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| DaemonFC[m] | Coca Cola is in deep shit. | Dec 19 00:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They're firing another 2,200 people. | Dec 19 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: it's hard to sell water | Dec 19 01:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. The articles say they made the easy cuts earlier in the year. | Dec 19 01:59 |
| schestowitz | people check what costs they can cut | Dec 19 01:59 |
| schestowitz | water with chemicals in them are not worth $1 a litre | Dec 19 02:00 |
| schestowitz | they're also not healthy | Dec 19 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | and can lead to worse things than obesity | Dec 19 02:00 |
| schestowitz | COke has new ads here | Dec 19 02:00 |
| schestowitz | the xmas type | Dec 19 02:00 |
| schestowitz | they are very weird ads, billboards in the street | Dec 19 02:00 |
| schestowitz | never seen such weird ads | Dec 19 02:01 |
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| schestowitz | They sell this idea that xmas won't be xmas without coke at the table | Dec 19 02:01 |
| schestowitz | for many people it'll be merely one couple of two at the table | Dec 19 02:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: They also resorted to full purchase price rebates on ibotta. | Dec 19 02:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For Thanksgiving. | Dec 19 02:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah, this is the year that many normal people finally get to experience what Christmas is like for the family members that nobody invites to anything. | Dec 19 02:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They'll get up and realize that everything's closed, they're all alone, and then stick a pizza in the oven and go well that was pointless. | Dec 19 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump managed to finally stick the last nail in family structure. | Dec 19 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some people were so devoted to his cult that they finally swung the axe on any of their less fascist relatives. | Dec 19 02:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I figure part of the reason suicides are up this year is that many people who haven't dealt with year after year of exile from everyone else don't know how to handle it. | Dec 19 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's all new to them. | Dec 19 02:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | When nobody invites you to anything and then they have to go a year living exactly like what they did to you. | Dec 19 02:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Microsoft says they were breached too. | Dec 19 02:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess the Trustworthy Computing Initiative really paid off. | Dec 19 02:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 19 02:18 |
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| *kingoffrance somehow feels Daemons last 3 sentences go together | Dec 19 02:22 | |
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| schestowitz | [02:25] <schestowitz> don't want to be a bother, but... is the pleroma.site DB being restored? I know it's vast... | Dec 19 02:26 |
| schestowitz | not sure how long before we can have viera working again | Dec 19 02:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-updates-cause-corsairvbusdriver-bsod-crash-loop/ | Dec 19 02:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Windows 10 updates cause CorsairVBusDriver BSOD crash loop | Dec 19 02:29 | |
| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 19 02:30 |
| schestowitz | https://www.techradar.com/news/microsoft-has-delivered-a-partial-fix-for-this-nagging-windows-10-bug | Dec 19 02:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft has delivered a partial fix for this nagging Windows 10 bug | TechRadar | Dec 19 02:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "It should be noted that people have been complaining about the CorsairVBusDriver.sys crashes since December 8th, but today BleepingComputer saw a huge surge in people who were affected. If Microsoft is offering an optional update for the Corsair drivers, do not install them, as this could explain the surge we are seeing." | Dec 19 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My guess is the surge was from the update going from Optional Driver to a regular update. | Dec 19 02:31 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you spot typos here? http://techrights.org/2020/12/18/epo-strike-report/ | Dec 19 02:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Almost Half of Vienna-based EPO Staff Went on Strike This Past Week | Techrights | Dec 19 02:42 | |
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| schestowitz | Sad to say this, but LBRY seems to be terrible. Enough warning signs of the surface (found 3 already) for me to steer clear and away from it. | Dec 19 03:28 |
| schestowitz | *On the surface | Dec 19 03:29 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: https://opensourcesecurity.io/2020/12/18/episode-244-door-19-tls-certificate-trust/ | Dec 19 04:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensourcesecurity.io | Episode 244 – Door 19: TLS certificate trust – Open Source Security | Dec 19 04:48 | |
| schestowitz | just now | Dec 19 04:48 |
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| vZS1 | schestowitz: physical public key exchange should be the norm. People should get one from their bank or whatever every X months. X509 trust model is a joke | Dec 19 05:12 |
| vZS1 | It was designed to monopolise trust. Nothing else | Dec 19 05:13 |
| vZS1 | No "security" | Dec 19 05:13 |
| vZS1 | It's just theatre | Dec 19 05:16 |
| schestowitz | imposed on us using browsers | Dec 19 05:17 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Dec 19 05:17 |
| schestowitz | if you don't play along, they put you in redlists or blacklists or blocklists or whatever it deemed P-C now | Dec 19 05:17 |
| schestowitz | *is deemed | Dec 19 05:18 |
| vZS1 | The only "authority" in security should be science and mathematics | Dec 19 05:19 |
| vZS1 | But security theatre is a lucrative industry so it won't go away any time soon | Dec 19 05:20 |
| vZS1 | Because most security theatre arguments boil down to appeal to authority | Dec 19 05:21 |
| schestowitz | or media | Dec 19 05:22 |
| schestowitz | which, as you know, nowadays works closely with or as PR indsutry | Dec 19 05:22 |
| vZS1 | Effectively the same thing | Dec 19 05:22 |
| schestowitz | not supposed to be | Dec 19 05:22 |
| schestowitz | let's differentiate | Dec 19 05:22 |
| schestowitz | what it used to be or was supposed to be | Dec 19 05:22 |
| schestowitz | and what it often becomes/became | Dec 19 05:22 |
| schestowitz | maybe I should do some videos about incredulous 'news' sites | Dec 19 05:23 |
| schestowitz | need to make a quick list of them first | Dec 19 05:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead of suing over Microsoft blocking Firefox and leading the user to think it's dangerous to use it, Mozilla continues to do nothing. | Dec 19 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have some articles on how to get your computer out of S mode or work around the giant screen that pops up saying that you should just use Edge instead. | Dec 19 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're losing market share because they're dealing with operating systems that forbid them from distributing their browser or warning the user away from it. | Dec 19 05:41 |
| schestowitz | that too | Dec 19 05:41 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19697757 | Dec 19 05:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla and #firefox increasingly stand not for the "Open Web" but the monopolised Web. CAs, DNS, EME etc. If you care about #internet freedom you'll look away from Mozilla and focus on the few who STILL care. | Dec 19 05:41 | |
| schestowitz | mozilla is done | Dec 19 05:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://movieweb.com/firefly-reboot-disney-plus-fan-reaction/ | Dec 19 05:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-movieweb.com | Firefly Disney+ Reboot Rumors Have Original Series Fans Crying Foul | Dec 19 05:44 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Neoconfederate vibes? | Dec 19 05:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A PC and PG Firefly is going to suck. | Dec 19 05:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder how Disney will even do that. | Dec 19 05:49 |
| schestowitz | what is a disney? | Dec 19 05:52 |
| schestowitz | I heard about it | Dec 19 05:52 |
| schestowitz | they used to have theme parks | Dec 19 05:52 |
| schestowitz | I went to some | Dec 19 05:52 |
| schestowitz | are they still around? | Dec 19 05:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The theme parks are a disaster now. | Dec 19 05:55 |
| vZS1 | DaemonFC[m]: the fact that Firefox is in the "trusted" list of browsers capable of signing into things like Google and Discord should say enough about where Mozilla stands. | Dec 19 05:55 |
| vZS1 | You can't sign into those with any browser | Dec 19 05:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've never used Discord. | Dec 19 05:56 |
| vZS1 | Just citing examples | Dec 19 05:56 |
| vZS1 | Might be Microsoft just wanting to stomp out competition for edge | Dec 19 05:56 |
| schestowitz | sometimes it feels like Google and Microsoft are too close.... | Dec 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | ....on shared interests | Dec 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | I can cite some example | Dec 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | but I'd forget some | Dec 19 05:57 |
| vZS1 | Firefox, Chrom(e|ium), Opera, Edge | Dec 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | companies tend to be like that, coopetition they call it | Dec 19 05:57 |
| vZS1 | That's about it for freedom of choice | Dec 19 05:57 |
| schestowitz | they basically liaise to destroy companies that pose a threat to both | Dec 19 05:58 |
| schestowitz | and it should be forbidden, with severe fines imposed | Dec 19 05:58 |
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| vZS1 | I tried to use konqueror and Falkon but I can't do all my work in then because I can't log in to various services due to the "trust" issue | Dec 19 05:59 |
| vZS1 | s/then/them | Dec 19 05:59 |
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| vZS1 | So I'm basically stuck with Firefox, for now | Dec 19 06:00 |
| schestowitz | i can't use LBRY with Falkon | Dec 19 06:00 |
| schestowitz | and Falkon is rather modern | Dec 19 06:00 |
| schestowitz | LBRY is a mess | Dec 19 06:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's interesting that really nobody builds a browser on Firefox's platform. | Dec 19 06:00 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if they deserve the name | Dec 19 06:00 |
| schestowitz | far removed from liberty | Dec 19 06:00 |
| vZS1 | > It's interesting that really nobody builds a browser on Firefox's platform | Dec 19 06:00 |
| schestowitz | or libraries | Dec 19 06:00 |
| vZS1 | I don't think that's true | Dec 19 06:00 |
| vZS1 | There are examples | Dec 19 06:00 |
| schestowitz | many firefox derivs | Dec 19 06:01 |
| schestowitz | tor also | Dec 19 06:01 |
| vZS1 | IceCat | Dec 19 06:01 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Dec 19 06:01 |
| vZS1 | Tor | Dec 19 06:01 |
| schestowitz | waterfox is a spying platform now | Dec 19 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't package a real browser as a Universal Windows Platform app. | Dec 19 06:01 |
| vZS1 | Palemoon | Dec 19 06:01 |
| schestowitz | but tbh, the web is cancer | Dec 19 06:01 |
| schestowitz | so any browser you build, it's the wrong solution | Dec 19 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft forces you to use "the web platform that comes with Windows". | Dec 19 06:01 |
| schestowitz | because it solves the wrong problem | Dec 19 06:01 |
| schestowitz | which is what 'pages' are served | Dec 19 06:01 |
| vZS1 | It's just another interface | Dec 19 06:02 |
| schestowitz | many are just a bunch of programs (JS or obects) | Dec 19 06:02 |
| schestowitz | *objects | Dec 19 06:02 |
| vZS1 | Problem is it's an interface with smuggled control and surveillance mechanisms | Dec 19 06:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know how people can stand Chromium browsers. | Dec 19 06:02 |
| schestowitz | let's accept the web is rotting | Dec 19 06:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No option to disable autoplay videos | Dec 19 06:02 |
| schestowitz | and is barely even the web anymore | Dec 19 06:02 |
| schestowitz | you cannot even link to those "platforms" | Dec 19 06:02 |
| schestowitz | so you know they're not pages | Dec 19 06:02 |
| schestowitz | the platform is just some API | Dec 19 06:03 |
| schestowitz | and they want it that way | Dec 19 06:03 |
| schestowitz | with services and "slaves" and "workers" | Dec 19 06:03 |
| schestowitz | not pages | Dec 19 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Gecko is just doing what Microsoft was with EdgeHTML. | Dec 19 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Implementing Chromium compatibility in their engine. | Dec 19 06:03 |
| vZS1 | JS is, ultimately, about dynamic pages | Dec 19 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like what's the point. | Dec 19 06:03 |
| vZS1 | But it evolved into an OS in itself | Dec 19 06:04 |
| vZS1 | You don't see entire JS programs in web pages much | Dec 19 06:04 |
| vZS1 | it's usually a rest api call | Dec 19 06:05 |
| vZS1 | Right now cross-platform is all the rage | Dec 19 06:06 |
| vZS1 | So the situation isn't likely to change soon | Dec 19 06:06 |
| vZS1 | React Native, Flutter, etc. | Dec 19 06:06 |
| vZS1 | WebRTC | Dec 19 06:07 |
| schestowitz | [06:03] <vZS1> JS is, ultimately, about dynamic pages | Dec 19 06:07 |
| schestowitz | originally | Dec 19 06:07 |
| schestowitz | now it's not | Dec 19 06:07 |
| schestowitz | JS is 'too' flexible | Dec 19 06:07 |
| schestowitz | so now it's 'telemetry' and stuff | Dec 19 06:08 |
| vZS1 | I don't think you can blame the technology | Dec 19 06:08 |
| vZS1 | It's more about the abuse done with the technology | Dec 19 06:08 |
| schestowitz | the "big tech" (don't like the term) cabal cannot get people to install their blobs | Dec 19 06:08 |
| schestowitz | so they toss them at web pages | Dec 19 06:08 |
| schestowitz | 'freemium' | Dec 19 06:08 |
| schestowitz | and if they lack some functionality, they torture the browser to include it | Dec 19 06:08 |
| schestowitz | and to hell with web standards | Dec 19 06:08 |
| schestowitz | the "browser" becomes 'the standard' | Dec 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz | use "browser X", use "application Y" | Dec 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz | so it's not the Web anymore | Dec 19 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "How many times do you want Chrome on your computer?" | Dec 19 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Different browsers now. | Dec 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz | 'different' | Dec 19 06:10 |
| schestowitz | different logos | Dec 19 06:10 |
| schestowitz | different blobs | Dec 19 06:10 |
| schestowitz | same pedigree | Dec 19 06:10 |
| vZS1 | Bit of a tangent by I've been looking into the portable OS thing | Dec 19 06:10 |
| vZS1 | Turns out Linux supports some things NetBSD doesn't | Dec 19 06:10 |
| vZS1 | Mainly drivers | Dec 19 06:10 |
| vZS1 | This reminds me of the time when all you could get was Windows drivers for hardware | Dec 19 06:11 |
| vZS1 | Which stopped many people from migrating | Dec 19 06:11 |
| schestowitz | back when you could install alts | Dec 19 06:12 |
| vZS1 | Now Linux has better driver support than pretty much every other kernel | Dec 19 06:12 |
| schestowitz | now it's complicated | Dec 19 06:12 |
| schestowitz | installers for gnu/linux are easier to use, but hardware becomes hostiel | Dec 19 06:12 |
| vZS1 | Now Linux driver availability isn't the issue. The issue is they're still blobs | Dec 19 06:13 |
| vZS1 | So at least there's some progress | Dec 19 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and while Firefox is available for Linux, they don't put a lot of effort into making it run well. | Dec 19 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They focus most of their effort on the Windows build. | Dec 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | even though it's almost the only OS that COMES with firefox | Dec 19 06:14 |
| vZS1 | Mozilla resets the config after an update | Dec 19 06:14 |
| vZS1 | It's really annoying | Dec 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | mozilla is a Mac-centric cult | Dec 19 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it always gets things like the multi process's model and webrender first. | Dec 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | with github accounts | Dec 19 06:14 |
| vZS1 | I need to see which files the config lives in so that I can just replace that automatically | Dec 19 06:16 |
| vZS1 | I've already done that for fonts | Dec 19 06:16 |
| vZS1 | Because Firefox and Tor Browser both barely have many fonts | Dec 19 06:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 opens Skype by default on startup. Eating up 128 MB of RAM whether you use it or not. | Dec 19 06:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can turn it off but.... | Dec 19 06:18 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Dec 19 06:18 |
| vZS1 | I've noticed that on my windows install | Dec 19 06:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It lets you remove it from startup or uninstall it, but it's there by default. | Dec 19 06:19 |
| vZS1 | systemd likes to load a lot of junk on startup as well | Dec 19 06:19 |
| vZS1 | By default | Dec 19 06:19 |
| vZS1 | I think it took that trick out of Windows' book | Dec 19 06:19 |
| vZS1 | There's also a really janky config on Debian-based systems that makes laptops choke when you close the lid | Dec 19 06:22 |
| vZS1 | I forgot what the problem is | Dec 19 06:22 |
| vZS1 | Let me look it up again | Dec 19 06:22 |
| vZS1 | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/200125/debian-8-jessie-laptop-stops-working-after-closing-the-laptop-lid | Dec 19 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.stackexchange.com | Debian 8 (Jessie) - Laptop stops working after closing the laptop lid - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange | Dec 19 06:23 | |
| vZS1 | Okay, so it was a systemd issue | Dec 19 06:23 |
| vZS1 | Forgot about that | Dec 19 06:23 |
| vZS1 | I had to fix that when I set up the laptop I got for my dad | Dec 19 06:24 |
| vZS1 | I did it for one of my old laptops as well but it was a long time ago | Dec 19 06:24 |
| vZS1 | Surprised it hasn't been fixed yet | Dec 19 06:24 |
| vZS1 | I run Debian on laptops because it just works OOTB | Dec 19 06:25 |
| vZS1 | Apart from when it doesn't | Dec 19 06:26 |
| vZS1 | Like that example | Dec 19 06:26 |
| vZS1 | Overall, though, Debian is a low-hassle distro | Dec 19 06:26 |
| vZS1 | My main issue with it is you still need a lot of blobs for most hardware | Dec 19 06:27 |
| vZS1 | I needed to enable and install from the non-free sources list of Debian for dad's laptop. Needed it for the Broadcom wireless network card | Dec 19 06:29 |
| vZS1 | Forgot the the specific model | Dec 19 06:32 |
| vZS1 | You'd have thought such ubiquitous hardware would have standardised drivers by now but nope | Dec 19 06:35 |
| vZS1 | We got blobs | Dec 19 06:35 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Preferences/A_brief_guide_to_Mozilla_preferences | Dec 19 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.mozilla.org | A brief guide to Mozilla preferences - Mozilla | MDN | Dec 19 06:37 | |
| vZS1 | Works for Thunderbird too. Might fix your config issue | Dec 19 06:37 |
| vZS1 | Interested that it says the docs are no longer maintained. It was last updated in March so the archiving was a relatively recent decision | Dec 19 06:38 |
| vZS1 | s/Interested/Interesting | Dec 19 06:39 |
| schestowitz | I fixed the issue | Dec 19 06:48 |
| schestowitz | sort of | Dec 19 06:48 |
| schestowitz | by mandating pgp for all outgoing mail | Dec 19 06:48 |
| schestowitz | I need to explicitly acknowledge sending anything which is not encrypted now | Dec 19 06:48 |
| vZS1 | This will lock your preferences though. Might end up being more convenient than what you're currently doing. Either way. Just thought I'd forward the link to you since I saw Thunderbird mentioned. | Dec 19 06:50 |
| schestowitz | I don't use thunderbird much anymore | Dec 19 06:51 |
| schestowitz | it was sabotaged 2 years ago | Dec 19 06:51 |
| schestowitz | with xul and all sorts of extensions assassinated | Dec 19 06:51 |
| vZS1 | What happened to it? | Dec 19 06:51 |
| vZS1 | Ah | Dec 19 06:51 |
| schestowitz | I used to use thunderbird as my main browser | Dec 19 06:52 |
| schestowitz | with ThunderBrowse | Dec 19 06:52 |
| schestowitz | before mozilla ux BS | Dec 19 06:52 |
| schestowitz | and cutting off the "bad things" like extension devs | Dec 19 06:52 |
| schestowitz | for "unified" "experience" | Dec 19 06:52 |
| vZS1 | I'm guessing they broke backwards compatibility? | Dec 19 06:53 |
| schestowitz | if your "new" version breaks something old, maybe it's a bad idea | Dec 19 06:53 |
| schestowitz | inc. themes | Dec 19 06:53 |
| vZS1 | So y | Dec 19 06:53 |
| vZS1 | Ah* | Dec 19 06:53 |
| schestowitz | gtk and qt also do that a lot | Dec 19 06:53 |
| schestowitz | so you end up wasting time relearning, seeking alternatives | Dec 19 06:54 |
| schestowitz | rebuilding the workflow | Dec 19 06:54 |
| vZS1 | That's the most effective way to grab control over an ecosystem | Dec 19 06:54 |
| schestowitz | that used to work | Dec 19 06:54 |
| vZS1 | They break BC | Dec 19 06:54 |
| schestowitz | and it's a hassle and waste of time | Dec 19 06:54 |
| vZS1 | So so the old stuff doesn't work | Dec 19 06:54 |
| vZS1 | So all* | Dec 19 06:54 |
| schestowitz | Widnows was like tgat | Dec 19 06:54 |
| schestowitz | many people put off, so they left | Dec 19 06:54 |
| schestowitz | and now we find lots of the same elsewhere | Dec 19 06:54 |
| schestowitz | many excuses are given | Dec 19 06:55 |
| vZS1 | Most devs can't afford to spend the time to port to new version | Dec 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | I saw one earlier today | Dec 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | can't recall what it was | Dec 19 06:55 |
| schestowitz | that's why I use Palm PDA | Dec 19 06:56 |
| schestowitz | no changes in 17 years | Dec 19 06:56 |
| schestowitz | same US, backup, hardware | Dec 19 06:56 |
| schestowitz | it's more predictable | Dec 19 06:56 |
| vZS1 | If it ain't broke | Dec 19 06:56 |
| schestowitz | they make you buy new things | Dec 19 06:56 |
| schestowitz | until you're broke | Dec 19 06:56 |
| vZS1 | Lol | Dec 19 06:57 |
| schestowitz | and your workflow is broken | Dec 19 06:57 |
| schestowitz | then they say, "buy the next one" | Dec 19 06:57 |
| schestowitz | "it'll be more smart" | Dec 19 06:57 |
| schestowitz | wish I remember what it is I saw earlier | Dec 19 06:57 |
| schestowitz | I links to it, maybe did not quote | Dec 19 06:57 |
| schestowitz | they have those catchphrases | Dec 19 06:57 |
| schestowitz | like "moving forward" | Dec 19 06:57 |
| schestowitz | "simplicity" | Dec 19 06:57 |
| schestowitz | "ease of use", "experience" | Dec 19 06:57 |
| schestowitz | like banks becoming "apps" | Dec 19 06:58 |
| schestowitz | and their web sites getting dumber and dumber | Dec 19 06:58 |
| schestowitz | ah, yes, I think it was not a web page I saw | Dec 19 06:58 |
| schestowitz | it's a letter from eON I read yesterday at the gym | Dec 19 06:58 |
| schestowitz | about their oh-so-awesome 'site' | Dec 19 06:58 |
| schestowitz | they took over our energy provider, NPower | Dec 19 06:58 |
| schestowitz | and now impose changes on us | Dec 19 06:59 |
| schestowitz | of course they insist that everything is "smart" now | Dec 19 06:59 |
| schestowitz | they also have green seeds in the letter | Dec 19 06:59 |
| schestowitz | cartoons of green things | Dec 19 06:59 |
| schestowitz | they say it's "sustainable" energy | Dec 19 07:00 |
| schestowitz | a vacuous term | Dec 19 07:00 |
| schestowitz | green, sustainable... all that stuff... | Dec 19 07:00 |
| schestowitz | I'm preconditioned to hate them because a close friend told me how much they hated eON and worked hard to move away from them | Dec 19 07:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Microsoft has what they call a "modern policy" now. | Dec 19 07:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where they don't commit to supporting anything for at least 10 years anymore. | Dec 19 07:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I'm honestly surprised that they haven't removed IE 11 yet. They've removed Direct3d 9 stuff and you have to install those files if you want to use an old video game. | Dec 19 07:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's beyond time to remove all of Internet Explorer and turn it into an "option" for a while on the way to complete removal. | Dec 19 07:10 |
| schestowitz | "tech" is becoming about IMPOSED, not planned, obsolescence | Dec 19 07:12 |
| schestowitz | but some alternatives still exist | Dec 19 07:12 |
| schestowitz | if you try to stick to them | Dec 19 07:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Internet Explorer 11 still works for the most part, surprisingly enough. | Dec 19 07:12 |
| schestowitz | and they can be cheaper if you get refurbs and recycled things | Dec 19 07:12 |
| schestowitz | IE doesn't work for you | Dec 19 07:12 |
| schestowitz | it works for Microsoft | Dec 19 07:12 |
| schestowitz | IE7+ is malware | Dec 19 07:13 |
| schestowitz | it sends Microsoft browsing history | Dec 19 07:13 |
| schestowitz | so the US doesn't need to go to your ISP | Dec 19 07:13 |
| schestowitz | they say it's for "security" | Dec 19 07:13 |
| schestowitz | apple cult openwashing apple https://erik-engheim.medium.com/the-openness-of-macos-dfee78699da | Dec 19 07:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-erik-engheim.medium.com | The Openness of macOS. There is a perception that Mac’s are… | by Erik Engheim | Dec, 2020 | Medium | Dec 19 07:22 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz The Gecko platform is forcing more changes to SeaMonkey at UX level. | Dec 19 07:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Would be nice if they still had sync to Firefox. | Dec 19 07:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla broke that years ago. | Dec 19 07:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mac OS is worse than Windows 10. | Dec 19 07:27 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Not just that it's proprietary, but the backwards compatibility sucks and there are weird bugs in macOS that are like the bastard child of Windows XP and 2004 Linux. | Dec 19 07:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft should really stop pretending they're Apple. | Dec 19 07:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.howtogeek.com/410183/microsoft-abandons-windows-10s-forced-updates/ | Dec 19 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Microsoft Abandons Windows 10’s Constant Forced Updates | Dec 19 07:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The October 2018 update was scandalous and forced Microsoft to get much less aggressive about updates. | Dec 19 07:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember it came out and I saw a lot of fuck it, now my computer won't even boot and I'm installing Linux posts. | Dec 19 07:33 |
| schestowitz | Remember they broke wsl | Dec 19 07:38 |
| schestowitz | and took weeks to fix it | Dec 19 07:38 |
| schestowitz | imagine having work done on that | Dec 19 07:38 |
| schestowitz | just wait weeks | Dec 19 07:39 |
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| psydroid | I don't mind them doing WSL in a technical rather than a political sense as they compete with GNU/Linux, but it's a toy and they should be honest about it being just a toy and unfit for production | Dec 19 07:41 |
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| schestowitz | windows is a toy | Dec 19 07:42 |
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| schestowitz | anything on top of it is, by definition, just for toying around with | Dec 19 07:42 |
| psydroid | exactly | Dec 19 07:43 |
| psydroid | so how have so many organisations been fooled into basing their most important infrastructure on something that can be considered merely a toy | Dec 19 07:44 |
| psydroid | it boggles the mind what kind of warped thinking must underlie such decision-making | Dec 19 07:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It definitely needs to be put on a diet. | Dec 19 07:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Too much legacy stuff hanging around. | Dec 19 07:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tech support scammers abusing syskey.exe.....like what was that even doing there? | Dec 19 07:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It just accumulates crap and then that adds attack surface. | Dec 19 07:47 |
| psydroid | I know what they are afraid of, as every effort to port the Windows (malware) "ecosystem" over to another architecture has failed and every slimmed down version is abhorred by users | Dec 19 07:50 |
| psydroid | So if you create a slimmed down Windows, it stops being Windows and people might not be able to run their legacy applications | Dec 19 07:51 |
| psydroid | There has been an opportunity for ReactOS all along, but they are too busy being MS fanboys to get something working that could ultimately replace Windows for those who are interested in such a thing | Dec 19 07:52 |
| schestowitz | who else would want to emulate Windows | Dec 19 09:04 |
| schestowitz | to the point of trying to re-implement it? | Dec 19 09:05 |
| schestowitz | people would rather do something else, unless they partonise Windows | Dec 19 09:05 |
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| Ariadne | people who have a lot of pre-existing windows apps and infrastructure | Dec 19 09:46 |
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| psydroid | my approach would be to port those applications to or reimplement them for GNU/Linux or run them using WINE/Hangover/Box86, but if those approaches don't work using ReactOS could be a last resort (if it actually worked) | Dec 19 10:45 |
| vZS1 | psydroid: could just use a VM too. | Dec 19 10:49 |
| vZS1 | The Windows->GNU/Linux exodus is already underway | Dec 19 10:55 |
| vZS1 | That's why MS has been co-opting everything GNU/Linux | Dec 19 10:55 |
| schestowitz | it has been for ages | Dec 19 10:55 |
| schestowitz | I tjhink it started with servers | Dec 19 10:55 |
| schestowitz | like web servers | Dec 19 10:55 |
| schestowitz | and file servers maybe in parallel | Dec 19 10:55 |
| vZS1 | I feel like the acceleration of migration is at its highest level | Dec 19 10:56 |
| vZS1 | Because now non-tech people are installing GNU/Linux of their own free will. | Dec 19 10:56 |
| vZS1 | Without nudging from advocates | Dec 19 10:57 |
| vZS1 | So GIAFAM are trying their damn best to co-opt everything under the sun | Dec 19 10:57 |
| psydroid | vZS1, I helped a friend move his office to GNU/Linux by writing some software for his business when his Windows systems kept getting infested with malware | Dec 19 10:58 |
| vZS1 | Cool | Dec 19 10:59 |
| psydroid | Later on he moved back to Windows, but the problems obviously returned before he finally quit the business entirely | Dec 19 10:59 |
| vZS1 | Learning a new interface takes time. That's usually why people relapse back to Windows. | Dec 19 11:00 |
| vZS1 | There's also legacy issues | Dec 19 11:01 |
| vZS1 | A lot of people can't afford to migrate because they don't have the resources | Dec 19 11:02 |
| vZS1 | The best we can do to help them is stuff like VMs and WINE | Dec 19 11:02 |
| vZS1 | GNU/Linux is ideally suited to be the "first" for someone. The ecosystem is mature enough. | Dec 19 11:04 |
| vZS1 | Better software, in general. No UI excuses either. | Dec 19 11:04 |
| vZS1 | We have KDE, GNOME, etc. Pretty much every major web browser works with GNU/Linux. | Dec 19 11:05 |
| vZS1 | Hardware drivers mostly all there | Dec 19 11:05 |
| psydroid | If I set up a new business today, I don't see a reason to bother with Microsoft software | Dec 19 11:07 |
| vZS1 | Same | Dec 19 11:08 |
| vZS1 | My one big worry is Linuxisms | Dec 19 11:09 |
| psydroid | I know | Dec 19 11:09 |
| vZS1 | By Linuxisms I mean a lack of regard for POSIX | Dec 19 11:09 |
| vZS1 | Because too many Linuxisms means it's hard for people to study Linux | Dec 19 11:10 |
| vZS1 | The implementation becomes the standard. That's always a disaster | Dec 19 11:10 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://i.imgur.com/t2XKiCm.jpg | Dec 19 11:10 |
| psydroid | I don't mind going beyond current POSIX, but then try to make a new standard called POSIX 2025 or something | Dec 19 11:10 |
| vZS1 | Oh yeah. I'm happy as long as there is a documented standard | Dec 19 11:11 |
| vZS1 | I just don't want to keep having to look up an implementation for guidance. It's a monumental PITA. | Dec 19 11:11 |
| vZS1 | That's how it is for a lot of Linux rn. | Dec 19 11:11 |
| vZS1 | Familiarity with the Git repo is a necessity. | Dec 19 11:12 |
| MinceR | chances are such a standard would be poisoned by megacorporations | Dec 19 11:12 |
| MinceR | we can't even keep their filthy hands out of GNU/Linux, or what used to be GNU/Linux | Dec 19 11:13 |
| vZS1 | Standards should exist for common functionality. They don't need to stretch beyond that. | Dec 19 11:13 |
| vZS1 | When I get around to it I need to have a good hard look at what POSIX has been up to. | Dec 19 11:14 |
| MinceR | they'll insist that stuff like systemctl is "common functionality" :> | Dec 19 11:15 |
| vZS1 | #theonetrueway | Dec 19 11:15 |
| vZS1 | I think it's mostly GNU and BSD people that adhere to POSIX. Linux people tend to disregard POSIX as baggage | Dec 19 11:18 |
| vZS1 | It's concerning that GCC people were amongst the RMS backstabbing. | Dec 19 11:19 |
| vZS1 | That's one of the most important toolsets we depend on. | Dec 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | yup | Dec 19 11:30 |
| schestowitz | even Torvalds acknowledged this | Dec 19 11:30 |
| schestowitz | in the bloomberg interview | Dec 19 11:30 |
| schestowitz | where he dared mention the G word | Dec 19 11:30 |
| schestowitz | oh, wait | Dec 19 11:30 |
| schestowitz | not the bloomberg one | Dec 19 11:30 |
| schestowitz | the raw footage from revolution os | Dec 19 11:30 |
| schestowitz | not the final cut | Dec 19 11:30 |
| vZS1 | > even Torvalds acknowledged this | Dec 19 11:32 |
| vZS1 | What is "this"? | Dec 19 11:32 |
| vZS1 | Also, which "G word"? | Dec 19 11:34 |
| schestowitz | GNU | Dec 19 11:41 |
| schestowitz | bbl gym | Dec 19 11:43 |
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| MinceR | > Linux people tend to disregard POSIX as baggage | Dec 19 12:08 |
| MinceR | yes, but ibm wouldn't be able to resist a chance to shit into POSIX2 | Dec 19 12:09 |
| MinceR | and neither would microshit | Dec 19 12:09 |
| MinceR | https://assets.amuniversal.com/1bac4410a7650137b78f005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-10-06 ) | Dec 19 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lifestyle Disagreer - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-10-06 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Dec 19 12:34 | |
| MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/23/da82b916d1d50872.jpg | Dec 19 13:13 |
| vZS1 | Fair point | Dec 19 13:30 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: you should have what I promised for today sitting in your email inbox. | Dec 19 13:31 |
| MinceR | https://assets.amuniversal.com/bad03510b0d30137ba71005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-10-13 ) | Dec 19 13:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Performance Versus Pay - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-10-13 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Dec 19 13:50 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20072956 | Dec 19 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4790607) | Dec 19 14:22 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20072955 | Dec 19 14:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4790550) | Dec 19 14:42 | |
| MinceR | (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/47bd80a72a75f949.jpg | Dec 19 15:06 |
| scientes | https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-conversion-ordinance-a-law-now-with-governors-seal/articleshow/79466958.cms | Dec 19 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofindia.indiatimes.com | Uttar Pradesh conversion ordinance a law now with governor’s seal | Lucknow News - Times of India | Dec 19 15:26 | |
| scientes | Under every rock lies a politician | Dec 19 15:26 |
| scientes | https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-india-religion-marriage-idUSKBN2842RS | Dec 19 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Uttar Pradesh criminalises 'forced' religious conversions by marriage | Reuters | Dec 19 15:26 | |
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| scientes | XRevan86, my new ringtone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLQ_G4Wcp_s | Dec 19 16:05 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: meh | Dec 19 16:21 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsG0P2jjYnI | Dec 19 16:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Value Select's Seeing Eye Knife - YouTube | Dec 19 16:24 | |
| scientes | yeah, its pretty juvinile | Dec 19 16:24 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: cheers | Dec 19 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | [16:05] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Tell Me Your Name Again (Again) - YouTube | Dec 19 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | LOL, that was... weird | Dec 19 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: little update: href is now reimporting the pleroma.site DB | Dec 19 16:42 |
| schestowitz | all: hopefully viera will resume with real-time gnu/linux news soon, it's strictly reliant on pleroma.site getting repaired after almost 3 weeks since hardware crash | Dec 19 16:43 |
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| scientes | ugggh panorama youtube is weird | Dec 19 17:01 |
| scientes | when you discover a feature and go "why the fuck would anyone want that?" | Dec 19 17:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 19 17:05 |
| scientes | like that propogandized VR hype | Dec 19 17:06 |
| scientes | I used VR in the 90s at the seattle science museum | Dec 19 17:06 |
| scientes | and it was the exact same thing they are hyping now | Dec 19 17:07 |
| scientes | and it was super lame then | Dec 19 17:07 |
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| tr_guest|24610 | Your layoffs posts are wrong | Dec 19 17:13 |
| tr_guest|24610 | 1. There were maybe 10-20 layoffs across Azure (a 20k person org) largely concentrated under Eric Boyd, none impacting any core azure engineering teams. | Dec 19 17:13 |
| tr_guest|24610 | 2. Microsoft has been paying contractors the whole time: https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/12/17/microsoft-covid-19-washington-state-support/ | Dec 19 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.microsoft.com | Microsoft commits more than $110M in additional support for nonprofits, workers and schools in Washington state - Microsoft On the Issues | Dec 19 17:14 | |
| tr_guest|24610 | 3. Microsoft headcount went up a lot in 2020 so layoffs have not offset hiring in new areas: https://www.statista.com/statistics/273475/number-of-employees-at-the-microsoft-corporation-since-2005/ | Dec 19 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-• Microsoft: number of employees 2019 | Statista | Dec 19 17:14 | |
| tr_guest|24610 | 4. Retail staff have largely kept their jobs and have be retrained as consumer customer support | Dec 19 17:14 |
| tr_guest|24610 | 5. A PM is a not a manager. Most PMs are ICs with different management chains so a layoff of a pm does not mean they have 100 reports. | Dec 19 17:14 |
| MinceR | lol @ the use of the word "engineering" in relation to anything the redmond mafia does | Dec 19 17:14 |
| MinceR | what does the "M" in "PM" stand for? | Dec 19 17:14 |
| tr_guest|24610 | The name of roles doesn't really matter | Dec 19 17:15 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Dec 19 17:16 |
| tr_guest|24610 | I don't think you will find many companies where a PM has a lot of direct reports | Dec 19 17:16 |
| MinceR | only whatever their marketroids want us to believe matters, right? | Dec 19 17:16 |
| tr_guest|24610 | It's a separate track | Dec 19 17:16 |
| tr_guest|24610 | Like design or whatever | Dec 19 17:16 |
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| MinceR | maybe some PMs wish they were doing design | Dec 19 17:16 |
| tr_guest|24610 | Some PM can be managers but they manage other PMs | Dec 19 17:16 |
| tr_guest|24610 | In general Microsoft has too many PMs so having them laid off is generally a good thing | Dec 19 17:17 |
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| scientes | the whole economy is a game of musical chairs | Dec 19 17:19 |
| scientes | that is the pressure that creates this yuppie thing | Dec 19 17:20 |
| scientes | its hypocrisy | Dec 19 17:20 |
| scientes | it also creates all the parasites out of genius: it is hard for someone to outcompete you for your job if no-one knows what you do (because you don't do anything) | Dec 19 17:21 |
| scientes | the parasites have more job security that people that do things | Dec 19 17:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think they could make Windows better very easily, but they have no interest in that. | Dec 19 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sent spinners here | Dec 19 17:24 |
| schestowitz | with 5 talking points | Dec 19 17:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some parts are not that bad, but there's a lot of advertising and spyware and legacy crap that time forgot. | Dec 19 17:24 |
| schestowitz | wow | Dec 19 17:24 |
| schestowitz | so we must really have hurt their feelings | Dec 19 17:24 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19701319 | Dec 19 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Someone from #microsoft has just come to #techrights IRC to confirm #azure layoffs | Dec 19 17:25 | |
| schestowitz | notice he refuted NOTHING | Dec 19 17:25 |
| schestowitz | all points are positibe SPIN | Dec 19 17:26 |
| schestowitz | not hard to do if you are EAGER | Dec 19 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The layoffs in the Windows area are a serious wtf. | Dec 19 17:26 |
| schestowitz | I've just done a quick video on DRM | Dec 19 17:26 |
| schestowitz | am doing the text now | Dec 19 17:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: ignore him | Dec 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | or her | Dec 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | it's clearly bothering them that (1) | Dec 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | the azure thing | Dec 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | because they are harmed | Dec 19 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | if this thing collapses | Dec 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They say that there will be more testing of their releases before they go out after that October 2018 update but I think it's just damage control. | Dec 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | and the layoffs harm confidence | Dec 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | business don't want to migrate to another platforms | Dec 19 17:27 |
| scientes | schestowitz, same reason you get the anti-RMS trolls (that was 10 years ago, they lost that one) | Dec 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | done that when a client used vmware | Dec 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For all we know it just means they do a smaller random sampling so there's not as much news when things go wrong. | Dec 19 17:27 |
| scientes | anything that destabililizes the pyramid scheme | Dec 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | and they they tossed out their hosting business | Dec 19 17:28 |
| schestowitz | workflows and everything need to change | Dec 19 17:28 |
| scientes | and fear of losing your job is a great way to destabilize the pyramid scheme | Dec 19 17:28 |
| scientes | rather, non-personalized fear | Dec 19 17:28 |
| scientes | personalized fear isolates us | Dec 19 17:28 |
| schestowitz | right | Dec 19 17:28 |
| *tr_guest|87625 has quit (Client Quit) | Dec 19 17:28 | |
| schestowitz | anyway, we need to do more posts about azure layoffs | Dec 19 17:28 |
| schestowitz | I will do one now | Dec 19 17:28 |
| scientes | that's why Greece just bought a fighter jet | Dec 19 17:29 |
| schestowitz | or mention it every other post | Dec 19 17:29 |
| schestowitz | just because | Dec 19 17:29 |
| scientes | they have to give engineers jobs because they are the only people with the skills to see through the lies | Dec 19 17:29 |
| scientes | although this "papers please" regime will wear thin on the general populus too | Dec 19 17:29 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5ouLsqSoZ4 | Dec 19 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Greece parliament set to approve purchase of French fighter jets - YouTube | Dec 19 17:31 | |
| scientes | you don't have to be a genius to realize that you are being lied you: you just have to remember 2 years ago | Dec 19 17:31 |
| scientes | or maybe like 4 years ago | Dec 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One job I had was still using NT 4 and some green screen Unixware terminals. In 2007. | Dec 19 17:32 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qMMChzqeII | Dec 19 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Peru: UNESCO site under threat from squatters - YouTube | Dec 19 17:32 | |
| scientes | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | Dec 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was aging badly at the time and then the guy that remembered how it all fit together retires. | Dec 19 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's all because they don't want to invest in new computers because it'll break some setup they have that only barely worked to begin with. | Dec 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft seems to not want people to know how long their computer is supported, so when it's not anymore, they put it on a LTSC build and special case it so it doesn't get major updates anymore. | Dec 19 17:35 |
| schestowitz | If Azure is Collapsing and Clown Computing a Passing Fad, Why Can't DRM as Well? | Dec 19 17:35 |
| schestowitz | I will keep mentioning Azure | Dec 19 17:35 |
| schestowitz | this will be funny | Dec 19 17:35 |
| schestowitz | they only confirmed what I had written | Dec 19 17:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then it just gets security patches. They do this so there aren't a bunch of old Windows 10 systems out there piling up crawling with malware. | Dec 19 17:35 |
| schestowitz | based on some whistleblowers from Business Insider | Dec 19 17:35 |
| schestowitz | whom DaemonFC[m] first noticed | Dec 19 17:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the problem is people will keep it around even after that LTSC build goes EOL. | Dec 19 17:36 |
| schestowitz | BTW, our employer just sent us vouchers as xmas gifts | Dec 19 17:36 |
| schestowitz | they sent me twice as much as Rianne | Dec 19 17:36 |
| schestowitz | but I guess because she's part-time, not coz she's female | Dec 19 17:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you dig in for more mistakes in the spinner's reply? | Dec 19 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So eventually what malware writers will do is figure out the vulnerabilities common to several LTSC builds and attack the LTSC. | Dec 19 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft just bought companies | Dec 19 17:37 |
| schestowitz | then gutted them | Dec 19 17:37 |
| schestowitz | so no real staff increases | Dec 19 17:37 |
| schestowitz | just contractors and temps | Dec 19 17:37 |
| schestowitz | what does SEC say? | Dec 19 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft is infamous for contractors and temps. | Dec 19 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they offer you a non temp position it means they think very highly of you. | Dec 19 17:38 |
| scientes | XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AS9HWI7r9c | Dec 19 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Azerbaijan president Aliyev visits Nagorno-Karabakh, says Armenia must "answer" for damage - YouTube | Dec 19 17:38 | |
| scientes | Azerbaijan doesn't seem to have much interest in peace | Dec 19 17:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You think? | Dec 19 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's why they have such good retirement benefits. They control who "works there" and who doesn't get fired before they're vested. | Dec 19 17:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So few get it in the end. | Dec 19 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Azerbaijan wants to maximise the profits while they're ahead with Turkey backing them up. | Dec 19 17:39 |
| scientes | but also the people are like this | Dec 19 17:40 |
| scientes | I even met one on the streets here in Georgia | Dec 19 17:40 |
| scientes | they had spontaneous anti-Armenia protests in Baku | Dec 19 17:40 |
| scientes | when the war started | Dec 19 17:40 |
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| XRevan86 | They started the [2020 iteration of the] conflict, so of course they're not interested in peace. | Dec 19 17:40 |
| schestowitz | scientes: how did you get from LatAm to Georgia? What next? Australia? | Dec 19 17:40 |
| scientes | schestowitz, I was in San Francisco for the LLVM conference | Dec 19 17:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus, you can't lay off a contractor or a temp because they're not covered by WARN. | Dec 19 17:41 |
| scientes | XRevan86, this guy I met, he didn't seem to grasp the basic concept that no-body wins in a war | Dec 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | scientes: must be very corporate | Dec 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | seeing who does much of the work on it | Dec 19 17:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Aliyev does %) | Dec 19 17:42 |
| scientes | schestowitz, yes, but it was very differen't in 2013 when I went (also went to GCC conference that year) | Dec 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | red hat | Dec 19 17:42 |
| scientes | schestowitz, the food was certainly top-notch | Dec 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | suse | Dec 19 17:42 |
| scientes | GCC conference was hosted by Google that year | Dec 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | flying places just for food? | Dec 19 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if they worked there for 10 years like that. | Dec 19 17:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They just don't have more work so byeeeeee. | Dec 19 17:44 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the problem I have is that it just confirms my dislike of muslim cultures | Dec 19 17:45 |
| scientes | I am very uneasy with these generalizations, but I have struggled to find counterpoint | Dec 19 17:46 |
| scientes | I need to travel more | Dec 19 17:46 |
| scientes | of course Turkey hates Arabs, so it is definitely satellite in that | Dec 19 17:47 |
| scientes | I guess it is more a nationalistic thing | Dec 19 17:47 |
| scientes | and Turkey has a super ugly history | Dec 19 17:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Have you heard of the teacher murder by a Chechen Muslim? | Dec 19 17:50 |
| XRevan86 | Chechen state TV paints him as a victim of islamophobia. | Dec 19 17:50 |
| XRevan86 | I think *this* is the worst thing that happened to the image of Islam this year. | Dec 19 17:51 |
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| scientes | there certainly have been idiots in france with a death wish | Dec 19 17:52 |
| XRevan86 | The official statement of Russia is that that was an act of terrorism. | Dec 19 17:52 |
| scientes | but claiming death-phobia is islamo-phobia is also pretty silly | Dec 19 17:52 |
| XRevan86 | The official statement of Russia on Chechña trying to paint a terrorist as a victim – we don't know. Classic Pieskov. | Dec 19 17:53 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I don't see any reason to play the blame game in calling names | Dec 19 17:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: A guy beheaded a teacher for showing picture with prior warning. | Dec 19 17:53 |
| MinceR | > they lost that one | Dec 19 17:54 |
| MinceR | except RMS gave up and then they cancelled him | Dec 19 17:54 |
| scientes | and both the official statement of the Kremlin and Chechen are name-calling | Dec 19 17:54 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, but if a white kid in the US kills a black kid it isn't terrorism | Dec 19 17:54 |
| scientes | before any other facts are discussed | Dec 19 17:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't think it's actually terrorism. | Dec 19 17:55 |
| scientes | exactly | Dec 19 17:55 |
| scientes | it sounds like a rage-kill | Dec 19 17:55 |
| XRevan86 | Russia's using "terrorism" left and right. They don't care. | Dec 19 17:55 |
| scientes | similar to coming home and seeing your wife having sex with another man | Dec 19 17:55 |
| scientes | and then murdering someone | Dec 19 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | Liked a picture of a cat? Extremism. Farted in public transport? Terrorism. | Dec 19 17:56 |
| MinceR | > Russia's using terrorism | Dec 19 17:56 |
| MinceR | that is, of course, because they're terrorists | Dec 19 17:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 19 17:56 |
| scientes | and there certainly have been cases in France of people drawing Mohammed with an explicit death-wish----as libel I mean | Dec 19 17:56 |
| scientes | and then when this gets official support, it is pretty disgusting | Dec 19 17:57 |
| scientes | because the thing they are condoning is libel | Dec 19 17:57 |
| scientes | it is not just drawing a picture of the prophet, it is doing so explicitly to defame his name, which is what libel is | Dec 19 17:58 |
| scientes | it makes their criticism of Iran's state security pretty hypocritical | Dec 19 17:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In my opinion, it is apalling to try to paint a straight up murderer as a victim. | Dec 19 18:00 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes it is | Dec 19 18:00 |
| scientes | the fear of death is a reasonable fear, so calling it something else is pretty rediculous | Dec 19 18:01 |
| XRevan86 | The lesson was on freedom of speech, and the teacher asked sensitive students to leave before showing Hebdo caricatures. | Dec 19 18:01 |
| scientes | yeah, sounds like a rage kill | Dec 19 18:01 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/19/linux-drm-not-inevitable/ | Dec 19 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | If Azure is Collapsing and Clown Computing a Passing Fad, Why Can’t DRM Go Away as Well? | Techrights | Dec 19 18:02 | |
| scientes | and the inability of a muslim culture to see this person as a threat to society shows a sickness in the culture | Dec 19 18:02 |
| schestowitz | need to catch typosd | Dec 19 18:02 |
| schestowitz | *typos | Dec 19 18:02 |
| scientes | and my struggle is that I see this as a pattern in muslim cultures | Dec 19 18:02 |
| scientes | that they tend to over-use the word "kill" and they have these carnal desires---like I hear of people bursting out in anger during ramadan if they suspect someone of not fasting | Dec 19 18:03 |
| scientes | I mean, overcoming carnel desires is what the whole fast is about, so if that is a problem I think you are doing the religion wrong | Dec 19 18:04 |
| scientes | and I have met at least one Arab man that had the Koran memorized but swore he was a Christian and not a muslim | Dec 19 18:06 |
| MinceR | maybe for them it's not about that | Dec 19 18:06 |
| scientes | he had seen enough of this carnal desire I talk of | Dec 19 18:06 |
| MinceR | but about keeping to the letter of a "law" (as far as other people know) | Dec 19 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I think it's the inability to openly admit that being overly faithful is not actually a good thing. | Dec 19 18:06 |
| MinceR | so that you get to kill other people for not obeying that "law" | Dec 19 18:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I see it as an inability to recognize Christianity as part of their religion | Dec 19 18:07 |
| MinceR | or at least so you get to feel superior to people who are actually good people and not abrahamics | Dec 19 18:07 |
| XRevan86 | If a person acts on the Bible a bit too much, even the most Christian countries will jail the heck out of them. | Dec 19 18:07 |
| scientes | and that animosity goes back a LONG time | Dec 19 18:07 |
| MinceR | depends on who that person is | Dec 19 18:07 |
| MinceR | if viktor orban did (of which there is no great threat), he'd not be punished | Dec 19 18:08 |
| scientes | XRevan86, or they will put them in the army | Dec 19 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | I'm not considering the social class aspect here. | Dec 19 18:09 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> scientes: I think it's the inability to openly admit that being overly faithful is not actually a good thing. | Dec 19 18:09 |
| scientes | but yeah this really goes at the core of the problems with islam | Dec 19 18:09 |
| scientes | you gets lots of names like "abdullah" (slave to god) | Dec 19 18:09 |
| scientes | or just 3/4 of the boys having some version of mohammed as their name | Dec 19 18:10 |
| scientes | even Mexico with all the Jesúses is not that bad | Dec 19 18:10 |
| scientes | and then I read that piety was once a social status thing in Turkey, before neoliberalism came in | Dec 19 18:11 |
| MinceR | jesii | Dec 19 18:11 |
| scientes | this was a 1950s US commentary | Dec 19 18:11 |
| MinceR | i didn't realize Kemal Atatürk was a neoliberalist :> | Dec 19 18:11 |
| scientes | and that it was a high honour to have a guest room to be able to take in lodgers | Dec 19 18:11 |
| XRevan86 | What do these religious countries do with people who kill their children saying God told them to? | Dec 19 18:12 |
| XRevan86 | as a test of their faith | Dec 19 18:12 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the Koran actually says that if a woman comes to you crazy they must pledge they are not a child-murderer | Dec 19 18:12 |
| scientes | before you take them in | Dec 19 18:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: heh | Dec 19 18:13 |
| scientes | "to commit neither theft, nor adultery, nor child-murder, to utter no monstrous falsehoods of their own invention, and to disobey you in nothing reasonable....60:12 (She who is tested) | Dec 19 18:14 |
| MinceR | is it murder of "God" tells you to do it, though? | Dec 19 18:14 |
| MinceR | s/of/if/ | Dec 19 18:15 |
| scientes | Yeah, while the Koran is constantly stressing the compassion and mercy and forgiveness of God, when it says to not kill your children it does not say that | Dec 19 18:17 |
| scientes | but that it is a grievous sin | Dec 19 18:17 |
| scientes | and you have to realize this is a ubiquitous part of Christian society | Dec 19 18:17 |
| scientes | with all the unwanted-baby-drop-points | Dec 19 18:17 |
| MinceR | inconsistency? | Dec 19 18:18 |
| scientes | (and also the whole story of Moses floating down the river) | Dec 19 18:18 |
| MinceR | it is an integral part of all abrahamic religion | Dec 19 18:18 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: wow | Dec 19 18:23 |
| schestowitz | pleroma? | Dec 19 18:24 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Dec 19 18:24 |
| Ariadne | back to writing my own wayland compositor so i can get work done | Dec 19 18:24 |
| XRevan86 | https://smbc-comics.com/comic/creation 18+ | Dec 19 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Creation | Dec 19 18:25 | |
| scientes | https://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/288438/Azerbaijani_soldiers_filmed_beheading_elderly_Armenian_man | Dec 19 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Azerbaijani soldiers filmed beheading elderly Armenian man - PanARMENIAN.Net | Dec 19 18:32 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/2007297 | Dec 19 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4788990) | Dec 19 18:40 | |
| scientes | https://oc-media.org/features/violets-for-megabytes-online-learning-in-georgia-leaves-students-disconnected/ | Dec 19 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oc-media.org | Violets for megabytes: online learning in Georgia leaves students disconnected | Dec 19 18:40 | |
| scientes | this is a travesty | Dec 19 18:40 |
| scientes | the entire parliment needs to be replaced for letting this happen | Dec 19 18:41 |
| scientes | a government that cannot provide education is not a government | Dec 19 18:41 |
| scientes | and the corruption with Microsoft is disgusting | Dec 19 18:41 |
| scientes | I see teenagers just hanging around, not knowing what to do | Dec 19 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft IS corruption | Dec 19 18:44 |
| scientes | this is what happened in Weimer republic | Dec 19 18:44 |
| scientes | I life with one of these teenagers | Dec 19 18:45 |
| scientes | and education has basically ceased | Dec 19 18:45 |
| scientes | and the soviet education system, that was still functioning quite well, has now ceased functioning | Dec 19 18:45 |
| scientes | because of microsoft and neoliberal influence | Dec 19 18:45 |
| scientes | I am pretty angry about it | Dec 19 18:46 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20072853 | Dec 19 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4788228) | Dec 19 18:52 | |
| scientes | No female conceives or gives birth without His knowledge.--Koran 35:11 | Dec 19 18:54 |
| scientes | MinceR, ^ | Dec 19 18:54 |
| MinceR | weird fetish | Dec 19 18:57 |
| XRevan86 | Oh shite, he doesn't know, I guess I won't give birth then. | Dec 19 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | I had to consider it but if he doesn't know, he doesn't know. | Dec 19 19:00 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> I had to consider it but if he doesn't know, he doesn't know. | Dec 19 19:01 |
| scientes | exactly | Dec 19 19:01 |
| scientes | the Koran is actually amazingly rational | Dec 19 19:01 |
| scientes | like the resurrection boils down to male and female sperm | Dec 19 19:01 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJdu4HV-Ng | Dec 19 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Sound of Muslims - YouTube | Dec 19 19:02 | |
| scientes | yeah you have posted that before | Dec 19 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What if he died without knowing? | Dec 19 19:02 |
| scientes | so what? | Dec 19 19:02 |
| scientes | this isn't a science paper (although there are an abundance of idiots that try to treat it that way) | Dec 19 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Can't give birth then. | Dec 19 19:03 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, but it also says that fasting is mandatory, but that does that mean that you should last out at those you suspect of not fasting? | Dec 19 19:04 |
| scientes | et cetera | Dec 19 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: A caricature on Mr. Prophet? Have to kill the author now. | Dec 19 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | Show no mercy. | Dec 19 19:04 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> Show no mercy. | Dec 19 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | to the enemies of Faith | Dec 19 19:05 |
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| scientes | thar we go | Dec 19 19:05 |
| scientes | religions are neither good nor bad, they are religions. Those buddhist monks are still massacring people in Bangladesh | Dec 19 19:05 |
| scientes | but buddhists have too good of PR in Western propoganda for that to fit into people's realm of acceptable facts | Dec 19 19:06 |
| MinceR | religion poisons the mind | Dec 19 19:06 |
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| MinceR | and spreads | Dec 19 19:06 |
| scientes | it certainly can | Dec 19 19:06 |
| scientes | but I think that just points out that religion is a technology | Dec 19 19:06 |
| scientes | it is neigher good nor bad | Dec 19 19:06 |
| MinceR | no, it's a disease | Dec 19 19:06 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlsSiEpZMQY | Dec 19 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Command -&- Conquer OST - 02 - No Mercy - YouTube | Dec 19 19:07 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's a technology of manipulation of the human mind. | Dec 19 19:07 |
| scientes | XRevan86, so is most things | Dec 19 19:07 |
| XRevan86 | https://lurkmore.so/images/5/51/Ppsssz.jpg | Dec 19 19:07 |
| scientes | except the autonomic nervous system | Dec 19 19:07 |
| XRevan86 | Remembered this for some reason :) | Dec 19 19:07 |
| scientes | HAHAHAHAHA | Dec 19 19:08 |
| scientes | have you see the Over the Moon movie? | Dec 19 19:08 |
| scientes | Más Alla de La Luna | Dec 19 19:08 |
| scientes | and a number of other names | Dec 19 19:08 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 19 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No. Is it good? | Dec 19 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | > The film received generally positive reviews | Dec 19 19:08 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvRcb2Eu6Mw | Dec 19 19:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-“Rocket To The Moon” Karaoke Sing Along Song 🚀 Over the Moon | Netflix Futures - YouTube | Dec 19 19:10 | |
| XRevan86 | I've got a ticket to the Moon | Dec 19 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not good singing. | Dec 19 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | well, it's not bad, but I can tell it's flawed | Dec 19 19:13 |
| scientes | Chinese is the primary language | Dec 19 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ah, that explains it. | Dec 19 19:13 |
| scientes | despite not being a chinese movie | Dec 19 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | why it's so wonky, it's trying to be tonal | Dec 19 19:14 |
| scientes | Chang'e is the name of the Chinese lunar rover | Dec 19 19:14 |
| scientes | nah, that's just it being a childrens song | Dec 19 19:14 |
| scientes | a little too slow | Dec 19 19:14 |
| scientes | this singing is better | Dec 19 19:15 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRFROTUEQ8o | Dec 19 19:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aitana - Volaré (De La Película De Netflix "Más Allá De La Luna") - YouTube | Dec 19 19:15 | |
| scientes | of the same song | Dec 19 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, it is. | Dec 19 19:16 |
| scientes | I am sure you could find it in russian | Dec 19 19:22 |
| scientes | so you will get differn't song | Dec 19 19:22 |
| scientes | https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5959008 | Dec 19 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-?????? ? ?? / Over the Moon (?? ?? / Glen Keane, ?? ?? / John Kahrs) [2020, ???, ??, ??????, ???, ?????, ????, ????, WEB-DLRip] Dub (?????) :: RuTracker.org | Dec 19 19:23 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't trust Russian dubbing in general. | Dec 19 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | it's bad until proven good | Dec 19 19:23 |
| scientes | often amateur? | Dec 19 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | Often not even trying. | Dec 19 19:24 |
| scientes | I got that in Perú, amateur spanish dubs that were horrible | Dec 19 19:24 |
| scientes | on the buses | Dec 19 19:24 |
| scientes | *inter-city buses | Dec 19 19:24 |
| scientes | they did try however, I do know what you are talking about with Russian character where they wouldn't even try | Dec 19 19:24 |
| scientes | they even bothered to put in spanish idioms like "pan comida" (as easy as eating bread) | Dec 19 19:25 |
| scientes | or "a piece of cake" | Dec 19 19:25 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but if you go to the teatre the dub is good? | Dec 19 19:26 |
| scientes | I mean, at least in St. Petersberg. | Dec 19 19:26 |
| scientes | I went to a cinema in Puno, Perú that was almost a brothel, but bring-your-own-woman. | Dec 19 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: My grudge is mostly over TV series. | Dec 19 19:27 |
| scientes | I guess it would be more a cinema-love hotel duo. | Dec 19 19:27 |
| scientes | yeah, but TV series are always horrible in all respects | Dec 19 19:27 |
| kingoffrance | religions are neither good nor bad, woodland critter christmas lol only Daemon will get my reference | Dec 19 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | but it spread to everything | Dec 19 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <scientes "No female conceives or gives bir"> Knowledge in the biblical sense. | Dec 19 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | There's something annoying about words like "read" and "spread". | Dec 19 19:28 |
| scientes | its English | Dec 19 19:28 |
| scientes | I should take a picture of the menu of this new hamburger stand | Dec 19 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cyberpunk 2077 was such a disaster that every store that sold it is making exceptions to their normal return policy. | Dec 19 19:29 |
| scientes | it is half-phonetic | Dec 19 19:29 |
| scientes | it is actually better than if they had used spell check | Dec 19 19:29 |
| scientes | "Koffee" | Dec 19 19:29 |
| scientes | et cetera | Dec 19 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | In Classical Latin C and K were equivalent. | Dec 19 19:29 |
| scientes | it is just that they know cyrillic and georgian, and the concept of a phonetic language not being phonetic would be silly to them | Dec 19 19:30 |
| scientes | (as it is) | Dec 19 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It may look like Fallout New Vegas but at least it needs a $600 graphics card. Because modern. | Dec 19 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fallout New Vegas could be even better if they open sourced the engine, obviously. | Dec 19 19:31 |
| scientes | write read | Dec 19 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's the GECK which makes new levels or even a completely new game, but the binaries are getting up there in age. | Dec 19 19:31 |
| scientes | English is insanity | Dec 19 19:31 |
| scientes | I play the cello | Dec 19 19:32 |
| scientes | more insanity | Dec 19 19:32 |
| scientes | what not chello? BECAUSE | Dec 19 19:32 |
| XRevan86 | I played you, Cello! | Dec 19 19:32 |
| scientes | Cello plays you! | Dec 19 19:32 |
| XRevan86 | In Soviet Russia Cello plays ON YOU | Dec 19 19:33 |
| *scientes blames it on on the Dutch | Dec 19 19:33 | |
| scientes | being the first to widely print the English language | Dec 19 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | But it is "playing *on* a violin", right? | Dec 19 19:34 |
| scientes | (and the first to widely print non-Latin texts---a few Chinese texts also got widely printed) | Dec 19 19:34 |
| scientes | XRevan86, you are right | Dec 19 19:35 |
| scientes | Play on a violin | Dec 19 19:35 |
| scientes | but Play a cello | Dec 19 19:35 |
| scientes | insanity | Dec 19 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Does one play a violoncello or on a violoncello? | Dec 19 19:35 |
| scientes | maybe it is because a violin is sort of horizontal | Dec 19 19:35 |
| scientes | no idea | Dec 19 19:35 |
| scientes | every other language uses violincello | Dec 19 19:35 |
| scientes | as the name | Dec 19 19:35 |
| scientes | but that is not really that strange | Dec 19 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | 'cello is a contraction from violoncello | Dec 19 19:36 |
| scientes | as pianoforte is the only name of that instrument that makes any sense at all | Dec 19 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | Both are correct in English. | Dec 19 19:36 |
| scientes | piano just means "soft" in italian | Dec 19 19:36 |
| scientes | or quitly | Dec 19 19:36 |
| scientes | quietly | Dec 19 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I know it as fortepiano | Dec 19 19:36 |
| scientes | reallly? | Dec 19 19:36 |
| scientes | it was always the other way around | Dec 19 19:37 |
| scientes | pianoforte | Dec 19 19:37 |
| scientes | http://www.gutenberg.org/files/161/161-h/161-h.htm | Dec 19 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I think I saw it this way in English, and it's the more formal word in Russian. | Dec 19 19:37 |
| scientes | chapter 5 | Dec 19 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gutenberg.org | Sense and Sensibility | Dec 19 19:37 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone started a GitHub repo six years ago claiming they would write an open source Fallout New Vegas engine in C# and then never did more than upload a license file. | Dec 19 19:37 |
| scientes | that is certainly a strange Russian reversal | Dec 19 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | Wiktionary says that pianino is a subset of fortepiano's | Dec 19 19:38 |
| *scientes has only ever seen pianoforte | Dec 19 19:38 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's a loan from Italian though. | Dec 19 19:39 |
| scientes | https://www.wordreference.com/definicion/pianoforte | Dec 19 19:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pianoforte - Definición - WordReference.com | Dec 19 19:39 | |
| XRevan86 | both fortepiano and pianino | Dec 19 19:39 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it just means soft-load for gods sake | Dec 19 19:39 |
| scientes | loud | Dec 19 19:39 |
| scientes | because it was an improvement over the harpsicord | Dec 19 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's definitely not a Russian reversal, the order is loaned. | Dec 19 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | I can't tell which order works better in Italian. | Dec 19 19:40 |
| scientes | hmm I wonder why English always has it the one way | Dec 19 19:40 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVtkxtwWr5M | Dec 19 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bach - Sonata for viola da gamba in D major BWV 1028 - Van der Velden | Netherlands Bach Society - YouTube | Dec 19 19:41 | |
| scientes | ^^harpsicord lameness | Dec 19 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that what happened with Mono where Microsoft made a product out of it is pretty funny. | Dec 19 19:41 |
| scientes | you really can only play calm music like that with the harpsicord | Dec 19 19:41 |
| scientes | even when it has steal fucking strings | Dec 19 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not actually pushing their code hard except to release classes that Mono didn't support well. | Dec 19 19:41 |
| scientes | *steel | Dec 19 19:41 |
| scientes | although they were probably rusty iron ones then | Dec 19 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortepiano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano | Dec 19 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fortepiano - Wikipedia | Dec 19 19:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Piano - Wikipedia | Dec 19 19:42 | |
| XRevan86 | My mind is broken. | Dec 19 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | > Not to be confused with Pianoforte (Piano). | Dec 19 19:42 |
| scientes | hahahahahaha! | Dec 19 19:42 |
| scientes | what idiots | Dec 19 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | That's even better than "The most common type of velocipede today is the bicycle. " | Dec 19 19:43 |
| scientes | wikipedia is clearly wrong | Dec 19 19:43 |
| MinceR | "That's clearly wrong." | Dec 19 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | A – Arbitrary Distinctions | Dec 19 19:44 |
| scientes | also, wikipedia won't let you fix things like this anymore | Dec 19 19:47 |
| scientes | as their auto-detect-vandalism-bot will kick in | Dec 19 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fortepiano#English "A keyboard instrument; the smaller, quieter, precursor to the pianoforte." | Dec 19 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | fortepiano - Wiktionary | Dec 19 19:47 | |
| XRevan86 | They're very sure about that anyway. | Dec 19 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | It's probably some musical industry concensus anyway. You can't just chime in and way "this makes no sense, why did you ever think that's a good idea?" | Dec 19 19:48 |
| scientes | it is wrong | Dec 19 19:48 |
| scientes | the article is self-contradictory | Dec 19 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | Pediwikia: the smaller, quieter, precursor to the Wikipedia. | Dec 19 19:49 |
| scientes | XRevan86, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortepiano | Dec 19 19:49 |
| scientes | looks like it stuck | Dec 19 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | Medvied': precursor to Vedmied' | Dec 19 19:50 |
| scientes | nope | Dec 19 19:50 |
| scientes | auto-reverted | Dec 19 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | Metathesis can make a lot more examples like that. | Dec 19 19:50 |
| scientes | that is all wikipedia is anymore anyways | Dec 19 19:51 |
| scientes | grammer nazis | Dec 19 19:51 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it is also just the way musicians (don't) think | Dec 19 19:56 |
| scientes | I should say SOME | Dec 19 19:56 |
| scientes | actually the piano article does nail on about that non-sense | Dec 19 20:00 |
| scientes | that is musician crazy for you | Dec 19 20:00 |
| scientes | or rather The Little Prince crazy | Dec 19 20:00 |
| scientes | that exists in musician world because it is not strictly engineering dicipline | Dec 19 20:00 |
| scientes | I guess we have the same thing with historians that they had to rename "the other rome" because it was stealing all the glory (and was held by infidels). | Dec 19 20:02 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/fdf7f1e4e1d28d5a.jpg | Dec 19 20:14 |
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| MinceR | (cat) (audio:irrelevant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/23/e76ff4f5663ca556.mp4 | Dec 19 21:10 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/cbb80042dbc7822c.jpg | Dec 19 21:33 |
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| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/ae364763bee4df04.mp4 | Dec 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | is that Lamborghini? | Dec 19 22:28 |
| MinceR | could be | Dec 19 22:29 |
| schestowitz | #linuxfoundation ‘brain’ drain https://twitter.com/wget42/status/1340376136036065281 | Dec 19 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wget42: You spelled it wrong. You surely meant The Microsoft Foundation right? https://t.co/4Z7vZRtkcw | Dec 19 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Microwavables: Personal News: Today is my last day at The Linux Foundation/CNCF. Another opportunity came my way that I just could… https://t.co/GONd9CH4aD | Dec 19 22:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wget42/status/1340377642172895234 | Dec 19 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wget42: https://t.co/yYFIcFhsC4 cc @schestowitz | Dec 19 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2019/06/25/linux-foundation-weakens-self/ ) | Dec 19 22:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1340362735415123969 | Dec 19 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: @schestowitz Clown Computing will never pass, providing, ignorant customers see it as just another utility. | Dec 19 22:32 | |
| MinceR | users of that site certainly think it's a lamborghini | Dec 19 22:33 |
| schestowitz | they look like plastic to me, the material | Dec 19 22:33 |
| schestowitz | very overpriced | Dec 19 22:33 |
| schestowitz | for being too low and noisy | Dec 19 22:33 |
| MinceR | yeah | Dec 19 22:35 |
| MinceR | pretty much the only thing lamborghini gets right is the look | Dec 19 22:36 |
| MinceR | the rest of the volkswagen group doesn't do well even at that | Dec 19 22:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/remind2self/status/1340220879733604353 | Dec 19 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@remind2self: @schestowitz Me too, what the hell @Microsoft https://t.co/umMfc9zESg | Dec 19 22:36 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/4b22c0eb1d2e8043.jpg | Dec 19 22:41 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/18/german-bundesrat-approves-ratification-of-unified-patent-court-agreement/#comments | Dec 19 22:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | German Bundesrat approves ratification of Unified Patent Court Agreement - Kluwer Patent Blog | Dec 19 22:42 | |
| schestowitz | see bottom | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Of “If no complaints are filed, two more countries will have to ratify (or otherwise consent to) the PPA for the provisional application phase to come into force”, what does the Vienna Convention on Treaties say? | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Vienna Convention on Treaties, Article 24, Entry into force says: | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | 24.1. A treaty enters into force in such manner and upon such date as it may provide or as the negotiating States may agree. | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | • But, the requirement for UK ratification, that the UPC Agreement provides, has not been satisfied. | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | 24.2. Failing any such provision or agreement, a treaty enters into force as soon as consent to be bound by the treaty has been established for all the negotiating States. | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | • But, all the negotiating states, which include the UK, have not given such consent. | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | • Could the UPC Agreement be amended to allow entry into force without UK ratification? Article 39 allows amendment? | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Article 39: A treaty may be amended by agreement between the parties. The rules laid down in Part II apply to such an agreement except insofar as the treaty may otherwise provide. | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | • It requires agreement between the parties. That includes the UK. | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | • Is there such an agreement? | Dec 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 19 22:42 |
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| psydroid | They are being forced to design their chips due to the cost advantage AWS has with Graviton instances compared to Intel and AMD instances. So if they aren't able to compete there, more layoffs will be coming. | Dec 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | interesting | Dec 19 23:56 |
| schestowitz | I am doing an article about it, DaemonFC[m] | Dec 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: well said | Dec 19 23:59 |
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