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| kingoffrance | agree with vZS1 unix was also because multics supposedly had an opposite philosophy. that was the big mainframe one size fits all thing. workplaces? unix was for programmers. and depending who you read they bolted a word processor on to avoid getting canned IIRC. oh we werent writing an os after you told us not to, secretly borrwing psychology depts computers because you took ours away and told us not to implement, ju | Dec 17 00:02 |
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| kingoffrance | st design. we really were writing a word processor! for business! | Dec 17 00:02 |
| kingoffrance | i guess, such things depend on who you read | Dec 17 00:02 |
| kingoffrance | but funny how the business ppl steal it | Dec 17 00:02 |
| kingoffrance | this was our idea | Dec 17 00:03 |
| kingoffrance | no, your idea was multics | Dec 17 00:03 |
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| kingoffrance | thats why bell said no more ideas please | Dec 17 00:03 |
| kingoffrance | and took their computers away | Dec 17 00:03 |
| kingoffrance | just draw on the whiteboard | Dec 17 00:04 |
| kingoffrance | something something they watned to port a game too | Dec 17 00:05 |
| kingoffrance | was bell in the video game market? | Dec 17 00:06 |
| kingoffrance | was there even a market? | Dec 17 00:06 |
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| kingoffrance | i cant tell you how many schools offer troff classes as their teach office suite to ppl | Dec 17 00:08 |
| kingoffrance | mainly because its fiction | Dec 17 00:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I read about Dave Cutler at Microsoft, one of the people who designed Windows NT, "having a hatred of all things UNIX", but I never saw a source for that. | Dec 17 00:20 |
| kingoffrance | im not knocking multics either, and ive heard conflicting stories, its just... | Dec 17 00:27 |
| kingoffrance | i mean hey, if you want to define business world and decisions being made by programmers | Dec 17 00:27 |
| kingoffrance | im cool with that | Dec 17 00:28 |
| kingoffrance | just sounds like neverneverland | Dec 17 00:28 |
| kingoffrance | literally the programming in unix env. paper says its for programmers IIRC | Dec 17 00:28 |
| kingoffrance | the pipeline thing i mean | Dec 17 00:28 |
| kingoffrance | which is the do one thing at a time thing | Dec 17 00:28 |
| kingoffrance | again, someone had a more complex idea. they passed | Dec 17 00:29 |
| kingoffrance | *define business world as decisions | Dec 17 00:29 |
| kingoffrance | i can imagine at some point secretaries did word process with pipelines, so i will entertain the thought that was a thing at some point for some locations | Dec 17 00:30 |
| kingoffrance | you only have to look at any modern office suite to see if that is still the case | Dec 17 00:31 |
| kingoffrance | on any os | Dec 17 00:31 |
| kingoffrance | im all for that, but i dont think thats what most ppl would call a normal workplace | Dec 17 00:32 |
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| kingoffrance | someone linked a cpl article/paper in another channel ; the mainframe batch thing did have multiple streams beyond stdin/out/err | Dec 17 00:36 |
| kingoffrance | so clearly they broke with that, although surely differed across mainframe things | Dec 17 00:36 |
| kingoffrance | and c was arguably a slimmed down cpl was the point of that article | Dec 17 00:36 |
| kingoffrance | http://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/CPL/CPL_Elementary_Programming_Manual.pdf you can see many similarities | Dec 17 00:37 |
| kingoffrance | i dont thikn cpl was business necessarily, academia maybe the article seemed to hint, but nevertheless -- they appear to me to have broke with mainframe things | Dec 17 00:38 |
| kingoffrance | just like vZS1 says -- portability was not really a mainframe thing from everything ive ever heard. you bought a machine with a service contract with os. you didnt shop around for an os | Dec 17 00:39 |
| kingoffrance | maybe if you were lucky they gave you a few choices | Dec 17 00:40 |
| kingoffrance | point being: again, a slimmed down from the mainframe stuff | Dec 17 00:42 |
| kingoffrance | and from the dreams of academia | Dec 17 00:42 |
| kingoffrance | im open to corrections if cpl was for a microcomputer or something | Dec 17 00:47 |
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| XRevan86 | Can't wait for the Putin's press-conference. | Dec 17 01:31 |
| XRevan86 | There will be *a lot* of news after that. | Dec 17 01:32 |
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| vZS1 | UNIX was always meant to be for programmers. Every now and then the people supplying the cash in Bell Labs had to be placated with an "enterprise" program or two. | Dec 17 07:41 |
| vZS1 | Sun's UNIX work is definitely more along the business-minded programming. But not Bell Labs. The team at Bell Labs were mainly interested in having fun with a computer. | Dec 17 07:42 |
| vZS1 | Most people don't get UNIX because they fail to realise the OS is the development environment. You're supposed to hack things to meet your needs. GNU is definitely not UNIX because of this. Too much taboo around forking programs and trying out different ideas. | Dec 17 07:46 |
| vZS1 | Linux and BSD also have the same taboo around forking | Dec 17 07:48 |
| vZS1 | So now you have mostly "developers" that are illiterate about how a computer works. "Muh IDE!" | Dec 17 07:50 |
| vZS1 | GIAFAM are the next incarnation of the forking taboo. All the UNIX descendants are controlled by their interests, upstream. | Dec 17 07:52 |
| vZS1 | The bloat is one of the ways they control the ecosystem. You can do your computing with a lot less than standard packaging today. | Dec 17 07:54 |
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| vZS1 | The spyware travesty is also bad because most users are just targets for data farming and Ad targets. | Dec 17 08:03 |
| schestowitz | https://lwn.net/Articles/839397/ | Dec 17 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The future for general-purpose computing [LWN.net] | Dec 17 08:04 | |
| schestowitz | is this the future | Dec 17 08:04 |
| schestowitz | imperialistic control over what programs we can run on 'our' PCs? | Dec 17 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I see some Moderna propaganda todat | Dec 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | even latched onto the "LINUX" brand | Dec 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | they say, in corporate media, that based on their secret data, it's "highly effective" | Dec 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | seems like marketing in 'news' clothing to nme | Dec 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | showing a bunch of troops getting jabs | Dec 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | and women of course | Dec 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | "support the troops"... buy from Moderna | Dec 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | this is getting ridiculous | Dec 17 08:07 |
| vZS1 | This situation boils down to the trust the public places in the hands of companies like Apple. | Dec 17 08:08 |
| vZS1 | If you buy an Apple product you are already a lost cause. | Dec 17 08:08 |
| vZS1 | Lack of computing literacy is also an issue | Dec 17 08:11 |
| vZS1 | Because people that have computing literacy are less likely to be duped | Dec 17 08:11 |
| vZS1 | Fig's article touching on computing literacy hit the nail on the head | Dec 17 08:12 |
| vZS1 | People learning about computing only learn what GIAFAM want. It's designed to dumb people down, reduce competition, and market their ecosystems | Dec 17 08:14 |
| search_social | luckily humans are good at torching ecosystems | Dec 17 08:25 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: yes | Dec 17 08:39 |
| schestowitz | the hope is, unrest and fatigue will help drive alternatives | Dec 17 08:39 |
| schestowitz | like gnu and then linux grew out of disdain for the status quo | Dec 17 08:39 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: are the videos generally OK? I got limited feedback on those | Dec 17 08:41 |
| schestowitz | they're spontaneous and not scripted, but at least they're very fast to make, it's the upload which takes the chunk of time | Dec 17 08:42 |
| psydroid | <vZS1 "Linux and BSD also have the same"> The taboo around forking should go, as it should have happened a long time ago in multiple directions | Dec 17 09:06 |
| schestowitz | the kernel? | Dec 17 09:07 |
| schestowitz | or in general? | Dec 17 09:07 |
| psydroid | in general, I would say | Dec 17 09:08 |
| schestowitz | forks do need a good reason | Dec 17 09:16 |
| schestowitz | otherwise they perish | Dec 17 09:17 |
| schestowitz | they never get off the ground | Dec 17 09:17 |
| schestowitz | take glimpse for example | Dec 17 09:17 |
| schestowitz | forking gimp or something... because of the name gimp | Dec 17 09:17 |
| schestowitz | gimp is an acronym | Dec 17 09:17 |
| schestowitz | I know the guy behind it | Dec 17 09:17 |
| schestowitz | bobby moss, used to be at bt and some linux mag (forgot which one, maybe linux format) | Dec 17 09:17 |
| schestowitz | I mean, do you really think people will flock to gimp just because the word (acronym) gimp offends them? | Dec 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | if he said, OK, let's make a qt-based fork. | Dec 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | then fine | Dec 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | but still, it's a massive job | Dec 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | because gimp is vast | Dec 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | linux is also too big to fork | Dec 17 09:19 |
| schestowitz | too many changes, from too many people | Dec 17 09:19 |
| schestowitz | you can at best branch it with automation/scripts like oliva does | Dec 17 09:19 |
| schestowitz | Latest pfizer: if you got our vaccine and still died, blame storage temperature. Ad hoc clinical trials. We're still finding out about allergies, other issues... on the go. You do NOT develop vaccination in MONTHS. | Dec 17 09:22 |
| psydroid | but all of that doesn't mean that forking is a bad thing per se | Dec 17 09:23 |
| psydroid | useless and unviable forks will wither away, as they should | Dec 17 09:24 |
| schestowitz | that can split and duplicate effort | Dec 17 09:24 |
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| psydroid | that's the standard reasoning against forking, but what I see with GNU/Linux in particular is that it has allowed and perhaps even enabled a number of big tech corporations to take total control over the development process | Dec 17 09:27 |
| schestowitz | but wait | Dec 17 09:29 |
| schestowitz | let's be clear what we're talking about | Dec 17 09:29 |
| schestowitz | gnu, linux, something else? | Dec 17 09:29 |
| schestowitz | kwin was recently forked | Dec 17 09:30 |
| schestowitz | and there was apparently no good reason for it | Dec 17 09:30 |
| schestowitz | Martin did not even develop in parallel | Dec 17 09:30 |
| schestowitz | so it could instead just be continued | Dec 17 09:30 |
| schestowitz | similar to openoffice except trademark aspect | Dec 17 09:30 |
| psydroid | I think forking was mentioned in the context of GNU/Linux and BSD in particular, but maybe I'm mistaken about that | Dec 17 09:33 |
| schestowitz | bsd has forks | Dec 17 09:35 |
| schestowitz | that's why so many bsds exist | Dec 17 09:35 |
| schestowitz | and because of the licence there are even more out there that you cannot see | Dec 17 09:35 |
| psydroid | I don't see that as a bad thing, though | Dec 17 09:38 |
| psydroid | multiple operating systems under GPL borrowing code from each other would amount to something similar | Dec 17 09:40 |
| Ariadne | https://thwack.solarwinds.com/t5/Geek-Speak-Blogs/The-Pros-and-Cons-of-Open-source-Tools/ba-p/478665 | Dec 17 10:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thwack.solarwinds.com | The Pros and Cons of Open-source Tools - THWACK | Dec 17 10:09 | |
| Ariadne | using open source is like using a dirty fork | Dec 17 10:09 |
| Ariadne | according to solarwinds | Dec 17 10:09 |
| Ariadne | i would like to know what using solarwinds orion is like then | Dec 17 10:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/17/google-is-clownready/ | Dec 17 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Google is Going After What’s Left of Microsoft’s Dominance: MalwareOS or the Installed Base of Windows | Techrights | Dec 17 10:22 | |
| schestowitz | may be lots of typos still | Dec 17 10:22 |
| vZS1 | > vZS1: are the videos generally OK? I got limited feedback on those | Dec 17 10:25 |
| vZS1 | I have only watched the one on linux.com and I enjoyed it. I'll watch more this evening. I think it's okay to make short unscripted stuff. It keeps the ball rolling for that format of information for people that prefer videos. | Dec 17 10:26 |
| vZS1 | Any fork is legitimate. I have forked many things where I'm the only user of the fork. Sometimes I send patches upstream if I think the project would be interested. | Dec 17 10:28 |
| vZS1 | People should hack software to meet their own needs. | Dec 17 10:30 |
| Techrights-sec | Putting ChromeOS on old notebooks is a way of preventing general-purpose | Dec 17 10:33 |
| Techrights-sec | computer operating systems like GNU/Linux or *BSD from landing on them. | Dec 17 10:33 |
| Techrights-sec | Bot hM$ and Google and Apple want to prevent that and all of them | Dec 17 10:33 |
| Techrights-sec | depend on preventing that. | Dec 17 10:33 |
| Techrights-sec | Isn't ChromeOS based remotely on Gentoo or something? | Dec 17 10:33 |
| vZS1 | A fork doesn't need more than 1 user to be successful. This anti-fork mentality is a big reason why we ended up with the monopolies of today | Dec 17 10:35 |
| scientes | fork-knife-spoon | Dec 17 10:36 |
| scientes | Techrights-sec, that is not what it is about | Dec 17 10:36 |
| scientes | as evidenced by chromebooks not being available in Peru and other countries that cannot afford windows laptops | Dec 17 10:37 |
| scientes | Techrights-sec, strategically it was just a windows destabilization move | Dec 17 10:38 |
| vZS1 | You can only change one line of code for it to be a legitimate fork | Dec 17 10:38 |
| vZS1 | There's so many toxic myths around forking | Dec 17 10:38 |
| scientes | git was created for forks | Dec 17 10:39 |
| scientes | and linux is about forking | Dec 17 10:39 |
| vZS1 | You don't even need to know the whole codebase to fork something | Dec 17 10:39 |
| scientes | duh | Dec 17 10:39 |
| vZS1 | You just work on the bits that are relevant to you | Dec 17 10:39 |
| scientes | I suspect you haven't written anything | Dec 17 10:39 |
| vZS1 | It doesn't matter what the software is nor it's size. | Dec 17 10:42 |
| vZS1 | s/it's/its | Dec 17 10:42 |
| vZS1 | When there are a lot of forks, it means there are a lot of people that know how something works. This is ultimately why forking is demonised. | Dec 17 10:43 |
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| vZS1 | The people in control don't like competition. | Dec 17 10:46 |
| vZS1 | They can't implement their tactics that rely on monopoly and hegemony over an ecosystem | Dec 17 10:48 |
| vZS1 | When there are loads of forks floating around | Dec 17 10:48 |
| vZS1 | More importantly, when there are many people around capable of forking something | Dec 17 10:50 |
| search_social | guess so | Dec 17 10:55 |
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| Techrights-sec | https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/17/beet-d17.html | Dec 17 12:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | The contemporary relevance of Ludwig van Beethoven on the 250th anniversary of his birth - World Socialist Web Site | Dec 17 12:11 | |
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| AVRS | Hi. https://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2020-12-17_microsoft_i_mts_pridumalikak | Dec 17 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnews.ru | Microsoft и МТС придумали, как добиться «отзывчивости» умных устройств без 5G - CNews | Dec 17 12:40 | |
| AVRS | Microsoft and Russian telco MTS join their IoT forces. | Dec 17 12:40 |
| schestowitz | I thought they chose Canonical | Dec 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/world/europe/12raids.html | Dec 17 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Russia Uses Microsoft to Suppress Dissent - The New York Times | Dec 17 12:57 | |
| AVRS | MTS already runs Azure Stack (software) on its servers | Dec 17 13:03 |
| AVRS | since 2017, according to that article | Dec 17 13:04 |
| schestowitz | so mindless PR stunt? | Dec 17 13:15 |
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| zoobab | anyone at the virtual EPO conference on swpats/AI? | Dec 17 13:38 |
| zoobab | no more login | Dec 17 13:38 |
| zoobab | https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020.html | Dec 17 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - The role of patents in an AI driven world | Dec 17 13:38 | |
| zoobab | like last time | Dec 17 13:38 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: what exactly do you mean? | Dec 17 13:38 |
| AVRS | MTS is one of the about four largest cellular operators. | Dec 17 13:39 |
| zoobab | tried to register, it is too late, because | Dec 17 13:39 |
| MinceR | 17 084253 < vZS1> Sun's UNIX work is definitely more along the business-minded programming. | Dec 17 13:39 |
| MinceR | maybe that's why it sucks so hard | Dec 17 13:39 |
| zoobab | they advertise it the same dat | Dec 17 13:39 |
| zoobab | day | Dec 17 13:39 |
| MinceR | > GNU is definitely not UNIX because of this. | Dec 17 13:40 |
| MinceR | no, it's not Unix because the code in it has a different origin | Dec 17 13:40 |
| MinceR | in the good old days we had so much invention (and forking) going on in the GNU/Linux community | Dec 17 13:40 |
| zoobab | livestream at 3PM here: | Dec 17 13:48 |
| zoobab | https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020/broadcast.html | Dec 17 13:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Broadcast | Dec 17 13:48 | |
| MinceR | https://assets.amuniversal.com/dee045a0a4c70137b656005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-09-10 ) | Dec 17 13:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cause Of Unhappiness - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-09-10 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Dec 17 13:51 | |
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| AVRS | Who started "Linux/GNOME/X11"? | Dec 17 14:04 |
| schestowitz | mankind | Dec 17 14:04 |
| AVRS | Nah, the phrase. | Dec 17 14:04 |
| AVRS | Example: https://bugzil.la/1675766 | Dec 17 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1675766 - Ship Linux WebRender MVP to release | Dec 17 14:05 | |
| AVRS | I think I've also seen it in some blog recently, title something like "Linux is not a platform", but it's not https://linuxgamecast.com/2019/12/lwdw-200-linux-is-not-a-platform/ | Dec 17 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LWDW 200: Linux Is Not A Platform – LinuxGameCast | Dec 17 14:06 | |
| schestowitz | Linux is an OS kernel | Dec 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | a very extensive one, lots of drivers | Dec 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | many hardware bits supported | Dec 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | the rest does not matter | Dec 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | "OS" | Dec 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | "platform" | Dec 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | those are English terms and technical terms | Dec 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | but then you can talk about what constitutes a synonym of kernel | Dec 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | GNU is a collection is many programs | Dec 17 14:07 |
| AVRS | It looks like a replacement for "GNU/Linux/X11" | Dec 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | X11 does lots of graphics interfaces | Dec 17 14:08 |
| schestowitz | GNU is an early one | Dec 17 14:08 |
| schestowitz | 1983 | Dec 17 14:08 |
| schestowitz | is x11 still mit licence 100%? | Dec 17 14:08 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/ | Dec 17 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Keith Packard: Richard Stallman Was Right (About the GPL) | Techrights | Dec 17 14:09 | |
| schestowitz | rianne is trying to find my old external webcams | Dec 17 14:09 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYNzqgU7na4 | Dec 17 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why are British place names so hard to pronounce? - YouTube | Dec 17 14:09 | |
| schestowitz | we might use that for some videos... I have not used it for over 8 years | Dec 17 14:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: usually Welsh places | Dec 17 14:09 |
| MinceR | not really | Dec 17 14:10 |
| schestowitz | because they're not read like they're written by our measure of "English" | Dec 17 14:10 |
| MinceR | they seem to be more regular than this -cester, -w- and similar bullshit :> | Dec 17 14:10 |
| schestowitz | it is kind of bullshitty | Dec 17 14:10 |
| schestowitz | if you're not from here or there, you have to memorise these to not look or sound foolish | Dec 17 14:11 |
| schestowitz | never mind accents | Dec 17 14:11 |
| zoobab | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FxY_NAE-E4 | Dec 17 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The role of patents in an AI driven world - DAY 1 - YouTube | Dec 17 14:13 | |
| zoobab | Campinos live | Dec 17 14:13 |
| zoobab | need to fetch kids | Dec 17 14:13 |
| zoobab | tried to dl with youtube-dl, failed | Dec 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | is it just another one of those "HEY HI is great" events? | Dec 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | not even an event | Dec 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | some f*ers on a computer | Dec 17 14:14 |
| zoobab | AI | Dec 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | talking to cameras... | Dec 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | and they mean swpats | Dec 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | surely | Dec 17 14:14 |
| zoobab | all over | Dec 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | is there a web page for this? Or did they just "tweet" about it? | Dec 17 14:14 |
| zoobab | tweet | Dec 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | to "impress" the AC this week? | Dec 17 14:15 |
| zoobab | read my last tweets | Dec 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | I won't | Dec 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | you need to post outside twitter | Dec 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | twitter is another Fb now | Dec 17 14:15 |
| zoobab | https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020.html | Dec 17 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - The role of patents in an AI driven world | Dec 17 14:15 | |
| zoobab | https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020/broadcast.html | Dec 17 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Broadcast | Dec 17 14:15 | |
| schestowitz | this morning it officially stopped working without JS | Dec 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Twitter today is no longer accessible without proprietary spyware | Dec 17 14:16 |
| zoobab | https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020/programme.html | Dec 17 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Programme | Dec 17 14:16 | |
| zoobab | time for fucker | Dec 17 14:16 |
| zoobab | mirror Twitter to newsgroups | Dec 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | if you capture video... | Dec 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | I will play it back and do a video rbuttal | Dec 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm checking if I can find my very old webcam | Dec 17 14:18 |
| zoobab | epo said it will be online afterwards | Dec 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | ah, youtube I guess | Dec 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | so I can use it from there | Dec 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | please post the tweets here | Dec 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | regarding this issue | Dec 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | instead of that site | Dec 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | this way they're mirrored in logs also | Dec 17 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I wait for pleroma.site to come back online along with pleroma.fr | Dec 17 14:20 |
| schestowitz | we lost the bot due to that downtime | Dec 17 14:20 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: I will do a quick blog post about it | Dec 17 14:28 |
| schestowitz | try to capture the video of campinos in case they don't make it available afterwards | Dec 17 14:28 |
| smnthermes | > [11:06:29] AVRS: I think I've also seen it in some blog recently, title something like "Linux is not a platform" | Dec 17 14:34 |
| smnthermes | https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2019/12/04/there-is-no-linux-platform-1/ | Dec 17 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | There is no “Linux” Platform (Part 1) – Space and Meaning | Dec 17 14:34 | |
| smnthermes | This? | Dec 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: spotting any typos? http://techrights.org/2020/12/17/swpats-as-ai-and-4ir/ | Dec 17 14:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO is Promoting Software Patents This Week, Seeking to Impress the Administrative Council With Illegal Patents | Techrights | Dec 17 14:36 | |
| schestowitz | (or anyone else reading it?) | Dec 17 14:36 |
| vZS1 | > (which is now opposes) | Dec 17 14:36 |
| vZS1 | s/is/it | Dec 17 14:36 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: ^ | Dec 17 14:36 |
| vZS1 | From "Software Freedom is an Endless Cause" | Dec 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | where? | Dec 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | ah | Dec 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Dec 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | I did a video about the security FUD just now | Dec 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | still uploading | Dec 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | one take, mo script | Dec 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | typo fixed | Dec 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | see the EPO one | Dec 17 14:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure there are typos, I have not proofread it yet, doing 3 things at once | Dec 17 14:38 |
| vZS1 | I'll take a look this evening | Dec 17 14:39 |
| schestowitz | ty | Dec 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | it'll be up shortly | Dec 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | those videos are not served well | Dec 17 14:52 |
| schestowitz | the server isn't a media server | Dec 17 14:52 |
| schestowitz | at 700mb a minutes or more it's causing streams to buffer | Dec 17 14:52 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/12/17/zdnet-fud-2020/ | Dec 17 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: The FUD of the Month About GNU/Linux, Seeded by ZDNet and Similarly Awful Sites | Techrights | Dec 17 14:54 | |
| AVRS | schestowitz: yes. It doesn't say "Linux/GNOME/X11", so maybe I only found that article when trying to find other occurrences of that name. | Dec 17 14:55 |
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| AVRS | schestowitz: IPFS: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTFPDqBKthtDHqzcr9aCvXoVVG1g2bDzjfyyMvMrbhCnk?filename=december-security-fud.ogv | Dec 17 14:58 |
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| AVRS | hm, 77 MB | Dec 17 14:58 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: is that the size of the video? | Dec 17 14:58 |
| AVRS | Ignore that, I misunderstood the "700mb" | Dec 17 15:06 |
| zoobab | Campinos: "the Code challenge" | Dec 17 15:10 |
| zoobab | an insult to the profession | Dec 17 15:10 |
| zoobab | more spam for software development | Dec 17 15:16 |
| zoobab | 20% of European countries at the EPO | Dec 17 15:17 |
| zoobab | so | Dec 17 15:17 |
| zoobab | 80% of patents in this field are non-European | Dec 17 15:17 |
| zoobab | LOL | Dec 17 15:17 |
| zoobab | after that | Dec 17 15:17 |
| zoobab | they will say it's good for Europe | Dec 17 15:17 |
| zoobab | expert in "open source software" | Dec 17 15:21 |
| AVRS | What was it about GNOME Foundation letting a volunteer make GNOME Annual Report 2018 (<http://techrights.org/2019/06/27/krita-4-2-2/>), then she made it on Windows, and was "doxed" and sent nasty messages for a week after it was found out? | Dec 17 15:22 |
| AVRS | Here a GNOME person say it: https://twitter.com/bwyazel/status/1146871274871742465 | Dec 17 15:23 |
| AVRS | s | Dec 17 15:23 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/23/7e263c0424ead53c.mp4 | Dec 17 15:25 |
| AVRS | And one of the critics there says she'd been sent death threats once before. | Dec 17 15:26 |
| AVRS | Where is that from at all? | Dec 17 15:32 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: I watched the vid on ZDNet. Cracked me up. Lol | Dec 17 15:35 |
| schestowitz | cool | Dec 17 15:35 |
| schestowitz | I didn't script it | Dec 17 15:35 |
| schestowitz | just opened up the pages and started rolling | Dec 17 15:35 |
| schestowitz | I've just found my old webcam... minutes ago | Dec 17 15:36 |
| schestowitz | after 2 hours of searching the house | Dec 17 15:36 |
| schestowitz | wife and I tried to find it, looked in the wrong place | Dec 17 15:36 |
| schestowitz | so future vids I can do with better quality | Dec 17 15:36 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 | Dec 17 15:38 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: Is that worm a caterpillar? | Dec 17 15:39 |
| schestowitz | looks like it | Dec 17 15:39 |
| zoobab | https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020/programme.html#Gagnon | Dec 17 15:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Programme | Dec 17 15:39 | |
| schestowitz | [06:55] <vZS1> Link them pls | Dec 17 15:39 |
| schestowitz | [06:56] <schestowitz> along the lines of http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/ransomware-at-zdnet/ | Dec 17 15:39 |
| schestowitz | [06:56] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- techrights.org | ZDNet Calls Windows Ransomware “Linux” to Keep Pages About Linux Full of Fear-Mongering Nonsense | Techrights | Dec 17 15:39 |
| schestowitz | [06:56] <schestowitz> first pattern: https://threatpost.com/gitpaste-12-worm-widens-exploits/162290/ | Dec 17 15:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet Calls Windows Ransomware “Linux” to Keep Pages About Linux Full of Fear-Mongering Nonsense | Techrights | Dec 17 15:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gitpaste-12 Worm Widens Set of Exploits in New Attacks | Threatpost | Dec 17 15:39 | |
| schestowitz | [06:56] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Gitpaste-12 Worm Widens Set of Exploits in New Attacks | Threatpost | Dec 17 15:39 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: I'm going to read all that on Saturday. | Dec 17 15:41 |
| zoobab | "Paul is an expert in data licensing and open-source software." | Dec 17 15:41 |
| vZS1 | Got it in my calendar already | Dec 17 15:42 |
| zoobab | Rachel Free | Dec 17 15:50 |
| zoobab | https://cms.law/en/gbr/people/rachel-free | Dec 17 15:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cms.law | Free Rachel | Partner | Intellectual Property | TMIC | CMS UK | International Law Firm CMS | Dec 17 15:51 | |
| zoobab | "Rachel is a UK and European patent attorney with an MSc in Artificial Intelligence and a DPhil in vision science. She helps clients protect their technology through patents in a wide variety of fields, including AI, software, construction, infrastructure and telecommunications. She also provides training and advice regarding AI ethics and AI regulation." | Dec 17 15:51 |
| schestowitz | lol | Dec 17 15:55 |
| schestowitz | HEY HI | Dec 17 15:55 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/704049.jpg | Dec 17 15:58 |
| zoobab | they have this robot Data | Dec 17 16:01 |
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| scientes | MinceR, was it founded by Forrest Gump? | Dec 17 16:08 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Dec 17 16:09 |
| zoobab | AI generated patents will be sentenced by jail time | Dec 17 16:12 |
| zoobab | I was told | Dec 17 16:12 |
| zoobab | that would be fun to go to jail | Dec 17 16:13 |
| zoobab | Let's write an AI patent generator over the weekend | Dec 17 16:13 |
| MinceR | will it just pick a random existing patent and append "but on a computer" to the title? | Dec 17 16:14 |
| MinceR | or "but with a computer" | Dec 17 16:14 |
| scientes | zoobab, you really don't have to mock them | Dec 17 16:14 |
| zoobab | it only helps the flood | Dec 17 16:14 |
| zoobab | trolls do the job anyway | Dec 17 16:14 |
| zoobab | if we loose that fight, we should turn into a giant patent troll | Dec 17 16:15 |
| zoobab | and shut down those large companies | Dec 17 16:15 |
| zoobab | that way competition is restored | Dec 17 16:15 |
| zoobab | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/eus-digital-markets-act-there-lot-room-improvement | Dec 17 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | The EU’s Digital Markets Act: There Is A Lot To Like, but Room for Improvement | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Dec 17 16:17 | |
| zoobab | "Let a thousand app stores bloom" <- my ass | Dec 17 16:17 |
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| zoobab | https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2020/12/16/breaking-5g-curve-looking-beyond-u-s-patent-system/id=128270/ | Dec 17 16:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipwatchdog.com | Breaking the 5G Curve by Looking Beyond the U.S. Patent System | Dec 17 16:49 | |
| zoobab | 80K patents on 5G | Dec 17 16:49 |
| zoobab | WTH | Dec 17 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | As expected, lots of news after the Putin's press conference. | Dec 17 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/12/17/just-keeping-an-eye-on-him | Dec 17 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Dec 17 16:50 | |
| XRevan86 | 1. admits spying on Navalny; 2. denies poisoning on the grounds of him still being alive. | Dec 17 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | Great stuff, exactly as expected. The bit that FSB coordinated with chemical laboratories while following Navalny was ignored completely. | Dec 17 16:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is filing an antitrust lawsuit against Google and while he's not wrong on the points, he pretty much trashed his credibility with Texas v. Pennsylvania. | Dec 17 16:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's filing it in state courts where he probably has more influence, but it can be appealed out into the federal system and Google can even request that the judge handling the federal case merge it with the existing federal lawsuit to only have to deal with one case. | Dec 17 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then Apple did something right for once and introduced a permission that is opt out by default for targeted ads in apps in iOS 14. | Dec 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: I've just made a video about this EPO event | Dec 17 16:58 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: I am uploading it right now | Dec 17 16:58 |
| schestowitz | 110 MB | Dec 17 16:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Facebook filed an antitrust suit against Apple, claiming that it will hurt small business, and they can "self regulate" and they're also filing motions on behalf of Epic Games over Fortnite because it's free brownie points, and once they knock over Apple's embargo on no third party payments, Facebook won't have to pay them royalties on microtransactions either. | Dec 17 16:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/12/16/22178068/facebook-apple-newspaper-ads-ios-privacy-changes | Dec 17 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads - The Verge | Dec 17 16:58 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft has controls in Windows 10 for whether apps can access your "advertising ID" or not, but like all of the privacy violation knobs, they say Windows will work better if you leave it on. | Dec 17 17:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The keylogger knob, inking and typing personalization, can be turned off and all that happens is Windows uses a local spelling check dictionary instead. | Dec 17 17:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They mention in Edge that while Bing InPrivate search doesn't track you in InPrivate mode if it's the default search engine, that inking and typing personalization in Windows would send them your data from such a session anyway, if it is turned on. | Dec 17 17:01 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i'm watching your video | Dec 17 17:01 |
| CrystalMath | Bleeping Computer was some company that created tutorials on how to do things with computers | Dec 17 17:02 |
| CrystalMath | and other stuff | Dec 17 17:02 |
| CrystalMath | that's the people that are now in ZDNet | Dec 17 17:02 |
| CrystalMath | i think Bleeping Computer also wanted to do tech news | Dec 17 17:02 |
| CrystalMath | they're very microsoft-focused | Dec 17 17:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the InPrivate mode would be an even better tool to spy because you are likely to filter yourself less if you think it's private, and then inking and typing personalization sends them all the stuff anyway. | Dec 17 17:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | My guess is that they tell the truth about Bing InPrivate and rely on most users having left personalization on so it sends them the data from another source. | Dec 17 17:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I caught Windows telling them the apps I was using despite basic telemetry, and all they let you do is wipe your history manually. | Dec 17 17:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It only seems to make note of signed apps. | Dec 17 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because Fallout New Vegas was in there and signed by GoG, but Qbitttorrent and PeaZip were not | Dec 17 17:07 |
| zoobab | full video now: | Dec 17 17:12 |
| zoobab | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FxY_NAE-E4 | Dec 17 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The role of patents in an AI driven world - DAY 1 - YouTube | Dec 17 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | cheers | Dec 17 17:13 |
| schestowitz | I will add the ref | Dec 17 17:13 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: pro-Microsoft, too | Dec 17 17:14 |
| schestowitz | the names suggest it's balkan-based | Dec 17 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | (not that I am criticising that) | Dec 17 17:14 |
| schestowitz | (they have many Microsoft drones in places like Romania) | Dec 17 17:14 |
| CrystalMath | well it was founded by Lawrence Abrams | Dec 17 17:15 |
| CrystalMath | back in 2004 | Dec 17 17:15 |
| CrystalMath | they certainly have a presence here, but | Dec 17 17:16 |
| CrystalMath | i think the headquarters are in the UK | Dec 17 17:16 |
| schestowitz | many things are | Dec 17 17:16 |
| schestowitz | even if it's merely a registration | Dec 17 17:17 |
| schestowitz | with a shared office | Dec 17 17:17 |
| CrystalMath | PCWorld magazine liked to link to them | Dec 17 17:17 |
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| CrystalMath | back in the 2000s | Dec 17 17:18 |
| schestowitz | it's crap now | Dec 17 17:20 |
| schestowitz | and apparently brain-drained if they ever had brains | Dec 17 17:20 |
| schestowitz | now it's clickbait artists | Dec 17 17:20 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://techrights.org/2020/12/17/swpats-as-ai-and-4ir/ | Dec 17 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | I will have the video up shortly, it's still uploading | Dec 17 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO is Promoting Software Patents This Week, Seeking to Impress the Administrative Council With Illegal Patents | Techrights | Dec 17 17:22 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think that if they got rid of all of the obnoxious advertising, then people wouldn't be so aggravated about Windows 10. | Dec 17 18:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But out of the box it's nearly as bad as all the junk and trialware Microsoft claimed they wanted rid of. What they meant was to make more room for their own. | Dec 17 18:10 |
| scientes | you ever get tired of being tired? | Dec 17 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why are they preloading desktop applications for Office anyway if they say that it's frozen in time and not to use that and to sign up to give them a constant trickle of blood? | Dec 17 18:11 |
| scientes | I know I do | Dec 17 18:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Functionally, the desktop versions aren't clearly much better than the online version is anyway, because they have it priced out such that if you register 2019 then you pay them as much as five years of subscribing to 365. | Dec 17 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that there's more room for Free Software to hit Microsoft where it hurts on Office than there is on Windows. | Dec 17 18:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19687457 | Dec 17 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US had 3,538 #covid19 deaths yesterday and the person who downplayed it wants to implement a #coup | Dec 17 18:16 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. | Dec 17 18:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | And it's certainly no coincidence that the federal government wasn't allowed to admit that until Trump lost the election and then tried to de-legitimize democracy while he compiles a list of criminals to pardon (probably including himself and his whole family) on the way out the door. | Dec 17 18:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My take is that the theory he'd resign and have Pence do it is ridiculous because Trump is so paranoid at this point that everyone in his circle is trying to shove a knife in his back, especially if that really means refusing to openly break the law and/or do things for him when there's no guarantee he'll save their skins on the way out after the deeds are done. | Dec 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: many superspreaders round the xmas dinner table | Dec 17 18:20 |
| schestowitz | I heard a TV show about it yesterday | Dec 17 18:20 |
| schestowitz | at the barber shop | Dec 17 18:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And he's probably right. It would be a less risky bet to pardon himself on the last day and then take his chances arguing that the Nixon memo is wrong and the president can absolutely pardon anyone for any crime that has already happened. | Dec 17 18:20 |
| schestowitz | it's really that bad, 4 hours with many people, food, aerosols | Dec 17 18:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only limit the Supreme Court has ever put on the pardon is that the president can't pardon ongoing and future crimes. | Dec 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | whoad | Dec 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | 61,569 | Dec 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | in CALIFORNIA | Dec 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | just yesterday | Dec 17 18:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bill Clinton tried to get his brother Roger out of the mess of his past with a clean slate before he left office, and then Roger wasted it and started getting in hot water again almost right away. | Dec 17 18:22 |
| schestowitz | whoa | Dec 17 18:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump can pardon certain people for the shady things they've already done, at the federal level, if he wants. | Dec 17 18:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | But even if his argument holds up in federal court, it doesn't save anyone, including him, from the court system in the states. | Dec 17 18:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And New York did not repeal that law that didn't let them go after people who had federal pardons for no reason, you know. | Dec 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://techrights.org/2020/12/17/epo-ai-event/ | Dec 17 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They know he was likely to pardon himself, so they got out ahead of it and repealed the law so that they can prosecute him after he leaves, even if he pardons himself. | Dec 17 18:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: What the European Patent Office Means by AI and 4IR (a Plot to Advance Illegal Software Patents) | Techrights | Dec 17 18:24 | |
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| schestowitz | took over an hour just to upload | Dec 17 18:24 |
| schestowitz | less than 10 minutes to do | Dec 17 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's going to be a major criminal trial for Trump in a Manhattan court room. | Dec 17 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the prosecutor wants to hedge their bets, they can just keep filing one charge at a time until a jury convicts him of something. | Dec 17 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's old and in bad health. | Dec 17 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he gets sentenced for even 10% of what he's done he may never get out of prison. | Dec 17 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I do agree with their decision to limit the size of the stimulus checks and who they can go to. | Dec 17 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Frittering away money on people who are well to do and who have not lost their jobs leaves less money in the pot to try to shore up unemployment benefits. | Dec 17 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MARISOL and her "dick in a jar on her shelf" husband, Mark, were grousing that they didn't get the checks the last time. | Dec 17 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As if it was anyone else's fault that they make almost $350,000 a year and still have major lawsuits against them from credit cards and the mortgage people. | Dec 17 18:28 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/703898.jpg | Dec 17 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 35% unemployed an those rich fraudsters are angry that they didn't get one car repair bill for the Beemer covered by Uncle Sam. | Dec 17 18:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Totally shameless. | Dec 17 18:29 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: it names you | Dec 17 18:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Smart people realize that when it's costing you a third of what the car was when it was new to drive the car for a year, you get rid of it, for whatever you can get. | Dec 17 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't go around pleading poverty when they should have lots of money in the bank. | Dec 17 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not so easy to get out of your obligations when you would have to go tell a bankruptcy court you make $3.5 million over a ten year period and chose to pay for something other than the mortgage. | Dec 17 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nor should it be. | Dec 17 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was a lot of the point behind the 2005 bankruptcy law. You had a lot of people who were hardly poor buying boats and maxing out the cards because it's never enough and then getting it all discharged every 7 years. | Dec 17 18:32 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Not really sure why folks were complaining that they didn't get a $1,200 check when they were doing more than fine. | Dec 17 18:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Better than ever. | Dec 17 18:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Working from home bouncing emails around while everyone else lost their job or had to go in and be exposed to COVID to do real work. | Dec 17 18:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If that's not the most let them eat cake thing ever, I don't really know what is. | Dec 17 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many of the costs to getting stuff done are middle managers and "What would you say it is...you do...here?" people, and that goes 10x for healthcare. | Dec 17 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If CTCA was responsibly managed and wanted to survive without looking for a bigger fish to gobble them up, it would be a bloodbath of politicians and managers like MARISOL and they could probably right the ship. | Dec 17 18:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | That's what I don't get about Libertarian ideas for privatization. | Dec 17 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because many corporations are managed even less efficiently than a government agency. | Dec 17 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't have to be managed well if they're a cartel with a mandatory product, like cancer treatments. | Dec 17 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yet somehow despite this, they're having cash flow issues anyway. | Dec 17 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someday, maybe soon, if they don't attract a buyer, and this is total speculation, but maybe the FBI will be in there with IRS special agents toting boxes out. | Dec 17 18:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They had to cut off the political graft due to the cash shortage, which is when such vulnerabilities arise. | Dec 17 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the thing about bribes. They're very much a what have you done for me lately thing. You're not buying friends, you're buying time. | Dec 17 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you're bribing a blackmailer, you keep it up until you either don't need them or can't afford it anymore. | Dec 17 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: our gym is shutting down again | Dec 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | 20 days | Dec 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | more time for me online, will exercise at home instead | Dec 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:34] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Not really sure why folks were complaining that they didn't get a $1,200 check when they were doing more than fine. | Dec 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | That's an oversimplification | Dec 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | and overgeneralisation | Dec 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | some of them have kids they send to college | Dec 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | and there are other edges cases you must think of | Dec 17 18:53 |
| schestowitz | moreover, they did NOT know COVID was coming | Dec 17 18:53 |
| schestowitz | no way to anticipate this | Dec 17 18:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/12/16/why-make-the-dogs-bark-a-tale-from-communist-bulgaria/ | Dec 17 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Make the Dogs Bark: a Tale from Communist Bulgaria - CounterPunch.org | Dec 17 18:54 | |
| XRevan86 | > Bulgaria is a black, black country. The people are bloody, bloody. | Dec 17 18:58 |
| XRevan86 | Um, excuse me, it's a bloc country, not a black country. | Dec 17 18:58 |
| MinceR | black is now block, so no difference | Dec 17 19:05 |
| smnthermes | https://upload.blabber.im/21eb7a5644cd9dc4/b680e548eadf5b7a.jpg | Dec 17 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "moreover, they did NOT know COVI"> I think that's why Maricel turned on us and tried to shake us down. They're broke, she hates me anyway. | Dec 17 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She probably figured if she caused our marriage to collapse, it would remove Mandy, who had become a liability, and force him back to the Philippines. | Dec 17 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't believe that they accepted her trying to weasel her way out of that contract, honestly. | Dec 17 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, I guess we'll find out and I'm prepared to do something else to get us through that if the need arises. | Dec 17 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think she found some dirty lawyer who probably charged her over $1,000 to send a letter to immigration and that's where it all stops. | Dec 17 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know how lawyers are. | Dec 17 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom's church friend hired a disability lawyer and Social Security told them she didn't have enough work credits, so she asked her lawyer what she would do and he said "I guess you'll have to go back to work and get some credits.". | Dec 17 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Translation: "There's no money in this for me. I'm not putting more hours in. Goodbye and good luck.". | Dec 17 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She sent Mandy a picture of a receipt for an immigration lawyer over in Gurnee to harass him. She said, "I'm going to bring them in and get you out of here! And you're going to pay for this too!". | Dec 17 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But she scribbled out the amount of money. | Dec 17 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I opened the jpeg on my computer and it was $250. | Dec 17 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy asked what that would do. I said, "They'll sit and talk with you for 15 minutes.". | Dec 17 19:12 |
| schestowitz | [19:05] <DaemonFC[m]> <schestowitz "moreover, they did NOT know COVI"> I think that's why Maricel turned on us and tried to shake us down. They're broke, she hates me anyway. | Dec 17 19:13 |
| schestowitz | yes, told you so | Dec 17 19:13 |
| schestowitz | keep a distance | Dec 17 19:13 |
| schestowitz | physically too | Dec 17 19:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She scribbled it out until you couldn't make it out on her iPhone I guess. | Dec 17 19:13 |
| schestowitz | "oh, noes... not ma phone!!!!" | Dec 17 19:13 |
| schestowitz | (pawn shop smiling) | Dec 17 19:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's really poking the bear. | Dec 17 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doubt she knows that. | Dec 17 19:15 |
| Ariadne | https://jerrygamblin.com/2020/12/17/cve-stuffing/ | Dec 17 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CVE Stuffing – JerryGamblin.com | Dec 17 19:24 | |
| Ariadne | i wonder who is doing this | Dec 17 19:24 |
| schestowitz | https://ubuntu.com//blog/telco-and-ubuntu-2020-roundup | Dec 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | "In November, MTS, Russia’s largest mobile operator and a leading provider of media and digital services, announced the selection of Canonical’s Charmed OpenStack to power the company’s next-generation cloud infrastructure. The company mentioned that this is the foundation of the 5G rollout that would come in the following months, enhancing their network’s edge compute capabilities." | Dec 17 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Telco and Ubuntu: 2020 roundup | Ubuntu | Dec 17 19:25 | |
| schestowitz | to avrs (he's gone now) | Dec 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | offline/away | Dec 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | mentioned this earlier today in re russia | Dec 17 19:26 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/TnkHxpK.jpeg | Dec 17 19:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | IF the stimulus bill goes through, that would be great news. | Dec 17 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't count it as earned income, but it is money in a bank account, which makes it a liquid asset on the worksheet, which is 20% as good as income for that year. | Dec 17 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For immigration. | Dec 17 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's basically like saying you had about $300 more income that year. It helps. | Dec 17 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's two ways to list money for sponsorship purposes. Income and assets. They count any liquid asset that is cash or cash-like, which could be used to help cover your living expenses that year if the need happened. | Dec 17 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The worksheet says if you can't get to the income requirement, you can list assets to help you make up the difference. It takes a lot of assets to equal a small amount of income, but it can put you over the top if it's a close call. | Dec 17 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's also no ambiguity about whether new public charge applies. It's not supposed to because we filed before it went into effect, but even if that wasn't the case, the courts have struck it down and Biden says he would have gotten rid of it anyway. | Dec 17 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So we've got some wind at our backs on this that, frankly, I didn't think was even a possibility. | Dec 17 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's legacy is 8 new miles of border fencing, early death from COVID for his useful idiots, and 50% higher drug prices. McConnell went through 4 paragraphs of Fantasy Documents about Trump's achievements. | Dec 17 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Including relatively low black unemployment, which was the first casualty of the Coronavirus. It doubled from there, to 14% (officially) right now. | Dec 17 19:43 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Local residents have filed a lawsuit to prevent Trump from living at Mar-a-Lago, in violation of both agreements, of which they are well aware. Thus it will be up to the courts and the town council whether Trump can live there and what they will do if he just moves in and stays longer than 7 consecutive days. There is already bad blood between Trump and the council. There is a local ordinance that states that | Dec 17 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | flagpoles may not be higher than 30 feet. Trump had one that was 50 feet high. The town demanded that he replace it with a 30-foot pole. So what did Trump do? He had a landscaping firm construct a 20-foot high hill and then he put a 30-foot pole on it." | Dec 17 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have to admit the hill with the pole is probably how I would have handled them. | Dec 17 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | https://process-one.net/blog/ejabberd-20-12/ | Dec 17 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.process-one.net | ejabberd 20.12 | ProcessOne | Dec 17 20:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | This state budget is the worst by far. | Dec 17 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois Democrats budgeted for a federal bailout of $5 billion that obviously never would happen and a tax hike amendment that might not pass and raised spending. | Dec 17 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then when it didn't pass, it cut some of that new spending and said it was austerity and that people would feel the harm from the spending that we didn't have before being cut. | Dec 17 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Governor announced some sort of PC recycling program for poor families. | Dec 17 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I doubt they're putting Linux on them. | Dec 17 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft probably "generously" offered "Free" licenses for Windows 10 for the program. | Dec 17 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AFAIK, they're mostly older systems that were meant to run Windows 7, so while they probably can run Windows 10, it won't be pretty. | Dec 17 20:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19688189 | Dec 17 20:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 61,569 new #covid19 cases in #California just yesterday. And today's US numbers are over 2,000 deaths by 3PM Eastern Time. | Dec 17 20:16 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you mean RUN BY Vista 10 | Dec 17 20:16 |
| schestowitz | or run over by | Dec 17 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Microsoft stated that it prioritized improving the security of Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 above finishing Windows Vista, thus delaying its completion.[10][11]" | Dec 17 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ahh, revisionism. | Dec 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | yeah, common | Dec 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | wikipedia? | Dec 17 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The delay was because they started out basing the development builds on Windows XP and adding so much crap that it was eventually too unstable to use at all. | Dec 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | controlled by Microsoft PR agents | Dec 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | we covered that | Dec 17 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they did the development reset and based it on Windows 2003 and salvaged what they could. | Dec 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | what does wiki say about winfs lol | Dec 17 20:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: maybe you can write a short article about this | Dec 17 20:41 |
| schestowitz | inc. links | Dec 17 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have a pretty big article on it, mainly saving face by saying some of its ideas were recycled into other products. | Dec 17 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that doesn't really mean that it wasn't a disaster. | Dec 17 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was getting some of the Longhorn builds including ones that leaked. | Dec 17 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that the only one that Microsoft tapped out on that actually had any hope was Windows Neptune, the consumer sku of Windows 2000. | Dec 17 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They decided that it was taking too long and that it would be easier to hit people up for cash with another Windows 9x refresh that was slightly improved as a stopgap to XP. | Dec 17 20:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think the major purpose of Windows Me was to try to kick developers in the nuts and leave them painfully aware that there was no way to continue giving their customers DOS applications going forward. | Dec 17 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They knew most of the people who got it would be OEM preinstalls, not upgrades, and that it gave them about a year to signal to developers to knock it off with the new DOS apps. | Dec 17 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was basically Windows 98 with some rudimentary Windows 2000/XP stuff bolted on and no obvious way to boot into DOS. | Dec 17 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think one of the more spectacular fails was that System Restore stopped working right after they shipped it because of a time and date bug and they had to do a hotfix. | Dec 17 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The more reliable ways of managing a PC with Windows 9x were off limits now and System Restore, which often caused more problems, was the official replacement. | Dec 17 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would do things like your programs would still be there, but the ones which were installed after the restore point wouldn't have their registry settings and would malfunction. | Dec 17 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or it would end up restoring a virus that you had successfully removed. | Dec 17 20:50 |
| schestowitz | to write something about this we need a tidier chronology | Dec 17 20:51 |
| schestowitz | no doubt they distort history | Dec 17 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember one time I made a restore point before installing a DirectX update, and then the update went badly and caused crashes in games that had been working okay with the older libraries. So I go to use a restore point and instead of bringing back the version that worked, it broke DirectX entirely and I had to reinstall Windows. | Dec 17 20:51 |
| schestowitz | because not only Microsoft does that, but Microsoft does this more blatantly and shamelessly | Dec 17 20:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: in older windows you needed to manually install dx | Dec 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | cannot recall which version | Dec 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | maybe win95 | Dec 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | some games asked you to add it | Dec 17 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I got into the habit of turning System Restore off and taking my chances because all it did was hog space on the hard drive and further corrupt Windows, and you were in for a reinstall anyway at some point. | Dec 17 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not having good backups is suicide, but it was actually a lot worse with 9x because it was a complete wreck, especially after IE4 and the new shell update. | Dec 17 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Microsoft sent me a version to try out with the expectation that I would review it, and when I mentioned the system restore problems and not being able to get into DOS as major problems, I stopped hearing much from them anymore. | Dec 17 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think I said it was unbelievable that major new software titles were "released last year for DOS and now there's no way to get into it". | Dec 17 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XP (the 32-bit version) was okay-ish with DOS applications with a program called VDM Sound or something. | Dec 17 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was this open source bolt-on that pretended it was a sound blaster card. | Dec 17 20:59 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/703896.jpg | Dec 17 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I don't want your germs." Twister. | Dec 17 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Please don't speak. You might be transmitting viruses, and the typical human nonsense I don't want to hear anyway." | Dec 17 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Thank you for your cooperation." | Dec 17 21:02 |
| MinceR | Twister? But I don't even know 'er! | Dec 17 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/us/north-carolina-governor-pardons-wrongful-convictions/index.html | Dec 17 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NC governor pardons 5, including man wrongly imprisoned for 44 years - CNN | Dec 17 21:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You were wrongly imprisoned for 44 years. Please accept a pardon which establishes your guilt, but the state forgives you for being wrongly imprisoned for 44 years. | Dec 17 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You cost the state an awful lot of money by making us wrongfully imprison you for 44 years like that, what with the all-white jury full of Klansmen. | Dec 17 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But we forgive you. | Dec 17 21:08 |
| MinceR | that's like the leader of the International Pedophile Party "forgave" Galilei | Dec 17 21:10 |
| MinceR | or something like that | Dec 17 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know it cost the state a lot of money to pay the police overtime to fabricate all of that evidence. | Dec 17 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We could bill you if we wanted to, but we pardon that too. | Dec 17 21:10 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/23/1dd6837d38c92f83.mp4 | Dec 17 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then what does it say about the court system in North Carolina when the Attorney General knew the guy was innocent and had to go to federal courts asking them to overturn the conviction? | Dec 17 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The pardons make them eligible to file a claim under a state law that allows compensation to persons wrongly convicted of felonies." | Dec 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whatever compensation there is for 44 years of your life gone, I'm certain that it's an insult. | Dec 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It is in Illinois.... | Dec 17 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they wrongfully convict you and you somehow prove it later, you get $5 for each DAY that you shouldn't have been in prison. | Dec 17 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Same applies for sitting in jail waiting on trial and then beating the charges. | Dec 17 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you lost your job, your wife left you, the accusations have scandalized you. | Dec 17 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Here's $300. | Dec 17 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's damage from just being accused of something, which the state does to people wholesale, in fact. | Dec 17 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There is no "win" once you've been accused of anything. | Dec 17 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You spent a fortune fighting them off and then you still have an arrest record that shows what they said you did. | Dec 17 21:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/us/tn-bill-lee-comments-vaccines-covid-trnd/index.html | Dec 17 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tennessee governor: 'One thing this vaccine will not solve or cure is selfishness' - CNN | Dec 17 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's putting a full spectacle on greed and stupidity, honestly. | Dec 17 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are antivaxxers out taking a moment to continue their claims that all vaccines are bad and dangerous. | Dec 17 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And there's people who are using the shortage to con people out of money, of course. | Dec 17 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then there's the people trying to skip the line because they have more money. | Dec 17 21:18 |
| schestowitz | it's sad, is it not? | Dec 17 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like the sinking of the Titanic where they have half as many lifeboats as they need, so they lock all of the 3rd class passengers up to drown. | Dec 17 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Gates and MS media spin it all as if the vaccine critics are all cranks | Dec 17 21:19 |
| schestowitz | for this PARTICULAR 'vaccine'... a clinical trial | Dec 17 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They could make more, if they wanted to. | Dec 17 21:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe that'll harm more | Dec 17 21:20 |
| schestowitz | and they want just enough for their clinical/criminal trial | Dec 17 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government isn't too concerned with actually ending this as much as it is getting the people it cares about immune to it. | Dec 17 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I honestly speak to my parents and in laws | Dec 17 21:20 |
| schestowitz | and they took flu shots | Dec 17 21:20 |
| schestowitz | yet they do NOT want the COVID one | Dec 17 21:20 |
| schestowitz | too early | Dec 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | many unknowns | Dec 17 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My grandmother will be getting one. | Dec 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | good luck | Dec 17 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom said she signed the papers for it because she has legal guardianship over her mother and she said she wanted it. | Dec 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | she does not have much to lose | Dec 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I mean, if they're near the end | Dec 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | pfizer killed many grandpas with viagra | Dec 17 21:22 |
| schestowitz | not it can have a go at grandmas too | Dec 17 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She is. She shouldn't have dementia, but she does because she was letting her blood sugar skyrocket by living off toaster pastries during the last years where she was in her home and nobody was telling her what to do. | Dec 17 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only reason anyone forced her to go to the nursing home was because she started slipping so bad that she was at least two years past when they should have taken the car keys. | Dec 17 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She would admit that she went out driving and forgot where she was going. | Dec 17 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Finally she wrecked the Cadillac into someone and totaled both the cars. | Dec 17 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Broke her neck. Ended up in the hospital. | Dec 17 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hooked up to an IV telling us to buy emergency supplies because ISIS would bomb the power plants on Christmas of 2015 because they hated Jesus. | Dec 17 21:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The doctor took me aside and asked if she was delusional. I said, "Because of the ISIS thing? No that's no worse than she's been for the last 20 years.". | Dec 17 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He didn't know what was going on because a lot of people have hallucinatory effects from breaking a bone or being on pain medicine. | Dec 17 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told the doctor, "In 1999 she shoved a ton of pantry goods under the beds in her house because all the power plants were going to melt down in 2000, and then in 2006 my mom's ex husband broke his toe on some sugar that had turned into a brick.". | Dec 17 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In 1996, she said the world would end because America was growing too lenient on the gays, and then it wasn't going to end because Pat Robertson said God told him he changed his mind and was giving us one more chance.". | Dec 17 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: QAnon isn't new. They just finally have a name for what's wrong with conservatives. Their latest one was that a minor earthquake in Maine was the military blowing up an underground secret base with 50,000 soldiers of the People's Liberation Army. | Dec 17 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And you laugh, but you have people like this where you are, and they cause problems. | Dec 17 21:30 |
| schestowitz | People's Liberation Army? | Dec 17 21:30 |
| schestowitz | PLA? | Dec 17 21:30 |
| schestowitz | what'sit? | Dec 17 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Chinese military. | Dec 17 21:30 |
| schestowitz | that's what I thought | Dec 17 21:30 |
| schestowitz | but... | Dec 17 21:30 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Dec 17 21:30 |
| schestowitz | in the US | Dec 17 21:31 |
| schestowitz | 50k Chinese troops | Dec 17 21:31 |
| schestowitz | ? | Dec 17 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They invaded Maine and then stole the plot the Soviets had in the last season of Stranger Things. | Dec 17 21:31 |
| schestowitz | link? | Dec 17 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Underground bunker hidden by a mall in Indiana. | Dec 17 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's a caricature of what they actually believe | Dec 17 21:31 |
| schestowitz | they believe lots of crap | Dec 17 21:31 |
| schestowitz | but 50k 'hidden' Chinese troops in the US? | Dec 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | It's not like they even look alike | Dec 17 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.businessinsider.com/no-truth-to-conspiracy-us-bombing-chinese-troops-invading-maine-2020-12 | Dec 17 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | No truth to conspiracy about US bombing Chinese troops invading Maine - Business Insider | Dec 17 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | and that theory can cause attacks on Asian/Americans | Dec 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's a straw man | Dec 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | that site has a paywall | Dec 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | or gate/wall | Dec 17 21:32 |
| MinceR | Polylactic acid, or polylactide (PLA) | Dec 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | qanon takes that | Dec 17 21:33 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 17 21:33 |
| schestowitz | they used to link to techrights re gates, but distorted it | Dec 17 21:33 |
| schestowitz | all sorts of weird misinterpretations | Dec 17 21:33 |
| schestowitz | linked to the idea that there's a sinister plot among all rich elites, inc. CEOs, to screw kids | Dec 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | and that Trump was "Cleaning up" | Dec 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | or something weird like that | Dec 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Trump was the one who wanted to screw his OWN young kid | Dec 17 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cleaning up evidence of his participation, most likely. | Dec 17 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cameras all malfunction at the exact moment the guards take a smoke break. | Dec 17 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then Epstein suicides with something he managed to slip past them while he was on suicide watch. | Dec 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | we have the full will | Dec 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | the last amended one | Dec 17 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty clear that plenty of people including Trump and Gates wanted him gone. | Dec 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | with gates' right-hand man named in it | Dec 17 21:36 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/19/jeffrey-epstein-will-and-death/ | Dec 17 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Original Document That Shows ‘Executor’ (of the Will) of Jeffrey Epstein is Very Close Associate of Bill Gates | Techrights | Dec 17 21:36 | |
| schestowitz | A small world, ain't it? | Dec 17 21:37 |
| schestowitz | one say you save the world from covid, previous day you conspire with a child trafficker to launder his name | Dec 17 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CNN says Lego won't make modern military toys "so others are stepping in". | Dec 17 21:37 |
| schestowitz | same thing after all... | Dec 17 21:37 |
| schestowitz | saving the world and covering up a paedophila ring | Dec 17 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How courageous. We can continue throwing money into a pit when a shooting war between the US and China would be a disaster for both sides. | Dec 17 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nuclear weapons are what discourages it. | Dec 17 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not some troops standing around on a base. | Dec 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | maybe plastic ballistic missiles | Dec 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | with grooves and round ridges on them | Dec 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | LEGO | Dec 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | "made in denMARK" | Dec 17 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.wabi.tv/2020/12/08/mount-everest-even-taller-than-we-thought/ | Dec 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Voting on how tall a mountain is. | Dec 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Okay... | Dec 17 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wabi.tv | Mount Everest even taller than we thought | Dec 17 21:40 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/12/17/grand-haven-man-porn-collection/3946356001/ | Dec 17 21:42 |
| schestowitz | anything to distract from what's important? | Dec 17 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freep.com | Michigan parents must pay son back after purging porn collection | Dec 17 21:42 | |
| schestowitz | US is all about lawsuits | Dec 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | litigation nation | Dec 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | many lawyers/capita | Dec 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | and even family is "BUSINESS" | Dec 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | so people have their "legal department"... not just for divorce settlements | Dec 17 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems odd that anyone would spend $26,000 on porn and sex toys. | Dec 17 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And even stranger that they'd file a lawsuit about it that would end up all over the news. | Dec 17 21:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | You'd think that you would want that kept quiet because anyone can type your name into google. | Dec 17 21:45 |
| schestowitz | maybe the publicly was wantd | Dec 17 21:49 |
| schestowitz | but not by the parents | Dec 17 21:49 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/706418.jpg | Dec 17 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'd have to say that out of all the COVID vaccines, the type that concerns me more is the adenovirus ones. | Dec 17 21:58 |
| amreo[m] | /join #matrix.to:matrix.org | Dec 17 21:58 |
| amreo[m] | ^ it is a test | Dec 17 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They say "Well, these viruses don't cause any known disease or a slight cold, and we have to give you one that nobody's been exposed to before so that your immune system won't destroy the vaccine, and it has all of the potential allergic reactions of a traditional vaccine because of how we incubated the virus, and we've genetically altered the virus not only to deliver the Coronavirus spike protein instructions into | Dec 17 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | your cell but so that the adenovirus won't be able to reproduce. | Dec 17 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | vs. "This is mRNA that contains the instructions for how to make the spike protein.". | Dec 17 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems maybe the only advantage of the adenovirus ones is that they don't have to be kept at the extreme cold temperatures. | Dec 17 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My dad really hates the entire concept of the storyline of The Handmaid's Tale. | Dec 17 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the flashback scenes shows after the decapitation strike on the government but before it had been completely reorganized into the Republic of Gilead yet, and the first law enforcement agency to really begin acting exactly like the Guardians was ICE. | Dec 17 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him well it wouldn't make a very good story unless it was believable that things like that could actually happen, and they put ICE in there like that before they were Trump's goon squad launching chemical weapons strikes on American citizens and kidnapping protesters. | Dec 17 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then during the election, Trump's people start running people off the road and holding them at gunpoint accusing them of having "evidence of illegal ballots" in their van when it's air conditioning repair stuff. | Dec 17 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they start threatening assassination against presidential electors. | Dec 17 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The foiled kidnap and murder plot against two state governors. | Dec 17 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's certainly an element out there that would overthrow the US government and try to take over if it was able to. | Dec 17 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the story is not unbelievable at all. | Dec 17 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of them are just drunken rednecks who could never pull anything like that off because they're just too stupid. | Dec 17 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Discussing such plots on Facebook, for starters. | Dec 17 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As long as they're mostly only able to pull in people like that, there's little to worry about, but there's signs that they're burrowing into law enforcement, the military, and state and local government. | Dec 17 22:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | These people are far more dangerous than some Muslims. | Dec 17 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because they actually are here now and nobody's stopping them from stockpiling heavy weaponry and explosives. | Dec 17 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But obviously while Trump was in office, the Department of Homeland Security was stopped from talking about right-wing militia nutjobs. | Dec 17 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think they were keeping an eye on them, they just weren't allowed to talk about it. | Dec 17 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump was promising "riots in the streets" if he lost the election. | Dec 17 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But so far nothing major has actually gone down and the people who did show up to support him in DC yelled at buildings and stabbed some police officers. | Dec 17 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the police got it under control quickly. | Dec 17 22:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 2,490 deaths | Dec 17 22:14 |
| schestowitz | might be another 3k by day's end | Dec 17 22:14 |
| schestowitz | 3.5k+ yesterday | Dec 17 22:14 |
| schestowitz | can soon be 20k per week | Dec 17 22:15 |
| schestowitz | and then 400k by inauguration day | Dec 17 22:15 |
| schestowitz | xmas will accelerate the spread | Dec 17 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and then USCIS wants us to go to Chicago for an in person appointment during this. | Dec 17 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And of course they can't just email you a copy of the confirmation letter that has the appointment info on it so you even know what date it is. | Dec 17 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/business/money-report/mike-pence-to-head-overseas-hours-after-declaring-joe-biden-the-presidential-victor-over-donald-trump/2786788/?amp | Dec 17 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnewyork.com | Pence to Head Overseas Jan. 6 Hours After Formally Declaring Biden the Presidential Victor – NBC New York | Dec 17 22:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Constitution gives Pence the job of declaring that the administration lost the election. | Dec 17 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes the Constitution is pretty great. | Dec 17 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose that theoretically he could use it to start spewing all sorts of lies and stuff, but it says he must declare Biden the winner. | Dec 17 22:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | There actually have been some very obviously stolen elections that were certified anyway. | Dec 17 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | George W. Bush and John F. Kennedy to name a couple. | Dec 17 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | During the Kennedy one, Illinois was a red state outside of Chicago and outside Chicago had a much greater percentage of the population than it does today. | Dec 17 22:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So mayor Daley just waited until the rest of the state reported the results and then released "a number" for Chicago. | Dec 17 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And many of the election officials did actually get into legal hot water over rigging the election and stuffing the ballot boxes. | Dec 17 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And in Texas, there were quite a few areas where more voters than the number on the registry voted. | Dec 17 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nixon probably could have raised a stink about it, but it would look like he was a sore loser, so he let it go and came back later. | Dec 17 22:25 |
| MinceR | https://assets.amuniversal.com/b7d4d590c0470137c01c005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-10-01 ) | Dec 17 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Food Poisoning - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-10-01 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Dec 17 22:27 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/17/trump-says-he-will-veto-defense-bill.html?__source=OTS%7Cfinance%7Crelated%7Cstory%7C&par=OTS&doc=106812853 | Dec 17 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trump says he will veto $740 billion defense bill, breaking with Republicans | Dec 17 22:28 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The danger of a pocket veto is that the Supreme Court only very recently settled the issues of pro forma sessions of Congress. | Dec 17 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Saying that Congress is in session whenever it says it is. | Dec 17 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if he attempted to take no action, it could end up becoming law without them having to do anything since they would have people there to receive messages and vetoed bills from the president. | Dec 17 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he more or less has to do an actual veto or risk accidentally letting it become the law. | Dec 17 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Congress sets its own schedule. Some state legislatures are like that too, while others have constitutional limits on how many days they can be in session. | Dec 17 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think Texas doesn't have sessions during even numbered years or something. | Dec 17 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they have an incentive to try to get the governor to call a special session over things they normally don't have time to do. | Dec 17 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It really strengthens the executive because If the legislature pisses him off, they may not have enough time to do their job and he'll refuse to call them back. | Dec 17 22:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-administration-says-it-will-withhold-24200-million-in-california-medicaid-funding-over-abortion-insurance-requirement/ar-BB1bZOaZ | Dec 17 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Trump administration says it will withhold $200 million in California Medicaid funding over abortion insurance requirement | Dec 17 22:36 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't even know why he's wasting his time with this. | Dec 17 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden will hand their Medicaid money over in 33 days. | Dec 17 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: | Dec 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [12:28] <schestowitz> x https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13487973/candace-owens-dr-fauci-bill-gates/ | Dec 17 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thesun.co.uk | Candace Owens shockingly calls Dr Fauci and Bill Gates ‘pure evil’ in wild attack | Dec 17 22:40 | |
| schestowitz | [12:28] <schestowitz> # using strawmen to defend Bill | Dec 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [12:28] <schestowitz> = | Dec 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [12:28] <schestowitz> x https://www.theblaze.com/bill-gates-coronavirus-vaccine-lockdowns-restaurants | Dec 17 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates says world won't be normal until 2022, restaurants need to lockdown - TheBlaze | Dec 17 22:40 | |
| schestowitz | [12:28] <schestowitz> # bill sez | Dec 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: BTW | Dec 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | re CNBC | Dec 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | they help Trump | Dec 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Firebird SQLAlchemy status for Firebird Advent 2020 | Dec 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689059 | Dec 17 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #cnbc cheering for #militarism and by doing so helping #trumpism https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/17/trump-says-he-will-veto-defense-bill.html | Dec 17 22:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnbc.com | Trump says he will veto $740 billion defense bill, breaking with Republicans | Dec 17 22:41 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: They'll do a veto override. | Dec 17 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they were worried about his veto they wouldn't have passed it in the Senate. | Dec 17 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're looking past Trump because they'll be around for years and he won't be. | Dec 17 22:52 |
| schestowitz | that bill is a sham regardless | Dec 17 22:52 |
| schestowitz | and tucked into it are a bunch of things that would never be passed in iolation | Dec 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | isolation | Dec 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | btw: https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/12/17/curl-supports-nasa/ | Dec 17 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-curl supports NASA | daniel.haxx.se | Dec 17 22:53 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, so were some of the bills that George W. Bush vetoed that got overridden near the end. | Dec 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | ndaa | Dec 17 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bad bills that he vetoed for good reason. | Dec 17 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's strange how both parties in Congress only get veto-proof majorities on their worst stuff, isn't it? | Dec 17 22:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It seems almost like a tradition for a lame duck president to finally have veto overrides even if he escaped it before. | Dec 17 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fact that they are shows that none of them think Trump will be around after next month. | Dec 17 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/17/congress-trump-defense-bill-veto-447900 | Dec 17 22:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Congress braces for painful veto clash with Trump on defense bill - POLITICO | Dec 17 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're talking about overriding it in the last few hours before the new Congress. | Dec 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | helping the Trump PR | Dec 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | by sidling with something they ought not | Dec 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | corporate media | Dec 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | funded by military companies, too | Dec 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | like talking about trump pardom for assange, snowden | Dec 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | as if such a thing would be terrible | Dec 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | or would actually happen | Dec 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | which I doubt | Dec 17 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Anyway, I went through Maricel's karaoke machine last year picking out all the songs to thumb my nose at them with. | Dec 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not exactly subtle either. | Dec 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like In the Ghetto by Elvis Presley and Another Day in Paradise by Phil Collins | Dec 17 23:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think they appreciated it much. | Dec 17 23:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been meaning to get one. | Dec 17 23:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/politics/gretchen-whitmer-men-charged-kidnapping-plot/index.html | Dec 17 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-6 men indicted on federal charges in plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer - CNNPolitics | Dec 17 23:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I loved how SNL handled that. | Dec 17 23:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unemployable losers who had no plan for what to do after the kidnapping. | Dec 17 23:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The attempted kidnapping actually did more harm for the far-right than it was worth. | Dec 17 23:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you don't think that'll come up in the next election there. "Well look at the other party. They had kidnap and murder plot. They're terrorists.". | Dec 17 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's where I'd go. Get some mileage out of it. | Dec 17 23:22 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Dec 17 23:22 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689326 | Dec 17 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #trump4terrorism https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/politics/gretchen-whitmer-men-charged-kidnapping-plot/index.html | Dec 17 23:22 | |
| schestowitz | maybe I could go with #terrorists4Trump | Dec 17 23:22 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689310 | Dec 17 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #california dying in #Covid19 surge; given the number of new cases, it'll become mayhem https://gazette.com/ap/national/hot-spot-california-hospitals-buckle-as-virus-cases-surge/article_9f17248c-2fa7-51b7-97cc-f657cddc752b.html | Dec 17 23:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Hot spot: California hospitals buckle as virus cases surge | National | gazette.com | Dec 17 23:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689310 | Dec 17 23:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689310 | Dec 17 23:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689314 | Dec 17 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: With 3 hours to go, #covid19 death toll in the US already exceeds that of '9/11' and it has become the 'new normal' (worse than '9/11' per day) | Dec 17 23:23 | |
| schestowitz | [23:14] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Anyway, I went through Maricel's karaoke machine last year picking out all the songs to thumb my nose at them with. | Dec 17 23:24 |
| schestowitz | "(I'm) crazy" is a classic | Dec 17 23:24 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDUiUgmTb-I | Dec 17 23:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kings don't walk to the ring! Tyson Fury carried to the ring on a throne | Wilder v Fury 2 - YouTube | Dec 17 23:25 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's insane, and there's people out there who still compare it to a cold virus. | Dec 17 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or insist that they are faking death certificates to...what? Make the people in charge look worse? | Dec 17 23:34 |
| schestowitz | flu and the cold don't fill up hospitals | Dec 17 23:34 |
| schestowitz | not even when there's no annual lockdown | Dec 17 23:34 |
| schestowitz | also, we don't have a real, effective, proven vaccine for covid | Dec 17 23:34 |
| schestowitz | we have some for the flu | Dec 17 23:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: anyway, look at excess death | Dec 17 23:35 |
| schestowitz | never mind causes of death | Dec 17 23:35 |
| schestowitz | and then you see a big uptick | Dec 17 23:35 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 | Dec 17 23:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC News | Dec 17 23:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're noticing that the flu shot seems to have some positive effects against COVID-19. | Dec 17 23:35 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08hfjww | Dec 17 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - The News Explained, How Many Are Really Dying From Coronavirus? | Dec 17 23:36 | |
| schestowitz | Covid: Deaths 10% higher than normal as virus deaths rise https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54785358 | Dec 17 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid: Deaths 10% higher than normal as virus deaths rise - BBC News | Dec 17 23:36 | |
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| schestowitz | those deaths include old age | Dec 17 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/us/trump-casino-demolish-trnd/index.html | Dec 17 23:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-You can now bid on the chance to demolish President Trump's former defunct Atlantic City, NJ casino - CNN | Dec 17 23:38 | |
| schestowitz | 2,803 in US now | Dec 17 23:38 |
| schestowitz | 2.5 hours to go | Dec 17 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bagging and tagging them while trying to convince the rest that a vaccine that might give them a few hours of fatigue and a mild headache is not bad in comparison. | Dec 17 23:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | And it was Pence who led a "Life is Winning" event at the White House on Wednesday to tout the Trump administration's work on abortion. | Dec 17 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Next month Biden repeals the Mexico City Policy again. | Dec 17 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And gives California its Medicaid funds. | Dec 17 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/politics/mike-pence-coronavirus-vaccine-moment/index.html | Dec 17 23:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is this Mike Pence's moment? - CNNPolitics | Dec 17 23:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump walks away from presidential duties and Mike Pence shows up to all of it instead. Yeah why not. | Dec 17 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Getting some brand recognition for 2024. | Dec 17 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On the taxpayer dime no less. | Dec 17 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Is CNN still pushing vaccine profiteers as experts? | Dec 17 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Dec 17 23:51 |
| schestowitz | yuck | Dec 17 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I saw some yesterday in Linux feeds | Dec 17 23:51 |
| schestowitz | showing "the troops" | Dec 17 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pence has been so quiet over the last 4 years that you really wouldn't even know we had a vice president. | Dec 17 23:51 |
| schestowitz | female, obviously... | Dec 17 23:51 |
| schestowitz | sleepy joe was also quiet under Obama | Dec 17 23:52 |
| schestowitz | maybe better that way | Dec 17 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Biden was a lot worse | Dec 17 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even Biden wasn't this quiet. | Dec 17 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty clear that Mike Pence's job was to stay out of the way and absolutely never show up or do anything unless Trump said he could. | Dec 17 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At this point, it doesn't really matter because Trump lost. | Dec 17 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He says he might come back in 2024, but it's doubtful. | Dec 17 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As for designating one of his sons to run for president, eww, and no. | Dec 17 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've been even more toxic over the last 4 years than he has. | Dec 17 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And Don Jr. is on record saying Coronavirus is fake and it would all disappear from the news right after the election. | Dec 17 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/politics/mike-rogers-covid-congress/index.html | Dec 17 23:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alabama GOP congressman becomes 4th House member in a week to disclose Covid-19 diagnosis - CNNPolitics | Dec 17 23:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Three times as many Republicans in Congress have had COVID-19 than Democrats. | Dec 17 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's pretty impressive considering that they're the minority party in the much larger House. | Dec 17 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of the outbreak within the government has been Republicans. | Dec 17 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you factor in Trump Administration officials, it's like 10 Republicans per Democrat or something that have had COVID. | Dec 17 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Virtually everyone in the administration has given it to each other. | Dec 17 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As for why they aren't dying, it's pretty simple really. | Dec 17 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have the best doctors who are actually prescribing them stuff like monoclonal antibodies that some hack that your HMO allows you to see won't and you couldn't pay for it even if they did. | Dec 17 23:59 |
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