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| vmg3 | Love to be a fly on the wall https://packetstormsecurity.com/files/161734/GS20210310152945.txt | Mar 11 00:19 |
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| vmg3 | geminis back | Mar 11 00:30 |
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| birkoff | it''s almost like smart people can never achieve majority in a rabbit democracy | Mar 11 00:38 |
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| vmg3 | Ethics and applied ethics. western philosophy!! https://www.acu.edu.au/study-at-acu/find-a-course/philosophy/ethics-and-applied-ethics someone drinks the koolaid | Mar 11 00:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.acu.edu.au | Study ethics and applied ethics at ACU | Mar 11 00:41 | |
| MinceR | (audio) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/734530.mp4 | Mar 11 01:05 |
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| vmg3 | hahaha | Mar 11 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | [00:30] <vmg3> geminis back | Mar 11 06:50 |
| schestowitz | which address? | Mar 11 06:50 |
| vmg3 | schestowitz: the whole lot, when I posted that it was all down from my end | Mar 11 06:53 |
| schestowitz | I mean, | Mar 11 06:53 |
| vmg3 | techrights | Mar 11 06:53 |
| schestowitz | I was checking au.techrights.org | Mar 11 06:53 |
| vmg3 | ok i'm still under attack | Mar 11 06:54 |
| vmg3 | reading up on iptables and tc | Mar 11 06:54 |
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| vmg3 | never played with it, but seems to have some good features | Mar 11 06:56 |
| vmg3 | always just relied on router | Mar 11 06:56 |
| vmg3 | off/low/high | Mar 11 06:56 |
| Ariadne | iptables is awful | Mar 11 06:57 |
| vmg3 | don't say that | Mar 11 06:58 |
| Ariadne | why? it is objectively true | Mar 11 06:58 |
| Ariadne | netfilter team made nftables as a replacement because iptables is really that bad | Mar 11 06:58 |
| schestowitz | true | Mar 11 06:58 |
| schestowitz | we thought about nftables | Mar 11 06:58 |
| schestowitz | but this OS comes with iptables | Mar 11 06:59 |
| Ariadne | which OS? | Mar 11 06:59 |
| Ariadne | alpine has both | Mar 11 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Debian | Mar 11 06:59 |
| vmg3 | I have to study more at my age its hard to grasp and hold | Mar 11 06:59 |
| Ariadne | debian also have both | Mar 11 06:59 |
| Ariadne | `apt install nftables` | Mar 11 06:59 |
| vmg3 | ok its used with tc? | Mar 11 07:00 |
| vmg3 | thats where most of my playing has been | Mar 11 07:00 |
| Ariadne | can be yeah | Mar 11 07:03 |
| vmg3 | ok thanks | Mar 11 07:04 |
| Ariadne | anyway if you're trying to learn linux networking skills, focus on nftables, it's the future | Mar 11 07:04 |
| Ariadne | iptables is the past | Mar 11 07:04 |
| vmg3 | cool, keeps me on my toes | Mar 11 07:04 |
| Ariadne | also look at VPP project if you want to learn some stuff that can land you a HPC gig | Mar 11 07:05 |
| Ariadne | https://wiki.fd.io/view/VPP/What_is_VPP%3F | Mar 11 07:06 |
| Ariadne | really cool stuff | Mar 11 07:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.fd.io | VPP/What is VPP? - fd.io | Mar 11 07:06 | |
| vmg3 | oh I break things, most of this is way out of my league | Mar 11 07:06 |
| Ariadne | i have VPP packaged for alpine, we were able to route 150gbps of traffic on an alpine box with VPP and a pair of 400gbe cards | Mar 11 07:07 |
| Ariadne | really neat | Mar 11 07:07 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvaeXgfs-ks | Mar 11 07:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I See So Much Negativity In The World - YouTube | Mar 11 07:08 | |
| vmg3 | wow, you're a pro. you all should'nt waste to much time on me, honestly | Mar 11 07:09 |
| vmg3 | I'm just driven by a bit of curiosity | Mar 11 07:09 |
| Ariadne | curiosity is good | Mar 11 07:09 |
| vmg3 | it gets me into a lot of trouble | Mar 11 07:10 |
| Ariadne | the real way of preserving software freedom is by inspiring more curiosity | Mar 11 07:10 |
| vmg3 | In awe of most of the conversation here | Mar 11 07:10 |
| Ariadne | there's conversation here worth being in awe of? | Mar 11 07:11 |
| vmg3 | for a person at my level yeah | Mar 11 07:11 |
| vmg3 | I've been using linux for a few years and that leads to more curiosity | Mar 11 07:12 |
| Ariadne | there's better places to lurk, but i am sure you'll find them in your own time ^_^ | Mar 11 07:12 |
| vmg3 | I've learnt a bit in a short time | Mar 11 07:13 |
| Ariadne | and from a purely academic POV, linux is not the only thing to investigate | Mar 11 07:13 |
| Ariadne | you should look at the BSD kernels, and there are even things to learn from the NT model via ReactOS | Mar 11 07:14 |
| vmg3 | for sure | Mar 11 07:14 |
| vmg3 | I play, most people here are in the industry just tid bits keep me going | Mar 11 07:15 |
| schestowitz | linux is, atm, where most OSes are | Mar 11 07:15 |
| schestowitz | RHEL, Android... | Mar 11 07:15 |
| schestowitz | that might change in the future | Mar 11 07:15 |
| schestowitz | the concepts matter more than brands | Mar 11 07:15 |
| vmg3 | it all just controls hardware | Mar 11 07:15 |
| Ariadne | linux is the new industrial unix | Mar 11 07:15 |
| schestowitz | LF makes Linux almost synonymous with "MONOPOLIES", but this process takes time and many people haven't come to acceptance with it | Mar 11 07:16 |
| Ariadne | LF is the new AT&T | Mar 11 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: except unix didn't do "mobile phones" | Mar 11 07:16 |
| Ariadne | of course not | Mar 11 07:16 |
| schestowitz | or "Aye Oh Tea" | Mar 11 07:16 |
| Ariadne | but those things did not exist in the 80s ;) | Mar 11 07:16 |
| schestowitz | fewer computers existed | Mar 11 07:17 |
| Ariadne | i mean, they did, but it was quite rudementary | Mar 11 07:17 |
| vmg3 | retro | Mar 11 07:17 |
| schestowitz | power-efficient sometimes | Mar 11 07:17 |
| schestowitz | like 1990s phones | Mar 11 07:17 |
| Ariadne | back then you got to listen to people's phone calls with a police scanner | Mar 11 07:17 |
| schestowitz | no "apps" and "push notifications" | Mar 11 07:17 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: if they used cordless | Mar 11 07:18 |
| schestowitz | then you could use walkie talkie | Mar 11 07:18 |
| Ariadne | also if they used cellular | Mar 11 07:18 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkie-talkie | Mar 11 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Walkie-talkie - Wikipedia | Mar 11 07:18 | |
| Ariadne | yeah i had a few when i grew up :P | Mar 11 07:18 |
| schestowitz | sometimes if you stood next to power poles you could pick better signal | Mar 11 07:18 |
| vmg3 | king of the hill | Mar 11 07:18 |
| schestowitz | what do "kids" do these days for fun? | Mar 11 07:19 |
| schestowitz | I guess tiktok something | Mar 11 07:19 |
| Ariadne | that and fortnite | Mar 11 07:19 |
| schestowitz | I never met a tiktok user (that I know of) | Mar 11 07:19 |
| schestowitz | but apparently many people use tiktok | Mar 11 07:19 |
| Ariadne | children do | Mar 11 07:19 |
| schestowitz | tiko-talkie | Mar 11 07:19 |
| vmg3 | doom shareware on single floppy was my "hey yeah" moment | Mar 11 07:19 |
| schestowitz | I played LOADS of doom | Mar 11 07:20 |
| schestowitz | and doom2 | Mar 11 07:20 |
| schestowitz | fond memories... | Mar 11 07:20 |
| schestowitz | it was quite cutting-edge back then | Mar 11 07:20 |
| vmg3 | yeah some of the only software i ever paid for | Mar 11 07:20 |
| schestowitz | not much innovation in games since then | Mar 11 07:20 |
| schestowitz | just more polygon soups | Mar 11 07:20 |
| vmg3 | UT taught me how to write a script | Mar 11 07:20 |
| schestowitz | now that push real-time ray-tracing | Mar 11 07:21 |
| schestowitz | which doesn't even look good | Mar 11 07:21 |
| schestowitz | RT only looks good if you give it loads of time | Mar 11 07:21 |
| schestowitz | and intricate surfaces, canculations | Mar 11 07:21 |
| vmg3 | I dont play games anymore, no enjoyment | Mar 11 07:21 |
| schestowitz | the calculation of fine-drained stuff like the angle of each side of a chair | Mar 11 07:21 |
| schestowitz | it's mostly gimmicks now | Mar 11 07:22 |
| schestowitz | "blow things up" | Mar 11 07:22 |
| schestowitz | "more polygons" | Mar 11 07:22 |
| schestowitz | "new weapons" | Mar 11 07:22 |
| vmg3 | part of the upgrade pc game | Mar 11 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Enemy Territory was fun | Mar 11 07:22 |
| schestowitz | but hardly innovative | Mar 11 07:22 |
| schestowitz | like Wolfenstein modernised | Mar 11 07:22 |
| schestowitz | so in 15 years we went from pacman to wolfenstein | Mar 11 07:23 |
| schestowitz | the next 15 years? nothing.. | Mar 11 07:23 |
| Ariadne | so i am considering accepting an offer for a research position from a certain software company schestowitz hates | Mar 11 07:23 |
| vmg3 | most is on steam, The last thing I played was war thunder | Mar 11 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: probably not hate so much | Mar 11 07:23 |
| schestowitz | if it's not Microsoft | Mar 11 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Intel, IBM etc. | Mar 11 07:23 |
| Ariadne | haha no comment :D | Mar 11 07:23 |
| schestowitz | VMware... not the end of the world | Mar 11 07:23 |
| Ariadne | well, eating is nice | Mar 11 07:24 |
| vmg3 | and sleeping | Mar 11 07:24 |
| schestowitz | but it's not Microsoft, right? | Mar 11 07:24 |
| Ariadne | it might be | Mar 11 07:24 |
| schestowitz | because they can exert pressure to cause censorship | Mar 11 07:25 |
| schestowitz | they tried this on us before | Mar 11 07:25 |
| schestowitz | salaries are slush funds to them | Mar 11 07:25 |
| schestowitz | if their true wish is muzzling their critics | Mar 11 07:25 |
| schestowitz | Also, Microsoft doesn't do research | Mar 11 07:25 |
| schestowitz | it's a marketing stunt | Mar 11 07:26 |
| vmg3 | seems they are being muzzled now | Mar 11 07:26 |
| schestowitz | for tax breaks, too | Mar 11 07:26 |
| Ariadne | they do have an R&D subsidiary | Mar 11 07:26 |
| schestowitz | yes, tax scam | Mar 11 07:26 |
| schestowitz | other companies do the same | Mar 11 07:26 |
| schestowitz | they also make 'local' subsidiaries | Mar 11 07:26 |
| schestowitz | to get to pretend to be worthy of access to data and stuff | Mar 11 07:26 |
| vmg3 | thier tenticals spread far, but mostly for $ | Mar 11 07:26 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: if it's Microsoft, tell them no | Mar 11 07:26 |
| schestowitz | it's a classic modus | Mar 11 07:26 |
| schestowitz | they look for ways to undermine critics | Mar 11 07:27 |
| schestowitz | and then allocate money to the muzzling | Mar 11 07:27 |
| Ariadne | my heart wants to, but my bank account says something else | Mar 11 07:27 |
| schestowitz | They did this to raspi this yeat | Mar 11 07:27 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: they're not in it for the tech | Mar 11 07:27 |
| schestowitz | but for the censorship | Mar 11 07:27 |
| schestowitz | it's an old modus | Mar 11 07:27 |
| schestowitz | and you can work elsewhere | Mar 11 07:27 |
| schestowitz | even if for less | Mar 11 07:27 |
| Ariadne | easy for you to say :D | Mar 11 07:27 |
| schestowitz | they're not in it for anything other than control and that means muzzling critics | Mar 11 07:28 |
| vmg3 | control is another issue | Mar 11 07:28 |
| schestowitz | they tried it on our company also | Mar 11 07:28 |
| schestowitz | boss pushed back | Mar 11 07:28 |
| Ariadne | well, i have other possibilities | Mar 11 07:28 |
| Ariadne | i am still thinking about what to do | Mar 11 07:28 |
| vmg3 | governments to, they lap it up | Mar 11 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: go for the other option | Mar 11 07:28 |
| schestowitz | I can tell you on the record stuff Microsoft tried to kill techrights | Mar 11 07:29 |
| schestowitz | or to cause me to lose the site/job | Mar 11 07:29 |
| Ariadne | the team i used to work for got absorbed into IBM and SAP | Mar 11 07:29 |
| schestowitz | it's no secret you host techrights | Mar 11 07:29 |
| schestowitz | they know you do | Mar 11 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does "BI" | Mar 11 07:30 |
| schestowitz | and finds connections | Mar 11 07:30 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_Retribution_against_individuals_and_organisations | Mar 11 07:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Retribution against individuals and organisations - Techrights | Mar 11 07:30 | |
| vmg3 | the things that all big organisations do behind closed doors to, to protect their image rather than deliver goods it's all coming to the fore now | Mar 11 07:31 |
| Ariadne | yes, they are well aware that i am one of the principle owners of the entity that controls AS398493, which hosts techrights | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: we cannot sue this guy | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | but we have money | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | there's a way | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | there's always a way | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates tried this also | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | personally | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | not just Microsoft "UK" | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/01/24/Mixup | Mar 11 07:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring. | Mar 11 07:31 | |
| Ariadne | microsoft is so strange | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | "[Disclosure/Historical footnote: Those with long memories might suggest a parallel between Rick’s position and mine when in 1997, I was sitting on the XML Working Group and co-editing the spec, on a pro bono basis as an indie consultant. Netscape hired me to represent their interests, and when I announced this, controversy ensued. Which is a nice way of saying that Microsoft went berserk; tried unsuccessfully to get me fired as co- | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | editor, and then launched a vicious, deeply personal extended attack in which they tried to destroy my career and took lethal action against a small struggling company because my wife worked there. It was a sideshow of a sideshow of the great campaign to bury Netscape and I’m sure the executives have forgotten; but I haven’t. Anyhow, I thought I had to point that out first before somebody else dredged it up, but I totally don’t | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | think Rick’s status played in this story and I’m also 100% confident of his integrity.]" | Mar 11 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I want you to understand what they might be REALLY after | Mar 11 07:32 |
| Ariadne | after i finished my bachelor's degree, they tried to recruit me directly into a management position | Mar 11 07:32 |
| schestowitz | they've been trying to use money to silence us for ages | Mar 11 07:32 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: they might be really after a lot of things, who knows | Mar 11 07:32 |
| Ariadne | i just found it funny that i got an offer | Mar 11 07:32 |
| schestowitz | you should reject it | Mar 11 07:33 |
| schestowitz | they are attacking software freedom | Mar 11 07:33 |
| vmg3 | personal freedoms to | Mar 11 07:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft laid off many people last year | Mar 11 07:33 |
| schestowitz | even came to this channel for damage limitation | Mar 11 07:33 |
| schestowitz | spinning the layoffs | Mar 11 07:33 |
| schestowitz | inc. Azure layoffs | Mar 11 07:34 |
| Ariadne | i don't really think microsoft at this point is actively attacking software freedom | Mar 11 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: there are almost certainly some ulterior motives | Mar 11 07:34 |
| Ariadne | in the past, absolutely | Mar 11 07:34 |
| schestowitz | they don't just wake up in the morning and randomly decide to hire people at random | Mar 11 07:34 |
| Ariadne | i think they have new strategy: monetize software freedom | Mar 11 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it is still attacking it | Mar 11 07:34 |
| schestowitz | very strongly | Mar 11 07:34 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: they've been trying to hire me for 15 years ;) | Mar 11 07:34 |
| schestowitz | part of that it trying to poach people | Mar 11 07:35 |
| schestowitz | look what they did to rapi | Mar 11 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: ok, so say no | Mar 11 07:35 |
| schestowitz | you're skilled | Mar 11 07:35 |
| schestowitz | you can get a job elsewhere | Mar 11 07:35 |
| schestowitz | [07:34] <Ariadne> i think they have new strategy: monetize software freedom | Mar 11 07:35 |
| schestowitz | it does not work like that | Mar 11 07:35 |
| schestowitz | because money does not come from freeing people | Mar 11 07:35 |
| schestowitz | but from oppressing them | Mar 11 07:35 |
| Ariadne | sure | Mar 11 07:35 |
| mjg59 | Large tech companies desperately want to hire people with a free software background because they know that they need to work well in the free software space to remain competitive these days | Mar 11 07:35 |
| schestowitz | lock-in, control, extraction | Mar 11 07:35 |
| mjg59 | The ulterior motive here is that they want to continue making money | Mar 11 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Azure is anti-freedom | Mar 11 07:36 |
| schestowitz | (AWS is too, to a degree) | Mar 11 07:36 |
| Ariadne | yes, literally the first offer i got from microsoft 15 years ago was basically "help them understand how to become a FOSS company" | Mar 11 07:36 |
| Ariadne | they wound up hiring daniel robbins from gentoo instead | Mar 11 07:36 |
| schestowitz | after Halloween Documents | Mar 11 07:36 |
| schestowitz | the goal isn't to become free | Mar 11 07:36 |
| schestowitz | but to shut it off | Mar 11 07:36 |
| schestowitz | while pretending there's "love" | Mar 11 07:36 |
| schestowitz | not a new routine | Mar 11 07:36 |
| schestowitz | they did this in the 90s | Mar 11 07:36 |
| mjg59 | They failed to prevent free software from gaining a foothold | Mar 11 07:36 |
| schestowitz | [07:36] <Ariadne> they wound up hiring daniel robbins from gentoo instead | Mar 11 07:37 |
| schestowitz | and he left quikcly | Mar 11 07:37 |
| vmg3 | They know how to opensourse | Mar 11 07:37 |
| schestowitz | hated port 25 | Mar 11 07:37 |
| Ariadne | he left after a few years | Mar 11 07:37 |
| schestowitz | also Wim | Mar 11 07:37 |
| vmg3 | s/source/sourse | Mar 11 07:37 |
| schestowitz | left Microsoft quickly | Mar 11 07:37 |
| mjg59 | They also failed to retain the OS as a strong distinguishing feature | Mar 11 07:37 |
| schestowitz | after the damage had been done | Mar 11 07:37 |
| mjg59 | Products like Office 365 are where Microsoft can still make meaningful money, and they make more money the more platforms that's available on | Mar 11 07:38 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▆▁▂▅▄▅▄▃▁▄▃▅▂▅▅▅▄▅▁▆▄▄▂▃▅▃▄▄▃▅▃▄▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 17.48 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▃█▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▃▃▄▁▂▁▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 39.03▕ swarm size (avg): 135.26 ⟲ | Mar 11 07:38 |
| Ariadne | anyway i do not know what i will do yet | Mar 11 07:39 |
| mjg59 | I don't think Microsoft is idealogically in favour of free software - if it became finanically favourable to reject it again, I suspect they would | Mar 11 07:39 |
| Ariadne | i am evaluating options | Mar 11 07:39 |
| mjg59 | But I doubt that it will become financially favourable to do that, so I doubt they will | Mar 11 07:39 |
| vmg3 | shareholders would revolt | Mar 11 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: OK, you know our position though | Mar 11 07:39 |
| Ariadne | mjg59: customers expect software freedom at this point | Mar 11 07:39 |
| schestowitz | they can make it harder for us to publish Microsoft leaks | Mar 11 07:40 |
| mjg59 | There's been a meaningful shift. This generation of developers has grown up with free software. They're familiar with Linux. | Mar 11 07:40 |
| schestowitz | and can use pressure on you to suppress past publications | Mar 11 07:40 |
| vmg3 | buy thme | Mar 11 07:40 |
| vmg3 | *them | Mar 11 07:40 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: if i were to take the offer, i would ensure that AS398493's operational decision making does not include me, and therefore they couldn't pressure me to do shit | Mar 11 07:40 |
| schestowitz | there is always a way | Mar 11 07:40 |
| schestowitz | for them to pressure people | Mar 11 07:41 |
| schestowitz | they did this before | Mar 11 07:41 |
| schestowitz | several times | Mar 11 07:41 |
| schestowitz | I saw it, I was told that | Mar 11 07:41 |
| schestowitz | they're not a nice company | Mar 11 07:41 |
| schestowitz | sociopaths run it | Mar 11 07:41 |
| schestowitz | and they target other people like you at the moment | Mar 11 07:41 |
| Ariadne | if the operation is disconnected from me, then i would have no input into how it operates | Mar 11 07:41 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/02/21/raspberry-pi-and-a-plan/ | Mar 11 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Inside — Part II: Microsoft Has Plans for the Raspberry Pi or Linux SBCs in General (and It Hides Its Role in That) | Techrights | Mar 11 07:42 | |
| Ariadne | and my partner in running that ISP is a debian developer and staunch FSF supporter | Mar 11 07:42 |
| Ariadne | sooooo | Mar 11 07:42 |
| schestowitz | they try to brain-drain the competition | Mar 11 07:42 |
| schestowitz | like raspi and stuff | Mar 11 07:42 |
| schestowitz | and look what they did to Intel: http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks | Mar 11 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights | Mar 11 07:42 | |
| Ariadne | brain draining a company like intel does not sound bad to me | Mar 11 07:42 |
| Ariadne | i hope they brain drain intel all the way to bankruptcy court | Mar 11 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: but those are just ways of justifying taking Microsoft money | Mar 11 07:43 |
| schestowitz | and having to appease them to get the next salary... and the next | Mar 11 07:43 |
| Ariadne | x86 is the largest threat to software freedom | Mar 11 07:43 |
| schestowitz | ir's hardware | Mar 11 07:43 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Mar 11 07:43 |
| Ariadne | and when the hardware is broken | Mar 11 07:43 |
| Ariadne | so is the software | Mar 11 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has plans | Mar 11 07:43 |
| schestowitz | software freedom is NOT in those | Mar 11 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Taking over groups is | Mar 11 07:44 |
| schestowitz | to undermine them | Mar 11 07:44 |
| schestowitz | like LF | Mar 11 07:44 |
| Ariadne | is software freedom in any company's plans? | Mar 11 07:44 |
| schestowitz | then outsource projects to GitHub | Mar 11 07:44 |
| schestowitz | GitHub is an ATTACK on software freedom | Mar 11 07:44 |
| Ariadne | is software freedom in redhat's plans? | Mar 11 07:44 |
| schestowitz | no, but to some degree | Mar 11 07:44 |
| schestowitz | IBM | Mar 11 07:44 |
| schestowitz | IBM does not go out of its way to crush SF | Mar 11 07:44 |
| schestowitz | except indirectly, e.g. patent lobbying | Mar 11 07:45 |
| schestowitz | there's a difference between not caring | Mar 11 07:45 |
| schestowitz | and actively working to undermine something | Mar 11 07:45 |
| schestowitz | if Linux was a company, Microsoft would find a way to crush it | Mar 11 07:45 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer said so himself | Mar 11 07:45 |
| schestowitz | out loud | Mar 11 07:45 |
| schestowitz | but they try to map who promotes the competition | Mar 11 07:45 |
| schestowitz | that kills off Microsoft | Mar 11 07:45 |
| Ariadne | last time i checked he does not work for microsoft any longer | Mar 11 07:46 |
| schestowitz | 5000 or so Microsoft layoffs last year | Mar 11 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Check the company's history (I have) | Mar 11 07:46 |
| schestowitz | See what they did to Borland | Mar 11 07:46 |
| schestowitz | they make a list of who to buy off | Mar 11 07:46 |
| schestowitz | and then they can crush people in their "list" | Mar 11 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: there are even worse people at Microsoft | Mar 11 07:46 |
| schestowitz | like those who bossed Ballmer | Mar 11 07:46 |
| Ariadne | how do you 'boss' a chief executive | Mar 11 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer is just not good at presenting | Mar 11 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Board | Mar 11 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Board can fire CEO | Mar 11 07:47 |
| Ariadne | sure | Mar 11 07:47 |
| schestowitz | shareholders pressure the board | Mar 11 07:47 |
| schestowitz | shareholders wanted Ballmer out | Mar 11 07:47 |
| Ariadne | they fired ballmer and installed the person who started maemo | Mar 11 07:47 |
| schestowitz | bettet facade | Mar 11 07:47 |
| Ariadne | so maybe the board wants software freedom | Mar 11 07:47 |
| schestowitz | suits their agenda | Mar 11 07:47 |
| schestowitz | no, the board wants money | Mar 11 07:48 |
| Ariadne | right | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | money comes from taking away freedom | Mar 11 07:48 |
| Ariadne | but they see that software freedom = revenue | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | that's seemingly weird, but it's truee | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | no | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | they see that undermining that freedom from the inside begets control | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | like | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | intrude LF | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | then use that intrusion | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | to divert projects aWAY from freedom | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | e.g. github | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | they did that in ASF | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | techrights.org/2019/04/29/asf-prisoner-of-microsoft/ | Mar 11 07:48 |
| schestowitz | and then grabbed all the project except apacheserver | Mar 11 07:49 |
| schestowitz | moved them to proprietary software | Mar 11 07:49 |
| schestowitz | did the same to python btw | Mar 11 07:49 |
| Ariadne | ? | Mar 11 07:49 |
| schestowitz | and then paid loads of money to van icaza [sic] | Mar 11 07:49 |
| Ariadne | python self-hosts their own git | Mar 11 07:49 |
| schestowitz | to use that for Azure and VS marketing | Mar 11 07:49 |
| Ariadne | er, hg | Mar 11 07:49 |
| schestowitz | lots of python stuff is outsourced to Microsoft and they enter boards | Mar 11 07:50 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Python | Mar 11 07:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Python - Techrights | Mar 11 07:50 | |
| Ariadne | :D | Mar 11 07:52 |
| vmg3 | politics of the net is so much like countries | Mar 11 07:53 |
| vmg3 | damn communist software | Mar 11 07:54 |
| schestowitz | it's not even that analogy first and foremost | Mar 11 07:55 |
| schestowitz | there's a movement to oppress | Mar 11 07:55 |
| schestowitz | and reaction to it | Mar 11 07:55 |
| schestowitz | in the digital realm | Mar 11 07:55 |
| vmg3 | our way is best | Mar 11 07:55 |
| schestowitz | the oppressor looks for ways to thwart that opposition | Mar 11 07:55 |
| schestowitz | "In Guthrie's opposition to fascism, he conceptualized the ideology "as a form of economic exploitation similar to slavery", straightforwardly denouncing the fascists – particularly their leaders – as a group of gangsters" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_machine_kills_fascists | Mar 11 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | This machine kills fascists - Wikipedia | Mar 11 07:55 | |
| vmg3 | send in the spys | Mar 11 07:55 |
| schestowitz | not we have tech gangsters | Mar 11 07:55 |
| schestowitz | IBM, Microsoft | Mar 11 07:55 |
| schestowitz | GOogle also | Mar 11 07:55 |
| schestowitz | they want to get their way | Mar 11 07:55 |
| schestowitz | Google also scatters money everywhere | Mar 11 07:56 |
| schestowitz | with strings attached | Mar 11 07:56 |
| schestowitz | it's about coercion, control | Mar 11 07:56 |
| Ariadne | microsoft has less strings | Mar 11 07:56 |
| schestowitz | so we need to pick sides | Mar 11 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is pro-WIndows | Mar 11 07:56 |
| schestowitz | and that's a problem for us | Mar 11 07:56 |
| schestowitz | it tells us use Windows | Mar 11 07:56 |
| schestowitz | we have an "open source" calculator | Mar 11 07:56 |
| schestowitz | we have telemetry everywhere too... and back doors | Mar 11 07:57 |
| schestowitz | not they seem to be attacking Linux to distract from Exchange blunder | Mar 11 07:57 |
| schestowitz | I see reports about "China... malware... Linux" | Mar 11 07:57 |
| schestowitz | might be an ongoing Googlebombing campaign | Mar 11 07:57 |
| schestowitz | "commie linux is bad... stay with Exchange" | Mar 11 07:57 |
| Ariadne | linux does have worms | Mar 11 07:57 |
| Ariadne | there are worms that even target alpine | Mar 11 07:57 |
| schestowitz | but the timing... | Mar 11 07:57 |
| schestowitz | Exchange blunder is nothing like this | Mar 11 07:58 |
| schestowitz | those worms typically require some tech mistakes to be made | Mar 11 07:58 |
| Ariadne | ok? | Mar 11 07:58 |
| schestowitz | rogue packages, bad passwords... | Mar 11 07:58 |
| Ariadne | i've seen a lot of coverage of the exchange blunder | Mar 11 07:58 |
| Ariadne | i'm not convinced that microsoft is puppeting the media | Mar 11 07:58 |
| vmg3 | they tried to manicure in the begining | Mar 11 07:59 |
| schestowitz | it's not too improbbale | Mar 11 07:59 |
| vmg3 | now it's snowballing | Mar 11 07:59 |
| schestowitz | 瑨灴⼺眯睷琮硵慭档湩獥漮杲港摯⽥㐱㘸ㄷ挣浯敭瑮㈭㔸㠶 | Mar 11 07:59 |
| schestowitz | oops | Mar 11 07:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148671#comment-28568 | Mar 11 07:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Tactics | Tux Machines | Mar 11 07:59 | |
| schestowitz | [07:58] <Ariadne> i'm not convinced that microsoft is puppeting the media\ | Mar 11 07:59 |
| schestowitz | it always does, to some degree | Mar 11 07:59 |
| schestowitz | it has operatives in the meda | Mar 11 07:59 |
| schestowitz | question is, is this one too an example of just a coincidence? | Mar 11 08:00 |
| schestowitz | saying Microsoft (or IBM etc.) doesn't have a grip on the media is crazy... | Mar 11 08:00 |
| Ariadne | influence, sure | Mar 11 08:00 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_PR_Agencies | Mar 11 08:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft PR Agencies - Techrights | Mar 11 08:00 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/AstroTurfing | Mar 11 08:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | AstroTurfing - Techrights | Mar 11 08:00 | |
| schestowitz | influence and grip more of the same | Mar 11 08:00 |
| schestowitz | they can compel publishers to rmove things | Mar 11 08:01 |
| schestowitz | bill gates has already done that to some publishers | Mar 11 08:01 |
| schestowitz | pass money | Mar 11 08:01 |
| schestowitz | and they remove stories about him and microsoft | Mar 11 08:01 |
| schestowitz | example: crosscut | Mar 11 08:01 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Mar 11 08:02 |
| Ariadne | eating is nice | Mar 11 08:02 |
| schestowitz | you can eat without working for Microsoft :-) | Mar 11 08:02 |
| schestowitz | food is not too expensive | Mar 11 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: we have a new Microsoft/EPO leak this week | Mar 11 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I will start publishing today | Mar 11 08:04 |
| schestowitz | It is a big scandal | Mar 11 08:05 |
| schestowitz | It is a 15-part series | Mar 11 08:06 |
| Ariadne | i mean, it does not really matter | Mar 11 08:06 |
| Ariadne | i have specific requirements for accepting a contract | Mar 11 08:06 |
| Ariadne | aka: i get to do whatever the fuck i want on my own time | Mar 11 08:07 |
| schestowitz | But they have control over you | Mar 11 08:07 |
| Ariadne | so that pretty much autokills GAFAM | Mar 11 08:07 |
| schestowitz | through salary | Mar 11 08:07 |
| schestowitz | I will publish evidence of EPO and Microsoft corruption | Mar 11 08:07 |
| schestowitz | starting today | Mar 11 08:08 |
| Ariadne | FOSS leader DistroTube now becoming SPIRITUAL ADVISOR | Mar 11 08:09 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i'm probably going to work for a startup that is in the alpine community that is doing IoT stuff with alpine | Mar 11 08:11 |
| Ariadne | so you do not have to worry :P | Mar 11 08:11 |
| schestowitz | that would be good | Mar 11 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: thanks! | Mar 11 08:12 |
| schestowitz | I appreciate the sincerity | Mar 11 08:12 |
| schestowitz | bear in mind they keep doing this to people around me | Mar 11 08:12 |
| schestowitz | and it later turns out what the true motivations are | Mar 11 08:12 |
| schestowitz | I can think of 3 examples | Mar 11 08:12 |
| schestowitz | 3 people | Mar 11 08:12 |
| Ariadne | microsoft has been offering me a job since before i ever even heard of you | Mar 11 08:12 |
| schestowitz | techrights turns 15 this year | Mar 11 08:13 |
| schestowitz | we're really independent | Mar 11 08:13 |
| schestowitz | and it's essential to remain like that | Mar 11 08:13 |
| Ariadne | and the reason why is because i was doing work with dotGNU and Mono and Debian | Mar 11 08:13 |
| schestowitz | no fear of publishing what's true, on any subject | Mar 11 08:13 |
| schestowitz | EPO/Microsoft leaks start today | Mar 11 08:13 |
| schestowitz | for the next two weeks | Mar 11 08:13 |
| schestowitz | can have a big impact | Mar 11 08:13 |
| Ariadne | so i mean, given that, it makes sense why they would approach me for the job that robbins ultimately took | Mar 11 08:14 |
| schestowitz | robbins never recovered | Mar 11 08:14 |
| schestowitz | people did not view him the same way | Mar 11 08:14 |
| schestowitz | so then came funtoo | Mar 11 08:14 |
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| vmg3 | Verkada breach hits Australia https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-03-11/verkada-hackers-gained-access-to-australian-surveillance-cameras/13237820 | Mar 11 08:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abc.net.au | Hackers say they've gained access to surveillance cameras in Australian childcare centres, schools and aged care - ABC News | Mar 11 08:19 | |
| schestowitz | "hackers" | Mar 11 08:19 |
| schestowitz | must be some very good coders | Mar 11 08:19 |
| schestowitz | but malicious | Mar 11 08:19 |
| vmg3 | buzz words and kids | Mar 11 08:20 |
| schestowitz | crackers | Mar 11 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is not assigning "trolls" to us | Mar 11 08:21 |
| vmg3 | they want to introduce more "laws" to make us safer the Terror words come soon after | Mar 11 08:21 |
| schestowitz | who disclosue they work for Microsoft, e.g. in SN | Mar 11 08:21 |
| schestowitz | to respond to our raspi exclusive stories | Mar 11 08:21 |
| schestowitz | it's us who broke the story | Mar 11 08:21 |
| schestowitz | and they still try to recover from it | Mar 11 08:21 |
| schestowitz | So Microsoft 'employees' "park" on comments | Mar 11 08:21 |
| vmg3 | to big to fail | Mar 11 08:22 |
| schestowitz | My LEDs stopped working for ipfs | Mar 11 08:25 |
| schestowitz | odd | Mar 11 08:25 |
| schestowitz | I will check that later | Mar 11 08:25 |
| schestowitz | we have some big story coming up later in the afternoon | Mar 11 08:25 |
| schestowitz | got some memes ready, too | Mar 11 08:25 |
| vmg3 | you'll keep me up late again :D | Mar 11 08:25 |
| schestowitz | and lots and lots of docs | Mar 11 08:25 |
| schestowitz | vmg3: ah, well, could use your help too | Mar 11 08:25 |
| schestowitz | we need to build a network of people aroudn that stuff | Mar 11 08:25 |
| schestowitz | I'll start posting links in a bit | Mar 11 08:26 |
| schestowitz | when I'm off shift | Mar 11 08:26 |
| vmg3 | I am pumping ipfs add every cid | Mar 11 08:26 |
| vmg3 | just tell me what you want | Mar 11 08:26 |
| vmg3 | most of the people i know think i'm over reacting but not that polite | Mar 11 08:28 |
| Ariadne | [01:14:52] <schestowitz> so then came funtoo | Mar 11 08:29 |
| Ariadne | thats not why funtoo happened | Mar 11 08:29 |
| Ariadne | gentoo community had little respect for robbins prior to MS gig | Mar 11 08:29 |
| schestowitz | aha | Mar 11 08:29 |
| schestowitz | anyway, microsoft vs starvation is a false dichotomy | Mar 11 08:30 |
| schestowitz | you are smart and can pull off your owns startup | Mar 11 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I receive a very small salary, enough for more than just food | Mar 11 08:30 |
| schestowitz | freedom is more valuable | Mar 11 08:30 |
| schestowitz | EPO attacks freedom | Mar 11 08:31 |
| schestowitz | now it uses Microsoft to crush the staff | Mar 11 08:31 |
| schestowitz | and break the law | Mar 11 08:31 |
| schestowitz | pay attention to our upcoming series | Mar 11 08:31 |
| schestowitz | EPO staff is furious | Mar 11 08:31 |
| vmg3 | a real life community will never let someone starve | Mar 11 08:32 |
| vmg3 | freeze maybe | Mar 11 08:32 |
| vmg3 | I cookin back soon | Mar 11 08:35 |
| Ariadne | i'll just sell free software developer bath water on twitter | Mar 11 08:37 |
| Ariadne | thx 4 idea | Mar 11 08:37 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: █▄▄▅▅▅▁▂▃▅▃▃▄▅▅▃▅▁▄▄▅▂▅▅▃▆▆▅▄▃▄▄▁▁ avg(k/sec) 29.81 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▃▁▂▁█▁█▁▁▁▂▂▂▂█▁▂█▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂█▁ avg(k/sec) 55.55▕ swarm size (avg): 135.44 ⟲ | Mar 11 08:38 |
| schestowitz | "Better be ready for a massive DDOS onslaught if you publish ... :-)" | Mar 11 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Source said so | Mar 11 08:40 |
| schestowitz | 20 minutes ago | Mar 11 08:40 |
| schestowitz | I wonder about the timing of all this | Mar 11 08:41 |
| schestowitz | some of the comms is not encrypted | Mar 11 08:41 |
| Ariadne | 'DDOS' | Mar 11 08:41 |
| schestowitz | happend before | Mar 11 08:41 |
| schestowitz | after EPO publications | Mar 11 08:41 |
| Ariadne | the only reason the site goes down is because it is built on crappy technology | Mar 11 08:41 |
| Ariadne | like wordpress | Mar 11 08:42 |
| Ariadne | and drupal | Mar 11 08:42 |
| Ariadne | and mediawiki | Mar 11 08:42 |
| Ariadne | and mysql | Mar 11 08:42 |
| Ariadne | what you should do is convert the site to be built from something like jekyll | Mar 11 08:42 |
| Ariadne | and then it can be all html | Mar 11 08:42 |
| Ariadne | then you can put it in a git repo | Mar 11 08:43 |
| Ariadne | and have numerous mirrors in round robin | Mar 11 08:43 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 11 08:43 |
| schestowitz | thanks for improving performance | Mar 11 08:43 |
| schestowitz | but ddos is still ddos | Mar 11 08:43 |
| schestowitz | whether you can handle it is another question | Mar 11 08:44 |
| schestowitz | when we published lots of croatia stuff the ddos got pretty intense | Mar 11 08:44 |
| Ariadne | the network can handle it | Mar 11 08:44 |
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| Ariadne | also if everything is pre-generated | Mar 11 08:45 |
| Ariadne | having multiple mirrors helps you to have more resilience against ddos attacks | Mar 11 08:46 |
| Ariadne | as you can literally distribute the whole site in ipfs | Mar 11 08:46 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 11 08:48 |
| schestowitz | but logistically we don't yet have that need | Mar 11 08:48 |
| schestowitz | the person who warns of DDOS isn't a crank | Mar 11 08:48 |
| schestowitz | very reliable source | Mar 11 08:48 |
| Ariadne | if there has ever been a ddos it has never been detected by the network monitoring | Mar 11 08:49 |
| Ariadne | so if there is one, please let me know | Mar 11 08:49 |
| Ariadne | i would like to dig into it | Mar 11 08:49 |
| Ariadne | i figure it is just some jackass who figured out that your site is built on crappy php + mysql software | Mar 11 08:50 |
| schestowitz | cheers, Ariadne | Mar 11 08:50 |
| Ariadne | but in the 3 years of hosting techrights, there has never been any noticeable volumetric flood | Mar 11 08:50 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, 15kqps is really not something that needs to be terribly distributed | Mar 11 08:51 |
| schestowitz | it predates that | Mar 11 08:51 |
| schestowitz | tessier can tell... | Mar 11 08:51 |
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| Ariadne | like i said i'm skeptical that techrights has ever been ddosed | Mar 11 08:56 |
| Ariadne | there are websites on my network which frequently receive ddos, related to eSports | Mar 11 08:56 |
| Ariadne | and the network monitoring reliably detects those events | Mar 11 08:56 |
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| Ariadne | i can only comment on the past 3 years though | Mar 11 08:59 |
| Ariadne | perhaps techrights received a volumetric flood in the past. | Mar 11 08:59 |
| techrights-bot | #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/irc-log-100321/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/irc-log-100321/ | Mar 11 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 | Techrights | Mar 11 09:02 | |
| techrights-bot | The machine gun experience https://hugelolcdn.com/v/734530.mp4 | Mar 11 09:03 |
| techrights-bot | #Microsoft #Windows #Containers Privilege Escalation ≈ Packet Storm https://packetstormsecurity.com/files/161734/GS20210310152945.txt | Mar 11 09:03 |
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| techrights-bot | Feels like distraction http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148671#comment-28568 see http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ | Mar 11 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 504 @ https://packetstormsecurity.com/files/161734/GS20210310152945.txt ) | Mar 11 09:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Tactics | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights | Mar 11 09:03 | |
| techrights-bot | #geminiProtocol for lightweight things that don't need a Web browser https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006049.html | Mar 11 09:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [users] Gemini as a local note-taking / personal wiki thing? | Mar 11 09:04 | |
| techrights-bot | #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, March 10, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Mar 11 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Mar 11 09:05 | |
| techrights-bot | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Mar 11 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Mar 11 09:05 | |
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| Ariadne | schestowitz: i need to be precisely clear on how overbuilt the network is | Mar 11 09:07 |
| Ariadne | https://ariadne.space/.well-known/jejune/upload/b87928cd-247d-4099-88b9-6f357fecba54.png | Mar 11 09:09 |
| Ariadne | we have 80gbps of transit and an additional 50gbps of peering | Mar 11 09:09 |
| Ariadne | and we are pushing 150mbps 95th% | Mar 11 09:09 |
| Ariadne | so yes | Mar 11 09:09 |
| Ariadne | if techrights gets 'DDOSed' it will be fine | Mar 11 09:09 |
| Ariadne | assuming they do not exceed 80gbps | Mar 11 09:10 |
| techrights-bot | Pushing #softwarepatents again using the guise of "HEY HI" https://www.worldipreview.com/news/the-do-s-and-don-ts-of-patenting-ai-21125 #swpats #epo #corruption #wipr | Mar 11 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldipreview.com | The do’s and don’ts of patenting AI | Mar 11 09:10 | |
| techrights-bot | #patent #scams for #taxevasion (not a new trick): German Withholding Taxes on Extraterritorial Royalty Payments—Recent Developments https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report-international/german-withholding-taxes-on-extraterritorial-royalty-payments-recent-developments | Mar 11 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.bloombergtax.com | NO TITLE | Mar 11 09:10 | |
| techrights-bot | #samsung brags about #5g #patents from the #epo ... many are #swpats that are not legal https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-extends-leadership-in-5g-patents | Mar 11 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.samsung.com | Samsung Extends Leadership in 5G Patents – Samsung Global Newsroom | Mar 11 09:11 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: sorry, was away | Mar 11 09:12 |
| schestowitz | also did handover at work | Mar 11 09:12 |
| schestowitz | 9am | Mar 11 09:12 |
| schestowitz | [08:59] <Ariadne> perhaps techrights received a volumetric flood in the past. | Mar 11 09:12 |
| schestowitz | 2015 ish and 2009 ish | Mar 11 09:12 |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Mar 11 09:13 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I am overwhelmed by things this morning | Mar 11 09:13 |
| schestowitz | aside from that Microsoft thing | Mar 11 09:13 |
| schestowitz | trying to keep focus, there's also a series we do about patent trolls by proxy | Mar 11 09:13 |
| schestowitz | part 2 later today | Mar 11 09:13 |
| Ariadne | anyway the way to improve techrights resilience at this point is to use more efficient software | Mar 11 09:14 |
| schestowitz | I've not even checked my email yet (no time) | Mar 11 09:14 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I agree | Mar 11 09:14 |
| schestowitz | I was reminded today we need to upgrade | Mar 11 09:14 |
| schestowitz | and move to passwordless logins | Mar 11 09:14 |
| schestowitz | key only | Mar 11 09:14 |
| Ariadne | but i think almost all 'DDOS' events are actually layer 7 attacks | Mar 11 09:14 |
| schestowitz | tessier had us on 2fa, key+password | Mar 11 09:14 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: the ddos against us was in the press, too | Mar 11 09:14 |
| techrights-bot | #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148682 •●• #Google #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:15 | |
| techrights-bot | Why you should have #VPN on your GNU/Linux machine • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148684 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why you should have VPN on your Linux machine | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:15 | |
| Ariadne | anyway there are plans to finish upgrade to 400gbps ring | Mar 11 09:16 |
| techrights-bot | #7Zip 21.0 alpha introduces native Linux support • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148683 | Mar 11 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7-Zip 21.0 alpha introduces native Linux support | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:16 | |
| Ariadne | at which point we will have 400gbps of transit + 410gbps of peering | Mar 11 09:16 |
| Ariadne | but 100g LR optics are expensive | Mar 11 09:16 |
| techrights-bot | Test cases and #freesw license enforcement • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148685 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Test cases and open source license enforcement | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:16 | |
| techrights-bot | #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148686 •●• #Google #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:16 | |
| techrights-bot | #TUXEDOComputers Launches First Linux Gaming Laptops with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3000 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148687 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 09:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO Computers Launches First Linux Gaming Laptops with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3000 | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:17 | |
| techrights-bot | Latest package builds for #PCLinuxOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147392#comment-28570 #gnu #linux | Mar 11 09:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distribution Release: PCLinuxOS 2021.02 | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:27 | |
| techrights-bot | #microsoft is trolling #linux #security https://linuxreviews.org/Microsoft_Proposes_Unprivileged_Chroot_On_Linux | Mar 11 09:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Microsoft Proposes Unprivileged Chroot On Linux - LinuxReviews | Mar 11 09:29 | |
| techrights-bot | Working with the beaker command line | Adam Young’s Web Log ⇨ http://adam.younglogic.com/2021/03/beaker-cli/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/11/#latest | Mar 11 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-adam.younglogic.com | Working with the beaker command line | Adam Young’s Web Log | Mar 11 09:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Mar 11 09:34 | |
| techrights-bot | #raspberrySPY should not be use in a home with kids, it's a spying device https://opensource.com/article/21/3/raspberry-pi-parental-control see http://techrights.org/2021/03/06/raspberry-spy-blunder/ | Mar 11 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Set up network parental controls on a Raspberry Pi | Opensource.com | Mar 11 09:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why the ‘Raspberry Spy’ Blunder is a Lot More Serious and Profound Than the Corporate Media is Willing to Acknowledge | Techrights | Mar 11 09:35 | |
| techrights-bot | Eww. #kodi with malicious #drm https://www.maketecheasier.com/watch-disney-plus-on-kodi/ | Mar 11 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Watch Disney+ on Kodi - Make Tech Easier | Mar 11 09:37 | |
| techrights-bot | #microsoft boosters support centralisation and #monopolisation of Linux trust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28571 #fakesecurity #monopoly | Mar 11 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:40 | |
| techrights-bot | #BSDNow : "Lessons learned from a 27 years old UNIX book, Finally dRAID, Setting up a Signal Proxy using FreeBSD, Annotate your PDF files on OpenBSD, Things You Should Do Now, Just: More unixy than Make, and more" https://www.bsdnow.tv/393 | Mar 11 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 393: ZFS dRAID | Mar 11 09:45 | |
| techrights-bot | #SystemRescue 8.01 is out. https://www.system-rescue.org/ #gnu #linux | Mar 11 09:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.system-rescue.org | SystemRescue - System Rescue Homepage | Mar 11 09:46 | |
| techrights-bot | #MediaGoblin 0.11.0: Punky Magmalian • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148688 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MediaGoblin 0.11.0: Punky Magmalian | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:47 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148689 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:47 | |
| techrights-bot | #youtubedlgui – A Cross-Platform GUI for #youtubedl • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148690 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | youtube-dl-gui – A Cross-Platform GUI for youtube-dl | Tux Machines | Mar 11 09:48 | |
| techrights-bot | I am guessing #linux9to5 will soon write something about the bugfix release that's #SystemRescue 8.01 | Mar 11 09:57 |
| techrights-bot | #LinuxGizmos ought not do puff pieces for #microsoft or its long-loyal base of reader will walk away... #surveilance #espionage #spying | Mar 11 09:58 |
| techrights-bot | It's difficult to fool #freesw and #gnu #linux users. They can see and even smell paid-for fluff from a mile away. And they're opinionated enough to do something about it... | Mar 11 09:59 |
| techrights-bot | #Audiocasts /Shows: #BSDNow , Coder Radio, and The Linux Link Tech Show ( #TLLTS ) • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148691 •●• #GNU #Linux | Mar 11 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: BSDNow, Coder Radio, and The Linux Link Tech Show (TLLTS) | Tux Machines | Mar 11 10:00 | |
| techrights-bot | More #Microsoft #Security Incidents, and Microsoft Lectures Linux on Security • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148692 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Microsoft Security Incidents, and Microsoft Lectures Linux on Security | Tux Machines | Mar 11 10:00 | |
| techrights-bot | #techrights has some very big (and exclusive) stories coming today... | Mar 11 10:01 |
| techrights-bot | How dare vicious corporations hijack #feminism and now claim landslide victory (at the expense of women who fought and died to emancipate themselves from those same corporations, which used them as low-cost/no-cost labour)? | Mar 11 10:03 |
| techrights-bot | #patents were never meant to be granted on life and on nature, but this is what happens when corruption, #lobbying and all sorts of #bribery change the #law https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/ptab-sets-preliminary-motions-in-broad-v-toolgen-interference.html | Mar 11 10:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: PTAB Sets Preliminary Motions in Broad v. ToolGen Interference | Mar 11 10:05 | |
| techrights-bot | "The Register covers compound patents including small and large molecules" Maybe focus on trying to save lives instead of trying to 'save' (enrich) patent monopolies that deny access to medicines https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/news-from-abroad-eurasian-patent-office-launches-its-pharmaceutical-register.html | Mar 11 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: News from Abroad: Eurasian Patent Office Launches Its Pharmaceutical Register | Mar 11 10:06 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #ITWire ☞ #OVHclown data centre in #Strasbourg destroyed in fire https://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/data-centres/ovhcloud-data-centre-in-strasbourg-destroyed-in-fire.html | Mar 11 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - OVHcloud data centre in Strasbourg destroyed in fire | Mar 11 10:22 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #DataCenterDynamics #OVH #clowncomputing #OVHclown ☞ Fire destroys OVHCloud's SBG2 data center in Strasbourg https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/fire-destroys-ovhclouds-sbg2-data-center-strasbourg/ | Mar 11 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datacenterdynamics.com | Fire destroys OVHCloud's SBG2 data center in Strasbourg - DCD | Mar 11 10:23 | |
| schestowitz | > Ouch ! Let's hope they don't succeed. | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > It's your call on whether or not to publish the EPO stuff. | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > For sure it will provoke some kind of backlash both from EPO management | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > and MS. | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway the information is free for you to to use whatever way you see fit. | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > We are hoping that some public figures interested in data protection - | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > such as MEPs like Patrick Breyer or privacy advocates like Max Schrems - | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > might get interested in the case so that it gets some traction in the | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > public domain. | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | (re EPO series we work on) | Mar 11 10:25 |
| schestowitz | >>> Better be ready for a massive DDOS onslaught if you publish ... :-) | Mar 11 10:30 |
| psydroid | let the DDOS get unleashed :) | Mar 11 10:35 |
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| schestowitz | psydroid: well, maybe it's overstated in this case | Mar 11 10:38 |
| schestowitz | time will tell | Mar 11 10:38 |
| schestowitz | in 2015 it got rather horrendous | Mar 11 10:39 |
| schestowitz | in 2008/9 we were down non-stop for days | Mar 11 10:39 |
| schestowitz | I've just passed copies of all the material to another person, an assoc. | Mar 11 10:39 |
| schestowitz | just in case | Mar 11 10:39 |
| psydroid | schestowitz: I read part of your conversation this morning and it looks like Ariadne has a point | Mar 11 10:39 |
| schestowitz | re CMS | Mar 11 10:40 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 11 10:40 |
| schestowitz | I agree | Mar 11 10:40 |
| schestowitz | with gemini for example we could serve half a million reqs a day | Mar 11 10:40 |
| schestowitz | from a home network | Mar 11 10:40 |
| schestowitz | (to spiders) | Mar 11 10:40 |
| psydroid | putting everything on IPFS would also be a good idea apart from many gemini servers across the world (maybe doing both on the same system) | Mar 11 10:41 |
| psydroid | I would do it at least, I am just waiting for some newer hardware to become available | Mar 11 10:42 |
| schestowitz | not enough PINS | Mar 11 10:49 |
| schestowitz | I added some to vmg3 Orange Pi | Mar 11 10:50 |
| schestowitz | but he took that offline | Mar 11 10:50 |
| vmg3 | i added all to my main box | Mar 11 10:50 |
| schestowitz | aha! | Mar 11 10:50 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Mar 11 10:50 |
| schestowitz | anyway, am working on the series primer at the moment | Mar 11 10:51 |
| schestowitz | not much details in it, merely an intro | Mar 11 10:51 |
| vmg3 | waiting patiently | Mar 11 10:52 |
| schestowitz | the 'beef' will coming hours later | Mar 11 10:53 |
| schestowitz | *be coming | Mar 11 10:53 |
| vmg3 | i think the ipfs was too much for the orangepi's small ram i think ive figured out something for gemini for it | Mar 11 10:53 |
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| vmg3 | brb | Mar 11 10:54 |
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| techrights-bot | #EPO and #Microsoft Collude to Break the #Law - Primer • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/epo-and-microsoft-scandal/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/epo-and-microsoft-scandal/ | Mar 11 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Primer | Techrights | Mar 11 11:00 | |
| psydroid | yes, I expect to buy some beefier SBC and put IPFS on that | Mar 11 11:08 |
| psydroid | after a year or two something new will appear and I will upgrade to that while keeping cost down | Mar 11 11:08 |
| techrights-bot | Meme: #EPO Sells Out Its ’Digital Sovereignty’ to #Microsoft • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/nadella-meets-the-president/ •●• #Techrights #privacy #surveillance gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/nadella-meets-the-president/ | Mar 11 11:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meme: EPO Sells Out Its ‘Digital Sovereignty’ to Microsoft | Techrights | Mar 11 11:11 | |
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| schestowitz | psydroid: cool | Mar 11 11:14 |
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| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Futurism #PseudoScience ☞ #Microsoft Retracts Paper Claiming Quantum Computing Breakthrough https://futurism.com/microsoft-retracts-paper-claiming-quantum-computing-breakthrough | Mar 11 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-futurism.com | Microsoft Retracts Paper Claiming Quantum Computing Breakthrough | Mar 11 11:33 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #BBC #PseudoScience ☞ #Microsoft team retracts quantum 'breakthrough https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56328980 | Mar 11 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft-led team retracts quantum 'breakthrough' - BBC News | Mar 11 11:33 | |
| techrights-bot | #billgates : I BRIBE #science publishers to publish for me. http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/lancet-gates-exxon-mobil/ http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/lancet-gates-exxon-mobil/ | Mar 11 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Pays the Lancet Journal — Now Distorts Academic Literature Too | Techrights | Mar 11 11:34 | |
| techrights-bot | #lancet JUST BEFORE being BRIBED by #billgates http://techrights.org/2010/09/07/simon-chapman-on-gates-slim/ | Mar 11 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | World’s Leading Medical Journal (The Lancet) Slams Bill Gates for Supporting Tobacco Industry | Techrights | Mar 11 11:35 | |
| techrights-bot | #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Peter Dutton launches Cyber Security Industry Advisory Committee #Ransomware Paper https://itwire.com/government-tech-policy/peter-dutton-launches-cyber-security-industry-advisory-committee-ransomware-paper.html this kills: http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ | Mar 11 11:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Peter Dutton launches Cyber Security Industry Advisory Committee Ransomware Paper | Mar 11 11:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights | Mar 11 11:38 | |
| psydroid | <techrights-bot "● NEWS ● #Futurism #PseudoScienc"> it's already really damaging to your reputation as an academic institution to have a professor from Microsoft at your university | Mar 11 11:46 |
| psydroid | also this article getting published without any prior peer reviews gives you something to wonder about the journal it was published in | Mar 11 11:46 |
| schestowitz | yup | Mar 11 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft 'research' | Mar 11 11:46 |
| schestowitz | PR stunts | Mar 11 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft bribes professors to recommend Microsoft to students | Mar 11 11:47 |
| schestowitz | it was in the press in the 90s | Mar 11 11:47 |
| schestowitz | hugely unethical company | Mar 11 11:47 |
| schestowitz | corrupts scholars | Mar 11 11:47 |
| schestowitz | muddies the pool | Mar 11 11:47 |
| schestowitz | I saw many things ovet the years | Mar 11 11:48 |
| schestowitz | like what they did to our faculty | Mar 11 11:48 |
| schestowitz | our Debian supercomputer | Mar 11 11:48 |
| schestowitz | back room deal | Mar 11 11:48 |
| schestowitz | I should write about it one day, but I forgot some of the pertinent details | Mar 11 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft = corruption | Mar 11 11:48 |
| schestowitz | everything I saw firsthand confirmed this | Mar 11 11:48 |
| psydroid | the only reason our university's network hasn't gone down in flames is that there are some people who know their stuff and run critical infrastructure on GNU/Linux, mainly Debian | Mar 11 11:49 |
| schestowitz | brb | Mar 11 11:52 |
| techrights-bot | #Microsoft # Windows TCO : #CyberScoop #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Is Congress finally ready to pass meaningful #ransomware legislation? https://www.cyberscoop.com/congress-ransomware-hackers-hospitals-law-2021/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ | Mar 11 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Congress finally ready to pass meaningful ransomware legislation? - CyberScoop | Mar 11 11:56 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CyberScoop #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Spanish labor agency suffers ransomware attack, union says https://www.cyberscoop.com/spain-ransomware-employment-agency-sepe/ | Mar 11 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Spanish labor agency suffers ransomware attack, union says - CyberScoop | Mar 11 11:56 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Federal agencies warn Microsoft vulnerabilities pose 'serious risk' to government, private sector https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/542635-federal-agencies-warn-microsoft-vulnerabilities-pose-serious-risk-to | Mar 11 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal agencies warn Microsoft vulnerabilities pose 'serious risk' to government, private sector | TheHill | Mar 11 11:56 | |
| schestowitz | psydroid: do you have our latest CIDs pinned? | Mar 11 12:07 |
| schestowitz | I've just turned off ipfs at home for a bit | Mar 11 12:07 |
| schestowitz | it was taking up about 4Mbits a second | Mar 11 12:08 |
| schestowitz | and then I could not access the CIDs | Mar 11 12:08 |
| schestowitz | so I think we def. need more pins with quick updates | Mar 11 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: the concern is not just ddos | Mar 11 12:08 |
| schestowitz | remember that sent legal gangsters after me | Mar 11 12:08 |
| schestowitz | several law firms | Mar 11 12:08 |
| schestowitz | there are also financial aspects | Mar 11 12:09 |
| schestowitz | like trying to bribe my boss | Mar 11 12:09 |
| schestowitz | and social engineering aspects | Mar 11 12:09 |
| schestowitz | like sending out trolls to demonise, spy, distract | Mar 11 12:09 |
| schestowitz | the ddos can be a mental one | Mar 11 12:09 |
| schestowitz | inducing fear and 'cold feet' | Mar 11 12:09 |
| schestowitz | "should I publish this thing??" | Mar 11 12:09 |
| schestowitz | "what would happen if..?" | Mar 11 12:10 |
| schestowitz | this series has grown, will have 20 parts just for the text | Mar 11 12:10 |
| schestowitz | plus many videos | Mar 11 12:10 |
| schestowitz | so many 30 in total | Mar 11 12:10 |
| vmg3 | for some reason it's using much more ram my end 4Gig | Mar 11 12:10 |
| schestowitz | and it extends to broader issues, inc. the value of privacy | Mar 11 12:10 |
| schestowitz | and threat of espionage by corporations | Mar 11 12:10 |
| schestowitz | like corporations that figure out who I'm friends with, who bosses me (for my livelihood, my food)... | Mar 11 12:11 |
| schestowitz | vmg3: how much? | Mar 11 12:11 |
| vmg3 | 4 gig | Mar 11 12:11 |
| schestowitz | ipfs takes very little ram | Mar 11 12:11 |
| schestowitz | just 4% of my ram | Mar 11 12:11 |
| vmg3 | well its using it | Mar 11 12:11 |
| schestowitz | cpu and b/w intensive is what it is | Mar 11 12:12 |
| vmg3 | only %7 cpu | Mar 11 12:12 |
| schestowitz | but you can tame b/w | Mar 11 12:12 |
| vmg3 | not concerned at this stage | Mar 11 12:12 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #VOANews #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #Russia Clamps Down on #Twitter https://www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/russia-clamps-down-twitter #Roskomnadzor | Mar 11 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Russia Clamps Down on Twitter | Voice of America - English | Mar 11 12:13 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #NewYorkTimes #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #Russia Says It Is Slowing Access to #Twitter https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/europe/russia-twitter.html | Mar 11 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Russia Says It Is Slowing Access to Twitter - The New York Times | Mar 11 12:13 | |
| schestowitz | vmg3: how many pins in total? | Mar 11 12:14 |
| psydroid | schestowitz: I am not running an IPFS node yet, although I could set my orange pi (4x 1.2 ghz Cortex A53 and 2 GB of RAM) up as one if it would really help and nothing else is available | Mar 11 12:14 |
| schestowitz | we have about 1100 CIDs | Mar 11 12:14 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: yes, that would help | Mar 11 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Vz used to run a node | Mar 11 12:14 |
| schestowitz | then raspi sold us all out | Mar 11 12:14 |
| schestowitz | so it became a netbsd machine | Mar 11 12:14 |
| psydroid | ok, I will only have time to look into this tomorrow late in the afternoon | Mar 11 12:15 |
| vmg3 | 503 | Mar 11 12:15 |
| psydroid | because I have an exam before that and am currently preparing for that | Mar 11 12:15 |
| psydroid | one of the reasons why I never got a raspy | Mar 11 12:16 |
| psydroid | if there is a way for them to abuse you, they will | Mar 11 12:16 |
| schestowitz | vmg3: where? | Mar 11 12:19 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: I can help you set it up | Mar 11 12:19 |
| schestowitz | done it several times before, so not hard for me, takes minutes | Mar 11 12:19 |
| schestowitz | [12:16] <psydroid> if there is a way for them to abuse you, they will | Mar 11 12:20 |
| vmg3 | ipfs pin ls | wc -l it was mostly from that page you posted a couple of hours ago\ | Mar 11 12:20 |
| schestowitz | that's the assumption people must make | Mar 11 12:20 |
| schestowitz | when they decide, for example, to outsource tech | Mar 11 12:20 |
| schestowitz | LF is not trying to centralise and monopolise "trust" | Mar 11 12:20 |
| schestowitz | "can't install that! Google says it's not legit!" | Mar 11 12:20 |
| schestowitz | on your gnu/linux box | Mar 11 12:20 |
| schestowitz | like GOogle Play | Mar 11 12:20 |
| schestowitz | or UEFI 'secure' boot | Mar 11 12:20 |
| schestowitz | LetsEncrypt is anotheer | Mar 11 12:21 |
| schestowitz | people think it's free | Mar 11 12:21 |
| schestowitz | they hand over control to monopolies | Mar 11 12:21 |
| schestowitz | vmg3: ah, makes sense | Mar 11 12:21 |
| schestowitz | I have a script for pinning | Mar 11 12:21 |
| vmg3 | no i used cut | Mar 11 12:21 |
| vmg3 | just dl as txt and cut -f 1-46 | Mar 11 12:22 |
| schestowitz | we git the CIDs also | Mar 11 12:23 |
| vmg3 | will it hurt if i add dups | Mar 11 12:23 |
| vmg3 | it should sort it out | Mar 11 12:23 |
| schestowitz | TRACE_ID=$(sha256sum <(date --utc --iso-8601='s') | cut -d ' ' -f 1) | Mar 11 12:23 |
| schestowitz | repo_path="/home/YOU/ipfs_bot" | Mar 11 12:23 |
| schestowitz | index_path="${repo_path}/txt" | Mar 11 12:23 |
| schestowitz | index_source="http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt" | Mar 11 12:23 |
| schestowitz | logger --id ""${TRACE_ID}" Checking Techrights IPFS index for updates." | Mar 11 12:23 |
| schestowitz | output=$(diff --brief "${index_path}" <(wget -q -O - "${index_source}")) | Mar 11 12:23 |
| schestowitz | if [ -z "${output}" ]; then | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | logger --id ""${TRACE_ID}" Don't need to update repo." | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | else | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | logger --id ""${TRACE_ID}" Need to update repo." | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | logger --id ""${TRACE_ID}" Grabbing new index." | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | wget -q -O "${index_path}" "${index_source}" | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | logger ""${TRACE_ID}" Git operations underway." | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | git -C "${repo_path}" add "${index_path}" | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | git -C "${repo_path}" commit -m "Update index." | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | logger --id ""${TRACE_ID}" Git operations complete." | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | fi | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | sorry for 'bigpaste' | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | others might find that handy | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | we need more 'seeders' | Mar 11 12:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz ""can't install that! Google says"> RPM can hurt your computer. Do you want to keep it? | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | no | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is there too | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | i.e. IBM | Mar 11 12:24 |
| schestowitz | this 'LF" thing | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | it's Google/IBM | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | they're the ones behind it | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Both work for NSA | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | SO I'm thinking.... wait, what if they start strictly enforcing it? | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | It makes gnu/linux like "apps store" | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | that you need to 'jail-break' | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | to install 'untrustworthy' software | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | IBM and Google would love that | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | as would their sponsors in the US regim | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Pentagon | Mar 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Flathab anybody? | Mar 11 12:26 |
| schestowitz | hub | Mar 11 12:26 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linuxtechmore.com/2021/03/megasync-is-live-on-flathub.html | Mar 11 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxtechmore.com | Finally, MEGAsync is live on Flathub! | Mar 11 12:26 | |
| schestowitz | No, can;'t install that! | Mar 11 12:26 |
| schestowitz | DMCA takedown | Mar 11 12:26 |
| schestowitz | "REMOVED!" | Mar 11 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Like github for binaries | Mar 11 12:26 |
| schestowitz | we don't want this crap | Mar 11 12:26 |
| schestowitz | and outsourcing all this power to IBM and GOogle | Mar 11 12:27 |
| schestowitz | just as mjg59 made himself look like a Microsoft goon when he helped outsource booting authority to Wintel/Microsoft | Mar 11 12:27 |
| schestowitz | People didn't forget | Mar 11 12:27 |
| schestowitz | serving digital colonialism and empire | Mar 11 12:28 |
| schestowitz | and embracing fake ethics | Mar 11 12:28 |
| schestowitz | to compensate for the former with the thin layer of the latter | Mar 11 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft co-founder: I whiten the reputation of a man who trafficked thousands of underage girls for sex | Mar 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | and then I whiten my own reputation by bribing the media for "Bill says" pieces | Mar 11 12:29 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #RollingStone #Environment ☞ Will #Covid19 Be a Tipping Point for #Climate Action? https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-one-year-anniversary-climate-change-impact-1139440/ | Mar 11 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Covid-19: How Has the Pandemic Affected the Climate Crisis? - Rolling Stone | Mar 11 12:31 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #HellenicShippingNews #Environment ☞ Stranded Assets a Long-Term Risk for Major #FossilFuel Exporters https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/stranded-assets-a-long-term-risk-for-major-fossil-fuel-exporters/ | Mar 11 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hellenicshippingnews.com | Stranded Assets a Long-Term Risk for Major Fossil Fuel Exporters | Hellenic Shipping News Worldwide | Mar 11 12:31 | |
| psydroid | that's also why only blaming Intel for the misery of x86 hardware's fake security is only half of the story | Mar 11 12:31 |
| psydroid | Intel enabled Microsoft to exert its influence too | Mar 11 12:31 |
| psydroid | so if x86 crumbles and dies, Microsoft will just do exactly the same thing to ARM/RISC-V/POWER etc. | Mar 11 12:32 |
| psydroid | at least that's what they want | Mar 11 12:33 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Newsweek #Environment ☞ Why Two Polar Wonder Women Are Braving the Arctic Winter Alone—Again https://www.newsweek.com/why-first-women-overwinter-alone-harsh-arctic-returned-1574642 | Mar 11 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Why Two Polar Wonder Women Are Braving the Arctic Winter Alone—Again | Mar 11 12:33 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #NewYorkTimes #Environment ☞ Do You Really Need to Fly? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/opinion/business-travel-videoconferencing.html | Mar 11 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | Do You Really Need to Fly? - The New York Times | Mar 11 12:33 | |
| vmg3 | not swimming | Mar 11 12:34 |
| vmg3 | https://mega.nz/C!g9AgkCTB if you're on mega add me | Mar 11 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mega.nz | MEGA | Mar 11 12:35 | |
| techrights-bot | #billgates "having armed guards, 4 jets, 1 helicopter, 1 seaplane, yachts, and blood of his type waiting for him at many of his destinations as if he were a Bond villain" http://techrights.org/2020/08/15/philanthropy-of-bill-and-jeffrey/ | Mar 11 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Former Microsoft Employee Explains the Deception, Lies, and ‘Philanthropy’ of Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights | Mar 11 12:36 | |
| techrights-bot | #billgates is so 'green' that he's the world's biggest polluter with half a dozen jets/planes and yachts. Soooooo green. Says media that he bribed to say this. http://techrights.org/2020/08/15/philanthropy-of-bill-and-jeffrey/ | Mar 11 12:37 |
| schestowitz | [12:32] <psydroid> so if x86 crumbles and dies, Microsoft will just do exactly the same thing to ARM/RISC-V/POWER etc. | Mar 11 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Risv-C already has someone called "Redmond" in charge, IIRC | Mar 11 12:38 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Medium #Politics ☞ #Farright news sources on #Facebook more engaging https://medium.com/@CybersecurityforDemocracy/far-right-news-sources-on-facebook-more-engaging-e04a01efae90 | Mar 11 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Far-right news sources on Facebook more engaging | by Cybersecurity for Democracy | Cybersecurity for Democracy | Mar, 2021 | Medium | Mar 11 12:38 | |
| psydroid | schestowitz: I know, she happens to follow me on Twitter, where I never write or I will probably get banned soon enough | Mar 11 12:39 |
| psydroid | I think she has a history at IBM, don't know about MS | Mar 11 12:40 |
| techrights-bot | Release 1.0 of #MastoGem https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005946.html #mastodon + #geminiprotocol or #geminispace | Mar 11 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [ANN] Release 1.0 of MastoGem | Mar 11 12:41 | |
| schestowitz | psydroid: yes, likely | Mar 11 12:41 |
| schestowitz | didn't say there was a Microsoft connection | Mar 11 12:41 |
| schestowitz | someone just told me he worried about the name | Mar 11 12:42 |
| schestowitz | like it was her fault | Mar 11 12:42 |
| schestowitz | it's not the fault of IBM President he was given a 'racist' surname | Mar 11 12:42 |
| schestowitz | WHITEHurst | Mar 11 12:42 |
| schestowitz | ALLOWHurst | Mar 11 12:42 |
| psydroid | it's an interesting coincidence nonetheless | Mar 11 12:43 |
| psydroid | it was the first thing that went through my mind when hearing the name too | Mar 11 12:44 |
| psydroid | but actions speak louder than words, so we'll have to see what happens with the foundation | Mar 11 12:44 |
| schestowitz | it's dangerous | Mar 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | as it got close to LF | Mar 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | and LF has Microsoft proxies in it | Mar 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Like 'Open'JS | Mar 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | led by marketer from Microsoft | Mar 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | also from Edelman | Mar 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | they're the OpenAtMicrosoft BS artists | Mar 11 12:47 |
| schestowitz | came up with art of bullshit wording to mislead people | Mar 11 12:47 |
| schestowitz | many think GitHub is "open" | Mar 11 12:47 |
| schestowitz | and they use that to bamboozle people | Mar 11 12:47 |
| schestowitz | and kill off perceived threats to Microsocft | Mar 11 12:47 |
| psydroid | all of this makes me wonder why Microsoft is the darling of all of these companies and foundations | Mar 11 12:50 |
| psydroid | they're never created anything remarkable or resilient and infrastructure based on their software crumbles seemingly by itself | Mar 11 12:51 |
| psydroid | if there was real competition the company would have died a thousand times over | Mar 11 12:51 |
| techrights-bot | More #Microsoft Lies and #ProprietarySoftware Blunders • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148693 •●• #TuxMachines | Mar 11 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Microsoft Lies and Proprietary Software Blunders | Tux Machines | Mar 11 12:53 | |
| techrights-bot | #Mozilla : #Firefox ’s Multiple Picture-in-Picture and Latest #WebGPU Developments • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148694 •●• #TuxMachines | Mar 11 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla: Firefox’s Multiple Picture-in-Picture and Latest WebGPU Developments | Tux Machines | Mar 11 12:53 | |
| schestowitz | psydroid: because they operate like a cult | Mar 11 12:53 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/01/30/microsoft-as-a-cult/ | Mar 11 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Like a Cult, According to Former Microsoft Insider | Techrights | Mar 11 12:54 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/08/18/the-gafam-deflection/ | Mar 11 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Toxic Culture at Microsoft | Techrights | Mar 11 12:54 | |
| techrights-bot | #Gemini specification or protocol standardisation nearly finalisation https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005736.html #geminispace #internet | Mar 11 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [spec] List of proposed clarifications | Mar 11 12:55 | |
| techrights-bot | #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148695 •●• #Google #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 12:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 11 12:58 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Mar 11 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Hi Roy, | Mar 11 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Sorry for such a delay in getting back to you. I hope you are well. Work has been busy and I was unwell with Covid-19 for some time. | Mar 11 13:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 11 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Many people I know get it... | Mar 11 13:05 |
| schestowitz | even some colleagues | Mar 11 13:05 |
| schestowitz | the younger ones recover | Mar 11 13:05 |
| schestowitz | still 32 days before the gym reopens | Mar 11 13:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe I can avoid leaving home until then :-) | Mar 11 13:05 |
| schestowitz | breaking some more records | Mar 11 13:05 |
| psydroid | I have an exercise bike here and some weights | Mar 11 13:06 |
| psydroid | it's not like a real gym, but I guess I can manage | Mar 11 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | "I hope this helps," | Mar 11 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | psydroid: manage better than people in a hospital bed | Mar 11 13:08 |
| schestowitz | I have some back issues this morning | Mar 11 13:08 |
| schestowitz | but I mostly overcame those in the pasts hour | Mar 11 13:08 |
| schestowitz | rearranging some things to lower strain | Mar 11 13:08 |
| schestowitz | people didn't move much in the 20th century | Mar 11 13:08 |
| schestowitz | lots of TV and stuff | Mar 11 13:08 |
| schestowitz | now it's even worse | Mar 11 13:08 |
| schestowitz | people don't even go to shops much | Mar 11 13:08 |
| schestowitz | legs barely used | Mar 11 13:08 |
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| techrights-bot | old: Host-key rotation and more in #OpenSSH 6.8 https://lwn.net/Articles/637156/ #ssh | Mar 11 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Host-key rotation and more in OpenSSH 6.8 [LWN.net] | Mar 11 13:29 | |
| techrights-bot | #police #surveillance with cameras turned inwards (but still unfortunately controlled by police departments, unwilling to hold themselves accountable) https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finnish_police_to_launch_body_cam_use_throughout_country/11830091 | Mar 11 13:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Finnish police to launch body cam use throughout country | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi | Mar 11 13:30 | |
| psydroid | I can't find the panel talk at OpenPOWER Summit 2018 or 2019 with the guy from Microsoft Research, but I'm sure I saw him when it was live | Mar 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | ''Open' | Mar 11 13:31 |
| schestowitz | in name | Mar 11 13:31 |
| schestowitz | they had a press release this wek | Mar 11 13:31 |
| schestowitz | openwashing mainframes | Mar 11 13:31 |
| psydroid | I know | Mar 11 13:32 |
| psydroid | I did some assembly programming for POWER last year | Mar 11 13:32 |
| schestowitz | x https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/fireeye-ceo-reckless-microsoft-hack-unusual-for-china/81442703 | Mar 11 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Microsoft: FireEye CEO: Reckless Microsoft hack unusual for China, IT News, ET CIO | Mar 11 13:32 | |
| schestowitz | #QUOTE# divest from M$ right now | Mar 11 13:32 |
| schestowitz | diversions | Mar 11 13:32 |
| schestowitz | blaming others | Mar 11 13:32 |
| schestowitz | not China | Mar 11 13:32 |
| psydroid | but if you have to spend a tonne of money to be able to afford a modern system, what is the point | Mar 11 13:32 |
| schestowitz | same people who badmouthed Ariadne's work | Mar 11 13:32 |
| schestowitz | using xenophobia now | Mar 11 13:32 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ | Mar 11 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights | Mar 11 13:33 | |
| techrights-bot | #FireEye likes to badmouth #gnu #linux and now that #microsoft screws the whole world FireEye is using its same old tactics of China-blaming (not new; Microsoft and FireEye both do this) http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ | Mar 11 13:34 |
| techrights-bot | #sigstore is already "poisoned with javascript; not a good sign for competency" https://sigstore.dev/ LF helps #ibm and #google (NSA enablers) centralise and monopolise trust in "LINUX". Shun this. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28571 | Mar 11 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sigstore.dev | sigstore | Mar 11 13:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 11 13:36 | |
| techrights-bot | old: "A new co-operation between the Roskilde Festival and the voluntary food waste movement Stop Spild Af Mad (Stop Wasting Food) is expected to save 30 tonnes of food from been wasted during the music festival this year." https://cphpost.dk/?p=4127 | Mar 11 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cphpost.dk | Roskilde Festival part of huge food waste initiative - The Post | Mar 11 13:38 | |
| techrights-bot | "Over 1,500 Tibetans and Free Tibet supporters came out on the streets of Trocadero square near the Eiffel Tower in Paris on Wednesday against decades of Chinese atrocities in Tibet as they marked the 62nd anniversary of an uprising against the Chinese rule." https://in.news.yahoo.com/over-1500-tibetans-protest-paris-175429494.html | Mar 11 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-in.news.yahoo.com | Over 1500 Tibetans protest in Paris against decades of Chinese atrocities | Mar 11 13:38 | |
| techrights-bot | #china #tiben #cn #prc https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/chinas-atrocities-in-tibet-are-growing-too-big-to-ignore/2020/12/24/ba9d5c4e-4624-11eb-b0e4-0f182923a025_story.html | Mar 11 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Opinion | China’s atrocities in Tibet are growing too big to ignore - The Washington Post | Mar 11 13:39 | |
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| techrights-bot | Trolling Community Developers of GNU/Linux Via Patent Trolls - Part II: Monopolies, Patents, and Their #GPL Violations • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/gpl-violations-hypocrisy/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/gpl-violations-hypocrisy/ | Mar 11 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trolling Community Developers of GNU/Linux Via Patent Trolls — Part II: Monopolies, Patents, and Their GPL Violations | Techrights | Mar 11 13:44 | |
| techrights-bot | Some people hope to expand #geminiProtocol to do things like 'webforms' (without deviating from specs) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005491.html | Mar 11 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Supporting multi-line input without changing the specification | Mar 11 13:55 | |
| techrights-bot | #Zentyal 4.2 https://www.heise.de/download/product/zentyal-77790 | Mar 11 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heise.de | Zentyal | heise Download | Mar 11 13:55 | |
| techrights-bot | #Zentyal #GNU #Linux reference https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=zentyal | Mar 11 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DistroWatch.com: Zentyal Server | Mar 11 13:55 | |
| techrights-bot | git: malicious repositories can execute remote code while cloning https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2021/03/09/3 #microsoft #windows issue for the most part... | Mar 11 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openwall.com | oss-security - git: malicious repositories can execute remote code while cloning | Mar 11 13:55 | |
| techrights-bot | "Bitcoin is the paperclip machine, eating the world for the sole purpose of making more coin, and while not the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases..." https://chaos.social/@spazzpp2/105865184327818813 | Mar 11 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-👁️🗨️πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ: "RT @mistertodd Bitcoin is the paperclip machine, …" - chaos.social | Mar 11 13:56 | |
| techrights-bot | There’s a scandal brewing at #Europe ’s second-largest institution, the #EPO ; #Techrights will publish the details over the coming fortnight • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/epo-and-microsoft-scandal/ •●• #Microsoft #surveillance gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/epo-and-microsoft-scandal/ | Mar 11 13:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Primer | Techrights | Mar 11 13:58 | |
| techrights-bot | Later today we start a very long series about a scandal long in the making inside the #EPO • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/nadella-meets-the-president/ •●• #Techrights #corruption #microsoft gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/nadella-meets-the-president/ | Mar 11 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meme: EPO Sells Out Its ‘Digital Sovereignty’ to Microsoft | Techrights | Mar 11 13:59 | |
| techrights-bot | The introductory part explained the problem at hand; today we look at one particular aspect of the problem, namely #GPL violations and cover-up • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/gpl-violations-hypocrisy/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/gpl-violations-hypocrisy/ | Mar 11 14:00 |
| techrights-bot | A French Collective Tribune of Experts for #Covid19 #patent Compulsory License - Kluwer Patent Blog ⇨ http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/11/a-french-collective-tribune-of-experts-for-covid-19-compulsory-license/ mention it in #twitter and they will BAN you http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ | Mar 11 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | A French Collective Tribune of Experts for Covid-19 Compulsory License - Kluwer Patent Blog | Mar 11 14:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights | Mar 11 14:02 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #ProPublica #police #blm ☞ Over 700 Complaints About #NYPD Officers Abusing #BlackLivesMatter Protesters, Then Silence https://www.propublica.org/article/over-700-complaints-about-nypd-officers-abusing-protesters-then-silence | Mar 11 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.propublica.org | Over 700 Complaints About NYPD Officers Abusing Black Lives Matter Protesters, Then Silence — ProPublica | Mar 11 14:08 | |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20032418 | Mar 11 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4459270) | Mar 11 15:44 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Mobdro Pirate Streaming: #Police Arrest Suspect, Three Others Questioned https://torrentfreak.com/mobdro-pirate-streaming-police-arrest-suspect-three-others-questioned-210310/ | Mar 11 15:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mobdro Pirate Streaming: Police Arrest Suspect, Three Others Questioned * TorrentFreak | Mar 11 15:59 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #EU High Court: Embedding Protected Images Can Breach Copyright Law https://torrentfreak.com/eu-high-court-embedding-protected-images-can-breach-copyright-law-210310/ | Mar 11 16:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU High Court: Embedding Protected Images Can Breach Copyright Law * TorrentFreak | Mar 11 16:00 | |
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| Old_Man | My spreadsheet is showing that my state is administering *effective* vaccines to 0.31% of the population per day this week. So we should have 75% of the state innoculated *effectively*, and hopefully reach herd immunity, by a projected date of September 4. | Mar 11 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | Old_Man: assuming they convice that many to take it | Mar 11 16:17 |
| schestowitz | depends on state | Mar 11 16:17 |
| schestowitz | surveys I saw last year said, less than 50% were planning to get the jabs | Mar 11 16:18 |
| Old_Man | This will be something of an IQ test, won't it. :D | Mar 11 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes, depends which jab and when | Mar 11 16:18 |
| schestowitz | I wait for more testing and iterations | Mar 11 16:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm in no rush | Mar 11 16:18 |
| schestowitz | we already saw them studying from some mistakes | Mar 11 16:18 |
| schestowitz | e.g. administering to people "too old" | Mar 11 16:19 |
| techrights-bot | EPO Management Could Really Use a Distraction From the #Microsoft Blunder and Data Protection Crimes • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/another-epo-distraction/ •●• #EPO #europe #patents #surveillance gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/another-epo-distraction/ | Mar 11 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Could Really Use a Distraction From the Microsoft Blunder and Data Protection Crimes | Techrights | Mar 11 16:19 | |
| schestowitz | Old_Man: it's like a rolling distro | Mar 11 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I wait for an LTS | Mar 11 16:19 |
| schestowitz | while lobbying against patent monopolies on these vaccines | Mar 11 16:19 |
| schestowitz | 'lobbying' | Mar 11 16:19 |
| Old_Man | Yep, and even though I'm somewhat conservative with my distros, I was ready to hop on the bleeding edge with the vaccine. :) | Mar 11 16:19 |
| schestowitz | They slow down distribution | Mar 11 16:20 |
| Old_Man | I kept a health diary for a few weeks afterward so my family and coworkers could see what effect it had on me. | Mar 11 16:20 |
| schestowitz | and cost the population far too much, maybe 100x production cost | Mar 11 16:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe because you are Old_Man | Mar 11 16:20 |
| schestowitz | I'm in my 30s | Mar 11 16:20 |
| Old_Man | No, it's because I'm a huge fan of science. | Mar 11 16:20 |
| schestowitz | I also don't leave the house much this year | Mar 11 16:20 |
| schestowitz | so I don't pose risk to others at this poibnt | Mar 11 16:20 |
| Old_Man | If I had turned out to be some weird corner case and I dropped dead from the vaccine, well, that would mean people could study me and learn from me. | Mar 11 16:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm trying to figure out ways to cut my salt intake 30-40%. | Mar 11 16:21 |
| Old_Man | Carve that shit on my headstone. :D | Mar 11 16:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that I can hopefully get this blood pressure under control. | Mar 11 16:21 |
| schestowitz | i c... | Mar 11 16:21 |
| schestowitz | I'm pro-science | Mar 11 16:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In a way I admire the doctor who gets after you to cut the salt. | Mar 11 16:21 |
| Old_Man | Tell everybody I died for science. I would consider it a great honor. | Mar 11 16:21 |
| schestowitz | and I know it takes a while to do clinical trials | Mar 11 16:21 |
| schestowitz | these are the biggest ever clinical trials | Mar 11 16:21 |
| schestowitz | and if they go wrong, the cost will be high | Mar 11 16:21 |
| schestowitz | not that they care | Mar 11 16:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In other ways, it seems bad of them to not prescribe blood pressure meds and say "Go to the ER if your bp gets way too high.". | Mar 11 16:22 |
| schestowitz | because "EMERGENCY" | Mar 11 16:22 |
| schestowitz | "THE ECONOMY!!!" | Mar 11 16:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's only so much sodium you can sneak out of the diet before food starts tasting like cardboard. | Mar 11 16:22 |
| Old_Man | Nah, they did clinical trials before they opened it up to the public. | Mar 11 16:22 |
| schestowitz | very short | Mar 11 16:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If reduced sodium tasted the same there probably wouldn't be two versions of the product. | Mar 11 16:23 |
| Old_Man | I see people spreading fake news all the time, about how the vaccine is "untested." It's not. It's well-tested. | Mar 11 16:23 |
| schestowitz | some in FDA even vetoed it | Mar 11 16:23 |
| schestowitz | (Pfiezer | Mar 11 16:23 |
| schestowitz | *ier | Mar 11 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Pfeizer | Mar 11 16:23 |
| Old_Man | Pfizer. :) | Mar 11 16:23 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer#Lawsuits | Mar 11 16:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pfizer - Wikipedia | Mar 11 16:24 | |
| Old_Man | And it gets better-tested every day. My state is jabbing 0.31% of its population every day. | Mar 11 16:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Every company gets sued. | Mar 11 16:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People are litigious, schestowitz | Mar 11 16:24 |
| schestowitz | yes, btu this one is worse off | Mar 11 16:24 |
| schestowitz | historically | Mar 11 16:24 |
| schestowitz | compare to others | Mar 11 16:24 |
| schestowitz | J&J also got dued | Mar 11 16:24 |
| schestowitz | sued | Mar 11 16:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw a bus hit someone and someone else screamed "STAY DOWN! YOU CAN SUE THEM!". | Mar 11 16:25 |
| schestowitz | but it's not lying about efficacy for marketing purposes | Mar 11 16:25 |
| Old_Man | The cool thing about science is, it doesn't care about laws or lawsuits. | Mar 11 16:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, it didn't hit them hard. Just knocked the guy off his feet. | Mar 11 16:25 |
| schestowitz | we still have choices | Mar 11 16:25 |
| schestowitz | there's no "the vaccine" | Mar 11 16:25 |
| Old_Man | If something works in the real world, you can't pass a law against it working, or sue it to make it stop working. | Mar 11 16:25 |
| schestowitz | there are several | Mar 11 16:25 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 11 16:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Being the target of a lawsuit doesn't mean you did anything wrong. | Mar 11 16:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just way too easy to sue people. | Mar 11 16:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trial lawyers like it. | Mar 11 16:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Health insurance company Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) filed a lawsuit against Pfizer" | Mar 11 16:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | JERRY JERRY JERRY!!!! | Mar 11 16:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Mandy went into the HR office and showed them his vaccine card. | Mar 11 16:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he gets a mulligan on the days off, and they pay him. | Mar 11 16:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Could have done it the first time and didn't, I suppose. | Mar 11 16:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The benefit says you can take 3 days off after each dose. | Mar 11 16:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I don't like abusing policies like that. He was only feeling bad after the second one. | Mar 11 16:31 |
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| XRevan86 | https://i.imgur.com/F0sI8Uv.jpg | Mar 11 16:39 |
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| techrights-bot | #EPO and #Microsoft Collude to Break the #Law - Part I (Intro): A Fresh #DataProtection Scandal Brewing at the EPO? • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-1/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-1/ | Mar 11 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part I (Intro): A Fresh Data Protection Scandal Brewing at the EPO? | Techrights | Mar 11 16:47 | |
| schestowitz | [16:31] <DaemonFC[m]> But I don't like abusing policies like that. He was only feeling bad after the second one. | Mar 11 16:48 |
| schestowitz | only among you two | Mar 11 16:48 |
| schestowitz | family members of mine were ill for 1-3 days | Mar 11 16:48 |
| schestowitz | not strangers | Mar 11 16:48 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: lol | Mar 11 16:51 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/F0sI8Uv.jpg | Mar 11 16:52 |
| MinceR | oops, not here :P | Mar 11 16:52 |
| techrights-bot | #Firefox 86.0.1 Released to Fix Frequent GNU/Linux Crash on Browser Launch, Other Bugs • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148696 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 16:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 86.0.1 Released to Fix Frequent Linux Crash on Browser Launch, Other Bugs | Tux Machines | Mar 11 16:52 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "only among you two"> Yes, I do agree with Walmart here about taking a light hand with the attendance policy after the first and second doses, even though the second one is worse, and for many people, the only one with significant side effects. | Mar 11 17:01 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: on point | Mar 11 17:01 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/07/13/buzzwords-confronted/ | Mar 11 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | There’s No Such Thing as Cloud Computing, Serverless and All That Other Nonsense | Techrights | Mar 11 17:01 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: you are now serverless | Mar 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | congrats | Mar 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | you are at the cutting edge of tech | Mar 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | what does AWS call that project with rocket or fire in it?\ | Mar 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I think they have code names with both | Mar 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | but I forget | Mar 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | firestarter might be one | Mar 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | not kind;e | Mar 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | that's another fiery one | Mar 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | "kindle" | Mar 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Amazon_products_and_services | Mar 11 17:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of Amazon products and services - Wikipedia | Mar 11 17:04 | |
| schestowitz | Amazon Fire TV | Mar 11 17:05 |
| schestowitz | any fan issues? :-) | Mar 11 17:05 |
| schestowitz | wikipedia is a corporate catalogue | Mar 11 17:05 |
| schestowitz | what shambles | Mar 11 17:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you read a new article for typos? | Mar 11 17:06 |
| techrights-bot | #System76 Unveils Thelio Mira GNU/Linux PC with AMD #Ryzen CPUs and NVIDIA Graphics • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148697 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 Unveils Thelio Mira Linux PC with AMD Ryzen CPUs and NVIDIA Graphics | Tux Machines | Mar 11 17:08 | |
| techrights-bot | #HowTo Create Symbolic or soft Link in Linux? • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148698 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Create Symbolic or soft Link in Linux? | Tux Machines | Mar 11 17:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "DaemonFC: can you read a new art"> yeah | Mar 11 17:18 |
| techrights-bot | Fake Security From #LinuxFoundation and the Monopolies It’s Fronting for • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Mar 11 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies It’s Fronting for | Techrights | Mar 11 17:18 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: ^^ | Mar 11 17:18 |
| schestowitz | just posted | Mar 11 17:18 |
| schestowitz | may have typos | Mar 11 17:18 |
| techrights-bot | Through #pentagon connected and funded corporations (and their front groups that have a share of that money 'trickle down' to them) the #nsa has swallowed/captured far too much of the software and hardware 'supply chain' http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation#March_2021 | Mar 11 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights | Mar 11 17:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks okay. | Mar 11 17:23 |
| techrights-bot | When a company has a divion called $Company "Research" it's a tax-evading mechanism and effectively another #marketing department, leveraging the "white coat"-type PR tactics, painting propaganda as a "Science" | Mar 11 17:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: cheers | Mar 11 17:23 |
| techrights-bot | Today in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148699 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Mar 11 17:30 | |
| techrights-bot | #EPO and #Microsoft Collude to Break the Law -- Part II will be published tomorrow morning in #techrights (about 20 parts in total just for text, plus a dozen videos to come) | Mar 11 17:33 |
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| techrights-bot | IAM is spreading #UPC lies. It's paid by the corrupt #EPO to spread such lies. https://www.iam-media.com/look-the-future-of-international-ip-arbitration | Mar 11 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | A Look to the Future of International IP Arbitration | IAM | Mar 11 17:37 | |
| techrights-bot | #monopolies on #coffee (which grows in nature) so you can grossly overcharge people for it while barely paying a dime to farmers https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qxgf7xkyz87q/coffee-brands-show-how-ip-strategies-can-grind-to-a-halt | Mar 11 17:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Coffee brands show how IP strategies can grind to a halt | Managing Intellectual Property | Mar 11 17:40 | |
| techrights-bot | This video ‘prelude’ or ‘interlude’ speaks about the importance of privacy and why it’s a pretty big deal that #EPO management funnels tons of personal data to a company with a longtime record of criminality • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/another-epo-distraction/ •●• #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/another-epo-distraction/ | Mar 11 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Could Really Use a Distraction From the Microsoft Blunder and Data Protection Crimes | Techrights | Mar 11 17:42 | |
| techrights-bot | “In the real world outside of the #EPO “bubble”, exposure of the illicit use of such techniques generally causes a political backlash and can even lead to the fall of governments.” • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-1/ •●• #Techrights #Microsoft #Europe #corruption gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/epoleaks-report-marc | Mar 11 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part I (Intro): A Fresh Data Protection Scandal Brewing at the EPO? | Techrights | Mar 11 17:43 | |
| techrights-bot | #LinuxFoundation as a front group (of #IBM and others) is once again falsely marketing as ‘security’ something which in practice gives more control to a handful of #monopolies that spy on people and steal people’s personal data (that in itself is a security breach) • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux gemi | Mar 11 17:43 |
| techrights-bot | Probably just increasingly faking who's involved with a patent just to game the numbers and make claims to more contributions in the patent sense (same in academia) https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/continued-growth-inventors.html | Mar 11 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Continued growth in the number of inventors per patent. | Mar 11 17:45 | |
| techrights-bot | This part about the UPC is a distortion and a lie: "The #EU is in the process of revamping its patent system with the unitary patent (UP) and the Unified Patent Court (UPC)" (no, #UPC is dead) https://www.iam-media.com/arbitrability-of-ip-disputes | Mar 11 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Arbitrability of IP Disputes | IAM | Mar 11 17:48 | |
| techrights-bot | #patents / #cartels or conspiracies against public interest facilitated by #patent and #secrecy #law https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qxfy2p4ltwls/why-confidentiality-clubs-may-allow-full-frand-disclosure | Mar 11 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Why confidentiality clubs may allow full FRAND disclosure | Managing Intellectual Property | Mar 11 17:49 | |
| techrights-bot | No matter where you are, #covid19 vaccines are NOT free. To make matters worse, they charge about 100x the production costs (blame #patent monopolies), buy in bulk with secret agreements, and #twitter BANS you for condemning this http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ | Mar 11 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights | Mar 11 17:52 | |
| techrights-bot | Public interest groups are not compatible with the business model of #twitter and other #socialcontrolmedia sites http://techrights.org/2021/02/04/twitter-berserk/ | Mar 11 17:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter: We Suspend Your Account For Quoting the Media About Bill Gates | Techrights | Mar 11 17:53 | |
| techrights-bot | "Rather, US courts have largely refused to allow parallel proceedings or filings in foreign jurisdictions to impact their decision-making at home." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/international-patent-supreme.html | Mar 11 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | International Patent Law at the Supreme Court | Patently-O | Mar 11 17:54 | |
| techrights-bot | #patent #thinktank sites promote the FRAUD which is "FRAND" https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qxf4cdbjhwgy/a-hitchhikers-guide-to-willingness-in-frand see http://techrights.org/2020/07/10/frand-sep-scam/ | Mar 11 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | A (hitchhiker’s) guide to willingness in FRAND | Managing Intellectual Property | Mar 11 17:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European FRAND (Related to SEP) Proponent and Famed Programmer Comes to Realise That It’s Actually a “Scam” | Techrights | Mar 11 17:56 | |
| techrights-bot | FOSS Patents: Brainstorming: how do we get out of this quagmire of extraterritorial #patent rulings and multi- #antisuit #injunctions h ⇨ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/brainstorming-how-do-we-get-out-of-this.html •●• #fosspatents | Mar 11 17:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Brainstorming: how do we get out of this quagmire of extraterritorial patent rulings and multi-antisuit injunctions? | Mar 11 17:57 | |
| techrights-bot | Justice? Science? Innovation? No. It's all about money to these people, money derived from monopolies and robber barons. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qx71q93nwbx8/patent-budget-rises-provide-opportunity-for-outside-counsel #patent #patents | Mar 11 17:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Patent budget rises provide opportunity for outside counsel | Managing Intellectual Property | Mar 11 17:57 | |
| techrights-bot | #Linux #Gaming Old School - Terminal Based Games on Linux - Putorius ⇨ https://www.putorius.net/linux-games-old-school-style.html •●• #putorius | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/11/#latest | Mar 11 17:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.putorius.net | Linux Gaming Old School - Terminal Based Games on Linux - Putorius | Mar 11 17:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Mar 11 17:58 | |
| techrights-bot | Open-Source #Radeon Driver Performance Against #NVIDIA Linux Gaming For March 2021 - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gaming-march-2021&num=1 •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | Mar 11 17:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Open-Source Radeon Driver Performance Against NVIDIA Linux Gaming For March 2021 - Phoronix | Mar 11 17:59 | |
| techrights-bot | Supporting a company that sells PCs ONLY with #gnu #linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148697#comment-28573 | Mar 11 18:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 Unveils Thelio Mira Linux PC with AMD Ryzen CPUs and NVIDIA Graphics | Tux Machines | Mar 11 18:03 | |
| techrights-bot | Another option from another company that only preloads with #gnu #linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148687#comment-28574 | Mar 11 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO Computers Launches First Linux Gaming Laptops with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3000 | Tux Machines | Mar 11 18:05 | |
| techrights-bot | "Linux version landing in December 2020 with the latest free upgrade out now." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/wasteland-3-gets-a-permadeath-mode-and-skill-respec-in-the-1-3-3-update •●• #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games #Gaming | Mar 11 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wasteland 3 gets a permadeath mode and skill respec in the 1.3.3 update | GamingOnLinux | Mar 11 18:06 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yea, that I am. | Mar 11 18:06 |
| techrights-bot | "Out now with #GNU #Linux support, it's actually a port of the very popular mobile version with several enhancements for the PC." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/chilled-out-first-person-puzzler-faraway-directors-cut-is-out-no | Mar 11 18:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chilled-out first-person puzzler Faraway: Director's Cut is out now | GamingOnLinux | Mar 11 18:08 | |
| techrights-bot | "Something to note as well is that the developer mentions it "contains references to thematic elements such as racism, homophobia, mental illness, murder and suicide" so keep that in mind." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/if-on-a-winters-night-four-travelers-probably-the-best-free-game-you-will-find-today | Mar 11 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If On A Winter's Night, Four Travelers - probably the best free game you will find today | GamingOnLinux | Mar 11 18:09 | |
| techrights-bot | Goodbye, #proprietarySofwtare ... and #goodRiddance https://boilingsteam.com/how-to-bridge-discord-in-matrix/ | Mar 11 18:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | How to Leave Discord for Matrix Without Losing Friends - Boiling Steam | Mar 11 18:13 | |
| techrights-bot | Using #ibm vendor lockin at home https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/ansible-automate-updates-home #ansible #redhat | Mar 11 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | How I used Ansible to automate updates at home | Enable Sysadmin | Mar 11 18:14 | |
| techrights-bot | Your server is fine, the software is fine, but site blocked because of outsourced "Trust" https://bkhome.org/news/202103/puppylinuxcom-certificate-issues.html | Mar 11 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | puppylinux.com certificate issues | Mar 11 18:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | My body is definitely not happy about scaling back the caffeine, but at least I don't feel like I'm about to explode. | Mar 11 18:19 |
| techrights-bot | "Due to certificate issues" https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/puppy-71/puppylinux-main-forum-having-issues-4175691857/ heard it so many times; and sometimes it's not even about #security at all http://techrights.org/2020/03/04/lets-ask-lets-encrypt/ | Mar 11 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Puppylinux main forum having issues | Mar 11 18:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Urges Readers to Ask the Linux Foundation’s Let’s Encrypt (Backed by Companies That Give the NSA Back Doors) Some Hard But Legitimate Questions | Techrights | Mar 11 18:19 | |
| techrights-bot | #Ubuntu Podcast from the #UK LoCo: S14E01 – Navy Chefs Remit https://ubuntupodcast.org/2021/03/11/s14e01-navy-chefs-remit/ | Mar 11 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntupodcast.org | S14E01 – Navy Chefs Remit | Ubuntu Podcast | Mar 11 18:21 | |
| techrights-bot | Way to distract from what happened to #Microsoft Exchange http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148671#comment-28575 out of support, end of life, just #googlebomb "LINUX" "CHINA" and "MALWARE" http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ | Mar 11 18:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Tactics | Tux Machines | Mar 11 18:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights | Mar 11 18:24 | |
| techrights-bot | Now #Microsoft boosters join the FUD, blaming on "Linux" systems that are simply not patched. Way to distract from what happened to Microsoft. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148671#comment-28576 #MicrosoftLovesLinux FUD. | Mar 11 18:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Tactics | Tux Machines | Mar 11 18:27 | |
| techrights-bot | #KDEneon 20210311 is out. #kde #gnu #linux https://neon.kde.org/ | Mar 11 18:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon | Mar 11 18:27 | |
| techrights-bot | #LinuxFoundation PR/media partner #TechRepublic the latest to promote #fakesecurity http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28577 http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ | Mar 11 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 11 18:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies It’s Fronting for | Techrights | Mar 11 18:30 | |
| techrights-bot | Too many #microsoft shills have had their eyes lit up by money and ears shut to facts, information, morality | Mar 11 18:31 |
| techrights-bot | They seem to have forgotten and overlooked Microsoft's vastly worse #monopoly abuses. #Microsoft #lobbying in action (via proxies, as it did in EU)? https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/220561 | Mar 11 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.appleinsider.com | Australian antitrust regulator examines Apple, Google web browser dominance - General Discussion Discussions on AppleInsider Forums | Mar 11 18:32 | |
| techrights-bot | Do not connect #proprietarysoftware to an Internet network https://www.maketecheasier.com/verkada-security-firm-cameras-hacked-includes-tesla/ | Mar 11 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Verkada Security Firm Cameras Hacked, Includes Tesla - Make Tech Easier | Mar 11 18:35 | |
| techrights-bot | #WordPress 5.7 “Esperanza” Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148637#comment-28580 #cms #gpl #freesw #www | Mar 11 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 5.7 “Esperanza” | Tux Machines | Mar 11 18:39 | |
| techrights-bot | PicoSDR - A #RaspberryPi Pico powered SDR working with GNU Radio ⇨ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/11/picosdr-a-raspberry-pi-pico-powered-sdr-based-on-gnu-radio/ •●• #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware http://techrights.org/2021/03/06/liberating-raspberry-spy/ | Mar 11 18:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | PicoSDR - A Raspberry Pi Pico powered SDR working with GNU Radio | Mar 11 18:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How To Deal With Your Raspberry Spy — Part IV: Doing The Task | Techrights | Mar 11 18:42 | |
| techrights-bot | #Games : Retro, Free/Libre #Radeon Driver Performance Against NVIDIA GNU/Linux Gaming, and New Titles • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148700 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Retro, Free/Libre Radeon Driver Performance Against NVIDIA GNU/Linux Gaming, and New Titles | Tux Machines | Mar 11 18:49 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148701 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 11 18:49 | |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: so should lunatix truly become a thing? | Mar 11 18:55 |
| CrystalMath | do you think it would attract developers, get people to actually work on it? | Mar 11 18:55 |
| CrystalMath | maybe i should ask suckless.org people | Mar 11 18:56 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 11 18:56 |
| MinceR | in this insane society, i have no idea how (or even if) something worthwhile can be made successful | Mar 11 18:56 |
| CrystalMath | together, we call can take back linux | Mar 11 18:57 |
| CrystalMath | *we all | Mar 11 18:57 |
| psydroid | I don't care about linux anymore | Mar 11 18:57 |
| CrystalMath | BSD now? | Mar 11 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Linux is bloated | Mar 11 18:57 |
| psydroid | I use it and that's all | Mar 11 18:57 |
| CrystalMath | psydroid: that's the root of the problem | Mar 11 18:58 |
| CrystalMath | no pun intended | Mar 11 18:58 |
| schestowitz | removing floppy support and stuff isn't the answer | Mar 11 18:58 |
| CrystalMath | of course it isn't, i still use floppies | Mar 11 18:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/22/linux-bloat-meme/ | Mar 11 18:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Linux is Becoming a Code ‘Burial Ground’, Sometimes at the Expense of Size and Complexity (Bloat) | Techrights | Mar 11 18:58 | |
| CrystalMath | lunatix will instead change policies more than code, but also code as a result of the changed policies | Mar 11 18:58 |
| schestowitz | not they even make it bloated with Microsoft patent traps | Mar 11 18:58 |
| schestowitz | things nobody should use | Mar 11 18:59 |
| psydroid | I don't care much about BSD either, but I've replaced Debian with OpenBSD on a few of my machines | Mar 11 18:59 |
| schestowitz | like microsoft file systems that pose a security risk | Mar 11 18:59 |
| schestowitz | and legal land mines | Mar 11 18:59 |
| CrystalMath | NTFS? | Mar 11 18:59 |
| psydroid | to get some sanity back at least temporarily | Mar 11 18:59 |
| CrystalMath | i don't have support for that in 4.4 :P | Mar 11 18:59 |
| schestowitz | gemini shows where linux can go | Mar 11 18:59 |
| psydroid | NTFS ate my files | Mar 11 18:59 |
| schestowitz | you identify what you need | Mar 11 18:59 |
| schestowitz | gemini works on lots and lots of platforms | Mar 11 18:59 |
| schestowitz | with old computers, little in the stack | Mar 11 18:59 |
| schestowitz | tls poses some issues | Mar 11 19:00 |
| psydroid | and that prompted me to never use Windows for anything serious again | Mar 11 19:00 |
| schestowitz | so some suggested a parallel spec for gemini without tls | Mar 11 19:00 |
| schestowitz | but it causes issues, so they say use gopher | Mar 11 19:00 |
| psydroid | because it isn't a serious computing platform itself | Mar 11 19:00 |
| schestowitz | it never was | Mar 11 19:00 |
| schestowitz | it was mass 'marketed' | Mar 11 19:00 |
| schestowitz | by crimes at times | Mar 11 19:00 |
| CrystalMath | screw windows, and screw linux too, use LUNATIX :P | Mar 11 19:00 |
| schestowitz | so people were led to assume it must be "good" | Mar 11 19:01 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: you also suggested "sexRights" | Mar 11 19:01 |
| CrystalMath | that was actually your joke | Mar 11 19:01 |
| schestowitz | LUNARIX | Mar 11 19:01 |
| CrystalMath | i just thought it was funny | Mar 11 19:01 |
| psydroid | I migrated to GNU/Linux from 2000 till 2002 | Mar 11 19:01 |
| schestowitz | A Linux for each moon | Mar 11 19:01 |
| schestowitz | for some devices we do not need Linux | Mar 11 19:02 |
| schestowitz | for some devices we do not need Internet | Mar 11 19:02 |
| schestowitz | for some devices we do not need computers | Mar 11 19:02 |
| schestowitz | ex: | Mar 11 19:02 |
| CrystalMath | remember, you said "this is techrights, not sexrights" | Mar 11 19:02 |
| schestowitz | 1. clocks | Mar 11 19:02 |
| schestowitz | 2. cctv | Mar 11 19:02 |
| schestowitz | 3. ovens | Mar 11 19:02 |
| CrystalMath | agreed 100% | Mar 11 19:02 |
| CrystalMath | i like analog TV too :) | Mar 11 19:02 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: trolls try to undermine the channel by interjecting sex into it | Mar 11 19:02 |
| schestowitz | it puts off some women who lurk here, online or offline (logs) | Mar 11 19:03 |
| schestowitz | it also throws us off meaningful debates | Mar 11 19:03 |
| schestowitz | that can lead to helpful articles | Mar 11 19:03 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: it works | Mar 11 19:03 |
| schestowitz | for more than 5 years | Mar 11 19:03 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: You keep complaining that people criticise rapists | Mar 11 19:03 |
| schestowitz | cathode ray tubes can last even 20 years sometimes | Mar 11 19:03 |
| CrystalMath | i love CRTs <3 | Mar 11 19:03 |
| mjg59 | And then complain that people criticise you for complaining that people criticise rapists | Mar 11 19:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ | Mar 11 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights | Mar 11 19:04 | |
| mjg59 | That's not about sex | Mar 11 19:04 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: I had one with a PC | Mar 11 19:04 |
| schestowitz | we threw it out last year | Mar 11 19:04 |
| schestowitz | as it had stopped working a few years back | Mar 11 19:04 |
| schestowitz | I could not bring it back to life | Mar 11 19:04 |
| CrystalMath | :( | Mar 11 19:04 |
| MinceR | "this is not about money. this is about POWER!" | Mar 11 19:04 |
| schestowitz | It's on the right side here: http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Late-December/Tree-at-Home/xmas-tree-home-1 | Mar 11 19:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | xmas-tree-home-1 | Mar 11 19:05 | |
| schestowitz | Old Dell | Mar 11 19:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: money and power are connected | Mar 11 19:05 |
| schestowitz | and they corrupt people | Mar 11 19:05 |
| schestowitz | can turn them against neighbours and family | Mar 11 19:05 |
| MinceR | tell that to the script writers of predator 2 :> | Mar 11 19:05 |
| schestowitz | we need a society that shames greed | Mar 11 19:05 |
| schestowitz | where people who are greedy hide it | Mar 11 19:06 |
| schestowitz | and take cover | Mar 11 19:06 |
| schestowitz | like we treat sociopaths | Mar 11 19:06 |
| CrystalMath | RIP sweet Dell monitor | Mar 11 19:06 |
| schestowitz | the money is in oppression | Mar 11 19:06 |
| schestowitz | war, spying etc. | Mar 11 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Those who participate share the loot | Mar 11 19:06 |
| schestowitz | those who antagonise them become their targets | Mar 11 19:06 |
| MinceR | that's not how we treat sociopaths either | Mar 11 19:06 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: it was just picking up dust | Mar 11 19:06 |
| MinceR | we give them positions of power and tons of resources | Mar 11 19:07 |
| schestowitz | we had the council collect it when the washing machine broke down, 2 in 1~ | Mar 11 19:07 |
| MinceR | heading governments, megacorporations and cults | Mar 11 19:07 |
| schestowitz | it was about 25kg | Mar 11 19:07 |
| schestowitz | the screen, not the washing machine | Mar 11 19:07 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: the stereo here still works: http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Late-December/Tree-at-Home/xmas-tree-home-2 | Mar 11 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | xmas-tree-home-2 | Mar 11 19:08 | |
| schestowitz | As AUX at least | Mar 11 19:08 |
| schestowitz | working since 1993 | Mar 11 19:08 |
| schestowitz | we used that when working out, it connected to a laptop | Mar 11 19:08 |
| schestowitz | *it's | Mar 11 19:08 |
| schestowitz | let's see if it makes it to 30 | Mar 11 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Samsung made | Mar 11 19:08 |
| CrystalMath | i have a washing machine from 1985 | Mar 11 19:09 |
| CrystalMath | fully refitted recently, in perfect working order | Mar 11 19:09 |
| schestowitz | wow | Mar 11 19:09 |
| schestowitz | almost as old as me | Mar 11 19:09 |
| schestowitz | my mom's microwave is 30+ years old | Mar 11 19:09 |
| schestowitz | they no longer make things that last this long | Mar 11 19:10 |
| schestowitz | (or people would not buy these) | Mar 11 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs explains why :-) https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html | Mar 11 19:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Goldman asks: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?' | Mar 11 19:10 | |
| techrights-bot | Stable Kernels: 5.11.6, 5.10.23, 5.4.105, 4.19.180, 4.14.225, 4.9.261 , and 4.4.261 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148702 •●• #GNU #Linux #Kernel #TuxMachines | Mar 11 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.11.6, 5.10.23, 5.4.105, 4.19.180, 4.14.225, 4.9.261 , and 4.4.261 | Tux Machines | Mar 11 19:12 | |
| techrights-bot | The GNU/Linux Setup – Jon Kukuk, Musician/ #SysAdmin • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148703 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux Setup – Jon Kukuk, Musician/SysAdmin | Tux Machines | Mar 11 19:12 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ Oh The Culture You'll Cancel, Thanks To The Ninth Circuit And #Copyright https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210309/09242946390/culture-youll-cancel-thanks-to-ninth-circuit-copyright.shtml | Mar 11 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oh The Culture You'll Cancel, Thanks To The Ninth Circuit And Copyright | Techdirt | Mar 11 19:13 | |
| Ariadne | with all this complaining about "cancel culture", is this #techrights or #CPAC | Mar 11 19:14 |
| Ariadne | just wondering | Mar 11 19:14 |
| MinceR | cancer culture | Mar 11 19:14 |
| MinceR | does one have to be a fascist to disapprove of people being cancelled? | Mar 11 19:14 |
| Ariadne | because dr. seuss enterprises choosing to withdraw books with racist illustrations is not "cancel culture" | Mar 11 19:14 |
| schestowitz | it's not a partisan issue | Mar 11 19:14 |
| schestowitz | techdirt | Mar 11 19:15 |
| schestowitz | not techrights | Mar 11 19:15 |
| MinceR | is that the only instance of cancel culture, then? | Mar 11 19:15 |
| schestowitz | sorry if the names are similar | Mar 11 19:15 |
| schestowitz | PJ of Groklaw got confused too | Mar 11 19:15 |
| MinceR | funny, i seem to remember someone called RMS | Mar 11 19:15 |
| schestowitz | mistaking the site names | Mar 11 19:15 |
| MinceR | but i guess he became an unperson | Mar 11 19:15 |
| Ariadne | RMS is still a person | Mar 11 19:15 |
| schestowitz | we all are | Mar 11 19:15 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: can'd they just edit the illustrations or replace them? | Mar 11 19:15 |
| CrystalMath | *can't | Mar 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | anyway, it's techdirt, not techrights | Mar 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | masnick is left-leaning | Mar 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | and he loathes censorship | Mar 11 19:16 |
| MinceR | or maybe add a foreword with context | Mar 11 19:16 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: feel free to ask dr. seuss enterprises | Mar 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | he's the target of attempts to cancel his site | Mar 11 19:16 |
| Ariadne | it's their books | Mar 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | many old books are 'racist' | Mar 11 19:16 |
| MinceR | or just put them in the public domain | Mar 11 19:16 |
| Ariadne | if they don't want to bother with updating them, that's their business | Mar 11 19:16 |
| MinceR | i doubt anyone's really depending on dead trees anymore | Mar 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | some of today's P-C books will be "bad" in the future | Mar 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: some do | Mar 11 19:17 |
| schestowitz | it's practical in many contexts | Mar 11 19:17 |
| schestowitz | like on planes | Mar 11 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I don't need batteries to read some text | Mar 11 19:17 |
| MinceR | i read on my phone every time i flew | Mar 11 19:17 |
| schestowitz | if you have some old books hanging in a cabinet, they too are an option | Mar 11 19:17 |
| schestowitz | trees die from other things | Mar 11 19:18 |
| Ariadne | anyway, RMS did not even get "cancelled" | Mar 11 19:18 |
| schestowitz | in larger volumes | Mar 11 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: thankfully | Mar 11 19:18 |
| schestowitz | they tried | Mar 11 19:18 |
| Ariadne | RMS instead decided to piss off basically everyone at MIT | Mar 11 19:18 |
| schestowitz | he withstood it | Mar 11 19:18 |
| schestowitz | the IBMers still tried to get him out of GNU last year | Mar 11 19:18 |
| Ariadne | by engaging in discussion of a hypothetical situation where marvin minsky took up epstein on his child sex offer | Mar 11 19:18 |
| Ariadne | which clearly never happened | Mar 11 19:19 |
| MinceR | ah yes, discussing hypothetical situations is now heresy | Mar 11 19:19 |
| MinceR | RIP free software | Mar 11 19:19 |
| Ariadne | discussing a hypothetical situation involving one of MIT's most beloved professors is definitely heresy on an MIT mailing list | Mar 11 19:19 |
| psydroid | indeed | Mar 11 19:20 |
| MinceR | now we have software repositories for the purpose of making crybullies feel good and supporting megacorporate agendas instead | Mar 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz | monopolies | Mar 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz | megacorporate underplays it I think | Mar 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz | oligopolies at best | Mar 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz | they share power among them | Mar 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz | and get funded by the same sources | Mar 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz | inc. military budget | Mar 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <techrights-bot> ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #grifting #massmurder ☞ New Report to Expose #War Industry Lobby Behind $264 Billion US Nuclear Missile 'Boondoggle' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/10/new-report-expose-war-industry-lobby-behind-264-billion-us-nuclear-missile | Mar 11 19:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | New Report to Expose War Industry Lobby Behind $264 Billion US Nuclear Missile 'Boondoggle' | Common Dreams News | Mar 11 19:20 | |
| schestowitz | the BIG money | Mar 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz | grows on TREES | Mar 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz | 'trees' | Mar 11 19:20 |
| psydroid | let's all become IBM and Microsoft researchers now | Mar 11 19:21 |
| schestowitz | just play ball for them | Mar 11 19:21 |
| schestowitz | like Google salaries | Mar 11 19:21 |
| schestowitz | or IBM | Mar 11 19:21 |
| schestowitz | that's where the money comes from | Mar 11 19:21 |
| Ariadne | the point being that RMS shot himself in the foot because he acted emotionally instead of thinking about context | Mar 11 19:21 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: it's a marketing department | Mar 11 19:21 |
| schestowitz | spun as "research" | Mar 11 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I've called it that for decades | Mar 11 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: many people can be caught for saying something improper | Mar 11 19:21 |
| CrystalMath | screw Minsky and MIT | Mar 11 19:21 |
| psydroid | schestowitz, I know | Mar 11 19:22 |
| schestowitz | even 'leftist' Obama moaned about "cancel culture" | Mar 11 19:22 |
| MinceR | i guess that means obama is a "conservative" now | Mar 11 19:22 |
| schestowitz | because he recognised it would be used against people he agreed with | Mar 11 19:22 |
| MinceR | CPAC member | Mar 11 19:22 |
| schestowitz | many of us on the left who support (true) free speech see that as problematic | Mar 11 19:22 |
| Ariadne | had he thought for a moment whether or not it would be appropriate to defend Minsky by exploring the hypothetical situation that was alleged instead of just saying "it didn't happen, the dude was in his 80s when that AI event happened on epstein's island" | Mar 11 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Merkel opposed kicking Trump out from Twitter | Mar 11 19:22 |
| Ariadne | then he would not have had to deal with angry MIT people trying to cancel him | Mar 11 19:22 |
| Ariadne | i am just saying | Mar 11 19:23 |
| schestowitz | not Twitter tosses people out, left and right | Mar 11 19:23 |
| schestowitz | fro corprorate purposes | Mar 11 19:23 |
| psydroid | it's like hire the best people from the competition and put them in the "research department", so they can't hurt our business anymore | Mar 11 19:23 |
| CrystalMath | MIT sucks | Mar 11 19:23 |
| CrystalMath | they killed Aaron Schwartz | Mar 11 19:23 |
| CrystalMath | they're not people a good person wants to associate with | Mar 11 19:23 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: I have some stories I could tell | Mar 11 19:23 |
| schestowitz | but bill and MSFT used NDAs | Mar 11 19:23 |
| schestowitz | they attack their critics | Mar 11 19:24 |
| schestowitz | a lot | Mar 11 19:24 |
| Ariadne | if you read the full thread (which i can provide), many other participants on that list from MIT and Harvard defended Minsky by pointing out the alleged encounter was unlikely to have happened because Minsky was geriatric | Mar 11 19:24 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_Retribution_against_individuals_and_organisations | Mar 11 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Retribution against individuals and organisations - Techrights | Mar 11 19:24 | |
| Ariadne | RMS could have done that and would have been fine | Mar 11 19:24 |
| schestowitz | it's a strategy | Mar 11 19:24 |
| CrystalMath | i now genuinely wish death upon the organization known as MIT | Mar 11 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | https://independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/b1814372.html | Mar 11 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | French schoolgirl admits lying about murdered teacher Samuel Paty | The Independent | Mar 11 19:24 | |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: without MIT you would not have FSF or GNU | Mar 11 19:24 |
| MinceR | there's no FSF anymore | Mar 11 19:25 |
| MinceR | and GNU is being destroyed from the inside | Mar 11 19:25 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: we are talking about the past | Mar 11 19:25 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: video: http://techrights.org/2020/10/12/tribute-to-the-bill/ | Mar 11 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When Bill Gates Pays a University Through His Friend Epstein (Sex Trafficker) to Call Buildings After Himself | Techrights | Mar 11 19:25 | |
| schestowitz | RMS gives the finger (MIT) | Mar 11 19:25 |
| CrystalMath | we would not have reiserfs without Hans Reiser | Mar 11 19:25 |
| schestowitz | ShisjkinFS | Mar 11 19:26 |
| schestowitz | people who call their projects after themselves | Mar 11 19:26 |
| schestowitz | LINUX | Mar 11 19:26 |
| schestowitz | at least RMS didn't call things after himself | Mar 11 19:26 |
| MinceR | afaik Linux was not named by Linus | Mar 11 19:26 |
| schestowitz | ego a factor | Mar 11 19:26 |
| schestowitz | FTP access | Mar 11 19:27 |
| CrystalMath | i'm just saying... that's no excuse for what this organization does now | Mar 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | account for linus over ftp | Mar 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | on unix | Mar 11 19:27 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Naming | Mar 11 19:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Linux - Wikipedia | Mar 11 19:27 | |
| schestowitz | linux | Mar 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | but it's still similar | Mar 11 19:27 |
| CrystalMath | it was called freax | Mar 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | cybrNaut: they cover up for sex abuse | Mar 11 19:27 |
| CrystalMath | very similar to myname idea, lunatix | Mar 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/06/02/eponian-drunk-tale/ | Mar 11 19:27 |
| CrystalMath | *my name | Mar 11 19:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Tall Tales From EPOnia – A Little Apéritif to Whet the Appetite… | Techrights | Mar 11 19:27 | |
| schestowitz | sorry, wrong url | Mar 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ | Mar 11 19:27 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Sorry, did you just bring up sex? | Mar 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ | Mar 11 19:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights | Mar 11 19:28 | |
| schestowitz | people who talked about sex canceled RMS | Mar 11 19:28 |
| schestowitz | not him | Mar 11 19:28 |
| schestowitz | people who weaponise sex | Mar 11 19:28 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/mit-emails/ | Mar 11 19:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | All This Happened While Bill Gates’ Engineer Was on Trial for Amassing Child Pornography | Techrights | Mar 11 19:28 | |
| CrystalMath | honestly, RMS should have left MIT when the Aaron Schwartz thing happened | Mar 11 19:28 |
| MinceR | mjg59 sounds thirsty | Mar 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/01/26/mit-and-ms-or-mbs-billg/ | Mar 11 19:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | MIT and Microsoft Have Done Nothing to Actually Tackle Pedophilia and Ephebophilia | Techrights | Mar 11 19:29 | |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: similar | Mar 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | they did an "investogation" | Mar 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | which turned out to be self-serving coverup | Mar 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | fake 'independence' | Mar 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | with a mission to cleanse their name | Mar 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe he can drink off his ex colleague andry rubin | Mar 11 19:30 |
| schestowitz | but andy is into girls | Mar 11 19:30 |
| psydroid | is he employing trollspeech now? | Mar 11 19:30 |
| schestowitz | anyway | Mar 11 19:30 |
| schestowitz | back on topic | Mar 11 19:30 |
| schestowitz | the RMS cancel thing is by nature going to bring up the false pretexts | Mar 11 19:30 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #meduza #ru #russia ☞ Russian lawmakers adopt in first reading bill exempting officials from punishment for ‘accidental corruption’ https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/03/10/russian-lawmakers-adopt-in-first-reading-bill-exempting-officials-from-punishment-for-accidental-corruption | Mar 11 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Mar 11 19:31 | |
| CrystalMath | cancel MIT instead | Mar 11 19:31 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #meduza #ru #russia #Navalny ☞ ‘RT’ announces plans to sue German tabloid over allegations of ‘spying on Navalny’ https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/03/10/rt-announces-plans-to-sue-german-tabloid-over-allegations-of-spying-on-navalny | Mar 11 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Mar 11 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | cybrNaut: yes | Mar 11 19:32 |
| schestowitz | when I was young some people said it would be nice to study there | Mar 11 19:32 |
| schestowitz | but MIT was not yet notorious for military ties | Mar 11 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Not Harvard is under fire | Mar 11 19:33 |
| schestowitz | over Cornell West | Mar 11 19:33 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #DemocracyNow #Harvard #Centrism ☞ Too Radical for Harvard? #CornelWest on Failed Fight for Tenure, Biden’s First 50 Days & More https://www.democracynow.org/2021/3/10/cornel_west_harvard_tenure_denial_biden | Mar 11 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Too Radical for Harvard? Cornel West on Failed Fight for Tenure, Biden’s First 50 Days & More | Democracy Now! | Mar 11 19:33 | |
| MinceR | psydroid: was he ever not? | Mar 11 19:33 |
| techrights-bot | #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148704 •●• #Google #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 19:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 11 19:34 | |
| XRevan86 | > Russian lawmakers adopt in first reading bill exempting officials from punishment for ‘accidental corruption’ | Mar 11 19:34 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/Ty2FVORVTQM | Mar 11 19:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Швондер: Это какой-то позор - YouTube | Mar 11 19:35 | |
| psydroid | MinceR, I only realised he's here because someone mentioned his nick | Mar 11 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was accidentally corrupt. It won't happen again. Investigated myself and got it all under control! | Mar 11 19:38 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ Bill McKibben Says Rutgers Divesting From #FossilFuels Is a "Big Deal" https://truthout.org/video/bill-mckibben-says-rutgers-divesting-from-fossil-fuels-is-a-big-deal/ easy to down when it's down... | Mar 11 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Bill McKibben Says Rutgers Divesting From Fossil Fuels Is a "Big Deal" | Mar 11 19:41 | |
| *DVulgaris_ (~quassel@147.236.153.9) has joined #techrights | Mar 11 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: get out of jail card | Mar 11 19:43 |
| schestowitz | does that apply retroactively too? | Mar 11 19:43 |
| schestowitz | corrupt? just CLAIM you did not understand the law. | Mar 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | come to the courtroom with a walking stick and say you have memory problems... | Mar 11 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It does. | Mar 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | :D | Mar 11 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | it's a retroactive law | Mar 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | great | Mar 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | so all is forgiven | Mar 11 19:44 |
| schestowitz | "back to work, plebs..." | Mar 11 19:44 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #elite #xenophobia #tribalism ☞ Opinion | #Racism Among the Royals? Really? https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/03/10/racism-among-royals-really | Mar 11 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Racism Among the Royals? Really? | Mar 11 19:46 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You should check what Niemtsov talked about corruption in Russia. | Mar 11 19:46 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #Utah Legislature Wraps Up Session By Passing Two Unconstitutional #Internet Bills https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210308/22350246387/utah-legislature-wraps-up-session-passing-two-unconstitutional-internet-bills.shtml | Mar 11 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Utah Legislature Wraps Up Session By Passing Two Unconstitutional Internet Bills | Techdirt | Mar 11 19:46 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #meduza #ru #russia #socialcontrolmedia ☞ Slow down, Twitter #Roskomnadzor throttles Twitter over failure to remove ‘illegal content’ https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/03/10/slow-down-twitter | Mar 11 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Mar 11 19:47 | |
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| schestowitz | who's Niemtsov? | Mar 11 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Twitter should remove illegal president | Mar 11 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov | Mar 11 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Boris Nemtsov - Wikipedia | Mar 11 19:47 | |
| schestowitz | "From 2000 until his death, he was an outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin." | Mar 11 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Mar 11 19:49 |
| schestowitz | maybe he licked something | Mar 11 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Poked by an umbrella. | Mar 11 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Died 55 | Mar 11 19:49 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov#Assassination | Mar 11 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Boris Nemtsov - Wikipedia | Mar 11 19:49 | |
| schestowitz | "Less than three weeks before his murder, on 10 February, Nemtsov had written on Russia's Sobesednik news website that his 87-year-old mother was afraid Putin would kill him. He added that his mother is also afraid for former oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky and anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny. " | Mar 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | silly mom | Mar 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | silly.. | Mar 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Navalny would never be a target | Mar 11 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: No, he was shot. | Mar 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | which shot? | Mar 11 19:51 |
| schestowitz | sputnik-V? | Mar 11 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | gun shot | Mar 11 19:51 |
| schestowitz | fake news | Mar 11 19:51 |
| schestowitz | "illegal content" | Mar 11 19:51 |
| schestowitz | remove | Mar 11 19:51 |
| techrights-bot | <li> | Mar 11 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/11/02/off-the-hook | Mar 11 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Mar 11 19:52 | |
| schestowitz | sounds like assassination method | Mar 11 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I wish they have proper headline expansion there | Mar 11 19:53 |
| schestowitz | they don't do meta headers right | Mar 11 19:53 |
| schestowitz | JAVASCRIPT | Mar 11 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "run this problem to get a web page" | Mar 11 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "our program, not yours" | Mar 11 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | American medical system: I lost less in the mugging than I do each time I go to the doctor so they can give me horseassed advice and tell me to talk to a nutritionist on my Obamacare insurance. | Mar 11 19:55 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #Kentucky Senators Pass Bill That Would Make It A Crime To Say Mean Things To Cops https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210308/16332146384/kentucky-senators-pass-bill-that-would-make-it-crime-to-say-mean-things-to-cops.shtml | Mar 11 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kentucky Senators Pass Bill That Would Make It A Crime To Say Mean Things To Cops | Techdirt | Mar 11 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: so if you mug your physician, you'll still be cashflow negative | Mar 11 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I ought to mug the doctor and get some of it back. Driving a car I made a payment on to tell me to watch my salt. | Mar 11 19:59 |
| schestowitz | "Watch yo ssault! | Mar 11 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "You know how things are monotonous and boring? Here, don't put any salt in your food. That ought to help.". | Mar 11 20:00 |
| schestowitz | that'll be $200!" | Mar 11 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then she orders a bunch of lab tests and a follow up visit. | Mar 11 20:01 |
| schestowitz | medi school= licence to mint money | Mar 11 20:01 |
| schestowitz | in the US anyway | Mar 11 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I get to the lab and they say insurance won't pay for most of the tests because there aren't enough billing codes, and I had to wait while they called her and got more codes. | Mar 11 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So insurance will pay because there's more codes now. | Mar 11 20:01 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/734230.mp4 | Mar 11 20:02 |
| techrights-bot | Corrupt #EPO has bullied its own judges into allowing illegal software patents https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/enlarged-board-of-appeal-releases-g-1-19-decision-on-patenting-computer-simulations/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Software_Patents_in_Europe | Mar 11 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Enlarged Board of Appeal releases G 1/19 decision on patenting computer simulations - JUVE Patent | Mar 11 20:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in Europe - Techrights | Mar 11 20:02 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Janeway: "I need to know if we've harmed this lifeform." The Doctor: "Well let's see. You rammed your ship into it, fired phasers at it, and blew a hole in it with a photon torpedo. I'd say there's a fair chance...." Janeway: "Computer, mute audio!" | Mar 11 20:03 |
| techrights-bot | EPO Does the Unlawful While Leveraging Women’s Rights as an Opportunistic Form of Disguise • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/10/unlawful-exploitation/ •●• #Techrights #EPO #corruption #swpats gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/10/unlawful-exploitation/ | Mar 11 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Does the Unlawful While Leveraging Women’s Rights as an Opportunistic Form of Disguise | Techrights | Mar 11 20:03 | |
| techrights-bot | It's not even over yet. The radiation is still there, lasts a lifetime. https://howiehawkins.us/fukushima-ten-years-on-the-disaster-continues/ | Mar 11 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | Fukushima: Ten Years On the Disaster Continues | Howie Hawkins for our Future | Mar 11 20:04 | |
| techrights-bot | Ask the #epo who owns a big and they'll tell you pigs are patented. Are they copyrighted too? http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/jeff-koons-loses-again-in-france-his.html | Mar 11 20:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Jeff Koons loses (again) in France: his Fait d'Hiver found to infringe copyright in Franck Davidovici's own Fait d'Hiver - The IPKat | Mar 11 20:05 | |
| techrights-bot | #Sigstore Project Aims to Monopolise Software Supply Chain http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28586 http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ #monopoly | Mar 11 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 11 20:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies It’s Fronting for | Techrights | Mar 11 20:13 | |
| techrights-bot | Events: #FSFE at #FOSDEM 2021, Virtual #LibrePlanet , and Cornelius Schumacher’s Take • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148705 •●• | Mar 11 20:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Events: FSFE at FOSDEM 2021, Virtual LibrePlanet, and Cornelius Schumacher's Take | Tux Machines | Mar 11 20:18 | |
| techrights-bot | #Racism has been solved! https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GitLab-Default-Main http://techrights.org/2021/02/23/minds-of-profound-racists/ | Mar 11 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitLab Will Now Default To "Main" For New Git Repositories - Phoronix | Mar 11 20:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Word Master is Not Problematic in Most Contexts and Its Origin Hasn’t a Connection to Slavery | Techrights | Mar 11 20:23 | |
| MinceR | finally | Mar 11 20:24 |
| techrights-bot | Microsoft-connected press pushing hard an anti-Linux angle (non-news, not of interest) to distract from the #Microsoft #Exchange blunder http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148671#comment-28587 truly evil and dnagerous PR tactics http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ | Mar 11 20:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Tactics | Tux Machines | Mar 11 20:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights | Mar 11 20:26 | |
| techrights-bot | #LinuxFoundation pushing #fakesecurity ( #monopoly disguised as "security") with help from paid-for media partners http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28588 http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ | Mar 11 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines | Mar 11 20:29 | |
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| techrights-bot | #MicrosoftTim pushing against the #GPL (which #Microsoft hates) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148518#comment-28589 also see http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/outsourcing-linux-to-microsoft-github/ | Mar 11 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 13.0-RC1 Now Available | Tux Machines | Mar 11 20:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Warning: Microsoft Tim and Microsoft’s New Mole Inside ‘Linux’ Foundation Board (a Paid-For Seat) Liaise to Outsource Linux Development to Microsoft’s Proprietary Software Trap | Techrights | Mar 11 20:31 | |
| techrights-bot | The Fall of #TheRegister • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ | Mar 11 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights | Mar 11 20:32 | |
| techrights-bot | "You know how these sorts of people like to keep lists? I'm keeping my own list of these productivity-sapping cowards, and I suggest you do to." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1244141-gitlab-will-now-default-to-main-for-new-git-repositories | Mar 11 20:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitLab Will Now Default To "Main" For New Git Repositories - Phoronix Forums | Mar 11 20:33 | |
| techrights-bot | "Finally. All those billions of projects that were on hold because git wasn't inclusive, can all be unleashed now." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1244141-gitlab-will-now-default-to-main-for-new-git-repositories | Mar 11 20:33 |
| techrights-bot | "I'm honestly curious, do these same people believe that "mastering" or "remastering", when it comes to music or film, is also racist language?" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1244141-gitlab-will-now-default-to-main-for-new-git-repositories | Mar 11 20:34 |
| techrights-bot | #IBM Fought for ’Master Race’ and Now It’s Banning the Word 'Master' • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/ | Mar 11 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Fought for ‘Master Race’ and Now It’s Banning the Word ‘Master’ | Techrights | Mar 11 20:34 | |
| techrights-bot | Let’s Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away People’s Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb ’in Peace') • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ •●• #IBM #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ | Mar 11 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Let’s Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away People’s Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb ‘in Peace’) | Techrights | Mar 11 20:35 | |
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| techrights-bot | "It is not clearer than "master" in the slightest. It is plain and simply a completely useless change without a single upside." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1244141-gitlab-will-now-default-to-main-for-new-git-repositories/page2 | Mar 11 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitLab Will Now Default To "Main" For New Git Repositories - Phoronix Forums | Mar 11 20:36 | |
| techrights-bot | ""main" is Dutch slang for "man". So if you put it like that, only men are allowed to use Git." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1244141-gitlab-will-now-default-to-main-for-new-git-repositories/page2 | Mar 11 20:37 |
| CrystalMath | sexist: (noun) A person who believes that bytes should be 6 bits long. See also: octist, nonist. | Mar 11 20:38 |
| techrights-bot | Microsoft Insider: #Microsoft is Full of Nationalists and Gun Enthusiasts • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2020/06/17/microsoft-firearms-cult/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/06/17/microsoft-firearms-cult/ | Mar 11 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Insider: Microsoft is Full of Nationalists and Gun Enthusiasts | Techrights | Mar 11 20:40 | |
| CrystalMath | Example sentence: "There is some merit to sexism, as it makes it possible to display each byte as exactly two octal digits." | Mar 11 20:40 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: ChanServ should be renamed | Mar 11 20:40 |
| CrystalMath | why? | Mar 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | It triggers people who were servants | Mar 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | we need an equal society | Mar 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | no more servants | Mar 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | servers to be renamed cloud | Mar 11 20:41 |
| Ariadne | are you high | Mar 11 20:41 |
| Ariadne | i am just wondering | Mar 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | services are microMains | Mar 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: who? | Mar 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | no, sarcastic | Mar 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | we don't deal with real issues | Mar 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | like companies that kill people | Mar 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | and I was quoting examples of comments | Mar 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | from devs | Mar 11 20:43 |
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| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #meduza #ru #russia #energy ☞ #Nornickel pays record fine for May 2020 #oilspill in the Russian Arctic https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/03/10/nornickel-pays-record-fine-for-may-2020-oil-spill-in-the-russian-arctic | Mar 11 20:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Mar 11 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | vZS1: we need more ipfs pins | Mar 11 20:44 |
| schestowitz | we lost some nodes | Mar 11 20:44 |
| vZS1 | My server is out of commission right now. I'm busy and can't resume the migration yet | Mar 11 20:45 |
| schestowitz | that's OK | Mar 11 20:45 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the headsup | Mar 11 20:45 |
| vZS1 | Np | Mar 11 20:45 |
| schestowitz | in the meantime mine is on | Mar 11 20:45 |
| schestowitz | we have a big series going at the moment, and another smaller one | Mar 11 20:45 |
| schestowitz | we get more leaks | Mar 11 20:45 |
| vZS1 | I'm reading the EPO one rn | Mar 11 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | it'll be about 30 parts | Mar 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | got me overloaded and overburdened today... but now I have a clearer plan of what to publish, how, when... | Mar 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I also fixed a bug in my ipfs code | Mar 11 20:47 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Opinion | Resilient Networks Can Save Lives https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/03/10/resilient-networks-can-save-lives | Mar 11 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Resilient Networks Can Save Lives | Mar 11 20:48 | |
| vZS1 | You should consider uploading your articles to Libgen. That would be a good alternative if the site is down | Mar 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | it would be better off automated | Mar 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | ipfs puts that on many at once | Mar 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | EPO really hates us (the management) | Mar 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | they throw tantrums when we publish | Mar 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | (insiders say) | Mar 11 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <techrights-bot "Microsoft Insider: #Microsoft is"> "Gun enthusiasts" | Mar 11 20:49 |
| vZS1 | Libgen mirrors for you. It's just the initial upload that is manual | Mar 11 20:49 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #meduza #ru #russia ☞ March 10, 1991 Snapshots of #Moscow during one of biggest protest rallies in Russia’s history https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/03/10/march-10-1991 | Mar 11 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Mar 11 20:49 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You mean people in compliance with the laws regarding guns and buying them to protect themselves from the criminals that have them illegally that the useless police won't do anything with. | Mar 11 20:49 |
| schestowitz | if it's legal doesn't mean you need to do it | Mar 11 20:49 |
| schestowitz | you can also drink every day (booze) | Mar 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | doesn't mean you ought to | Mar 11 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only the people who are afraid of consequences tend to follow the law, you know. | Mar 11 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's kind of a higher bar. | Mar 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | 2nd am is divisive | Mar 11 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people with gun permits don't use the gun in a crime. | Mar 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | and some suggest abolishing it completely | Mar 11 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you say that because you carried a gun | Mar 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | until your arrest | Mar 11 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's very little point in trying to punish criminals other than segregating them from society. | Mar 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | and now you want to buy another pistol | Mar 11 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their brains aren't wired to appreciate consequences. | Mar 11 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, very quickly, usually in their 20s, they are either dead, in prison for something, or have a long rap sheet where the prosecutor just kept letting them go. | Mar 11 20:51 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Lawmakers Introduce Bill to Get Rid of Helms Amendment—'A Racist, Colonial Relic' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/10/lawmakers-introduce-bill-get-rid-helms-amendment-racist-colonial-relic | Mar 11 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Lawmakers Introduce Bill to Get Rid of Helms Amendment—'A Racist, Colonial Relic' | Common Dreams News | Mar 11 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | States have done just about everything to "lower recidivism", but really the only way to do it is to not arrest people in the first place and let them get away with crime so that you don't have to count it in the first place. | Mar 11 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois is doing this to make room in the budget for pensions for state "workers" who didn't do anything important when they were employed and certainly don't now. | Mar 11 20:53 |
| techrights-bot | Monitor #SpaceX Rocket Launches With Software-Defined Radio | Hackaday ⇨ https://hackaday.com/2021/03/11/monitor-spacex-rocket-launches-with-software-defined-radio/ •●• #hackaday | Mar 11 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monitor SpaceX Rocket Launches With Software-Defined Radio | Hackaday | Mar 11 20:53 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why they let a convict who raped and murdered a little girl in 1997 out of prison the other day. | Mar 11 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sent him to live in a halfway house in an entire Chicago neighborhood who is pissed off and, let's be honest, hopes someone kills him outside of the legal system. | Mar 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | vengeance-based systems | Mar 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | +guns | Mar 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | =chicago | Mar 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | good luck | Mar 11 20:55 |
| schestowitz | enjoy | Mar 11 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone is going to kill this guy and then he'll be dead and everyone will be glad. | Mar 11 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My prediction. | Mar 11 20:55 |
| CrystalMath | then i hope someone kills the criminal who kills him | Mar 11 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state ought to be putting a needle in his arm, instead they let him out into Chicago. | Mar 11 20:55 |
| CrystalMath | and the one who kills that other guy | Mar 11 20:55 |
| CrystalMath | and the one who kills that other guy | Mar 11 20:55 |
| CrystalMath | etc... | Mar 11 20:55 |
| CrystalMath | repeat until everyone's dead | Mar 11 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know where they should move this guy to,. | Mar 11 20:56 |
| CrystalMath | i truly wholeheartedly believe he deserves a second chance | Mar 11 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They ought to give him a penthouse suite in one of those condo buildings where the rich white mjg59s live. | Mar 11 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who voted for this bullshit... | Mar 11 20:56 |
| CrystalMath | i would vote for letting people go and giving them a second chance | Mar 11 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They like him, they can have him. It'll never happen. People like this never deal with the consequences of what they vote for. | Mar 11 20:57 |
| CrystalMath | i would always vote against vengeance | Mar 11 20:57 |
| CrystalMath | people should only be kept in prisons to prevent harm to others, never as revenge | Mar 11 20:57 |
| CrystalMath | never because of people who are upset | Mar 11 20:57 |
| techrights-bot | The so-called 'Linux' Foundation has just outsourced another project to Microsoft's proprietary software trap. Amazing self-harm. https://linuxfoundation.org/en/blog/new-open-source-project-helps-musicians-jam-together-even-when-theyre-not-together/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation | Mar 11 20:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | New open source project helps musicians jam together even when they’re not together - Linux Foundation | Mar 11 20:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights | Mar 11 20:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The politicians only care about being re-elected forever and expanding their own power. | Mar 11 20:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | How do you do that? Give people free shit you took from a smaller group (so they can't outvote the group getting it), or at least give many no personal stake in the outcome. | Mar 11 20:58 |
| CrystalMath | i'm personally truly saddened by the story of Edward Muscare | Mar 11 20:58 |
| techrights-bot | #linuxfoundation : we proudly work for militarism, for empire, to help kill people and take their natural/national resources https://linuxfoundation.org/en/blog/how-open-source-communities-are-driving-5gs-future-even-within-a-large-government-like-the-us/ | Mar 11 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | How open source communities are driving 5G’s future, even within a large government like the US - Linux Foundation | Mar 11 20:59 | |
| mjg59 | Again, just going to point out that I spent 5 years living somewhere with 3 times the violent crime rate of Chicago | Mar 11 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | [19:48] <techrights-bot> ● NEWS ● #TruthOut #GOPKKK ☞ "Pro-Life" #Texas Lawmaker Introduces Bill Imposing #DeathPenalty for #Abortion https://truthout.org/articles/pro-life-texas-lawmaker-introduces-bill-imposing-death-penalty-for-abortion/ | Mar 11 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and voters like you are why. | Mar 11 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | "Pro-Life" Texas Lawmaker Introduces Bill Imposing Death Penalty for Abortion | Mar 11 21:00 | |
| mjg59 | The idea that I'm somehow entirely unaware of reality is unfounded | Mar 11 21:00 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, Oakland, that well known refuge of white liberals | Mar 11 21:00 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: pro-life LOL | Mar 11 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state overall is. They can dump the undesirables out of prison so they don't pay for their upkeep, and move them in next door to someone like me, where it doesn't affect them any. | Mar 11 21:01 |
| CrystalMath | is that something from the onion, or real? | Mar 11 21:01 |
| schestowitz | for real | Mar 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | pro-life anti-lockdown | Mar 11 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | mjg59: I'm starting to understand why people move to Slab City. | Mar 11 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government bothers them less there. | Mar 11 21:02 |
| CrystalMath | i'm anti-death penalty and pro-choice but also anti-lockdown (or for a lesser lockdown) | Mar 11 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "pro-life anti-lockdown"> At least there's a bunch of red states buffering us from Texas. | Mar 11 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe more people will get the vaccine in time here. | Mar 11 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | i believe SARS-CoV-2 is here to stay, forever, and we must learn to live WITH it, not hide from it | Mar 11 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | maybe we could genetically alter it even, to create a safer version which won't kill anyone, then release that | Mar 11 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | but some will consider that "unethical" somehow | Mar 11 21:04 |
| Ariadne | this group is really starting to become the QAnon of FOSS | Mar 11 21:04 |
| schestowitz | it would not eliminate the "bad" one | Mar 11 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | instead, it's ethical to arrest people for having fun on new years' eve | Mar 11 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: it would, because immunity to one would also work on the other | Mar 11 21:05 |
| CrystalMath | it's like a living vaccine | Mar 11 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: not even remotely similar | Mar 11 21:05 |
| CrystalMath | it happens in nature all the time, that's how pandemic flus stop | Mar 11 21:05 |
| Ariadne | it is totally similar | Mar 11 21:05 |
| schestowitz | because a few people here oppose vaccination | Mar 11 21:05 |
| schestowitz | not most | Mar 11 21:05 |
| Ariadne | not just that | Mar 11 21:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe 1 or 2 | Mar 11 21:05 |
| CrystalMath | i don't oppose vaccination in general | Mar 11 21:06 |
| CrystalMath | so i don't know who you're talking about | Mar 11 21:06 |
| Ariadne | pretty much all the crackpot theories, they've been through the roof since COVID | Mar 11 21:06 |
| schestowitz | qanon is total lunacy | Mar 11 21:06 |
| CrystalMath | i don't even oppose vaccination against COVID | Mar 11 21:06 |
| schestowitz | no need to associate any of us with people who subscribe to bible-connected fiction | Mar 11 21:06 |
| CrystalMath | i just say that mRNA vaccines are untested stuff | Mar 11 21:06 |
| CrystalMath | there are real alternatives to them, which are available | Mar 11 21:06 |
| Ariadne | you don't need to be bible-connected, you've made your own entire mythos | Mar 11 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: you opposes lockdown | Mar 11 21:06 |
| schestowitz | at first | Mar 11 21:06 |
| schestowitz | *opposed | Mar 11 21:07 |
| CrystalMath | funny, i supported it at first | Mar 11 21:07 |
| schestowitz | there is no mythos unless you name it | Mar 11 21:07 |
| schestowitz | what we said is very conventional among geeks | Mar 11 21:07 |
| schestowitz | not among corporate press | Mar 11 21:07 |
| CrystalMath | i thought we can contain the virus and get rid of it like SARS-CoV-1 | Mar 11 21:07 |
| schestowitz | because they have another agenda | Mar 11 21:07 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: yes, i am not in favor of lockdowns | Mar 11 21:08 |
| schestowitz | ok | Mar 11 21:08 |
| schestowitz | some would consider >that> crackpotty | Mar 11 21:08 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: so what's QAnon-ish about this channel? | Mar 11 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I think you misunderstand qanon, I saw those loons in Twitter | Mar 11 21:09 |
| schestowitz | world-class lunacy | Mar 11 21:09 |
| Ariadne | i understand it just fine | Mar 11 21:09 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i have one visit my home, last time she was here she said the real Biden was arrested and this guy you see is an identical double | Mar 11 21:09 |
| schestowitz | even worse | Mar 11 21:09 |
| CrystalMath | and that the pope has been killed by Trump's deathray or something, and he's also an identical double | Mar 11 21:09 |
| schestowitz | they call him pedo and stuff | Mar 11 21:09 |
| schestowitz | they call everyone pedo | Mar 11 21:10 |
| schestowitz | we, otoh, pursued police records | Mar 11 21:10 |
| schestowitz | and we base things on hard facts | Mar 11 21:10 |
| Ariadne | you ran a story about a nobody at microsoft having child porn | Mar 11 21:10 |
| schestowitz | comparing anyone collectively to qanon takes a lot of burden of proof | Mar 11 21:10 |
| Ariadne | i mean, do what you want, but that did not advance software freedom | Mar 11 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: who? | Mar 11 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Peter? | Mar 11 21:11 |
| Ariadne | yes | Mar 11 21:11 |
| schestowitz | He did a lot for them | Mar 11 21:11 |
| schestowitz | literally helped groom github for takeover | Mar 11 21:11 |
| schestowitz | with scripted stories about git at Microsoft | Mar 11 21:11 |
| schestowitz | he wasn't some random person | Mar 11 21:11 |
| schestowitz | I ran that story, which was factual | Mar 11 21:11 |
| Ariadne | to you, sure, to the general public, no | Mar 11 21:11 |
| schestowitz | how is that even qanon | Mar 11 21:11 |
| schestowitz | he inserted his dick in little ids | Mar 11 21:11 |
| schestowitz | *kids | Mar 11 21:11 |
| schestowitz | admitted it on chat | Mar 11 21:12 |
| schestowitz | with FBI agent | Mar 11 21:12 |
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| Ariadne | what makes it qanon is the hypocrisy | Mar 11 21:12 |
| CrystalMath | GNUAnon | Mar 11 21:12 |
| schestowitz | oh, please.. | Mar 11 21:12 |
| Ariadne | because you slag a microsoft sex offender | Mar 11 21:12 |
| Ariadne | but then defend a wikileaks sex offender and a tor sex offender | Mar 11 21:12 |
| schestowitz | here we go again | Mar 11 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: Assange has never even been accused of anything this serious | Mar 11 21:13 |
| Ariadne | if assange worked for microsoft, you would slag him | Mar 11 21:13 |
| Ariadne | if applebaum worked for microsoft, you would slag him | Mar 11 21:13 |
| Ariadne | i am just saying | Mar 11 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: maybe, why not? it's Assange's other actions that make him a hero | Mar 11 21:13 |
| Ariadne | but, because they are on the "right team", you do not | Mar 11 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | he's not defined by his few faults | Mar 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | this is pointless to even have a chat over, as it presumes I said things I did not | Mar 11 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | he's defined by his greatness in other areas | Mar 11 21:14 |
| Ariadne | a person is defined by both their virtues *and* faults | Mar 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | and eggs me on to attack wikileaks | Mar 11 21:14 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: everyone has both, but some how more of one and less of the other | Mar 11 21:14 |
| CrystalMath | Assange is more good than bad, while Microsoft Peter (whoever that is) is more bad than good | Mar 11 21:14 |
| Ariadne | is he? | Mar 11 21:14 |
| Ariadne | that is a subjective comparison | Mar 11 21:14 |
| CrystalMath | well i know about Assange for sure | Mar 11 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indirectly, Wikileaks is responsible for destabilizing western democracies, much of the damage done by the Coronavirus, and creating openings for the Russians and the Chinese Communist Party to take advantage of the chaos. | Mar 11 21:14 |
| techrights-bot | #google money in #ScummVM https://www.scummvm.org/news/20210311/ | Mar 11 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scummvm.org | ScummVM :: Home | Mar 11 21:15 | |
| Ariadne | it would be nice to have a techrights that discusses software patents and other tangible attacks on software freedom | Mar 11 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They helped to make it possible for utterly incompetent people like Trump and Boris Johnson to take over and wreck the economy and screw up the handling of the pandemic. | Mar 11 21:15 |
| CrystalMath | destabilizing western democracies by showing their people that their governments are the worst scum imaginable | Mar 11 21:15 |
| Ariadne | instead of covering rapists | Mar 11 21:15 |
| Ariadne | in either a pro or con way | Mar 11 21:15 |
| CrystalMath | sounds like it tried to FIX western "democracies" | Mar 11 21:15 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: a subjective opinion | Mar 11 21:16 |
| MinceR | what if rapists conduct attacks on software freedom? are they do be ignored? | Mar 11 21:16 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: it's not subjective, Chelsea Manning released a video | Mar 11 21:16 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: there's nothing subjective about america being a criminal piece of crap | Mar 11 21:16 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: then cover their attacks on software freedom | Mar 11 21:16 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Journalist Andrea Sahouri, Arrested at #BlackLivesMatter Protest in Iowa, Found Not Guilty of 'Bogus Charges' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/10/journalist-andrea-sahouri-arrested-black-lives-matter-protest-iowa-found-not-guilty | Mar 11 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Journalist Andrea Sahouri, Arrested at Black Lives Matter Protest in Iowa, Found Not Guilty of 'Bogus Charges' | Common Dreams News | Mar 11 21:16 | |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: it's an objective fact, every tax dollar you paid was used to murder innocent children, i don't know how you even live with yourself | Mar 11 21:16 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: are you saying microsoft peter's attacks on software freedom were not covered? | Mar 11 21:17 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: if there was justice in the world, every american would be struck down with lightning from the heavens | Mar 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | [21:16] <MinceR> what if rapists conduct attacks on software freedom? are they do be ignored? | Mar 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | it is not that | Mar 11 21:17 |
| MinceR | only the americans? | Mar 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | it's the subject being brought up | Mar 11 21:17 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: "every tax dollar you paid was used to murder innocent children" is exaggerated outrage | Mar 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | to divide and rule | Mar 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | as we've long witnessed | Mar 11 21:18 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: like every other government, the US has a budget | Mar 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | esp. since the Google troll joined this IRC channel | Mar 11 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Moderna expects early efficacy data on Covid-19 vaccine booster by May" | Mar 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | to disrupt discussions about topics such as privacy | Mar 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | back doors | Mar 11 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do we even know that this thing needs a booster at this point? | Mar 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Wikileaks | Mar 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | they change the subject | Mar 11 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody even knows how long the protection from the original shots lasts. | Mar 11 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or if they're still acceptable against what versions of the virus. | Mar 11 21:18 |
| MinceR | are we to pretend that SJWs that attack software freedom are morally perfect people? | Mar 11 21:18 |
| Ariadne | i am pretty sure mjg59's google affiliation has nothing to do with his presence here | Mar 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat and Google sponsored him | Mar 11 21:19 |
| Ariadne | as i understand it, he is in a relationship with one of the people who ioerror raped | Mar 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | they define him | Mar 11 21:19 |
| Ariadne | and does not appreciate your defense of ioerror | Mar 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I reprinted an article | Mar 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | about debian | Mar 11 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | wikileaks did not do enough, but it at least started something | Mar 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I did not bring this up here | Mar 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | he did | Mar 11 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | i hope that the entire west crumbles to dust | Mar 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | to help his war to destpory wikileaks | Mar 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | a longtime arch-enemy of Google | Mar 11 21:20 |
| Ariadne | i... do not think he cares about wikileaks | Mar 11 21:20 |
| Ariadne | but ok :D | Mar 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ | Mar 11 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It Seems | Mar 11 21:20 | |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: because you'd prefer for vlad to take over the world? | Mar 11 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's interesting that all of these people said Trump would pardon them and then he didn't. | Mar 11 21:20 |
| MinceR | come to hungary, he already owns hungary | Mar 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that's a false dichotomy | Mar 11 21:20 |
| Ariadne | you have a world-view that everyone who works for a company buys in 100% on whatever that company's political agenda is | Mar 11 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was actually Obama that commuted the sentence of Manning. | Mar 11 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: i said "if" :P | Mar 11 21:20 |
| Ariadne | i assure you, that's not reality | Mar 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | playing into this idea that wikileaks if "for russia" | Mar 11 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: and yeah many were disappointed, but what can you do, Trump's always been a Trump first person after all | Mar 11 21:21 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: maybe they shouldn't support russia then | Mar 11 21:21 |
| Ariadne | if someone were to read #techrights IRC and only #techrights IRC, they would conclude that microsoft executives are having secret meetings at bill gates mansion with a pedophile to destroy software freedom and GNU/Linux | Mar 11 21:21 |
| MinceR | or the Moscovian Candidate | Mar 11 21:21 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: are you sure that it would be Vlad? he'd have to at least split the world with China | Mar 11 21:21 |
| Ariadne | which is definitely not true | Mar 11 21:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they support Green Party (at least Assange did) | Mar 11 21:22 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: is red china better? | Mar 11 21:22 |
| schestowitz | in the US they equate voting Green with "russia" | Mar 11 21:22 |
| Ariadne | so yes, i stand by my position that this group is moving down the path to QAnon land | Mar 11 21:22 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: so, did the green party win thanks to their actions in 2016? | Mar 11 21:22 |
| schestowitz | to keep corporate parties in power | Mar 11 21:22 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: and what about the former west? it could reinvent itself in a different way, which doesn't kill people, and become a third contender (albeit weaker because of all the years building an empire on top of the bodies of innocent children) | Mar 11 21:22 |
| MinceR | yes, it could | Mar 11 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: not even remotely connected | Mar 11 21:22 |
| MinceR | but we'd have to kill so many "conservatives" to make that happen... | Mar 11 21:22 |
| schestowitz | talking about superpowers and political parties is on topic | Mar 11 21:23 |
| Ariadne | sure | Mar 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | and the discussion here has been reasonable | Mar 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | and we come from many places | Mar 11 21:23 |
| Ariadne | i'm not sure i agree | Mar 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Balkan, Hungary, US, UK... | Mar 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | some experiences soviety oppression, some still do | Mar 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | some had the US bomb their country | Mar 11 21:24 |
| CrystalMath | some had both | Mar 11 21:24 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Mar 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 11 21:24 |
| CrystalMath | like me | Mar 11 21:24 |
| Ariadne | as i said, the average person who reads techrights coverage without reading other coverage would conclude that microsoft executives are having secret meetings with a pedophile in bill gates' mansion | Mar 11 21:24 |
| Ariadne | to destroy gnu/linux | Mar 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | no | Mar 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | how they read it is another thing | Mar 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | if their minds are preconditioned | Mar 11 21:24 |
| Ariadne | that is how it is presented | Mar 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | I'm not responsible for it | Mar 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | and I wrote a dozen articles to explain that | Mar 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | people who misrepresent the site | Mar 11 21:25 |
| Ariadne | the daily mail is not responsible for what it publishes too, i guess | Mar 11 21:25 |
| schestowitz | it publishes falsehoods | Mar 11 21:25 |
| schestowitz | we do not | Mar 11 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | i can imagine it, they all gather, pour children's blood into cups and have a toast to their plans to destroy GNU | Mar 11 21:25 |
| Ariadne | a technicality | Mar 11 21:25 |
| schestowitz | those are false comparisons | Mar 11 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | then they have a typical villian maniacal laugh | Mar 11 21:25 |
| schestowitz | like the earlier straw man argument, "work for Microsoft" or "Starve to death" | Mar 11 21:25 |
| Ariadne | what you publish is that a microsoft employee did evil things | Mar 11 21:26 |
| Ariadne | and then is also a pedophile | Mar 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: GNU is already harmed | Mar 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | but it carries on | Mar 11 21:26 |
| Ariadne | but you wouldn't publish that assange did great things and is a womanizer | Mar 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | because many people care about GNU | Mar 11 21:26 |
| MinceR | destroying GNU and Linux is not their endgame | Mar 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | it's the original cornerstone of copyleft | Mar 11 21:26 |
| Ariadne | you also wouldn't publish that applebaum did great things and is also accused of being a rapist | Mar 11 21:26 |
| Ariadne | its a double standard | Mar 11 21:26 |
| MinceR | rather, a global empire where we're all their slaves is | Mar 11 21:26 |
| Ariadne | is my point | Mar 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: we cover Microsoft | Mar 11 21:27 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i'm sure techrights did news on him | Mar 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | we're a tech site | Mar 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | wikileaks is poltitics | Mar 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | mostly | Mar 11 21:27 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: about the allegations and his tor work | Mar 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | so why would I cover microsoft more? Because, duh | Mar 11 21:27 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: what does somebody being a pedophile have to do with technology? | Mar 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | we started as a site with a campaign against Microsoft patent blackmail | Mar 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | they still do it | Mar 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | 15 years later | Mar 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | like Foxconn taken to court | Mar 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | over chromeOS | Mar 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | so the issues are not tackled of solved | Mar 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | we now have even more issues | Mar 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | like github | Mar 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | and entryism | Mar 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | LF etc. | Mar 11 21:28 |
| Ariadne | how does covering that a microsoft employee is a pedophile solve the foxconn patent trolling issue? | Mar 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | they boost agenda | Mar 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | in the media | Mar 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | I can get you rfes on Microsoft Peter | Mar 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | he was mentioned LOADs of times before the arrest | Mar 11 21:28 |
| Ariadne | i can look up his court records | Mar 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | he was here in IRC sometimes | Mar 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | trying to troll us | Mar 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | or muzzle us | Mar 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: go ahead | Mar 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | it's on record | Mar 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | he said gross things in court | Mar 11 21:29 |
| *psydroid thinks that whoever wants to work for Microsoft, should work for them, and that the same thing applies to Google, IBM, Facebook etc. | Mar 11 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | like "double fisting' | Mar 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | enjoy the reading | Mar 11 21:29 |
| Ariadne | so the answer is you don't have an answer for how covering that somebody is a sex offender benefits software freedom, right? | Mar 11 21:29 |
| Ariadne | this is what i am trying to get to | Mar 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | it does | Mar 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | it's relevant | Mar 11 21:29 |
| Ariadne | why? | Mar 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | because that site crushed | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Ars is nearly dead now | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | many left after this | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft has a hand in Peter | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | fiurativelty | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | for 10 years | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | the Open Source section there was 100% him | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | all Microsoft lies | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | until his arrest | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | and we captured there | Mar 11 21:30 |
| Ariadne | i see | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's capture of media is on topic | Mar 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | did you know who funded Ars Technica UK? | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | their editor told me | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Sebastian | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | it collapsed later | Mar 11 21:31 |
| Ariadne | yes, that is on topic | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | we covered that | Mar 11 21:31 |
| Ariadne | what i am saying is | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | we covered MANY things about Peter | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | many 100 articles mention him | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | the arrest was reported to me by a Red Hat employee | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | whom I won't name | Mar 11 21:31 |
| Ariadne | you've run numerous stories defending applebaum from rape allegations, but do not extend the same courtesy to the microsoft person | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | they too had him flagged | Mar 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I reposted some things about him, yes | Mar 11 21:32 |
| MinceR | let microsoft defend him | Mar 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | speak to the author | Mar 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | i resposted almost all his articles | Mar 11 21:32 |
| Ariadne | do you understand the dissonance here? | Mar 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | except ones too 'unsavory' to my judgement | Mar 11 21:32 |
| MinceR | they're the ones whose narrative is that everyone who disagrees with them is evil | Mar 11 21:32 |
| Ariadne | the truth is valuable to you when it is someone you want to attack | Mar 11 21:32 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: Appelbaum good, Microsoft bad | Mar 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | no | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Micrfosoftg on topic | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Wikileaks not | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | we used wikileaks | Mar 11 21:33 |
| MinceR | they're the ones who bragged about managing to force a CoC into Linux | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | for tech only | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Cablegate | Mar 11 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cablegate - Techrights | Mar 11 21:33 | |
| CrystalMath | wait why is wikileaks not on topic? they're great | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | see the trend | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | articles about tech | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | mostly microsoft | Mar 11 21:33 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: applebaum's work is good, applebaum's interpersonal behavior is not | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I don't care about the private lives, I need the leaks | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | the leaked material | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | so we can see how Gates was attacking OLPC | Mar 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | with his fake 'charity' | Mar 11 21:33 |
| Ariadne | if we are criticising a microsoft person for being a pedophile rapist, then we should also criticize applebaum for being a rapist | Mar 11 21:34 |
| schestowitz | we're 100% consistent on this | Mar 11 21:34 |
| Ariadne | that would be the consistent position | Mar 11 21:34 |
| schestowitz | to clarify, we cover tech issues | Mar 11 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: are they consistent? | Mar 11 21:34 |
| schestowitz | not so much politics, unless it relates to texch | Mar 11 21:34 |
| schestowitz | like Trump committing political crimes he planned with Microsoft over the telephone | Mar 11 21:34 |
| schestowitz | for financial gain and technical harm | Mar 11 21:35 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: only the people microsoft press criticizes for being rapists should be known to be rapists? | Mar 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | totally, 100% on topic | Mar 11 21:35 |
| MinceR | (if you can call them "press"...) | Mar 11 21:35 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: the stories about applebaum can be easily corroborated | Mar 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | like I said, I'm 100% without regrets on this | Mar 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | we covered what needed to be covered | Mar 11 21:35 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: ah, ok, then i guess it's time to give up on free software and see if microsoft will hire us | Mar 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | when we covered elections and suggested voting biden we rationalised re patent law and tech policy | Mar 11 21:36 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: no? | Mar 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I still think we did a good job on key topics | Mar 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | the gates arrest thing relates to the RMS smears | Mar 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | because they coincided in time | Mar 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | as I warned him over email | Mar 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | days before he was smeared in the media | Mar 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | and a week or so after the MIT scandal was all bill gates | Mar 11 21:37 |
| Ariadne | the RMS smears happened because RMS decided to make an ass of himself on a mailing list with MIT and Harvard students on it | Mar 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | right now it seems like Microsoft-connected media distracts from Exchange | Mar 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | by attacking Linux | Mar 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | with some phony non-story | Mar 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | No, the RMS angle was promoted at a particular time | Mar 11 21:37 |
| MinceR | RMS decided to speak out something non-tech-related | Mar 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | when MIT needed more scapegoating | Mar 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | to protect funding sources and PR | Mar 11 21:38 |
| Ariadne | anyway, public leaders should learn the art of shutting the fuck up | Mar 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he always does | Mar 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | every day in his site | Mar 11 21:38 |
| Ariadne | there would be far less "canceling" if they would do so | Mar 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | and since the redmond mafia were opposed to him, this made it right to cancel him | Mar 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | nothing new | Mar 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | but suddenly it became a bigger issue | Mar 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:38] <Ariadne> anyway, public leaders should learn the art of shutting the fuck up | Mar 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | but if someone on microsoft's side does something problematic, let's all just stay silent and pretend nothing happened | Mar 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | not a good policy | Mar 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | and wait for our turn to be cancelled | Mar 11 21:38 |
| Ariadne | microsoft had nothing to do with the students being pissed and that one girl writing a medium post | Mar 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | that's the idea of apathy | Mar 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | "following orders" | Mar 11 21:39 |
| MinceR | what could possibly go wrong? | Mar 11 21:39 |
| schestowitz | we need more speech, not less | Mar 11 21:39 |
| MinceR | yeah, they also had nothing to do about SJW trolls attacking Linux, except when they admitted it | Mar 11 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: the media that propped up her claims also distorted what he had actually said | Mar 11 21:39 |
| Ariadne | freedom of speech does not imply freedom of consequence | Mar 11 21:39 |
| schestowitz | and then the anti-RMS camp posted fake door signs and stuff | Mar 11 21:39 |
| MinceR | it apparently doesn't imply anything anymore | Mar 11 21:39 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: those signs are real | Mar 11 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ | Mar 11 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights | Mar 11 21:39 | |
| schestowitz | no | Mar 11 21:39 |
| schestowitz | they're fake | Mar 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | you fell for it | Mar 11 21:40 |
| Ariadne | i've literally been there and seen them | Mar 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | he didn't make them | Mar 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | it was a prank on him | Mar 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | said his female colleague | Mar 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | he removed that | Mar 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | read her | Mar 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | don't get facts from "wteets" | Mar 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | this is why I quit twitter last year | Mar 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ | Mar 11 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where ‘Cancel Culture’ Thrives | Techrights | Mar 11 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | lies travel fast in twitter | Mar 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | and never get deleted/corrected | Mar 11 21:41 |
| Ariadne | oh, that sign | Mar 11 21:41 |
| Ariadne | yes, that sign is fake | Mar 11 21:41 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ While Democrats Pass Stimulus, Republicans Unveil Estate Tax Repeal for Top 0.1% https://truthout.org/articles/while-democrats-pass-stimulus-republicans-unveil-estate-tax-repeal-for-top-0-1/ | Mar 11 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | While Democrats Pass Stimulus, Republicans Unveil Estate Tax Repeal for Top 0.1% | Mar 11 21:41 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Pensioners, Labor Groups Applaud Key $86 Billion Provision in Covid-19 Relief Package https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/10/pensioners-labor-groups-applaud-key-86-billion-provision-covid-19-relief-package | Mar 11 21:41 |
| Ariadne | but it is not fake that women in the MIT and Harvard community avoided RMS | Mar 11 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Pensioners, Labor Groups Applaud Key $86 Billion Provision in Covid-19 Relief Package | Common Dreams News | Mar 11 21:41 | |
| Ariadne | that is 100% true | Mar 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | they had a run on him in 2009 | Mar 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | with the "emacs virgin" thing | Mar 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | virgins can be male | Mar 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | it's always a bunch of baloney | Mar 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | they just don't like his views on things | Mar 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | and want to create a vacuum | Mar 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | not atypical | Mar 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | this is why many people still feel angry at FSF | Mar 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | and seek to correct an injustice | Mar 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | [21:41] <Ariadne> but it is not fake that women in the MIT and Harvard community avoided RMS | Mar 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | that doesn't mean much | Mar 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | many people can avoid me also | Mar 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | doesn't say much about me | Mar 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | odd angle of accusation | Mar 11 21:43 |
| MinceR | i avoid some people also, and that has no effect either | Mar 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | "he looked at me funny" | Mar 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | as cops like to say about blacks | Mar 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | "he walked awkward" | Mar 11 21:43 |
| Ariadne | i see | Mar 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | "smelled funny" | Mar 11 21:44 |
| MinceR | other people deserve special rights, we do not | Mar 11 21:44 |
| MinceR | apparently | Mar 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | maybe RMS has reasons to be disliked | Mar 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | but so does everyone | Mar 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | we need to view people as fellow humans | Mar 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | and motivations matter | Mar 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | truth does, too | Mar 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | to profit some people lie | Mar 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | to us, to themselves | Mar 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | and deny others their freedom to make a buck | Mar 11 21:45 |
| Ariadne | so reporting that one person is a pedophile rapist, while not reporting that another person is a rapist accomplishes this how? | Mar 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | sweatshop, sabotage of projects etc. | Mar 11 21:45 |
| MinceR | apparently the only thing that matters anymore is who can cancel or otherwise harm other people | Mar 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | those of us with more compassion would not do that | Mar 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | as it leads to guilt | Mar 11 21:45 |
| MinceR | "consequences" | Mar 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | some people blocked out guilt | Mar 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | so they destroy society for gain | Mar 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: you change the subject to something old | Mar 11 21:46 |
| Ariadne | what about compassion for the people ioerror raped? | Mar 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | and a strawman argument | Mar 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | it's being brought up all the time not by us | Mar 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | because pocock correctly pointed us that zini said to the media something false | Mar 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | on behalf of debian project | Mar 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm not Daniel | Mar 11 21:46 |
| Ariadne | it is brought up by you when you republish materials defending ioerror | Mar 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm Roy | Mar 11 21:46 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: cancel them too | Mar 11 21:46 |
| MinceR | call it "consequences" | Mar 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | and I agree with Daniel on most things | Mar 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: we need leeway for free speech | Mar 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Daniel was denied a voice | Mar 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | not because of crimes | Mar 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | but because at FSFE he was honest to Fellows | Mar 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | who elected him for it | Mar 11 21:47 |
| MinceR | too bad | Mar 11 21:47 |
| MinceR | we don't get that | Mar 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | as they had paid a portion of their salary | Mar 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | to a body steered by Google et al | Mar 11 21:48 |
| MinceR | we get quote mined and cancelled | Mar 11 21:48 |
| MinceR | that is our lot | Mar 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | and later at Debian the admins hide a $300,000 payment from Google | Mar 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | he knows Google very well | Mar 11 21:48 |
| psydroid | <MinceR "apparently the only thing that m"> a modern disease that sadly pervades our societies these days, what is the solution? a giant meteor to hit us and clean up the mess that has been created? | Mar 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | he volunteered to mentor in GSOC for many years | Mar 11 21:48 |
| Ariadne | so | Mar 11 21:48 |
| Ariadne | again | Mar 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | and I want to hear what he saw there | Mar 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | it's important | Mar 11 21:48 |
| Ariadne | what about compassion for the FREE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS that ioerror raped | Mar 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | as many things aren't what they seem from the company's lens | Mar 11 21:48 |
| MinceR | psydroid: yes, or a gamma ray burst | Mar 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it's cyclic | Mar 11 21:49 |
| MinceR | humanity won't save itself, so it can't be saved | Mar 11 21:49 |
| schestowitz | I'm not with a burden to defend Appelbaum | Mar 11 21:49 |
| MinceR | maybe intelligent life gets another chance to evolve here | Mar 11 21:49 |
| schestowitz | it's like 'when did you stop beating up your wwife..." | Mar 11 21:49 |
| schestowitz | I won't even respond to such a question | Mar 11 21:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that is part of the isue | Mar 11 21:50 |
| schestowitz | overstretching | Mar 11 21:50 |
| schestowitz | an issue broader than software | Mar 11 21:50 |
| schestowitz | some people have 6 aircrafts | Mar 11 21:50 |
| schestowitz | 4 jets | Mar 11 21:50 |
| schestowitz | and lecture us on climate change | Mar 11 21:50 |
| MinceR | i don't take issue with that | Mar 11 21:50 |
| schestowitz | that relates to tech | Mar 11 21:50 |
| MinceR | i take issue with whom they defrauded to get that | Mar 11 21:50 |
| schestowitz | because those same people attack us | Mar 11 21:50 |
| schestowitz | people who break things | Mar 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | to get richer | Mar 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | and then lecture us | Mar 11 21:51 |
| Ariadne | well, my thing is simple, some of the people who were raped by ioerror are friends of mine | Mar 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | because 'good at stealing" is smart when you also pay the media | Mar 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: so speak to Daniel | Mar 11 21:51 |
| Ariadne | so yes, i would like to see him no longer in the free software community, since he is a predator | Mar 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | or to Zini | Mar 11 21:51 |
| Ariadne | i consider this a feature, not a bug | Mar 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I never defended him | Mar 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | you won't find an article about him | Mar 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | in techrights | Mar 11 21:52 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't worry about that | Mar 11 21:52 |
| MinceR | there won't be a "free software community" for long | Mar 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | it would be off topic too | Mar 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | there is | Mar 11 21:52 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: You keep suggesting that criticism of Jake was motivated by politics | Mar 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | but it's getting attacked | Mar 11 21:52 |
| MinceR | yes, for now | Mar 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | divide and rule is one tactic | Mar 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | it can be done by social engineering | Mar 11 21:52 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: In doing so, you imply that that criticism is invalid | Mar 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | e.g. bsd vs gpl | Mar 11 21:52 |
| MinceR | it's self-destructing already | Mar 11 21:52 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: It is *absolutely* you defending him | Mar 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | fake ethics versus software freedom | Mar 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | the british empire used those tactics | Mar 11 21:53 |
| MinceR | people inside the community believe microshit's lies about how microshit is on their side | Mar 11 21:53 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: What I criticised was not Daniel's article, it was your framing of Daniel's article | Mar 11 21:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: some, not all | Mar 11 21:53 |
| schestowitz | but then you rebut | Mar 11 21:53 |
| schestowitz | eg. in techrights | Mar 11 21:53 |
| schestowitz | and they see evidence that the media is just paid to lie aagin | Mar 11 21:53 |
| schestowitz | and then they get on with the real program, not corporate propaganda | Mar 11 21:54 |
| Ariadne | http://techrights.org/2021/01/27/what-justice-looks-like/ | Mar 11 21:54 |
| schestowitz | like the like that VS is not "open" | Mar 11 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Showing Solidarity With FSFE Survivors | Techrights | Mar 11 21:54 | |
| Ariadne | you literally defend applebaum here | Mar 11 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: ?? | Mar 11 21:54 |
| schestowitz | not my article | Mar 11 21:54 |
| schestowitz | holy crap | Mar 11 21:54 |
| mjg59 | Not your article, but an article you chose to publish | Mar 11 21:55 |
| schestowitz | guilt by association, where "guilt" means not denying someone an (as usual) repost, is a low blow. | Mar 11 21:55 |
| Ariadne | oh, i see, written by "Guest Editorial Team" | Mar 11 21:55 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 11 21:55 |
| schestowitz | for a reason | Mar 11 21:55 |
| Ariadne | but you published it anyway | Mar 11 21:55 |
| schestowitz | judge me by what I say | Mar 11 21:55 |
| mjg59 | The reason being? | Mar 11 21:55 |
| schestowitz | even in IRC | Mar 11 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I always do | Mar 11 21:55 |
| schestowitz | to not publish would be borderline censorship | Mar 11 21:56 |
| mjg59 | Oh cool! | Mar 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | and we publish views of many | Mar 11 21:56 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: You'll publish anything I write, then? | Mar 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | even RMS defended us | Mar 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | this year | Mar 11 21:56 |
| Ariadne | ioerror has a history of predating on *free software developers*, some of which have decided to stop developing free software as a result of their experiences | Mar 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | by saying that even newspaper publish diverse viewpoints | Mar 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | and here again we talk about someone I never met | Mar 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | and whom I barely know | Mar 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | see ya guys later | Mar 11 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I need to post Daily Links | Mar 11 21:57 |
| schestowitz | not deal with "did you stop beating up your wife?" mob | Mar 11 21:57 |
| Ariadne | by choosing to publish articles written by guest contributors defending ioerror, you are actively harming software freedom | Mar 11 21:57 |
| Ariadne | because it demotivates people who are doing the actual work of writing the code | Mar 11 21:57 |
| Ariadne | because they do not wish to be in the same community as a rapist | Mar 11 21:57 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to MinceR | Mar 11 21:59 | |
| mjg59 | Ariadne: Especially one who is defended by many other members of that community | Mar 11 21:59 |
| mjg59 | Anyway, looking forward to writing something to get published on Techrights! | Mar 11 22:00 |
| MinceR | what will it be about? will it be about how everybody who wants to have control about what runs on their own computers are rapists? | Mar 11 22:02 |
| techrights-bot | LF and #Openwashing • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148706 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LF and Openwashing | Tux Machines | Mar 11 22:02 | |
| psydroid | maybe a non-rapist free software community can be set up alongside a rapist free software community, so everyone can contribute regardless of their preferences | Mar 11 22:02 |
| MinceR | maybe we could also have a non-SJW non-megacorporate free software community too | Mar 11 22:03 |
| techrights-bot | #Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148707 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 11 22:03 | |
| psydroid | yes, I am all for that | Mar 11 22:03 |
| mjg59 | psydroid: Given that most people aren't rapists, the easiest way to achieve that seems to be to remove the rapists from the existing free software community and let them set up their own | Mar 11 22:04 |
| Ariadne | anyway, it is increasingly frustrating to me that techrights continues to disseminate content which defends somebody who raped my friends | Mar 11 22:08 |
| techrights-bot | #GNULinux Devices and #OpenHardware • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148708 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux Devices and Open Hardware | Tux Machines | Mar 11 22:09 | |
| Ariadne | i believe in freedom of speech, but at the same time, i am growing very tired about it | Mar 11 22:09 |
| techrights-bot | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148709 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Mar 11 22:10 | |
| techrights-bot | Links 11/3/2021: #MediaGoblin 0.11.0, #OVHcloud Evaporated in #Strasbourg • 𝕿𝖊𝖈𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙𝖘 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/mediagoblin-0-11-0/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/mediagoblin-0-11-0/ | Mar 11 22:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 11/3/2021: MediaGoblin 0.11.0, OVHcloud Evaporated in Strasbourg | Techrights | Mar 11 22:15 | |
| psydroid | while I don't condone his behaviour if it is true, I hate the fact that all of these things are weaponised when the focus should be on software freedom and engineering | Mar 11 22:18 |
| techrights-bot | #Security updates for Thursday https://lwn.net/Articles/849088/rss | Mar 11 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Security updates for Thursday [LWN.net] | Mar 11 22:18 | |
| psydroid | maybe we are long past the point of no return | Mar 11 22:19 |
| techrights-bot | #AsahiLinux Progress Report: January / February 2021 https://asahilinux.org/2021/03/progress-report-january-february-2021/ #gnu #linux | Mar 11 22:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-asahilinux.org | Progress Report: January / February 2021 - Asahi Linux | Mar 11 22:20 | |
| vmg3 | freedom of speech is a minefield, something i believed in, then you see what some people do with. meh, should there be a respect clause? | Mar 11 22:20 |
| techrights-bot | What Is #LVFS and How Do I Use It? - Make Tech Easier ⇨ https://www.maketecheasier.com/what-is-lvfs/ •●• #maketecheasier | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/11/#latest | Mar 11 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | What Is LVFS and How Do I Use It? - Make Tech Easier | Mar 11 22:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Mar 11 22:21 | |
| Ariadne | psydroid: this is my point precisely: why cover this stuff at all? it is not a win-win, it is a lose-lose. | Mar 11 22:25 |
| techrights-bot | Copy Files And Create Target Directories At The Same Time - OSTechNix ⇨ https://ostechnix.com/copy-files-and-create-target-directories-at-the-same-time/ •●• #OSTechNix #GNU #Linux | Mar 11 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Copy Files And Create Target Directories At The Same Time - OSTechNix | Mar 11 22:26 | |
| techrights-bot | Setting up your Linux OS for productive work • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148710 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Setting up your Linux OS for productive work | Tux Machines | Mar 11 22:26 | |
| techrights-bot | A Quick Introduction To #fzf (Interactive Command-Line Fuzzy Finder) • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148711 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Quick Introduction To fzf (Interactive Command-Line Fuzzy Finder) | Tux Machines | Mar 11 22:27 | |
| vmg3 | assange was never even charged by the way, just wanted for questioning | Mar 11 22:27 |
| Ariadne | i'm focusing on applebaum | Mar 11 22:27 |
| Ariadne | but assange was known in indymedia community to be a womanizer (: | Mar 11 22:28 |
| vmg3 | Ariadne: yeah not my area sorry | Mar 11 22:28 |
| vmg3 | yeah so was half of hollywood | Mar 11 22:28 |
| vmg3 | clark gable a tasmanian hero and icon | Mar 11 22:28 |
| Ariadne | half of hollywood did not participate in indymedia | Mar 11 22:28 |
| Ariadne | :P | Mar 11 22:28 |
| techrights-bot | Sometimes your acronyms and buzzwords sound so awful that you need iodine :-) https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/managed-cloud-hosting-paas-giveaway/ | Mar 11 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Managed Cloud Hosting (PaaS) Giveaway - RoseHosting | Mar 11 22:28 | |
| vmg3 | I was just exercising my opinion | Mar 11 22:29 |
| vmg3 | tricky area | Mar 11 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Most of them are also "carny" | Mar 11 22:30 |
| Ariadne | it's not tricky. stop publishing articles discussing applebaum | Mar 11 22:30 |
| Ariadne | pocock has his own website | Mar 11 22:30 |
| vmg3 | when i did FB and their groups I'd find myself being sucked into rw groups | Mar 11 22:30 |
| MinceR | is womanizing a cancelworthy offense? | Mar 11 22:30 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: if the womanizing turns to rape, sure | Mar 11 22:31 |
| MinceR | whom did assange rape? | Mar 11 22:31 |
| Ariadne | i don't know, and thus i am not going to comment on hypotheticals | Mar 11 22:31 |
| Ariadne | in case you did not know, i only comment on things i have some amount of knowledge about | Mar 11 22:32 |
| vmg3 | schestowitz: liked your comment about "humans" earlier thats where people go wrong most times | Mar 11 22:32 |
| techrights-bot | "By default, openSUSE Leap 15.x is using the firewalld firewall implementation (and the firewalld backend is using iptables under the hood)." https://progress.opensuse.org/news/112 | Mar 11 22:32 |
| Ariadne | i can corroborate the applebaum accusations, but not anything against assange | Mar 11 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-progress.opensuse.org | Playing along with NFTables - openSUSE admin - openSUSE Project Management Tool | Mar 11 22:32 | |
| techrights-bot | ASCII Table – Hex to #ASCII Value Character Code Chart ⇨ https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/ascii-table-hex-to-ascii-value-character-code-chart-2/ •●• #freecodecamp | Mar 11 22:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freecodecamp.org | ASCII Table – Hex to ASCII Value Character Code Chart | Mar 11 22:33 | |
| Ariadne | at least one of the accusers is an alpine contributor | Mar 11 22:34 |
| Ariadne | sooooo | Mar 11 22:34 |
| vmg3 | I can understand the frustration when you know people first hand | Mar 11 22:35 |
| techrights-bot | Do we really want to attach cameras that a device that spies for #microsoft (because Microsoft pays for that?) https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/11/thine-raspberry-pi-camera-extension-kit-works-with-20-meter-lan-cables/ http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/raspberry-pi-making-things-worse/ | Mar 11 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | THine Raspberry Pi camera extension kit works with 20-meter LAN cables | Mar 11 22:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Than a Fortnight After Installing Microsoft Surveillance and Keys on Millions of Computers Without Users’ Consent the Spin Comes From the Raspberry Pi Company (via Microsoft) | Techrights | Mar 11 22:36 | |
| Ariadne | well, bluntly, that frustration is starting to turn into a desire to type in "int vl 214; shut" into the router | Mar 11 22:36 |
| Ariadne | but that too (disabling the techrights vlan), harms software freedom | Mar 11 22:38 |
| vmg3 | sorry to hear | Mar 11 22:38 |
| vmg3 | yeah | Mar 11 22:38 |
| vmg3 | as you get older to views change too | Mar 11 22:39 |
| vmg3 | more conservitive | Mar 11 22:39 |
| techrights-bot | An open approach to recovering from burnout https://opensource.com/open-organization/21/3/open-approach-burnout | Mar 11 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open approach to recovering from burnout | Opensource.com | Mar 11 22:40 | |
| schestowitz | every 2 people on this planet will always not be 100% in cohesion | Mar 11 22:42 |
| schestowitz | we make the planet better by learning to get along with differences on minor things | Mar 11 22:42 |
| vmg3 | we need to flesh out the things we dont understand | Mar 11 22:42 |
| Ariadne | i cannot get along with a defense of somebody who raped friends of mine | Mar 11 22:42 |
| Ariadne | that is the boundary i cannot live with | Mar 11 22:43 |
| schestowitz | that is not even a disagreement with me | Mar 11 22:43 |
| schestowitz | but with Daniel Pocock | Mar 11 22:43 |
| techrights-bot | 4 questions for the #OSI board of directors candidates • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148712 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 22:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4 questions for the OSI board of directors candidates | Tux Machines | Mar 11 22:43 | |
| Ariadne | indeed | Mar 11 22:43 |
| vmg3 | I'm not the shapest tool in the shed, but can see opensource is under attack | Mar 11 22:44 |
| Ariadne | but techrights could be more sympathetic towards the free software developers raped by ioerror | Mar 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | let's let some time pass, Ariadne, and we can talk off-channel | Mar 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | to clarify my positions | Mar 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | there is at least one person parked here in IRC for the sole purpose of attacking me | Mar 11 22:44 |
| Ariadne | to be clear, i agree with some things pocock has said | Mar 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | by intentionally distorting my views | Mar 11 22:45 |
| Ariadne | but i do not agree with his defense of ioerror. it is a feature, not a bug, that ioerror is now excluded from the free software community. | Mar 11 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: yes, I will try to bear all this in mind | Mar 11 22:45 |
| schestowitz | thanks for clatifying | Mar 11 22:45 |
| schestowitz | *clarifying | Mar 11 22:45 |
| schestowitz | people's opinions change over time | Mar 11 22:45 |
| schestowitz | based on new info | Mar 11 22:45 |
| Ariadne | i have held the opinion that ioerror is a rapist since 2014 when my friends started to complain about being molested. | Mar 11 22:46 |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148713 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Mar 11 22:46 | |
| Ariadne | which predates the website | Mar 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | thanks for letting me know | Mar 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | as I hadn't heard that before | Mar 11 22:47 |
| Ariadne | i believe it is harmful to software freedom to diseminate materials which defend rapists | Mar 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | i got worse feedback | Mar 11 22:47 |
| Ariadne | especially rapists of people who work on free software | Mar 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | about articles from another guest author | Mar 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | RMS defended me this yeasr | Mar 11 22:48 |
| schestowitz | because he explained that you cannot hold editors accountable for every small thing showing up in a paper | Mar 11 22:48 |
| schestowitz | otherwise it's authoritarian (editorial control I think is what they call it formally) | Mar 11 22:48 |
| Ariadne | if you are a free software contributor who has been raped by ioerror, and you see the activist wing of the community rally behind ioerror and call the whole thing "cancel culture", you would want to quit developing free software | Mar 11 22:48 |
| schestowitz | for 6 months I didn't ban a troll from IRC | Mar 11 22:49 |
| schestowitz | who only ever pounced to attack me | Mar 11 22:49 |
| schestowitz | and the community here | Mar 11 22:49 |
| MinceR | and that was your mistake :> | Mar 11 22:49 |
| Ariadne | i am here for software freedom. i provide infrastructure to techrights for software freedom. | Mar 11 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I didn't defend him | Mar 11 22:49 |
| schestowitz | it's an indirection on two levels | Mar 11 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy's HR person tried to screw him out of his sick pay for the COVID shot. | Mar 11 22:49 |
| schestowitz | I did not even reprint anything from someone accused of sexual misbaheaviour | Mar 11 22:50 |
| Ariadne | i know, but syndicating content which defends him can be seen as solidarity with that defense | Mar 11 22:50 |
| MinceR | on this planet, no good deed goes unpunished | Mar 11 22:50 |
| Ariadne | in indymedia we had to deal with this sort of thing a lot | Mar 11 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to go talk to his boss, and show him the policy. He said Mandy was the first person at the store to get the second dose so it hasn't come up until now. | Mar 11 22:50 |
| schestowitz | many layers of guilt by association here | Mar 11 22:50 |
| psydroid | is a certain troll banned now? | Mar 11 22:50 |
| Ariadne | (by the way the applebaum rape allegations go back even farther in indymedia) | Mar 11 22:50 |
| MinceR | no, they're still here | Mar 11 22:50 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: no, we don't ban | Mar 11 22:50 |
| schestowitz | unless it's spam | Mar 11 22:50 |
| Ariadne | anarchists unfortunately do not like to call the police | Mar 11 22:50 |
| schestowitz | like people posting links to malicious sites of flooding with pharma spam | Mar 11 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <Ariadne "anarchists unfortunately do not "> Experience, perhaps. | Mar 11 22:51 |
| Ariadne | yes, definitely :) | Mar 11 22:51 |
| schestowitz | this channel is 13 years old | Mar 11 22:51 |
| schestowitz | techrights gave a voice to thousands for 15 years | Mar 11 22:51 |
| schestowitz | many of whom brave insiders in places | Mar 11 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't always agree with what I publish | Mar 11 22:51 |
| schestowitz | but i press publish | Mar 11 22:51 |
| Ariadne | yes, and i have no issue with that. i do have issue with applebaum defense. | Mar 11 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody who gets on the wrong side of the police wants anything to do with them again, even if they're the victim. | Mar 11 22:51 |
| schestowitz | that might not be everybody's cup of tea | Mar 11 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cops will either do nothing for them, and that's if they're lucky, or cause a problem that didn't exist before. | Mar 11 22:52 |
| vmg3 | FTP | Mar 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: btw, it's 'appelbaum" | Mar 11 22:52 |
| Ariadne | yes, appelbaum | Mar 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | never met him | Mar 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | never spoke to him | Mar 11 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ask Ian Murdock, oh wait.... | Mar 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | please give up on that notion | Mar 11 22:52 |
| Ariadne | his name gets typo'd a lot | Mar 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | no wonder | Mar 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | and the typos get copies | Mar 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: Murdoch :-) | Mar 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | not the same | Mar 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Mar 11 22:53 |
| vmg3 | easy to join the wrong dots | Mar 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | need to post some urgent artifcle | Mar 11 22:53 |
| psydroid | why appelbaum, though? | Mar 11 22:53 |
| Ariadne | but i can corroborate many of the claims against ioerror, and i know mjg59 can corroborate at least one | Mar 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Mar 11 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock | Mar 11 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ian Murdock - Wikipedia | Mar 11 22:53 | |
| Ariadne | because he is literally in a relationship with one of the accusers who went public | Mar 11 22:53 |
| psydroid | is that some kind of dialect? | Mar 11 22:53 |
| Ariadne | he is not a good person. he did good work, but he has hurt a lot of people | Mar 11 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was more to that than we'll ever know. | Mar 11 22:54 |
| psydroid | apfel + baum | Mar 11 22:54 |
| Ariadne | and i believe allowing that harm to perpetuate in the free software community is harmful to free software | Mar 11 22:54 |
| psydroid | appel + boom | Mar 11 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, remember that he had plenty of money to fight the charges with and settle for something else, and wouldn't have been badly damaged and homeless. | Mar 11 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unlike me. | Mar 11 22:54 |
| Ariadne | it has caused at least a few free software developers to quit | Mar 11 22:54 |
| Ariadne | and if you don't have maintainers with domain expertise, then there's no point in talking about anything else | Mar 11 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rich people have the luxury that even if the cops make a problem for them, a criminal record isn't preventing them from getting a job at Walmart, which might be the only place hiring at their education level, and that they're not in immediate trouble of running out of money in the bank. | Mar 11 22:55 |
| Old_Man | You will probably want to *not* cite mjg59, though, as he has developed a reputation for just making up false accusations according to his brainwashing cult. | Mar 11 22:55 |
| Ariadne | cite whoever you want to cite | Mar 11 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So even if they get convicted of something, it's almost like a joke. Even if it's raping kids, rich people smirk while they're doing whatever nominal "punishment" they got from the court. | Mar 11 22:56 |
| Ariadne | ioerror has done harm to many people in free software | Mar 11 22:56 |
| Ariadne | i stand by it | Mar 11 22:56 |
| techrights-bot | #Intel Sends Out New Linux Driver Patches For "XE_LPD" v13 Display Hardware - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-XE_LPD-Linux-Patches •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | Mar 11 22:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Sends Out New Linux Driver Patches For "XE_LPD" v13 Display Hardware - Phoronix | Mar 11 22:56 | |
| Old_Man | For those of us unaware: was there ever a trial? | Mar 11 22:56 |
| Ariadne | i also stand by the assertion that those harms have caused general harm to free software as well in the form of brain drain | Mar 11 22:56 |
| Ariadne | Old_Man: anarchists rarely call the police | Mar 11 22:57 |
| techrights-bot | #Freedreno #Gallium3D Adds Threaded Context Support - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Freedreno-Threaded-Ctx •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | Mar 11 22:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freedreno Gallium3D Adds Threaded Context Support - Phoronix | Mar 11 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <Old_Man "For those of us unaware: was the"> Trial by media? Trial by public opinion? | Mar 11 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's usually the aim of spurious allegations that never go to trial. | Mar 11 22:57 |
| Old_Man | That's why I ask. If there had been a trial, what evidence would have been presented? | Mar 11 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The damage is done. Just accuse someone of rape these days and if they don't have a really convincing defense, that's all you need. | Mar 11 22:58 |
| MinceR | https://www.oglaf.com/genesis-41/ | Mar 11 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oglaf.com | Genesis 41 | Mar 11 22:58 | |
| techrights-bot | #ibm : pay us money to sort out for you our software bugs https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/simplify-troubleshooting-rhel-system-configurations-red-hat-insights-drift-service | Mar 11 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Simplify troubleshooting RHEL system configurations with Red Hat Insights Drift service | Mar 11 22:58 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of my exes was talking to another ex (horror of horrors, right?). | Mar 11 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Accused me of rape. The other ex laughed like, "He wouldn't do that. I know him better than that.". | Mar 11 22:59 |
| techrights-bot | "The Fedora Mobility SIG is working to get #Fedora Linux working on mobile device. This includes the #PinePhone , a smartphone built with open hardware." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/matrix-video-calls-pinephone/ #gnu #linux | Mar 11 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | "Houston, we have video": Matrix video calls on the PinePhone – Fedora Community Blog | Mar 11 22:59 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, just slinging mud to see what sticks on the way out. | Mar 11 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Poisoning the well. | Mar 11 22:59 |
| Ariadne | DaemonFC[m]: the purpose of the website about ioerror was meant to be an intervention. there was a possible outcome where issues got worked out and applebaum remained a member of the free software community | Mar 11 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indiana isn't one of those have sex and you regret it later = rape states anyway like they are on the left coast. | Mar 11 23:00 |
| Ariadne | that is not what the allegations against ioerror were | Mar 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I must be missing something here. | Mar 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All I'm saying is anyone can be accused of anything. | Mar 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even with a trial you don't know that the finding wasn't seriously flawed. | Mar 11 23:02 |
| Ariadne | sure, which is why allegations must be corroborated | Mar 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's how the system claims to work. | Mar 11 23:02 |
| techrights-bot | " #Microsoft announced that its widely used email server program had been hacked" https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/really-messy-hack-microsofts-email-system-getting-worse-rcna377 then used #racism to deflect blame http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ | Mar 11 23:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | 'Really messy': Why the hack of Microsoft's email system is getting worse | Mar 11 23:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | But there are certain crimes where the allegations are enough. The jury is decided the minute the charges are read. | Mar 11 23:03 |
| Ariadne | in this case, it is very easy to find people who can corroborate the claims against ioerror | Mar 11 23:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights | Mar 11 23:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're toast. | Mar 11 23:03 |
| Ariadne | yes, this is why the squad decided to not involve the police | Mar 11 23:03 |
| vmg3 | kryptonite, it gets used against us | Mar 11 23:03 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: You *have* defended Jake. Your repeated claims that you haven't are just untrue. | Mar 11 23:04 |
| techrights-bot | Later on #GAFAM wonder why people beat up Asian-Americans... when it's them who whip-up the violence. The corporations and their media. | Mar 11 23:04 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: When you undermine credibility of accusations against him by suggesting that they're politically motivated, that's you defending him. | Mar 11 23:04 |
| techrights-bot | 2014: #NSA Cracked and Spied on #Huawei , #Snowden Documents Say https://mashable.com/2014/03/22/nsa-huawei/ #espionage | Mar 11 23:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | NSA Hacked and Spied on Huawei, Snowden Documents Say | Mar 11 23:05 | |
| techrights-bot | #suse cannot criticise #google ... because, as usual, it takes #surveillanceCapitalism bucks... #espionage begets hush money (ask #mozilla about Google antitrust) https://news.opensuse.org/2021/03/11/opensuse-project-selected-for-gsoc-mentoring/ | Mar 11 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | openSUSE Project Selected for Google Summer of Code Mentoring - openSUSE News | Mar 11 23:08 | |
| Ariadne | what mjg59 said | Mar 11 23:08 |
| techrights-bot | #Crowbits Master Kit Review - Part 1: A first look at the ESP32 based education kit ⇨ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/11/crowbits-master-kit-review-esp32-based-education-kit/ •●• #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | Mar 11 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Crowbits Master Kit Review - Part 1: A first look at the ESP32 based education kit | Mar 11 23:09 | |
| techrights-bot | #LibreOffice Templates- ftw! https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2021/03/11/templates-ftw/ | Mar 11 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-design.blog.documentfoundation.org | Templates- ftw! - LibreOffice Design Team | Mar 11 23:11 | |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: you have provided very little evidence that ioerror is actually a rapist; the possiblity that all that stuff i made up is still there | Mar 11 23:11 |
| CrystalMath | i'm sorry if that upsets you, i understand that if you have seen something, it's very frustrating when people don't believe you | Mar 11 23:12 |
| CrystalMath | but also you must know that people can't believe stuff without proof | Mar 11 23:12 |
| techrights-bot | #Flatery – A Nifty Flat Style Icon Theme for Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148714 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 23:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Flatery – A Nifty Flat Style Icon Theme for Linux | Tux Machines | Mar 11 23:12 | |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: the point of the exercise was not to get ioerror expelled from debian or anything else | Mar 11 23:12 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: the point was to get ioerror to understand that he had violated boundaries, reflect on that, and change his ways | Mar 11 23:12 |
| CrystalMath | i'm more referring to your attack on techrights for defending him | Mar 11 23:12 |
| CrystalMath | you already explained the website to me | Mar 11 23:13 |
| CrystalMath | but now i'm explaining techrights | Mar 11 23:13 |
| Ariadne | you might want to not explain techrights to somebody who is very tired and can just turn the vlan off | Mar 11 23:13 |
| CrystalMath | it has to operate as if Appelbaum is innocent, because he has not been proven guilty | Mar 11 23:13 |
| Ariadne | it can choose to not cover ioerror at all | Mar 11 23:13 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: So it's inappropriate for Roy to accuse me of illegal acts without there having been a trial? | Mar 11 23:14 |
| techrights-bot | Outsourcing personal files to #surveillance companies is contrary to the goals of #freesw https://cubiclenate.com/2021/03/11/insync-google-drive-onedrive-sync-client-opensuse/ | Mar 11 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Insync | Google Drive and OneDrive Sync Client on openSUSE – CubicleNate's Techpad | Mar 11 23:14 | |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: but what if it wants to cover the fact that people are expelling him without evidence? | Mar 11 23:14 |
| Ariadne | it covered the fact that daniel pocock believes so | Mar 11 23:14 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: What do you mean, without evidence? | Mar 11 23:14 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i'm not inside Roy's head, but i'm upset by people not following the principle of the presumption of innocence more than anything else | Mar 11 23:14 |
| Ariadne | and many debian developers are also friends of mine, to the point that i hear about all of the gossip on debian-private | Mar 11 23:15 |
| CrystalMath | mjg59: i can't really explain everything Roy says | Mar 11 23:15 |
| Ariadne | (this should not be surprising, considering alpine came from people who wanted to do debian better) | Mar 11 23:15 |
| CrystalMath | mjg59: personally i don't think it's certain that you were paid by Google to say this stuff | Mar 11 23:16 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: I'm still saying it and Google aren't paying me any more | Mar 11 23:16 |
| CrystalMath | so i actually assume it's not true | Mar 11 23:16 |
| techrights-bot | #W3C Prepares Guidance For Web Development In A Post-Spectre World https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=W3C-Spectre-Web-Guidance | Mar 11 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-W3C Prepares Guidance For Web Development In A Post-Spectre World - Phoronix | Mar 11 23:16 | |
| schestowitz | techrighrs published almost 30,000 blog posts | Mar 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | everyone can misunderstand or disagree with one of them | Mar 11 23:17 |
| mjg59 | schestowitz: Will you publish an article I write? | Mar 11 23:17 |
| mjg59 | It will be focused on free software communities | Mar 11 23:17 |
| techrights-bot | #LLVM 12.0 Should Be Released Soon Following RC3 Release https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-12.0-RC3-Released | Mar 11 23:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LLVM 12.0 Should Be Released Soon Following RC3 Release - Phoronix | Mar 11 23:17 | |
| schestowitz | mjg59: no, because you have been here to troll for 6 months | Mar 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | pure trolling | Mar 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | your existence here is thinly disguised as something elese | Mar 11 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | if it was me i would publish it if the article is good and fits the theme | Mar 11 23:18 |
| Ariadne | what if the article is factually accurate | Mar 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | That I've tolerated you for this long speaks favourable of me and us | Mar 11 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | but doesn't mjg59 have a blog already? | Mar 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | bbib | Mar 11 23:19 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i would still decline it if it doesn't further the idea of tech freedom | Mar 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I start work 1am-9am | Mar 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | will need lots of coffee | Mar 11 23:19 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: like, no matter how much evidence you have that people should be spied on, i will always reject it | Mar 11 23:19 |
| CrystalMath | freedom is not negotiable | Mar 11 23:19 |
| CrystalMath | and privacy is not negotiable | Mar 11 23:19 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: I do, just as Daniel does | Mar 11 23:20 |
| mjg59 | Well. Daniel actually seems to have at least three. | Mar 11 23:20 |
| CrystalMath | to me, those are absolutes, i will take my hardcore beliefs in freedom and privacy to my grave | Mar 11 23:20 |
| CrystalMath | but i'm not schestowitz and i don't decide what techrights publishes | Mar 11 23:20 |
| vmg3 | Australia has been keeping all metadata for years, the data points would be an amazing example of an invasion of privacy | Mar 11 23:21 |
| CrystalMath | mjg59: i remember the one where you said free software should embrace ethical licenses made my blood boil, but the rest were okay | Mar 11 23:21 |
| techrights-bot | #linux #kernel Lockless patterns: relaxed access and partial memory barriers https://lwn.net/Articles/846700/ | Mar 11 23:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lockless patterns: relaxed access and partial memory barriers [LWN.net] | Mar 11 23:21 | |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: you are aware that the goal of the ethical licenses are to protect your freedom and privacy, right? | Mar 11 23:22 |
| Ariadne | that said, i do not think ethical licenses will work | Mar 11 23:22 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i can't imagine someone intelligent actually writing that with such a goal | Mar 11 23:22 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: Oh! I never said that, though? | Mar 11 23:22 |
| CrystalMath | so i presume it's a conspiracy | Mar 11 23:22 |
| techrights-bot | #Fedora and fallback #DNS servers https://lwn.net/Articles/847257/ #redhat #ibm | Mar 11 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora and fallback DNS servers [LWN.net] | Mar 11 23:22 | |
| Ariadne | the current licenses are written by people with good intentions, but poor legal knowledge | Mar 11 23:23 |
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| mjg59 | CrystalMath: At least, I didn't intend to - I don't think that the licenses the ethical license movement are currently writing are viable | Mar 11 23:23 |
| Ariadne | ^ | Mar 11 23:23 |
| Ariadne | basically, that | Mar 11 23:23 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: But I think an outright rejection of their concerns results in the free software movement looking like it doesn't care about concerns that a large number of potential members have | Mar 11 23:24 |
| techrights-bot | This, to me, still looks like #ibm re-engineering everything in #gnu #linux for (almost) the sole purpose of monopolising and selling support contracts https://lwn.net/Articles/847412/ | Mar 11 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PipeWire: The Linux audio/video bus [LWN.net] | Mar 11 23:24 | |
| CrystalMath | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/52907.html | Mar 11 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Do we need to rethink what free software is? | Mar 11 23:24 | |
| Ariadne | as for Zini misrepresenting the position of the Debian DAM team on ioerror, it is unfortunate, but does not actually change the fact ioerror harmed people | Mar 11 23:24 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: Right, that's me attempting to explain *why* people care about ethical licenses | Mar 11 23:24 |
| mjg59 | And why I think many of their concerns are reasonable | Mar 11 23:25 |
| Ariadne | yes but not an actual endorsement of the concept | Mar 11 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | but to me the idea of free software is neutralizing software, taking power AWAY from the programmer | Mar 11 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | i view te programmers as the oppressors | Mar 11 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | and the users as the oppressed | Mar 11 23:25 |
| CrystalMath | s/te/the/ | Mar 11 23:25 |
| Ariadne | how many times did you watch TRON? | Mar 11 23:26 |
| CrystalMath | i never watched Tron | Mar 11 23:26 |
| mjg59 | How do you make use of the freedoms free software gives you without either being a programmer yourself or relying on the work of programmers? | Mar 11 23:26 |
| CrystalMath | well, power is taking away from the original programmers / the copyright holders | Mar 11 23:26 |
| CrystalMath | *taken away | Mar 11 23:26 |
| CrystalMath | it gets diluted, although it's still not eliminated | Mar 11 23:27 |
| mjg59 | So would you say that free software should empower people who don't otherwise have power? | Mar 11 23:27 |
| Ariadne | i mean, i can run whatever code i want on my machines, so i would say i have total power there | Mar 11 23:27 |
| CrystalMath | mjg59: well it does | Mar 11 23:27 |
| CrystalMath | the preamble of the GPL explains it | Mar 11 23:28 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: In most cases, sure. So, here's an example - if free software makes it cheaper to manufacture weapons that are then used to kill people, are the dead people empowered by free software? | Mar 11 23:28 |
| MinceR | so now weapons are evil? | Mar 11 23:29 |
| Ariadne | weapons have always been evil | Mar 11 23:29 |
| mjg59 | I didn't pass a value judgement | Mar 11 23:29 |
| MinceR | ah, so we're blaming objects for what people do | Mar 11 23:29 |
| mjg59 | I asked whether the people who were killed with them are empowered | Mar 11 23:29 |
| MinceR | awfully convenient for the people | Mar 11 23:29 |
| MinceR | i think i'm going to go on a murder spree and just blame it on the objects i happened to use | Mar 11 23:29 |
| CrystalMath | well it empowers "users", and i guess people who have been murdered aren't users of weapons, no | Mar 11 23:29 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: Ok, that's a fair distinction to make | Mar 11 23:30 |
| Ariadne | no, but as a developer it is depressing to hear that northrup grumman is using alpine in their weapons system | Mar 11 23:30 |
| Ariadne | which is where these ethical source licenses came from | Mar 11 23:30 |
| CrystalMath | it is depressing, sure | Mar 11 23:30 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: The ethical software people are concerned not just about the users, but the impact of their software on people who aren't direct users | Mar 11 23:30 |
| MinceR | it would be more depressing to give up on freedom zero because of that | Mar 11 23:30 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: i agree | Mar 11 23:31 |
| MinceR | especially if it turns out to be ineffective, as it will most likely be | Mar 11 23:31 |
| Ariadne | and i think mjg59 also agrees | Mar 11 23:31 |
| Ariadne | i've not seen anything to say otherwise anyway | Mar 11 23:31 |
| Ariadne | maybe i am wrong :) | Mar 11 23:31 |
| vmg3 | I was under the impression there were commercial use clauses | Mar 11 23:31 |
| mjg59 | People can disagree whether it's possible to achieve their goals without compromising free software in ways that cause more harm than good | Mar 11 23:31 |
| CrystalMath | a murderer could have also avoided software altogether and used something else, and nobody's arguing that murder is okay | Mar 11 23:31 |
| CrystalMath | it's wrong, software or not | Mar 11 23:32 |
| Ariadne | yes, but some people are sad when the tools they create are used that way | Mar 11 23:32 |
| Ariadne | it is called the toolmaker's dilemma | Mar 11 23:32 |
| mjg59 | But there's always been disagreements about how far free software can extend | Mar 11 23:32 |
| MinceR | someone could also use free software-powered weaponry to kill in self defense | Mar 11 23:32 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i can definitely understand that, but i believe it's not their fault | Mar 11 23:32 |
| mjg59 | There's a sizable number of people who believe that copyleft is fundamentally non-free | Mar 11 23:32 |
| mjg59 | Because it restricts your ability to use the code in proprietary products | Mar 11 23:33 |
| CrystalMath | though i see why people can be upset, i think that objectively their conscience can be clear | Mar 11 23:33 |
| mjg59 | And they see that as necessary for freedom | Mar 11 23:33 |
| MinceR | which freedom is that? | Mar 11 23:33 |
| Ariadne | the freedom to do whatever you want with the code | Mar 11 23:33 |
| MinceR | i see | Mar 11 23:33 |
| Ariadne | copyleft is not compatible with freedom zero maximalism | Mar 11 23:33 |
| CrystalMath | freedom zero has nothing to do with copyleft | Mar 11 23:34 |
| MinceR | i'm bothered more by people being unable to combine copylefted code with free software under an incompatible license | Mar 11 23:34 |
| CrystalMath | copyleft is about distribution | Mar 11 23:34 |
| Ariadne | we mostly fixed that in GPL3 and Apache2 | Mar 11 23:34 |
| mjg59 | Ariadne: Freedom 0 is, I think, carefully written to avoid that argument - it explicitly talks about running it for any purpose, not distributing it for any purpose | Mar 11 23:34 |
| CrystalMath | you can be pro-copyleft and a freedom zero maximalist | Mar 11 23:34 |
| Ariadne | mjg59: hmm, true :) | Mar 11 23:34 |
| mjg59 | I think it's actually more an argument about freeom 3 | Mar 11 23:35 |
| mjg59 | And whether you can impose conditions on the distribution of modified versions | Mar 11 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | but indeed, copyleft does a little bit of "affirmative action" here, tipping the scale in favor of the user, against the developers | Mar 11 23:35 |
| Ariadne | and the largest practical problem with license compatibility (OpenSSL) is being relicensed to something compatible anyway | Mar 11 23:35 |
| Ariadne | although openssl is hot garbage and you shouldn't use it in new code | Mar 11 23:35 |
| mjg59 | So I see the ethical software/free software argument as being more about what levels of restrictions can be applied for the greater good | Mar 11 23:36 |
| mjg59 | I wrote about that some more here: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/54709.html | Mar 11 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | What usage restrictions can we place in a free software license? | Mar 11 23:36 | |
| mjg59 | Which is, I want to emphasise, not me saying that the license term I suggest there is a good license | Mar 11 23:37 |
| mjg59 | But I think it could be argued that it is in line with the goals of free software | Mar 11 23:37 |
| mjg59 | Merely entirely impractical in the real world | Mar 11 23:38 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: personally, i don't really see the Toolmaker's dilemma | Mar 11 23:38 |
| CrystalMath | if someone uses something i made for something i find to be horrible, i don't even see how it's even slightly my fault | Mar 11 23:38 |
| Ariadne | it's a mental health dilemma | Mar 11 23:38 |
| CrystalMath | if others see it, they're wrong | Mar 11 23:38 |
| Ariadne | if it does not impact you in that way, then that's good for you. | Mar 11 23:39 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: So what I was aiming for in the blog post you linked to was to try to encourage people to understand the goals of the ethical license movement, and to respond to it in a way that demonstrates that understanding | Mar 11 23:39 |
| CrystalMath | i can't actually guarantee that tbh, Ariadne | Mar 11 23:39 |
| Ariadne | alpine is used in a lot of things i do not like, and it took several years for me to get beyond it | Mar 11 23:39 |
| CrystalMath | so maybe i'll add this: | Mar 11 23:39 |
| CrystalMath | if i get upset about it one day, then i'll be wrong | Mar 11 23:39 |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: It sounds like I didn't make that clear enough - sorry about that | Mar 11 23:39 |
| CrystalMath | i'm saying it now when logic is 100% of the argument, before any emotions get in the way | Mar 11 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | mjg59: maybe it was the title | Mar 11 23:40 |
| Ariadne | the toolmaker in the toolmaker's dilemma has emotions, which cause the dilemma | Mar 11 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: yes but when you don't, you can see that there's no dilemma | Mar 11 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | that's why i'm saying in advance, that this is 100% the case, before it actually happens to me | Mar 11 23:40 |
| Ariadne | i hope it does not happen to you (or anyone else), it is not a nice feeling | Mar 11 23:41 |
| CrystalMath | i can't guarantee that i'll feel the same if it actually happens | Mar 11 23:41 |
| techrights-bot | #AlpineLinux : A Breath of Fresh Mountain Air for Linux Experts • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148715 •●• #GNU #Linux #Security #TuxMachines | Mar 11 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine Linux: A Breath of Fresh Mountain Air for Linux Experts | Tux Machines | Mar 11 23:41 | |
| mjg59 | CrystalMath: Ah, fair - what I meant was that I think the answer is "no", but we should be able to justify that answer in a way that actually responds to the concerns | Mar 11 23:41 |
| CrystalMath | mjg59: i don't think i read much past the title, to be host | Mar 11 23:41 |
| CrystalMath | *honest | Mar 11 23:41 |
| *DVulgaris (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights | Mar 11 23:43 | |
| vmg3 | tested in courts? | Mar 11 23:45 |
| Ariadne | tested what in courts? | Mar 11 23:45 |
| vmg3 | licencing | Mar 11 23:45 |
| techrights-bot | #System76 Introduces Thelio Mira Computers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148697#comment-28590 reasonably power, not cheap at all | Mar 11 23:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 Unveils Thelio Mira Linux PC with AMD Ryzen CPUs and NVIDIA Graphics | Tux Machines | Mar 11 23:46 | |
| vmg3 | linus was banging on years abou about the problems with it | Mar 11 23:46 |
| vmg3 | it's a lawyers game | Mar 11 23:47 |
| vmg3 | free doesn't have the capital | Mar 11 23:47 |
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| vmg3 | should the licence be updated more often to deal with the new unseen implications | Mar 11 23:48 |
| MinceR | what can we even expect from licenses at this point? | Mar 11 23:48 |
| MinceR | strong copyleft can be turned into weak copylefy by putting an IPC call between the two components | Mar 11 23:49 |
| CrystalMath | doubtful ^ | Mar 11 23:49 |
| CrystalMath | if they share data structures, a court can easily rule that it's a derivative work | Mar 11 23:49 |
| MinceR | some patent nastiness got around GPLv2, against which GPLv3 was invented, but the community couldn't even get Linux to adopt GPLv3 | Mar 11 23:50 |
| CrystalMath | a court has even ruled that using an API makes it a derivative work, in the US! | Mar 11 23:50 |
| MinceR | that, too, can bite free software developers in the ass | Mar 11 23:50 |
| CrystalMath | yes but the definition of a derivative work is incredibly wide | Mar 11 23:50 |
| techrights-bot | #7Zip developer releases the first official Linux version http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148683#comment-28591 as #windows share dips it's getting harder for any project to just ignore #gnu #linux | Mar 11 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7-Zip 21.0 alpha introduces native Linux support | Tux Machines | Mar 11 23:51 | |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: google could have tried to argue that it's fair use instead | Mar 11 23:51 |
| mjg59 | Oracle v Google could potentially expand the scope of derivative work massively | Mar 11 23:51 |
| techrights-bot | #SUSE Going Public and Other SUSE/OpenSUSE News • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148716 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Mar 11 23:51 |
| mjg59 | Unfortunately, not just in ways that benefit free software | Mar 11 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Going Public and Other SUSE/OpenSUSE News | Tux Machines | Mar 11 23:52 | |
| mjg59 | Free implementations of proprietary APIs might be violations | Mar 11 23:52 |
| CrystalMath | in europe, interopability is a predefined case of fair use | Mar 11 23:52 |
| mjg59 | It wouldn't be good for ReactOS | Mar 11 23:52 |
| MinceR | or for wine | Mar 11 23:52 |
| CrystalMath | mjg59: we did consider adding a warning for anyone in the US, but we're still ignoring it for now | Mar 11 23:52 |
| CrystalMath | however Oracle v. Google said nothing about whether google's usage of the API was fair use or not | Mar 11 23:53 |
| CrystalMath | because google did not defend that way | Mar 11 23:53 |
| CrystalMath | google's claim is that APIs are not within the scope of a derivative work | Mar 11 23:53 |
| techrights-bot | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The so-called 'speakers' that are actually MICROPHONES for #eavesdropping on you (police, state, corporations)... now wants your heartbeats too. Only dumb people would buy these. https://www.iottechtrends.com/smart-speakers-heart-monitoring/ | Mar 11 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | Smart Speakers Could Add Heart Monitoring - IoT Tech Trends | Mar 11 23:54 | |
| CrystalMath | i personally think it shouldn't be | Mar 11 23:54 |
| CrystalMath | but an IPC call should be | Mar 11 23:54 |
| techrights-bot | Can't wait for the "smart speakers" that also dispatch your STD status. Yes, 'speakers'.... (microphones) http://techrights.org/2020/10/10/rms-on-bugs/ http://techrights.org/2020/01/04/listening-devices/ http://techrights.org/2020/10/10/listening-devices-not-smart/ | Mar 11 23:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Mentality of Cameras (and Sometimes Microphones) Everywhere, as Explained More Than 2 Years Before the Snowden NSA Leaks | Techrights | Mar 11 23:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In an Age of Newspeak Buzzwords, Listening Devices (Bugs) Are Called ‘Smart’ ‘Assistants’ and Microphones Are Called ‘Speakers’ | Techrights | Mar 11 23:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Listening Devices Marketed as ‘Smart’ Speakers (Microphones) and Other ‘Smart’ Stuff Which Does Not Do What They Tell You | Techrights | Mar 11 23:57 | |
| techrights-bot | Godot Showcase - Human Diaspora developer interview https://godotengine.org/article/godot-showcase-leocesar3d-human-diaspora #godotengine #deletegithub #games #programming | Mar 11 23:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Godot Showcase - Human Diaspora developer interview | Mar 11 23:58 | |
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