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*XRevan86 waits for to appear in English sources.Apr 14 00:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Как Симоньян раскрыла способ накрутки просмотров на RT - YouTubeApr 14 00:07
schestowitzwhat does it say?Apr 14 00:07
XRevan86Pretty much proof that RT inflates views.Apr 14 00:07
schestowitz[23:32] <XRevan86> I wonder how Riot fares…Apr 14 00:08
schestowitzvideo?!Apr 14 00:08
XRevan86based on detailed analysis of statsApr 14 00:08
schestowitz[20:29] <DaemonFC[m]> Schestowitz Mandy doesn't get my jokes.Apr 14 00:08
XRevan86Part 2 after a video-reply from RT, as RT in their reply showed their YouTube Analytics page, which gave some better evidenceApr 14 00:08
schestowitzNot his first language, he might even speak several dialects that aren't EnglishApr 14 00:09
XRevan86schestowitz: What video? Riot is a client for Matrix.Apr 14 00:09
schestowitzDuterte speaks English mostly, to hide how crap his Tagalog isApr 14 00:09
MinceRenglish is not my first language eitherApr 14 00:09
schestowitz[21:53] <MinceR> wow, twitler is tweeting about firing someoneApr 14 00:09
schestowitzTwitter is shitApr 14 00:09
MinceRi knowApr 14 00:09
schestowitzI read replies I get once a day only, to reduce mental burden associated with that ugly place...Apr 14 00:10
XRevan86Who is Mandy?Apr 14 00:10
XRevan86Or should I say, who mendy? I not understentApr 14 00:10
MinceR:>Apr 14 00:11
cubexyzfacebook and twitter could very well be encouraging shallow thinking and impulsivenessApr 14 00:11
Narratorevery social media is shitApr 14 00:11
Narratorperfect idea to label all peopleApr 14 00:13
schestowitz[00:09] <XRevan86> schestowitz: What video? Riot is a client for Matrix.Apr 14 00:13
XRevan86And there's evidence that the way RT does it is through embedding playlists into porn sites.Apr 14 00:13
schestowitzSo it is not suitable for video-conferencingApr 14 00:13
schestowitzNarrator: true in a wayApr 14 00:13
cubexyzlet's exempt IRC from social media then, since it's so old :)Apr 14 00:14
XRevan86schestowitz: Ah, you meant VVoIP… context of a literal video on YouTube made me fail to understand %).Apr 14 00:14
schestowitzXRevan86: XRevan86's husbandApr 14 00:14
XRevan86schestowitz: Doesn't Matrix have video?Apr 14 00:14
schestowitzmaybe it doesApr 14 00:14
schestowitzI thought it was like irc/jabber/social control mediaApr 14 00:15
XRevan86Narrator is my husband?Apr 14 00:15
schestowitzwhere you can attach videoApr 14 00:15
MinceRafaik matrix just uses one of the forms of jitsi for videoApr 14 00:15
schestowitzoops, DaemonFC[m]'sApr 14 00:15
XRevan86Ah, Mandy is DaemonFC[m]'s husband, got it.Apr 14 00:15
schestowitzyeahApr 14 00:15
schestowitzhe liked to interject his personal life into the techrights channelApr 14 00:16
XRevan86schestowitz: I read it all, I just forgot the name.Apr 14 00:16
schestowitzanyway, that Trump fires someone is not surprisingApr 14 00:16
schestowitzregime of chaos and uglinessApr 14 00:16
XRevan86And I also lost context several times, which is super-easy on IRC…Apr 14 00:16
schestowitzThe US stature in the world collapse after 2016, as soon as the election endedApr 14 00:16
schestowitzmaybe the dr. will be replaced by some Evangelical "faith healer"Apr 14 00:17
XRevan86Even just having multi-line messages improves the situation drastically, as people start quoting messages they're replying to.Apr 14 00:17
cubexyzeternal september since 1993 (according to some)Apr 14 00:17
schestowitzIRC is at least standard, it's one of the first things I used when I got an interview connection at home as a kidApr 14 00:18
XRevan86cubexyz: After the bombing of the White House.Apr 14 00:18
*XRevan86 intentionally omitted context here :3.Apr 14 00:18
schestowitzapparently out lock-down is now guaranteed to last until next month >at least<Apr 14 00:18
schestowitzI don't mind, we work from home anyway, and have done that for more than a decade, but it apparently becomes intolerable to othersApr 14 00:19
schestowitz3 kinds of people right now, maybe 4Apr 14 00:19
schestowitz1) I am temporarily out of workApr 14 00:19
schestowitz2) I think I am temporarily out of workApr 14 00:19
cubexyzXRevan86, if you read some of the older mailing lists from the 1980s there just wasn't the same nonsense you see nowApr 14 00:19
XRevan86 14 00:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 1993 Russian constitutional crisis - WikipediaApr 14 00:19
schestowitz3) I lost my job, can't search for anyApr 14 00:19
schestowitz4) on leave with pay, on leave without pay Apr 14 00:20
schestowitz(or partial pay)Apr 14 00:20
XRevan86cubexyz: Which non-sense?Apr 14 00:20
schestowitzAnd I guess there's the essential worker, remote worker etc. but they don't qualify as the in-limbo groupApr 14 00:20
cubexyzXRevan86, general rudeness. flat earth, anti-vaxx, etc etcApr 14 00:20
Narrator 14 00:21
XRevan86cubexyz: I'm not a fan of mailing lists, so I'm not really aware of what it's like.Apr 14 00:21
XRevan86* on whatApr 14 00:21
schestowitzWow, what a blatant quote, I wonder about the contextApr 14 00:21
Narratorcurrent discusion;-)Apr 14 00:22
cubexyzXRevan86, or read some of the older usenet posts, same ideaApr 14 00:22
*Narrator off, time to sleep:)Apr 14 00:22
schestowitzcontext in which he said thatApr 14 00:22
cubexyzof course there were still cranks Apr 14 00:22
cubexyznot as many thoughApr 14 00:22
schestowitzlike Kissinger with alleged quote about public or  soldiers being like dumb animals or somethingApr 14 00:22
XRevan86It's from the book Between Two AgesApr 14 00:23
Narratori think tat this is true all the timeApr 14 00:23
schestowitzNarrator: iirc, his daughter now does 'the news'Apr 14 00:23
cubexyzXRevan86, didn't know about that, thanksApr 14 00:23
MinceRGrzegorz BrzęczyszczykiewiczApr 14 00:24
Narrator:DApr 14 00:24
*XRevan86 reads 14 00:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “Shortly, the public will be unable to reason or think for themselves...” — Zbigniew Brzezinski | MetabunkApr 14 00:25
Narratorsee you tomorrow:)Apr 14 00:25
XRevan86Maybe the quote is actually fake.Apr 14 00:25
XRevan86Narrator: See yaApr 14 00:25
schestowitzit can't be fake, IT IS ON THE INTERWEBS!!!Apr 14 00:25
schestowitzBrzęczyszczykiewiczKiApr 14 00:26
cubexyzXRevan86, there was no president before Yeltsin correct?Apr 14 00:26
XRevan86cubexyz: Gorbachov gave himself presidential status, if you count presidents of the USSR.Apr 14 00:26
XRevan86And Yeltsin is the first president of RSFSR, and later of the Russian Federation.Apr 14 00:27
cubexyzI can remember when Brezhnev was the General SecretaryApr 14 00:28
XRevan86cubexyz: How things changed, ehApr 14 00:29
cubexyzdefinitelyApr 14 00:30
cubexyzbig changes since thenApr 14 00:30
XRevan86It was the guy with the wildest brows, and Putin has almost no hair at all.Apr 14 00:30
MinceRand poor Göbbels has no balls at allApr 14 00:31
XRevan86cubexyz: 14 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enjoykin — Дорогие Юные Друзья - YouTubeApr 14 00:34
cubexyztranslating comments ...."it is a pity that Brezhnev is not alive"Apr 14 00:38
XRevan86It's better not to read comments… in general.Apr 14 00:39
cubexyzXRevan86, what is Brezhnev saying?Apr 14 00:39
XRevan86The last days go by of the year that's passing away. This year was hard for the fraternal nations. As you know this year we had to live through war. But in the future there are new frontiers. But in the future there is new life. There will be many great victories. There will be a dawn of the new world.Apr 14 00:43
XRevan86cubexyz: That's from 0:00 to 0:32Apr 14 00:43
XRevan86cubexyz: As you can see, it's a Markov-chain worthy non-sense just to sound good :)Apr 14 00:44
cubexyzyes, there's a number of themApr 14 00:44
cubexyzEnjoykinApr 14 00:44
XRevan86 yea :)Apr 14 00:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enjoykin — Новый Год (feat. Михаил Горбачёв) - YouTubeApr 14 00:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enjoykin — С Новым Годом, Россия! - YouTubeApr 14 00:44
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cubexyzXRevan86, some of the russian puzzle sites linked to me, so I translate them sometimesApr 14 00:46
XRevan86cubexyz: You mean, on your web page?Apr 14 00:50
cubexyz 14 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ - ???? ?????? ? ???: Posts | VKApr 14 00:51
cubexyzrussian forum which linked to one of my web pagesApr 14 00:52
XRevan86That's social mediaApr 14 00:52
cubexyzah I seeApr 14 00:53
XRevan86 found the mentionApr 14 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-?? ??? ?? ? ?? | - ???? ?????? ? ??? | VKApr 14 00:53
XRevan86It's a comment on one of their posts.Apr 14 00:54
XRevan86oh, wait, it's a question on their "wall" from a subscriberApr 14 00:54
XRevan86cubexyz: Anyway, the person who mentioned is someone called Dianne Murnik.Apr 14 00:55
schestowitzwow, I removed the visibility of the kde main panelApr 14 00:55
schestowitzdidn't realise how much noise it really wasApr 14 00:56
schestowitzback to my openbox-like days (months ago)Apr 14 00:56
schestowitzand added the weather widget to the auto-hidden panelApr 14 00:56
schestowitzminimalism is so vastly betterApr 14 00:56
schestowitzalso... the plasma 6 widgets look very niceApr 14 00:56
XRevan86Plasma 6 already? :)Apr 14 00:57
schestowitzthe work done on the graphics side of things is amazing, much better than the kde/qt4 daysApr 14 00:57
schestowitzno, typoApr 14 00:57
schestowitzI didn't even notice the typo until you mentioned itApr 14 00:57
schestowitzqt6 would likely be proprietary, sort ofApr 14 00:57
schestowitzlimited access to itApr 14 00:57
XRevan86schestowitz: Or with a year delay.Apr 14 00:57
schestowitzkde/plasma 6 plans were made in Berlin months agoApr 14 00:57
schestowitzXRevan86: yeahApr 14 00:58
schestowitzsome kde devs want to fork qtApr 14 00:58
schestowitzit would take much effortApr 14 00:58
schestowitzmaybe qt company would reconsider the policy... to avoid this fork existing at allApr 14 00:58
schestowitzanyway, I'm finished at work in a few minutesApr 14 00:58
schestowitzthan I can post publicly againApr 14 00:59
schestowitz 14 00:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,923,280 Cases and 119,587 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - WorldometerApr 14 00:59
schestowitzI wonder if US daily deaths will reach 2900Apr 14 00:59
MinceRi think kde will just kindly lie down and die in favor of gnomeApr 14 00:59
MinceRjust like deadian didApr 14 00:59
cubexyzschestowitz, KDE1:Apr 14 00:59
cubexyz 14 00:59
MinceRthey too believe in systemdApr 14 00:59
schestowitzjust so you can say "9/11" every day (I'm shuffffffffelin')Apr 14 00:59
XRevan86By the way, did you know that the client for Microsoft OneDrive is written in Qt?Apr 14 01:00
MinceRand the systemd dogma is that Choice is Bad and Competition is BadApr 14 01:00
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schestowitzcubexyz: I tried kde3 some 2 weeks ago, maybe lessApr 14 01:00
schestowitzit looked bad, the graphicsApr 14 01:00
XRevan86It's weird to me that Windows 10 actually has Qt bundled somewhere deep in its internals.Apr 14 01:00
MinceRand it should be obvious even to the kde people that their chosen overlords at ibm want gnome to survive and kde to dieApr 14 01:00
schestowitzI didn't realise how much progress qt and kde made until I saw and use it again with a live CD of 2008Apr 14 01:00
MinceRor at least that they prefer gnomeApr 14 01:00
schestowitzXRevan86: the Microsoft toolkits such apparentlyApr 14 01:01
MinceRmaybe they're too stupid to realize that in a world where choices are heresy, preference means the others must be wiped out completelyApr 14 01:01
schestowitzmore so for cross-platformApr 14 01:01
schestowitzI spoke to someone from Microsoft this weekApr 14 01:01
MinceRyes, microsloth's gui toolkits are atrociousApr 14 01:01
MinceRthey still want you to align each widget pixel by pixelApr 14 01:01
schestowitzhe told me they're working more on making things for other platformsApr 14 01:01
cubexyzschestowitz, which distro are you using these days?Apr 14 01:01
schestowitzbecauase companies complain about Windows-only thingsApr 14 01:01
schestowitzthey're losing itApr 14 01:01
schestowitzcubexyz: debian 10Apr 14 01:02
XRevan86schestowitz: Is that code for "we'll be doing more stuff on Electron"?Apr 14 01:02
schestowitzmaybeApr 14 01:02
schestowitzhe was asked to work on mac os x stuff and refusedApr 14 01:02
schestowitzthey can't sell their stuff anymoreApr 14 01:02
schestowitzso they port their binary blobs to other platforms.... which might not help, eitherApr 14 01:02
MinceRwell, electron is certainly badly conceived and designed enough for microsuckApr 14 01:03
schestowitzthey're lied to about "clown" and "azure"Apr 14 01:03
MinceRbut maybe they'll reinvent it even more badly!Apr 14 01:03
schestowitzthey're told they're doing well, but it is financial fraudApr 14 01:03
schestowitzthis is why they attack and infitlrate us BTWApr 14 01:03
schestowitzIt's their last standApr 14 01:03
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe they're rebasing it on top of their Edge now.Apr 14 01:03
schestowitzand they might even pull this off... if there's no reaction and resistanceApr 14 01:03
MinceRyeahApr 14 01:04
cubexyz 14 01:04
schestowitzOSI and LF disgraced themselvesApr 14 01:04
cubexyzI did some crazy experimentsApr 14 01:04
schestowitzand maybe rightly soApr 14 01:04
MinceRgood, then we know we can't trust themApr 14 01:04
schestowitzFSF might make a comeback... I think they get along with RMS and I better these days.... they realise they need to coexist with the "not so shiny" LudditesApr 14 01:05
MinceRhow will the FSF excise the SJW cancer in themselves?Apr 14 01:05
MinceRwill they even want to do that?Apr 14 01:05
cubexyzschestowitz, if it's OK show us a screenshot of your KDE desktopApr 14 01:05
schestowitzMinceR: in the FSF?Apr 14 01:05
MinceRyes, in the FSFApr 14 01:05
schestowitzWell, Mako-Hill and Kuhn leftApr 14 01:05
MinceRthe people who cancelled RMSApr 14 01:05
schestowitzMako-Hill left quietlyApr 14 01:05
schestowitzKuhn did a blog post about itApr 14 01:05
MinceRthe people who prop up systemd even though it's designed to take our freedom awayApr 14 01:05
schestowitzMinceR: these people are in the minorityApr 14 01:06
schestowitzthey don't have enough leverageApr 14 01:06
MinceRthey had enough leverage to cancel RMSApr 14 01:06
schestowitznot entirelyApr 14 01:06
schestowitzit was a botched jobApr 14 01:06
MinceRand they're numerous enough so that ##fsf and ##gnu are cancerd-worshipping echo chambersApr 14 01:06
XRevan86cubexyz: did you know about this?Apr 14 01:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kubrick - 3-D Game based on Rubik's Cube - KDE.orgApr 14 01:07
schestowitzbrbApr 14 01:07
cubexyzXRevan86, yeah :)Apr 14 01:07
cubexyzlet me show you what I use nowApr 14 01:07
cubexyz 14 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TwizzleApr 14 01:08
cubexyzI made some videos to add to the old work of 1997:Apr 14 01:08
cubexyz 14 01:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Megaminx Pattern ArchiveApr 14 01:09
DaemonFC[m]> Duterte speaks English mostly, to hide how crap his Tagalog isApr 14 01:14
DaemonFC[m]To be fair...Yeah, it really helps when you're the sockpuppet of the US to have good English skills. The CIA can make sure that all of your opponents keep turning up with ricin poisoning and that all of your elections are "irregular".Apr 14 01:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Puppy Linux BionicPup 8.0 - Small and feisty []Apr 14 01:16
XRevan86English is also an official language of Philippines.Apr 14 01:16
XRevan86So that's not that surprising.Apr 14 01:16
XRevan86Fun fact: even I can notice an accent when Zelensky speaks in Ukrainian.Apr 14 01:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 40 Useful git Commands for Linux Admins and Developers []Apr 14 01:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Apr 14 01:17
DaemonFC[m]Trump's leadership has been so great that we're well into the Second Great Depression while we throw another 9/11 into the pile each day without thinking about it.Apr 14 01:19
DaemonFC[m]The Dow goes up if it's "only" 1,800 dead Americans each day now. How fucked up is that?Apr 14 01:19
DaemonFC[m]Remember when 2,200 died on 9/11 and then that was it, but the Dow didn't recover for A YEAR!?Apr 14 01:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Linux Laptops for Programming []Apr 14 01:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Firefox 76 Promises New Security Features, Improved Picture-in-Picture []Apr 14 01:22
MinceR 14 01:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Apr 14 01:23
MinceRnew security-weakening features?Apr 14 01:23
schestowitz[01:08] <cubexyz> 14 01:26
schestowitzwhose site is this?Apr 14 01:26
schestowitz[01:16] <XRevan86> English is also an official language of Philippines.Apr 14 01:27
schestowitzThe occupier's standardsApr 14 01:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: wall street is not the US publicApr 14 01:27
schestowitzlisted in wall street's main indexes are companies that represent the wealth of the fewApr 14 01:28
schestowitzso maybe they reckon they can force people back to work this summerApr 14 01:28
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Apr 14 01:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: As Far As The Eye, Terraria, Steam Game Festival and Steam on LMDE 4 []Apr 14 01:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Monitoring Tools: The Definitive Guide []Apr 14 01:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Contributing from afar: My @fsf internship from Italy with the campaigns team []Apr 14 01:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming []Apr 14 02:01
MinceR 14 02:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I found Mandy a job.Apr 14 02:14
DaemonFC[m]He starts tomorrow.Apr 14 02:14
DaemonFC[m]I figured out how to set things up so we don't pay income taxes and get a refund, and surprisingly it is all legal.Apr 14 02:15
schestowitzwell doneApr 14 02:25
schestowitzgood man..Apr 14 02:25
schestowitz 14 02:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: If I ever interview @realDonaldTrump, which I won't, I have higher standards, I will wipe the floor with his face.… 14 02:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: If I ever interview @realDonaldTrump, which I won't, I have higher standards, I will wipe the floor with his face.… 14 02:32
schestowitzLOL! Apr 14 02:32
schestowitzSwapnil, whose videos get like 40 views...Apr 14 02:32
schestowitzspeaking of himself like some big shot journo is always amusingApr 14 02:32
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos []Apr 14 03:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Late Night Linux, SMLR and Python Podcast []Apr 14 03:10
Ariadneschestowitz: how do you want to proceed on this infrastructure modernizationApr 14 03:12
schestowitzhi AriadneApr 14 03:14
schestowitzthanks for coming backApr 14 03:14
schestowitzwe can move the other two DBs from the tuxmachines vm to the container, I suppose, as it would not be too riskyApr 14 03:15
Ariadnealright, what would be a good time to do thatApr 14 03:15
schestowitzI already like it how load was reduced on the techrights VM because mysqld is not thereApr 14 03:15
schestowitzwe can do it as soon as you are availableApr 14 03:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices/Embedded With GNU/Linux: SEGGER’s J-Link, GNU/Linux on Phones and Boards []Apr 14 03:16
cubexyzschestowitz, that is the work of Tom Rokicki and Lucas GarronApr 14 03:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM Chasing Coders and Kubernetes/OpenShift []Apr 14 03:16
schestowitzcubexyz: IIRC, you developed (in C?) some cube application as wellApr 14 03:17
schestowitzback in the days I did with opengl some gamesApr 14 03:17
cubexyzyeah there's several ones Apr 14 03:18
schestowitzthat was in cApr 14 03:18
cubexyzmine were all C language except the oldest onesApr 14 03:18
schestowitzremember they don't exist until you upload them to MSGithub ;-)Apr 14 03:19
cubexyzthere's a commodore 64 one and a commodore PET, in different types of BASICApr 14 03:19
cubexyz 14 03:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coppermine Photo Gallery - Rubik's Cube ProgramsApr 14 03:20
cubexyzcube motif is one of mineApr 14 03:20
schestowitzAriadne: I've just checked sizes:Apr 14 03:21
schestowitz[root@tuxmachines mysql]# pwdApr 14 03:21
schestowitz/var/lib/mysqlApr 14 03:21
schestowitz[root@tuxmachines mysql]# du -shApr 14 03:21
schestowitz5.0G    .Apr 14 03:21
cubexyzTom uses something called typescriptApr 14 03:21
schestowitz2.9G    .Apr 14 03:22
schestowitz[root@tuxmachines gallery2]# pwdApr 14 03:22
schestowitz/var/lib/mysql/gallery2Apr 14 03:22
schestowitzThat's lots of screenshots of old distrosApr 14 03:22
cubexyzis that on the web?Apr 14 03:23
schestowitzAriadne: we've also changed the cron jobs/backup scripts to fetch dumps from the remote host/container and make nightliesApr 14 03:23
AriadnegreatApr 14 03:23
schestowitzcubexyz: which ones? Apr 14 03:23
schestowitzGallery, cubexyz?Apr 14 03:24
schestowitz 14 03:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TuxGalleryApr 14 03:24
schestowitzlots of kde3 in there tooApr 14 03:24
cubexyzah thanksApr 14 03:24
schestowitzit's mostly read-onlyApr 14 03:24
schestowitzwe no longer add new albumsApr 14 03:24
AriadnegrrApr 14 03:25
schestowitzAriadne: it's not likely that tuxmachines DBs will change over the next few hours because my rss feeds are all on zero and I can't think of anything else noteworthy to post until after Rianne wakes up and catches upApr 14 03:25
cubexyzok, I found a KDE 3.5 oneApr 14 03:25
Ariadnealpine CI being all screwy because of this damn botched libffi migrationApr 14 03:25
schestowitzwhat is "ffi"?Apr 14 03:25
Ariadneforeign function interfaceApr 14 03:26
Ariadneits used to allow python and such to call into C on demandApr 14 03:26
schestowitzI never came across this libApr 14 03:26
Ariadneit's one of those things that is in the underbelly of the GNU toolchain groupApr 14 03:26
schestowitzBTW, I have seen not a single mention of Alpine in relation to WSL for over a year (which is a good sign)Apr 14 03:27
schestowitzWSL+WSL2 seems to be a failure, as they refuse to disclose usage numbers and when they said they would they change their minds. I reckon it's a massive failure, well below their hopes and expectationsApr 14 03:28
schestowitzThis past week they bombarded the media with fluff about adding as "Tux" icon to Explorer for access to files in WSL... but one wonders if they even have a million active users worldwide (I doubt it)Apr 14 03:29
XRevan86schestowitz: I expect this to soon change.Apr 14 03:31
schestowitzbrb cup of coffee..Apr 14 03:31
schestowitzXRevan86: usage to go up? I doubt itApr 14 03:31
schestowitzgnu/linux is free and getting easier to install, run as vm etc.Apr 14 03:32
XRevan86schestowitz: Windows 10 is expecting an update this month (or the next month), where WSL2 will be officially introduced.Apr 14 03:32
schestowitzMicrosoft is trying to stop or control the floodgatesApr 14 03:32
XRevan86schestowitz: So mentions of WSL will go up.Apr 14 03:32
schestowitzXRevan86: if people choose toApr 14 03:32
schestowitzthey target unixy devsApr 14 03:33
XRevan86I meant mentions, not usages.Apr 14 03:33
schestowitzbut those devs often know how to install and dual-boot gnu/linuxApr 14 03:33
schestowitzin some workplaces they ban gnu/linuxApr 14 03:33
schestowitzthat's where they might use wsl-xApr 14 03:33
schestowitzXRevan86: well, they googlebomb "Linux" for years nowApr 14 03:33
schestowitzthe "microsoft loves linux" lie calmed downApr 14 03:33
schestowitzalmost nobody even pushes that anymoreApr 14 03:34
schestowitzone of the pushers of it was arrested, others no longer writeApr 14 03:34
schestowitzthey discredited themselvesApr 14 03:34
schestowitzI spoke to WSL project managersApr 14 03:34
schestowitzthey have away their support of the patent blackmailApr 14 03:34
schestowitzwhich I then documentedApr 14 03:34
schestowitztogether with some former Microsoft staff we challenged them on itApr 14 03:35
schestowitzand then they got a little uncomfortable and tried to discredit meApr 14 03:35
schestowitztheir team might even be disbanded at some point, like many Microsoft projectsApr 14 03:35
schestowitzthey don't seem to have gained traction 4 years down the lineApr 14 03:35
schestowitzCanonical's main WSL person leftApr 14 03:35
schestowitzand they hired a  shameless Microsoft person insteadApr 14 03:36
schestowitzwho then stalked me in TwitterApr 14 03:36
cubexyzI'd say M$ loves Linux as much as I love covid-19Apr 14 03:36
schestowitzif it gained so little traction since 2016, expect it mothballed or shelved as "legacy"... like many other WIndows thingsApr 14 03:36
schestowitzlike their "ebook" 'store' (DRM bonfire)Apr 14 03:37
XRevan86schestowitz: WSL1 was literally already shelved :)Apr 14 03:37
schestowitzcubexyz: that compares Linux to a parasiteApr 14 03:37
schestowitzit's pointless, XRevan86Apr 14 03:37
schestowitzthink about itApr 14 03:37
schestowitzyou can copy-paste from VMApr 14 03:37
XRevan86The whole technology for a kernel hybrid, made and then trashedApr 14 03:37
schestowitzshare filesApr 14 03:37
schestowitzand you can use the latest version, ISO etc.Apr 14 03:38
schestowitzso WSL is for people who think "store" is easier than virtualboxApr 14 03:38
schestowitzor dual-booting, which also isn't hard, you can virtualise vista10 under gnu/linux tooApr 14 03:38
schestowitzif you explain this to people they then realise wsl is totally mootApr 14 03:38
schestowitzit's not even innovativeApr 14 03:38
schestowitzit's like going BACK to cygwin daysApr 14 03:39
schestowitzI used that back in 2001Apr 14 03:39
XRevan86schestowitz: I just mean that the technology has already been shelved, so it already happened.Apr 14 03:39
schestowitzoh, look, wow!! wsl gets a KERNEL!! Wow, you can access FILES!!! Wow! Party like it's 2002!Apr 14 03:39
cubexyzwell history could have been differentApr 14 03:40
schestowitzI saw very few blog posts where wsl is mentioned by someone who uses itApr 14 03:40
schestowitzusually some windows-only workplace or Microsoft fansApr 14 03:40
XRevan86And WSL2 is a VM, so it's closer to VirtualBox than to Cygwin.Apr 14 03:40
schestowitzmaybe 2 blog posts in 4 yearsApr 14 03:40
schestowitzXRevan86: and VB is nothing newApr 14 03:40
cubexyzAT&T could have let Unix into the public domain Apr 14 03:40
schestowitzVB is better in a lot of waysApr 14 03:40
schestowitzyour VM, for instance, is more portableApr 14 03:41
schestowitzyou don't give up control to proprietary WIndows "store"Apr 14 03:41
schestowitzwith DRM afaik, even for WSLApr 14 03:41
schestowitzThe "2" is funnyApr 14 03:41
schestowitzthey added a kernelApr 14 03:41
schestowitzso GNU2 is "Linux"?Apr 14 03:41
XRevan86schestowitz: It even runs some stuff without hardware virtualisation, which I guess WSL is now incapable of doing.Apr 14 03:41
schestowitzIt's like 2.0Apr 14 03:41
schestowitzRebranding for more hypeApr 14 03:41
schestowitzpeople didn't express interest in WSL, so they rebranded with a 2Apr 14 03:42
schestowitzwhat next? WSL 3.11?Apr 14 03:42
schestowitzOh, BTWApr 14 03:42
XRevan86schestowitz: Well, it is fundamentally different, so a major version number makes sense.Apr 14 03:42
schestowitzKDE project shared some usage figures/download figures from Windows storeApr 14 03:43
schestowitzit was laughableApr 14 03:43
XRevan86Although the name no longer makes sense at all.Apr 14 03:43
schestowitzlike a few thousands of downloadsApr 14 03:43
XRevan86It's not a Windows Subsystem.Apr 14 03:43
schestowitzmakes you wonder if packaging for this DRM store was even worth the time/effortApr 14 03:43
schestowitzXRevan86: it's a VM controlled by MicrosoftApr 14 03:43
schestowitzand you don't need MS for that VMApr 14 03:43
schestowitzYesterday phoronix wrote about it...Apr 14 03:44 14 03:44
XRevan86It's Linux Integrated into Windows with Virtualisation for Some Reason, or LIWVSR for short.Apr 14 03:44
cubexyzbetter just to not use windows at allApr 14 03:44
schestowitzugly popups and spywareApr 14 03:44
schestowitzbut search page for WSLApr 14 03:44
cubexyzthat's what I try to tell peopleApr 14 03:44
schestowitzI cannot open it without consenting to Quantcast malwareApr 14 03:44
schestowitzthey cannot handle the latest Ubuntu, so one might as well use VB with the latest beta, which is a week oldApr 14 03:45
schestowitzso as usual, Microsoft's way is inferior and behindApr 14 03:45
cubexyzwell it's really bloatedApr 14 03:47
XRevan86Bundled Linux Over Windows, or BLOWApr 14 03:48
XRevan86nailed itApr 14 03:48
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cubexyzwinbloat2020Apr 14 03:50
cubexyzyou don't want it but here it is anywayApr 14 03:51
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schestowitzhahaApr 14 03:51
schestowitzdidn't see that comingApr 14 03:51
schestowitzgive it a few months and more republican voters will die thereApr 14 03:51
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schestowitzAriadne: let me know if/when we start, I'll be here all morningApr 14 03:56
AriadneokApr 14 03:57
AriadneWSL is pretty awful tbhApr 14 03:58
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schestowitzAriadne: technicalities aside, the objective of it is what's awfulApr 14 04:23
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Ariadneschestowitz: yes, but MS had to pay a significant price to get alpine's cooperationApr 14 04:23
schestowitzthey should say no, there are antitrust aspects tooApr 14 04:24
schestowitzMicrosoft did this with Novell as wellApr 14 04:24
schestowitzfor them to play along with ooxml in go-oo, for making SUSE subservient in the VM chain (hyper-V) etc.Apr 14 04:25
Ariadnewell, really, i think having to join OIN to secure a trademark license is not the worst deal on the planetApr 14 04:25
schestowitzfor a little money they can get the competitors to play slaveApr 14 04:25
Ariadnealthough really, the problem is software patents exist in generalApr 14 04:25
schestowitzyes, work in progressApr 14 04:25
schestowitzOIN supports thoseApr 14 04:25
schestowitzwe want to use Alice to end them altogetherApr 14 04:25
Ariadneyes, i am not happy about thatApr 14 04:26
schestowitzI have an article for techrights to do about it today, maybe an hour from nowApr 14 04:26
Ariadnebut i will take the elimination of several revenue streamsApr 14 04:26
schestowitzso be itApr 14 04:26
schestowitzit needs to happenApr 14 04:26
schestowitzIBM will need to earn money another wayApr 14 04:26
schestowitztheir patents on HDD and such... OKApr 14 04:27
Ariadneeven debian just cavedApr 14 04:27
schestowitzbut not on things like "click this box... on a web site"Apr 14 04:27
Ariadnealpine was the only one that stood up and forced them to give us some concessionsApr 14 04:27
Ariadnethat is real power, but distributions do not wish to wield itApr 14 04:27
schestowitzdebian doesn't seem to be playing Microsoft's way, maybe more Google's wayApr 14 04:27
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Ariadneyes, but debian granted microsoft the trademark license they requested for WSLApr 14 04:28
schestowitzwsl lost all momentum, hence 2.0 hypeApr 14 04:28
Ariadnealpine only did so after the OIN dealApr 14 04:28
Ariadnei negotiated that deal :)Apr 14 04:28
schestowitzwhich they weaponise the media for... Bisson, Popa etc.Apr 14 04:28
schestowitzWSL '2' is still behind the competitionApr 14 04:28
schestowitzthey rely on branding or brand awarenessApr 14 04:28
Ariadnei haven't tried WSL 2Apr 14 04:29
schestowitzthe use case is not clearApr 14 04:29
Ariadnethe only time i ever touch windows is to recover my POWER9 machine, since the IPMI tools do not work correctly on alpineApr 14 04:29
schestowitzpeople can download an iso and spin it as a vmApr 14 04:29
Ariadnethe idea is that you can mix windows tools and linux toolsApr 14 04:29
Ariadnebut the integration is really not that greatApr 14 04:30
schestowitzyou can do that by other means tooApr 14 04:30
schestowitzthey will mothball that team one dayApr 14 04:30
AriadneWSL isn't about linux so much, as it is about Mac OSApr 14 04:30
schestowitzunless they get a significant chunk of - well... - actual usersApr 14 04:30
Ariadnethey want to provide a UNIX userspace like the Mac doesApr 14 04:30
schestowitzwsl1 did not do thatApr 14 04:30
Ariadnebut it's halfassedApr 14 04:30
schestowitzMac isn't NTApr 14 04:30
Ariadnelike cygwinApr 14 04:31
schestowitzApple won't sell well after a financial crisis, eitherApr 14 04:31
Ariadnemost people i know who gave WSL a shot went back to using their macsApr 14 04:31
Ariadnebecause the integration was awfulApr 14 04:31
Ariadnebut Mac OS isn't what it used to beApr 14 04:31
Ariadneit has gotten pretty bad tooApr 14 04:31
schestowitzthat's why we asked MS for "active" usersApr 14 04:31
schestowitza figure they very well know because it's tied to their telemetry back endApr 14 04:32
schestowitzthey refuse to even sayApr 14 04:32
schestowitzthen they said they'll disclose on XApr 14 04:32
schestowitzand X passedApr 14 04:32
Ariadnewell, the other aspect of that agreement is that i do have numbersApr 14 04:32
schestowitzand then they refuse to even talk about it :-)Apr 14 04:32
Ariadneand they are not very goodApr 14 04:32
schestowitzof course notApr 14 04:32
schestowitzotherwise they'd boastApr 14 04:32
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Ariadnelike maybe 50k people using alpine on WSL2, with roughly 30% of WSL2 market shareApr 14 04:33
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Ariadnei'm sure you can deduce the total numbers from thatApr 14 04:33
Ariadne:)Apr 14 04:33
schestowitzon who's promoting WSL and WSL '2' (Batman Returns) 14 04:33
Ariadneit is a 6 figure numberApr 14 04:33
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Ariadnequite boringApr 14 04:33
schestowitzyeah, what I thought was under a millionApr 14 04:34
schestowitzalthough 150k and 950k are differentApr 14 04:34
AriadneWSL could be good for GNU/Linux in some waysApr 14 04:34
schestowitzand if the former, they'll mothball the teamApr 14 04:34
AriadnebutApr 14 04:34
schestowitzit costs them millions a yearApr 14 04:34
schestowitznot including the marketing budget, spamming the mediaApr 14 04:34
Ariadneit's complicatedApr 14 04:34
schestowitzWSL IMHO helps sell the illusion VIsta10 is "Linux"Apr 14 04:35
AriadneWSL could be good for GNU/Linux in the same way that Docker is good for GNU/LinuxApr 14 04:35
schestowitzand it helps dilute the brandApr 14 04:35
Ariadneyes, but that's not MS objectiveApr 14 04:35
AriadneMS is trying to go after MacApr 14 04:35
schestowitzIt also googlebombs the news, putting Vista10 'mindshare' in Linux feedsApr 14 04:35
AriadneMS does not give a shit about desktop LinuxApr 14 04:35
Ariadnelet us be real here, in the big picture, desktop Linux is a jokeApr 14 04:35
AriadneGNU or otherwiseApr 14 04:35
schestowitzCHromebooks?Apr 14 04:35
schestowitzthat's gentoo basedApr 14 04:35
Ariadnei don't count ChromeOS as desktop linuxApr 14 04:36
schestowitzit's ruining their monopoly on schoolsApr 14 04:36
AriadneChromeOS is a locked down DRM ridden pile of shitApr 14 04:36
Ariadnethat tramples on freedomApr 14 04:36
Ariadnefar more than Windows has ever doneApr 14 04:36
schestowitzthe desktop is less important for sureApr 14 04:36
schestowitzesp. from a revenue POVApr 14 04:36
Ariadneschools like ChromeOS because they can lock it down even more than windowsApr 14 04:36
schestowitzwhich is all they countApr 14 04:36
schestowitzthey try to use it as ramp for subscriptions and data hoardApr 14 04:36
AriadneanywayApr 14 04:37
schestowitzthanks for the tip on WSL figuresApr 14 04:37
schestowitzhelps reaffirm what I heardApr 14 04:37
schestowitzthat it's really so awful they don't want to talk about itApr 14 04:37
Ariadnefedora and debian collude with microsoft, alpine extracted the OIN deal as a concessionApr 14 04:37
Ariadnei think this tells us about who is really trying to fight for software freedomApr 14 04:38
schestowitzfedora is weirdApr 14 04:38
schestowitzI didn't know about debianApr 14 04:38
schestowitzfedora used to have ambassadorsApr 14 04:38
schestowitzAriadne: yesterday introduce a tool and gave only OS X instructionsApr 14 04:39
schestowitzeven though a gnu/linux version existedApr 14 04:40
schestowitzso I joked with rianne about what you had said about "fedora infrastructure" on a "Mac"-branded PCApr 14 04:40
schestowitzIBM was long in bed with Apple when Ginny ran the placeApr 14 04:40
schestowitzAriadne: Apr 14 05:01
schestowitz> So, as figured, WSL has failed to gain any significant level ofApr 14 05:01
schestowitz> adoption.  It makes sense.  If you have to run Vista10, it goes into aApr 14 05:01
schestowitz> VM not the other way around.  That way you can keep Vista10 on a shortApr 14 05:01
schestowitz> leash as well as use snapshots to roll back /when/ it curdles.  At theApr 14 05:01
schestowitz> same time you have all the other advantages conferred by runningApr 14 05:01
schestowitz> GNU/Linux natively.  WSL, like other products before it, seems toApr 14 05:01
schestowitz> fulfill two purposes and two alone: be a time sink and keep developersApr 14 05:01
schestowitz> on the reservation.Apr 14 05:02
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oiaohmWSL1 is repeated failure for not being able to run the latest distributions.Apr 14 05:02
oiaohmWSL2 is starting to run into the same problems.Apr 14 05:02
schestowitzyes, phoronix wrote about it 2 days agoApr 14 05:03
oiaohm  being stuck on a 4.19 kernel  ubuntu 20.10 is really after a 5.4 kernel version.Apr 14 05:04
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schestowitzas I said:Apr 14 05:04
schestowitz1) I don't know anyone who uses WSLApr 14 05:04
schestowitz2) Among blog posts from 2016-2020 I saw only 2 or so of people who actively use itApr 14 05:04
Ariadneas mentioned, the only people i know who tried it went back to using macsApr 14 05:04
schestowitzmost coverage of it is Microsoft-connected fluff (marketing)Apr 14 05:04
Ariadnethis isn't about gnu/linux as much as it is about providing a competitor to the mac terminalApr 14 05:04
oiaohmI see WSL as a tread mil of failure that will keep on forcing Microsoft in a particular reason.Apr 14 05:05
Ariadnetrust me, nobody cares about desktop linuxApr 14 05:05
schestowitzwe doApr 14 05:05
oiaohmLot of people on mac are using linux vmsApr 14 05:05
Ariadneyes, we do, but your average person does notApr 14 05:05
oiaohmWhen you are deploy on Linux servers not test that stuff comes problem.Apr 14 05:05
schestowitzwe won't be using 'phones' to do our codingApr 14 05:05
schestowitzor to connect to serversApr 14 05:05
Ariadneyour average "developer" is a latte-sipping mac user who is chilling at starbucksApr 14 05:05
Ariadneand that is what WSL targetsApr 14 05:06
oiaohmWSL was design with the idea trying to make the work flow for servers back linked all to Microsoft.Apr 14 05:06
schestowitzthey're hipster devsApr 14 05:06
oiaohmIts not really working out.Apr 14 05:06
schestowitzJS and stuffApr 14 05:06
schestowitznot heavy duty stuff, more like site and "YOU-AX" (UX)Apr 14 05:06
schestowitznot people who do things like Google Cloud infrastructureApr 14 05:06
oiaohmWSL offically contains no Linux desktop bits.Apr 14 05:06
schestowitzor setting up GIS systemsApr 14 05:06
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oiaohmfun part is for gpu acceleration of stuff on servers that is problemmatic.Apr 14 05:07
Ariadneanyway, arguing with people who live in a GNU bubble about the realities of capitalist software companies is not a great use of my timeApr 14 05:08
oiaohmAriadne: really you can say Linux desktop is a joke problem is some server workloads you do need fragments out of the desktop side so they work well.Apr 14 05:08
Ariadneoiaohm: coolApr 14 05:08
Ariadnethat's great, but devs don't give a shitApr 14 05:08
AriadneWSL is a product that is meant to be used as glueApr 14 05:08
Ariadneas is done on  the macApr 14 05:08
oiaohmdev do when there stuff does not run well.Apr 14 05:08
Ariadnei have spoken to plenty of MS people about WSLApr 14 05:09
Ariadnewhen i say "devs" i mean the devs MS is targeting with WSL, typescript, vs code, etcApr 14 05:09
oiaohmAriadne: so am I.  Like there are particular things like gpu acceleration in postgresql databases and other things.Apr 14 05:10
Ariadnethose people want to use bash scripts to tie together adobe photoshop and npmApr 14 05:10
oiaohmYes they need X11 server due to Nvidia stupid interfacesApr 14 05:10
Ariadnewhich they can do on mac, and mac works well for thisApr 14 05:10
Ariadnewsl however is completely broken for thisApr 14 05:10
oiaohmNoApr 14 05:10
Ariadneso nobody uses itApr 14 05:10
AriadneyesApr 14 05:10
oiaohmThere are a few acceleration things you need Linux kernel or they don't work.Apr 14 05:11
Ariadneyes, i knowApr 14 05:11
Ariadnebut guess whatApr 14 05:11
Ariadnethese people who use WSL aren't doing any of that shitApr 14 05:11
Ariadneor rather, the intended audience of WSL, since nobody actually uses WSLApr 14 05:12
oiaohmNo those people are not using WSL but they have open bugs asking for the features against WSL.Apr 14 05:12
Ariadneyes, and those features are out of scope of the productApr 14 05:12
Ariadneis what i am telling youApr 14 05:12
AriadneMS does not careApr 14 05:12
AriadneWSL has one purpose and one purpose only, to compete with OS X terminal experienceApr 14 05:12
Ariadneusing linux userspace to accomplish thisApr 14 05:13
oiaohmTo be correct that is no.Apr 14 05:13
Ariadneit is incidentally a massive failureApr 14 05:13
Ariadnebecause it does not even accomplish the intended purposeApr 14 05:13
Ariadnethe target audience tries WSL and returns to using their macs insteadApr 14 05:13
Ariadnebecause the key thing that makes all of this work on the mac isApr 14 05:14
oiaohmThe WSL stuff starts wanting to run Android under windows mobile.   The from the Azure team to attempt to move Linux server workloads back to Windows server.   Then finally to Windows Desktop..Apr 14 05:14
oiaohmSo Mac really does not have anything todo with that path.Apr 14 05:14
oiaohmIts a long long list of failure after failure.Apr 14 05:14
Ariadnethat's funny considering every MS person i have talked to has said that it does on windows desktopApr 14 05:14
oiaohmThey don't talk about the history.Apr 14 05:15
Ariadnei'm aware of the historyApr 14 05:15
oiaohmThey are told not to talk about the history.Apr 14 05:15
Ariadnebut it is in windows desktop to try to compete with macsApr 14 05:15
Ariadnethat is the realityApr 14 05:15
Ariadneanyway, this conversation is not a good use of my timeApr 14 05:16
oiaohmIt was the Azure guys who first put the prototype in desktop.Apr 14 05:16
oiaohmIt server driven first.Apr 14 05:16
oiaohmMac is the latter cover story.Apr 14 05:16
Ariadneeither wayApr 14 05:16
Ariadneit does not fucking matterApr 14 05:16
Ariadnebecause they have failed with that tooApr 14 05:17
Ariadneand i was going to explain that fail but you are sperging about server and azure and blah blah blahApr 14 05:17
Ariadneso never fucking mindApr 14 05:17
oiaohmNow if they could get WSL to work on the desktop with funding there they then could attempt the windows server bit again.Apr 14 05:17
oiaohmSo far it not working out well at all.Apr 14 05:17
Ariadnethe problem is that desktop use of terminal for your average personApr 14 05:17
Ariadneis automationApr 14 05:17
Ariadneand OS X has applescriptApr 14 05:17
Ariadneand you can fire off applescript events from terminal appsApr 14 05:18
AriadneWSL does not have anything like thisApr 14 05:18
Ariadneso its basically fucking useless for typical usersApr 14 05:18
oiaohmYou have more native Linux automationApr 14 05:18
AriadneyesApr 14 05:18
Ariadnebut the people microsoft want to entice with windows 10 (mac users)Apr 14 05:19
Ariadnewant to drive adobe photoshop etcApr 14 05:19
Ariadnenot linux desktop appsApr 14 05:19
Ariadnethey do not care about linux desktop appsApr 14 05:19
Ariadnethey care about the proprietary apps they already paid a lot of money forApr 14 05:19
oiaohmIts been the problem that the command line automations of Linux was failing big tme under WSL1 and WSL2 is now failing with some of that as welll ie docker failures.Apr 14 05:20
oiaohmSo its not just graphical automation that missing/screwed.Apr 14 05:20
AriadnesureApr 14 05:20
Ariadnei'm just saying for typical desktop users looking for terminal experienceApr 14 05:20
Ariadneautomating the apps they already have is the big thingApr 14 05:20
Ariadneand WSL is useless for thisApr 14 05:21
oiaohmautomation of automated testsuite when you modify a program for Linux is important that it works as well.Apr 14 05:21
oiaohmThat has been failing as well.Apr 14 05:21
Ariadnemicrosoft sell this as symbiosis between linux and windows environment, best of both worldsApr 14 05:21
Ariadnebut in realityApr 14 05:21
oiaohmYep a broken mess.Apr 14 05:21
Ariadneyou can't make use of windows environment effectively in WSLApr 14 05:21
Ariadneverses macApr 14 05:22
oiaohmEven if you could not use the windows environment in WSL its no the biggest deal breaker.Apr 14 05:22
Ariadnewhere you can drive basically any mac app you want from terminalApr 14 05:22
Ariadnesince applescript is baked into the coreApr 14 05:22
oiaohmThe fact you modify something like gcc rebuild it and run it test suit and its bogus results is the deal breaker of the largest scale.Apr 14 05:23
Ariadnethe average person wants to do something likeApr 14 05:23
Ariadnerender these scenes in adobe premiere and pop up a directory window once it's doneApr 14 05:23
oiaohmI am not talking average I am talking developer Apr 14 05:23
oiaohmserver stuff developer.Apr 14 05:23
oiaohmThey want the test suites of what they modify to be truefulApr 14 05:24
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oiaohmWSL1 and WSL2 is not giving that.Apr 14 05:24
Ariadnewell, running a test suite under emulation is a waste of time anywayApr 14 05:24
Ariadnewhich is why x86 has wonApr 14 05:24
Ariadnepeople want server to match what they have locallyApr 14 05:25
oiaohmtest suite under emulation is not always a waste of time.Apr 14 05:25
Ariadneit depends on the quality of emulationApr 14 05:25
Ariadneqemu-user, wsl1, wsl2 are all insufficientApr 14 05:25
oiaohmusing qemu emulating arm building gcc on a real Linux  system give real results.Apr 14 05:25
oiaohmsorry to say I have used a lot of qemu-user.Apr 14 05:25
Ariadneqemu-user for mips is quite buggyApr 14 05:26
Ariadneprograms will hang randomlyApr 14 05:26
oiaohmqemu-user results are right 99 percent for armApr 14 05:26
Ariadnebut run fine on real hardwareApr 14 05:26
oiaohmqemu mips emulation I will give you is problem child.Apr 14 05:26
oiaohmPlease note qemu mips is problem child  in full vm as well as user mode so its not one or the other.Apr 14 05:28
Ariadneqemu-mips got us a lot of the way with alpine porting thoApr 14 05:28
Ariadneso it is not the worst :)Apr 14 05:28
oiaohmEven that qemu-mips is a problem child is still not as bad as WSl1Apr 14 05:28
Ariadneoh yes, WSL1 is quite badApr 14 05:29
Ariadnei refuse to accept bug reports from WSL1 users in some of my softwareApr 14 05:29
schestowitzseems like diversion of effortsApr 14 05:30
schestowitzto fix bugs for Microsoft, for free...Apr 14 05:30
schestowitzfor them to better control gnu and linuxApr 14 05:30
oiaohmIts double sided.Apr 14 05:31
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oiaohmNow that Microsoft is shipping the Linux kernel with Windows 10 they are getting more restricted what they can do on the patent side as well.Apr 14 05:31
Ariadneif microsoft wanted to control gnu/linux they could just make a windows 11 with their desktop ported to run on a linux userspaceApr 14 05:31
Ariadnewhich incidentally, from what i hear, is basically what they are doingApr 14 05:32
oiaohmSo planning to get rid of the Nt kernel?Apr 14 05:32
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Ariadnethere is huge technical debt in NT and Win32Apr 14 05:32
Ariadnethey would like to be rid of itApr 14 05:32
Ariadnehince UWPApr 14 05:32
Ariadnehince writing an NT portability layer for linux (drawbridge)Apr 14 05:33
Ariadnebesides, enterprise services is the primary revenue stream for MS anymoreApr 14 05:33
Ariadneactive directory, exchange, dynamics, etcApr 14 05:34
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Ariadnebut they are expected to provide a OS to drive those businessesApr 14 05:35
Ariadneit makes more business sense to use "open source" (god i hate that phrase) to reduce the costs of their OS programApr 14 05:36
schestowitzwellApr 14 05:36
oiaohmAriadne: that kind of wrong.   drawbridge was in fact design to be on top of Windows not LInux.Apr 14 05:36
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schestowitzthey want commodity thenApr 14 05:36
schestowitznot "open source"Apr 14 05:36
oiaohmMicrosoft basically reached around and grabed what parts they could to port sql server and other things.Apr 14 05:36
schestowitzand the "added value" won't free free softwareApr 14 05:37
schestowitzso we need to aim for something elseApr 14 05:37
Ariadneschestowitz: microsoft see themselves as the new IBM basicallyApr 14 05:37
Ariadnealthough really, they are more like the new OracleApr 14 05:37
Ariadneall of these companies are quite ghastlyApr 14 05:37
oiaohmAriadne: funny right drawbridge was designed for windows yet out of need to due dropping server market to sell sql server to they end up porting it to Linux.Apr 14 05:37
schestowitzIBM came from hardwareApr 14 05:38
schestowitzunless you mean the patentsApr 14 05:38
Ariadneoiaohm: i'm aware of drawbridge's initial purposeApr 14 05:38
schestowitzthey also got the same person, PhelpsApr 14 05:38
schestowitztbh we can mostly ignore microsoft in this spaceApr 14 05:38
oiaohmLot of ways Microsoft is basically doing Linux support not because they want to but because they have to so they don't keep on losing market share.Apr 14 05:38
schestowitzand speak of free software in a broader senseApr 14 05:39
Ariadneoiaohm: correctApr 14 05:39
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schestowitzissues like control, autotomy, decentralisation, privacy...Apr 14 05:39
Ariadneschestowitz: also correct, at this point, microsoft is not really the largest threat, they are being increasingly defanged because of their love affair with linuxApr 14 05:39
schestowitzoiaohm: our goal is to make them lose market shareApr 14 05:39
schestowitzoiaohm: so don't help themApr 14 05:39
Ariadnei don't really care about microsoft's market share in enterprise segmentApr 14 05:40
schestowitzthey're still the most viciously anti-linux, and have a reason to (windows)Apr 14 05:40
Ariadnei would rather work with microsoft than oracleApr 14 05:40
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Ariadne(realistically, i'd rather work with neither)Apr 14 05:40
schestowitzoracle is not trying to destory linuxApr 14 05:40
schestowitzit's like default platform for oracleApr 14 05:40
schestowitzeven gnuApr 14 05:40
oiaohmOracle is not 100 percent friendly either.Apr 14 05:40
Ariadneno, oracle has more dubious intentionsApr 14 05:40
Ariadneoracle wants to use software patents to extract revenue from mysql usersApr 14 05:41
Ariadnethey just haven't executed on this yetApr 14 05:41
oiaohmOpenOffice mess leading to Libreoffice or the mysql mess....Apr 14 05:41
schestowitzoracle does not mind us using debianApr 14 05:41
schestowitzmicrosoft mindsApr 14 05:41
Ariadnei don't think microsoft caresApr 14 05:41
oiaohmThere are a long list of messes orcale management has caused in the open source world.Apr 14 05:41
Ariadnelike i said, at this point, enterprise is their revenue streamApr 14 05:41
oiaohmLot of ways Oracle is more distruptive to open source operations than Microsoft.Apr 14 05:42
schestowitzAriadne: that's what Microsoft didApr 14 05:42
schestowitzasking for patent money from mysql Apr 14 05:42
schestowitznot OracleApr 14 05:42
Ariadneat one point, microsoft may have cared about gnu/linuxApr 14 05:42
schestowitzafaikApr 14 05:42
Ariadneschestowitz: yes, and oracle wishes to do the same tooApr 14 05:42
schestowitzcorrect me if I missed something about patent demands from oracle... not DalvikApr 14 05:42
oiaohmAriadne: I would not say Microsoft cared about gnu/Linux ever.Apr 14 05:42
schestowitzOK, so we can agree on getting rid of bothApr 14 05:43
Ariadneoiaohm: on server, they did for a whileApr 14 05:43
schestowitznot helping either scoracle or sco/msftApr 14 05:43
Ariadneoiaohm: but then they started shifting towards enterpriseApr 14 05:43
oiaohmI would say Microsoft found themselves in a location with azure and other places where they need to be friendly or else.Apr 14 05:43
schestowitzazure is a failure and a fraudApr 14 05:43
schestowitzthey decommission DCs nowApr 14 05:43
oiaohmAriadne: remember samba project sued Microsoft and Microsoft got a court order to play nice or else.Apr 14 05:43
schestowitzquietlyApr 14 05:43
AriadneanywayApr 14 05:43
oiaohmI don't see Microsoft acting nice to Linux as something they willing did.Apr 14 05:44
schestowitzinsiders would tell you, they also lose loads of money trying to take share from aws and after years of trying, they can only fake 'success' with corrupt mediaApr 14 05:44
Ariadneoiaohm: in ballmer era, i agree, but at this point, as i said, they have shifted focus a lotApr 14 05:44
oiaohmMore something where their arm was twisted by many parties and they basically started crying uncle in the form of we love linux.Apr 14 05:44
schestowitzAriadne: they still do patent blackmailApr 14 05:44
Ariadneschestowitz: so do IBM and OracleApr 14 05:45
schestowitzthe difference is that they tell us they love usApr 14 05:45
Ariadneschestowitz: so do IBM and OracleApr 14 05:45
schestowitzAriadne: different targetsApr 14 05:45
schestowitzibm seems to target web companiesApr 14 05:45
Ariadneanyway, this is mostly defanged nowApr 14 05:45
Ariadnebecause if microsoft threatens youApr 14 05:45
Ariadneall you have to do is join OINApr 14 05:45
Ariadneor IBM or OracleApr 14 05:45
AriadnehahaApr 14 05:45
schestowitzand I'm told to wait and see if tjhe new ceo and pres of IBM (the latter being Jim) do the same or end itApr 14 05:45
Ariadnethe end game is to destroy software patentsApr 14 05:46
oiaohmIBM history its insane rare they use patents offensively.   Most common problem with IBM and patents is you attacked them and of course they hit back./Apr 14 05:46
schestowitzonly days ago they started these jobs/positionsApr 14 05:46
schestowitzAriadne: agredApr 14 05:46
schestowitz*eedApr 14 05:46
Ariadnei am just saying, at this pointApr 14 05:46
Ariadnei think microsoft is quite irrelevantApr 14 05:46
oiaohmOracle and Microsoft history you find them selling patents to trolls so their patents are used agreesively without there name being linked to it.Apr 14 05:47
schestowitzit is in some sensesApr 14 05:47
Ariadnewe have quite effectively neutered themApr 14 05:47
schestowitzbut we still want more people to use LINUX or LUNIX on their stuffApr 14 05:47
Ariadnedo we?Apr 14 05:47
schestowitznot just android  malware and "CHROME"Apr 14 05:47
oiaohmIBM has a funny one back in history the first troll IBM sold a patent to sold it to another patent troll who then attacked IBM with it.Apr 14 05:47
Ariadnei would like people to use the highest quality free software they can findApr 14 05:47
schestowitzyes, we do, it would pave the way to more free sw like libreofficeApr 14 05:47
oiaohmAt that point IBM put a policy in don't sell patents.Apr 14 05:47
Ariadneunfortunately, that is not really GNU/Linux in a lot of waysApr 14 05:47
oiaohmIBM patents over all there are lot of them but IBM not generally aggressive.Apr 14 05:48
Ariadnefor example, Alpine is not a GNU/Linux system.Apr 14 05:48
schestowitzoiaohm: maybe it will be over timeApr 14 05:49
Ariadnebecause modern GNU/Linux is complicated and built on dubious engineering like systemdApr 14 05:49
schestowitzalthough the new leadership suggests otherwiseApr 14 05:49
schestowitzRometty made them a bigger bullyApr 14 05:49
AriadneAlpine uses GNU components where they are the best availableApr 14 05:49
oiaohmsysvinit before systemd was also dubious engineering.Apr 14 05:49
AriadneindeedApr 14 05:49
schestowitzPalmisano I liked... he also supported ODF and stuffApr 14 05:49
Ariadneand i think diversity in free software choices is a good thingApr 14 05:50
oiaohmI would say yes and on on diversityApr 14 05:50
oiaohmWe do have cases where projects are too far under resourced so they would be better off to reduce choices and merge in some areas so they have more suitable man power.Apr 14 05:51
Ariadnetbh i see rust as a serious threat to software freedomApr 14 05:51
oiaohmSome cases diversity is good some cases it bad but its case by case.Apr 14 05:51
Ariadnebecause rust has harmed the portability of free softwareApr 14 05:52
oiaohmSame could be said about historic C its not that portable really.Apr 14 05:52
Ariadneas well as the viability of binary distributionApr 14 05:52
Ariadne(rust does not have a stable ABI)Apr 14 05:53
Ariadne(or a formal specification)Apr 14 05:53
oiaohmNeither does CApr 14 05:53
oiaohmon the stable ABI bit.Apr 14 05:53
oiaohmDoes have a formal specification so that is a help.Apr 14 05:53
oiaohmBut early C did not have a formal specification either.Apr 14 05:53
AriadneC has platform-level stable ABIs (POSIX), and a formal specification.Apr 14 05:53
oiaohmThat came latter in C history.Apr 14 05:54
Ariadne(well, POSIX and the ELF ABIs)Apr 14 05:54
oiaohmRust is still quite young.Apr 14 05:54
Ariadneyes, i knowApr 14 05:54
oiaohmIf rust grows up like C did it will not be a problem.Apr 14 05:54
Ariadneyes, rust is quite young, which means it is irresponsible to rewrite things like librsvg in itApr 14 05:54
Ariadnenow, we have to ship an ancient librsvg for architectures rust does not supportApr 14 05:54
schestowitzrust is mirosoft-controlledApr 14 05:55
schestowitzmozilla doesn't see an issue with itApr 14 05:55
schestowitzit even put their discussions on discordApr 14 05:55
DaemonFC[m]Webkit is an absolute disaster now that Google and others have abandoned it and it's all Apple again.Apr 14 05:55
schestowitz(I think they've walked back on the latter though)Apr 14 05:55
Ariadnemozilla is now using matrix, which isn't much betterApr 14 05:55
Ariadnebut why matrix is a problem is a discussion for another dayApr 14 05:55
schestowitzbetter than discord at leastApr 14 05:55
schestowitzlicense-wiseApr 14 05:56
Ariadnewell, yes, one is proprietary service and the other you can self-hostApr 14 05:57
Ariadnebut the engineering is badApr 14 05:57
Ariadneand poorly engineered free software harms good will towards the use of other free softwareApr 14 05:58
Ariadneso we need free software that has good engineering instead of matrix on the front against discordApr 14 05:59
Ariadnewhich was something i was overseeing at pleroma, but i ultimately decided to leave pleroma to pursue other opportunities because i got tired of hearing about hate groups using this technologyApr 14 06:00
AriadneanywayApr 14 06:01
schestowitzthis is how they destroy the alternatives Apr 14 06:09
schestowitzthey associate them with badApr 14 06:09
schestowitzsometimes they might even intentionally fill them up with itApr 14 06:09
schestowitzand then the platforms lose momentumApr 14 06:09
schestowitzhappened to MINDS, too...Apr 14 06:09
schestowitzTwitter is still full of crapApr 14 06:10
schestowitzI don't even like reading any of itApr 14 06:10
schestowitzmaybe RMS was right and social control media as a concept is doomed to failApr 14 06:10
Ariadnewell, i got a phenomenal opportunity to be paid to oversee and help manage growing alpineApr 14 06:10
schestowitza shame so much was outsourced to it, inc. comms of politicians and gov. depts. all around the worldApr 14 06:10
Ariadnemorale was frankly shit at pleromaApr 14 06:11
schestowitzyeah, I can imagine...Apr 14 06:11
schestowitzAlpine is more importantyApr 14 06:11
schestowitzI like how stable it has beenApr 14 06:11
Ariadnewhen you have ignorant people calling you nazi all day because some people use the software that you don't even likeApr 14 06:11
schestowitzwhen you're ready we can port over the tuxmachines dbsApr 14 06:11
Ariadneit really kills moraleApr 14 06:11
schestowitzunless you want to move the DBs another dayApr 14 06:11
*schestowitz wonders if gab is still 'going' because it's never talked about anymore and they don't mass-mail their crapApr 14 06:13
Ariadnegab is now running on the mastodon platformApr 14 06:14
Ariadnei'm just thinking about how to execute on moving the DBsApr 14 06:14
schestowitzif they are replicated across, then stopped, then started from remote, then I support it can work OKApr 14 06:18
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schestowitz...78.20:/var/lib/mysqlApr 14 06:18
Ariadnei think the way we should do itApr 14 06:20
Ariadneis to mysqldumpApr 14 06:20
Ariadneand then importApr 14 06:20
Ariadneand cut overApr 14 06:20
Ariadnehow does that soundApr 14 06:20
Ariadnemysql replication is... a royal pain to set upApr 14 06:21
schestowitzsounds goodApr 14 06:21
Ariadneok give me a momentApr 14 06:21
Ariadneand then we can do a dumpApr 14 06:21
schestowitzok, cheers!Apr 14 06:22
Ariadnewow, biden has actually been pulled pretty far to the leftApr 14 06:25
schestowitzin what sense, I must have missed it?Apr 14 06:25
schestowitzfar and left and biden in the same sentence sounds like anagram of a good jokeApr 14 06:26
schestowitzhe did PATRIOT ACTApr 14 06:26
Ariadnethis just happened yesterdayApr 14 06:27
Ariadnehe had to give up a lot to get bernie to endorse him, they are merging campaigns etcApr 14 06:27
schestowitzwell, that happened in 2016 tooApr 14 06:28
schestowitzand it did not go too wellApr 14 06:28
schestowitzlots of mergers with BidenApr 14 06:28
schestowitzand the same PAC moneyApr 14 06:28
schestowitzthat does not inspire muchApr 14 06:28
schestowitzmaybe OK for those not BernersApr 14 06:28
schestowitzI saw the reports you may be alluding toApr 14 06:29
schestowitzbut...Apr 14 06:29
schestowitzit's another 2016 momentApr 14 06:29
schestowitzand with GOP cheating from the driver's seat it looks like an uphill battle against the more corrupt regime in historyApr 14 06:29
schestowitz(US history anyway)Apr 14 06:29
schestowitzthis isn't unlike what we saw in 2016Apr 14 06:30
schestowitzexcept this time obama isn't in powerApr 14 06:30
schestowitzand the election might be postponedApr 14 06:30
schestowitzor covinated for voter suppresionApr 14 06:30
schestowitzthe left wants Trump out as much as everyone saneApr 14 06:31
schestowitzbut Biden might be the wrong way to go about achieving thatApr 14 06:31
schestowitzhe's too similar to what he's looking to replace, both conceptually and practicallyApr 14 06:31
schestowitzanother oligarchs-backed person who represents the status quoApr 14 06:31
schestowitzDNC doesn't mind TrumpApr 14 06:32
schestowitzover BernieApr 14 06:32
schestowitzand that's the issueApr 14 06:32
schestowitzthe party's sponsors are cool with GOP that's giving them tax breaks and allApr 14 06:32
*schestowitz away, but back in a bit... breakfastApr 14 06:44
AriadneokApr 14 06:45
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Ariadneschestowitz: when you have a moment, can you mysqldumpApr 14 07:13
Ariadneschestowitz: and put it on a URL i can wgetApr 14 07:13
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I have a bone to pick in this election.Apr 14 07:33
DaemonFC[m]First off, I get to vote to raise taxes on my in laws.Apr 14 07:33
DaemonFC[m]So that's cool.Apr 14 07:33
DaemonFC[m]Secondly, I get to vote against the prosecutor that went after me last year.Apr 14 07:33
DaemonFC[m]It's my lawyer's partner that's running against the guy.Apr 14 07:35
DaemonFC[m]Ethics rules prohibited my lawyer from endorsing him, but he called everyone in the rolodex (or whatever) to mention that he was running and he "just didn't want there to be an appearance of impropriety.....your case will be out of the system by then.....just letting you know".Apr 14 07:36
DaemonFC[m]Honestly I have no idea what he'll really do but I'll help push this guy that went after me out of office. Sure, why not? I'm sure that was the point of the callApr 14 07:37
DaemonFC[m]Tap everyone this guy went after on the shoulder. Tell them that their defense lawyer is running against him.Apr 14 07:37
DaemonFC[m]I wonder how, exactly, the Republicans plan to flip blue states red.Apr 14 07:50
DaemonFC[m]COVID is the #1 killer of Americans 12 days in a row now and 95% of the people who die are over 50.Apr 14 07:51
DaemonFC[m]Unless their plan is to build a time radio to tell people in the 50s to fuck more, they can't replace the people who voted for Trump last time.Apr 14 07:51
DaemonFC[m]The problem I guess for Republicans is that they managed to keep many black people poor and downtrodden for so long that many don't make it to 60 anyway.Apr 14 07:54
DaemonFC[m]There's a fuckton of them but they're not making new ones.Apr 14 08:01
schestowitzAriadne: suggestion still valid?Apr 14 08:01
schestowitzafter an hour?Apr 14 08:01
AriadneyesApr 14 08:01
schestowitzok,waitApr 14 08:01
Ariadnei am still hereApr 14 08:01
DaemonFC[m]So whatever damage COVID does to the Trump base is permanent. Apr 14 08:01
Ariadnedump the tuxmachines DBs and put them somewhere i can fetch themApr 14 08:01
schestowitzokApr 14 08:02
Ariadnethen i can importApr 14 08:02
Ariadnethen we cut overApr 14 08:02
Ariadnedone and doneApr 14 08:02
schestowitzok, won't be longApr 14 08:02
Ariadnebeyond thatApr 14 08:05
Ariadnejust don't add new contentApr 14 08:05
Ariadneuntil we cut overApr 14 08:05
schestowitzdumpingApr 14 08:05
schestowitz1/2, drupal firstApr 14 08:05
schestowitzshould be about 369mb compressed, as per last dump a few hours ago (nightly)Apr 14 08:05
schestowitzbut I dump again to be sure nothing gets thrown awayApr 14 08:06
schestowitz369577340 Apr 14 07:06Apr 14 08:07
AriadneokApr 14 08:10
DaemonFC[m]Trump is whining now because governors have told him they'll coordinate with each other on when to open back up.Apr 14 08:15
schestowitzdumping gallery2 nowApr 14 08:22
schestowitzI had to write a script for itApr 14 08:22
schestowitzas it was too large for /homeApr 14 08:22
schestowitzand there was no script for itApr 14 08:22
schestowitzI hope /var is large enough, I think it isApr 14 08:23
schestowitzI will stop and fg every now and then to monitor disk spaceApr 14 08:24
schestowitzpause rather than stopApr 14 08:24
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XRevan86Repetitions for the Victory Parade 2020 are going as planned.Apr 14 16:45
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DaemonFC[m]> Repetitions for the Victory Parade 2020 are going as planned.Apr 14 19:40
DaemonFC[m]I admit it has turned into a sick obsession for me to hit the reload button to see how many more satisfied customers won't be voting Republican again.Apr 14 19:40
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XRevan86Meanwhile, in many regions (especially Kuban') police detains everybody. Which is a super-great quarantine measure… to puts lots of people into detention.Apr 14 19:42
XRevan86* to putApr 14 19:42
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XRevan86Driving a car alone to walking a dog alone – that's SARS-CoV-2 spreading right thereApr 14 19:43
XRevan86sitting with inmates in a detention centre – that's safetyApr 14 19:43
XRevan86Another great quarantine measure is to make people get in line to get a free movement pass.Apr 14 19:44
XRevan86nothing better than densely packing people next to an administration building doorApr 14 19:45
XRevan86Russians sacrifise freedoms for safety right now. And this is the kind of safety.Apr 14 19:45
XRevan86that they getApr 14 19:46
MinceRas long as it's _walking_ a dog and not standing on a corner for hours :>Apr 14 20:08
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DaemonFC[m]Actually, it's mostly killing Evangelicals, other Trump voters, and prisoners.Apr 14 20:32
DaemonFC[m]In Illinois it's already disposed of at least two child fuckers and a guy with a string of armed robberies and muggings.Apr 14 20:32
DaemonFC[m]It's solving more crime than the goddamned cops. It killed a few of them too, but they're criminals and thugs and were probably on the take anyway because cops and Chicago.Apr 14 20:32
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The Trump voters won't vote Republican again. The prisoners probably don't vote anyway and won't have an effect on the elections, but they won't re-offend after this. Bonus!Apr 14 20:34
MinceR:>Apr 14 20:34
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I've decided to vote to impeach all judges in Lake County except D. Christopher Lombardo, and to vote for my defense attorney's partner to take over as the prosecutor.Apr 14 20:35
DaemonFC[m]This place needs an enema.Apr 14 20:35
DaemonFC[m]Then of course the "Raise my in-laws taxes because that's what they get for cussing us out over the phone in the middle of the night twice.Apr 14 20:36
DaemonFC[m]Fuck if I care what the state spends it on.Apr 14 20:36
MinceRthis place needs a replacement to the human speciesApr 14 20:36
MinceRsomething actually intelligent and civilized and not quite so evilApr 14 20:37
DaemonFC[m]If this COVID thing ends up killing even 2% of the US population and they're almost entirely over 60, that's a pretty big loss for the Republican party.Apr 14 20:51
DaemonFC[m]That's to the point where it definitely flips some elections away from them.Apr 14 20:52
DaemonFC[m]We've had several very close elections in my lifetime. Since 2000 there was "officially" 517 votes between Bush and Gore in Florida in 2000.Apr 14 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Then there was like 140 or something in Minnesota between Al Franken and Norm Coleman in 2008.Apr 14 20:53
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't take much to swing an election if it would have been margins like that.Apr 14 20:53
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The Republican prosecutor in Lake County had better hope it stops getting worse here.Apr 14 20:56
DaemonFC[m]It's eating into his base.Apr 14 20:57
DaemonFC[m]Eric Rinehart needs to swing the election 3 points vs. the last guy who went up and lost to Michael Nerheim.Apr 14 20:57
DaemonFC[m]If COVID mops the floor with old people in Lake County, IL, it could be a much smaller gap.Apr 14 20:58
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smnthermes> DaemonFC[m] has written:Apr 14 21:11
smnthermes> Webkit is an absolute disaster now that Google and others have abandoned it and it's all Apple again.Apr 14 21:11
smnthermesAt least it renders gradients better than Blink, Gecko and ServoApr 14 21:11
smnthermes> schestowitz has written:Apr 14 21:12
smnthermes> rust is mirosoft-controlledApr 14 21:12
smnthermes> mozilla doesn't see an issue with itApr 14 21:12
smnthermes> it even put their discussions on discordApr 14 21:12
smnthermesHow so?Apr 14 21:12
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DaemonFC[m]The Treasury accidentally put $8.2 million dollars into an Indiana man's bank account instead of his stimulus check.Apr 14 22:41
DaemonFC[m]If they do that with me I told my mom I'd call her from Canada after I convert it to Bitcoin and sneak over the border.Apr 14 22:41
MinceRwhat a stimulus!Apr 14 22:41
DaemonFC[m]Start the fuck over with $8 million. Sure. Byeeee!Apr 14 22:41
DaemonFC[m]So long and thanks for all of the misdemeanors and years without health insurance.Apr 14 22:42
DaemonFC[m]Like what the fuck do I owe these people? They spent all of their time and money harassing me and keeping me sick and poor.Apr 14 22:42
DaemonFC[m]I get $8 million, I'm fucking gone buddy.Apr 14 22:43
DaemonFC[m]There isn't going to be a "I got $8 million and I tapped the government on the shoulder and said 'Hey, you made a mistake. Please use this to murder some brown Venezuelan kids. I'm sure Trump needs it more than I do.'".Apr 14 22:46
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: This thing's basically killing off more nutcases and prisoners than Fidel Castro dumped on it in the late 70s.Apr 14 22:57
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DaemonFC[m]I don't see any good reason to hope it stops.Apr 14 22:57
DaemonFC[m]*on usApr 14 22:57
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty obvious how to survive it.Apr 14 22:58
MinceRas an added bonus, if it never stops, it will kill off the human species, ending this massive wave of extinction and existential threat for life on EarthApr 14 22:58
DaemonFC[m]Stay out of church and jail.Apr 14 22:58
DaemonFC[m]Two things I normally try to do anyway.Apr 14 22:58
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They're talking about it becoming seasonal and killing a bunch of these old people that missed the bus the last time.Apr 14 22:59
DaemonFC[m]It's also mutated at least once that we know of.Apr 14 22:59
MinceRit may yet mutate so it doesn't focus so much on old peopleApr 14 22:59
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I heard of 200 known mutationsApr 14 22:59
DaemonFC[m]I'm like "Oh please oh please oh please....."Apr 14 22:59
DaemonFC[m]I thought these people would never stop fucking us over at the polls.Apr 14 22:59
cubeman_40 million births vs 16.8 million deaths this yearApr 14 22:59
XRevan86Viruses mutate all the time.Apr 14 22:59
MinceRour failed human society will never stop fucking us over until it dies outApr 14 22:59
DaemonFC[m]They're the only group where Trump won the 2016 election.Apr 14 23:00
cubeman_covid-19 won't even put a dent in the net population growthApr 14 23:00
DaemonFC[m]77% turnout.Apr 14 23:00
MinceRwe have an extremely dysfunctional society.Apr 14 23:00
DaemonFC[m]It's fucking killing them.Apr 14 23:00
XRevan86So I'm not sure how one can quantify it.Apr 14 23:00
MinceRour society not only ensures that the people least fit to be given power are given power, but also that most people accept this as justifiedApr 14 23:00
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cubeman_I'd be more worried about ocean acidification or desertificationApr 14 23:01
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cubexyzcovid-19 deaths are about 125K world-wideApr 14 23:03
cubexyzabout 2 million casesApr 14 23:03
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Apr 14 23:40
DaemonFC[m]There's too many people floating around this place.Apr 14 23:40
DaemonFC[m]If it kills enough evangelical and criminal scum that things get better...Apr 14 23:41
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