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DaemonFC[m]Over the past 6.5 years we’reDec 16 00:00
DaemonFC[m]We'veDec 16 00:00
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DaemonFC[m]reasonably health communityDec 16 00:03
DaemonFC[m]HealthyDec 16 00:03
schestowitzthanks, correcting nowDec 16 00:03
schestowitzdoneDec 16 00:04
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GNUmoonThere doesn't appear to be evidence that the FBI backdoors were found in OpenBSD: 16 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenBSD code audit uncovers bugs, but no evidence of backdoor | Ars TechnicaDec 16 02:03
GNUmoonAny other evidence?Dec 16 02:03
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cybrNautfella in ##email just mentioned that MS is blocking his org's email b/c they share an IP block with some bad actors.  He's done everything he can to dance for MS (SPF, DKIM, etc), and cannot escape MS's /collective punishment/ practice.Dec 16 03:08
cybrNautseems like a noteworthy story on reckless collateral damage from MS-- another bit of rationale to get ppl off Hotmail/OutlookDec 16 03:10
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cybrNaut"ttys000> ehhh its bigger than i thought, the block i'm on is"Dec 16 03:12
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vZS1I'm not implementing IPFS cluster for 2 reasonsDec 16 03:41
vZS11) unnecessary complexityDec 16 03:41
vZS12) "Collaborative clusters allow individual, untrusted peers to join an IPFS Cluster as “followers” (without permission to modify or edit the pinset)." : People shouldn't be discouraged from modifying the index of objects being pinned.Dec 16 03:42
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vZS1"untrusted peer" is not the kind of label I am happy to call someone sharing their bandwidth. IPFS objects are all hashed. This "untrusted" language is damaging to community.Dec 16 03:44
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vZS1TR has a simple text-only, space-delimited, IPFS index which can easily be parsed. It's not going to get more complicated than that.Dec 16 03:46
vZS1schestowitz: maybe we could do a separate IPFS index in something like JSON to make it easy to include metadata. This would be particularly handy for stuff like audio and video files (we could have a field with a description, for each object, and also a name field)Dec 16 03:48
vZS1Expanding on 2) some people might want to pin only specific objects, so I don't see the point of the added complexity and rigidity here eitherDec 16 04:00
vZS1We've deliberately kept our system "stupid" so that it's easy to just grab data and pin whatever you want to from the index. This way, even people without programming knowledge can easily find what they want.Dec 16 04:16
vZS1Finally, 3) more functionality is unnecessary bloat. Adding unnecessary features makes it harder to run a node on embedded devices because of extra resource usage.Dec 16 04:19
vZS1Our current setup runs perfectly fine in devices like the raspberry pi. Because of the bloat already present in the go-ipfs implementation, a Pi 3B+ already has a significant proportion of system resources used up by go-ipfs. Our goal is to strip away bloat, not add to it.Dec 16 04:21
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DaemonFC[m]Okay, I finished the Lonesome Road add-on.Dec 16 05:14
DaemonFC[m]I decided to nuke Caesar's Legion.Dec 16 05:15
search_social 16 05:15
DaemonFC[m]Doesn't really change the main game too much. NCR Fame and lots of XP and a perk.Dec 16 05:15
search_socialRESOLVED, That our American Medical Association rescind its statement calling for physicians 4 to stop prescribing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine until sufficient evidence becomes 5 available to conclusively illustrate that the harm associated with use outweighs benefit early in 6 the disease course. Dec 16 05:16
search_socialoh look, big pharma new HCQ worked all along but didn't want to let that information cut into their profitsDec 16 05:16
DaemonFC[m]It didn't really help anyone in the Trump White House.Dec 16 05:18
DaemonFC[m]They stopped talking about it and went off to that homeopathic remedy the mypillow asshole was hawking.Dec 16 05:18
search_socialTrump didn't have the self-confidence necessary to realize big pharma was lyingDec 16 05:20
search_socialthat's his personal failing, he's too humbleDec 16 05:20
DaemonFC[m]:/Dec 16 05:29
search_sociali'm trying a new angleDec 16 05:30
search_socialget itDec 16 05:31
search_sociala tryangleDec 16 05:31
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DaemonFC[m]I guess I should download the GoG version of Fallout 3. They have all of the add-ons and I'm betting they removed that stupid Games for Windows Live crap.Dec 16 06:05
DaemonFC[m]The stuff that crashed under Wine until I took a hex editor to the dll and made a non-functional stub for the game to think loaded.Dec 16 06:05
schestowitz[03:08] <cybrNaut> fella in ##email just mentioned that MS is blocking his org's email b/c they share an IP block with some bad actors.  He's done everything he can to dance for MS (SPF, DKIM, etc), and cannot escape MS's /collective punishment/ practice.Dec 16 06:10
schestowitzSame thing happened to us at workDec 16 06:10
schestowitzemail 'hegemony'Dec 16 06:10
schestowitzmostly Google/MicrosoftDec 16 06:10
vZS1DNS and email are effectively finished. Both monopolised.Dec 16 06:18
schestowitzWhat was it like in the 80s?Dec 16 06:18
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schestowitzIIRC, ISPs had more leverageDec 16 06:19
schestowitzbefore GAFAMDec 16 06:19
schestowitzMy first email address was part of the ISP packageDec 16 06:19
vZS1If you want to communicate, run your own ticket system or support forum. Don't rely on email.Dec 16 06:21
vZS1The hegemony will only get worse.Dec 16 06:21
vZS1phpBB is pretty solid.Dec 16 06:22
vZS1Intuitive UIDec 16 06:22
vZS1Good for the non-technical types.Dec 16 06:22
vZS1Supports mobile and also stuff like RSSDec 16 06:24
vZS1The stack for phpBB is very old so you've got no worries about administration either.Dec 16 06:26
vZS1Ditch email. It's a list causeDec 16 06:27
vZS1s/list/lostDec 16 06:27
schestowitz[06:21] <vZS1> If you want to communicate, run your own ticket system or support forum. Don't rely on email.Dec 16 06:31
schestowitzI use ytalk on a mate's raspi nowDec 16 06:31
schestowitzwith konsole alerts for activityDec 16 06:31
schestowitzyou get alerted as the other person typesDec 16 06:31
schestowitz[06:22] <vZS1> phpBB is pretty solid.Dec 16 06:31
schestowitzI had two installations of it, there was once a severe security issue in itDec 16 06:32
schestowitz[06:27] <vZS1> Ditch email. It's a list causeDec 16 06:32
schestowitzSometimes you still need to accommodate what OTHER people usesDec 16 06:32
schestowitzas if the case for audio/video chatDec 16 06:32
schestowitzvZS1: 16 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » RIP E-mailDec 16 06:33
schestowitzlots more in 16 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » MailDec 16 06:33
vZS1I was speaking from a commercial point of viewDec 16 06:33
vZS1Email will put you in shacklesDec 16 06:34
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vZS1Email is declining anywayDec 16 06:35
vZS1A chat+forum system is much better in terms of autonomy of a project/businessDec 16 06:36
vZS1You don't need to jump through arbitrary hoops imposed by the GAFAM hegemony.Dec 16 06:37
vZS1What software you host is up to you.Dec 16 06:37
schestowitzThose are relatively new hoopsDec 16 06:37
schestowitzgot worse in recent yearsDec 16 06:37
vZS1They'll get worseDec 16 06:38
schestowitzsocial control media is another problemDec 16 06:38
schestowitzyou outsource the whole stack directly, to a third party that censorsDec 16 06:38
schestowitzSome clients ask us about 16 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SolarWinds Hack Could Affect 18K Customers — Krebs on SecurityDec 16 06:39
schestowitzwe don't use that piece of shite anywhereDec 16 06:39
schestowitzProprietary software and security are not compatibleDec 16 06:39
schestowitz 16 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New, free tool adds layer of security for the software supply chainDec 16 06:41
schestowitzlots citing this crap nowDec 16 06:41
vZS1A support system should also be easy to migrateDec 16 06:44
vZS1Or at least you should build the migration system for it in case you need to jump shipDec 16 06:45
vZS1If you don't have a migration system in place you're in for a ride. (:Dec 16 06:46
vZS1It basically boils down to knowing exactly where and how your data is stored and the data structures in use.Dec 16 06:46
mjg59 demonstrated that this isn't something restricted to non-free softwareDec 16 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The trojaning of mICQ []Dec 16 06:47
vZS1Hapless system engineers just cobble things together but when SHTF all they can do is such their head in the sand and get trapped into an ecosystem.Dec 16 06:47
vZS1s/such/stickDec 16 06:48
vZS1This is one of the ShitHub traps.Dec 16 06:48
vZS1Tried and tested.Dec 16 06:48
vZS1Clown computing as wellDec 16 06:48
schestowitzthey blame GitHub issues on "Linux" nowDec 16 06:52
schestowitzI thought about making the next video about thatDec 16 06:52
schestowitzthere are two type of that this weekDec 16 06:53
schestowitzthe other is a Windows TrojanDec 16 06:53
vZS1At the start of this year I saved an entire operation that had tens of terabytes of data that needed migration. They didn't have anyone with foresight designing their system. I had to sit down and teach them about the importance of understanding what their data is stored as. Then the migration effort was smooth sailing.Dec 16 06:53
schestowitzwhich they try to associate with Linux because it MIGHT get ported to itDec 16 06:53
vZS1If you can wait until the weekend, I'd like to pitch in on that.Dec 16 06:54
schestowitzdid you see the articles?Dec 16 06:55
schestowitzthey actually recycle older FUDDec 16 06:55
vZS1Link them plsDec 16 06:55
schestowitzalong the lines of 16 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ZDNet Calls Windows Ransomware “Linux” to Keep Pages About Linux Full of Fear-Mongering Nonsense | TechrightsDec 16 06:56
schestowitzfirst pattern: 16 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gitpaste-12 Worm Widens Set of Exploits in New Attacks | ThreatpostDec 16 06:56
schestowitzsaw it last monthDec 16 06:56
schestowitzthen again twice yesterdayDec 16 06:56
schestowitzthey recycle itDec 16 06:56
schestowitzThe lousy media keeps trying to associate this Microsoft GitHub (proprietary software) problem with "Linux"Dec 16 06:56
vZS1I wasn't really reading much TR back in AugustDec 16 06:56
schestowitz 16 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Windows malware may soon target Linux, macOS devicesDec 16 06:57
schestowitz"May soon". How to  frame a Windows problem as "Linux".Dec 16 06:57
schestowitzThis is days old: 16 06:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ZDNet Has Just Cooked Another Crooked Story Tacitly Blaming Linux and Postgres for Something That’s to Blame on Neither | TechrightsDec 16 06:57
vZS1I'll put these down in my calendar. We can do a discussion over this on Saturday or Sunday (if you're available). Perhaps over mumble?Dec 16 06:58
vZS1Mumble does have a recording featureDec 16 06:58
schestowitzit doesDec 16 06:59
schestowitzwe used lots of software over the yearsDec 16 06:59
vZS1I'll study these articles you linked and make notes. I'll keep said notes ready for our podcast.Dec 16 07:00
schestowitzSIP stuff aplenty, usually audacity and openshot where editing became necessaryDec 16 07:00
vZS1SIP?Dec 16 07:00
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schestowitzmumble is e2e afaikDec 16 07:00
vZS1Ah. Yeah, you can use TLSDec 16 07:01
schestowitzmost we did was 3 simultaneous people in itDec 16 07:01
vZS1We can try to get fig on an wellDec 16 07:01
vZS1s/an/asDec 16 07:01
vZS1But I'm alright with just 2Dec 16 07:02
schestowitzfig threw a tantrum over something people said in IRC about nutritionDec 16 07:02
vZS1Not really the person to ask about nutrition (me)Dec 16 07:03
vZS1So I can't commentDec 16 07:03
schestowitzsometimes about some addictive chemical in foodsDec 16 07:03
vZS1I've noted the links you just shared. I'll give them a read and make notes for the podcastDec 16 07:07
schestowitzI need to know more about you before leaping into a podcastDec 16 07:08
vZS1It's pre-recordedDec 16 07:08
schestowitzbecause we've been subjected to spying operations and stuffDec 16 07:08
vZS1You can edit out thingsDec 16 07:08
vZS1Or I could go a written piece.Dec 16 07:09
vZS1Up to youDec 16 07:09
schestowitzFor this one, a written piece might be betterDec 16 07:09
vZS1s/go/doDec 16 07:09
schestowitz 16 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How To Join the Fediverse and Cast Off the Attention Economy | The ChangelogDec 16 07:10
schestowitz"When you use email, you can send a message from an account at Google to one at Yahoo, Microsoft, or any of millions of businesses and organizations running their own mail server. Unlike, say, Facebook, email isn’t a single service, but rather a whole bunch of independent systems that can communicate (or federate) with each other."Dec 16 07:10
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vZS1That's based on the assumption that anyone can set up an email server that can freely send email.Dec 16 07:11
vZS1Which is a false assumptionDec 16 07:11
vZS1You'll get filtered as spam unless you're GAFAM, more often than not.Dec 16 07:12
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schestowitzfediverse has similar issuesDec 16 07:12
schestowitzwith sites that refuse to federate with some othersDec 16 07:13
vZS1Failed assumptions there as wellDec 16 07:13
schestowitzwe said it in our podcast a decade back wrt diasporaDec 16 07:15
schestowitzthat instances might refuse to cooperate with some othersDec 16 07:15
schestowitzso free speech was not at at guaranteedDec 16 07:15
schestowitzunless you want to speak to yourselfDec 16 07:15
schestowitzthen there are other elephants in the roomDec 16 07:16
schestowitzfor 2.5 weeks now the bot in this channel, viera, has not workedDec 16 07:16
vZS1All these performs have their strategy backwardsDec 16 07:16
schestowitzbecause the site it relies on is downDec 16 07:16
schestowitzthis is the third time I lose a fediverse account.... in less than half a decade, maybe 4 yearsDec 16 07:16
vZS1The data should be easy to share, people should share it via whatever channels of communication they feel likeDec 16 07:17
schestowitz(apparently this latest account will be restored later this week, the database is just vast and takes time to restore after serious hardware crash)Dec 16 07:17
vZS1That's why BitTorrent is so successfulDec 16 07:17
schestowitzWTF is THIS? 16 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ampere Altra Performance Shows It Can Compete With - Or Even Outperform - AMD EPYC & Intel Xeon - PhoronixDec 16 07:18
schestowitzsounds like phoronix marketingDec 16 07:18
vZS1Nobody cares how you tell people about torrent files nor magnet linksDec 16 07:18
vZS1The important thing is that torrents are easy to shareDec 16 07:18
vZS1IPFS is gaining traction for similar reasonsDec 16 07:18
vZS1Phoronix is just a marketing platformDec 16 07:23
vZS1Anyway. Got stuff to do. Cya later.Dec 16 07:23
schestowitzold: 16 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU Manifesto Published Thirty Years AgoDec 16 07:28
schestowitzvZS1: cheers!Dec 16 07:32
schestowitzvZS1: and don't feel offended if we need more time before the podcast thing, it's a big project, need to think it all throughDec 16 07:32
schestowitz 16 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google outage: zaitcev — LiveJournalDec 16 07:32
schestowitz"It's very funny to hear about people who were unable to turn on their lights because their houses were "smart". Not a good look for Google Nest! But I had a real problem:"Dec 16 07:32
vZS1> and don't feel offended if we need more time before the podcast thing, it's a big project, need to think it all throughDec 16 07:33
vZS1That's understandable.Dec 16 07:33
schestowitz"Google outage crashed my Thunderbird so good that the only fix is to delete the ~/.thunderbird and re-add all accounts."Dec 16 07:33
schestowitzwowDec 16 07:33
schestowitzvZS1: I can say it on the record:Dec 16 07:34
schestowitzprevious co-host was a copDec 16 07:34
schestowitzwho later turned out to have been infiltrating groups, by his own admissionDec 16 07:34
schestowitzso whether or not we were among the targets, hard to tellDec 16 07:34
schestowitzhe denies itDec 16 07:34
schestowitzand he's no longer a copDec 16 07:34
schestowitzI spoke to some experts about itDec 16 07:35
schestowitzthey don't rule out the possibilityDec 16 07:35
schestowitzlike Annie MachonDec 16 07:35
schestowitzthis is why I'm also putting no passwords on the piDec 16 07:35
schestowitzhe also knew 16 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Police investigate officer who infiltrated environmental groups | Mark Kennedy | The GuardianDec 16 07:36
schestowitzof course this may all mean nothing at all, but no agent will say upfront, "yeah, you got me"Dec 16 07:37
schestowitz 16 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sigurdur Thordarson - WikipediaDec 16 07:37
schestowitzTwo types of threat in that regardDec 16 07:37
schestowitzeither infiltratorDec 16 07:38
schestowitzor insider who is later being bribed to become oneDec 16 07:38
schestowitzto stir up trouble or spy (or both)Dec 16 07:38
schestowitzpeople with server access I've known for well over a decadeDec 16 07:38
schestowitzthe ipfs stuff is all public, no passwords or anything, just sharingDec 16 07:39
schestowitzso at this point it's risk-freeDec 16 07:39
schestowitzI know you wrote some books, I can see thatDec 16 07:39
schestowitzbut a third aspect is the adherents aspectDec 16 07:40
schestowitzwhich, for the record, I'll explain like thisDec 16 07:40
schestowitz1) person A comes to project/site XDec 16 07:40
schestowitz2) person A has issues with person BDec 16 07:40
schestowitz3) person A gossips and asks for person B to be removedDec 16 07:41
schestowitzanother version:Dec 16 07:41
schestowitz2) person A asks for unreasonable things to be doneDec 16 07:41
schestowitz3a) those things are done, causing the project a catastropheDec 16 07:41
schestowitzor 3b) person A throws a tantrum, goes around publicly (press/Internet) shaming the former 'colleagues' (this was done a lot to Wikileaks over the years)\Dec 16 07:42
schestowitzbottom line: we're careful,  not selective, who gets in and who we associate with (anyone can join IRC; not everyone gets server or blog access)Dec 16 07:43
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vZS1It's a good thing you're careful. We've already seen what can happen to projects that aren't.Dec 16 11:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4791235)Dec 16 14:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | iPhone factory workers say they haven’t been paid, cause millions in damages | Ars TechnicaDec 16 14:50
DaemonFC[m]SabotageDec 16 14:50
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XRevan86 cuteDec 16 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | More-Troll KombatDec 16 15:01
DaemonFC[m]The FDA authorized an at-home COVID test, but it relies on a smartphone app. Most likely so it can rat you out to the government. There's really no functional need for anything other than what those at-home HIV tests do, where it's one line or two lines.Dec 16 15:07
DaemonFC[m]It's another way your smartphone can rat you out to the government that people are going to volunteer for.Dec 16 15:08
DaemonFC[m]USCIS says they won't consider COVID-19 diagnosis for immigration, but they will.Dec 16 15:13
DaemonFC[m]Believe me, they will.Dec 16 15:13
DaemonFC[m]The government lies whenever their lips are moving, and the US immigration people are 10 times worse.Dec 16 15:14
DaemonFC[m]They said whatever they needed to say to get through the years where Obama could have fired them, and then they all put on their Trump hats.Dec 16 15:15
DaemonFC[m]You could tell that they had been itching to take the gloves off and crack skull over things like parking tickets for many years.Dec 16 15:15
DaemonFC[m]And then, as the finishing touch, Trump had them rip off their name tags and launch chemical weapons attacks and kidnappings against US citizens.Dec 16 15:16
DaemonFC[m]Whether they let them go or not after a few hours in custody is irrelevant. They would identify themselves or which "police" they were with, and they wouldn't say what you were "detained" for, and then as soon as you refused to talk to them and asked for a lawyer, they cut you loose so the courts couldn't review it.Dec 16 15:17
DaemonFC[m]It was clearly a dry run for something worse that Trump was planning.Dec 16 15:17
DaemonFC[m]*wouldn'tDec 16 15:17
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DaemonFC[m]At the point where they wouldn't identify themselves or what charge they had detained you on, the detention was immediately unlawful.Dec 16 15:18
DaemonFC[m]It was pretty clear that the orders from above were to push it as far as they could until it became incredibly clear that what they would do next was illegal and then once the bluff was called, cut em loose.Dec 16 15:20
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I ran into one of those "Why isn't the story with power armor consistent in Fallout?".Dec 16 15:22
DaemonFC[m]It's a game. A better science question would be how most of that technology is possible in the alt-world given that transistors were never much of a thing and that AI robots using vacuum tubes probably wouldn't be possible and they certainly wouldn't still be actively patrolling abandoned bases 200 years after the apocalypse.Dec 16 15:24
MinceR:>Dec 16 15:24
MinceR 16 15:25
DaemonFC[m]I suppose that the dialog would seem to suggest that the military had advanced computers and robots built on transistor technology, but most civilian tech is retrograde.Dec 16 15:28
DaemonFC[m]A possible explanation for that is that they wanted to limit how much advanced technology that Chinese and Russian spies could gather from the civilian sector and apply to military use. Dec 16 15:29
DaemonFC[m]It's possible that in the alt-world, the Chinese and Russians really are many years behind the US military, that's why, and that the nuclear attack from China was purely out of spite after the mainland was overrun with US soldiers in advanced combat armor.Dec 16 15:31
DaemonFC[m]There was no personal computer market because they would have to let go of state secrets with potential military applications.Dec 16 15:32
DaemonFC[m]So the mixed messages about how advanced 2077 alt-world America really was might make sense.Dec 16 15:33
DaemonFC[m]I haven't played all the games though.Dec 16 15:34
DaemonFC[m]The way power armor works suddenly changing completely in Fallout 4 was just sloppy storytelling though.Dec 16 15:36
MinceR 16 15:36
DaemonFC[m]Oh they seem to be good at making themselves irrelevant.Dec 16 15:37
DaemonFC[m]They negotiated a parasitic relationship on the EU and then demanded sovereignty from a deal they set up that mostly benefited themselves.Dec 16 15:38
MinceR:>Dec 16 15:38
DaemonFC[m]Then after they left, they want the same parasitic relationship on trade, but it's not a problem now.Dec 16 15:38
DaemonFC[m]TLDR Brexit is like "You know, it's be great if you let us continue freeloading off your economic bloc without contributing even the window dressings that we have now.".Dec 16 15:40
DaemonFC[m]*it'dDec 16 15:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's not that the UK excluding England is really altruistic or loves the EU so much that they're smart enough to figure out that this is lunacy and that neither the EU nor the countries that they were trading with through the EU's agreements are obligated to give then jack shit now. Dec 16 15:41
DaemonFC[m]Outside of the framework that took decades to build they have to negotiate all over again, and it could well end up worse.Dec 16 15:42
DaemonFC[m]Then for some reason they just can't stop fucking with Northern Ireland even if the EU and the US say there will be consequences. Dec 16 15:42
DaemonFC[m]The EU may or may not mean it. They often say one thing on human rights and do another, but I'm not so sure that this US-UK trade deal won't be impacted severely by this. There's a new Sheriff in town over here, and unlike the Departing Despot, he might actually sanction them.Dec 16 15:44
DaemonFC[m]Nancy Pelosi already said absolutely no deal if they cross the red line of reneging further on the Good Friday Agreement.Dec 16 15:45
DaemonFC[m]And like Brexit, it's really stupid to reopen old wounds anyway regardless of what other countries are saying about this.Dec 16 15:45
DaemonFC[m]Lots of people ended up dying the first time around, for over 40 years, because they didn't want to be meddled with.Dec 16 15:46
DaemonFC[m]Take a hint. If they're happy to stop the violence in exchange for some devolved form of government, quit there. Immediately. Dec 16 15:46
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Schizophrenic Sneering ImperialismDec 16 15:47
DaemonFC[m]When that little voice inside your head tells you you're still an empire.Dec 16 15:47
MinceR> and do anotherDec 16 15:47
MinceRor do nothingDec 16 15:47
DaemonFC[m]Because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darn it, Northern Ireland likes you.Dec 16 15:48
MinceRwhile the gypsy king poisons and destroys the whole thingDec 16 15:48
DaemonFC[m]The US still isn't to the point where there's going to be any sort of serious breakawy movement. My dad seems to think 38 states will secede because Trump lost the election.Dec 16 15:49
DaemonFC[m]It's rather sad that he doesn't really see what this is.Dec 16 15:49
DaemonFC[m]A few rednecks gathering in DC to knife police officers and yell "STOP THE STEAL!" at a building.Dec 16 15:50
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I'm sure that knifing the cops is going to go really well. Good luck with that.Dec 16 15:51
DaemonFC[m]You know, if you had sympathizers in there and you were hoping to stay off the watch lists just because of that, you blew it.Dec 16 15:51
DaemonFC[m]But these people are too fucking dumb to realize that now they've messed with an organized crime syndicate with state authority.Dec 16 15:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: If a bunch of black people started gathering packing assault rifles and wearing military surplus we all know what would happen.Dec 16 15:53
DaemonFC[m]Even in 2020, the Klan is free to go on the march and the cops are on their side, frankly speaking. Dec 16 15:54
MinceR:>Dec 16 15:54
DaemonFC[m]So the cops are like the mafia, or a gang of street thugs even. You stay away from them. You don't talk to them. You definitely don't piss them off.Dec 16 15:55
DaemonFC[m]And in return, they probably leave you alone because you're a non-threat.Dec 16 15:55
MinceRthat's what the state is like tooDec 16 16:14
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scientes 16 16:32
scienteslolDec 16 16:32
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scientesgot some giggles out of meDec 16 16:33
scientesMinceR, what the hell is this brain thing?Dec 16 16:35
scientessuper creepy if you ask meDec 16 16:36
MinceRart :>Dec 16 16:36
scientesschestowitz, 16 16:36
schestowitzlet me see..Dec 16 16:37
schestowitzWales also?Dec 16 16:38
scientesMinceR posted itDec 16 16:38
scientesschestowitz, you mean ireland alsoDec 16 16:38
schestowitzyeah, all of themDec 16 16:38
scientesEngland and wales is the same flagDec 16 16:39
schestowitzthey have a dragonDec 16 16:39
schestowitzand crest iircDec 16 16:39
MinceRthe flag of wales is not part of the union jackDec 16 16:39
scientesahhh yes, so they have no representation in the union jackDec 16 16:39
schestowitz"The Union Flag, or Union Jack, is the national flag of the United Kingdom. It is so called because it combines the crosses of the three countries united under one Sovereign - the kingdoms of England and Wales, of Scotland and of Ireland (although since 1921 only Northern Ireland has been part of the United Kingdom)."Dec 16 16:40
scientesI wish I was still in contact with my Norwegeian friendDec 16 16:41
scientesto share that with himDec 16 16:41
scientesvery scandanavian humorDec 16 16:41
schestowitztheir flags are usually just crossesDec 16 16:41
scientesthere was this russian video for the fifa word cupDec 16 16:41
scientesand they have the colors horizontal so it looked like a french flag too meDec 16 16:41
schestowitz"Wales had no explicit recognition in the Union Jack as it had been a part of the Kingdom of England since being annexed by Edward I of England in 1282 and its full integration by the Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542, and was therefore represented by the flag of England."Dec 16 16:41
schestowitz 16 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Union Jack - WikipediaDec 16 16:42
scientesschestowitz, we flags a big thing in the 13th century?Dec 16 16:42
scientesthe EU has this anti-flag policyDec 16 16:42
scientes(and then they have their own flag, the hypocrites)Dec 16 16:43
scientesWestminster Abbey was built at the same timeDec 16 16:45
kingoffranceheralds dont pun, because they cantDec 16 16:47
DaemonFC[m] 16 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | No, COVID-19 vaccines don’t contain Satan’s microchips (and other scary conspiracy theories aren’t true, either)Dec 16 16:48
schestowitzBS straw manDec 16 16:48
schestowitzthe Microsoft/Gates sites would paint vaccien critics as cranksDec 16 16:48
schestowitzby appealing to the most nutty theoriesDec 16 16:48
schestowitz5G industry did the sameDec 16 16:48
schestowitzbut this is expectedDec 16 16:49
MinceRsatan's microchips > yahweh's microchipsDec 16 16:49
scientesMinceR, 16 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-James Ingram and Michael McDonald - Yah Mo Be There - YouTubeDec 16 16:49
DaemonFC[m] 16 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Archer- Bunny and Lettuce (Funny) - YouTubeDec 16 16:49
scientes>  (and other scary conspiracy theories aren’t true, either)Dec 16 16:50
scientesthe blanket statement like this means they are lyingDec 16 16:50
scientesMinceR, yahweh is horrible however, as that sound does not exist in HebrewDec 16 16:51
scientesit is just those annoying prostestantsDec 16 16:51
scientesahhh here it is 16 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-James Ingram Michael McDonald Yah Mo Be There Extended version - YouTubeDec 16 16:53
kingoffrancequite the opposite. reagan decided noahide laws were a good thingDec 16 16:55
kingoffrancethe beauty of religion is you just say everyone has magical invisible contracts in the pre-existenceDec 16 16:55
kingoffranceand then no consent of teh governed is neededDec 16 16:55
MinceRscientes: jews shouldn't have turned the name of their god into a taboo and then they'd still know what that god is calledDec 16 16:56
scienteshehDec 16 16:56
scientesMinceR, but that isn't really it. Arabic has the same problem with lack of vowels.Dec 16 16:57
scientesbut Yahweh certainly is wrong, as that vowel just doesn't exist in HebrewDec 16 16:57
scientesEnglish has like 9 vowels (although those postestants dont know that either)Dec 16 16:57
MinceRthere is a way to denote vowels in hebrew, but they used the marks for "adonai" insteadDec 16 16:57
scientesEnglish is particularly rich in vowelsDec 16 16:57
scientesnah, they do put YHWH in there, they just don't say itDec 16 16:58
MinceRthose are the consonantsDec 16 16:58
scientesand historically they write WHWH in the babalonian script, rather than "modern" hebrewDec 16 16:58
scientes(post-exile)Dec 16 16:58
MinceRthey haven't fucked with the consonants yet, afaikDec 16 16:58
scientesthe vowel markings are VERY recent (same in Arabic)Dec 16 16:59
MinceRthen i guess they forgot what their god was called because they never said it and didn't write it down eitherDec 16 16:59
kingoffrancei thought scientes was in americaDec 16 16:59
scientesthe Jehovah Witnesses are adament about saying itDec 16 17:00
scientesand that is a reasonable choice of vowelsDec 16 17:00
MinceRisn't theirs wrong though?Dec 16 17:00
scientesit is just that the KJV bible removed the sacred name of the Hebrew godDec 16 17:00
scientesMinceR, no, Jehovah is a reasonable choice of vowelsDec 16 17:00
kingoffranceand which bible is in federal code that all the us presidents swear in on?Dec 16 17:00
scientesand the correct consonentsDec 16 17:00
scientes(V and W are not distinguished)Dec 16 17:01
MinceRi guess i'll just use "the god whose dumbass followers forgot the name of"Dec 16 17:02
scientesbut that isn't trueDec 16 17:02
MinceRmuch more specificDec 16 17:02
scientesthey write it downDec 16 17:02
MinceRthey wrote part of it downDec 16 17:02
MinceRand the rest they forgotDec 16 17:02
scientesit is just when they recite it, they do not say it, because they are afraid of G-dDec 16 17:02
scientesMinceR, no, the whole language does not write vowelsDec 16 17:02
scienteslike ArabicDec 16 17:02
scientesand go try telling Arabic speakers they are stupidDec 16 17:03
MinceRmost of them are, since they're humans :>Dec 16 17:03
scientesit is pretty simple, they do not say God's sacred name because they are afraid of godDec 16 17:03
MinceRthey invented a crazy monster for a godDec 16 17:04
scientesit is Exodus 6:2 or aboutsDec 16 17:04
MinceRand then they're selling that character as the pinnacle of goodnessDec 16 17:04
MinceRbecause they never had any understanding of what goodness isDec 16 17:04
scienteswhere God goes "this is my special name---I appeared before to Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, but did not reveal my sacred name to them"Dec 16 17:04
kingoffranceexcept thats the devil not "god"Dec 16 17:05
kingoffranceold test is obsolete for a reasonDec 16 17:05
MinceReven their devil is a better characterDec 16 17:05
scienteswhat devil?Dec 16 17:06
MinceRthe one abrahamics inventedDec 16 17:06
scientesMinceR, this one? 16 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pangolin - WikipediaDec 16 17:08
MinceRlolDec 16 17:08
schestowitz[16:56] <MinceR> scientes: jews shouldn't have turned the name of their god into a taboo and then they'd still know what that god is calledDec 16 17:09
schestowitzI think they're OK writing it, but not saying itDec 16 17:09
scientes^^^^seeeDec 16 17:09
schestowitzSome never saw their spouse nakedDec 16 17:09
schestowitzreligion is a mental conditionDec 16 17:09
scientesthey just cut a hole in the sheetDec 16 17:10
schestowitzesp. in higher dosesDec 16 17:10
scientesschestowitz, so is modern life, esp. in higher dosesDec 16 17:10
schestowitz:-3Dec 16 17:10
MinceR16 180945 < schestowitz> I think they're OK writing it, but not saying itDec 16 17:10
MinceRmaybe because they can't write it :>Dec 16 17:11
scientes 16 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | File:Prince of Wales Pangolin Armour.jpg - WikipediaDec 16 17:11
scientes^^^most bad-ass armor everDec 16 17:11
MinceRnot even power armorDec 16 17:12
scientesMinceR, dude, its made from the scales of the devilDec 16 17:12
MinceRnot even dragon scalesDec 16 17:13
schestowitzare these from real pangolins? :(Dec 16 17:25
MinceR(audio:unimportant) 16 17:33
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Supposedly, Fallout and The Elder Scrolls are set in the same universe.Dec 16 17:34
DaemonFC[m]There are definitely also spacefaring extraterrestrials in the Fallout universe.Dec 16 17:34
MinceR:)Dec 16 17:35
DaemonFC[m]The Mothership Zeta aliens have been watching alt-world Earth for at least several hundred years prior to Fallout 3.Dec 16 17:35
DaemonFC[m]When you get abducted and break out of their holding cell, you come across people from the US military pre-war and a Samurai from Japan in the mid 1500s.Dec 16 17:36
DaemonFC[m]He speaks Japanese, of course, but it's mostly complaints that he has no idea what you're saying because he's never heard English and that the aliens took his katana sword and he is extremely pissed off and wants it back so he can kill them with it.Dec 16 17:37
DaemonFC[m]One of the three pre-war American soldiers has four theories about what the aliens are up to.Dec 16 17:39
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DaemonFC[m]And it's story plots lifted from Independence Day, Star Trek, Mars Attacks, and Invasion of the Body Snatchers.Dec 16 17:40
DaemonFC[m]His Body Snatchers theory is exactly what The Institute does in Fallout 4, when it replaces officials with synthetic humans in order to have spies in various settlements and factions.Dec 16 17:42
DaemonFC[m]Along with being disappointed by the game play mechanics of Fallout 4, I was also displeased with the faction choices.Dec 16 17:46
DaemonFC[m]The Brotherhood of Steel west coast is more like the Enclave from Fallout 3.Dec 16 17:47
MinceR(audio) 16 17:48
DaemonFC[m]And the only other advanced faction is The Institute, which, iirc, you can either destroy to help synths escape or help, and they would remain enslaved sentients, but The Institute is the only faction with any interest or capability of reclaiming the surface and not engaging in mass murder against the wasteland inhabitants. Dec 16 17:48
DaemonFC[m]I think I did the Institute ending on my playthrough of Fallout 4 because I didn't see a better alternative. The other options are basically helping the Nazis or some people who mean well but will never progress past wasteland occupants living in ruins.Dec 16 17:50
DaemonFC[m]New Vegas kind of has three very distinct options. There's the fascist slave army that crucifies people (Caesar's Legion), the New California Republic (which resembles a sort of Restored United States from before the war caused it to become incredibly corrupt), or an "Independent Vegas" ending that doesn't really leave the political situation between the NCR and Legion resolved.Dec 16 17:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I think it very consciously draws from The Postman.Dec 16 17:53
DaemonFC[m]I mean, come on, Caesar's Legion instead of the Holnists, The Courier (the postman), and the NCR (Restored USA).Dec 16 17:53
MinceRNational Cash Register?Dec 16 17:54
DaemonFC[m]The New California Republic seems to be advancing technologically. Dec 16 17:54
DaemonFC[m]They've developed a crude understanding of power armor and operate Vertibirds. Dec 16 17:54
DaemonFC[m]The Legion is what you'd ally yourself with if you were doing a playthrough as an evil character.Dec 16 17:55
DaemonFC[m]There's actually more than three endings depending on what you did in the game.Dec 16 17:56
DaemonFC[m]For example, if you overthrow House and do Independent Vegas before upgrading the Securitrons from police to soldier, then the game ends and the narrator says that the Mark I Securitrons had a difficult time maintaining any sort of order and things got much worse before they started to stabilize again.Dec 16 17:57
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I really dislike Mr. House, honestly. Dec 16 17:58
MinceRi don't know a lot about falloutDec 16 17:58
DaemonFC[m]I haven't ever killed him on a playthrough because I think it's more fitting to just keep his 300 year old body hooked up to life support without the ability to control anything with his neural interface.Dec 16 17:59
DaemonFC[m]He just dangles there for probably another hundred years while machines keep him from dying.Dec 16 17:59
DaemonFC[m]All he can do is stare at the door.Dec 16 17:59
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DaemonFC[m]It's probably the most evil way of dealing with House. Lilly says it was too cruel and the NCR suggests they'll go there and pull the plug to make sure nobody ever hooks him back up, but they never do.Dec 16 18:01
DaemonFC[m]He saved Vegas with an anti-ICBM system (which wasn't fully functional, but was enough to stop 56/65 missiles from hitting the Mojave area. Dec 16 18:02
DaemonFC[m]But he did it so he could lord over the area and eventually upgrade his Securitrons and go looking for new territory to conquer.Dec 16 18:02
DaemonFC[m]I think leaving him dangling there is a fitting punishment for trying to be dictator with expansionist goals and for failing to offer his anti-missile technology to the government before the nukes hit. Dec 16 18:03
DaemonFC[m]So in a way, he kind of "saved" Vegas and deliberately let everything else burn.Dec 16 18:04
DaemonFC[m]So narcissistic billionaire who let millions die so they could rule the post-apocalypse. I was reading other people's takes on House and nobody else seems to have that view after watching the storyline, at least on Reddit. Dec 16 18:05
DaemonFC[m]He even gloats about how he had the superior intellect to see it all coming and cheat death indefinitely.Dec 16 18:07
DaemonFC[m]All the billions of dollars he spent to set everything up.Dec 16 18:07
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The whole game universe is an exercise in moral relativism.Dec 16 18:09
DaemonFC[m]If you listen to the backstory, it's pretty clear that in the Sino-American War, the Chinese started it, but the United States didn't just drive them out and break their ability to make war. It tried to invade and takeover mainland China, and the ICBM launches were a last resort that China didn't really want to do.Dec 16 18:10
DaemonFC[m]The Power Armor is the superweapon that made it impossible for the US military to pull off an invasion while being overwhelmed by numbers.Dec 16 18:11
DaemonFC[m]*possibleDec 16 18:11
DaemonFC[m]The funniest thing about New Vegas is that even after you have power armor and a minigun, freeside thugs armed with a baseball bat or a switchblade still try to attack.Dec 16 18:12
MinceRmost videogames with combat are like thatDec 16 18:13
DaemonFC[m]The weakspot of the game is that there aren't the sort of random encounters you might get in some of the other ones.Dec 16 18:15
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty clear where each kind of enemy spawns at. Dec 16 18:15
MinceRit happens even in games that don't spawn enemies after the level startedDec 16 18:16
schestowitzAriadne: congrats on the two bugfix releasesDec 16 18:16
DaemonFC[m]The miniguns are always my favorite weapon.Dec 16 18:16
MinceRyou can beat the boss of one episode and lesser monsters will still happily attack you in the next :>Dec 16 18:16
DaemonFC[m]As long as you can stock up on 5 mm bullets (especially armor piercing), you don't have to be terribly accurate with it.Dec 16 18:16
DaemonFC[m]For some reason, the game offers you a lot of hollow point 5 mm even though those do almost nothing to heavily armored players or deathclaws.Dec 16 18:18
DaemonFC[m]They do more damage to unarmored opponents, but unless you're trying to clear out a vault full of insects or something there's just not much use for them.Dec 16 18:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I do not really understand the psychology of Trump voters continuing to insist he'll be around after January.Dec 16 18:22
DaemonFC[m]They're setting themselves up to be knocked down a lot harder and he only has a month left.Dec 16 18:23
DaemonFC[m]All so that they can live in a fantasy world for another 34 days.Dec 16 18:23
schestowitzeven Putin congratulates BidenDec 16 18:23
schestowitzeven Moscow Mitch says to Senators, stand downDec 16 18:23
schestowitz cults are dangerousaDec 16 18:23
schestowitzand this is a dangerous cultDec 16 18:24
MinceRthey're stupid, of course they engage in self-harming behaviorDec 16 18:24
schestowitzsee qanonDec 16 18:24
schestowitztotal looniesDec 16 18:24
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Mitch knows that it will be an embarrassing spectacle that they can't win and that it will paint the entire party openly as incredibly sore losers.Dec 16 18:24
DaemonFC[m]And few people like incredibly sore losers.Dec 16 18:24
schestowitzthat would not change what they areDec 16 18:24
DaemonFC[m]That's how you lose seats next election.Dec 16 18:24
schestowitzor perception of themDec 16 18:24
schestowitzthey did this for 50 monthsDec 16 18:24
schestowitzor 49Dec 16 18:24
schestowitznazi enablers all the wayDec 16 18:25
schestowitzbut with different wording, symbols, labelsDec 16 18:25
DaemonFC[m]The Cult of Trump seems to be interested in listening to a fresh variation of him grousing over Twitter from his toilet about his loss each day.Dec 16 18:25
DaemonFC[m]But for how long? Another 4 years?Dec 16 18:25
DaemonFC[m]Then my mom was panicking that there would be a trucker strike because a few of them were calling for one in late November to protest Trump losing the election.Dec 16 18:26
DaemonFC[m]And then the strike never did happen.Dec 16 18:26
DaemonFC[m]The fact that Facebook doesn't do anything to silence threats against the public like that shows who the enemy of the American public is.Dec 16 18:27
schestowitz● NEWS ● #CommonDreams # ☞ New 'Trump Lame Duck Temper Tantrum' Tracker Will Document Final Gasps of Nation's Infantile Outgoing President Dec 16 18:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New 'Trump Lame Duck Temper Tantrum' Tracker Will Document Final Gasps of Nation's Infantile Outgoing President | Common Dreams NewsDec 16 18:28
DaemonFC[m]I told her, "So, what you're saying is that the far-right is so sore about Trump losing that they'll strike and then 75 million people who voted for Trump won't be able to buy food either? Nice people.".Dec 16 18:28
DaemonFC[m]Oh, a lot of my family is either white trash or white trash with money.Dec 16 18:29
DaemonFC[m]Ranting and raving about immigrants while everyone they know is in court or prison every week about something.Dec 16 18:29
DaemonFC[m]But that's different. Dec 16 18:30
DaemonFC[m]There's no cost to the crime when it's a white citizen, you know?Dec 16 18:30
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DaemonFC[m]They might even get one of them there fair trials, or at least the closest thing to one our system still offers. :)Dec 16 18:30
DaemonFC[m]The jury taking a few hours to pretend there's something to deliberate.Dec 16 18:31
DaemonFC[m]Instructions from the judge to be ignored.Dec 16 18:31
DaemonFC[m]A defense attorney that isn't drunk in court.Dec 16 18:31
DaemonFC[m]All of these things can be yours if you're the right color!Dec 16 18:31
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Still stigmatized for being on psychiatric medicine. I still don't make any attempt to cover it up.Dec 16 18:34
DaemonFC[m]For some reason, people who are a lot more unhinged than I ever was off my meds think that there's nothing wrong with them because they don't take medication, even when it's obvious that they could use some. Hell, more than some.Dec 16 18:35
DaemonFC[m]I am lucid enough to realize what was/is happening to me. People tend to assume you aren't, that you don't understand. Dec 16 18:37
DaemonFC[m]I think that some people don't bother fighting it when they're going through an episode of disorganized thinking, delusions of being persecuted, paranoia, anxiety. Dec 16 18:38
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: After the Progressive Tax flopped in Illinois the governor found $711 million in the budget hat he can apparently just cut without new law.Dec 16 18:40
DaemonFC[m]Wouldn't you know it? Most people won't even notice.Dec 16 18:40
DaemonFC[m]He's going through the motions of making it sound like the world is about to end or something because they'll have to prioritize things like, who goes to prison.Dec 16 18:40
DaemonFC[m]How awful.Dec 16 18:40
DaemonFC[m]It'll just have to be down to the worst of the worst. Almost like prison is supposed to, hey wait a minute!Dec 16 18:41
DaemonFC[m]:)Dec 16 18:41
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: ● NEWS ● #TruthOut #crazy ☞ Stephen Miller: Trump Can Still Win With “Alternate” #ElectoralCollege Electors Dec 16 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stephen Miller: Trump Can Still Win With “Alternate” Electoral College ElectorsDec 16 18:46
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I saw a video of Trump "alternate electors" trying to deliver their fake votes to the Michigan statehouse.Dec 16 18:47
DaemonFC[m]Where they were told to leave.Dec 16 18:47
DaemonFC[m]Then they asked a police officer there to deliver the "votes" to the state Senate, and he refused.Dec 16 18:49
DaemonFC[m]This has really jumped the shark.Dec 16 18:49
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If a state submits multiple electors, Congress can disqualify them all or hold a vote on what to do about it, but no state has accepted any of these fake electors, nor submitted their fake votes.Dec 16 18:51
DaemonFC[m]There's also precisely zero chance that Mitch McConnell would have set himself up for a huge embarrassment by congratulating Joe Biden from the Senate floor if there was a possibility of this being reversed.Dec 16 18:55
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CrystalMathit can be reversed if there truly was election fraud and it gets proven conclusivelyDec 16 19:09
CrystalMathbut idk if that is the caseDec 16 19:10
CrystalMathi think there was election fraudDec 16 19:10
CrystalMathwhatever happens, voting by mail must be abolished, that's still my opinionDec 16 19:10
MinceR   ( )Dec 16 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Boss Makes Document Suggestions - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-09-01 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsDec 16 19:10
DaemonFC[m]Utah has been doing mail-only for years.Dec 16 19:10
DaemonFC[m]I think more states will go mail-only eventually.Dec 16 19:11
CrystalMath 16 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Julian Assange Has Formally Requested a Pardon From President Donald TrumpDec 16 19:11
MinceRthere was fraud but it failedDec 16 19:11
DaemonFC[m]Most states have been financially ruined by Trump's pandemic recession.Dec 16 19:11
MinceRget over itDec 16 19:11
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: i think that that's a disasterDec 16 19:11
DaemonFC[m]And they ought to be looking for ways to save every last penny before they hit a badly damaged economy with more taxes.Dec 16 19:11
CrystalMathstates have been financially ruined by their own lockdownsDec 16 19:12
CrystalMathTrump had nothing to do with it, and wasn't even asked about the pandemicDec 16 19:12
CrystalMathhe had no say in itDec 16 19:12
DaemonFC[m]They would have been worse off without it.Dec 16 19:12
DaemonFC[m]The virus would have decimated them and there'd be too many people sick at once to run the economy anyway.Dec 16 19:12
CrystalMathokay but don't call it "Trump's pandemic recession" if Trump had nothing to do with itDec 16 19:12
MinceRdoneDec 16 19:12
DaemonFC[m]People would still be terrified by what was going on and slow down spending and avoid going out too much.Dec 16 19:13
MinceRtrump had plenty to do with itDec 16 19:13
DaemonFC[m]So we'd have at least similar damage with or without the state saying what to do.Dec 16 19:13
CrystalMathTrump closed the borderDec 16 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Probably worse.Dec 16 19:13
CrystalMatheven that was too muchDec 16 19:13
MinceRtrump claimed the virus was a hoaxDec 16 19:13
DaemonFC[m]After he let the virus in, in bulk. Sure.Dec 16 19:13
CrystalMathwhen?Dec 16 19:13
MinceRhe claimed it will just go awayDec 16 19:13
CrystalMathyes he claimed it will go awayDec 16 19:13
CrystalMathit will, eventually :PDec 16 19:13
MinceRhe claimed hydroxychloroquine will just cure itDec 16 19:13
CrystalMathit was promisingDec 16 19:13
MinceRhe claimed injecting bleach will just cure itDec 16 19:13
DaemonFC[m]He brought in thousands of infected people and then waited for other countries to start not letting Americans in to claim he closed the border.Dec 16 19:13
DaemonFC[m]:)Dec 16 19:14
MinceRhe did everything he could to cripple the USA's management of the plagueDec 16 19:14
CrystalMathMinceR: no he never said thatDec 16 19:14
DaemonFC[m]It was actually Canada and Mexico who told us "STAY OUT!".Dec 16 19:14
DaemonFC[m]And then Trump hijacked that to make it look like he did something.Dec 16 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Even after Canada banned Americans from coming in, people started lying and saying they were driving to Alaska.Dec 16 19:15
CrystalMaththat's not Trump's faultDec 16 19:15
DaemonFC[m]Then the cops in Canada would find them on vacation in Canada hiking or something.Dec 16 19:15
CrystalMathat least 40% of the people of america don't believe covid is realDec 16 19:15
CrystalMathi'm quite sure that at least 60% actually believes it's not a big deal, real or notDec 16 19:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | All of the times President Trump said Covid-19 will disappearDec 16 19:17
CrystalMathhe never said when :PDec 16 19:17
CrystalMathpersonally i think it's great, what he was saying, becauseDec 16 19:17
MinceRif he believed it would take years, then his statements make even less sense in that contextDec 16 19:17
CrystalMathit's nice for someone to calm the people downDec 16 19:18
CrystalMaththe media just want everyone to be scared and depressedDec 16 19:18
MinceRyeah, because you wanted SARS-CoV-2 to kill as many uhmericans as possibleDec 16 19:18
CrystalMathnot reallyDec 16 19:18
MinceRand cheeto hitler helped that happenDec 16 19:18
CrystalMathi said that SARS-CoV-2 can't really be an instrument of depopulation because it doesn't kill enoughDec 16 19:19
CrystalMathand it can'tDec 16 19:19
MinceRsensible people wanted the people to reduce its R_effDec 16 19:20
MinceRtwitler riled up mobs to increase it insteadDec 16 19:21
CrystalMathincreasing it is also a way to end the pandemicDec 16 19:21
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CrystalMathonce the virus has infected everyone, it can't infect anyoneDec 16 19:21
MinceRyeah, exterminating the human species would also end the pandemicDec 16 19:21
MinceRwrong, it appears that it might be able to infect people who already had it beforeDec 16 19:22
CrystalMathit can't exterminate the human species, thoughDec 16 19:22
MinceRwrong againDec 16 19:22
CrystalMathnot immediately after, thoughDec 16 19:22
CrystalMathantibodies do formDec 16 19:22
MinceRnot only can it (apparently) reinfect people, it can also mutateDec 16 19:22
MinceRthe immune system might forget it in half a yearDec 16 19:22
CrystalMathif antibodies can't form, the infection wouldn't even endDec 16 19:22
CrystalMathbut again, i reiterate that it can't exterminate the human speciesDec 16 19:23
MinceRand while ratlickers do everything they can to spread every strain, it can keep mutating in themDec 16 19:23
CrystalMaththere is no wayDec 16 19:23
CrystalMaththat it could exterminate the human raceDec 16 19:23
MinceRah yes, the classic repeating tacticDec 16 19:23
CrystalMathit is correctDec 16 19:23
MinceRit worked for cheeto hitler so why wouldn't it work for you?Dec 16 19:23
CrystalMaththere is absolutely no conceivable scenario in which SARS-CoV-2 exterminates the human raceDec 16 19:24
MinceRthere at least twoDec 16 19:24
MinceR1: it keeps reinfecting people until it kills themDec 16 19:24
DaemonFC[m]Trump is a petty weak and indecisive guy on most things.Dec 16 19:24
DaemonFC[m]And that got a million Americans killed.Dec 16 19:24
DaemonFC[m]Before this is over, a million Americans.Dec 16 19:24
MinceR2: it mutates into something that has at least the same R_0 and R_eff but also is far more fatalDec 16 19:24
CrystalMath1) bullcrap - most reinfectees don't get a serious form of the disease, the death rate remains extremely lowDec 16 19:24
DaemonFC[m]Didn't have to be 1/10th that many.Dec 16 19:24
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: he did manage to appoint a bunch of lobbyists in charge of the areas they wanted to destroyDec 16 19:25
CrystalMath2) bullcrap - viruses that have such a high lethality would never spread as much; it's not in the interest of the virus to kill its hostDec 16 19:25
MinceRand a bunch of christian fundamentalist fascist supreme court justicesDec 16 19:25
MinceR2. go tell that to ebolaDec 16 19:25
CrystalMathebola spreads really poorlyDec 16 19:25
MinceRyeah, well, SARS-CoV-2 doesn'tDec 16 19:26
CrystalMaththat's because it's mostly safe and compatibleDec 16 19:26
CrystalMathwith human cellsDec 16 19:26
CrystalMaththere's only one virus that i know of that doesn't follow this rule, and that's rabiesDec 16 19:26
MinceRno, it's also because of how it spreadsDec 16 19:26
MinceRa mutant version of it could cause slight symptoms for a while, spread effectively, and then kill with a high death rateDec 16 19:27
CrystalMathrabies could exterminate the human race, in theory, if there was no vaccine for it and somehow it got into a lot of people in a lot of countries at onceDec 16 19:27
CrystalMathMinceR: that's a misunderstanding of how it worksDec 16 19:27
CrystalMathMinceR: most asymptomatic people don't spread it as effectivelyDec 16 19:27
CrystalMathas those with symptomsDec 16 19:28
MinceRslight symptoms != asymptomaticDec 16 19:28
vZS1>  and which bible is in federal code that all the us presidents swear in on?Dec 16 19:28
CrystalMathMinceR: how do you propose that it would cause sudden death later on?Dec 16 19:28
vZS1I think Obama used Lincoln's bibleDec 16 19:28
CrystalMathMinceR: can you name even one virus that does this?Dec 16 19:29
MinceRfor example, by spreading to other organs where it does more damageDec 16 19:29
CrystalMathMinceR: RNA viruses don't change their tropism generationally like DNA viruses doDec 16 19:29
CrystalMaththe first virion you get has the same tropism as the last one you eradicateDec 16 19:30
CrystalMaththe "spread to organs" you're referring to is an inflammation processDec 16 19:30
MinceRafaik SARS-CoV-2 already causes ACE2 to be upregulated in cells that didn't express it muchDec 16 19:30
CrystalMathwhich either goes awry, or doesn'tDec 16 19:30
CrystalMathfrom what we know, every coronavirus ever can cause it to go awryDec 16 19:30
CrystalMatheven Duvinacovirus (229E)Dec 16 19:31
MinceRno, i'm referring to a process where virions are produced in cells in one particular organ, spread to cells in other organs via the bloodstream, and affect the operation of those cellsDec 16 19:31
CrystalMathvirions are always produced in any ifnectionDec 16 19:32
CrystalMath*infectionDec 16 19:32
CrystalMathit doesn't mean that will end badlyDec 16 19:32
CrystalMathmost of the cell destruction we see with coronaviruses comes from catechin-mediated immune system responsesDec 16 19:33
CrystalMathconsidering the death rate is less than 1%, that antibodies can last up to 10 months (local research in my country showed this), that very serious cases are easy to detect (and thus dangerous mutations won't spread as much)Dec 16 19:35
CrystalMathi would say that there is no way that SARS-CoV-2 exterminates the entire human raceDec 16 19:35
CrystalMathbut i never would have thought that someone believes otherwiseDec 16 19:36
CrystalMathunless really brainwashed by the media.... i mean some people literally believe that millions of americans died of COVID-19Dec 16 19:36
MinceReveryone who disagrees with me about anything has obviously been brainwashed by the mediaDec 16 19:36
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CrystalMathi really don't think it's a controversial statement to say that SARS-CoV-2 can't exterminate the entire human raceDec 16 19:37
CrystalMathwe've seen many people totally immune to itDec 16 19:37
CrystalMathall you need is a thousand to repopulate the planet eventuallyDec 16 19:37
MinceRand those people are immortal and also totally immune to all potential mutations of itDec 16 19:38
CrystalMaththe plague couldn't do itDec 16 19:38
CrystalMathmeasles couldn't do itDec 16 19:38
MinceRso let's keep tryingDec 16 19:38
CrystalMathand they're way more dangerous than COVID-19Dec 16 19:38
CrystalMathall those colds never mutated into precisely some statistically highly improbable evil virus that spreads perfectly and kills absolutelyDec 16 19:39
MinceRalso, somebody go tell the uhmericans to calm the fuck down already, they had to reach 2000000 deaths from COVID-19 by 2020-12-16 and they're only at 312678, so they're now safe foreverDec 16 19:39
CrystalMathbecause those things don't happenDec 16 19:39
CrystalMatheven if they're not 100% impossibleDec 16 19:39
MinceRyes, nothing can ever possibly happen, until it happens anywayDec 16 19:39
CrystalMathit's more likely for every human to quantum tunnel into the center of the earthDec 16 19:39
MinceRfor example, the heat death of the universe can't ever happen because it hasn't happened yetDec 16 19:39
CrystalMaththat CAN happen too you knowDec 16 19:40
CrystalMathPANIC!Dec 16 19:40
CrystalMathevery day, every person has a 1:30000 odds of dyingDec 16 19:40
CrystalMaththat's way higher than either of those thingsDec 16 19:40
CrystalMathand you're still aliveDec 16 19:40
MinceRwell, if PANIC causes people to socially distance and otherwise mitigate the spread of infection, then yes, PANICDec 16 19:40
CrystalMathNODec 16 19:40
CrystalMathdon't panicDec 16 19:40
CrystalMathbe normal, accept risksDec 16 19:40
CrystalMathaccept that your life is a transient blip in the history of the universeDec 16 19:40
CrystalMathit _WILL_ endDec 16 19:41
*MinceR PANICs by calmly putting on a respirator and keeping a distance from random humansDec 16 19:41
CrystalMathyou will not survive, nor will i, nor will ANYONEDec 16 19:41
MinceRalso accept that life is an even more transient blip for your elderly loved onesDec 16 19:41
MinceRcough on them hourlyDec 16 19:41
MinceRnot doing so is PANICkingDec 16 19:41
CrystalMathyour elderly loved ones are gonna die, and no matter how many years that takes, it will always be too soon for youDec 16 19:41
CrystalMathbecause that's your biasDec 16 19:41
MinceRand it will always be my faultDec 16 19:42
CrystalMathno, it will never be anyone's fault.... well unless some intent to murder was present in someoneDec 16 19:42
MinceRalso, you're going to die someday so why not kill yourself right now? there's no difference.Dec 16 19:43
CrystalMathalso, what i said about the blipDec 16 19:43
CrystalMathis the entire life of someoneDec 16 19:43
MinceRother people are going to die someday so why not go and kill all of them right now? there's no difference.Dec 16 19:43
CrystalMathso old people have a larger blipDec 16 19:43
CrystalMathnot a shorter blipDec 16 19:43
CrystalMaththe shortest blips are dying childrenDec 16 19:43
CrystalMatha 90yo dying is a longer blipDec 16 19:44
CrystalMathbecause the total life was 90 yearsDec 16 19:44
CrystalMathbut 90 years is a short timeDec 16 19:44
MinceRold people dying of COVID-19 at the age of 65 are shorter blips than the same people dying at the age of 90Dec 16 19:44
CrystalMaththe chance of dying at 65 is way less than dying at 90Dec 16 19:45
MinceRoh, also, washing your hands is PANIC, so you'd better live in filth and show your virtueDec 16 19:45
MinceRnot if you do something about it!Dec 16 19:45
CrystalMathwell no, because... even if i somehow made the average lifespan shorterDec 16 19:45
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CrystalMaththat could only make the chance of dying at 90yo N/ADec 16 19:45
CrystalMathfor as long as it exists as a numberDec 16 19:46
CrystalMathit will be lower than 65Dec 16 19:46
CrystalMathbecause that's just how things work, people get worse and worse until they dieDec 16 19:46
CrystalMathyou can never make a 90yo healthier on average than a 65yoDec 16 19:46
CrystalMath(on average)Dec 16 19:46
MinceRif you kept killing everyone at their 65th birthday, that would indeed make people more likely to die at 65 years of age than at 90Dec 16 19:46
CrystalMathonly for a short time, as soon there would be no 90yos leftDec 16 19:47
CrystalMathand so the chance of death at 90yo would become N/ADec 16 19:47
MinceRthere would eventually be 0 people dying at 90, and >0 dying at 65Dec 16 19:48
MinceRand the probability of any particular person dying at 90 would become 0Dec 16 19:48
CrystalMathyes but there would be no survivors at 90Dec 16 19:49
CrystalMathso i would put that statistic as N/ADec 16 19:49
CrystalMathit's more accurateDec 16 19:49
MinceRdepends on how it's phrasedDec 16 19:49
CrystalMathright now there's no survivors at 200Dec 16 19:49
CrystalMathand no deaths at age 200Dec 16 19:49
CrystalMathdoes that mean that if you somehow live to be 150Dec 16 19:49
CrystalMathyou'll make it to 200 no problem?Dec 16 19:50
MinceRand the probability that i will be 200 years old when i die is also pretty damn close to 0Dec 16 19:50
MinceRit would be hard to predictDec 16 19:50
MinceRafter all, what would make me live to be 150?Dec 16 19:50
CrystalMathso you understand that you don't really have that much time leftDec 16 19:50
MinceRyes, and humanity in general is making serious efforts to make my remaining time both short and painfulDec 16 19:50
CrystalMathafter all, 100 years passes quicklyDec 16 19:51
CrystalMathso why do you want to live all that time, worrying about what will get you?Dec 16 19:51
CrystalMathwhy not be happy with what you do haveDec 16 19:51
CrystalMathmoderationDec 16 19:51
CrystalMath"i don't even need 50 years, just let me be happy and free"Dec 16 19:51
CrystalMathwhy don't we have more people thinking that way?Dec 16 19:52
MinceRi don'tDec 16 19:52
MinceRthough i'm unsureDec 16 19:52
MinceRmaybe things will indeed get better and it will be worth becoming immortalDec 16 19:52
CrystalMathi don't think the human brain is fit to be like thatDec 16 19:53
MinceRi'm pretty sure i don't want to have my lung capacity severely decreased and live with that for decades because some asshole thought it was "hip" and "cool" to spread pathogens, thoughDec 16 19:53
CrystalMathi think the people who think that it is think way too highly of themselvesDec 16 19:53
CrystalMathi used to wish to be a mind forever voyagingDec 16 19:53
CrystalMathuntil i realized what i really amDec 16 19:53
CrystalMathan animalDec 16 19:53
MinceRbut now you're perfect!Dec 16 19:53
MinceRand why couldn't the mind of an animal be forever voyaging?Dec 16 19:54
CrystalMathbecause it's pretty poor and limitedDec 16 19:54
CrystalMathit can't really think up that many thingsDec 16 19:54
CrystalMathit can't really understand more than some limitDec 16 19:54
MinceRsucks to be you, i guessDec 16 19:54
MinceRthough all of those things seem fixableDec 16 19:54
CrystalMaththere's a fixed amount of neuronsDec 16 19:55
CrystalMathand AI is currently far below itDec 16 19:55
CrystalMathseveral orders of magnitudeDec 16 19:55
CrystalMatheven for the deepest of DNNsDec 16 19:55
CrystalMathi think i'm just being realistic when i say that there's no way i deserve eternal lifeDec 16 19:56
CrystalMathnot self-hatingDec 16 19:56
CrystalMathi think i've just transcended human arroganceDec 16 19:56
MinceRwe could improve our minds with implants or by moving them to a better platformDec 16 19:56
CrystalMathwe still haven't managed to give blind people visionDec 16 19:56
CrystalMathproper visionDec 16 19:57
MinceRergo it is impossibleDec 16 19:57
CrystalMathno i just mean, it's science fictinDec 16 19:57
CrystalMath*fictionDec 16 19:57
CrystalMathand you have no idea how many problems will ariseDec 16 19:57
MinceRwhat does that mean?Dec 16 19:57
MinceRa different way to say "it is impossible"?Dec 16 19:57
CrystalMathit's not impossible but you have no idea what the consequences areDec 16 19:57
CrystalMathmaybe you wouldn't be you anymoreDec 16 19:57
MinceRif i thought i was limited and undeserving of immortality, would i want to be me forever?Dec 16 19:58
CrystalMathit's too far away to know the consequences and the exact method it would be achievedDec 16 19:58
CrystalMathknowing that you're limited and undeserving of immortality, and wanting to be you still, is called acceptanceDec 16 19:58
CrystalMaththat's what i have, i accept that i'm limited and undeserving of immortalityDec 16 19:59
MinceRah, so not improving yourself is called "acceptance"Dec 16 20:00
MinceR"why don't you learn anything anymore?" "acceptance."Dec 16 20:00
CrystalMathit's not that i don't learn anything aymoreDec 16 20:00
CrystalMathit's that i don't dream anymoreDec 16 20:00
DaemonFC[m]It's called religion.Dec 16 20:00
DaemonFC[m]Not improving yourself is called religion.Dec 16 20:00
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: i think most religions are again human arroganceDec 16 20:01
CrystalMaththat god is in the likeness of a human, that god wants to put good people in heaven, that's extremely blatant human arroganceDec 16 20:01
DaemonFC[m]You can live in ignorance and war on each other. Just gets you to heaven faster.Dec 16 20:01
CrystalMathscience fiction is more sophisticated human arroganceDec 16 20:01
CrystalMathnihilism is the absence of human arroganceDec 16 20:01
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DaemonFC[m]"Enough about the bible. We can save the science fiction reading for later." -George CarlinDec 16 20:02
MinceRthat's an insult to science fictionDec 16 20:02
DaemonFC[m]I could have told mom she wouldn't have liked him that time she made Gonad leave one of his performances. Dec 16 20:02
CrystalMaththe bible isn't as sophisticated as modern scifi :PDec 16 20:02
CrystalMathit's very blatantDec 16 20:02
MinceRscifi implies an element of scienceDec 16 20:02
MinceRthe bible has none of thatDec 16 20:02
CrystalMathit has elements of 5,000-year old scienceDec 16 20:02
CrystalMathlike the idea that sacrifices bring good luck, by some balance theoryDec 16 20:03
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, just like how 19th century science fiction is ridiculous when you read it today.Dec 16 20:03
MinceRit's just an extremely poorly written fable with tons of inconsistency that has been poorly edited by a bunch of people and then overrated by othersDec 16 20:03
CrystalMathpeople believed that as science, a long time agoDec 16 20:03
MinceRlike the idea that pi is equal to 3.0Dec 16 20:03
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yes, Fallout canon is less inconsistent than the bible.Dec 16 20:04
MinceRor the idea that the Earth is flat and has 4 cornersDec 16 20:04
DaemonFC[m]People should at least give it that.Dec 16 20:04
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: not much of an achievementDec 16 20:04
CrystalMatha long time ago it was scientific to believe that everything had an equal parallel opposite, and that the earth might be two attached spheres (only 3,000 years ago)Dec 16 20:04
MinceRor the idea that animals exist because they were created by some psychotic being and the first female human was created both before and after the first nonhuman animalDec 16 20:04
CrystalMathsome believed that alternatively it was flat but had two sides, or even flat with one sideDec 16 20:04
MinceRor 4 cubesDec 16 20:05
DaemonFC[m]The demise of the machines perk was a nice touch though.Dec 16 20:05
MinceRnature's harmonic simultaneous 4-day time cubeDec 16 20:06
DaemonFC[m]I guess someone was thinking about that scene in T3 where the T-800 grabbed the minigun off the T-1 and destroyed the other T-1 with it.Dec 16 20:06
CrystalMathi believe the earth is mostly spherical, but that it's acceptable to render it as an icosahedron for computing resource-sparing reasonsDec 16 20:06
DaemonFC[m]The sentry robots that patrol abandoned US Army bases in Fallout are very similar to the T-1 Terminator. Dec 16 20:06
DaemonFC[m]I'm not quite sure why the military would have the Protectron though. Those are a joke. Dec 16 20:07
CrystalMathsimilarly, pi = 3 is very good as you can compute it with just a shift and an addDec 16 20:07
CrystalMathbut pi = 4 is even better (just shift left by 2 bits)Dec 16 20:08
MinceRpi = 0 is even betterDec 16 20:08
DaemonFC[m]In fact, the Sentry Bots are pretty much a straight up rip off of the T-1, layout and everything, and they have an exposed combat sensor module that completely disorients them if you hit it.Dec 16 20:08
MinceRjust zero all the bitsDec 16 20:08
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DaemonFC[m]Which was a weakness of the Terminator from the T-1 to the T-600 in the Salvation timeline. Dec 16 20:08
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: does it detect any combats in progress? :>Dec 16 20:08
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: One thing I did enjoy in Fallout 4 was there was an advanced Sentry Bot prototype that was really damned hard to kill and you can reprogram it on a side quest and use it to clear bandits out of nearby areas.Dec 16 20:11
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DaemonFC[m]Heh, I was wondering what happened to Europe in the alt-world of Fallout. Seems it's only barely mentioned, but dissolved itself and fell into a civil war over resources before the bombs fell.Dec 16 21:04
DaemonFC[m]Most sci-fi timelines end up with the European Union falling apart.Dec 16 21:05
MinceRwith the EPP, you don't need sci-fi to expect the EU to fall apartDec 16 21:05
DaemonFC[m]Star Trek Deep Space Nine mentioned it in a 1993 episode covering the in-universe 2022.Dec 16 21:06
MinceR(or "conservatives" in general)Dec 16 21:06
DaemonFC[m]The EU destabilized due to severe economic problems and political turmoil in the 2020s.Dec 16 21:06
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: We finally have our first failed US state. And it's Illinois....Dec 16 21:07
MinceRi thought it was the federal oneDec 16 21:07
DaemonFC[m]Bailouts from the Fed, "shared sacrifice" budget cuts that are all going to land on the poor. Dec 16 21:07
DaemonFC[m]You notice how it's nothing that rich people need from the state that's going to be cut.Dec 16 21:08
DaemonFC[m]Even though the rich duped the people who will be hurt by the cuts into voting down the progressive tax.Dec 16 21:08
DaemonFC[m]The rich people need nothing from the state except police protection from their fan club when the unemployment fund bleeds out. And they'll get it.Dec 16 21:09
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Immigration sent me an email.Dec 16 21:24
schestowitzxhmmDec 16 21:24
DaemonFC[m]It says prepare for the interview, they'll send us a letter stating when to go.Dec 16 21:25
schestowitzexamDec 16 21:25
schestowitzoral examDec 16 21:25
schestowitz'interview'Dec 16 21:25
DaemonFC[m]It's to make sure you're really married and to pry into your personal life however they want to.Dec 16 21:34
DaemonFC[m]It wouldn't be the government if they didn't.Dec 16 21:35
DaemonFC[m]I suppose I shouldn't be nervous.Dec 16 21:43
DaemonFC[m]Thank god the federal courts threw out Trump's illegal policies on immigration.Dec 16 21:46
DaemonFC[m]At least there's a better chance of being given a fair consideration now.Dec 16 21:47
DaemonFC[m]Although why they're scheduling interviews in the middle of a cataclysmic resurgence of the Coronavirus....Dec 16 21:47
DaemonFC[m]That can't be good.Dec 16 21:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The collaborative work platform that’s multilingual, smart, and unified: Cisco WebexDec 16 22:13
schestowitz"When technology first began to appear in our workplaces decades ago, the ideology behind the applications had its origins in developing software for early UNIX mainframes: do one thing, and do it well."Dec 16 22:13
schestowitzAnd now they push malwareDec 16 22:13
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vZS1It was simple by necessityDec 16 22:25
vZS1And C was made to keep the OS portable; didn't have to constantly write architecture-specific assemblyDec 16 22:26
vZS1These companies don't know jack shit about the UNIX philosophyDec 16 22:26
vZS1The OS was the development environment itself. Self-supporting.Dec 16 22:27
vZS1So mainframes and UNIX are oxymoronsDec 16 22:27
vZS1This is what happens when you let PR people write about history.Dec 16 22:29
schestowitzNow we have one megapackage trying to do everythingDec 16 22:35
schestowitzand more and more over timeDec 16 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Windows Defender alerts that VLC's BitTorrent Streamer plugin is a Potentially Unwanted Application.Dec 16 22:37
schestowitzand it does not fluf Windows itself?Dec 16 22:38
schestowitzsurely unwanted Dec 16 22:39
schestowitzbut imposed by OEMsDec 16 22:39
MinceRthe oligarchy decided that you don't want something that could be used for filesharing.Dec 16 22:40
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schestowitzunless filtered and monitored by oligarchyDec 16 22:42
schestowitzso they can cancel and gag peopleDec 16 22:42
DaemonFC[m]The government wants to know everything.Dec 16 22:48
DaemonFC[m]Not because they're necessarily interested at the time, but because they might be later.Dec 16 22:48
DaemonFC[m]It's much more of a nuisance to have to stop and deal with individuals that they want to trump up charges against if they have to stop and figure out how to break into their specific setup.Dec 16 22:49
DaemonFC[m]And even if the charges are real, when we had a few honest judges, one of them said "It should be a defendant's absolute right to shut up and make the state prove each accusation with no reasonable room for doubt.".Dec 16 22:50
DaemonFC[m]But that's not what we have now.Dec 16 22:50
DaemonFC[m]It's incomprehensible that being compelled to give up a decryption passphrase is not being forced to incriminate and testify against yourself. Dec 16 22:51
DaemonFC[m]They didn't pass a new constitutional amendment. They just changed what the plain English meaning of protections from self-incrimination are to not apply to computer data.Dec 16 22:53
DaemonFC[m]They can't tell you to tell them what's in you head, but they can tell you to tell them how to gather evidence against you, but only if it's on computer storage.Dec 16 22:53
DaemonFC[m]And they'll absolutely never do anything worse than this. No sir.Dec 16 22:53
MinceRsee, the federal state has failedDec 16 22:55
MinceRit fails to uphold its own lawsDec 16 22:55
DaemonFC[m]It should be immediate impeachment for those judges.Dec 16 22:55
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, the only people who could are trying to pass SOPA and EARN IT.Dec 16 22:55
MinceRit fails to operate its institutions in a way that those institutions do not go diametrically against their own alleged functionsDec 16 22:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Company Pays Men More Than Women - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-09-04 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsDec 16 23:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GTK 4.0 – GTK Development BlogDec 16 23:39
schestowitzyupDec 16 23:39
schestowitzthe bot should be back soonDec 16 23:39
schestowitzthen we'll have news like this showing up  Dec 16 23:40
schestowitzreminds me to ask about ETADec 16 23:40
MinceRcan they outdo 3.x? (as in, making something that's even worse)Dec 16 23:40
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schestowitz<schestowitz> is the site still on track to be back later this week?Dec 16 23:40
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