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| *XRevan86 waits for https://youtu.be/ZiPCcBDyn0M to appear in English sources. | Apr 14 00:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Как Симоньян раскрыла способ накрутки просмотров на RT - YouTube | Apr 14 00:07 | |
| schestowitz | what does it say? | Apr 14 00:07 |
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| XRevan86 | Pretty much proof that RT inflates views. | Apr 14 00:07 |
| schestowitz | [23:32] <XRevan86> I wonder how Riot fares… | Apr 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | video?! | Apr 14 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | based on detailed analysis of stats | Apr 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | [20:29] <DaemonFC[m]> Schestowitz Mandy doesn't get my jokes. | Apr 14 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | Part 2 after a video-reply from RT, as RT in their reply showed their YouTube Analytics page, which gave some better evidence | Apr 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Not his first language, he might even speak several dialects that aren't English | Apr 14 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What video? Riot is a client for Matrix. | Apr 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Duterte speaks English mostly, to hide how crap his Tagalog is | Apr 14 00:09 |
| MinceR | english is not my first language either | Apr 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <MinceR> wow, twitler is tweeting about firing someone | Apr 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Twitter is shit | Apr 14 00:09 |
| MinceR | i know | Apr 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | I read replies I get once a day only, to reduce mental burden associated with that ugly place... | Apr 14 00:10 |
| XRevan86 | Who is Mandy? | Apr 14 00:10 |
| XRevan86 | Or should I say, who mendy? I not understent | Apr 14 00:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 14 00:11 |
| cubexyz | facebook and twitter could very well be encouraging shallow thinking and impulsiveness | Apr 14 00:11 |
| Narrator | every social media is shit | Apr 14 00:11 |
| Narrator | perfect idea to label all people | Apr 14 00:13 |
| schestowitz | [00:09] <XRevan86> schestowitz: What video? Riot is a client for Matrix. | Apr 14 00:13 |
| XRevan86 | And there's evidence that the way RT does it is through embedding playlists into porn sites. | Apr 14 00:13 |
| schestowitz | So it is not suitable for video-conferencing | Apr 14 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Narrator: true in a way | Apr 14 00:13 |
| cubexyz | let's exempt IRC from social media then, since it's so old :) | Apr 14 00:14 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ah, you meant VVoIP… context of a literal video on YouTube made me fail to understand %). | Apr 14 00:14 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: XRevan86's husband | Apr 14 00:14 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Doesn't Matrix have video? | Apr 14 00:14 |
| schestowitz | maybe it does | Apr 14 00:14 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was like irc/jabber/social control media | Apr 14 00:15 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator is my husband? | Apr 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | where you can attach video | Apr 14 00:15 |
| MinceR | afaik matrix just uses one of the forms of jitsi for video | Apr 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | oops, DaemonFC[m]'s | Apr 14 00:15 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, Mandy is DaemonFC[m]'s husband, got it. | Apr 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Apr 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | he liked to interject his personal life into the techrights channel | Apr 14 00:16 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I read it all, I just forgot the name. | Apr 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | anyway, that Trump fires someone is not surprising | Apr 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | regime of chaos and ugliness | Apr 14 00:16 |
| XRevan86 | And I also lost context several times, which is super-easy on IRC… | Apr 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | The US stature in the world collapse after 2016, as soon as the election ended | Apr 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | maybe the dr. will be replaced by some Evangelical "faith healer" | Apr 14 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | Even just having multi-line messages improves the situation drastically, as people start quoting messages they're replying to. | Apr 14 00:17 |
| cubexyz | eternal september since 1993 (according to some) | Apr 14 00:17 |
| schestowitz | IRC is at least standard, it's one of the first things I used when I got an interview connection at home as a kid | Apr 14 00:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: After the bombing of the White House. | Apr 14 00:18 |
| *XRevan86 intentionally omitted context here :3. | Apr 14 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | apparently out lock-down is now guaranteed to last until next month >at least< | Apr 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I don't mind, we work from home anyway, and have done that for more than a decade, but it apparently becomes intolerable to others | Apr 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | 3 kinds of people right now, maybe 4 | Apr 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | 1) I am temporarily out of work | Apr 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | 2) I think I am temporarily out of work | Apr 14 00:19 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, if you read some of the older mailing lists from the 1980s there just wasn't the same nonsense you see now | Apr 14 00:19 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis#Storming_of_the_White_House | Apr 14 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 1993 Russian constitutional crisis - Wikipedia | Apr 14 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | 3) I lost my job, can't search for any | Apr 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | 4) on leave with pay, on leave without pay | Apr 14 00:20 |
| schestowitz | (or partial pay) | Apr 14 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Which non-sense? | Apr 14 00:20 |
| schestowitz | And I guess there's the essential worker, remote worker etc. but they don't qualify as the in-limbo group | Apr 14 00:20 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, general rudeness. flat earth, anti-vaxx, etc etc | Apr 14 00:20 |
| Narrator | https://i.pinimg.com/originals/99/53/12/995312d67c80b7cdb08bbca255b7dc95.jpg | Apr 14 00:21 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'm not a fan of mailing lists, so I'm not really aware of what it's like. | Apr 14 00:21 |
| XRevan86 | * on what | Apr 14 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Wow, what a blatant quote, I wonder about the context | Apr 14 00:21 |
| Narrator | current discusion;-) | Apr 14 00:22 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, or read some of the older usenet posts, same idea | Apr 14 00:22 |
| *Narrator off, time to sleep:) | Apr 14 00:22 | |
| schestowitz | context in which he said that | Apr 14 00:22 |
| cubexyz | of course there were still cranks | Apr 14 00:22 |
| cubexyz | not as many though | Apr 14 00:22 |
| schestowitz | like Kissinger with alleged quote about public or soldiers being like dumb animals or something | Apr 14 00:22 |
| XRevan86 | It's from the book Between Two Ages | Apr 14 00:23 |
| Narrator | i think tat this is true all the time | Apr 14 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Narrator: iirc, his daughter now does 'the news' | Apr 14 00:23 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, didn't know about that, thanks | Apr 14 00:23 |
| MinceR | Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz | Apr 14 00:24 |
| Narrator | :D | Apr 14 00:24 |
| *XRevan86 reads https://www.metabunk.org/threads/%E2%80%9Cshortly-the-public-will-be-unable-to-reason-or-think-for-themselves-%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%94-zbigniew-brzezinski.9138/ | Apr 14 00:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.metabunk.org | “Shortly, the public will be unable to reason or think for themselves...” — Zbigniew Brzezinski | Metabunk | Apr 14 00:25 | |
| Narrator | see you tomorrow:) | Apr 14 00:25 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe the quote is actually fake. | Apr 14 00:25 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: See ya | Apr 14 00:25 |
| schestowitz | it can't be fake, IT IS ON THE INTERWEBS!!! | Apr 14 00:25 |
| schestowitz | BrzęczyszczykiewiczKi | Apr 14 00:26 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, there was no president before Yeltsin correct? | Apr 14 00:26 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Gorbachov gave himself presidential status, if you count presidents of the USSR. | Apr 14 00:26 |
| XRevan86 | And Yeltsin is the first president of RSFSR, and later of the Russian Federation. | Apr 14 00:27 |
| cubexyz | I can remember when Brezhnev was the General Secretary | Apr 14 00:28 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: How things changed, eh | Apr 14 00:29 |
| cubexyz | definitely | Apr 14 00:30 |
| cubexyz | big changes since then | Apr 14 00:30 |
| XRevan86 | It was the guy with the wildest brows, and Putin has almost no hair at all. | Apr 14 00:30 |
| MinceR | and poor Göbbels has no balls at all | Apr 14 00:31 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: https://youtu.be/A-Y2OCyk-Pc | Apr 14 00:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enjoykin — Дорогие Юные Друзья - YouTube | Apr 14 00:34 | |
| cubexyz | translating comments ...."it is a pity that Brezhnev is not alive" | Apr 14 00:38 |
| XRevan86 | It's better not to read comments… in general. | Apr 14 00:39 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, what is Brezhnev saying? | Apr 14 00:39 |
| XRevan86 | The last days go by of the year that's passing away. This year was hard for the fraternal nations. As you know this year we had to live through war. But in the future there are new frontiers. But in the future there is new life. There will be many great victories. There will be a dawn of the new world. | Apr 14 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's from 0:00 to 0:32 | Apr 14 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: As you can see, it's a Markov-chain worthy non-sense just to sound good :) | Apr 14 00:44 |
| cubexyz | yes, there's a number of them | Apr 14 00:44 |
| cubexyz | Enjoykin | Apr 14 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/RetH0VzJNKw https://youtu.be/rmPxjUzTWGI yea :) | Apr 14 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enjoykin — Новый Год (feat. Михаил Горбачёв) - YouTube | Apr 14 00:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enjoykin — С Новым Годом, Россия! - YouTube | Apr 14 00:44 | |
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| cubexyz | XRevan86, some of the russian puzzle sites linked to me, so I translate them sometimes | Apr 14 00:46 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: You mean, on your web page? | Apr 14 00:50 |
| cubexyz | https://vk.com/wall-79808437?q=%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80 | Apr 14 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Speedcubing.club - ???? ?????? ? ???: Posts | VK | Apr 14 00:51 | |
| cubexyz | russian forum which linked to one of my web pages | Apr 14 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | That's social media | Apr 14 00:52 |
| cubexyz | ah I see | Apr 14 00:53 |
| XRevan86 | https://vk.com/wall-79808437_26029?reply=26049 found the mention | Apr 14 00:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-?? ??? ?? ? ?? | Speedcubing.club - ???? ?????? ? ??? | VK | Apr 14 00:53 | |
| XRevan86 | It's a comment on one of their posts. | Apr 14 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | oh, wait, it's a question on their "wall" from a subscriber | Apr 14 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Anyway, the person who mentioned is someone called Dianne Murnik. | Apr 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | wow, I removed the visibility of the kde main panel | Apr 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | didn't realise how much noise it really was | Apr 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | back to my openbox-like days (months ago) | Apr 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | and added the weather widget to the auto-hidden panel | Apr 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | minimalism is so vastly better | Apr 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | also... the plasma 6 widgets look very nice | Apr 14 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | Plasma 6 already? :) | Apr 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | the work done on the graphics side of things is amazing, much better than the kde/qt4 days | Apr 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | no, typo | Apr 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even notice the typo until you mentioned it | Apr 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | qt6 would likely be proprietary, sort of | Apr 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | limited access to it | Apr 14 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Or with a year delay. | Apr 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | kde/plasma 6 plans were made in Berlin months ago | Apr 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yeah | Apr 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | some kde devs want to fork qt | Apr 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | it would take much effort | Apr 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | maybe qt company would reconsider the policy... to avoid this fork existing at all | Apr 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I'm finished at work in a few minutes | Apr 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | than I can post publicly again | Apr 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries | Apr 14 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,923,280 Cases and 119,587 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer | Apr 14 00:59 | |
| schestowitz | I wonder if US daily deaths will reach 2900 | Apr 14 00:59 |
| MinceR | i think kde will just kindly lie down and die in favor of gnome | Apr 14 00:59 |
| MinceR | just like deadian did | Apr 14 00:59 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, KDE1: | Apr 14 00:59 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-krubik-kde1.png | Apr 14 00:59 |
| MinceR | they too believe in systemd | Apr 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | just so you can say "9/11" every day (I'm shuffffffffelin') | Apr 14 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | By the way, did you know that the client for Microsoft OneDrive is written in Qt? | Apr 14 01:00 |
| MinceR | and the systemd dogma is that Choice is Bad and Competition is Bad | Apr 14 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: I tried kde3 some 2 weeks ago, maybe less | Apr 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | it looked bad, the graphics | Apr 14 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | It's weird to me that Windows 10 actually has Qt bundled somewhere deep in its internals. | Apr 14 01:00 |
| MinceR | and it should be obvious even to the kde people that their chosen overlords at ibm want gnome to survive and kde to die | Apr 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | I didn't realise how much progress qt and kde made until I saw and use it again with a live CD of 2008 | Apr 14 01:00 |
| MinceR | or at least that they prefer gnome | Apr 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: the Microsoft toolkits such apparently | Apr 14 01:01 |
| MinceR | maybe they're too stupid to realize that in a world where choices are heresy, preference means the others must be wiped out completely | Apr 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | more so for cross-platform | Apr 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to someone from Microsoft this week | Apr 14 01:01 |
| MinceR | yes, microsloth's gui toolkits are atrocious | Apr 14 01:01 |
| MinceR | they still want you to align each widget pixel by pixel | Apr 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | he told me they're working more on making things for other platforms | Apr 14 01:01 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, which distro are you using these days? | Apr 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | becauase companies complain about Windows-only things | Apr 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | they're losing it | Apr 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: debian 10 | Apr 14 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Is that code for "we'll be doing more stuff on Electron"? | Apr 14 01:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe | Apr 14 01:02 |
| schestowitz | he was asked to work on mac os x stuff and refused | Apr 14 01:02 |
| schestowitz | they can't sell their stuff anymore | Apr 14 01:02 |
| schestowitz | so they port their binary blobs to other platforms.... which might not help, either | Apr 14 01:02 |
| MinceR | well, electron is certainly badly conceived and designed enough for microsuck | Apr 14 01:03 |
| schestowitz | they're lied to about "clown" and "azure" | Apr 14 01:03 |
| MinceR | but maybe they'll reinvent it even more badly! | Apr 14 01:03 |
| schestowitz | they're told they're doing well, but it is financial fraud | Apr 14 01:03 |
| schestowitz | this is why they attack and infitlrate us BTW | Apr 14 01:03 |
| schestowitz | It's their last stand | Apr 14 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe they're rebasing it on top of their Edge now. | Apr 14 01:03 |
| schestowitz | and they might even pull this off... if there's no reaction and resistance | Apr 14 01:03 |
| MinceR | yeah | Apr 14 01:04 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde/kde-with-plan9.png | Apr 14 01:04 |
| schestowitz | OSI and LF disgraced themselves | Apr 14 01:04 |
| cubexyz | I did some crazy experiments | Apr 14 01:04 |
| schestowitz | and maybe rightly so | Apr 14 01:04 |
| MinceR | good, then we know we can't trust them | Apr 14 01:04 |
| schestowitz | FSF might make a comeback... I think they get along with RMS and I better these days.... they realise they need to coexist with the "not so shiny" Luddites | Apr 14 01:05 |
| MinceR | how will the FSF excise the SJW cancer in themselves? | Apr 14 01:05 |
| MinceR | will they even want to do that? | Apr 14 01:05 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, if it's OK show us a screenshot of your KDE desktop | Apr 14 01:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: in the FSF? | Apr 14 01:05 |
| MinceR | yes, in the FSF | Apr 14 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Well, Mako-Hill and Kuhn left | Apr 14 01:05 |
| MinceR | the people who cancelled RMS | Apr 14 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Mako-Hill left quietly | Apr 14 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Kuhn did a blog post about it | Apr 14 01:05 |
| MinceR | the people who prop up systemd even though it's designed to take our freedom away | Apr 14 01:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: these people are in the minority | Apr 14 01:06 |
| schestowitz | they don't have enough leverage | Apr 14 01:06 |
| MinceR | they had enough leverage to cancel RMS | Apr 14 01:06 |
| schestowitz | not entirely | Apr 14 01:06 |
| schestowitz | it was a botched job | Apr 14 01:06 |
| MinceR | and they're numerous enough so that ##fsf and ##gnu are cancerd-worshipping echo chambers | Apr 14 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: https://kde.org/applications/games/org.kde.kubrick did you know about this? | Apr 14 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kubrick - 3-D Game based on Rubik's Cube - KDE.org | Apr 14 01:07 | |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 14 01:07 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, yeah :) | Apr 14 01:07 |
| cubexyz | let me show you what I use now | Apr 14 01:07 |
| cubexyz | https://experiments.cubing.net/cubing.js/twizzle/index.html?puzzle=megaminx | Apr 14 01:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-experiments.cubing.net | Twizzle | Apr 14 01:08 | |
| cubexyz | I made some videos to add to the old work of 1997: | Apr 14 01:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.cubeman.org/mega2.html | Apr 14 01:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cubeman.org | The Megaminx Pattern Archive | Apr 14 01:09 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | > Duterte speaks English mostly, to hide how crap his Tagalog is | Apr 14 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To be fair...Yeah, it really helps when you're the sockpuppet of the US to have good English skills. The CIA can make sure that all of your opponents keep turning up with ricin poisoning and that all of your elections are "irregular". | Apr 14 01:15 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Puppy Linux BionicPup 8.0 - Small and feisty http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136351 [https://pleroma.site/objects/74f082b8-65c1-4a44-b595-69738bceeb77] | Apr 14 01:16 | |
| XRevan86 | English is also an official language of Philippines. | Apr 14 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | So that's not that surprising. | Apr 14 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | Fun fact: even I can notice an accent when Zelensky speaks in Ukrainian. | Apr 14 01:17 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 40 Useful git Commands for Linux Admins and Developers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136352 [https://pleroma.site/objects/06a6237d-0f52-4f4c-9a71-9d6cb4169f7f] | Apr 14 01:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136353 [https://pleroma.site/objects/139e0b37-9216-4fa7-afef-d133a1924aaa] | Apr 14 01:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's leadership has been so great that we're well into the Second Great Depression while we throw another 9/11 into the pile each day without thinking about it. | Apr 14 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Dow goes up if it's "only" 1,800 dead Americans each day now. How fucked up is that? | Apr 14 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remember when 2,200 died on 9/11 and then that was it, but the Dow didn't recover for A YEAR!? | Apr 14 01:19 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Linux Laptops for Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136354 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8242a193-ee4a-4642-b128-8486e2720e8d] | Apr 14 01:21 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Firefox 76 Promises New Security Features, Improved Picture-in-Picture http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136355 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7a7f0d81-6613-4246-9b26-260ffff8263b] | Apr 14 01:22 | |
| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/02/02/ab2d0f4f527897d3.mp4 | Apr 14 01:23 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136356 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aab07bbb-7a9e-475c-8c54-cac5fe2ed4f4] | Apr 14 01:23 | |
| MinceR | new security-weakening features? | Apr 14 01:23 |
| schestowitz | [01:08] <cubexyz> https://experiments.cubing.net/cubing.js/twizzle/index.html?puzzle=megaminx | Apr 14 01:26 |
| schestowitz | whose site is this? | Apr 14 01:26 |
| schestowitz | [01:16] <XRevan86> English is also an official language of Philippines. | Apr 14 01:27 |
| schestowitz | The occupier's standards | Apr 14 01:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: wall street is not the US public | Apr 14 01:27 |
| schestowitz | listed in wall street's main indexes are companies that represent the wealth of the few | Apr 14 01:28 |
| schestowitz | so maybe they reckon they can force people back to work this summer | Apr 14 01:28 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/JfmlcxTqBdmohqQkIbSTfsQT > | Apr 14 01:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: As Far As The Eye, Terraria, Steam Game Festival and Steam on LMDE 4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136357 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5e43c498-93f7-4dc5-bd49-ad1331829317] | Apr 14 01:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Monitoring Tools: The Definitive Guide http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136358 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f3393100-be5c-479f-9728-2c7b0f9827c6] | Apr 14 01:38 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Contributing from afar: My @fsf internship from Italy with the campaigns team http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136359 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5d784e5b-7dca-4f0c-b973-84dbd9845ec3] | Apr 14 01:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136360 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5a6b76a0-5475-47cf-a4c6-b760b88dc54b] | Apr 14 02:01 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/02/02/554f6fddd3495205.jpg | Apr 14 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I found Mandy a job. | Apr 14 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He starts tomorrow. | Apr 14 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I figured out how to set things up so we don't pay income taxes and get a refund, and surprisingly it is all legal. | Apr 14 02:15 |
| schestowitz | well done | Apr 14 02:25 |
| schestowitz | good man.. | Apr 14 02:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SwapBhartiya/status/1249845950727815175 | Apr 14 02:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: If I ever interview @realDonaldTrump, which I won't, I have higher standards, I will wipe the floor with his face.… https://t.co/xgBr1unwJm | Apr 14 02:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: If I ever interview @realDonaldTrump, which I won't, I have higher standards, I will wipe the floor with his face.… https://t.co/xgBr1unwJm | Apr 14 02:32 | |
| schestowitz | LOL! | Apr 14 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Swapnil, whose videos get like 40 views... | Apr 14 02:32 |
| schestowitz | speaking of himself like some big shot journo is always amusing | Apr 14 02:32 |
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| Ariadne | schestowitz: how do you want to proceed on this infrastructure modernization | Apr 14 03:12 |
| schestowitz | hi Ariadne | Apr 14 03:14 |
| schestowitz | thanks for coming back | Apr 14 03:14 |
| schestowitz | we can move the other two DBs from the tuxmachines vm to the container, I suppose, as it would not be too risky | Apr 14 03:15 |
| Ariadne | alright, what would be a good time to do that | Apr 14 03:15 |
| schestowitz | I already like it how load was reduced on the techrights VM because mysqld is not there | Apr 14 03:15 |
| schestowitz | we can do it as soon as you are available | Apr 14 03:15 |
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| cubexyz | schestowitz, that is the work of Tom Rokicki and Lucas Garron | Apr 14 03:16 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: IIRC, you developed (in C?) some cube application as well | Apr 14 03:17 |
| schestowitz | back in the days I did with opengl some games | Apr 14 03:17 |
| cubexyz | yeah there's several ones | Apr 14 03:18 |
| schestowitz | that was in c | Apr 14 03:18 |
| cubexyz | mine were all C language except the oldest ones | Apr 14 03:18 |
| schestowitz | remember they don't exist until you upload them to MSGithub ;-) | Apr 14 03:19 |
| cubexyz | there's a commodore 64 one and a commodore PET, in different types of BASIC | Apr 14 03:19 |
| cubexyz | http://maxhost.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=15 | Apr 14 03:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-maxhost.org | Coppermine Photo Gallery - Rubik's Cube Programs | Apr 14 03:20 | |
| cubexyz | cube motif is one of mine | Apr 14 03:20 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I've just checked sizes: | Apr 14 03:21 |
| schestowitz | [root@tuxmachines mysql]# pwd | Apr 14 03:21 |
| schestowitz | /var/lib/mysql | Apr 14 03:21 |
| schestowitz | [root@tuxmachines mysql]# du -sh | Apr 14 03:21 |
| schestowitz | 5.0G . | Apr 14 03:21 |
| cubexyz | Tom uses something called typescript | Apr 14 03:21 |
| schestowitz | 2.9G . | Apr 14 03:22 |
| schestowitz | [root@tuxmachines gallery2]# pwd | Apr 14 03:22 |
| schestowitz | /var/lib/mysql/gallery2 | Apr 14 03:22 |
| schestowitz | That's lots of screenshots of old distros | Apr 14 03:22 |
| cubexyz | is that on the web? | Apr 14 03:23 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: we've also changed the cron jobs/backup scripts to fetch dumps from the remote host/container and make nightlies | Apr 14 03:23 |
| Ariadne | great | Apr 14 03:23 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: which ones? | Apr 14 03:23 |
| schestowitz | Gallery, cubexyz? | Apr 14 03:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/main.php | Apr 14 03:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TuxGallery | Apr 14 03:24 | |
| schestowitz | lots of kde3 in there too | Apr 14 03:24 |
| cubexyz | ah thanks | Apr 14 03:24 |
| schestowitz | it's mostly read-only | Apr 14 03:24 |
| schestowitz | we no longer add new albums | Apr 14 03:24 |
| Ariadne | grr | Apr 14 03:25 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it's not likely that tuxmachines DBs will change over the next few hours because my rss feeds are all on zero and I can't think of anything else noteworthy to post until after Rianne wakes up and catches up | Apr 14 03:25 |
| cubexyz | ok, I found a KDE 3.5 one | Apr 14 03:25 |
| Ariadne | alpine CI being all screwy because of this damn botched libffi migration | Apr 14 03:25 |
| schestowitz | what is "ffi"? | Apr 14 03:25 |
| Ariadne | foreign function interface | Apr 14 03:26 |
| Ariadne | its used to allow python and such to call into C on demand | Apr 14 03:26 |
| schestowitz | I never came across this lib | Apr 14 03:26 |
| Ariadne | it's one of those things that is in the underbelly of the GNU toolchain group | Apr 14 03:26 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I have seen not a single mention of Alpine in relation to WSL for over a year (which is a good sign) | Apr 14 03:27 |
| schestowitz | WSL+WSL2 seems to be a failure, as they refuse to disclose usage numbers and when they said they would they change their minds. I reckon it's a massive failure, well below their hopes and expectations | Apr 14 03:28 |
| schestowitz | This past week they bombarded the media with fluff about adding as "Tux" icon to Explorer for access to files in WSL... but one wonders if they even have a million active users worldwide (I doubt it) | Apr 14 03:29 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I expect this to soon change. | Apr 14 03:31 |
| schestowitz | brb cup of coffee.. | Apr 14 03:31 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: usage to go up? I doubt it | Apr 14 03:31 |
| schestowitz | gnu/linux is free and getting easier to install, run as vm etc. | Apr 14 03:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Windows 10 is expecting an update this month (or the next month), where WSL2 will be officially introduced. | Apr 14 03:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is trying to stop or control the floodgates | Apr 14 03:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: So mentions of WSL will go up. | Apr 14 03:32 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: if people choose to | Apr 14 03:32 |
| schestowitz | they target unixy devs | Apr 14 03:33 |
| XRevan86 | I meant mentions, not usages. | Apr 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | but those devs often know how to install and dual-boot gnu/linux | Apr 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | in some workplaces they ban gnu/linux | Apr 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | that's where they might use wsl-x | Apr 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: well, they googlebomb "Linux" for years now | Apr 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | the "microsoft loves linux" lie calmed down | Apr 14 03:33 |
| schestowitz | almost nobody even pushes that anymore | Apr 14 03:34 |
| schestowitz | one of the pushers of it was arrested, others no longer write | Apr 14 03:34 |
| schestowitz | they discredited themselves | Apr 14 03:34 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to WSL project managers | Apr 14 03:34 |
| schestowitz | they have away their support of the patent blackmail | Apr 14 03:34 |
| schestowitz | which I then documented | Apr 14 03:34 |
| schestowitz | together with some former Microsoft staff we challenged them on it | Apr 14 03:35 |
| schestowitz | and then they got a little uncomfortable and tried to discredit me | Apr 14 03:35 |
| schestowitz | their team might even be disbanded at some point, like many Microsoft projects | Apr 14 03:35 |
| schestowitz | they don't seem to have gained traction 4 years down the line | Apr 14 03:35 |
| schestowitz | Canonical's main WSL person left | Apr 14 03:35 |
| schestowitz | and they hired a shameless Microsoft person instead | Apr 14 03:36 |
| schestowitz | who then stalked me in Twitter | Apr 14 03:36 |
| cubexyz | I'd say M$ loves Linux as much as I love covid-19 | Apr 14 03:36 |
| schestowitz | if it gained so little traction since 2016, expect it mothballed or shelved as "legacy"... like many other WIndows things | Apr 14 03:36 |
| schestowitz | like their "ebook" 'store' (DRM bonfire) | Apr 14 03:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: WSL1 was literally already shelved :) | Apr 14 03:37 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: that compares Linux to a parasite | Apr 14 03:37 |
| schestowitz | it's pointless, XRevan86 | Apr 14 03:37 |
| schestowitz | think about it | Apr 14 03:37 |
| schestowitz | you can copy-paste from VM | Apr 14 03:37 |
| XRevan86 | The whole technology for a kernel hybrid, made and then trashed | Apr 14 03:37 |
| schestowitz | share files | Apr 14 03:37 |
| schestowitz | and you can use the latest version, ISO etc. | Apr 14 03:38 |
| schestowitz | so WSL is for people who think "store" is easier than virtualbox | Apr 14 03:38 |
| schestowitz | or dual-booting, which also isn't hard, you can virtualise vista10 under gnu/linux too | Apr 14 03:38 |
| schestowitz | if you explain this to people they then realise wsl is totally moot | Apr 14 03:38 |
| schestowitz | it's not even innovative | Apr 14 03:38 |
| schestowitz | it's like going BACK to cygwin days | Apr 14 03:39 |
| schestowitz | I used that back in 2001 | Apr 14 03:39 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I just mean that the technology has already been shelved, so it already happened. | Apr 14 03:39 |
| schestowitz | oh, look, wow!! wsl gets a KERNEL!! Wow, you can access FILES!!! Wow! Party like it's 2002! | Apr 14 03:39 |
| cubexyz | well history could have been different | Apr 14 03:40 |
| schestowitz | I saw very few blog posts where wsl is mentioned by someone who uses it | Apr 14 03:40 |
| schestowitz | usually some windows-only workplace or Microsoft fans | Apr 14 03:40 |
| XRevan86 | And WSL2 is a VM, so it's closer to VirtualBox than to Cygwin. | Apr 14 03:40 |
| schestowitz | maybe 2 blog posts in 4 years | Apr 14 03:40 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: and VB is nothing new | Apr 14 03:40 |
| cubexyz | AT&T could have let Unix into the public domain | Apr 14 03:40 |
| schestowitz | VB is better in a lot of ways | Apr 14 03:40 |
| schestowitz | your VM, for instance, is more portable | Apr 14 03:41 |
| schestowitz | you don't give up control to proprietary WIndows "store" | Apr 14 03:41 |
| schestowitz | with DRM afaik, even for WSL | Apr 14 03:41 |
| schestowitz | The "2" is funny | Apr 14 03:41 |
| schestowitz | they added a kernel | Apr 14 03:41 |
| schestowitz | so GNU2 is "Linux"? | Apr 14 03:41 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It even runs some stuff without hardware virtualisation, which I guess WSL is now incapable of doing. | Apr 14 03:41 |
| schestowitz | It's like 2.0 | Apr 14 03:41 |
| schestowitz | Rebranding for more hype | Apr 14 03:41 |
| schestowitz | people didn't express interest in WSL, so they rebranded with a 2 | Apr 14 03:42 |
| schestowitz | what next? WSL 3.11? | Apr 14 03:42 |
| schestowitz | Oh, BTW | Apr 14 03:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, it is fundamentally different, so a major version number makes sense. | Apr 14 03:42 |
| schestowitz | KDE project shared some usage figures/download figures from Windows store | Apr 14 03:43 |
| schestowitz | it was laughable | Apr 14 03:43 |
| XRevan86 | Although the name no longer makes sense at all. | Apr 14 03:43 |
| schestowitz | like a few thousands of downloads | Apr 14 03:43 |
| XRevan86 | It's not a Windows Subsystem. | Apr 14 03:43 |
| schestowitz | makes you wonder if packaging for this DRM store was even worth the time/effort | Apr 14 03:43 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: it's a VM controlled by Microsoft | Apr 14 03:43 |
| schestowitz | and you don't need MS for that VM | Apr 14 03:43 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday phoronix wrote about it... | Apr 14 03:44 |
| schestowitz | phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home | Apr 14 03:44 |
| XRevan86 | It's Linux Integrated into Windows with Virtualisation for Some Reason, or LIWVSR for short. | Apr 14 03:44 |
| cubexyz | better just to not use windows at all | Apr 14 03:44 |
| schestowitz | ugly popups and spyware | Apr 14 03:44 |
| schestowitz | but search page for WSL | Apr 14 03:44 |
| cubexyz | that's what I try to tell people | Apr 14 03:44 |
| schestowitz | I cannot open it without consenting to Quantcast malware | Apr 14 03:44 |
| schestowitz | they cannot handle the latest Ubuntu, so one might as well use VB with the latest beta, which is a week old | Apr 14 03:45 |
| schestowitz | so as usual, Microsoft's way is inferior and behind | Apr 14 03:45 |
| cubexyz | well it's really bloated | Apr 14 03:47 |
| XRevan86 | Bundled Linux Over Windows, or BLOW | Apr 14 03:48 |
| XRevan86 | nailed it | Apr 14 03:48 |
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| cubexyz | winbloat2020 | Apr 14 03:50 |
| cubexyz | you don't want it but here it is anyway | Apr 14 03:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/wisconsin-election-results-biden/index.html | Apr 14 03:51 |
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| schestowitz | haha | Apr 14 03:51 |
| schestowitz | didn't see that coming | Apr 14 03:51 |
| schestowitz | give it a few months and more republican voters will die there | Apr 14 03:51 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: let me know if/when we start, I'll be here all morning | Apr 14 03:56 |
| Ariadne | ok | Apr 14 03:57 |
| Ariadne | WSL is pretty awful tbh | Apr 14 03:58 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: technicalities aside, the objective of it is what's awful | Apr 14 04:23 |
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| Ariadne | schestowitz: yes, but MS had to pay a significant price to get alpine's cooperation | Apr 14 04:23 |
| schestowitz | they should say no, there are antitrust aspects too | Apr 14 04:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft did this with Novell as well | Apr 14 04:24 |
| schestowitz | for them to play along with ooxml in go-oo, for making SUSE subservient in the VM chain (hyper-V) etc. | Apr 14 04:25 |
| Ariadne | well, really, i think having to join OIN to secure a trademark license is not the worst deal on the planet | Apr 14 04:25 |
| schestowitz | for a little money they can get the competitors to play slave | Apr 14 04:25 |
| Ariadne | although really, the problem is software patents exist in general | Apr 14 04:25 |
| schestowitz | yes, work in progress | Apr 14 04:25 |
| schestowitz | OIN supports those | Apr 14 04:25 |
| schestowitz | we want to use Alice to end them altogether | Apr 14 04:25 |
| Ariadne | yes, i am not happy about that | Apr 14 04:26 |
| schestowitz | I have an article for techrights to do about it today, maybe an hour from now | Apr 14 04:26 |
| Ariadne | but i will take the elimination of several revenue streams | Apr 14 04:26 |
| schestowitz | so be it | Apr 14 04:26 |
| schestowitz | it needs to happen | Apr 14 04:26 |
| schestowitz | IBM will need to earn money another way | Apr 14 04:26 |
| schestowitz | their patents on HDD and such... OK | Apr 14 04:27 |
| Ariadne | even debian just caved | Apr 14 04:27 |
| schestowitz | but not on things like "click this box... on a web site" | Apr 14 04:27 |
| Ariadne | alpine was the only one that stood up and forced them to give us some concessions | Apr 14 04:27 |
| Ariadne | that is real power, but distributions do not wish to wield it | Apr 14 04:27 |
| schestowitz | debian doesn't seem to be playing Microsoft's way, maybe more Google's way | Apr 14 04:27 |
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| Ariadne | yes, but debian granted microsoft the trademark license they requested for WSL | Apr 14 04:28 |
| schestowitz | wsl lost all momentum, hence 2.0 hype | Apr 14 04:28 |
| Ariadne | alpine only did so after the OIN deal | Apr 14 04:28 |
| Ariadne | i negotiated that deal :) | Apr 14 04:28 |
| schestowitz | which they weaponise the media for... Bisson, Popa etc. | Apr 14 04:28 |
| schestowitz | WSL '2' is still behind the competition | Apr 14 04:28 |
| schestowitz | they rely on branding or brand awareness | Apr 14 04:28 |
| Ariadne | i haven't tried WSL 2 | Apr 14 04:29 |
| schestowitz | the use case is not clear | Apr 14 04:29 |
| Ariadne | the only time i ever touch windows is to recover my POWER9 machine, since the IPMI tools do not work correctly on alpine | Apr 14 04:29 |
| schestowitz | people can download an iso and spin it as a vm | Apr 14 04:29 |
| Ariadne | the idea is that you can mix windows tools and linux tools | Apr 14 04:29 |
| Ariadne | but the integration is really not that great | Apr 14 04:30 |
| schestowitz | you can do that by other means too | Apr 14 04:30 |
| schestowitz | they will mothball that team one day | Apr 14 04:30 |
| Ariadne | WSL isn't about linux so much, as it is about Mac OS | Apr 14 04:30 |
| schestowitz | unless they get a significant chunk of - well... - actual users | Apr 14 04:30 |
| Ariadne | they want to provide a UNIX userspace like the Mac does | Apr 14 04:30 |
| schestowitz | wsl1 did not do that | Apr 14 04:30 |
| Ariadne | but it's halfassed | Apr 14 04:30 |
| schestowitz | Mac isn't NT | Apr 14 04:30 |
| Ariadne | like cygwin | Apr 14 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Apple won't sell well after a financial crisis, either | Apr 14 04:31 |
| Ariadne | most people i know who gave WSL a shot went back to using their macs | Apr 14 04:31 |
| Ariadne | because the integration was awful | Apr 14 04:31 |
| Ariadne | but Mac OS isn't what it used to be | Apr 14 04:31 |
| Ariadne | it has gotten pretty bad too | Apr 14 04:31 |
| schestowitz | that's why we asked MS for "active" users | Apr 14 04:31 |
| schestowitz | a figure they very well know because it's tied to their telemetry back end | Apr 14 04:32 |
| schestowitz | they refuse to even say | Apr 14 04:32 |
| schestowitz | then they said they'll disclose on X | Apr 14 04:32 |
| schestowitz | and X passed | Apr 14 04:32 |
| Ariadne | well, the other aspect of that agreement is that i do have numbers | Apr 14 04:32 |
| schestowitz | and then they refuse to even talk about it :-) | Apr 14 04:32 |
| Ariadne | and they are not very good | Apr 14 04:32 |
| schestowitz | of course not | Apr 14 04:32 |
| schestowitz | otherwise they'd boast | Apr 14 04:32 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/12/05/wsl-secrets/ | Apr 14 04:33 |
| Ariadne | like maybe 50k people using alpine on WSL2, with roughly 30% of WSL2 market share | Apr 14 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Staff Repeatedly Refuses to Tell How Many People Use WSL, Defends Patent Extortion and Blackmail of Linux Instead | Techrights | Apr 14 04:33 | |
| Ariadne | i'm sure you can deduce the total numbers from that | Apr 14 04:33 |
| Ariadne | :) | Apr 14 04:33 |
| schestowitz | on who's promoting WSL and WSL '2' (Batman Returns) http://techrights.org/2019/12/08/popaganda/ | Apr 14 04:33 |
| Ariadne | it is a 6 figure number | Apr 14 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | You Know WSL is Bad for GNU/Linux Because Anti-Linux People, Microsoft and Its Propagandists, Want People to Use That | Techrights | Apr 14 04:33 | |
| Ariadne | quite boring | Apr 14 04:33 |
| schestowitz | yeah, what I thought was under a million | Apr 14 04:34 |
| schestowitz | although 150k and 950k are different | Apr 14 04:34 |
| Ariadne | WSL could be good for GNU/Linux in some ways | Apr 14 04:34 |
| schestowitz | and if the former, they'll mothball the team | Apr 14 04:34 |
| Ariadne | but | Apr 14 04:34 |
| schestowitz | it costs them millions a year | Apr 14 04:34 |
| schestowitz | not including the marketing budget, spamming the media | Apr 14 04:34 |
| Ariadne | it's complicated | Apr 14 04:34 |
| schestowitz | WSL IMHO helps sell the illusion VIsta10 is "Linux" | Apr 14 04:35 |
| Ariadne | WSL could be good for GNU/Linux in the same way that Docker is good for GNU/Linux | Apr 14 04:35 |
| schestowitz | and it helps dilute the brand | Apr 14 04:35 |
| Ariadne | yes, but that's not MS objective | Apr 14 04:35 |
| Ariadne | MS is trying to go after Mac | Apr 14 04:35 |
| schestowitz | It also googlebombs the news, putting Vista10 'mindshare' in Linux feeds | Apr 14 04:35 |
| Ariadne | MS does not give a shit about desktop Linux | Apr 14 04:35 |
| Ariadne | let us be real here, in the big picture, desktop Linux is a joke | Apr 14 04:35 |
| Ariadne | GNU or otherwise | Apr 14 04:35 |
| schestowitz | CHromebooks? | Apr 14 04:35 |
| schestowitz | that's gentoo based | Apr 14 04:35 |
| Ariadne | i don't count ChromeOS as desktop linux | Apr 14 04:36 |
| schestowitz | it's ruining their monopoly on schools | Apr 14 04:36 |
| Ariadne | ChromeOS is a locked down DRM ridden pile of shit | Apr 14 04:36 |
| Ariadne | that tramples on freedom | Apr 14 04:36 |
| Ariadne | far more than Windows has ever done | Apr 14 04:36 |
| schestowitz | the desktop is less important for sure | Apr 14 04:36 |
| schestowitz | esp. from a revenue POV | Apr 14 04:36 |
| Ariadne | schools like ChromeOS because they can lock it down even more than windows | Apr 14 04:36 |
| schestowitz | which is all they count | Apr 14 04:36 |
| schestowitz | they try to use it as ramp for subscriptions and data hoard | Apr 14 04:36 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Apr 14 04:37 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the tip on WSL figures | Apr 14 04:37 |
| schestowitz | helps reaffirm what I heard | Apr 14 04:37 |
| schestowitz | that it's really so awful they don't want to talk about it | Apr 14 04:37 |
| Ariadne | fedora and debian collude with microsoft, alpine extracted the OIN deal as a concession | Apr 14 04:37 |
| Ariadne | i think this tells us about who is really trying to fight for software freedom | Apr 14 04:38 |
| schestowitz | fedora is weird | Apr 14 04:38 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know about debian | Apr 14 04:38 |
| schestowitz | fedora used to have ambassadors | Apr 14 04:38 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: yesterday opensource.com introduce a tool and gave only OS X instructions | Apr 14 04:39 |
| schestowitz | even though a gnu/linux version existed | Apr 14 04:40 |
| schestowitz | so I joked with rianne about what you had said about "fedora infrastructure" on a "Mac"-branded PC | Apr 14 04:40 |
| schestowitz | IBM was long in bed with Apple when Ginny ran the place | Apr 14 04:40 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: | Apr 14 05:01 |
| schestowitz | > So, as figured, WSL has failed to gain any significant level of | Apr 14 05:01 |
| schestowitz | > adoption. It makes sense. If you have to run Vista10, it goes into a | Apr 14 05:01 |
| schestowitz | > VM not the other way around. That way you can keep Vista10 on a short | Apr 14 05:01 |
| schestowitz | > leash as well as use snapshots to roll back /when/ it curdles. At the | Apr 14 05:01 |
| schestowitz | > same time you have all the other advantages conferred by running | Apr 14 05:01 |
| schestowitz | > GNU/Linux natively. WSL, like other products before it, seems to | Apr 14 05:01 |
| schestowitz | > fulfill two purposes and two alone: be a time sink and keep developers | Apr 14 05:01 |
| schestowitz | > on the reservation. | Apr 14 05:02 |
| schestowitz | -techrights associate | Apr 14 05:02 |
| oiaohm | WSL1 is repeated failure for not being able to run the latest distributions. | Apr 14 05:02 |
| oiaohm | WSL2 is starting to run into the same problems. | Apr 14 05:02 |
| schestowitz | yes, phoronix wrote about it 2 days ago | Apr 14 05:03 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel being stuck on a 4.19 kernel ubuntu 20.10 is really after a 5.4 kernel version. | Apr 14 05:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel: The source for the Linux kernel used in Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 (WSL2) | Apr 14 05:04 | |
| schestowitz | as I said: | Apr 14 05:04 |
| schestowitz | 1) I don't know anyone who uses WSL | Apr 14 05:04 |
| schestowitz | 2) Among blog posts from 2016-2020 I saw only 2 or so of people who actively use it | Apr 14 05:04 |
| Ariadne | as mentioned, the only people i know who tried it went back to using macs | Apr 14 05:04 |
| schestowitz | most coverage of it is Microsoft-connected fluff (marketing) | Apr 14 05:04 |
| Ariadne | this isn't about gnu/linux as much as it is about providing a competitor to the mac terminal | Apr 14 05:04 |
| oiaohm | I see WSL as a tread mil of failure that will keep on forcing Microsoft in a particular reason. | Apr 14 05:05 |
| Ariadne | trust me, nobody cares about desktop linux | Apr 14 05:05 |
| schestowitz | we do | Apr 14 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people on mac are using linux vms | Apr 14 05:05 |
| Ariadne | yes, we do, but your average person does not | Apr 14 05:05 |
| oiaohm | When you are deploy on Linux servers not test that stuff comes problem. | Apr 14 05:05 |
| schestowitz | we won't be using 'phones' to do our coding | Apr 14 05:05 |
| schestowitz | or to connect to servers | Apr 14 05:05 |
| Ariadne | your average "developer" is a latte-sipping mac user who is chilling at starbucks | Apr 14 05:05 |
| Ariadne | and that is what WSL targets | Apr 14 05:06 |
| oiaohm | WSL was design with the idea trying to make the work flow for servers back linked all to Microsoft. | Apr 14 05:06 |
| schestowitz | they're hipster devs | Apr 14 05:06 |
| oiaohm | Its not really working out. | Apr 14 05:06 |
| schestowitz | JS and stuff | Apr 14 05:06 |
| schestowitz | not heavy duty stuff, more like site and "YOU-AX" (UX) | Apr 14 05:06 |
| schestowitz | not people who do things like Google Cloud infrastructure | Apr 14 05:06 |
| oiaohm | WSL offically contains no Linux desktop bits. | Apr 14 05:06 |
| schestowitz | or setting up GIS systems | Apr 14 05:06 |
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| oiaohm | fun part is for gpu acceleration of stuff on servers that is problemmatic. | Apr 14 05:07 |
| Ariadne | anyway, arguing with people who live in a GNU bubble about the realities of capitalist software companies is not a great use of my time | Apr 14 05:08 |
| oiaohm | Ariadne: really you can say Linux desktop is a joke problem is some server workloads you do need fragments out of the desktop side so they work well. | Apr 14 05:08 |
| Ariadne | oiaohm: cool | Apr 14 05:08 |
| Ariadne | that's great, but devs don't give a shit | Apr 14 05:08 |
| Ariadne | WSL is a product that is meant to be used as glue | Apr 14 05:08 |
| Ariadne | as is done on the mac | Apr 14 05:08 |
| oiaohm | dev do when there stuff does not run well. | Apr 14 05:08 |
| Ariadne | i have spoken to plenty of MS people about WSL | Apr 14 05:09 |
| Ariadne | when i say "devs" i mean the devs MS is targeting with WSL, typescript, vs code, etc | Apr 14 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Ariadne: so am I. Like there are particular things like gpu acceleration in postgresql databases and other things. | Apr 14 05:10 |
| Ariadne | those people want to use bash scripts to tie together adobe photoshop and npm | Apr 14 05:10 |
| oiaohm | Yes they need X11 server due to Nvidia stupid interfaces | Apr 14 05:10 |
| Ariadne | which they can do on mac, and mac works well for this | Apr 14 05:10 |
| Ariadne | wsl however is completely broken for this | Apr 14 05:10 |
| oiaohm | No | Apr 14 05:10 |
| Ariadne | so nobody uses it | Apr 14 05:10 |
| Ariadne | yes | Apr 14 05:10 |
| oiaohm | There are a few acceleration things you need Linux kernel or they don't work. | Apr 14 05:11 |
| Ariadne | yes, i know | Apr 14 05:11 |
| Ariadne | but guess what | Apr 14 05:11 |
| Ariadne | these people who use WSL aren't doing any of that shit | Apr 14 05:11 |
| Ariadne | or rather, the intended audience of WSL, since nobody actually uses WSL | Apr 14 05:12 |
| oiaohm | No those people are not using WSL but they have open bugs asking for the features against WSL. | Apr 14 05:12 |
| Ariadne | yes, and those features are out of scope of the product | Apr 14 05:12 |
| Ariadne | is what i am telling you | Apr 14 05:12 |
| Ariadne | MS does not care | Apr 14 05:12 |
| Ariadne | WSL has one purpose and one purpose only, to compete with OS X terminal experience | Apr 14 05:12 |
| Ariadne | using linux userspace to accomplish this | Apr 14 05:13 |
| oiaohm | To be correct that is no. | Apr 14 05:13 |
| Ariadne | it is incidentally a massive failure | Apr 14 05:13 |
| Ariadne | because it does not even accomplish the intended purpose | Apr 14 05:13 |
| Ariadne | the target audience tries WSL and returns to using their macs instead | Apr 14 05:13 |
| Ariadne | because the key thing that makes all of this work on the mac is | Apr 14 05:14 |
| oiaohm | The WSL stuff starts wanting to run Android under windows mobile. The from the Azure team to attempt to move Linux server workloads back to Windows server. Then finally to Windows Desktop.. | Apr 14 05:14 |
| oiaohm | So Mac really does not have anything todo with that path. | Apr 14 05:14 |
| oiaohm | Its a long long list of failure after failure. | Apr 14 05:14 |
| Ariadne | that's funny considering every MS person i have talked to has said that it does on windows desktop | Apr 14 05:14 |
| oiaohm | They don't talk about the history. | Apr 14 05:15 |
| Ariadne | i'm aware of the history | Apr 14 05:15 |
| oiaohm | They are told not to talk about the history. | Apr 14 05:15 |
| Ariadne | but it is in windows desktop to try to compete with macs | Apr 14 05:15 |
| Ariadne | that is the reality | Apr 14 05:15 |
| Ariadne | anyway, this conversation is not a good use of my time | Apr 14 05:16 |
| oiaohm | It was the Azure guys who first put the prototype in desktop. | Apr 14 05:16 |
| oiaohm | It server driven first. | Apr 14 05:16 |
| oiaohm | Mac is the latter cover story. | Apr 14 05:16 |
| Ariadne | either way | Apr 14 05:16 |
| Ariadne | it does not fucking matter | Apr 14 05:16 |
| Ariadne | because they have failed with that too | Apr 14 05:17 |
| Ariadne | and i was going to explain that fail but you are sperging about server and azure and blah blah blah | Apr 14 05:17 |
| Ariadne | so never fucking mind | Apr 14 05:17 |
| oiaohm | Now if they could get WSL to work on the desktop with funding there they then could attempt the windows server bit again. | Apr 14 05:17 |
| oiaohm | So far it not working out well at all. | Apr 14 05:17 |
| Ariadne | the problem is that desktop use of terminal for your average person | Apr 14 05:17 |
| Ariadne | is automation | Apr 14 05:17 |
| Ariadne | and OS X has applescript | Apr 14 05:17 |
| Ariadne | and you can fire off applescript events from terminal apps | Apr 14 05:18 |
| Ariadne | WSL does not have anything like this | Apr 14 05:18 |
| Ariadne | so its basically fucking useless for typical users | Apr 14 05:18 |
| oiaohm | You have more native Linux automation | Apr 14 05:18 |
| Ariadne | yes | Apr 14 05:18 |
| Ariadne | but the people microsoft want to entice with windows 10 (mac users) | Apr 14 05:19 |
| Ariadne | want to drive adobe photoshop etc | Apr 14 05:19 |
| Ariadne | not linux desktop apps | Apr 14 05:19 |
| Ariadne | they do not care about linux desktop apps | Apr 14 05:19 |
| Ariadne | they care about the proprietary apps they already paid a lot of money for | Apr 14 05:19 |
| oiaohm | Its been the problem that the command line automations of Linux was failing big tme under WSL1 and WSL2 is now failing with some of that as welll ie docker failures. | Apr 14 05:20 |
| oiaohm | So its not just graphical automation that missing/screwed. | Apr 14 05:20 |
| Ariadne | sure | Apr 14 05:20 |
| Ariadne | i'm just saying for typical desktop users looking for terminal experience | Apr 14 05:20 |
| Ariadne | automating the apps they already have is the big thing | Apr 14 05:20 |
| Ariadne | and WSL is useless for this | Apr 14 05:21 |
| oiaohm | automation of automated testsuite when you modify a program for Linux is important that it works as well. | Apr 14 05:21 |
| oiaohm | That has been failing as well. | Apr 14 05:21 |
| Ariadne | microsoft sell this as symbiosis between linux and windows environment, best of both worlds | Apr 14 05:21 |
| Ariadne | but in reality | Apr 14 05:21 |
| oiaohm | Yep a broken mess. | Apr 14 05:21 |
| Ariadne | you can't make use of windows environment effectively in WSL | Apr 14 05:21 |
| Ariadne | verses mac | Apr 14 05:22 |
| oiaohm | Even if you could not use the windows environment in WSL its no the biggest deal breaker. | Apr 14 05:22 |
| Ariadne | where you can drive basically any mac app you want from terminal | Apr 14 05:22 |
| Ariadne | since applescript is baked into the core | Apr 14 05:22 |
| oiaohm | The fact you modify something like gcc rebuild it and run it test suit and its bogus results is the deal breaker of the largest scale. | Apr 14 05:23 |
| Ariadne | the average person wants to do something like | Apr 14 05:23 |
| Ariadne | render these scenes in adobe premiere and pop up a directory window once it's done | Apr 14 05:23 |
| oiaohm | I am not talking average I am talking developer | Apr 14 05:23 |
| oiaohm | server stuff developer. | Apr 14 05:23 |
| oiaohm | They want the test suites of what they modify to be trueful | Apr 14 05:24 |
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| oiaohm | WSL1 and WSL2 is not giving that. | Apr 14 05:24 |
| Ariadne | well, running a test suite under emulation is a waste of time anyway | Apr 14 05:24 |
| Ariadne | which is why x86 has won | Apr 14 05:24 |
| Ariadne | people want server to match what they have locally | Apr 14 05:25 |
| oiaohm | test suite under emulation is not always a waste of time. | Apr 14 05:25 |
| Ariadne | it depends on the quality of emulation | Apr 14 05:25 |
| Ariadne | qemu-user, wsl1, wsl2 are all insufficient | Apr 14 05:25 |
| oiaohm | using qemu emulating arm building gcc on a real Linux system give real results. | Apr 14 05:25 |
| oiaohm | sorry to say I have used a lot of qemu-user. | Apr 14 05:25 |
| Ariadne | qemu-user for mips is quite buggy | Apr 14 05:26 |
| Ariadne | programs will hang randomly | Apr 14 05:26 |
| oiaohm | qemu-user results are right 99 percent for arm | Apr 14 05:26 |
| Ariadne | but run fine on real hardware | Apr 14 05:26 |
| oiaohm | qemu mips emulation I will give you is problem child. | Apr 14 05:26 |
| oiaohm | Please note qemu mips is problem child in full vm as well as user mode so its not one or the other. | Apr 14 05:28 |
| Ariadne | qemu-mips got us a lot of the way with alpine porting tho | Apr 14 05:28 |
| Ariadne | so it is not the worst :) | Apr 14 05:28 |
| oiaohm | Even that qemu-mips is a problem child is still not as bad as WSl1 | Apr 14 05:28 |
| Ariadne | oh yes, WSL1 is quite bad | Apr 14 05:29 |
| Ariadne | i refuse to accept bug reports from WSL1 users in some of my software | Apr 14 05:29 |
| schestowitz | seems like diversion of efforts | Apr 14 05:30 |
| schestowitz | to fix bugs for Microsoft, for free... | Apr 14 05:30 |
| schestowitz | for them to better control gnu and linux | Apr 14 05:30 |
| oiaohm | Its double sided. | Apr 14 05:31 |
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| oiaohm | Now that Microsoft is shipping the Linux kernel with Windows 10 they are getting more restricted what they can do on the patent side as well. | Apr 14 05:31 |
| Ariadne | if microsoft wanted to control gnu/linux they could just make a windows 11 with their desktop ported to run on a linux userspace | Apr 14 05:31 |
| Ariadne | which incidentally, from what i hear, is basically what they are doing | Apr 14 05:32 |
| oiaohm | So planning to get rid of the Nt kernel? | Apr 14 05:32 |
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| Ariadne | there is huge technical debt in NT and Win32 | Apr 14 05:32 |
| Ariadne | they would like to be rid of it | Apr 14 05:32 |
| Ariadne | hince UWP | Apr 14 05:32 |
| Ariadne | hince writing an NT portability layer for linux (drawbridge) | Apr 14 05:33 |
| Ariadne | besides, enterprise services is the primary revenue stream for MS anymore | Apr 14 05:33 |
| Ariadne | active directory, exchange, dynamics, etc | Apr 14 05:34 |
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| Ariadne | but they are expected to provide a OS to drive those businesses | Apr 14 05:35 |
| Ariadne | it makes more business sense to use "open source" (god i hate that phrase) to reduce the costs of their OS program | Apr 14 05:36 |
| schestowitz | well | Apr 14 05:36 |
| oiaohm | Ariadne: that kind of wrong. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/drawbridge/ drawbridge was in fact design to be on top of Windows not LInux. | Apr 14 05:36 |
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| schestowitz | they want commodity then | Apr 14 05:36 |
| schestowitz | not "open source" | Apr 14 05:36 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft basically reached around and grabed what parts they could to port sql server and other things. | Apr 14 05:36 |
| schestowitz | and the "added value" won't free free software | Apr 14 05:37 |
| schestowitz | so we need to aim for something else | Apr 14 05:37 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: microsoft see themselves as the new IBM basically | Apr 14 05:37 |
| Ariadne | although really, they are more like the new Oracle | Apr 14 05:37 |
| Ariadne | all of these companies are quite ghastly | Apr 14 05:37 |
| oiaohm | Ariadne: funny right drawbridge was designed for windows yet out of need to due dropping server market to sell sql server to they end up porting it to Linux. | Apr 14 05:37 |
| schestowitz | IBM came from hardware | Apr 14 05:38 |
| schestowitz | unless you mean the patents | Apr 14 05:38 |
| Ariadne | oiaohm: i'm aware of drawbridge's initial purpose | Apr 14 05:38 |
| schestowitz | they also got the same person, Phelps | Apr 14 05:38 |
| schestowitz | tbh we can mostly ignore microsoft in this space | Apr 14 05:38 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways Microsoft is basically doing Linux support not because they want to but because they have to so they don't keep on losing market share. | Apr 14 05:38 |
| schestowitz | and speak of free software in a broader sense | Apr 14 05:39 |
| Ariadne | oiaohm: correct | Apr 14 05:39 |
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| schestowitz | issues like control, autotomy, decentralisation, privacy... | Apr 14 05:39 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: also correct, at this point, microsoft is not really the largest threat, they are being increasingly defanged because of their love affair with linux | Apr 14 05:39 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: our goal is to make them lose market share | Apr 14 05:39 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: so don't help them | Apr 14 05:39 |
| Ariadne | i don't really care about microsoft's market share in enterprise segment | Apr 14 05:40 |
| schestowitz | they're still the most viciously anti-linux, and have a reason to (windows) | Apr 14 05:40 |
| Ariadne | i would rather work with microsoft than oracle | Apr 14 05:40 |
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| Ariadne | (realistically, i'd rather work with neither) | Apr 14 05:40 |
| schestowitz | oracle is not trying to destory linux | Apr 14 05:40 |
| schestowitz | it's like default platform for oracle | Apr 14 05:40 |
| schestowitz | even gnu | Apr 14 05:40 |
| oiaohm | Oracle is not 100 percent friendly either. | Apr 14 05:40 |
| Ariadne | no, oracle has more dubious intentions | Apr 14 05:40 |
| Ariadne | oracle wants to use software patents to extract revenue from mysql users | Apr 14 05:41 |
| Ariadne | they just haven't executed on this yet | Apr 14 05:41 |
| oiaohm | OpenOffice mess leading to Libreoffice or the mysql mess.... | Apr 14 05:41 |
| schestowitz | oracle does not mind us using debian | Apr 14 05:41 |
| schestowitz | microsoft minds | Apr 14 05:41 |
| Ariadne | i don't think microsoft cares | Apr 14 05:41 |
| oiaohm | There are a long list of messes orcale management has caused in the open source world. | Apr 14 05:41 |
| Ariadne | like i said, at this point, enterprise is their revenue stream | Apr 14 05:41 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways Oracle is more distruptive to open source operations than Microsoft. | Apr 14 05:42 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: that's what Microsoft did | Apr 14 05:42 |
| schestowitz | asking for patent money from mysql | Apr 14 05:42 |
| schestowitz | not Oracle | Apr 14 05:42 |
| Ariadne | at one point, microsoft may have cared about gnu/linux | Apr 14 05:42 |
| schestowitz | afaik | Apr 14 05:42 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: yes, and oracle wishes to do the same too | Apr 14 05:42 |
| schestowitz | correct me if I missed something about patent demands from oracle... not Dalvik | Apr 14 05:42 |
| oiaohm | Ariadne: I would not say Microsoft cared about gnu/Linux ever. | Apr 14 05:42 |
| schestowitz | OK, so we can agree on getting rid of both | Apr 14 05:43 |
| Ariadne | oiaohm: on server, they did for a while | Apr 14 05:43 |
| schestowitz | not helping either scoracle or sco/msft | Apr 14 05:43 |
| Ariadne | oiaohm: but then they started shifting towards enterprise | Apr 14 05:43 |
| oiaohm | I would say Microsoft found themselves in a location with azure and other places where they need to be friendly or else. | Apr 14 05:43 |
| schestowitz | azure is a failure and a fraud | Apr 14 05:43 |
| schestowitz | they decommission DCs now | Apr 14 05:43 |
| oiaohm | Ariadne: remember samba project sued Microsoft and Microsoft got a court order to play nice or else. | Apr 14 05:43 |
| schestowitz | quietly | Apr 14 05:43 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Apr 14 05:43 |
| oiaohm | I don't see Microsoft acting nice to Linux as something they willing did. | Apr 14 05:44 |
| schestowitz | insiders would tell you, they also lose loads of money trying to take share from aws and after years of trying, they can only fake 'success' with corrupt media | Apr 14 05:44 |
| Ariadne | oiaohm: in ballmer era, i agree, but at this point, as i said, they have shifted focus a lot | Apr 14 05:44 |
| oiaohm | More something where their arm was twisted by many parties and they basically started crying uncle in the form of we love linux. | Apr 14 05:44 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: they still do patent blackmail | Apr 14 05:44 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: so do IBM and Oracle | Apr 14 05:45 |
| schestowitz | the difference is that they tell us they love us | Apr 14 05:45 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: so do IBM and Oracle | Apr 14 05:45 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: different targets | Apr 14 05:45 |
| schestowitz | ibm seems to target web companies | Apr 14 05:45 |
| Ariadne | anyway, this is mostly defanged now | Apr 14 05:45 |
| Ariadne | because if microsoft threatens you | Apr 14 05:45 |
| Ariadne | all you have to do is join OIN | Apr 14 05:45 |
| Ariadne | or IBM or Oracle | Apr 14 05:45 |
| Ariadne | haha | Apr 14 05:45 |
| schestowitz | and I'm told to wait and see if tjhe new ceo and pres of IBM (the latter being Jim) do the same or end it | Apr 14 05:45 |
| Ariadne | the end game is to destroy software patents | Apr 14 05:46 |
| oiaohm | IBM history its insane rare they use patents offensively. Most common problem with IBM and patents is you attacked them and of course they hit back./ | Apr 14 05:46 |
| schestowitz | only days ago they started these jobs/positions | Apr 14 05:46 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: agred | Apr 14 05:46 |
| schestowitz | *eed | Apr 14 05:46 |
| Ariadne | i am just saying, at this point | Apr 14 05:46 |
| Ariadne | i think microsoft is quite irrelevant | Apr 14 05:46 |
| oiaohm | Oracle and Microsoft history you find them selling patents to trolls so their patents are used agreesively without there name being linked to it. | Apr 14 05:47 |
| schestowitz | it is in some senses | Apr 14 05:47 |
| Ariadne | we have quite effectively neutered them | Apr 14 05:47 |
| schestowitz | but we still want more people to use LINUX or LUNIX on their stuff | Apr 14 05:47 |
| Ariadne | do we? | Apr 14 05:47 |
| schestowitz | not just android malware and "CHROME" | Apr 14 05:47 |
| oiaohm | IBM has a funny one back in history the first troll IBM sold a patent to sold it to another patent troll who then attacked IBM with it. | Apr 14 05:47 |
| Ariadne | i would like people to use the highest quality free software they can find | Apr 14 05:47 |
| schestowitz | yes, we do, it would pave the way to more free sw like libreoffice | Apr 14 05:47 |
| oiaohm | At that point IBM put a policy in don't sell patents. | Apr 14 05:47 |
| Ariadne | unfortunately, that is not really GNU/Linux in a lot of ways | Apr 14 05:47 |
| oiaohm | IBM patents over all there are lot of them but IBM not generally aggressive. | Apr 14 05:48 |
| Ariadne | for example, Alpine is not a GNU/Linux system. | Apr 14 05:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe it will be over time | Apr 14 05:49 |
| Ariadne | because modern GNU/Linux is complicated and built on dubious engineering like systemd | Apr 14 05:49 |
| schestowitz | although the new leadership suggests otherwise | Apr 14 05:49 |
| schestowitz | Rometty made them a bigger bully | Apr 14 05:49 |
| Ariadne | Alpine uses GNU components where they are the best available | Apr 14 05:49 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit before systemd was also dubious engineering. | Apr 14 05:49 |
| Ariadne | indeed | Apr 14 05:49 |
| schestowitz | Palmisano I liked... he also supported ODF and stuff | Apr 14 05:49 |
| Ariadne | and i think diversity in free software choices is a good thing | Apr 14 05:50 |
| oiaohm | I would say yes and on on diversity | Apr 14 05:50 |
| oiaohm | We do have cases where projects are too far under resourced so they would be better off to reduce choices and merge in some areas so they have more suitable man power. | Apr 14 05:51 |
| Ariadne | tbh i see rust as a serious threat to software freedom | Apr 14 05:51 |
| oiaohm | Some cases diversity is good some cases it bad but its case by case. | Apr 14 05:51 |
| Ariadne | because rust has harmed the portability of free software | Apr 14 05:52 |
| oiaohm | Same could be said about historic C its not that portable really. | Apr 14 05:52 |
| Ariadne | as well as the viability of binary distribution | Apr 14 05:52 |
| Ariadne | (rust does not have a stable ABI) | Apr 14 05:53 |
| Ariadne | (or a formal specification) | Apr 14 05:53 |
| oiaohm | Neither does C | Apr 14 05:53 |
| oiaohm | on the stable ABI bit. | Apr 14 05:53 |
| oiaohm | Does have a formal specification so that is a help. | Apr 14 05:53 |
| oiaohm | But early C did not have a formal specification either. | Apr 14 05:53 |
| Ariadne | C has platform-level stable ABIs (POSIX), and a formal specification. | Apr 14 05:53 |
| oiaohm | That came latter in C history. | Apr 14 05:54 |
| Ariadne | (well, POSIX and the ELF ABIs) | Apr 14 05:54 |
| oiaohm | Rust is still quite young. | Apr 14 05:54 |
| Ariadne | yes, i know | Apr 14 05:54 |
| oiaohm | If rust grows up like C did it will not be a problem. | Apr 14 05:54 |
| Ariadne | yes, rust is quite young, which means it is irresponsible to rewrite things like librsvg in it | Apr 14 05:54 |
| Ariadne | now, we have to ship an ancient librsvg for architectures rust does not support | Apr 14 05:54 |
| schestowitz | rust is mirosoft-controlled | Apr 14 05:55 |
| schestowitz | mozilla doesn't see an issue with it | Apr 14 05:55 |
| schestowitz | it even put their discussions on discord | Apr 14 05:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Webkit is an absolute disaster now that Google and others have abandoned it and it's all Apple again. | Apr 14 05:55 |
| schestowitz | (I think they've walked back on the latter though) | Apr 14 05:55 |
| Ariadne | mozilla is now using matrix, which isn't much better | Apr 14 05:55 |
| Ariadne | but why matrix is a problem is a discussion for another day | Apr 14 05:55 |
| schestowitz | better than discord at least | Apr 14 05:55 |
| schestowitz | license-wise | Apr 14 05:56 |
| Ariadne | well, yes, one is proprietary service and the other you can self-host | Apr 14 05:57 |
| Ariadne | but the engineering is bad | Apr 14 05:57 |
| Ariadne | and poorly engineered free software harms good will towards the use of other free software | Apr 14 05:58 |
| Ariadne | so we need free software that has good engineering instead of matrix on the front against discord | Apr 14 05:59 |
| Ariadne | which was something i was overseeing at pleroma, but i ultimately decided to leave pleroma to pursue other opportunities because i got tired of hearing about hate groups using this technology | Apr 14 06:00 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Apr 14 06:01 |
| schestowitz | this is how they destroy the alternatives | Apr 14 06:09 |
| schestowitz | they associate them with bad | Apr 14 06:09 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they might even intentionally fill them up with it | Apr 14 06:09 |
| schestowitz | and then the platforms lose momentum | Apr 14 06:09 |
| schestowitz | happened to MINDS, too... | Apr 14 06:09 |
| schestowitz | Twitter is still full of crap | Apr 14 06:10 |
| schestowitz | I don't even like reading any of it | Apr 14 06:10 |
| schestowitz | maybe RMS was right and social control media as a concept is doomed to fail | Apr 14 06:10 |
| Ariadne | well, i got a phenomenal opportunity to be paid to oversee and help manage growing alpine | Apr 14 06:10 |
| schestowitz | a shame so much was outsourced to it, inc. comms of politicians and gov. depts. all around the world | Apr 14 06:10 |
| Ariadne | morale was frankly shit at pleroma | Apr 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I can imagine... | Apr 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | Alpine is more importanty | Apr 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | I like how stable it has been | Apr 14 06:11 |
| Ariadne | when you have ignorant people calling you nazi all day because some people use the software that you don't even like | Apr 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | when you're ready we can port over the tuxmachines dbs | Apr 14 06:11 |
| Ariadne | it really kills morale | Apr 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | unless you want to move the DBs another day | Apr 14 06:11 |
| *schestowitz wonders if gab is still 'going' because it's never talked about anymore and they don't mass-mail their crap | Apr 14 06:13 | |
| Ariadne | gab is now running on the mastodon platform | Apr 14 06:14 |
| Ariadne | i'm just thinking about how to execute on moving the DBs | Apr 14 06:14 |
| schestowitz | if they are replicated across, then stopped, then started from remote, then I support it can work OK | Apr 14 06:18 |
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| schestowitz | ...78.20:/var/lib/mysql | Apr 14 06:18 |
| Ariadne | i think the way we should do it | Apr 14 06:20 |
| Ariadne | is to mysqldump | Apr 14 06:20 |
| Ariadne | and then import | Apr 14 06:20 |
| Ariadne | and cut over | Apr 14 06:20 |
| Ariadne | how does that sound | Apr 14 06:20 |
| Ariadne | mysql replication is... a royal pain to set up | Apr 14 06:21 |
| schestowitz | sounds good | Apr 14 06:21 |
| Ariadne | ok give me a moment | Apr 14 06:21 |
| Ariadne | and then we can do a dump | Apr 14 06:21 |
| schestowitz | ok, cheers! | Apr 14 06:22 |
| Ariadne | wow, biden has actually been pulled pretty far to the left | Apr 14 06:25 |
| schestowitz | in what sense, I must have missed it? | Apr 14 06:25 |
| schestowitz | far and left and biden in the same sentence sounds like anagram of a good joke | Apr 14 06:26 |
| schestowitz | he did PATRIOT ACT | Apr 14 06:26 |
| Ariadne | this just happened yesterday | Apr 14 06:27 |
| Ariadne | he had to give up a lot to get bernie to endorse him, they are merging campaigns etc | Apr 14 06:27 |
| schestowitz | well, that happened in 2016 too | Apr 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | and it did not go too well | Apr 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | lots of mergers with Biden | Apr 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | and the same PAC money | Apr 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | that does not inspire much | Apr 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe OK for those not Berners | Apr 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | I saw the reports you may be alluding to | Apr 14 06:29 |
| schestowitz | but... | Apr 14 06:29 |
| schestowitz | it's another 2016 moment | Apr 14 06:29 |
| schestowitz | and with GOP cheating from the driver's seat it looks like an uphill battle against the more corrupt regime in history | Apr 14 06:29 |
| schestowitz | (US history anyway) | Apr 14 06:29 |
| schestowitz | this isn't unlike what we saw in 2016 | Apr 14 06:30 |
| schestowitz | except this time obama isn't in power | Apr 14 06:30 |
| schestowitz | and the election might be postponed | Apr 14 06:30 |
| schestowitz | or covinated for voter suppresion | Apr 14 06:30 |
| schestowitz | the left wants Trump out as much as everyone sane | Apr 14 06:31 |
| schestowitz | but Biden might be the wrong way to go about achieving that | Apr 14 06:31 |
| schestowitz | he's too similar to what he's looking to replace, both conceptually and practically | Apr 14 06:31 |
| schestowitz | another oligarchs-backed person who represents the status quo | Apr 14 06:31 |
| schestowitz | DNC doesn't mind Trump | Apr 14 06:32 |
| schestowitz | over Bernie | Apr 14 06:32 |
| schestowitz | and that's the issue | Apr 14 06:32 |
| schestowitz | the party's sponsors are cool with GOP that's giving them tax breaks and all | Apr 14 06:32 |
| *schestowitz away, but back in a bit... breakfast | Apr 14 06:44 | |
| Ariadne | ok | Apr 14 06:45 |
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| Ariadne | schestowitz: when you have a moment, can you mysqldump | Apr 14 07:13 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: and put it on a URL i can wget | Apr 14 07:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I have a bone to pick in this election. | Apr 14 07:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First off, I get to vote to raise taxes on my in laws. | Apr 14 07:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's cool. | Apr 14 07:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Secondly, I get to vote against the prosecutor that went after me last year. | Apr 14 07:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's my lawyer's partner that's running against the guy. | Apr 14 07:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ethics rules prohibited my lawyer from endorsing him, but he called everyone in the rolodex (or whatever) to mention that he was running and he "just didn't want there to be an appearance of impropriety.....your case will be out of the system by then.....just letting you know". | Apr 14 07:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Honestly I have no idea what he'll really do but I'll help push this guy that went after me out of office. Sure, why not? I'm sure that was the point of the call | Apr 14 07:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tap everyone this guy went after on the shoulder. Tell them that their defense lawyer is running against him. | Apr 14 07:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder how, exactly, the Republicans plan to flip blue states red. | Apr 14 07:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | COVID is the #1 killer of Americans 12 days in a row now and 95% of the people who die are over 50. | Apr 14 07:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unless their plan is to build a time radio to tell people in the 50s to fuck more, they can't replace the people who voted for Trump last time. | Apr 14 07:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The problem I guess for Republicans is that they managed to keep many black people poor and downtrodden for so long that many don't make it to 60 anyway. | Apr 14 07:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a fuckton of them but they're not making new ones. | Apr 14 08:01 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: suggestion still valid? | Apr 14 08:01 |
| schestowitz | after an hour? | Apr 14 08:01 |
| Ariadne | yes | Apr 14 08:01 |
| schestowitz | ok,wait | Apr 14 08:01 |
| Ariadne | i am still here | Apr 14 08:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So whatever damage COVID does to the Trump base is permanent. | Apr 14 08:01 |
| Ariadne | dump the tuxmachines DBs and put them somewhere i can fetch them | Apr 14 08:01 |
| schestowitz | ok | Apr 14 08:02 |
| Ariadne | then i can import | Apr 14 08:02 |
| Ariadne | then we cut over | Apr 14 08:02 |
| Ariadne | done and done | Apr 14 08:02 |
| schestowitz | ok, won't be long | Apr 14 08:02 |
| Ariadne | beyond that | Apr 14 08:05 |
| Ariadne | just don't add new content | Apr 14 08:05 |
| Ariadne | until we cut over | Apr 14 08:05 |
| schestowitz | dumping | Apr 14 08:05 |
| schestowitz | 1/2, drupal first | Apr 14 08:05 |
| schestowitz | should be about 369mb compressed, as per last dump a few hours ago (nightly) | Apr 14 08:05 |
| schestowitz | but I dump again to be sure nothing gets thrown away | Apr 14 08:06 |
| schestowitz | 369577340 Apr 14 07:06 | Apr 14 08:07 |
| Ariadne | ok | Apr 14 08:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is whining now because governors have told him they'll coordinate with each other on when to open back up. | Apr 14 08:15 |
| schestowitz | dumping gallery2 now | Apr 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I had to write a script for it | Apr 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz | as it was too large for /home | Apr 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz | and there was no script for it | Apr 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I hope /var is large enough, I think it is | Apr 14 08:23 |
| schestowitz | I will stop and fg every now and then to monitor disk space | Apr 14 08:24 |
| schestowitz | pause rather than stop | Apr 14 08:24 |
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| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/lXp1ffz7V3M be jealous of the might of the Russian army (fresh). | Apr 14 16:45 |
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| XRevan86 | Repetitions for the Victory Parade 2020 are going as planned. | Apr 14 16:45 |
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| XRevan86 | I wrote about this a week ago, and it's still true. | Apr 14 16:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > Repetitions for the Victory Parade 2020 are going as planned. | Apr 14 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I admit it has turned into a sick obsession for me to hit the reload button to see how many more satisfied customers won't be voting Republican again. | Apr 14 19:40 |
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| XRevan86 | Meanwhile, in many regions (especially Kuban') police detains everybody. Which is a super-great quarantine measure… to puts lots of people into detention. | Apr 14 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | * to put | Apr 14 19:42 |
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| XRevan86 | Driving a car alone to walking a dog alone – that's SARS-CoV-2 spreading right there | Apr 14 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | sitting with inmates in a detention centre – that's safety | Apr 14 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | Another great quarantine measure is to make people get in line to get a free movement pass. | Apr 14 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | nothing better than densely packing people next to an administration building door | Apr 14 19:45 |
| XRevan86 | Russians sacrifise freedoms for safety right now. And this is the kind of safety. | Apr 14 19:45 |
| XRevan86 | that they get | Apr 14 19:46 |
| MinceR | as long as it's _walking_ a dog and not standing on a corner for hours :> | Apr 14 20:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Actually, it's mostly killing Evangelicals, other Trump voters, and prisoners. | Apr 14 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Illinois it's already disposed of at least two child fuckers and a guy with a string of armed robberies and muggings. | Apr 14 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's solving more crime than the goddamned cops. It killed a few of them too, but they're criminals and thugs and were probably on the take anyway because cops and Chicago. | Apr 14 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The Trump voters won't vote Republican again. The prisoners probably don't vote anyway and won't have an effect on the elections, but they won't re-offend after this. Bonus! | Apr 14 20:34 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 14 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I've decided to vote to impeach all judges in Lake County except D. Christopher Lombardo, and to vote for my defense attorney's partner to take over as the prosecutor. | Apr 14 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This place needs an enema. | Apr 14 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then of course the "Raise my in-laws taxes because that's what they get for cussing us out over the phone in the middle of the night twice. | Apr 14 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fuck if I care what the state spends it on. | Apr 14 20:36 |
| MinceR | this place needs a replacement to the human species | Apr 14 20:36 |
| MinceR | something actually intelligent and civilized and not quite so evil | Apr 14 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If this COVID thing ends up killing even 2% of the US population and they're almost entirely over 60, that's a pretty big loss for the Republican party. | Apr 14 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's to the point where it definitely flips some elections away from them. | Apr 14 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We've had several very close elections in my lifetime. Since 2000 there was "officially" 517 votes between Bush and Gore in Florida in 2000. | Apr 14 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then there was like 140 or something in Minnesota between Al Franken and Norm Coleman in 2008. | Apr 14 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't take much to swing an election if it would have been margins like that. | Apr 14 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The Republican prosecutor in Lake County had better hope it stops getting worse here. | Apr 14 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's eating into his base. | Apr 14 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eric Rinehart needs to swing the election 3 points vs. the last guy who went up and lost to Michael Nerheim. | Apr 14 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If COVID mops the floor with old people in Lake County, IL, it could be a much smaller gap. | Apr 14 20:58 |
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| smnthermes | > DaemonFC[m] has written: | Apr 14 21:11 |
| smnthermes | > Webkit is an absolute disaster now that Google and others have abandoned it and it's all Apple again. | Apr 14 21:11 |
| smnthermes | At least it renders gradients better than Blink, Gecko and Servo | Apr 14 21:11 |
| smnthermes | > schestowitz has written: | Apr 14 21:12 |
| smnthermes | > rust is mirosoft-controlled | Apr 14 21:12 |
| smnthermes | > mozilla doesn't see an issue with it | Apr 14 21:12 |
| smnthermes | > it even put their discussions on discord | Apr 14 21:12 |
| smnthermes | How so? | Apr 14 21:12 |
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| MinceR | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/27/bofh_2019_episode_8/ | Apr 14 22:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | BOFH: We must... have... beer! Only... cure... for... electromagnetic fields • The Register | Apr 14 22:07 | |
| XRevan86 | https://nitter.net/github/status/1250092060339773441 freaky | Apr 14 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | GitHub (@github): "Today we’re announcing free private repositories with unlimited collaborators for teams with GitHub Free, and reducing the price of our paid Team plan to $4 per user/month. All of the core GitHub features are now free for everyone. Learn more: https://github.co/2RDo6SL" | nitter | Apr 14 22:16 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The Treasury accidentally put $8.2 million dollars into an Indiana man's bank account instead of his stimulus check. | Apr 14 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they do that with me I told my mom I'd call her from Canada after I convert it to Bitcoin and sneak over the border. | Apr 14 22:41 |
| MinceR | what a stimulus! | Apr 14 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Start the fuck over with $8 million. Sure. Byeeee! | Apr 14 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So long and thanks for all of the misdemeanors and years without health insurance. | Apr 14 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like what the fuck do I owe these people? They spent all of their time and money harassing me and keeping me sick and poor. | Apr 14 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I get $8 million, I'm fucking gone buddy. | Apr 14 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There isn't going to be a "I got $8 million and I tapped the government on the shoulder and said 'Hey, you made a mistake. Please use this to murder some brown Venezuelan kids. I'm sure Trump needs it more than I do.'". | Apr 14 22:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: This thing's basically killing off more nutcases and prisoners than Fidel Castro dumped on it in the late 70s. | Apr 14 22:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't see any good reason to hope it stops. | Apr 14 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *on us | Apr 14 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty obvious how to survive it. | Apr 14 22:58 |
| MinceR | as an added bonus, if it never stops, it will kill off the human species, ending this massive wave of extinction and existential threat for life on Earth | Apr 14 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Stay out of church and jail. | Apr 14 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Two things I normally try to do anyway. | Apr 14 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: They're talking about it becoming seasonal and killing a bunch of these old people that missed the bus the last time. | Apr 14 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's also mutated at least once that we know of. | Apr 14 22:59 |
| MinceR | it may yet mutate so it doesn't focus so much on old people | Apr 14 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I heard of 200 known mutations | Apr 14 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm like "Oh please oh please oh please....." | Apr 14 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought these people would never stop fucking us over at the polls. | Apr 14 22:59 |
| cubeman_ | 40 million births vs 16.8 million deaths this year | Apr 14 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | Viruses mutate all the time. | Apr 14 22:59 |
| MinceR | our failed human society will never stop fucking us over until it dies out | Apr 14 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're the only group where Trump won the 2016 election. | Apr 14 23:00 |
| cubeman_ | covid-19 won't even put a dent in the net population growth | Apr 14 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 77% turnout. | Apr 14 23:00 |
| MinceR | we have an extremely dysfunctional society. | Apr 14 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's fucking killing them. | Apr 14 23:00 |
| XRevan86 | So I'm not sure how one can quantify it. | Apr 14 23:00 |
| MinceR | our society not only ensures that the people least fit to be given power are given power, but also that most people accept this as justified | Apr 14 23:00 |
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| cubeman_ | I'd be more worried about ocean acidification or desertification | Apr 14 23:01 |
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| cubexyz | covid-19 deaths are about 125K world-wide | Apr 14 23:03 |
| cubexyz | about 2 million cases | Apr 14 23:03 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Apr 14 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's too many people floating around this place. | Apr 14 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it kills enough evangelical and criminal scum that things get better... | Apr 14 23:41 |
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| rianne | Internal and NHS/UK-CRIS ticket review form updated | Apr 14 23:49 |
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