me if we find that out later. | Aug 09 05:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're pushing it hard on their customers so it would be dogfooding. | Aug 09 05:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "See, we use it! Our products work great on Azure!" | Aug 09 05:53 |
| oiaohm | Money is also a horrible motive todo stupid things. | Aug 09 05:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I need a link about your claim re Google | Aug 09 05:54 |
| schestowitz | that they use it | Aug 09 05:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: They still have Dave Cutler floating around at Microsoft. | Aug 09 05:54 |
| schestowitz | any supporting evidence? | Aug 09 05:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's in the post about Red Hat being pressured by Whitehurst to not use their own internal solutions anymore. | Aug 09 05:55 |
| schestowitz | where? | Aug 09 05:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | thelayoff | Aug 09 05:55 |
| schestowitz | can you find it? | Aug 09 05:55 |
| schestowitz | the part about it? | Aug 09 05:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People there were obviously disgusted. | Aug 09 05:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/13hlUJy1 | Aug 09 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Culture @ redhat - post regarding Red Hat layoffs | Aug 09 05:56 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "He didn't use our products (used a Mac, along with other members of the executive management team), allowed RH to dump open source solutions for our own business to move things to Google's services (which is a huge message to our very clients of "we don't value or trust open source, so why should you?") " | Aug 09 05:57 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: you can call it the cloud arguement problem. Its cheaper to use someone else servers at first. | Aug 09 05:58 |
| schestowitz | when it is subsidised | Aug 09 05:58 |
| schestowitz | we know who props up GAFAM | Aug 09 05:59 |
| schestowitz | with Pentagon money | Aug 09 05:59 |
| schestowitz | back to the point though | Aug 09 05:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it gives it scale and makes it possible to charge others less. | Aug 09 05:59 |
| schestowitz | what do the current fedora IPs point to? | Aug 09 05:59 |
| schestowitz | Amazon? Google? IBM? | Aug 09 05:59 |
| oiaohm | https://www.zdnet.com/article/china-is-now-blocking-all-encrypted-https-traffic-using-tls-1-3-and-esni/ this is different topic a bit. Now that China is blocking esni how long until other countries. | Aug 09 06:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-China is now blocking all encrypted HTTPS traffic that uses TLS 1.3 and ESNI | ZDNet | Aug 09 06:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/cia-gus-hunt-big-data_n_2917842?ri18n=true&guccounter=1 | Aug 09 06:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consent.yahoo.com | HuffPost is now a part of Verizon Media | Aug 09 06:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140782 [https://pleroma.site/objects/616fb838-3402-4d3b-a49f-40c4fc510c51] | Aug 09 06:04 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU/Linux on YouTube http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140783 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5902917a-3c0d-4da0-a2fb-e6ebf1745d45] | Aug 09 06:06 | |
| schestowitz | "Greetings. I work for Red Hat as the Fedora Infrastructure Lead. This means I work on keeping all the servers that run Fedora running. " | Aug 09 06:08 |
| schestowitz | He is the one editing the page | Aug 09 06:08 |
| schestowitz | I did not know he already works for IBM | Aug 09 06:08 |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin | Aug 09 06:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | User:Kevin - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 06:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Infrastructure/2020-post-datacenter-move-known-issues&action=history https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ferdnyc | Aug 09 06:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Revision history of "Infrastructure/2020-post-datacenter-move-known-issues" - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 06:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | User:Ferdnyc - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 06:09 | |
| schestowitz | They might know what's going on and WHY | Aug 09 06:09 |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Infrastructure%2F2020-post-datacenter-move-known-issues&type=revision&diff=583377&oldid=583197 | Aug 09 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Difference between revisions of "Infrastructure/2020-post-datacenter-move-known-issues" - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 06:10 | |
| schestowitz | cosmetic | Aug 09 06:10 |
| schestowitz | so it's really just down to Kevin | Aug 09 06:10 |
| schestowitz | https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/PN6RL7XT3V7DVC7MK46H3QDEJPL5FRI6/ | Aug 09 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.fedoraproject.org | 2020 Datacenter Move: Request for comments - devel-announce - Fedora Mailing-Lists | Aug 09 06:11 | |
| schestowitz | That's Kevin | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | Greetings, | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | Fedora Infrastructure currently has the majority of its hardware in a | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | datacenter in Arizona, USA. Red Hat leases this space for use by a number of | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | teams, including Fedora. However, they've been seeking a more modern and cost | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | effective location for some time and have decided on one: | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | So, we will be migrating to a new datacenter located in Ashburn, Virginia | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | in 2020. | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | FESCo has approved a 2 week window for the actual move to take place | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | ( https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2221 ): 2020-06-01 to 2020-06-15. | Aug 09 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Issue #2221: Datacenter move discussion - fesco - Pagure.io | Aug 09 06:12 | |
| schestowitz | This window is after Fedora 32 is released, but before any major | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | Fedora 33 Milestones. | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | At a high level, our current plan is: | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | * Setup the new datacenter with networking/storage/management | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | * Populate the new datacenter with new hardware to replace old hardware that | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | either wouldn’t survive the shipping or is due to be refreshed | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | * Ship some small shipment of hardware from the old datacenter to the new | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | that are not easily duplicated like signing hardware, | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | alternative arch builders, etc. | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | * Setup and have by the early part of the outage window a | Aug 09 06:12 |
| schestowitz | Minimum Viable Fedora Infrastructure (see below) using new hardware | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | and some old. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Function in this minimal state as all the rest of the hardware is | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | shipped to the new datacenter. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Re-add hardware to return to normal state. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | We want to maintain continuity of service as best we can, | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | so we have defined a Minimal Viable Fedora which will move in advance | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | of the main hardware. Our intention is to reroute traffic to this setup | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | before moving the bulk of our hardware. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | Our current list of what a Minimum Viable Fedora Infrastructure is: | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Mirroring fully functional. Users get metalinks, mirrors are crawled, etc | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * The complete package lifecycle must work. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | From commit to update installed on users machines. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | We need this to push security and important bugfixes as well as to allow | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | maintainers to work toward Fedora 33. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Our production openshift cluster must be up and running normally. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | (This cluster has fas, bodhi and other important items in it) | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Builders will likely be constrained. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | Ie, less of most arches. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | Capacity will be re-added as soon as the hardware for it arrives. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Rawhide composes take place as normal. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Nameservers functional | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * rabbitmq/fedora-messaging should be up and functional. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Internal proxies must be functional (used by builders and other internal items) | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Mailing lists must be functional | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Backups must be functional | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * OpenQA must be available to test updates/rawhide composes | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Wiki must be available for common bugs / qa | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | Other services not listed may or may not be up depending on capacity | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | and issues with more important services. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | And explicitly some things will NOT be available during that window: | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Staging. There will be no staging, so no rolling out new services. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * Full capacity/number of builders | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * External proxies in the new datacenter | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | * HA for some services. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | We are sending this announcement not only to let you all be aware of this move, | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | but to help us plan. If you see some service that you think is critical | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | to Fedora and cannot be down for 2 weeks, and isn't listed above | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | please let us know so we can adjust our plans. | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | We want to make sure things that are critical keep running | Aug 09 06:13 |
| schestowitz | smoothly for the Fedora community. | Aug 09 06:14 |
| schestowitz | Feedback by next friday (2019-10-04) would be welcome. | Aug 09 06:14 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, | Aug 09 06:14 |
| schestowitz | Kevin for CPE and the Fedora Infrastructure team. | Aug 09 06:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 06:14 |
| schestowitz | post-IBM | Aug 09 06:14 |
| schestowitz | whose DC is it? | Aug 09 06:14 |
| schestowitz | No replies to it | Aug 09 06:15 |
| schestowitz | https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/2019/9/ | Aug 09 06:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.fedoraproject.org | September 2019 - devel-announce - Fedora Mailing-Lists | Aug 09 06:15 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you get me a sample IP address? | Aug 09 06:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's on your fedora intall/medium | Aug 09 06:16 |
| schestowitz | *install | Aug 09 06:16 |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring | Aug 09 06:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Infrastructure/Mirroring - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 06:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mirrormanager | Aug 09 06:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-admin.fedoraproject.org | Home - MirrorManager | Aug 09 06:17 | |
| schestowitz | 10 4.16.240.122 (4.16.240.122) 111.146 ms 111.717 ms 106.311 ms | Aug 09 06:18 |
| schestowitz | 11 8.43.84.1 (8.43.84.1) 134.118 ms 120.247 ms 117.533 ms | Aug 09 06:18 |
| schestowitz | 12 8.43.84.3 (8.43.84.3) 114.162 ms 113.871 ms 113.481 ms | Aug 09 06:18 |
| schestowitz | 13 8.43.84.4 (8.43.84.4) 128.429 ms 128.405 ms 121.448 ms | Aug 09 06:18 |
| schestowitz | 14 ip-8-43-87-254 (8.43.87.254) 143.942 ms 118.849 ms 134.573 ms | Aug 09 06:18 |
| schestowitz | 15 proxy14.fedoraproject.org (8.43.85.67) 108.063 ms !X 110.815 ms !X 111.286 ms !X | Aug 09 06:18 |
| schestowitz | AS17314 Red Hat, Inc. | Aug 09 06:19 |
| schestowitz | https://ipinfo.io/8.43.85.67 | Aug 09 06:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-8.43.85.67 IP Address Details - IPinfo.io | Aug 09 06:19 | |
| schestowitz | WA, DC | Aug 09 06:19 |
| schestowitz | I think their site (Fedora) is hosted and managed separately from the project bits | Aug 09 06:20 |
| schestowitz | https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/WKF44IZDPSZXAFQDAF7A574FVHQB4Q74/ | Aug 09 06:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.fedoraproject.org | Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers - devel-announce - Fedora Mailing-Lists | Aug 09 06:20 | |
| schestowitz | FedoraPeople.org | Aug 09 06:21 |
| schestowitz | 14 38.122.176.202 (38.122.176.202) 122.169 ms 123.212 ms 122.345 ms | Aug 09 06:21 |
| schestowitz | 15 uncphillips-to-ws-gw.ncren.net (128.109.1.90) 128.145 ms 127.113 ms 128.884 ms | Aug 09 06:21 |
| schestowitz | 16 core-p-v1213.net.unc.edu (152.2.255.66) 121.514 ms 120.317 ms 121.020 ms | Aug 09 06:21 |
| schestowitz | 17 core-m-v1528.net.unc.edu (152.2.255.166) 122.217 ms 120.964 ms 121.070 ms | Aug 09 06:21 |
| schestowitz | 18 vm20.fedora.ibiblio.org (152.19.134.199) 121.311 ms !X 122.075 ms !X 121.716 ms !X | Aug 09 06:21 |
| schestowitz | ibiblio | Aug 09 06:21 |
| schestowitz | iirc, ibiblio is partly ibm funded | Aug 09 06:22 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibiblio | Aug 09 06:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | ibiblio - Wikipedia | Aug 09 06:22 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.ibiblio.org/jmaynard/ | Aug 09 06:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibiblio.org | IBM Public Domain Software Collection | Aug 09 06:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.ibiblio.org/ | Aug 09 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibiblio.org | The Public's Library and Digital Archive | Aug 09 06:23 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | That damned instant pot didn't work right. | Aug 09 06:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've gotten E6 before. Sometimes if you don't cool it down between saute and pressure, it won't seal right. | Aug 09 06:26 |
| schestowitz | COPR: | Aug 09 06:26 |
| schestowitz | 10 4.16.240.122 (4.16.240.122) 108.545 ms 108.854 ms 107.206 ms | Aug 09 06:26 |
| schestowitz | 11 8.43.84.1 (8.43.84.1) 142.910 ms 120.969 ms 122.649 ms | Aug 09 06:26 |
| schestowitz | 12 8.43.84.3 (8.43.84.3) 115.463 ms 115.361 ms 116.652 ms | Aug 09 06:26 |
| schestowitz | 13 8.43.84.4 (8.43.84.4) 119.849 ms 127.757 ms 117.469 ms | Aug 09 06:26 |
| schestowitz | 14 ip-8-43-87-254 (8.43.87.254) 116.682 ms 117.781 ms 117.155 ms | Aug 09 06:26 |
| schestowitz | 15 ip-8-43-85-75.rdu01.fedoraproject.org (8.43.85.75) 109.334 ms !X 108.106 ms !X 109.069 ms !X | Aug 09 06:26 |
| schestowitz | https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/ | Aug 09 06:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-copr.fedorainfracloud.org | Project List | Aug 09 06:26 | |
| schestowitz | "Cloud" | Aug 09 06:26 |
| schestowitz | lol | Aug 09 06:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh well. My spaghetti seems to have come out okay. | Aug 09 06:28 |
| schestowitz | This one is still in NZ | Aug 09 06:28 |
| schestowitz | *AZ | Aug 09 06:28 |
| schestowitz | and Red Hat-owned | Aug 09 06:28 |
| schestowitz | https://db-ip.com/38.88.238.30 | Aug 09 06:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-db-ip.com | 38.88.238.30 - United States - Cogent Communications - IP address geolocation | Aug 09 06:28 | |
| schestowitz | ISPCogent Communications | Aug 09 06:28 |
| schestowitz | https://db-ip.com/54.239.108.140 | Aug 09 06:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-db-ip.com | 54.239.108.140 - United States - Amazon.com, Inc. - IP address geolocation | Aug 09 06:30 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | CountryUnited States United States | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | State / RegionVirginia | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | District / CountyLoudoun | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | CityAshburn | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | COPR is here | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | Amazon | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | AWS | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | So I think we got the answer | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | let me check another server | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | or service | Aug 09 06:30 |
| schestowitz | 5 core1-hu0-2-0-1.southbank.ukcore.bt.net (195.99.127.14) 40.644 ms 194.72.31.166 (194.72.31.166) 41.398 ms host213-121-192-128.ukcore.bt.net (213.121.192.128) 47.761 ms | Aug 09 06:31 |
| schestowitz | 6 109.159.252.140 (109.159.252.140) 47.748 ms peer7-et-3-1-2.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.252.230) 29.495 ms peer7-et-0-1-7.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.252.240) 29.702 ms | Aug 09 06:31 |
| schestowitz | 7 166-49-128-32.gia.bt.net (166.49.128.32) 31.569 ms 28.483 ms 166-49-209-132.gia.bt.net (166.49.209.132) 29.234 ms | Aug 09 06:31 |
| schestowitz | 8 ixp1-ae-7.us-nyc.gia.bt.net (166.49.195.61) 95.658 ms ixp1-xe-2-2-0.us-ash.gia.bt.net (166.49.195.76) 111.525 ms ixp1-ae-7.us-nyc.gia.bt.net (166.49.195.61) 98.623 ms | Aug 09 06:31 |
| schestowitz | 9 166-49-204-133.gia.bt.net (166.49.204.133) 99.044 ms 166-49-169-18.gia.bt.net (166.49.169.18) 117.104 ms 166-49-204-133.gia.bt.net (166.49.204.133) 100.124 ms | Aug 09 06:31 |
| schestowitz | 10 * * 54.239.108.174 (54.239.108.174) 117.727 ms | Aug 09 06:31 |
| schestowitz | traceroute to copr.fedorainfracloud.org (3.81.0.123), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets | Aug 09 06:31 |
| schestowitz | That's Amazon | Aug 09 06:32 |
| schestowitz | The Koji Buildsystem | Aug 09 06:32 |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Using_the_Koji_build_system | Aug 09 06:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Using the Koji build system - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 06:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koji | Aug 09 06:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Koji - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 06:33 | |
| schestowitz | 11 be3628.ccr42.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.27.169) 108.472 ms be3627.ccr41.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.197) 116.399 ms 115.940 ms | Aug 09 06:33 |
| schestowitz | 12 be2807.ccr42.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.40.110) 113.129 ms 107.853 ms be2806.ccr41.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.40.106) 108.459 ms | Aug 09 06:33 |
| schestowitz | 13 be3084.ccr41.iad02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.30.66) 107.233 ms be3083.ccr41.iad02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.30.54) 125.505 ms 118.090 ms | Aug 09 06:33 |
| schestowitz | 14 38.32.106.90 (38.32.106.90) 120.133 ms 117.368 ms 107.304 ms | Aug 09 06:33 |
| schestowitz | 15 gateway (209.132.185.254) 119.177 ms vrrp2 (209.132.185.253) 112.625 ms 113.984 ms | Aug 09 06:33 |
| schestowitz | traceroute to koji.fedoraproject.org (38.145.60.20), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets | Aug 09 06:33 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat https://ipinfo.io/AS21785/209.132.185.0/24 | Aug 09 06:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-209.132.185.0/24 Netblock Details - Red Hat, Inc. - IPinfo.io | Aug 09 06:34 | |
| *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Support Richard Stallman and other victims of cancel culture! | https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/) | Aug 09 06:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintenance_guide | Aug 09 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Package maintenance guide - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 06:35 | |
| schestowitz | traceroute to admin.fedoraproject.org (152.19.134.198), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets | Aug 09 06:36 |
| schestowitz | 18 vm18.fedora.ibiblio.org (152.19.134.198) 361.990 ms !X 362.237 ms !X 362.545 ms !X | Aug 09 06:36 |
| schestowitz | traceroute to fedorahosted.org (185.141.165.254), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets | Aug 09 06:36 |
| schestowitz | Frankfurt, Germany https://ipinfo.io/185.141.165.254 | Aug 09 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-185.141.165.254 IP Address Details - IPinfo.io | Aug 09 06:37 | |
| schestowitz | well, we know the one in VA is amazon anyway | Aug 09 06:37 |
| schestowitz | and this is where they are moving the project | Aug 09 06:37 |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot | Aug 09 06:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Zodbot - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 06:38 | |
| schestowitz | "The source code for the Fedora extensions are available in the supybot-fedora GitHub repository." | Aug 09 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Great, Microsoft... | Aug 09 06:38 |
| schestowitz | "Zodbot is an IRC bot connected to the irc.freenode.net IRC network and joined to many Fedora-related IRC channels. Zodbot listens for commands you send to it over IRC and will reply to you in the same channel. " | Aug 09 06:39 |
| schestowitz | may be logged" | Aug 09 06:39 |
| schestowitz | [06:39] [Whois] zodbot is supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot (Limnoria 2019.11.09) | Aug 09 06:39 |
| schestowitz | [06:39] [Whois] zodbot is a user on channels: #fedora | Aug 09 06:39 |
| schestowitz | [06:39] [Whois] zodbot is online via weber.freenode.net (US). | Aug 09 06:39 |
| schestowitz | [06:39] [Whois] zodbot is using a secure connection. | Aug 09 06:39 |
| schestowitz | [06:39] [Whois] zodbot has been idle for 7 minutes and 37 seconds. | Aug 09 06:39 |
| schestowitz | [06:39] [Whois] zodbot has been online since 08/08/2020 19:13. | Aug 09 06:39 |
| schestowitz | [06:39] [Whois] zodbot is logged in as zodbot. | Aug 09 06:40 |
| schestowitz | [06:39] [Whois] End of WHOIS list. | Aug 09 06:40 |
| schestowitz | hard to tell its origin IP | Aug 09 06:40 |
| schestowitz | https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/ | Aug 09 06:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qa.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Blocker Bugs | Aug 09 06:41 | |
| schestowitz | Network for Education and Research in Oregon (NERO) | Aug 09 06:42 |
| schestowitz | https://ipinfo.io/140.211.169.206 | Aug 09 06:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-140.211.169.206 IP Address Details - IPinfo.io | Aug 09 06:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ipsilon | Aug 09 06:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/Ipsilon - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 06:43 | |
| schestowitz | 15 ip-8-43-85-75.rdu01.fedoraproject.org (8.43.85.75) 107.671 ms !X 108.065 ms !X 108.978 ms !X | Aug 09 06:43 |
| schestowitz | that's rdu | Aug 09 06:44 |
| schestowitz | [05:52] <schestowitz> "This is a page to track known issues after the Fedora Infrastructure Datacenter move in 2020 from phx2 to iad2 and rdu2. " | Aug 09 06:44 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat https://checkphish.ai/ip/8.43.85.75 | Aug 09 06:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-checkphish.ai | CheckPhish AI | Aug 09 06:45 | |
| schestowitz | 🔗 Owner | Aug 09 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Name: Patrick Uiterwijk | Aug 09 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Email: puiterwijk@redhat.com | Aug 09 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Name: Simo Sorce | Aug 09 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Email: simo@redhat.com | Aug 09 06:46 |
| schestowitz | The Drupal company is hosting opensource.com | Aug 09 06:46 |
| schestowitz | not Red Hat itself | Aug 09 06:46 |
| schestowitz | so that at least is outsourced for years now | Aug 09 06:46 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_V._Gerstner_Jr. | Aug 09 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Louis V. Gerstner Jr. - Wikipedia | Aug 09 06:57 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 06:58 |
| schestowitz | Gerstner was hired as chairman and CEO of IBM in April 1993. The company's board had forced his predecessor John Akers to resign, looking first within the computer industry for his successor. However Apple's John Sculley, Motorola chairman George Fisher, and Bill Gates of Microsoft were not interested (other rumored candidates included Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq and Scott McNealy of Sun Microsystems). IBM then turned to Gerstner, an | Aug 09 06:58 |
| schestowitz | outsider with a record that suggested success[7][8] whose older brother Richard had run the company's PC division until retiring due to health issues four years earlier.[9] Gerstner was the first IBM CEO who was hired from outside the company. | Aug 09 06:58 |
| schestowitz | Upon becoming chief executive of IBM, Gerstner declared: "the last thing IBM needs right now is a vision", as he instead focused on execution, decisiveness, simplifying the organization for speed, and breaking the gridlock. Many expected heads to roll, yet Gerstner initially changed only the CFO, the HR chief, and three key line executives.[10][11] | Aug 09 06:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 06:58 |
| schestowitz | "From 1993 to Gerstner's retirement in 2002, IBM's market capitalization rose from $29 billion to $168 billion.[21] Despite his success[13] Gerstner also presided over the company's decline, relative to newer rivals, as it lost its once-dominant position in the IT industry. Microsoft grew beyond just PC software in the 1990s, hardware companies Apple and Dell expanded their market share, and entirely new entities such as the Google | Aug 09 06:59 |
| schestowitz | search engine emerged and created new computer-based business empires.[22] Gerstner was also the first highly-paid IBM CEO relative to his home-grown predecessors, earning a personal fortune of hundreds of millions in his role. His philosophy, quoted as "The importance of managers being aligned with shareholders—not through risk-free instruments like stock options, but through the process of putting their own money on the line | Aug 09 06:59 |
| schestowitz | through direct ownership of the company—became a critical part of the management philosophy I brought to IBM" has been criticized for IBM's management in the late 2000s becoming "fully isolated and immune from the long-term consequences of their decisions".[23][24]" | Aug 09 06:59 |
| schestowitz | " Mr. Gerstner was awarded the designation of honorary Knight of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth II in June 2001. " | Aug 09 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Money gets you awards from... money :-) | Aug 09 06:59 |
| schestowitz | traceroute to docs.fedoraproject.org (85.236.55.6), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets | Aug 09 07:01 |
| schestowitz | Germany apparently | Aug 09 07:01 |
| schestowitz | 12 6-55-236-85.rev.customer-net.de (85.236.55.6) 46.234 ms !X 46.018 ms !X 45.917 ms !X | Aug 09 07:01 |
| schestowitz | InterNetX GmbH | Aug 09 07:02 |
| schestowitz | Fedora is scattered so widely | Aug 09 07:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe IBM wants to put it all in one place | Aug 09 07:02 |
| schestowitz | Amazon in VA? | Aug 09 07:02 |
| schestowitz | fedorapaste is on Microsoft | Aug 09 07:03 |
| schestowitz | GitHub | Aug 09 07:03 |
| schestowitz | https://pastebin.centos.org/ | Aug 09 07:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.centos.org | Pastebin Service | Aug 09 07:03 | |
| schestowitz | https://pagure.io/fedora-paste | Aug 09 07:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Overview - fedora-paste - Pagure.io | Aug 09 07:03 | |
| schestowitz | sigh.. more shithub | Aug 09 07:05 |
| schestowitz | https://fedora-messaging.readthedocs.io/en/latest/#user-guide | Aug 09 07:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedora-messaging.readthedocs.io | Fedora Messaging — Fedora Messaging 2.0.1 documentation | Aug 09 07:05 | |
| schestowitz | shithub agin https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Kerberos | Aug 09 07:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Infrastructure/Kerberos - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 07:07 | |
| schestowitz | shithub https://fedmsg.readthedocs.io/en/stable/# | Aug 09 07:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedmsg.readthedocs.io | fedmsg — fedmsg 1.1.1 documentation | Aug 09 07:08 | |
| schestowitz | Network for Education and Research in Oregon (NERO) traceroute to apps.fedoraproject.org (140.211.169.206) | Aug 09 07:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 07:10 |
| schestowitz | So, we will be migrating to a new datacenter located in Ashburn, Virginia | Aug 09 07:10 |
| schestowitz | in 2020. | Aug 09 07:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 09 07:10 |
| schestowitz | https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/PN6RL7XT3V7DVC7MK46H3QDEJPL5FRI6/ | Aug 09 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.fedoraproject.org | 2020 Datacenter Move: Request for comments - devel-announce - Fedora Mailing-Lists | Aug 09 07:11 | |
| schestowitz | The only such DC (in that place) that we found is AWS | Aug 09 07:11 |
| schestowitz | So is Fedora being mass-migrated to AWS? | Aug 09 07:11 |
| schestowitz | https://developer.fedoraproject.org/tools/abrt/about.html | Aug 09 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.fedoraproject.org | ABRT — Fedora Developer Portal | Aug 09 07:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring | Aug 09 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Infrastructure/Mirroring - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 07:23 | |
| schestowitz | "Fedora is fortunate to have over 200 volunteers [1] globally, which helps distribute the Fedora software to end users. We greatly appreciate our mirror sites and their system administrators. " | Aug 09 07:23 |
| schestowitz | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | Aug 09 07:30 |
| schestowitz | copr.fedorainfracloud.org. 300 IN CNAME copr-fe.aws.fedoraproject.org. | Aug 09 07:30 |
| schestowitz | copr-fe.aws.fedoraproject.org. 939 IN A 3.81.0.123 | Aug 09 07:30 |
| schestowitz | Is Copr on AWS now? | Aug 09 07:30 |
| schestowitz | I'll ask in #fedora and see what happens | Aug 09 07:30 |
| schestowitz | it seems to be well hidden | Aug 09 07:31 |
| schestowitz | dig copr.fedorainfracloud.org | Aug 09 07:31 |
| schestowitz | ; <<>> DiG 9.11.5-P4-5.1+deb10u1-Debian <<>> copr.fedorainfracloud.org | Aug 09 07:31 |
| schestowitz | [07:30] <schestowitz> Is Copr on AWS now? | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:32] --> bloodbath (~bloodbath@unaffiliated/bloodbath) has joined this channel. | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:32] <neha> wwalker, kmod-wl-6.30.223.271-32.fc31.x86_64 | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:33] <wwalker> schestowitz: seems most everyone here is asleep... I know nearly nothing about Copr | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [...] | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:37] <schestowitz> wwalker: I am trying to figure out what the new DC of Fedora is | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:38] <schestowitz> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/2020-post-datacenter-move-known-issues | Aug 09 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Infrastructure/2020-post-datacenter-move-known-issues - Fedora Project Wiki | Aug 09 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | [07:38] <schestowitz> ""This is a page to track known issues after the Fedora Infrastructure Datacenter move in 2020 from phx2 to iad2 and rdu2."" | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:38] <wwalker> ROFL - I just did that here. My W530 that I have had for 2 years, has a wifi switch i didn't lnow about... | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:38] <wwalker> reposting for neha | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:39] <wwalker> I have run into problems on notebooks before, where I've troubleshot for hours and then found out "Hey, there is a physical (or Fn key) shut off for wifi... let me just flip that switch..." And then beat my head onthe table for the hours I had wasted. I had one note book for 2 years before I accidentally hit the switch that I had never noticed before. Same thing with a physical volume control on a | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:39] <wwalker> Toshiba I had... I'd had that one about a year... | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:39] <schestowitz> This one says it's moving to the city in VA where AWS has a DC that routes some Fedora traffic https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/PN6RL7XT3V7DVC7MK46H3QDEJPL5FRI6/ | Aug 09 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.fedoraproject.org | 2020 Datacenter Move: Request for comments - devel-announce - Fedora Mailing-Lists | Aug 09 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | [07:39] <wwalker> search really carefully.... | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:39] <wwalker> ROFL - I just did that here. My W530 that I have had for 2 years, has a wifi switch i didn't lnow about... | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:40] --> bkhl (~bkhl@marsh.hcoop.net) has joined this channel. | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:41] <wwalker> schestowitz: I rememeber someone having to disable a copr they were using a few days ago because it was hanging his update... | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:41] --> yuta (~pi@PPPa3608.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp) has joined this channel. | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:41] <schestowitz> cheers, there were some service downtimes 4 hours ago | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:42] <schestowitz> "New status major: issues with openshift cluster for services: Ipsilon, Badges, Blockerbugs, Package Updates Manager..." https://status.fedoraproject.org/ | Aug 09 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-status.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Infrastructure - Status | Aug 09 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | [07:42] <schestowitz> Maybe Kevin is shifting around some services, I just want to know where to and why... cannot seem to find the answer except it's done to lower costs | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:43] <schestowitz> I've used Fedora since its first release | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:44] --> mattrose (~mattrose@2607:f2c0:ead0:1ce3:42d:e270:9906:6a96) has joined this channel. | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:45] <wwalker> FC2 or 3 for me, don't remember now, I know I missed FC1 | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:45] <schestowitz> Moonshine was OK | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:45] <wwalker> I was still on RHL 9 | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:46] <schestowitz> I just really wanted to know what's going on, as I don't (TBH) understand what plans are made in the boardroom | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:47] <-- cariaso (dc760723@220.118.7.35) has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:49] <-- bloodbath (~bloodbath@unaffiliated/bloodbath) has left this server (Quit: Quit). | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:49] <fedbot> *** F32-20200804 updated lives available: https://tinyurl.com/Live-respins2 Built by the Fedora Respin Sig more info #fedora-respins *** | Aug 09 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dl.fedoraproject.org | Index of /pub/alt/live-respins | Aug 09 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | [07:49] <-- bcotton_ (~bcotton@208-38-241-230.lfytina1.metronetinc.net) has left this server (Excess Flood). | Aug 09 07:51 |
| schestowitz | [07:50] <-- mindCrime (~prhodes@2606-a000-112a-8159-ea44-563a-99f1-db26.inf6.spectrum.com) has left this server (Excess Flood). | Aug 09 07:52 |
| schestowitz | [07:50] --> mindCrime (~prhodes@2606-a000-112a-8159-ea44-563a-99f1-db26.inf6.spectrum.com) has joined this channel. | Aug 09 07:52 |
| schestowitz | [07:50] <schestowitz> bbl, will research this a little further. I really don't trust IBM to put resourced into the Fedora Project TBH... | Aug 09 07:52 |
| schestowitz | didn't manage to get much info there | Aug 09 07:52 |
| schestowitz | https://copr-fe.aws.fedoraproject.org/ | Aug 09 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://copr-fe.aws.fedoraproject.org/ ) | Aug 09 07:53 | |
| schestowitz | Unable to communicate securely with peer: requested domain name does not match the server's certificate. | Aug 09 07:53 |
| schestowitz | aws.fedoraproject.org | Aug 09 07:53 |
| schestowitz | this redirects | Aug 09 07:53 |
| schestowitz | ping apps.fedoraproject.org | Aug 09 07:54 |
| schestowitz | PING wildcard.fedoraproject.org (209.132.190.2) 56(84) bytes of data. | Aug 09 07:54 |
| schestowitz | 64 bytes from proxy13-rdu02.fedoraproject.org (209.132.190.2): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=203 ms | Aug 09 07:54 |
| schestowitz | ""This is a page to track known issues after the Fedora Infrastructure Datacenter move in 2020 from phx2 to iad2 and rdu2."" | Aug 09 07:54 |
| schestowitz | so this is what they migrate to | Aug 09 07:54 |
| schestowitz | 209.132.190.2 is Red Hat at NC | Aug 09 07:56 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/01/amazon-web-services-data-center/423147/ | Aug 09 07:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | Where Are Amazon's Data Centers? - The Atlantic | Aug 09 07:57 | |
| schestowitz | "My weird hack research methods returned a handful of Vadata addresses scattered throughout the area: Ashburn, Sterling, Haymarket, Manassas, Chantilly." | Aug 09 07:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: stratis and xfs don't make a lot of sense for the Fedora desktop spins. | Aug 09 07:57 |
| schestowitz | https://wikileaks.org/amazon-atlas/map/ | Aug 09 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - Map of Amazon's Data Centers | Aug 09 07:58 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I know | Aug 09 07:58 |
| schestowitz | they don't care | Aug 09 07:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was either bring in BtrFS or be trapped on an aging file system that isn't seeing a lot of work these days. | Aug 09 07:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suspect someone will probably do a Mageia style fork of Fedora. | Aug 09 07:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then again, maybe not. | Aug 09 08:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kevin Kofler did a Remix that was supposed to do KDE right. | Aug 09 08:01 |
| schestowitz | lots of datacentres of amzon in ahsburn | Aug 09 08:02 |
| schestowitz | LOADS | Aug 09 08:02 |
| schestowitz | almost a dozen | Aug 09 08:02 |
| schestowitz | based on https://wikileaks.org/amazon-atlas/map/ | Aug 09 08:02 |
| schestowitz | you can zoom in and find them all | Aug 09 08:03 |
| schestowitz | So I think Fedora does move to Amazon | Aug 09 08:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: Kevin K never responded to me | Aug 09 08:03 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: stratis with xfs could make more sense with desktop as it fills out on features. | Aug 09 08:03 |
| oiaohm | btrfs does support inplace migration from ext4 to btrfs | Aug 09 08:04 |
| kingoffrance | re: Gerstner: quote: through the process of putting their own money on the line through direct ownership of the company <-- that applies to managers, but not to employees. im not arguing for or against -- but why the separation? | Aug 09 08:06 |
| kingoffrance | what makes this supposedly "good" for managers, but not other employees? where is the dividing line where this is good or bad? | Aug 09 08:06 |
| kingoffrance | i suspect "then those employees would be less temporary" | Aug 09 08:06 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. WE would depend on them more, because theyd be more tightly intergrated with "the company" | Aug 09 08:07 |
| kingoffrance | they would be less disposable in a sense | Aug 09 08:07 |
| kingoffrance | it doesnt ahve to be 100% either way -- im just scratching my head where the invisible ratio is | Aug 09 08:08 |
| kingoffrance | whats the magic sweet spot for employees | Aug 09 08:08 |
| kingoffrance | it has been said feudal system somewhat was like this, before you had all these financial instruments, the owners were employees were the ppl who put up "capital" etc. | Aug 09 08:09 |
| kingoffrance | so in that sense -- Gerstner is a very traditional view -- minus it applying to all employees | Aug 09 08:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I tried to correct Mandy's English because he said he'd demand his boss change his work hours. | Aug 09 08:10 |
| kingoffrance | they took out "ever-shifting stock owners" who you probably never meet in person, but they only applied this to "managers" | Aug 09 08:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Uh, well, you should request that. Not demand it. Demanding things from your boss generally doesn't end well.". | Aug 09 08:10 |
| kingoffrance | they kept ever-shifting employees as a subsittute it seems :) | Aug 09 08:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "What do you think demand means?" | Aug 09 08:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He goes, "I demand to see my lawyer!". I said, "That is what you say if the police arrest you, and then NOTHING else, but you shouldn't start demanding things from your boss.". | Aug 09 08:11 |
| kingoffrance | so it is 1/2 way return to pre-stock system perhaps | Aug 09 08:11 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: I know a lot of businesses where the employees do in fact have shares in the business. | Aug 09 08:11 |
| oiaohm | So the split between managers and employees on direct ownership is more of a per company choice. | Aug 09 08:12 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways the staff having voting rights on the yearly board meeting does cause some interesting outcomes. | Aug 09 08:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <kingoffrance "so it is 1/2 way return to pre-s"> Buying stocks right now would be a big mistake. | Aug 09 08:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just let the central bank buy everything and see how that turns out. | Aug 09 08:14 |
| kingoffrance | i dont pretend to know finance, im just noting the "left unsaid" portion | Aug 09 08:15 |
| kingoffrance | i would want to know if that is deliberate, accidental, whatever, per chance even | Aug 09 08:15 |
| kingoffrance | just trying to understand managers minds :) | Aug 09 08:16 |
| kingoffrance | it can simply be "path of least resistance" een | Aug 09 08:16 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: really managers have a lot of different presures. | Aug 09 08:16 |
| kingoffrance | i guess, i cant judge something until i know: 1) theory 2) supposed "good" outcome 3) did they follow this or was it derailed, or failed for other reasons so im stuck at "theory" why that is for managers only | Aug 09 08:18 |
| kingoffrance | in that case | Aug 09 08:18 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of theories saying giving someone ownership in business as a manager will make them a better manager. But from a person who has worked around many different businesses I can say I have not see any evidence that giving a stake gives better manager performance. | Aug 09 08:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's nothing good to buy right now. Stock values are way too high because of the Fed. | Aug 09 08:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bond rates are way too low because of the Fed. | Aug 09 08:19 |
| oiaohm | Its same with the theory of paying a person high wages will always give you skilled staff. | Aug 09 08:19 |
| oiaohm | Either the person is a skilled manager or they are not. | Aug 09 08:19 |
| oiaohm | Now it comes what you have to pay/give them to get the skilled manager in the door. | Aug 09 08:20 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: as I said different business like lots of cooperatives in this country give all staff a share in business not just the managers. | Aug 09 08:21 |
| oiaohm | That means if the business does really well in a year since everyone has a share everyone gets a form of share calculated bonus. | Aug 09 08:22 |
| oiaohm | Lot of those cooperatives if you are fired you have to sell your shares out in 12 months. | Aug 09 08:23 |
| kingoffrance | makes sense | Aug 09 08:24 |
| oiaohm | Then you get business where no one bar the owners have any shares in the business. | Aug 09 08:27 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: there is a lot of business theories that under close inspection don't make any sense yet business do them anyhow. | Aug 09 08:28 |
| kingoffrance | feudalism of course i think king owned it all, and maybe pope above that, and rules who could enter a trade etc. so when i say gerstner seems a 1/2-way "traditional" view that is only in a microcosm/tiny zoomed in picture perhaps, and falls apart if you "zoom out" | Aug 09 08:29 |
| oiaohm | Even under feudalism there was still normally trade. | Aug 09 08:30 |
| kingoffrance | i guess i dont know any other thing to compare to where stocks were less prominent, so apologies if my observations make little sense | Aug 09 08:30 |
| oiaohm | when you have a lot of faudalism you had a lot of guilds with their own secrets. | Aug 09 08:31 |
| kingoffrance | well that i would argue is still with us :) | Aug 09 08:31 |
| oiaohm | Not to the same extrema. | Aug 09 08:32 |
| oiaohm | Like you wanted to play a flute when england was high faudalism was a different guild to playing a stringed instrument and so. | Aug 09 08:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes there was also arguements over what was a knife and what was a sword because to make those owned to different guilds. | Aug 09 08:33 |
| oiaohm | The most stupid in one area in the middle ages it it was 1 guild to make a wooden chair and a different one to make the table to go with it. | Aug 09 08:35 |
| oiaohm | Yes some of the concepts of guilds is still with us but they are no were near as stupid as they were. | Aug 09 08:36 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: jesus won't be there because he doesn't exist | Aug 09 10:12 |
| MinceR | what does exist is abrahamists' evilness, stupidity and infantilism | Aug 09 10:13 |
| schestowitz | https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=900394707 | Aug 09 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | Text-Only NPR.org : TikTok To Sue Trump Administration Over Ban, As Soon As Tuesday | Aug 09 10:20 | |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/politics-4 | Aug 09 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Politics | Aug 09 12:32 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20020662 | Aug 09 13:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Commandments | Aug 09 15:15 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Right now would be a good time for Illinois and New York to put a small financial transaction tax on futures trading. | Aug 09 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The central bank is essentially robobuying to use the stock market as a re-eletion prop for Trump while it's not doing well in reality. | Aug 09 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This would force the central bank to pay a tax to the state, which could be used to keep enhanced unemployment benefits going without affecting the state budget deficit. | Aug 09 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's really nothing Trump could do about it. The central bank is a quasi-governmental agency, but it's not directly controlled by the federal government. The banks who have to take part in it have more control than the government does. They want Trump back in office and they know that the damage they do to the Dollar to get it done is going to be the public's problem in the end anyway. | Aug 09 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if they want to prop up fake stock values with inflated money, they'd just have to pay the tax. | Aug 09 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fact that we're down to brass tacks right now as far as state budgets and this hasn't happened shows that the state really is that captured. Maybe they'll do it when there really is no other choice. | Aug 09 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no easy way for a place like Indiana to raise revenue because they have no industry that is particularly valuable in a modern economy by GDP. In fact, Indiana courts will be packed by Chapter 9 bankruptcies because those are already up 37% as farmers go bankrupt under Trump despite him giving them checks for no reason and calling it "trade adjustment relief". | Aug 09 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The remaining family farms will go back to creditors in the Chapter 9 process. They'll re-emerge as part of some giant multinational when the bank goes "Eww, we don't want a farm." and sells it to ConAgra or something. | Aug 09 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bankruptcy filings in Illinois are springing back and accelerating past 100% of normal already. The numbers dived in March, April, and May because of the shutdown. If the courts are closed except for criminal cases, then your creditors really can't do much to you, so no immediate need to file. The automatic stay alone is worth a lot to stall out banks and landlords from saying "Okay Mr. Smith, hand over the car keys | Aug 09 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | and get your shit out of the apartment!". | Aug 09 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yes, the federal government keeps a closer eye on people who want rent forgiveness, UBI, and good healthcare than they do on Republican nutcases who are putting together an Oklahoma City. Why is that? Well, it's because it doesn't really care about people, but the current oligarchy being uprooted is not what it wants at all. Richard Stallman pointed out that people should be able to exchange ideas withou | Aug 09 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | worrying what will happen to them because of it, if it's not a danger to the public. | Aug 09 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the whole TikTok debacle is that Trump is paranoid and wants to control all "social" media so that he can have people illegally spying on his political enemies. | Aug 09 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he says jump, GAFAM asks how high. | Aug 09 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the more "American tech company" products you use, the more of a threat to your privacy there is, and if you refuse them, that serves a purpose too because then you can't communicate with people who have agreed to be spied on so that they can be brainwashed and gaslighted by the propaganda and advertisements that float into their "newsfeed". | Aug 09 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Facebook is so hooked into other Android apps that if you start using much of anything from the Play Store, they know which gas stations you fill up your car at. They know everything you do on Grindr or POF. Your bank tells them things about you. If you have a Ring doorbell, it talks to Facebook. It's not just what you do on Facebook, and they have a very hidden "off site activity" page because of the new state | Aug 09 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | privacy laws, but it's hard to find, and you can request that they delete it. | Aug 09 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who knows? But they'll have like 30-40 data sources and a lot of them will be apps on your phone where you use an email address or telephone number that's associated with your Facebook profile. | Aug 09 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they know who to associate it with. | Aug 09 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Facebook does soft pulls on your credit report, but you won't know it was them, because they wait for those stupid "You prequalify for a credit card" things to do it and then buy the data, and hide behind that. | Aug 09 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You lose when you start using Facebook and Apps because they pay lots of people to sit around all day and figure out ways to steal your information and compile it. When you try to block it, that's fine, because they figured a way around that too. | Aug 09 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Your smartphone is really just a portal to hell as far as your privacy goes. You can make it a little better by plugging some of the leaks (like using a DNS server that drops requests to tracking and analytics servers and using F-Droid apps wherever possible), but the Play Store stuff is all bugged. | Aug 09 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you download an app that says it's a pack of wallpapers, it's a bug. | Aug 09 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Both companies say they'll delete TikTok if Trump tells them to and said they do the same in India, Russia, or China with apps and they "just follow orders". | Aug 09 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: This is also a source of kompromat. | Aug 09 20:10 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20020658 | Aug 09 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4337670) | Aug 09 20:11 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | For example, if a politician is married and on Grindr, Facebook knows. They tell the NSA. | Aug 09 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe if Trump doesn't like them, it leaks. | Aug 09 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They quietly forced the sale of Grindr from the Chinese to American investors. | Aug 09 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John Oliver was joking that $9 billion was about $10 per STD that traced back to Grindr somehow. | Aug 09 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: In Illinois, you can only get out of parental notification with a judge's order. | Aug 09 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you go to Chicago where all the judges are Democrats, it's easier. | Aug 09 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Don't go to a judge in your cousin fuck county. | Aug 09 20:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 09 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: There's a new abortion clinic in Waukegan. | Aug 09 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Errr, MinceR | Aug 09 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, when people objected, it was already built. | Aug 09 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The local officials claimed that they approved a "medical facility with doctors offices" and had "no idea how it would end up being used" when they approved the zoning. | Aug 09 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So now there's an abortion clinic right over the state line from Wisconsin. | Aug 09 20:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 09 20:16 |
| MinceR | it's crazy enough that they can't handle abortions in ordinary hospitals | Aug 09 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans say, "Yeah, but most people getting abortions are black, so it's racist.". I'm like, "Oh, you care about racism? Let's talk about the police choking them and suiciding them in the back of squad cars.". Then mom be all like "Change of subject, so did you hear about this Macaroni and Cheese recipe?". | Aug 09 20:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 09 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Her latest kick is wanting to get out of the midwest and move somewhere where the taxes are not sky high, the weather is awful half the year, and the government is all up in your shit over everything. | Aug 09 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I think we finally have an agreement in principle on something. | Aug 09 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wherever you move in the midwest is bad. Ohio is probably a red state now and it's because the Republicans took over, half the state left when they ruined the economy, and it's a trailer park like Indiana with a few black cities where nobody can afford to get out. | Aug 09 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy thinks Illinois is better than the Philippines, but that's probably not saying much. It seems to be like the Puerto Rico of Asia, only the US gave up on it on paper. | Aug 09 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have something worse than Trump over there. Duterte. An autocratic asshole, who is literally letting China seize their outlying islands while telling the US military to get out. | Aug 09 20:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So obviously my in-laws love this because they're as fucking stupid as a Trump supporter. | Aug 09 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm still fairly confident that if China took Hawaii or Alaska, it would mean war. | Aug 09 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, who knows? Trump is weak. | Aug 09 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His latest tuck his tail and run from the reporters incident came yesterday. | Aug 09 20:29 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/688225.jpg | Aug 09 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of them asked about his lie, that he has told 150 times, about signing a Veteran's Healthcare bill that became law 3 years before he was president. | Aug 09 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He ended the press conference and ran away immediately. | Aug 09 20:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 09 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We've figured out how to take them out! Get on the radio and spread the word! | Aug 09 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just start asking him about his 50,000 lies each time he tries to hold a conference to claim the Coronavirus is under control. | Aug 09 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He'll quickly excuse himself and run away. | Aug 09 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they can just repeat that through November we won't have to worry about him trying to get airtime. | Aug 09 20:32 |
| MinceR | nah, his pals in hungary have already demonstrated how to fix that | Aug 09 20:33 |
| MinceR | either only allow the state's bootlickers to ask questions or have the questions submitted in text and ignore all the inconvenient ones | Aug 09 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His latest bullshit is trying not to count undocumented immigrants for apportionment, which is not going to fly. But if it did, it would take more electoral votes away from states like Texas than anyone. | Aug 09 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Estimates are that about 9% of the state population there is undocumented, vs about 3-4% of Illinois. | Aug 09 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it would redistribute electoral votes around and they'd be more likely to land in a blue state. | Aug 09 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, Trump's illegal executive orders fall apart immediately anyway. | Aug 09 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The $46 billion in unspent CARES Act money he rerouted to reduced unemployment benefits ($200 a week cut for everyone) runs out after about a month anyway at current unemployment rates. | Aug 09 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he'll need a deal from Congress by September anyway even if it does fly, which means people take a buzz cut on their unemployment and some states may not even give the federal funds out because it requires them to front $100 a week and they're in trouble. | Aug 09 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What it's more likely to do is keep expanded unemployment benefits flowing in states like Illinois, New York, California, Oregon, and Washington, which can come up with the money, while Indiana goes "Nah, we don't care anyway.". | Aug 09 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His base are not living in economic powerhouse states that can float some of the benefit money. They're living in corn fields. | Aug 09 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 20 years ago, when Governor O'Bannon was running Indiana and the Democrats had the House and Senate, they'd be doing anything they could to take care of the people there and reopen schools in a way that doesn't just cram a million of them in there with no social distancing or masks, but those days are gone. | Aug 09 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans are a bunch of stupid retards that tried to open the schools only to SCRAM them anyway a week later when students in nearly every district showed up and exposed everyone to the virus. | Aug 09 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So what you're going to see is an explosion of COVID-19 in Indiana and Georgia so they could have school for 7 days and then shut it down and go remote learning anyway. | Aug 09 20:44 |
| drdogcow | is this #techrights or #pol? | Aug 09 20:51 |
| MinceR | does your client not tell you? | Aug 09 20:52 |
| drdogcow | my client says #techrights but all i see is a stream of text about trump, voting, and covid | Aug 09 20:53 |
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| XRevan86 | > SELECT col FROM (SELECT '123' AS col UNION ALL SELECT 'a1' UNION ALL SELECT 'b2') AS t1 WHERE col = 0; | Aug 09 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | a1 | Aug 09 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | b2 | Aug 09 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | MariaDB | Aug 09 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is turning the US into something out of China in a lot of ways. | Aug 09 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | An absolute magic of implicit type casting. | Aug 09 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The controlled tech and spying programs are designed to make people censor themselves and the government will know everything if you proceed to do anything. | Aug 09 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Stallman warned about this in that interview schestowitz posted. | Aug 09 20:57 |
| XRevan86 | drdogcow: How's that? :) | Aug 09 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Treasury is getting a lot nastier with Form 8300. | Aug 09 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they're coming down on cash hard. | Aug 09 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's almost impossible to use cash for anything big anymore. | Aug 09 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bigger than a car repair bill or a TV and you might actually trigger 8300 as a "voluntary report". | Aug 09 20:58 |
| drdogcow | XRevan86: much better than the trump ranting | Aug 09 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's also a neat way to make anyone who bails out of jail for any grade of felony the subject of a federal investigation. | Aug 09 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You post bond money and they report it to the IRS, who goes over all your finances. | Aug 09 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They did not mention this in Better Call Saul when that Cartel guy got Saul Goodman to grab $750,000 in drug money to post bail so the guy could run back to Mexico. More than $10,000 would trigger 8300. | Aug 09 21:00 |
| drdogcow | why would the cartel guy care given that he provided a fake identity? | Aug 09 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The DEA would be smoking their tires to get down there..... It takes 5 minutes to post this form electronically, and when it's a Mexican guy being bailed out with $750,000 cash and the cops can make it take 12 hours to actually be released from jail.... | Aug 09 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The DEA Albuquerque office is so close to the county jail in the series that they just get in the car and drive a few blocks. If they're already watching this guy for a Cartel-style murder, then they'd be down there before the police let him out. | Aug 09 21:02 |
| drdogcow | yes, sure. and what are they gonna do? | Aug 09 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In reality, his false identity probably wouldn't have lasted long enough for the bond hearing itself. | Aug 09 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Form 8300 probably wouldn't matter. | Aug 09 21:03 |
| drdogcow | does the hearing require source of funds to be proven? | Aug 09 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's up to the judge. | Aug 09 21:03 |
| drdogcow | notifying irs to look into something is one thing, but would it stop his release? | Aug 09 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That 17 year old in Florida can post bond with the money he stole during the Twitter hack. | Aug 09 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The judge at the Zoom hearing that got taken over with porn videos modified it so he doesn't have to prove the $3 million in his bitcoin wallet is legit. | Aug 09 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was talking about that earlier. His bond is actually, $750,000. | Aug 09 21:05 |
| drdogcow | interesting | Aug 09 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if I was him I'd figure out a way to post bond with that and then go to Canada because the funds are still under his control. | Aug 09 21:05 |
| drdogcow | might as well given what he is facing with those charges | Aug 09 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty easy to live in Canada illegally as long as you don't draw attention, break laws, and have plenty of cash. | Aug 09 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Unlawful Flight is almost a joke if you add it to the 30 felonies he's already indicted on. | Aug 09 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they are dumb enough to let him post bail, he needs to get out of this country as fast as he can | Aug 09 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, Separate Sovereigns. If the 30 felonies in Florida fell apart, the federal government could come in and arrest him again and take another whack. | Aug 09 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He needs to figure out a way to just run and never be found. | Aug 09 21:08 |
| drdogcow | i thought it was already a federal prosecution | Aug 09 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nope. Florida law lets them charge as an adult and send him to big boy prison when he turns 18 for another 30 or 40 years. | Aug 09 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So unless he wants to miss his life from age 17-60, he needs to disappear quickly. | Aug 09 21:09 |
| drdogcow | did the feds charge the other players in this incident? i could've sworn i read quotes the other day from some us attorney press release | Aug 09 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | drdogcow: If he has $2.25 million left in a bitcoin wallet that the court hasn't seized and he's on bail, he needs to figure out how to take it and run. | Aug 09 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Forfeit the $750,000 to the court and disappear. | Aug 09 21:10 |
| drdogcow | yeah | Aug 09 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <drdogcow "did the feds charge the other pl"> The others were not in the United States. I think one was in Australia. I have no idea how the law works there. | Aug 09 21:11 |
| drdogcow | ah yes that's right | Aug 09 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd at least move somewhere where there's a lot of illegal immigrants and have someone create me a fake identity. | Aug 09 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Use the fake identity at some "doesn't give a fuck" motel where you can pay cash. | Aug 09 21:12 |
| drdogcow | the kid shouldn't get more than a slap on the wrist for this | Aug 09 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Try to stay low key for the rest of my life. | Aug 09 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd have to use burner phones or better, just don't use a smartphone at all if you can avoid it. | Aug 09 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Toss the burner in the trash every week. Take the battery out when you were going anywhere close to the motel again. | Aug 09 21:13 |
| drdogcow | yep | Aug 09 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd stock up on cloth face masks. It's not exactly an Asian tourist thing anymore. | Aug 09 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That way nobody can go "Hey, that's that kid from the news!". | Aug 09 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | drdogcow: Probably the best choice for confusing facial recognition would be those ones with the razzle dazzle design on them. | Aug 09 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not good for avoiding attention, but it does confuse spatial orientation when people look at it. | Aug 09 21:18 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So you don't want to look at it. | Aug 09 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were using it on ships in the world wars because it made it harder for Nazi U-Boats to figure out the size profile, speed, and bearing of the ships. | Aug 09 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they were more likely to miscalculate where to aim a torpedo. | Aug 09 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw some razzle dazzle gaiters on Amazon the other day. | Aug 09 21:19 |
| drdogcow | very interesting | Aug 09 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They never figured out exactly how effective it was, but the studies seemed to suggest that it caused fewer ships painted as such to be sunk, and the ones that did get hit by the torpedo didn't get struck exactly where the torpedo would have been aimed. | Aug 09 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So less damage to the ship. Gives the crew more time to send a distress and get out. | Aug 09 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | drdogcow: Yeah, I saw an article republished by CNN the other day. | Aug 09 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Said that even just a plain old $1 face mask is confusing the best facial recognition software more than 50% of the time. | Aug 09 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if everyone keeps wearing them, it will make the facial recognition software so inaccurate that it will be functionally useless for mass surveillance. | Aug 09 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd like to see a study where someone used different shapes, colors, and patterns, including razzle dazzle. | Aug 09 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My guess is that razzle dazzle would be more effective at confusing facial recognition because it's trying too "lock on" to given unique features of a face, and when you have random shapes and patterns of gray and black, it might further confuse the software | Aug 09 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Chinese government claims that they have facial recognition that's still pretty accurate when people wear masks, but they'd say that even if it wasn't true. | Aug 09 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What are they going to do? Admit it doesn't work very well if everyone wears masks? | Aug 09 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A government will never admit that there's a way to screw up something it wants to do to you. | Aug 09 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes it's fairly simple, but they'll be damned if they tell you that. | Aug 09 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | drdogcow: My spouse asks why I wear my clip on sunglasses. I said, "Biometrics. If a camera can't get a look at my irises, then they can't record that I was there.". | Aug 09 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's one of those "Why would you care?" people. | Aug 09 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state has high resolution pictures of my eyes because they took a mugshot of me. | Aug 09 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that means that the FBI does too. | Aug 09 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I asked the FBI for anything it knows about me, I got a letter in the mail claiming they don't have a file on me. | Aug 09 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which I know is a lie, because I have an FBI file that was referenced by the police. | Aug 09 21:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I hit the FBI with another FOIA request. | Aug 09 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | drdogcow: The Shawshank Redemption method. | Aug 09 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just keep bothering them until they release it to make you go away. | Aug 09 21:43 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hills_(store) | Aug 09 23:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hills (store) - Wikipedia | Aug 09 23:01 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | We used to have these too. I remember when Walmart wasn't much of anything. | Aug 09 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their older store in Marion didn't have groceries and stuff. It was pretty customary back then for the discount stores to have their own fast food snack bars in the back though. | Aug 09 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone at Walmart decided to exit that business and lease the space to Subway and McDonalds, mostly. | Aug 09 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now with the Coronavirus, Subway (which was already having problems) is collapsing. I think they'll be in bankruptcy soon anyway. Their franchise pitch was mainly to lower middle income immigrants who wanted to have a small business. | Aug 09 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | McDonalds also said they would be closing 200 stores in Walmart locations. | Aug 09 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it should be interesting to see where this goes. The Walmart locations have found it almost impossible to do business without people being able to sit around and shoot the shit while they're at Walmart for something. | Aug 09 23:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the profitability has taken a nosedive, and the fact that Corporate is closing these says they don't believe that the economy will recover from the virus anytime soon. | Aug 09 23:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart sort of echoes that, because the position of "Health Ambassador" has been made a permanent job code. | Aug 09 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So big business sees this as a multi-year problem that is just a fact of life now. | Aug 09 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans and CNBC assholes who tell people how to set their money on fire won't tell you that though. | Aug 09 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CNBC is still affiliated with Microsoft. | Aug 09 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You will absolutely never hear anything that damages Microsoft from NBC because Microsoft owns a substantial stake in NBC, to this day. They're not going to piss off their biggest shareholder. | Aug 09 23:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They sold most of their stake in NBC to Comcast, not that that's better. | Aug 09 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft still owns shares. | Aug 09 23:10 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, Microsoft is still the ad network for the website too. | Aug 09 23:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: That's another way to remain in control of the reporting I guess. | Aug 09 23:12 |
| schestowitz | ryes | Aug 09 23:12 |
| schestowitz | yes | Aug 09 23:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Let the shares go, but sign a long deal to be their exclusive ad network | Aug 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Gates does the same | Aug 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | bribe as "supporting journalism" | Aug 09 23:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | David Koch does the same with PBS. | Aug 09 23:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were going to run a documentary that showed how his corrupting influence worked, so he gave them a billion dollars and they destroyed the documentary, never ran it, and started plastering his name on all of their programming. | Aug 09 23:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Public Television" | Aug 09 23:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Supported by viewers LIKE YOU." | Aug 09 23:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since his generous donation, and some from Exxon and Walmart, they have stopped airing documentaries on those as well, along with anything that talks about climate change or pollution. | Aug 09 23:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing on sweatshop labor. | Aug 09 23:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not what they used to be. | Aug 09 23:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They ran that thing called "Is Walmart good for America?" and it was talking all about Kathy lee Gifford and the sweatshop labor that went into things like her line of purses and stuff. | Aug 09 23:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the money came in and Walmart started running 5-6 minute long ads on PBS about how much good they bring to the community. | Aug 09 23:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | HBO took over Sesame Street because PBS didn't want to put money into it anymore. | Aug 09 23:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/3/20897104/sesame-street-streaming-hbo-max-warnermedia-pbs-disney-apple-streaming-wars | Aug 09 23:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | HBO Max locks down exclusive access to new Sesame Street episodes - The Verge | Aug 09 23:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | That actually became an election issue in 2012. Mitt Romney was talking about defunding PBS and Obama said "He's trying to kill Big Bird!". | Aug 09 23:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Obama wins, HBO grabs Sesame Street. | Aug 09 23:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now it's an HBO streaming exclusive and your kids can't watch it without DRM software. | Aug 09 23:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Bill Hicks was ahead of his time. He had that "If you're in advertising or marketing, kill yourself. This isn't a joke. Do it. You do nothing good on this planet. Kill yourself." bit. | Aug 09 23:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Quit putting a goddamned dollar sign on everything on this planet.". | Aug 09 23:22 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's gotten so much worse. | Aug 09 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Saying you don't care about some stupid product to people these days is like the reaction you get if you walk up to a Christian and give them devil horns and shout hail Satan. | Aug 09 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Capitalism is a religion. | Aug 09 23:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Poverty is sacrilege. If you don't produce or buy, your life has no value. You're not worth anything. They're not interested in hearing about, oh I don't know, Christianity's stated ideal. The value of a single human life being immeasurable. | Aug 09 23:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Not interested. Trump gets 166,000 Americans killed by being a stupid asshole and giving them something to emulate, and "Who cares?" If one life has no value to them and 166,000 lives have no value to them, we're not living in a "Christian" country with the meaning they keep saying, and why should 40 million abortions mean anything to these people either? | Aug 09 23:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's not about being decent, or doing the right thing. It's about money and power. The Christians don't mind Trump because he's all about money and power and he'll do any damned despicable thing to keep and expand it too. | Aug 09 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was well known that Jerry Falwell Jr. was a freak and a pervert, apparently, well before "the pants down picture with booze and a floozy" thing got uploaded, by him, to his own Twitter account. | Aug 09 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, it didn't even leak. He just thought he was too powerful and had hand picked too many of the board members at Liberty University for anything to come of it. | Aug 09 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If he hadn't had a Twitter account, he wouldn't have uploaded that picture to Twitter, obviously. He obviously can't be all that smart. | Aug 09 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just a raging narcissist who thought, "Hey, I got away with this and this and that, and I endorsed Trump who is obviously so corrupt he wouldn't last 5 minutes by Liberty's own Student Guidelines. Nothing ever happens to me!". | Aug 09 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Liberty University has "rules" about smoking, not dressing conservatively, drinking, using marijuana....just everything. You can get fined or expelled. | Aug 09 23:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But just as it is with actual laws, it really really helps if you aren't stupid enough to leave evidence everywhere and post it to Facebook. | Aug 09 23:36 |
| schestowitz | [23:13] <DaemonFC[m]> David Koch does the same with PBS. | Aug 09 23:45 |
| schestowitz | So does Gates | Aug 09 23:45 |
| schestowitz | both of them, as I noted before | Aug 09 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Gates does this to NPR as well | Aug 09 23:45 |
| schestowitz | repeatedly even | Aug 09 23:45 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh beautiful funky looking Apple products ! | Aug 09 23:50 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: hi seb | Aug 09 23:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: sorry, was busy here with incidents | Aug 09 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Aug 09 23:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I could use your help | Aug 09 23:59 |
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