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kingoffranceagree with vZS1    unix was also because multics supposedly had an opposite philosophy. that was the big mainframe one size fits all thing.    workplaces? unix was for programmers.   and depending who you read they bolted a word processor on to avoid getting canned IIRC.   oh we werent writing an os after you told us not to, secretly borrwing psychology depts computers because you took ours away and told us not to implement, juDec 17 00:02
kingoffrancest design.    we really were writing a word processor! for business!Dec 17 00:02
kingoffrancei guess, such things depend on who you readDec 17 00:02
kingoffrancebut funny how the business ppl steal itDec 17 00:02
kingoffrancethis was our ideaDec 17 00:03
kingoffranceno, your idea was multicsDec 17 00:03
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kingoffrancethats why bell said no more ideas pleaseDec 17 00:03
kingoffranceand took their computers awayDec 17 00:03
kingoffrancejust draw on the whiteboard Dec 17 00:04
kingoffrancesomething something they watned to port a game tooDec 17 00:05
kingoffrancewas bell in the video game market?Dec 17 00:06
kingoffrancewas there even a market?Dec 17 00:06
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kingoffrancei cant tell you how many schools offer troff classes as their teach office suite to pplDec 17 00:08
kingoffrancemainly because its fictionDec 17 00:08
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DaemonFC[m]I read about Dave Cutler at Microsoft, one of the people who designed Windows NT, "having a hatred of all things UNIX", but I never saw a source for that.Dec 17 00:20
kingoffranceim not knocking multics either, and ive heard conflicting stories, its just...Dec 17 00:27
kingoffrancei mean hey, if you want to define business world and decisions being made by programmersDec 17 00:27
kingoffranceim cool with thatDec 17 00:28
kingoffrancejust sounds like neverneverlandDec 17 00:28
kingoffranceliterally the programming in unix env. paper says its for programmers IIRCDec 17 00:28
kingoffrancethe pipeline thing i meanDec 17 00:28
kingoffrancewhich is the do one thing at a time thingDec 17 00:28
kingoffranceagain, someone had a more complex idea. they passed Dec 17 00:29
kingoffrance*define business world as decisionsDec 17 00:29
kingoffrancei can imagine at some point secretaries did word process with pipelines, so i will entertain the thought that was a thing at some point for some locationsDec 17 00:30
kingoffranceyou only have to look at any modern office suite to see if that is still the caseDec 17 00:31
kingoffranceon any osDec 17 00:31
kingoffranceim all for that, but i dont think thats what most ppl would call a normal workplace Dec 17 00:32
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kingoffrancesomeone linked a cpl article/paper in another channel ; the mainframe batch thing did have multiple streams beyond stdin/out/errDec 17 00:36
kingoffranceso clearly they broke with that, although surely differed across mainframe thingsDec 17 00:36
kingoffranceand c was arguably a slimmed down cpl was the point of that articleDec 17 00:36
kingoffrance   you can see many similaritiesDec 17 00:37
kingoffrancei dont thikn cpl was business necessarily, academia maybe the article seemed to hint, but nevertheless -- they appear to me to have broke with mainframe things Dec 17 00:38
kingoffrancejust like vZS1 says -- portability was not really a mainframe thing from everything ive ever heard.   you bought a machine with a service contract with os.   you didnt shop around for an osDec 17 00:39
kingoffrancemaybe if you were lucky they gave you a few choicesDec 17 00:40
kingoffrancepoint being: again, a slimmed down from the mainframe stuffDec 17 00:42
kingoffranceand from the dreams of academiaDec 17 00:42
kingoffranceim open to corrections if cpl was for a microcomputer or somethingDec 17 00:47
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XRevan86Can't wait for the Putin's press-conference.Dec 17 01:31
XRevan86There will be *a lot* of news after that.Dec 17 01:32
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vZS1UNIX was always meant to be for programmers. Every now and then the people supplying the cash in Bell Labs had to be placated with an "enterprise" program or two.Dec 17 07:41
vZS1Sun's UNIX work is definitely more along the business-minded programming. But not Bell Labs. The team at Bell Labs were mainly interested in having fun with a computer.Dec 17 07:42
vZS1Most people don't get UNIX because they fail to realise the OS is the development environment. You're supposed to hack things to meet your needs. GNU is definitely not UNIX because of this. Too much taboo around forking programs and trying out different ideas.Dec 17 07:46
vZS1Linux and BSD also have the same taboo around forkingDec 17 07:48
vZS1So now you have mostly "developers" that are illiterate about how a computer works. "Muh IDE!"Dec 17 07:50
vZS1GIAFAM are the next incarnation of the forking taboo. All the UNIX descendants are controlled by their interests, upstream.Dec 17 07:52
vZS1The bloat is one of the ways they control the ecosystem. You can do your computing with a lot less than standard packaging today.Dec 17 07:54
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vZS1The spyware travesty is also bad because most users are just targets for data farming and Ad targets.Dec 17 08:03
schestowitz 17 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The future for general-purpose computing []Dec 17 08:04
schestowitzis this the futureDec 17 08:04
schestowitzimperialistic control over what programs we can run on 'our' PCs?Dec 17 08:04
schestowitzI see some Moderna propaganda todatDec 17 08:06
schestowitzeven latched onto the "LINUX" brandDec 17 08:06
schestowitzthey say, in corporate media, that based on their secret data, it's "highly effective"Dec 17 08:06
schestowitzseems like marketing in 'news' clothing to nmeDec 17 08:06
schestowitzshowing a bunch of troops getting jabsDec 17 08:06
schestowitzand women of courseDec 17 08:06
schestowitz"support the troops"... buy from ModernaDec 17 08:07
schestowitzthis is getting ridiculousDec 17 08:07
vZS1This situation boils down to the trust the public places in the hands of companies like Apple.Dec 17 08:08
vZS1If you buy an Apple product you are already a lost cause.Dec 17 08:08
vZS1Lack of computing literacy is also an issueDec 17 08:11
vZS1Because people that have computing literacy are less likely to be dupedDec 17 08:11
vZS1Fig's article touching on computing literacy hit the nail on the headDec 17 08:12
vZS1People learning about computing only learn what GIAFAM want. It's designed to dumb people down, reduce competition, and market their ecosystemsDec 17 08:14
search_socialluckily humans are good at torching ecosystemsDec 17 08:25
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schestowitzvZS1: yesDec 17 08:39
schestowitzthe hope is, unrest and fatigue will help drive alternativesDec 17 08:39
schestowitzlike gnu and then linux grew out of disdain for the status quoDec 17 08:39
schestowitzvZS1: are the videos generally OK? I got limited feedback on thoseDec 17 08:41
schestowitzthey're spontaneous and not scripted, but at least they're very fast to make, it's the upload which takes the chunk of timeDec 17 08:42
psydroid<vZS1 "Linux and BSD also have the same"> The taboo around forking should go, as it should have happened a long time ago in multiple directionsDec 17 09:06
schestowitzthe kernel?Dec 17 09:07
schestowitzor in general?Dec 17 09:07
psydroidin general, I would sayDec 17 09:08
schestowitzforks do need a good reasonDec 17 09:16
schestowitzotherwise they perishDec 17 09:17
schestowitzthey never get off the groundDec 17 09:17
schestowitztake glimpse for exampleDec 17 09:17
schestowitzforking gimp or something... because of the name gimpDec 17 09:17
schestowitzgimp is an acronymDec 17 09:17
schestowitzI know the guy behind itDec 17 09:17
schestowitzbobby moss, used to be at bt and some linux mag (forgot which one, maybe linux format)Dec 17 09:17
schestowitzI mean, do you really think people will flock to gimp just because the word (acronym) gimp offends them?Dec 17 09:18
schestowitzif he said, OK, let's make a qt-based fork.Dec 17 09:18
schestowitzthen fineDec 17 09:18
schestowitzbut still, it's a massive jobDec 17 09:18
schestowitzbecause gimp is vastDec 17 09:18
schestowitzlinux is also too big to forkDec 17 09:19
schestowitztoo many changes, from too many peopleDec 17 09:19
schestowitzyou can at best branch it with automation/scripts like oliva doesDec 17 09:19
schestowitzLatest pfizer: if you got our vaccine and still died, blame storage temperature. Ad hoc clinical trials. We're still finding out about allergies, other issues... on the go. You do NOT develop vaccination in MONTHS.Dec 17 09:22
psydroidbut all of that doesn't mean that forking is a bad thing per seDec 17 09:23
psydroiduseless and unviable forks will wither away, as they shouldDec 17 09:24
schestowitzthat can split and duplicate effortDec 17 09:24
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psydroidthat's the standard reasoning against forking, but what I see with GNU/Linux in particular is that it has allowed and perhaps even enabled a number of big tech corporations to take total control over the development processDec 17 09:27
schestowitzbut waitDec 17 09:29
schestowitzlet's be clear what we're talking aboutDec 17 09:29
schestowitzgnu, linux, something else?Dec 17 09:29
schestowitzkwin was recently forkedDec 17 09:30
schestowitzand there was apparently no good reason for itDec 17 09:30
schestowitzMartin did not even develop in parallelDec 17 09:30
schestowitzso it could instead just be continuedDec 17 09:30
schestowitzsimilar to openoffice except trademark aspectDec 17 09:30
psydroidI think forking was mentioned in the context of GNU/Linux and BSD in particular, but maybe I'm mistaken about thatDec 17 09:33
schestowitzbsd has forksDec 17 09:35
schestowitzthat's why so many bsds existDec 17 09:35
schestowitzand because of the licence there are even more out there that you cannot seeDec 17 09:35
psydroidI don't see that as a bad thing, thoughDec 17 09:38
psydroidmultiple operating systems under GPL borrowing code from each other would amount to something similarDec 17 09:40
Ariadne 17 10:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Pros and Cons of Open-source Tools - THWACKDec 17 10:09
Ariadneusing open source is like using a dirty forkDec 17 10:09
Ariadneaccording to solarwindsDec 17 10:09
Ariadnei would like to know what using solarwinds orion is like then Dec 17 10:10
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schestowitz 17 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google is Going After What’s Left of Microsoft’s Dominance: MalwareOS or the Installed Base of Windows | TechrightsDec 17 10:22
schestowitzmay be lots of typos stillDec 17 10:22
vZS1> vZS1: are the videos generally OK? I got limited feedback on thoseDec 17 10:25
vZS1I have only watched the one on and I enjoyed it. I'll watch more this evening. I think it's okay to make short unscripted stuff. It keeps the ball rolling for that format of information for people that prefer videos.Dec 17 10:26
vZS1Any fork is legitimate. I have forked many things where I'm the only user of the fork. Sometimes I send patches upstream if I think the project would be interested.Dec 17 10:28
vZS1People should hack software to meet their own needs. Dec 17 10:30
Techrights-secPutting ChromeOS on old notebooks is a way of preventing general-purposeDec 17 10:33
Techrights-seccomputer operating systems like GNU/Linux or *BSD from landing on them.Dec 17 10:33
Techrights-secBot hM$ and Google and Apple want to prevent that and all of them Dec 17 10:33
Techrights-secdepend on preventing that.Dec 17 10:33
Techrights-secIsn't ChromeOS based remotely on Gentoo or something?Dec 17 10:33
vZS1A fork doesn't need more than 1 user to be successful. This anti-fork mentality is a big reason why we ended up with the monopolies of todayDec 17 10:35
scientesfork-knife-spoonDec 17 10:36
scientesTechrights-sec, that is not what it is aboutDec 17 10:36
scientesas evidenced by chromebooks not being available in Peru and other countries that cannot afford windows laptopsDec 17 10:37
scientesTechrights-sec, strategically it was just a windows destabilization moveDec 17 10:38
vZS1You can only change one line of code for it to be a legitimate forkDec 17 10:38
vZS1There's so many toxic myths around forkingDec 17 10:38
scientesgit was created for forksDec 17 10:39
scientesand linux is about forkingDec 17 10:39
vZS1You don't even need to know the whole codebase to fork somethingDec 17 10:39
scientesduhDec 17 10:39
vZS1You just work on the bits that are relevant to youDec 17 10:39
scientesI suspect you haven't written anythingDec 17 10:39
vZS1It doesn't matter what the software is nor it's size.Dec 17 10:42
vZS1s/it's/itsDec 17 10:42
vZS1When there are a lot of forks, it means there are a lot of people that know how something works. This is ultimately why forking is demonised.Dec 17 10:43
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vZS1The people in control don't like competition. Dec 17 10:46
vZS1They can't implement their tactics that rely on monopoly and hegemony over an ecosystemDec 17 10:48
vZS1When there are loads of forks floating aroundDec 17 10:48
vZS1More importantly, when there are many people around capable of forking somethingDec 17 10:50
search_socialguess soDec 17 10:55
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Techrights-sec 17 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The contemporary relevance of Ludwig van Beethoven on the 250th anniversary of his birth - World Socialist Web SiteDec 17 12:11
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AVRSHi. 17 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft и МТС придумали, как добиться «отзывчивости» умных устройств без 5G - CNewsDec 17 12:40
AVRSMicrosoft and Russian telco MTS join their IoT forces.Dec 17 12:40
schestowitzI thought they chose CanonicalDec 17 12:57
schestowitz 17 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Russia Uses Microsoft to Suppress Dissent - The New York TimesDec 17 12:57
AVRSMTS already runs Azure Stack (software) on its serversDec 17 13:03
AVRSsince 2017, according to that articleDec 17 13:04
schestowitzso mindless PR stunt?Dec 17 13:15
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zoobabanyone at the virtual EPO conference on swpats/AI?Dec 17 13:38
zoobabno more loginDec 17 13:38
zoobab 17 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - The role of patents in an AI driven worldDec 17 13:38
zoobablike last timeDec 17 13:38
AVRSschestowitz: what exactly do you mean?Dec 17 13:38
AVRSMTS is one of the about four largest cellular operators.Dec 17 13:39
zoobabtried to register, it is too late, becauseDec 17 13:39
MinceR17 084253 < vZS1> Sun's UNIX work is definitely more along the business-minded programming.Dec 17 13:39
MinceRmaybe that's why it sucks so hardDec 17 13:39
zoobabthey advertise it the same datDec 17 13:39
zoobabdayDec 17 13:39
MinceR> GNU is definitely not UNIX because of this.Dec 17 13:40
MinceRno, it's not Unix because the code in it has a different originDec 17 13:40
MinceRin the good old days we had so much invention (and forking) going on in the GNU/Linux communityDec 17 13:40
zoobablivestream at 3PM here:Dec 17 13:48
zoobab 17 13:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - BroadcastDec 17 13:48
MinceR   ( )Dec 17 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cause Of Unhappiness - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-09-10 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsDec 17 13:51
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AVRSWho started "Linux/GNOME/X11"?Dec 17 14:04
schestowitzmankindDec 17 14:04
AVRSNah, the phrase.Dec 17 14:04
AVRSExample: 17 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 1675766 - Ship Linux WebRender MVP to releaseDec 17 14:05
AVRSI think I've also seen it in some blog recently, title something like "Linux is not a platform", but it's not 17 14:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LWDW 200: Linux Is Not A Platform – LinuxGameCastDec 17 14:06
schestowitzLinux is an OS kernelDec 17 14:07
schestowitza very extensive one, lots of driversDec 17 14:07
schestowitzmany hardware bits supportedDec 17 14:07
schestowitzthe rest does not matterDec 17 14:07
schestowitz"OS"Dec 17 14:07
schestowitz"platform"Dec 17 14:07
schestowitzthose are English terms and technical termsDec 17 14:07
schestowitzbut then you can talk about what constitutes a synonym of kernelDec 17 14:07
schestowitzGNU is a collection is many programsDec 17 14:07
AVRSIt looks like a replacement for "GNU/Linux/X11"Dec 17 14:07
schestowitzX11 does lots of graphics interfacesDec 17 14:08
schestowitzGNU is an early oneDec 17 14:08
schestowitz1983Dec 17 14:08
schestowitzis x11 still mit licence 100%?Dec 17 14:08
schestowitz 17 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Keith Packard: Richard Stallman Was Right (About the GPL) | TechrightsDec 17 14:09
schestowitzrianne is trying to find my old external webcamsDec 17 14:09
MinceR(audio:important) 17 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why are British place names so hard to pronounce? - YouTubeDec 17 14:09
schestowitzwe might use that for some videos... I have not used it for over 8 yearsDec 17 14:09
schestowitzMinceR: usually Welsh placesDec 17 14:09
MinceRnot reallyDec 17 14:10
schestowitzbecause they're not read like they're written by our measure of "English"Dec 17 14:10
MinceRthey seem to be more regular than this -cester, -w- and similar bullshit :>Dec 17 14:10
schestowitzit is kind of bullshittyDec 17 14:10
schestowitzif you're not from here or there, you have to memorise these to not look or sound foolishDec 17 14:11
schestowitznever mind accentsDec 17 14:11
zoobab 17 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The role of patents in an AI driven world - DAY 1 - YouTubeDec 17 14:13
zoobabCampinos liveDec 17 14:13
zoobabneed to fetch kidsDec 17 14:13
zoobabtried to dl with youtube-dl, failedDec 17 14:13
schestowitzis it just another one of those "HEY HI is great" events?Dec 17 14:14
schestowitznot even an eventDec 17 14:14
schestowitzsome f*ers on a computerDec 17 14:14
zoobabAIDec 17 14:14
schestowitztalking to cameras...Dec 17 14:14
schestowitzand they mean swpatsDec 17 14:14
schestowitzsurelyDec 17 14:14
zoobaball overDec 17 14:14
schestowitzis there a web page for this? Or did they just "tweet" about it?Dec 17 14:14
zoobabtweetDec 17 14:14
schestowitzto "impress" the AC this week?Dec 17 14:15
zoobabread my last tweetsDec 17 14:15
schestowitzI won'tDec 17 14:15
schestowitzyou need to post outside twitterDec 17 14:15
schestowitztwitter is another Fb nowDec 17 14:15
zoobab 17 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - The role of patents in an AI driven worldDec 17 14:15
zoobab 17 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - BroadcastDec 17 14:15
schestowitzthis morning it officially stopped working without JSDec 17 14:15
schestowitzTwitter today is no longer accessible without proprietary spywareDec 17 14:16
zoobab 17 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - ProgrammeDec 17 14:16
zoobabtime for fuckerDec 17 14:16
zoobabmirror Twitter to newsgroupsDec 17 14:16
schestowitzif you capture video...Dec 17 14:18
schestowitzI will play it back and do a video rbuttalDec 17 14:18
schestowitzI'm checking if I can find my very old webcamDec 17 14:18
zoobabepo said it will be online afterwardsDec 17 14:19
schestowitzah, youtube I guessDec 17 14:19
schestowitzso I can use it from thereDec 17 14:19
schestowitzplease post the tweets hereDec 17 14:19
schestowitzregarding this issueDec 17 14:19
schestowitzinstead of that siteDec 17 14:19
schestowitzthis way they're mirrored in logs alsoDec 17 14:20
schestowitzI wait for to come back online along with pleroma.frDec 17 14:20
schestowitzwe lost the bot due to that downtimeDec 17 14:20
schestowitzzoobab: I will do a quick blog post about itDec 17 14:28
schestowitztry to capture the video of campinos in case they don't make it available afterwardsDec 17 14:28
smnthermes> ‎[11:06:29] ‎AVRS‎: I think I've also seen it in some blog recently, title something like "Linux is not a platform"Dec 17 14:34
smnthermes 17 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | There is no “Linux” Platform (Part 1) – Space and MeaningDec 17 14:34
smnthermesThis?Dec 17 14:34
schestowitzzoobab: spotting any typos? 17 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO is Promoting Software Patents This Week, Seeking to Impress the Administrative Council With Illegal Patents | TechrightsDec 17 14:36
schestowitz(or anyone else reading it?)Dec 17 14:36
vZS1> (which is now opposes)Dec 17 14:36
vZS1s/is/itDec 17 14:36
vZS1schestowitz: ^Dec 17 14:36
vZS1From "Software Freedom is an Endless Cause"Dec 17 14:37
schestowitzwhere?Dec 17 14:37
schestowitzahDec 17 14:37
schestowitzthanksDec 17 14:37
schestowitzI did a video about the security FUD just nowDec 17 14:37
schestowitzstill uploadingDec 17 14:37
schestowitzone take, mo scriptDec 17 14:37
schestowitztypo fixedDec 17 14:37
schestowitzsee the EPO oneDec 17 14:38
schestowitzI'm sure there are typos, I have  not proofread it yet, doing 3 things at onceDec 17 14:38
vZS1I'll take a look this eveningDec 17 14:39
schestowitztyDec 17 14:42
schestowitzit'll be up shortlyDec 17 14:42
schestowitzthose videos are not served wellDec 17 14:52
schestowitzthe server isn't a media serverDec 17 14:52
schestowitzat 700mb a minutes or more it's causing streams to bufferDec 17 14:52
schestowitzvZS1: 17 14:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Video: The FUD of the Month About GNU/Linux, Seeded by ZDNet and Similarly Awful Sites | TechrightsDec 17 14:54
AVRSschestowitz: yes. It doesn't say "Linux/GNOME/X11", so maybe I only found that article when trying to find other occurrences of that name.Dec 17 14:55
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AVRSschestowitz: IPFS: 17 14:58
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AVRShm, 77 MBDec 17 14:58
AVRSschestowitz: is that the size of the video?Dec 17 14:58
AVRSIgnore that, I misunderstood the "700mb"Dec 17 15:06
zoobabCampinos: "the Code challenge"Dec 17 15:10
zoobaban insult to the professionDec 17 15:10
zoobabmore spam for software developmentDec 17 15:16
zoobab20% of European countries at the EPODec 17 15:17
zoobabso Dec 17 15:17
zoobab80% of patents in this field are non-EuropeanDec 17 15:17
zoobabLOLDec 17 15:17
zoobabafter thatDec 17 15:17
zoobabthey will say it's good for EuropeDec 17 15:17
zoobabexpert in "open source software"Dec 17 15:21
AVRSWhat was it about GNOME Foundation letting a volunteer make GNOME Annual Report 2018 (<>), then she made it on Windows, and was "doxed" and sent nasty messages for a week after it was found out?Dec 17 15:22
AVRSHere a GNOME person say it: 17 15:23
AVRSsDec 17 15:23
MinceR(cat) (audio:unimportant) 17 15:25
AVRSAnd one of the critics there says she'd been sent death threats once before.Dec 17 15:26
AVRSWhere is that from at all?Dec 17 15:32
vZS1schestowitz: I watched the vid on ZDNet. Cracked me up. LolDec 17 15:35
schestowitzcoolDec 17 15:35
schestowitzI didn't script itDec 17 15:35
schestowitzjust opened up the pages and started rollingDec 17 15:35
schestowitzI've just found my old webcam... minutes agoDec 17 15:36
schestowitzafter 2 hours of searching the houseDec 17 15:36
schestowitzwife and I tried to find it, looked in the wrong placeDec 17 15:36
schestowitzso future vids I can do with better qualityDec 17 15:36
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AVRSschestowitz: Is that worm a caterpillar?Dec 17 15:39
schestowitzlooks like itDec 17 15:39
zoobab 17 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - ProgrammeDec 17 15:39
schestowitz[06:55] <vZS1> Link them plsDec 17 15:39
schestowitz[06:56] <schestowitz> along the lines of 17 15:39
schestowitz[06:56] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- | ZDNet Calls Windows Ransomware “Linux” to Keep Pages About Linux Full of Fear-Mongering Nonsense | TechrightsDec 17 15:39
schestowitz[06:56] <schestowitz> first pattern: 17 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ZDNet Calls Windows Ransomware “Linux” to Keep Pages About Linux Full of Fear-Mongering Nonsense | TechrightsDec 17 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gitpaste-12 Worm Widens Set of Exploits in New Attacks | ThreatpostDec 17 15:39
schestowitz[06:56] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Gitpaste-12 Worm Widens Set of Exploits in New Attacks | ThreatpostDec 17 15:39
vZS1schestowitz: I'm going to read all that on Saturday.Dec 17 15:41
zoobab"Paul is an expert in data licensing and open-source software."Dec 17 15:41
vZS1Got it in my calendar alreadyDec 17 15:42
zoobabRachel FreeDec 17 15:50
zoobab 17 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Rachel | Partner | Intellectual Property | TMIC | CMS UK | International Law Firm CMSDec 17 15:51
zoobab"Rachel is a UK and European patent attorney with an MSc in Artificial Intelligence and a DPhil in vision science. She helps clients protect their technology through patents in a wide variety of fields, including AI, software, construction, infrastructure and telecommunications. She also provides training and advice regarding AI ethics and AI regulation."Dec 17 15:51
schestowitzlolDec 17 15:55
schestowitzHEY HIDec 17 15:55
MinceR 17 15:58
zoobabthey have this robot DataDec 17 16:01
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scientesMinceR, was it founded by Forrest Gump?Dec 17 16:08
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Dec 17 16:09
zoobabAI generated patents will be sentenced by jail timeDec 17 16:12
zoobabI was toldDec 17 16:12
zoobabthat would be fun to go to jailDec 17 16:13
zoobabLet's write an AI patent generator over the weekendDec 17 16:13
MinceRwill it just pick a random existing patent and append "but on a computer" to the title?Dec 17 16:14
MinceRor "but with a computer"Dec 17 16:14
scienteszoobab, you really don't have to mock themDec 17 16:14
zoobabit only helps the floodDec 17 16:14
zoobabtrolls do the job anywayDec 17 16:14
zoobabif we loose that fight, we should turn into a giant patent trollDec 17 16:15
zoobaband shut down those large companiesDec 17 16:15
zoobabthat way competition is restoredDec 17 16:15
zoobab 17 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EU’s Digital Markets Act: There Is A Lot To Like, but Room for Improvement | Electronic Frontier FoundationDec 17 16:17
zoobab"Let a thousand app stores bloom" <- my assDec 17 16:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Breaking the 5G Curve by Looking Beyond the U.S. Patent SystemDec 17 16:49
zoobab80K patents on 5GDec 17 16:49
zoobabWTHDec 17 16:49
XRevan86As expected, lots of news after the Putin's press conference.Dec 17 16:49
XRevan86 17 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEDec 17 16:50
XRevan861. admits spying on Navalny; 2. denies poisoning on the grounds of him still being alive.Dec 17 16:53
XRevan86Great stuff, exactly as expected. The bit that FSB coordinated with chemical laboratories while following Navalny was ignored completely.Dec 17 16:54
DaemonFC[m]Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is filing an antitrust lawsuit against Google and while he's not wrong on the points, he pretty much trashed his credibility with Texas v. Pennsylvania.Dec 17 16:54
DaemonFC[m]He's filing it in state courts where he probably has more influence, but it can be appealed out into the federal system and Google can even request that the judge handling the federal case merge it with the existing federal lawsuit to only have to deal with one case.Dec 17 16:55
DaemonFC[m]Then Apple did something right for once and introduced a permission that is opt out by default for targeted ads in apps in iOS 14.Dec 17 16:57
schestowitzzoobab: I've just made a video about this EPO eventDec 17 16:58
schestowitzzoobab: I am uploading it right nowDec 17 16:58
schestowitz110 MBDec 17 16:58
DaemonFC[m]Facebook filed an antitrust suit against Apple, claiming that it will hurt small business, and they can "self regulate" and they're also filing motions on behalf of Epic Games over Fortnite because it's free brownie points, and once they knock over Apple's embargo on no third party payments, Facebook won't have to pay them royalties on microtransactions either.Dec 17 16:58
DaemonFC[m] 17 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads - The VergeDec 17 16:58
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft has controls in Windows 10 for whether apps can access your "advertising ID" or not, but like all of the privacy violation knobs, they say Windows will work better if you leave it on.Dec 17 17:00
DaemonFC[m]The keylogger knob, inking and typing personalization, can be turned off and all that happens is Windows uses a local spelling check dictionary instead.Dec 17 17:00
DaemonFC[m]They mention in Edge that while Bing InPrivate search doesn't track you in InPrivate mode if it's the default search engine, that inking and typing personalization in Windows would send them your data from such a session anyway, if it is turned on.Dec 17 17:01
CrystalMathschestowitz: i'm watching your videoDec 17 17:01
CrystalMathBleeping Computer was some company that created tutorials on how to do things with computersDec 17 17:02
CrystalMathand other stuffDec 17 17:02
CrystalMaththat's the people that are now in ZDNetDec 17 17:02
CrystalMathi think Bleeping Computer also wanted to do tech newsDec 17 17:02
CrystalMaththey're very microsoft-focusedDec 17 17:02
DaemonFC[m]So the InPrivate mode would be an even better tool to spy because you are likely to filter yourself less if you think it's private, and then inking and typing personalization sends them all the stuff anyway.Dec 17 17:02
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DaemonFC[m]My guess is that they tell the truth about Bing InPrivate and rely on most users having left personalization on so it sends them the data from another source.Dec 17 17:03
DaemonFC[m]Then I caught Windows telling them the apps I was using despite basic telemetry, and all they let you do is wipe your history manually.Dec 17 17:04
DaemonFC[m]It only seems to make note of signed apps.Dec 17 17:07
DaemonFC[m]Because Fallout New Vegas was in there and signed by GoG, but Qbitttorrent and PeaZip were not Dec 17 17:07
zoobabfull video now:Dec 17 17:12
zoobab 17 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The role of patents in an AI driven world - DAY 1 - YouTubeDec 17 17:12
schestowitzcheersDec 17 17:13
schestowitzI will add the refDec 17 17:13
schestowitzCrystalMath: pro-Microsoft, tooDec 17 17:14
schestowitzthe names suggest it's balkan-basedDec 17 17:14
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schestowitz(not that I am criticising that)Dec 17 17:14
schestowitz(they have many Microsoft drones in places like Romania)Dec 17 17:14
CrystalMathwell it was founded by Lawrence AbramsDec 17 17:15
CrystalMathback in 2004Dec 17 17:15
CrystalMaththey certainly have a presence here, butDec 17 17:16
CrystalMathi think the headquarters are in the UKDec 17 17:16
schestowitzmany things areDec 17 17:16
schestowitzeven if it's merely a registrationDec 17 17:17
schestowitzwith a shared officeDec 17 17:17
CrystalMathPCWorld magazine liked to link to themDec 17 17:17
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CrystalMathback in the 2000sDec 17 17:18
schestowitzit's crap nowDec 17 17:20
schestowitzand apparently brain-drained if they ever had brainsDec 17 17:20
schestowitznow it's clickbait artistsDec 17 17:20
schestowitzzoobab: 17 17:21
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schestowitzI will have the video up shortly, it's still uploadingDec 17 17:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO is Promoting Software Patents This Week, Seeking to Impress the Administrative Council With Illegal Patents | TechrightsDec 17 17:22
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DaemonFC[m]I think that if they got rid of all of the obnoxious advertising, then people wouldn't be so aggravated about Windows 10.Dec 17 18:09
DaemonFC[m]But out of the box it's nearly as bad as all the junk and trialware Microsoft claimed they wanted rid of. What they meant was to make more room for their own.Dec 17 18:10
scientesyou ever get tired of being tired?Dec 17 18:11
DaemonFC[m]Why are they preloading desktop applications for Office anyway if they say that it's frozen in time and not to use that and to sign up to give them a constant trickle of blood?Dec 17 18:11
scientesI know I doDec 17 18:11
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DaemonFC[m]Functionally, the desktop versions aren't clearly much better than the online version is anyway, because they have it priced out such that if you register 2019 then you pay them as much as five years of subscribing to 365.Dec 17 18:12
DaemonFC[m]I think that there's more room for Free Software to hit Microsoft where it hurts on Office than there is on Windows.Dec 17 18:13
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 17 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ US had 3,538 #covid19 deaths yesterday and the person who downplayed it wants to implement a #coup Dec 17 18:16
DaemonFC[m]Yes, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.Dec 17 18:17
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DaemonFC[m]And it's certainly no coincidence that the federal government wasn't allowed to admit that until Trump lost the election and then tried to de-legitimize democracy while he compiles a list of criminals to pardon (probably including himself and his whole family) on the way out the door.Dec 17 18:18
DaemonFC[m]My take is that the theory he'd resign and have Pence do it is ridiculous because Trump is so paranoid at this point that everyone in his circle is trying to shove a knife in his back, especially if that really means refusing to openly break the law and/or do things for him when there's no guarantee he'll save their skins on the way out after the deeds are done.Dec 17 18:19
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: many superspreaders round the xmas dinner tableDec 17 18:20
schestowitzI heard a TV show about it yesterdayDec 17 18:20
schestowitzat the barber shopDec 17 18:20
DaemonFC[m]And he's probably right. It would be a less risky bet to pardon himself on the last day and then take his chances arguing that the Nixon memo is wrong and the president can absolutely pardon anyone for any crime that has already happened.Dec 17 18:20
schestowitzit's really that bad, 4 hours with many people, food, aerosols Dec 17 18:20
DaemonFC[m]The only limit the Supreme Court has ever put on the pardon is that the president can't pardon ongoing and future crimes. Dec 17 18:21
schestowitzwhoadDec 17 18:21
schestowitz61,569Dec 17 18:21
schestowitzin CALIFORNIADec 17 18:21
schestowitzjust yesterdayDec 17 18:21
DaemonFC[m]Bill Clinton tried to get his brother Roger out of the mess of his past with a clean slate before he left office, and then Roger wasted it and started getting in hot water again almost right away.Dec 17 18:22
schestowitzwhoaDec 17 18:22
DaemonFC[m]Trump can pardon certain people for the shady things they've already done, at the federal level, if he wants.Dec 17 18:23
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DaemonFC[m]But even if his argument holds up in federal court, it doesn't save anyone, including him, from the court system in the states.Dec 17 18:23
DaemonFC[m]And New York did not repeal that law that didn't let them go after people who had federal pardons for no reason, you know.Dec 17 18:23
schestowitzzoobab: 17 18:24
DaemonFC[m]They know he was likely to pardon himself, so they got out ahead of it and repealed the law so that they can prosecute him after he leaves, even if he pardons himself.Dec 17 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Video: What the European Patent Office Means by AI and 4IR (a Plot to Advance Illegal Software Patents) | TechrightsDec 17 18:24
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schestowitztook over an hour just to uploadDec 17 18:24
schestowitzless than 10 minutes to doDec 17 18:24
DaemonFC[m]There's going to be a major criminal trial for Trump in a Manhattan court room.Dec 17 18:24
DaemonFC[m]If the prosecutor wants to hedge their bets, they can just keep filing one charge at a time until a jury convicts him of something.Dec 17 18:25
DaemonFC[m]He's old and in bad health.Dec 17 18:25
DaemonFC[m]If he gets sentenced for even 10% of what he's done he may never get out of prison.Dec 17 18:26
DaemonFC[m]I do agree with their decision to limit the size of the stimulus checks and who they can go to.Dec 17 18:27
DaemonFC[m]Frittering away money on people who are well to do and who have not lost their jobs leaves less money in the pot to try to shore up unemployment benefits. Dec 17 18:27
DaemonFC[m]MARISOL and her "dick in a jar on her shelf" husband, Mark, were grousing that they didn't get the checks the last time.Dec 17 18:28
DaemonFC[m]As if it was anyone else's fault that they make almost $350,000 a year and still have major lawsuits against them from credit cards and the mortgage people. Dec 17 18:28
MinceR 17 18:28
DaemonFC[m]35% unemployed an those rich fraudsters are angry that they didn't get one car repair bill for the Beemer covered by Uncle Sam.Dec 17 18:29
DaemonFC[m]Totally shameless.Dec 17 18:29
schestowitzzoobab: it names youDec 17 18:29
DaemonFC[m]Smart people realize that when it's costing you a third of what the car was when it was new to drive the car for a year, you get rid of it, for whatever you can get.Dec 17 18:30
DaemonFC[m]They don't go around pleading poverty when they should have lots of money in the bank.Dec 17 18:30
DaemonFC[m]It's not so easy to get out of your obligations when you would have to go tell a bankruptcy court you make $3.5 million over a ten year period and chose to pay for something other than the mortgage.Dec 17 18:31
DaemonFC[m]Nor should it be.Dec 17 18:31
DaemonFC[m]That was a lot of the point behind the 2005 bankruptcy law. You had a lot of people who were hardly poor buying boats and maxing out the cards because it's never enough and then getting it all discharged every 7 years.Dec 17 18:32
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Not really sure why folks were complaining that they didn't get a $1,200 check when they were doing more than fine.Dec 17 18:34
DaemonFC[m]Better than ever.Dec 17 18:34
DaemonFC[m]Working from home bouncing emails around while everyone else lost their job or had to go in and be exposed to COVID to do real work.Dec 17 18:34
DaemonFC[m]If that's not the most let them eat cake thing ever, I don't really know what is.Dec 17 18:35
DaemonFC[m]Many of the costs to getting stuff done are middle managers and "What would you say it" people, and that goes 10x for healthcare.Dec 17 18:36
DaemonFC[m]If CTCA was responsibly managed and wanted to survive without looking for a bigger fish to gobble them up, it would be a bloodbath of politicians and managers like MARISOL and they could probably right the ship.Dec 17 18:37
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DaemonFC[m]That's what I don't get about Libertarian ideas for privatization.Dec 17 18:37
DaemonFC[m]Because many corporations are managed even less efficiently than a government agency.Dec 17 18:38
DaemonFC[m]They don't have to be managed well if they're a cartel with a mandatory product, like cancer treatments.Dec 17 18:38
DaemonFC[m]Yet somehow despite this, they're having cash flow issues anyway.Dec 17 18:39
DaemonFC[m]Someday, maybe soon, if they don't attract a buyer, and this is total speculation, but maybe the FBI will be in there with IRS special agents toting boxes out.Dec 17 18:39
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DaemonFC[m]They had to cut off the political graft due to the cash shortage, which is when such vulnerabilities arise.Dec 17 18:40
DaemonFC[m]That's the thing about bribes. They're very much a what have you done for me lately thing. You're not buying friends, you're buying time.Dec 17 18:41
DaemonFC[m]When you're bribing a blackmailer, you keep it up until you either don't need them or can't afford it anymore. Dec 17 18:42
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: our gym is shutting down againDec 17 18:52
schestowitz20 daysDec 17 18:52
schestowitzmore time for me online, will exercise at home insteadDec 17 18:52
schestowitz[18:34] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Not really sure why folks were complaining that they didn't get a $1,200 check when they were doing more than fine.Dec 17 18:52
schestowitzThat's an oversimplificationDec 17 18:52
schestowitzand overgeneralisationDec 17 18:52
schestowitzsome of them have kids they send to collegeDec 17 18:52
schestowitzand there are other edges cases you must think ofDec 17 18:53
schestowitzmoreover, they did NOT know COVID was comingDec 17 18:53
schestowitzno way to anticipate thisDec 17 18:53
schestowitzMinceR: Dec 17 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Make the Dogs Bark: a Tale from Communist Bulgaria - CounterPunch.orgDec 17 18:54
XRevan86> Bulgaria is a black, black country. The people are bloody, bloody.Dec 17 18:58
XRevan86Um, excuse me, it's a bloc country, not a black country.Dec 17 18:58
MinceRblack is now block, so no differenceDec 17 19:05
smnthermes 17 19:05
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "moreover, they did NOT know COVI"> I think that's why Maricel turned on us and tried to shake us down. They're broke, she hates me anyway.Dec 17 19:05
DaemonFC[m]She probably figured if she caused our marriage to collapse, it would remove Mandy, who had become a liability, and force him back to the Philippines. Dec 17 19:06
DaemonFC[m]I don't believe that they accepted her trying to weasel her way out of that contract, honestly.Dec 17 19:07
DaemonFC[m]I mean, I guess we'll find out and I'm prepared to do something else to get us through that if the need arises.Dec 17 19:07
DaemonFC[m]I think she found some dirty lawyer who probably charged her over $1,000 to send a letter to immigration and that's where it all stops.Dec 17 19:08
DaemonFC[m]You know how lawyers are.Dec 17 19:09
DaemonFC[m]Mom's church friend hired a disability lawyer and Social Security told them she didn't have enough work credits, so she asked her lawyer what she would do and he said "I guess you'll have to go back to work and get some credits.".Dec 17 19:10
DaemonFC[m]Translation: "There's no money in this for me. I'm not putting more hours in. Goodbye and good luck.".Dec 17 19:10
DaemonFC[m]She sent Mandy a picture of a receipt for an immigration lawyer over in Gurnee to harass him. She said, "I'm going to bring them in and get you out of here! And you're going to pay for this too!".Dec 17 19:12
DaemonFC[m]But she scribbled out the amount of money.Dec 17 19:12
DaemonFC[m]So I opened the jpeg on my computer and it was $250.Dec 17 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Mandy asked what that would do. I said, "They'll sit and talk with you for 15 minutes.".Dec 17 19:12
schestowitz[19:05] <DaemonFC[m]> <schestowitz "moreover, they did NOT know COVI"> I think that's why Maricel turned on us and tried to shake us down. They're broke, she hates me anyway.Dec 17 19:13
schestowitzyes, told you soDec 17 19:13
schestowitzkeep a distanceDec 17 19:13
schestowitzphysically tooDec 17 19:13
DaemonFC[m]She scribbled it out until you couldn't make it out on her iPhone I guess.Dec 17 19:13
schestowitz"oh, noes... not ma phone!!!!"Dec 17 19:13
schestowitz(pawn shop smiling)Dec 17 19:13
DaemonFC[m]She's really poking the bear.Dec 17 19:15
DaemonFC[m]Doubt she knows that.Dec 17 19:15
Ariadne 17 19:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CVE Stuffing – JerryGamblin.comDec 17 19:24
Ariadnei wonder who is doing thisDec 17 19:24
schestowitz 17 19:25
schestowitz"In November, MTS, Russia’s largest mobile operator and a leading provider of media and digital services, announced the selection of Canonical’s Charmed OpenStack to power the company’s next-generation cloud infrastructure. The company mentioned that this is the foundation of the 5G rollout that would come in the following months, enhancing their network’s edge compute capabilities."Dec 17 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Telco and Ubuntu: 2020 roundup | UbuntuDec 17 19:25
schestowitzto avrs (he's gone now)Dec 17 19:25
schestowitzoffline/awayDec 17 19:25
schestowitzmentioned this earlier today in re russiaDec 17 19:26
MinceR 17 19:26
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DaemonFC[m]IF the stimulus bill goes through, that would be great news.Dec 17 19:37
DaemonFC[m]You can't count it as earned income, but it is money in a bank account, which makes it a liquid asset on the worksheet, which is 20% as good as income for that year.Dec 17 19:37
DaemonFC[m]For immigration.Dec 17 19:38
DaemonFC[m]So that's basically like saying you had about $300 more income that year. It helps.Dec 17 19:38
DaemonFC[m]There's two ways to list money for sponsorship purposes. Income and assets. They count any liquid asset that is cash or cash-like, which could be used to help cover your living expenses that year if the need happened.Dec 17 19:39
DaemonFC[m]The worksheet says if you can't get to the income requirement, you can list assets to help you make up the difference. It takes a lot of assets to equal a small amount of income, but it can put you over the top if it's a close call.Dec 17 19:40
DaemonFC[m]There's also no ambiguity about whether new public charge applies. It's not supposed to because we filed before it went into effect, but even if that wasn't the case, the courts have struck it down and Biden says he would have gotten rid of it anyway.Dec 17 19:41
DaemonFC[m]So we've got some wind at our backs on this that, frankly, I didn't think was even a possibility.Dec 17 19:41
DaemonFC[m]Trump's legacy is 8 new miles of border fencing, early death from COVID for his useful idiots, and 50% higher drug prices. McConnell went through 4 paragraphs of Fantasy Documents about Trump's achievements.Dec 17 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Including relatively low black unemployment, which was the first casualty of the Coronavirus. It doubled from there, to 14% (officially) right now.Dec 17 19:43
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DaemonFC[m]"Local residents have filed a lawsuit to prevent Trump from living at Mar-a-Lago, in violation of both agreements, of which they are well aware. Thus it will be up to the courts and the town council whether Trump can live there and what they will do if he just moves in and stays longer than 7 consecutive days. There is already bad blood between Trump and the council. There is a local ordinance that states thatDec 17 19:48
DaemonFC[m]flagpoles may not be higher than 30 feet. Trump had one that was 50 feet high. The town demanded that he replace it with a 30-foot pole. So what did Trump do? He had a landscaping firm construct a 20-foot high hill and then he put a 30-foot pole on it."Dec 17 19:48
DaemonFC[m]I have to admit the hill with the pole is probably how I would have handled them.Dec 17 19:49
XRevan86 17 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ejabberd 20.12 | ProcessOneDec 17 20:07
DaemonFC[m]This state budget is the worst by far.Dec 17 20:11
DaemonFC[m]Illinois Democrats budgeted for a federal bailout of $5 billion that obviously never would happen and a tax hike amendment that might not pass and raised spending.Dec 17 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Then when it didn't pass, it cut some of that new spending and said it was austerity and that people would feel the harm from the spending that we didn't have before being cut.Dec 17 20:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The Governor announced some sort of PC recycling program for poor families.Dec 17 20:13
DaemonFC[m]I doubt they're putting Linux on them.Dec 17 20:13
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft probably "generously" offered "Free" licenses for Windows 10 for the program.Dec 17 20:14
DaemonFC[m]AFAIK, they're mostly older systems that were meant to run Windows 7, so while they probably can run Windows 10, it won't be pretty.Dec 17 20:15
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 17 20:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ 61,569 new #covid19 cases in #California just yesterday. And today's US numbers are over 2,000 deaths by 3PM Eastern Time. Dec 17 20:16
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: you mean RUN BY Vista 10Dec 17 20:16
schestowitzor run over byDec 17 20:16
DaemonFC[m]"Microsoft stated that it prioritized improving the security of Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 above finishing Windows Vista, thus delaying its completion.[10][11]"Dec 17 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Ahh, revisionism.Dec 17 20:40
schestowitzyeah, commonDec 17 20:40
schestowitzwikipedia?Dec 17 20:40
DaemonFC[m]The delay was because they started out basing the development builds on Windows XP and adding so much crap that it was eventually too unstable to use at all.Dec 17 20:40
schestowitzcontrolled by Microsoft PR agentsDec 17 20:40
schestowitzwe covered thatDec 17 20:40
DaemonFC[m]So they did the development reset and based it on Windows 2003 and salvaged what they could.Dec 17 20:40
schestowitzwhat does wiki say about winfs lolDec 17 20:41
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: maybe you can write a short article about thisDec 17 20:41
schestowitzinc. linksDec 17 20:41
DaemonFC[m]They have a pretty big article on it, mainly saving face by saying some of its ideas were recycled into other products.Dec 17 20:42
DaemonFC[m]But that doesn't really mean that it wasn't a disaster.Dec 17 20:43
DaemonFC[m]I was getting some of the Longhorn builds including ones that leaked.Dec 17 20:45
DaemonFC[m]I think that the only one that Microsoft tapped out on that actually had any hope was Windows Neptune, the consumer sku of Windows 2000.Dec 17 20:45
DaemonFC[m]They decided that it was taking too long and that it would be easier to hit people up for cash with another Windows 9x refresh that was slightly improved as a stopgap to XP.Dec 17 20:46
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DaemonFC[m]I think the major purpose of Windows Me was to try to kick developers in the nuts and leave them painfully aware that there was no way to continue giving their customers DOS applications going forward.Dec 17 20:46
DaemonFC[m]They knew most of the people who got it would be OEM preinstalls, not upgrades, and that it gave them about a year to signal to developers to knock it off with the new DOS apps.Dec 17 20:47
DaemonFC[m]It was basically Windows 98 with some rudimentary Windows 2000/XP stuff bolted on and no obvious way to boot into DOS.Dec 17 20:48
DaemonFC[m]I think one of the more spectacular fails was that System Restore stopped working right after they shipped it because of a time and date bug and they had to do a hotfix. Dec 17 20:48
DaemonFC[m]The more reliable ways of managing a PC with Windows 9x were off limits now and System Restore, which often caused more problems, was the official replacement.Dec 17 20:49
DaemonFC[m]It would do things like your programs would still be there, but the ones which were installed after the restore point wouldn't have their registry settings and would malfunction.Dec 17 20:50
DaemonFC[m]Or it would end up restoring a virus that you had successfully removed. Dec 17 20:50
schestowitzto write something about this we need a tidier chronologyDec 17 20:51
schestowitzno doubt they distort historyDec 17 20:51
DaemonFC[m]I remember one time I made a restore point before installing a DirectX update, and then the update went badly and caused crashes in games that had been working okay with the older libraries. So I go to use a restore point and instead of bringing back the version that worked, it broke DirectX entirely and I had to reinstall Windows.Dec 17 20:51
schestowitzbecause not only Microsoft does that, but Microsoft does this more blatantly and shamelessly Dec 17 20:51
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: in older windows you needed to manually install dxDec 17 20:52
schestowitzcannot recall which versionDec 17 20:52
schestowitzmaybe win95Dec 17 20:52
schestowitzsome games asked you to add itDec 17 20:52
DaemonFC[m]So I got into the habit of turning System Restore off and taking my chances because all it did was hog space on the hard drive and further corrupt Windows, and you were in for a reinstall anyway at some point.Dec 17 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Not having good backups is suicide, but it was actually a lot worse with 9x because it was a complete wreck, especially after IE4 and the new shell update. Dec 17 20:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Microsoft sent me a version to try out with the expectation that I would review it, and when I mentioned the system restore problems and not being able to get into DOS as major problems, I stopped hearing much from them anymore. Dec 17 20:54
DaemonFC[m]I think I said it was unbelievable that major new software titles were "released last year for DOS and now there's no way to get into it".Dec 17 20:57
DaemonFC[m]XP (the 32-bit version) was okay-ish with DOS applications with a program called VDM Sound or something.Dec 17 20:58
DaemonFC[m]It was this open source bolt-on that pretended it was a sound blaster card. Dec 17 20:59
MinceR 17 21:00
DaemonFC[m]"I don't want your germs." Twister.Dec 17 21:01
DaemonFC[m]"Please don't speak. You might be transmitting viruses, and the typical human nonsense I don't want to hear anyway."Dec 17 21:02
DaemonFC[m]"Thank you for your cooperation."Dec 17 21:02
MinceRTwister? But I don't even know 'er!Dec 17 21:02
DaemonFC[m] 17 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NC governor pardons 5, including man wrongly imprisoned for 44 years - CNNDec 17 21:07
DaemonFC[m]You were wrongly imprisoned for 44 years. Please accept a pardon which establishes your guilt, but the state forgives you for being wrongly imprisoned for 44 years.Dec 17 21:07
DaemonFC[m]You cost the state an awful lot of money by making us wrongfully imprison you for 44 years like that, what with the all-white jury full of Klansmen.Dec 17 21:08
DaemonFC[m]But we forgive you.Dec 17 21:08
MinceRthat's like the leader of the International Pedophile Party "forgave" GalileiDec 17 21:10
MinceRor something like thatDec 17 21:10
DaemonFC[m]You know it cost the state a lot of money to pay the police overtime to fabricate all of that evidence.Dec 17 21:10
DaemonFC[m]We could bill you if we wanted to, but we pardon that too.Dec 17 21:10
MinceR(cat) (audio:unimportant) 17 21:11
DaemonFC[m]Then what does it say about the court system in North Carolina when the Attorney General knew the guy was innocent and had to go to federal courts asking them to overturn the conviction?Dec 17 21:11
DaemonFC[m]"The pardons make them eligible to file a claim under a state law that allows compensation to persons wrongly convicted of felonies."Dec 17 21:12
DaemonFC[m]Whatever compensation there is for 44 years of your life gone, I'm certain that it's an insult.Dec 17 21:12
DaemonFC[m]It is in Illinois....Dec 17 21:13
DaemonFC[m]If they wrongfully convict you and you somehow prove it later, you get $5 for each DAY that you shouldn't have been in prison.Dec 17 21:13
DaemonFC[m]Same applies for sitting in jail waiting on trial and then beating the charges.Dec 17 21:14
DaemonFC[m]So you lost your job, your wife left you, the accusations have scandalized you.Dec 17 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Here's $300.Dec 17 21:14
DaemonFC[m]There's damage from just being accused of something, which the state does to people wholesale, in fact. Dec 17 21:15
DaemonFC[m]There is no "win" once you've been accused of anything.Dec 17 21:15
DaemonFC[m]You spent a fortune fighting them off and then you still have an arrest record that shows what they said you did.Dec 17 21:16
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DaemonFC[m] 17 21:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tennessee governor: 'One thing this vaccine will not solve or cure is selfishness' - CNNDec 17 21:17
DaemonFC[m]It's putting a full spectacle on greed and stupidity, honestly.Dec 17 21:18
DaemonFC[m]There are antivaxxers out taking a moment to continue their claims that all vaccines are bad and dangerous.Dec 17 21:18
DaemonFC[m]And there's people who are using the shortage to con people out of money, of course.Dec 17 21:18
DaemonFC[m]And then there's the people trying to skip the line because they have more money.Dec 17 21:18
schestowitzit's sad, is it not?Dec 17 21:19
DaemonFC[m]It's like the sinking of the Titanic where they have half as many lifeboats as they need, so they lock all of the 3rd class passengers up to drown.Dec 17 21:19
schestowitzGates and MS media spin it all as if the vaccine critics are all cranksDec 17 21:19
schestowitzfor this PARTICULAR 'vaccine'... a clinical trialDec 17 21:19
DaemonFC[m]They could make more, if they wanted to.Dec 17 21:20
schestowitzmaybe that'll harm moreDec 17 21:20
schestowitzand they want just enough for their clinical/criminal trialDec 17 21:20
DaemonFC[m]The government isn't too concerned with actually ending this as much as it is getting the people it cares about immune to it.Dec 17 21:20
schestowitzI honestly speak to my parents and in lawsDec 17 21:20
schestowitzand they took flu shotsDec 17 21:20
schestowitzyet they do NOT want the COVID oneDec 17 21:20
schestowitztoo earlyDec 17 21:21
schestowitzmany unknownsDec 17 21:21
DaemonFC[m]My grandmother will be getting one.Dec 17 21:21
schestowitzgood luckDec 17 21:21
DaemonFC[m]Mom said she signed the papers for it because she has legal guardianship over her mother and she said she wanted it. Dec 17 21:21
schestowitzshe does not have much to loseDec 17 21:21
schestowitzI mean, if they're near the endDec 17 21:21
schestowitzpfizer killed many grandpas with viagraDec 17 21:22
schestowitznot it can have a go at grandmas tooDec 17 21:22
DaemonFC[m]She is. She shouldn't have dementia, but she does because she was letting her blood sugar skyrocket by living off toaster pastries during the last years where she was in her home and nobody was telling her what to do.Dec 17 21:22
DaemonFC[m]The only reason anyone forced her to go to the nursing home was because she started slipping so bad that she was at least two years past when they should have taken the car keys.Dec 17 21:23
DaemonFC[m]She would admit that she went out driving and forgot where she was going.Dec 17 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Finally she wrecked the Cadillac into someone and totaled both the cars.Dec 17 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Broke her neck. Ended up in the hospital.Dec 17 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Hooked up to an IV telling us to buy emergency supplies because ISIS would bomb the power plants on Christmas of 2015 because they hated Jesus.Dec 17 21:24
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DaemonFC[m]The doctor took me aside and asked if she was delusional. I said, "Because of the ISIS thing? No that's no worse than she's been for the last 20 years.".Dec 17 21:25
DaemonFC[m]He didn't know what was going on because a lot of people have hallucinatory effects from breaking a bone or being on pain medicine. Dec 17 21:26
DaemonFC[m]I told the doctor, "In 1999 she shoved a ton of pantry goods under the beds in her house because all the power plants were going to melt down in 2000, and then in 2006 my mom's ex husband broke his toe on some sugar that had turned into a brick.".Dec 17 21:27
DaemonFC[m]"In 1996, she said the world would end because America was growing too lenient on the gays, and then it wasn't going to end because Pat Robertson said God told him he changed his mind and was giving us one more chance.".Dec 17 21:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: QAnon isn't new. They just finally have a name for what's wrong with conservatives. Their latest one was that a minor earthquake in Maine was the military blowing up an underground secret base with 50,000 soldiers of the People's Liberation Army.Dec 17 21:29
DaemonFC[m]And you laugh, but you have people like this where you are, and they cause problems.Dec 17 21:30
schestowitzPeople's Liberation Army?Dec 17 21:30
schestowitzPLA?Dec 17 21:30
schestowitzwhat'sit?Dec 17 21:30
DaemonFC[m]The Chinese military.Dec 17 21:30
schestowitzthat's what I thoughtDec 17 21:30
schestowitzbut...Dec 17 21:30
schestowitzWTF?Dec 17 21:30
schestowitzin the USDec 17 21:31
schestowitz50k Chinese troopsDec 17 21:31
schestowitz?Dec 17 21:31
DaemonFC[m]They invaded Maine and then stole the plot the Soviets had in the last season of Stranger Things.Dec 17 21:31
schestowitzlink?Dec 17 21:31
DaemonFC[m]Underground bunker hidden by a mall in Indiana.Dec 17 21:31
schestowitzMaybe it's a caricature of what they actually believeDec 17 21:31
schestowitzthey believe lots of crapDec 17 21:31
schestowitzbut 50k 'hidden' Chinese troops in the US?Dec 17 21:32
schestowitzIt's not like they even look alikeDec 17 21:32
DaemonFC[m] 17 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | No truth to conspiracy about US bombing Chinese troops invading Maine - Business InsiderDec 17 21:32
schestowitzand that theory can cause attacks on Asian/AmericansDec 17 21:32
schestowitzmaybe it's a straw manDec 17 21:32
schestowitzthat site has a paywallDec 17 21:32
schestowitzor gate/wallDec 17 21:32
MinceRPolylactic acid, or polylactide (PLA)Dec 17 21:32
schestowitzqanon takes thatDec 17 21:33
MinceRlolDec 17 21:33
schestowitzthey used to link to techrights re gates, but distorted itDec 17 21:33
schestowitzall sorts of weird misinterpretations Dec 17 21:33
schestowitzlinked to the idea that there's a sinister plot among all rich elites, inc. CEOs, to screw kidsDec 17 21:34
schestowitzand that Trump was "Cleaning up"Dec 17 21:34
schestowitzor something weird like thatDec 17 21:34
schestowitzTrump was the one who wanted to screw his OWN young kidDec 17 21:34
DaemonFC[m]Cleaning up evidence of his participation, most likely.Dec 17 21:34
DaemonFC[m]The cameras all malfunction at the exact moment the guards take a smoke break.Dec 17 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Then Epstein suicides with something he managed to slip past them while he was on suicide watch.Dec 17 21:35
schestowitzwe have the full willDec 17 21:35
schestowitzthe last amended oneDec 17 21:35
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty clear that plenty of people including Trump and Gates wanted him gone. Dec 17 21:35
schestowitzwith gates' right-hand man named in itDec 17 21:36
schestowitz 17 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Original Document That Shows ‘Executor’ (of the Will) of Jeffrey Epstein is Very Close Associate of Bill Gates | TechrightsDec 17 21:36
schestowitzA small world, ain't it?Dec 17 21:37
schestowitzone say you save the world from covid, previous day you conspire with a child trafficker to launder his nameDec 17 21:37
DaemonFC[m]CNN says Lego won't make modern military toys "so others are stepping in". Dec 17 21:37
schestowitzsame thing after all...Dec 17 21:37
schestowitzsaving the world and covering up a paedophila ringDec 17 21:37
DaemonFC[m]How courageous. We can continue throwing money into a pit when a shooting war between the US and China would be a disaster for both sides.Dec 17 21:38
DaemonFC[m]Nuclear weapons are what discourages it.Dec 17 21:38
DaemonFC[m]Not some troops standing around on a base.Dec 17 21:38
schestowitzmaybe plastic ballistic missilesDec 17 21:38
schestowitzwith grooves and round ridges on themDec 17 21:38
schestowitzLEGODec 17 21:38
schestowitz"made in denMARK"Dec 17 21:38
DaemonFC[m] 17 21:40
DaemonFC[m]Voting on how tall a mountain is.Dec 17 21:40
DaemonFC[m]Okay...Dec 17 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mount Everest even taller than we thoughtDec 17 21:40
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schestowitzanything to distract from what's important?Dec 17 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Michigan parents must pay son back after purging porn collectionDec 17 21:42
schestowitzUS is all about lawsuitsDec 17 21:43
schestowitzlitigation nationDec 17 21:43
schestowitzmany lawyers/capitaDec 17 21:43
schestowitzand even family is "BUSINESS"Dec 17 21:43
schestowitzso people have their "legal department"... not just for divorce settlementsDec 17 21:43
DaemonFC[m]It seems odd that anyone would spend $26,000 on porn and sex toys.Dec 17 21:43
DaemonFC[m]And even stranger that they'd file a lawsuit about it that would end up all over the news.Dec 17 21:44
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DaemonFC[m]You'd think that you would want that kept quiet because anyone can type your name into google.Dec 17 21:45
schestowitzmaybe the publicly was wantdDec 17 21:49
schestowitzbut not by the parentsDec 17 21:49
MinceR 17 21:56
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'd have to say that out of all the COVID vaccines, the type that concerns me more is the adenovirus ones.Dec 17 21:58
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DaemonFC[m]They say "Well, these viruses don't cause any known disease or a slight cold, and we have to give you one that nobody's been exposed to before so that your immune system won't destroy the vaccine, and it has all of the potential allergic reactions of a traditional vaccine because of how we incubated the virus, and we've genetically altered the virus not only to deliver the Coronavirus spike protein instructions intoDec 17 22:00
DaemonFC[m]your cell but so that the adenovirus won't be able to reproduce.Dec 17 22:00
DaemonFC[m]vs. "This is mRNA that contains the instructions for how to make the spike protein.".Dec 17 22:00
DaemonFC[m]It seems maybe the only advantage of the adenovirus ones is that they don't have to be kept at the extreme cold temperatures.Dec 17 22:01
DaemonFC[m]My dad really hates the entire concept of the storyline of The Handmaid's Tale.Dec 17 22:02
DaemonFC[m]One of the flashback scenes shows after the decapitation strike on the government but before it had been completely reorganized into the Republic of Gilead yet, and the first law enforcement agency to really begin acting exactly like the Guardians was ICE.Dec 17 22:03
DaemonFC[m]I told him well it wouldn't make a very good story unless it was believable that things like that could actually happen, and they put ICE in there like that before they were Trump's goon squad launching chemical weapons strikes on American citizens and kidnapping protesters. Dec 17 22:03
DaemonFC[m]Then during the election, Trump's people start running people off the road and holding them at gunpoint accusing them of having "evidence of illegal ballots" in their van when it's air conditioning repair stuff.Dec 17 22:04
DaemonFC[m]Then they start threatening assassination against presidential electors.Dec 17 22:05
DaemonFC[m]The foiled kidnap and murder plot against two state governors.Dec 17 22:05
DaemonFC[m]There's certainly an element out there that would overthrow the US government and try to take over if it was able to.Dec 17 22:05
DaemonFC[m]So the story is not unbelievable at all.Dec 17 22:05
DaemonFC[m]Most of them are just drunken rednecks who could never pull anything like that off because they're just too stupid.Dec 17 22:06
DaemonFC[m]Discussing such plots on Facebook, for starters. Dec 17 22:06
DaemonFC[m]As long as they're mostly only able to pull in people like that, there's little to worry about, but there's signs that they're burrowing into law enforcement, the military, and state and local government.Dec 17 22:07
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DaemonFC[m]These people are far more dangerous than some Muslims.Dec 17 22:09
DaemonFC[m]Because they actually are here now and nobody's stopping them from stockpiling heavy weaponry and explosives. Dec 17 22:09
DaemonFC[m]But obviously while Trump was in office, the Department of Homeland Security was stopped from talking about right-wing militia nutjobs.Dec 17 22:09
DaemonFC[m]I think they were keeping an eye on them, they just weren't allowed to talk about it.Dec 17 22:11
DaemonFC[m]Trump was promising "riots in the streets" if he lost the election.Dec 17 22:11
DaemonFC[m]But so far nothing major has actually gone down and the people who did show up to support him in DC yelled at buildings and stabbed some police officers.Dec 17 22:12
DaemonFC[m]But the police got it under control quickly. Dec 17 22:12
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 2,490 deathsDec 17 22:14
schestowitzmight be another 3k by day's endDec 17 22:14
schestowitz3.5k+ yesterdayDec 17 22:14
schestowitzcan soon be 20k per weekDec 17 22:15
schestowitzand then 400k by inauguration dayDec 17 22:15
schestowitzxmas will accelerate the spreadDec 17 22:15
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and then USCIS wants us to go to Chicago for an in person appointment during this.Dec 17 22:16
DaemonFC[m]And of course they can't just email you a copy of the confirmation letter that has the appointment info on it so you even know what date it is.Dec 17 22:16
DaemonFC[m] 17 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pence to Head Overseas Jan. 6 Hours After Formally Declaring Biden the Presidential Victor – NBC New YorkDec 17 22:19
DaemonFC[m]The Constitution gives Pence the job of declaring that the administration lost the election.Dec 17 22:19
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes the Constitution is pretty great. Dec 17 22:19
DaemonFC[m]I suppose that theoretically he could use it to start spewing all sorts of lies and stuff, but it says he must declare Biden the winner.Dec 17 22:20
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DaemonFC[m]There actually have been some very obviously stolen elections that were certified anyway.Dec 17 22:22
DaemonFC[m]George W. Bush and John F. Kennedy to name a couple.Dec 17 22:23
DaemonFC[m]During the Kennedy one, Illinois was a red state outside of Chicago and outside Chicago had a much greater percentage of the population than it does today.Dec 17 22:23
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DaemonFC[m]So mayor Daley just waited until the rest of the state reported the results and then released "a number" for Chicago.Dec 17 22:24
DaemonFC[m]And many of the election officials did actually get into legal hot water over rigging the election and stuffing the ballot boxes.Dec 17 22:24
DaemonFC[m]And in Texas, there were quite a few areas where more voters than the number on the registry voted.Dec 17 22:24
DaemonFC[m]Nixon probably could have raised a stink about it, but it would look like he was a sore loser, so he let it go and came back later.Dec 17 22:25
MinceR   ( )Dec 17 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Food Poisoning - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-10-01 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsDec 17 22:27
DaemonFC[m] 17 22:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump says he will veto $740 billion defense bill, breaking with RepublicansDec 17 22:28
DaemonFC[m]The danger of a pocket veto is that the Supreme Court only very recently settled the issues of pro forma sessions of Congress.Dec 17 22:28
DaemonFC[m]Saying that Congress is in session whenever it says it is.Dec 17 22:29
DaemonFC[m]So if he attempted to take no action, it could end up becoming law without them having to do anything since they would have people there to receive messages and vetoed bills from the president.Dec 17 22:29
DaemonFC[m]So he more or less has to do an actual veto or risk accidentally letting it become the law.Dec 17 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Congress sets its own schedule. Some state legislatures are like that too, while others have constitutional limits on how many days they can be in session.Dec 17 22:31
DaemonFC[m]I think Texas doesn't have sessions during even numbered years or something.Dec 17 22:31
DaemonFC[m]So they have an incentive to try to get the governor to call a special session over things they normally don't have time to do.Dec 17 22:31
DaemonFC[m]It really strengthens the executive because If the legislature pisses him off, they may not have enough time to do their job and he'll refuse to call them back.Dec 17 22:32
DaemonFC[m] 17 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump administration says it will withhold $200 million in California Medicaid funding over abortion insurance requirementDec 17 22:36
DaemonFC[m]I don't even know why he's wasting his time with this.Dec 17 22:37
DaemonFC[m]Biden will hand their Medicaid money over in 33 days.Dec 17 22:37
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Dec 17 22:40
schestowitz[12:28] <schestowitz> x 17 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Candace Owens shockingly calls Dr Fauci and Bill Gates ‘pure evil’ in wild attackDec 17 22:40
schestowitz[12:28] <schestowitz> # using strawmen to defend BillDec 17 22:40
schestowitz[12:28] <schestowitz> =Dec 17 22:40
schestowitz[12:28] <schestowitz> x 17 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates says world won't be normal until 2022, restaurants need to lockdown - TheBlazeDec 17 22:40
schestowitz[12:28] <schestowitz> # bill sezDec 17 22:40
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: BTWDec 17 22:40
schestowitzre CNBCDec 17 22:40
schestowitzthey help TrumpDec 17 22:40
schestowitzFirebird SQLAlchemy status for Firebird Advent 2020 Dec 17 22:40
schestowitz 17 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #cnbc cheering for #militarism and by doing so helping #trumpism Dec 17 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | Trump says he will veto $740 billion defense bill, breaking with RepublicansDec 17 22:41
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: They'll do a veto override.Dec 17 22:52
DaemonFC[m]If they were worried about his veto they wouldn't have passed it in the Senate.Dec 17 22:52
DaemonFC[m]They're looking past Trump because they'll be around for years and he won't be.Dec 17 22:52
schestowitzthat bill is a sham regardlessDec 17 22:52
schestowitzand tucked into it are a  bunch of things that would never be passed in iolationDec 17 22:53
schestowitzisolationDec 17 22:53
schestowitzbtw: 17 22:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-curl supports NASA | daniel.haxx.seDec 17 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, so were some of the bills that George W. Bush vetoed that got overridden near the end.Dec 17 22:53
schestowitzndaa Dec 17 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Bad bills that he vetoed for good reason.Dec 17 22:53
DaemonFC[m]It's strange how both parties in Congress only get veto-proof majorities on their worst stuff, isn't it?Dec 17 22:54
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DaemonFC[m]It seems almost like a tradition for a lame duck president to finally have veto overrides even if he escaped it before.Dec 17 22:55
DaemonFC[m]The fact that they are shows that none of them think Trump will be around after next month.Dec 17 22:55
DaemonFC[m] 17 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Congress braces for painful veto clash with Trump on defense bill - POLITICODec 17 22:57
DaemonFC[m]They're talking about overriding it in the last few hours before the new Congress.Dec 17 22:57
schestowitzhelping the Trump PRDec 17 22:59
schestowitzby sidling with something they ought notDec 17 23:00
schestowitzcorporate mediaDec 17 23:00
schestowitzfunded by military companies, tooDec 17 23:00
schestowitzlike talking about trump pardom for assange, snowdenDec 17 23:00
schestowitzas if such a thing would be terribleDec 17 23:00
schestowitzor would actually happenDec 17 23:00
schestowitzwhich I doubtDec 17 23:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Anyway, I went through Maricel's karaoke machine last year picking out all the songs to thumb my nose at them with.Dec 17 23:14
DaemonFC[m]Not exactly subtle either.Dec 17 23:14
DaemonFC[m]Like In the Ghetto by Elvis Presley and Another Day in Paradise by Phil CollinsDec 17 23:15
DaemonFC[m]I don't think they appreciated it much.Dec 17 23:15
DaemonFC[m]I've been meaning to get one.Dec 17 23:17
DaemonFC[m] 17 23:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-6 men indicted on federal charges in plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer - CNNPoliticsDec 17 23:20
DaemonFC[m]I loved how SNL handled that.Dec 17 23:20
DaemonFC[m]Unemployable losers who had no plan for what to do after the kidnapping.Dec 17 23:20
DaemonFC[m]The attempted kidnapping actually did more harm for the far-right than it was worth.Dec 17 23:21
DaemonFC[m]If you don't think that'll come up in the next election there. "Well look at the other party. They had kidnap and murder plot. They're terrorists.".Dec 17 23:22
DaemonFC[m]That's where I'd go. Get some mileage out of it.Dec 17 23:22
schestowitzyeahDec 17 23:22
schestowitz 17 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #trump4terrorism Dec 17 23:22
schestowitzmaybe I could go with #terrorists4TrumpDec 17 23:22
schestowitz 17 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #california dying in #Covid19 surge; given the number of new cases, it'll become mayhem Dec 17 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Hot spot: California hospitals buckle as virus cases surge | National | gazette.comDec 17 23:23
schestowitz 17 23:23
schestowitz 17 23:23
schestowitz 17 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ With 3 hours to go, #covid19 death toll in the US already exceeds that of '9/11' and it has become the 'new normal' (worse than '9/11' per day) Dec 17 23:23
schestowitz[23:14] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Anyway, I went through Maricel's karaoke machine last year picking out all the songs to thumb my nose at them with.Dec 17 23:24
schestowitz"(I'm) crazy" is a classicDec 17 23:24
schestowitz 17 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kings don't walk to the ring! Tyson Fury carried to the ring on a throne | Wilder v Fury 2 - YouTubeDec 17 23:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's insane, and there's people out there who still compare it to a cold virus.Dec 17 23:34
DaemonFC[m]Or insist that they are faking death certificates to...what? Make the people in charge look worse?Dec 17 23:34
schestowitzflu and the cold don't fill up hospitalsDec 17 23:34
schestowitznot even when there's no annual lockdownDec 17 23:34
schestowitzalso, we don't have a real, effective, proven vaccine for covidDec 17 23:34
schestowitzwe have some for the fluDec 17 23:35
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: anyway, look at excess deathDec 17 23:35
schestowitznever mind causes of deathDec 17 23:35
schestowitzand then you see a  big uptickDec 17 23:35
schestowitz 17 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC NewsDec 17 23:35
DaemonFC[m]They're noticing that the flu shot seems to have some positive effects against COVID-19.Dec 17 23:35
schestowitz 17 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BBC News - The News Explained, How Many Are Really Dying From Coronavirus?Dec 17 23:36
schestowitzCovid: Deaths 10% higher than normal as virus deaths rise 17 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Covid: Deaths 10% higher than normal as virus deaths rise - BBC NewsDec 17 23:36
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schestowitzthose deaths include old ageDec 17 23:38
DaemonFC[m] 17 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-You can now bid on the chance to demolish President Trump's former defunct Atlantic City, NJ casino - CNNDec 17 23:38
schestowitz2,803 in US nowDec 17 23:38
schestowitz2.5 hours to goDec 17 23:38
DaemonFC[m]Bagging and tagging them while trying to convince the rest that a vaccine that might give them a few hours of fatigue and a mild headache is not bad in comparison.Dec 17 23:46
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DaemonFC[m]And it was Pence who led a "Life is Winning" event at the White House on Wednesday to tout the Trump administration's work on abortion.Dec 17 23:49
DaemonFC[m]Next month Biden repeals the Mexico City Policy again.Dec 17 23:49
DaemonFC[m]And gives California its Medicaid funds.Dec 17 23:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is this Mike Pence's moment? - CNNPoliticsDec 17 23:50
DaemonFC[m]Trump walks away from presidential duties and Mike Pence shows up to all of it instead. Yeah why not.Dec 17 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Getting some brand recognition for 2024.Dec 17 23:51
DaemonFC[m]On the taxpayer dime no less.Dec 17 23:51
schestowitzIs CNN still pushing vaccine profiteers as experts?Dec 17 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Dec 17 23:51
schestowitzyuckDec 17 23:51
schestowitzI saw some yesterday in Linux feedsDec 17 23:51
schestowitzshowing "the troops"Dec 17 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Pence has been so quiet over the last 4 years that you really wouldn't even know we had a vice president.Dec 17 23:51
schestowitzfemale, obviously...Dec 17 23:51
schestowitzsleepy joe was also quiet under ObamaDec 17 23:52
schestowitzmaybe better that wayDec 17 23:52
schestowitzBiden was a lot worseDec 17 23:52
DaemonFC[m]Even Biden wasn't this quiet. Dec 17 23:53
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty clear that Mike Pence's job was to stay out of the way and absolutely never show up or do anything unless Trump said he could.Dec 17 23:53
DaemonFC[m]At this point, it doesn't really matter because Trump lost.Dec 17 23:54
DaemonFC[m]He says he might come back in 2024, but it's doubtful.Dec 17 23:54
DaemonFC[m]As for designating one of his sons to run for president, eww, and no. Dec 17 23:54
DaemonFC[m]They've been even more toxic over the last 4 years than he has.Dec 17 23:54
DaemonFC[m]And Don Jr. is on record saying Coronavirus is fake and it would all disappear from the news right after the election.Dec 17 23:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alabama GOP congressman becomes 4th House member in a week to disclose Covid-19 diagnosis - CNNPoliticsDec 17 23:57
DaemonFC[m]Three times as many Republicans in Congress have had COVID-19 than Democrats.Dec 17 23:57
DaemonFC[m]That's pretty impressive considering that they're the minority party in the much larger House.Dec 17 23:57
DaemonFC[m]Most of the outbreak within the government has been Republicans.Dec 17 23:58
DaemonFC[m]When you factor in Trump Administration officials, it's like 10 Republicans per Democrat or something that have had COVID.Dec 17 23:58
DaemonFC[m]Virtually everyone in the administration has given it to each other.Dec 17 23:58
DaemonFC[m]As for why they aren't dying, it's pretty simple really.Dec 17 23:59
DaemonFC[m]They have the best doctors who are actually prescribing them stuff like monoclonal antibodies that some hack that your HMO allows you to see won't and you couldn't pay for it even if they did.Dec 17 23:59

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