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DaemonFC[m]GNOME Calendar reminded me it's Juneteenth. How very not racist of them.Jun 20 01:07
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DaemonFC[m]We had the worst day for new coronavirus cases since May 1st.Jun 20 02:42
DaemonFC[m]Oh between people trying to shop, the protests, and Trump's rallies and conventions, this is not going to let up.Jun 20 02:43
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Trump managed to succeed in convincing his own voters that mail in ballots = fraud.Jun 20 02:45
DaemonFC[m]Many of them are ripping up or burning their mail in ballot applications up in Michigan.Jun 20 02:45
DaemonFC[m]Which means that if anything happens that makes it difficult for them to vote on election day, then Trump will have mostly spent millions to convince some of his base to disenfranchise themselves.Jun 20 02:46
DaemonFC[m]Vanishing from "sociopath" media controlled by right-wing billionaires is probably not a bad idea.Jun 20 02:48
DaemonFC[m]schestowitzwas right about how people get addicted to Facebook or Twitter though.Jun 20 02:48
DaemonFC[m]I don't even really look at Twitter.Jun 20 02:48
DaemonFC[m]Twitter and Facebook have become a spawning point for Nazi Nitwits.Jun 20 02:49
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DaemonFC[m]I kind of gave up even trying to follow the news because Trump voters have started spam posting stupid memes all over the place over and over and the comments section became unusable.Jun 20 02:49
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cubexyzwell if we warp back in time to 1992 I can assure everyone that the level of discussion was much more eruditeJun 20 03:09
cubexyza lot of the people who had internet at that time were University graduates or students, or were from military think tanksJun 20 03:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: In Brazil nearly half of those tested for COVID-19 come out positiveJun 20 03:10
schestowitz> Hi Jun 20 03:15
schestowitz> Jun 20 03:15
schestowitz> I am looking to contact Dr Roy. I have been following the 'Mansion'Jun 20 03:15
schestowitz> story in Seattle, from his website. I understand that he had difficultyJun 20 03:15
schestowitz> receiving the police records. I have received the first instalment if itJun 20 03:15
schestowitz> is of any help. I am currently writing a book and wanted to collaborate. Jun 20 03:15
schestowitzHi Gary,Jun 20 03:15
schestowitzThis is good news. What format is it in? I would be very interested in seeing it and collaborating on this.Jun 20 03:15
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schestowitz55,209 new covid19 cases in brazil yesterday alone...Jun 20 03:40
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schestowitz[17:49] <schestowitz> The four top votegetters via approval voting are:Jun 20 05:22
schestowitz[17:49] <schestowitz> Nina ZakharenkoJun 20 05:22
schestowitzThe first one is MicrosoftJun 20 05:22
schestowitz 20 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nina Zakharenko 💜🐍 (@nnja) on TwitterJun 20 05:23
schestowitz"Advocacy at microsoft"Jun 20 05:23
schestowitzseems like one of those PC people, adding pronouns and stuffJun 20 05:23
schestowitzGuido left when those people were gaining a footholdJun 20 05:23
schestowitz[17:49] <schestowitz> Dustin IngramJun 20 05:24
schestowitzGoogle, as I expectedJun 20 05:24
schestowitz"Dustin Ingram - Senior Developer Advocate - Google"Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz"Jeff Triplett is an open source developer and works as a software engineer, consultant, and partner at REVSYS. He is a Board of Director at The Python Software ..."Jun 20 05:25
schestowitz"Jun 20 05:25
schestowitzJeff TriplettJun 20 05:25
schestowitzLawrence, KSJun 20 05:25
schestowitzJeff Triplett is an open source developer and works as a software engineer, consultant, and partner at REVSYS. He is a Board of Director at The Python Software Foundation.Jun 20 05:25
schestowitzHe occasionally blogs on his website.Jun 20 05:25
schestowitzJeff joined REVSYS as an engineer in 2011. Before that, Jeff worked on Ellington CMS and Marketplace as a lead engineer at Mediaphormedia (birthday place of Django), the interactive division of The World Company in Lawrence, Kansas. Most recently, Jeff has been working with dozens of startups helping them build scalable, cloud-based, and web service-based applications for mobile devices, including mobile platforms.Jun 20 05:25
schestowitzJeff worked with Django before it was officially released and is active in the Django community. He is President of the Django Events Foundation of North America (DEFNA), and has served as Chair, Co-Chair, Vice-Chair, and/or volunteered with DjangoCon US since 2014.Jun 20 05:25
schestowitz"Jun 20 05:25
schestowitzSeems mostly harmlessJun 20 05:26
schestowitz"he/him"Jun 20 05:26
schestowitzvery important to point outJun 20 05:26
schestowitzI didn't know Jeff was a male nameJun 20 05:26
schestowitzthank you for clarifyingJun 20 05:26
schestowitz(from his Twitter account)Jun 20 05:27
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schestowitzGoogle againJun 20 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nominee for 2019 Python Software Foundation Board Election | Python.orgJun 20 05:28
schestowitzPython Software Foundation Board of Directors is 50% Google and 25% MicrosoftJun 20 05:28
schestowitz"Jun 20 05:29
schestowitzPrevious Board Service: 2001-2004, 2017-nowJun 20 05:29
schestowitzEmployer: GoogleJun 20 05:29
schestowitzOther Affiliations: NoneJun 20 05:29
schestowitzNominee Statement:Jun 20 05:29
schestowitzHaving served on the Board for the last two years, and seeing the improvements we've made in that time towards professionalising the Board and the interactions with the (growing) PSF staff, and with expanding the PSFs activities, I'm nominating myself for another three years on the Board of Directors.Jun 20 05:29
schestowitzI'm a Software Engineer at Google, where I'm part of the team that maintains CPython and the internal Python infrastructure. I'm also a long-time CPython core developer, founding PSF member and PSF Board member (2001-2004 and 2017-now). Apart from my technical contributions to CPython, I'm very active on the #python IRC channel on Freenode, where I am (along with Ned Batchelder) the PSF Group Contact, the official point of contact for Jun 20 05:29
schestowitzFreenode, for "official" Python channels (#python and #python-*). This forum isn't always without controversies, but we try to be "fair but firm" in handling any issues.Jun 20 05:29
schestowitzI continue to be incredibly proud of the growth the Python community has seen, in no small part thanks to the efforts of the PSF staff and the PyCon chairs and organisation. I want to foster this growth, expand the PSF in new areas for fundraising and funding of events and activities. I believe the PSF should offer technical and legal support for Python itself, as well as the community. This includes supporting development (through Jun 20 05:29
schestowitzdirect project funding as well as sponsoring sprints), infrastructure, and efforts like translating documentation in more languages. I strongly believe in diversity, inclusivity, transparency, and fostering growth as well as technical excellence, and I would be happy if the PSF spent more of its money on any or all of those. For the past two years I've been one of the Board's Vice-Chairs (part of the Executive Committee), a member of Jun 20 05:29
schestowitzthe Financial Committee that we are in the process of setting up, a member of the PSF Fellows WG (which votes in new PSF Fellows) and a non-voting member of the Code of Conduct WG.Jun 20 05:29
schestowitz"Jun 20 05:29
schestowitzI will not mention names in my article thoughJun 20 05:29
schestowitzbetter to keep it impersonalJun 20 05:29
schestowitzin essense the companies just buy these peopleJun 20 05:30
schestowitzthey are not necessarily from there originallyJun 20 05:30
schestowitzbut they get bought for "influence"Jun 20 05:31
schestowitzand that's a problemJun 20 05:31
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XRevan86> GNOME Calendar reminded me it's Juneteenth. How very not racist of them.Jun 20 10:05
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: It is a day of freedom, no?Jun 20 10:06
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schestowitzXRevan86: nothing wrong with that if they mark other holidaysJun 20 11:06
schestowitzand notify you of them, inc. mlk dayJun 20 11:06
schestowitz[10:06] <XRevan86> DaemonFC[m]: It is a day of freedom, no?Jun 20 11:06
schestowitzI'd use the work liberation rather than freedomJun 20 11:06
schestowitzlike ww2 liberation dayJun 20 11:06
schestowitzfreedom is a conditionJun 20 11:06
schestowitzliberation is the act/eventJun 20 11:06
schestowitzLike when George Bush II liberated Iraq. "Mission Accomplished"Jun 20 11:07
schestowitzthe oil was free to flow to vessels controlled by US carriersJun 20 11:07
XRevan86schestowitz: Right.Jun 20 11:11
schestowitzit's important not to conflate this with other mattersJun 20 11:16
schestowitzsuch as, their COC, or:Jun 20 11:16
schestowitzthe terminology being sanitisedJun 20 11:17
schestowitz(or gnome settling over swpats, their connections to Microsoft etc. Lots of issues with GNOME...)Jun 20 11:17
kingoffranceliberty is also a sea-faring thing...its not freedom, its temporarily go to shore and get drunk/whateverJun 20 11:19
kingoffrancetemporary time-off from your contract from the captain i supposeJun 20 11:19
kingoffrancefreedom i think etmyology is kingdom ...type of dominionJun 20 11:19
kingoffrances/is/same type as/Jun 20 11:19
kingoffranceperhaps invented to distinguish against feudal systemJun 20 11:20
XRevan86kingoffrance: 20 11:20
kingoffrancethis is a "FREE domain"Jun 20 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | -dom - WiktionaryJun 20 11:20
XRevan86boredom is a bore domainJun 20 11:21
kingoffranceyupJun 20 11:21
kingoffrancedictionary i have has "doom"Jun 20 11:21
kingoffranceso i think that makes sense, too, it is the "fate" (or at least, what you hope things will turn out) ... the path a jurisdiction is onJun 20 11:21
kingoffrancenot necessarily bad, but "fate" "judgement" "destiny" what have you, good or badJun 20 11:22
kingoffrancethe course it is onJun 20 11:22
kingoffrancethe track it is supposed to followJun 20 11:22
XRevan86I see it as close to the Latin -arium suffix.Jun 20 11:22
XRevan86And in the sense it is used in boredom and freedom – to the -ness suffix.Jun 20 11:25
XRevan86boreness is pretty much the same thing as boredomJun 20 11:25
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XRevan86to move from an adjective (I am bored) to a noun (boredom surrounds me)Jun 20 11:27
XRevan86I am free → freedom is around meJun 20 11:30
kingoffrancemakes senseJun 20 11:37
kingoffranceyes, you must be in a proper env.Jun 20 11:37
kingoffranceperhaps both internal and externalJun 20 11:37
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kingoffrance"prison bars do not a prison make" i would say is 1/2 truth then, ideally you want both internal and external :)Jun 20 11:38
kingoffrance   the right to be a king lolJun 20 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ rightJun 20 11:40
schestowitz[11:19] <kingoffrance> liberty is also a sea-faring thing...its not freedom, its temporarily go to shore and get drunk/whateverJun 20 11:40
schestowitzUSS Liberty is being bombed by your own allyJun 20 11:40
schestowitz"liberty"Jun 20 11:40
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kingoffrancethis thing? 20 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | USS Liberty incident - WikipediaJun 20 11:41
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kingoffrancewhat little i know of israel, is (according to pbs and others) there was not supposed to be a homeland until messiah arrives, but different factions/religions emerged, with different rules of how to "trigger" that, and nowadays "christians" who want 2nd coming also along for the ride...and theres a rothschild boulevardJun 20 11:43
kingoffranceso, there are various people supporting it for different reasonsJun 20 11:44
kingoffrancebecause they think their 2nd coming messiah will arrive and convert everyone or whatever i guessJun 20 11:44
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kingoffrancepoint being, i think america is always going to be "allied" along those linesJun 20 11:45
kingoffrancebecause they arent being back to the "old world" for sureJun 20 11:45
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kingoffrancei suppose hitler jump started that whether they were supposed to have a homeland or notJun 20 11:47
kingoffrancehis intentions? i dunnoJun 20 11:47
schestowitzhe was catholic, not evangelicalJun 20 11:48
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kingoffranceyes, i have read conflicting thingsJun 20 11:51
kingoffranceescape routes, etc.Jun 20 11:51
kingoffranceor "black sun" alchemy type stuff, red/white/black are philosophers stone colors, swastika has a few meanings, rosicrucians claim it too, etc.Jun 20 11:51
kingoffranceand ive heard some of that stuff was buried, thule society or whateverJun 20 11:52
kingoffranceso i dunno if anyone really knowsJun 20 11:52
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kingoffranceand e.g. i have a golden dawn text that says "yeah, mussolini made a pact with the pope, but dont worry (fellow rosicrucians), no temporal powers were restored" lost circa 1870 IIRCJun 20 11:55
kingoffrancethey basically assured their people dont worry, the vatican will "merge" with protestantsJun 20 11:55
kingoffrancethat text is 1960s new age stuffJun 20 11:55
kingoffrance"newsletter" type thingJun 20 11:55
kingoffrance1920s-1960sJun 20 11:56
kingoffranceout of los angeles IIRCJun 20 11:56
kingoffranceand then it has been said rothschilds are/were vatican bankers received papal preferments, merely enforced the policies of the churchJun 20 11:56
kingoffranceso...its a mess IMOJun 20 11:56
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kingoffrancei saw a thing claim hitler co-opted "aryan" for his own purposes tooJun 20 11:59
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oiaohmkingoffrance:  black sun is another symbol the nazis nicked and ruined the meaning of.Jun 20 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Black Sun Symbol Revelation - Blog viking-workshop.comJun 20 12:39
kingoffranceyeah, rosicrucian and i think some "indians" swastika was lifeJun 20 12:44
kingoffranceso some say hitler reversed it == deathJun 20 12:45
kingoffrancerosicrucian it might be "wheel of life" some zodiac thing, i dunnoJun 20 12:45
kingoffranceits a pinwheel, it spins around :)Jun 20 12:45
kingoffranceits hard to say with symbolsJun 20 12:45
kingoffrancebecause someone else will say it was male, circle was female, etc.Jun 20 12:46
kingoffranceand they might "both be true" depending on "context"Jun 20 12:46
kingoffranceso if you get one little thing wrong, might change "meaning" entirelyJun 20 12:46
kingoffrancesun i think is always male, so i dont think thats a stretchJun 20 12:46
kingoffranceor even if you get everything "right" and fail to notice one little thingJun 20 12:47
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oiaohmswastika is in fact used in Buddhism historic as the foot prints/symbol left behind of where Buddha was draw either way in his life time.       The symbol was not even new then.Jun 20 12:52
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oiaohmkingoffrance: basically there is really no right or wrong way to do a swastka before the nazis messed with it.Jun 20 12:52
oiaohmBlack Sun symbol historically depicts a Solar eclipse.    Of course different cultures give that different meanings again before nazis ruin it.Jun 20 12:54
kingoffranceus pledge used to have a salute, they changed that to distance themselves Jun 20 12:55
kingoffrancethe guy who came up with that was a mason and "christian socialist" and kind of whites are superior, but that was long before nazisJun 20 12:56
kingoffranceand didnt have "under god" that was put by eisnhower IIRC to show we are not "communist"Jun 20 12:56
kingoffranceso they the u.s. pledge transformed a few times depending on who the enemy wasJun 20 12:57
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MinceRBuddha had pretty weird feet if his footprints looked like thatJun 20 13:06
MinceRafaict the nazi salute came from mussolini failing to reproduce the salute shown by some roman emperor statueJun 20 13:06
oiaohmMinceR: to be correct is a foot print with a particular symbol draw inside and the symbol marks who path it was.Jun 20 13:11
oiaohmFun of Buddhism leaving paths for others to follow.Jun 20 13:11
MinceRstill pretty weird feet :>Jun 20 13:11
oiaohmSome of the buddhims ones do get very wacky. 20 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Buddha footprint - WikipediaJun 20 13:12
oiaohmGenuine ones left by the person Buddha themselves are very plain.Jun 20 13:13
MinceRas expectedJun 20 13:13
oiaohmDifferent Buddhism leaders have followed the tradition what is in the foot print has got more complex.Jun 20 13:15
oiaohmIe you cannot use the same pattern in the foot that someone before you has.Jun 20 13:16
oiaohmMinceR:   This is what you have call a way over complex artist drawing of a foot print.Jun 20 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Buddha footprint - WikipediaJun 20 13:17
MinceRoh, that was meant to be a footprint?Jun 20 13:18
MinceRone would think humans knew what a human footprint looks like...Jun 20 13:18
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oiaohmSome of the Buddhism path foot prints really do have you questioning the sanity of humans.  Yes its 5 flame things for the toes all the same size in that drawing.  Yet the person drawing it manages to get creature details all right while getting foot shape complete wrong.Jun 20 13:21
oiaohmTo be correct there is a drawing of that carving and it exactly done the same way.Jun 20 13:22
MinceRmaybe Buddha was using a mechaJun 20 13:22
oiaohmBut that is not Buddha one.Jun 20 13:22
oiaohmBuddha one is a very human shaped foot with a simple swastka  in the centre of foot.Jun 20 13:22
oiaohmThose really complex and really wrong ones  are the ones that came latter.Jun 20 13:23
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kingoffranceyes, that article is exactly right re:  "designed to prop up a debate around what was later coined and promoted as “Open Source” (to distract people from ‘pesky’ ethical issues, including what was associated with liberty and freedom)"     i even see e.g. pro-ms people on freenode saying "linux sucks" "open source" sucks    i.e. attacking straw men    -- whether they like GNU or not, they have no idea why the term "open sJun 20 14:14
kingoffranceource" came aboutJun 20 14:14
kingoffranceso those two terms "linux" "open source" are linked in their minds, because they never even *heard* of gnu/linuxJun 20 14:15
kingoffrancewhich doesnt surprise me at allJun 20 14:15
kingoffrancebut like i said when i first came to this channel: 10-20 years ago, *everyone* on freenode would have at least been *aware* of the issuesJun 20 14:15
kingoffrancewhatever "side" they were onJun 20 14:16
kingoffranceso it is surreal for freenode IMOJun 20 14:16
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kingoffranceeven "superficially aware" they would have known there was a debateJun 20 14:18
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schestowitz"38,000"Jun 20 15:46
schestowitzresultsJun 20 15:46
schestowitzBut...Jun 20 15:46
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schestowitzI think some people have a hard time accessing itJun 20 15:47
schestowitzI am investigating thisJun 20 15:47
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DaemonFC[m]> like ww2 liberation dayJun 20 17:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Liberation is too strong of a word here. Most black people had to enter work agreements with their former owners after the war because of Andrew Johnson.Jun 20 17:24
DaemonFC[m]What needed to be done in the south is something like the Nuremberg Trials thar happened after WWII. Jun 20 17:26
DaemonFC[m]Where they didn't just let the Nazi officials sign some documents and then go right back into the new German government to start over. They executed or gave very long prison sentences to them.Jun 20 17:26
DaemonFC[m]What happened aftee the surrender of the confederacy was that most of them just went right back to it as long as they called it work contracts and poll taxes/literacy tests.Jun 20 17:28
DaemonFC[m]You just call it something different and we got our states back and yay freedom.Jun 20 17:28
DaemonFC[m]Of course those states are so poor and stupid that they've been a drain on taxpaying citizens since the war ended.Jun 20 17:29
DaemonFC[m]The offer from them to pay their share of the national debt and leave was a better deal than having them back, provided that they surrendered their claim to westward expansion.Jun 20 17:30
DaemonFC[m]What they'd actually have today would be a third world country that US states were not responsible for paying welfare money to.Jun 20 17:31
DaemonFC[m]The political nature of the US would make it impossible for a guy like Trump tp come along.Jun 20 17:32
DaemonFC[m]Every bad thing that has happened to this country in the last 170 years and quite a lot of it prior to that is the fault of those dumb shits in the south who vote for people they'd like to go drinking with.Jun 20 17:34
DaemonFC[m]They voted for Trump because they had this corrupt deal where he'd go after Mexicans and fags, right, and then they'd let him give our money to billionaires. Except that the Supreme Court just took a machete to his order to get rid of DACA and civil rights protections for LGBT.....Jun 20 17:36
DaemonFC[m]"We pretend he's a Christian. He pretends he cares about what we want. It's an equitable arrangement, wouldn't you say?"Jun 20 17:36
MinceR:>Jun 20 17:39
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Mandy was playing ringtones on his iPhone. The xylophone one is from American Beauty.Jun 20 17:41
DaemonFC[m]I was like "Wait! Go back. I want that one!".Jun 20 17:41
DaemonFC[m]He didn't understand why.Jun 20 17:42
DaemonFC[m]MinceR It's playing while Lester Burnham (Kevin Spacey) is self-narrating jerking off in the shower and how it will be the high point of his day.Jun 20 17:46
MinceR:>Jun 20 17:46
DaemonFC[m]"It all goes downhill from here "Jun 20 17:47
kingoffrancei used to know a guy from tn.  i asked him what florida was like   "oh, its still south/redneck, but they have tans" lolJun 20 17:48
scienteskingoffrance, and massive unemployeementJun 20 18:12
schestowitzHi guysJun 20 18:12
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I need your adviceJun 20 18:12
schestowitzwe are about to report on a pedophile who worked for Bill GatesJun 20 18:12
schestowitzI have hundreds of pages of police and court materialJun 20 18:12
schestowitzand the man is apparently gay, tooJun 20 18:13
schestowitzso asking you, as a gay man, does the sexual orientation merit any mention at all in this story? Is it relevant?Jun 20 18:13
DaemonFC[m]I'd say it's irrelevant because it would just further a myth that's very popular on the far-right (and unfortunately accepted near the center of the American political spectrum too) that gay men are more likely to molest children, and there is no evidence of that in police statistics or mainstream psychiatry. I think it's dangerous because I've even seen the police in Illinois try baiting gay men into saying theyJun 20 18:22
DaemonFC[m]would have sex with a 16 year old, when there appears to be no organized dragnet to find men or women who would have sex with 16 year old of the opposite gender. Unfortunately, there seems to be a pecking order where the police try hardest to go after gay men followed by straight men going after teenage girls, followed by women going after teenage boys. It's a steep drop each time.Jun 20 18:22
DaemonFC[m]There's clearly a "values judgment" being made here where what is theoretically the exact same offense is being used as a witch hunt against gay men, even in 2020 in blue states.Jun 20 18:23
DaemonFC[m]The cops/prosecutors will use whatever laws they can get their hands on and try to claim that the law is the law because it is theoretically neutral, even when it obviously isn't.Jun 20 18:24
DaemonFC[m]It seems like the prosecutor here in Lake County, IL....Mike Nerheim (a Republican) is totally fine with using the age of consent laws as a way to troll gay men.Jun 20 18:24
schestowitz> Keep me posted. Jun 20 18:25
DaemonFC[m]It also appears that the police in some areas of Lake County should be fired to save taxpayer money since they have nothing better to do.Jun 20 18:25
schestowitzI have received  the 5 files and am reviewing them all. They're 100% consistent with what we reported in  and add additional information.Jun 20 18:25
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: thanks fro clarifying thisJun 20 18:25
DaemonFC[m]It goes on unchecked because "Who wants to be the first guy to go defend a 'child molester'?".Jun 20 18:26
schestowitzthanksJun 20 18:26
schestowitzI am typing some thingsJun 20 18:26
DaemonFC[m]I think we need to reconsider what the laws are. Consensual sex with an older teenager should at least be reflected in the legal code as a petty offense.Jun 20 18:27
DaemonFC[m]Theoretically, sex with a 16 year old in Illinois is the same as charging after someone with a knife. I just don't see how, except "moral panic".Jun 20 18:28
DaemonFC[m]If you bumped it down to a Class C Misdemeanor, the prosecutor would quit bothering with it unless it was charged alongside a more serious offense.Jun 20 18:28
schestowitzReading documents from Seattle PD at the moment. Disturbed at (and by) what I am reading so far...Jun 20 18:29
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: next questionJun 20 18:29
schestowitzlet me put it like thisJun 20 18:29
schestowitzis it normal for a man about 50 y-o to photograph kids in the beachJun 20 18:29
schestowitzand if so, might that somehow give clue into 'practice'?Jun 20 18:30
*schestowitz doesn't have experience reporting on pedophilesJun 20 18:30
DaemonFC[m]Well, I think that it's creepy, but I'm just not seeing how there's a law being broken here unless it's a private beach where you would have to trespass to get a picture in the first place. Then it could be trespassing with disorderly conduct as a peeping tom offense. Also, invasion of privacy. Jun 20 18:31
DaemonFC[m]In public areas, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy, and taking photos of people in public might make them angry, but if they have clothes on there's not really much that can be done about it.Jun 20 18:32
DaemonFC[m]Legally, it depends on how you got to the beach and whether it is private property or not.Jun 20 18:33
DaemonFC[m]I heard that there's going to be a nudist beach nearby soon, but I'm not sure what the policy of having kids there is. In any event, it would be a felony at both the state and federal levels to take pictures.Jun 20 18:34
DaemonFC[m]It's also a felony for underage minors to take nudes of themselves. They are producing child pornography (of themselves), and the government has charged people with a crime against themselves.Jun 20 18:34
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "and if so, might that somehow gi"> It might be probable cause/reasonable suspicion for the police to look into it further. It depends on factors.Jun 20 18:36
DaemonFC[m]It could also get his stuff searched by the police if someone made an accusation that he photographed an underage minor nude even if he didn't, but since the search would be legal, anything the police find during the search could be admitted as evidence of a crime.Jun 20 18:37
DaemonFC[m]The police know what they can get away with and you can count on them pushing the envelope as much as they can.Jun 20 18:38
DaemonFC[m]So the best idea is to not draw attention to yourself if you are breaking any laws.Jun 20 18:38
DaemonFC[m]I would say that whether they can start investigating someone for taking pictures at a beach very much depends on what judge they ask for a warrant and what they put in their request for one. Remember, also, that they police lie to judges to get warrants.Jun 20 18:40
DaemonFC[m]So they could obviously throw in something like "He was fondling himself as he was taking the pictures and we think there might be something going on here." even if he wasn't.Jun 20 18:40
DaemonFC[m]The police just lie in general. They'll lie to you. They'll lie in their report. They'll lie to the judge and jury.Jun 20 18:42
DaemonFC[m]Keep that in mind. They promise/threaten to do things that they can't really do.Jun 20 18:43
DaemonFC[m]There's only really two things you do know if you find yourself at a booking station. You've been arrested and talking to them can only make it worse, not better.Jun 20 18:44
kingoffrancecop: your cigarette smells like marijuana me: its not  cop: mind if i search your car?   me: what if i say no?   cop: im going to do it anyways, but it makes you look better if you cooperateJun 20 18:44
kingoffranceso yeah....smells like wacky tobaccy to me, ima gonna searchJun 20 18:45
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kingoffranceme: so whyd you ask me?   cop: <no reply>Jun 20 18:45
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If I was a defense attorney and my client told me that they had child pornography, that it was encrypted, and that the government wanted the decryption passphrase and couldn't proceed without it, my advice would be "Shut up, don't give it to them, and let the judge hold you in contempt.". They can only hold you in contempt for 6 months.Jun 20 18:45
DaemonFC[m]If that person gave them the passphrase, they could get a 10,000 year sentence.Jun 20 18:46
DaemonFC[m]Obviously it's better to do 6 months for contempt and hope they never figure out how to crack the encryption.Jun 20 18:46
DaemonFC[m]It's best not to have it in the first place though.Jun 20 18:46
DaemonFC[m]That actually happened in at least one case that Ars Technica reported on.Jun 20 18:47
DaemonFC[m]Guy did 6 months for contempt and they had to let him out and I don't think they ever did figure out how to decrypt it.Jun 20 18:47
DaemonFC[m]So he's been enjoying his freedom for 14 years now.Jun 20 18:47
DaemonFC[m]Everyone who goes to court ha contempt for the court.Jun 20 18:48
DaemonFC[m]I'm with Larry Flynt on this one.Jun 20 18:48
DaemonFC[m]Right to the Supreme Court. This is one of those South Park moments where Cartman shouts something and Kyle goes "Holy shit, dude!".Jun 20 18:49
DaemonFC[m]Why on Earth would you cooperate with the police while they're investigating you? I mean, on what planet does that sound like a good idea. Because it sure as fuck isn't this one.Jun 20 18:53
CrystalMath<schestowitz> is it normal for a man about 50 y-o to photograph kids in the beach <- his own kids? yesJun 20 18:54
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: MinceR My general thinking on crime is that unless there's a good chance at making off with a bag full of $100s or something, count me out.Jun 20 18:54
DaemonFC[m]So far, I haven't had that opportunity yet.Jun 20 18:54
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DaemonFC[m]I don't know why anyone gets arrested for fucking a 16 year old. People turn 18 every day and a lot of them are into older men. Have at it. Jun 20 18:55
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: well it's only in puritanical countriesJun 20 18:55
CrystalMathyou have to be a very specific kind of authoritarian to ban itJun 20 18:55
DaemonFC[m]I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. In general, there isn't.Jun 20 18:56
DaemonFC[m]The law is what it is.Jun 20 18:56
CrystalMathin China, for example, the AoC is 14Jun 20 18:56
DaemonFC[m]The law has nothing to do with right and wrong.Jun 20 18:56
DaemonFC[m]You break the law, you get in trouble.Jun 20 18:56
CrystalMathyeah but when the law is not in agreement with what the people thinkJun 20 18:56
MinceR20 195328 < DaemonFC[m]> Why on Earth would you cooperate with the police while they're investigating you?Jun 20 18:56
CrystalMaththe law can be changed, either through protests or through votingJun 20 18:56
MinceRthe people who step on your face with their jackboots appreciate you being nice to themJun 20 18:56
CrystalMathhowever!Jun 20 18:56
CrystalMathin the US, a lot of people are puritansJun 20 18:57
MinceRwelcome to Planet Authoritarianism.Jun 20 18:57
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "the people who step on your face"> I didn't say be impolite. Very politely tell them that you don't answer questions from the police and it's nothing personal.Jun 20 18:57
DaemonFC[m]There's always time for good manners.Jun 20 18:57
CrystalMathi spoke to a lot of people, who were genuinely shocked that someone can believe that 16-year-olds have sexJun 20 18:57
MinceRall this planet needs is a major extinction eventJun 20 18:57
CrystalMaththis was ofc on ##rmsJun 20 18:57
CrystalMathwhich is how i got here in the first placeJun 20 18:57
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They want to be Very Polite Nazis. I'll very politely decline to help them do anything that isn't already coming my way.Jun 20 18:58
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Why do you think that thing last year went from two A Misdemeanors to court supervision on a C Misdemeanor that ends with dismissal?Jun 20 18:59
DaemonFC[m]The state had a very weak case and decided to square up so that it didn't leave with nothing after spending an enormous amount of time and money on me.Jun 20 18:59
DaemonFC[m]Putting me on supervision gives me another year of "Fuck up again and you're dead meat.".Jun 20 19:00
DaemonFC[m]Maybe they get to take another swing at me.Jun 20 19:00
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DaemonFC[m]Supervision isn't a gift. It's what the state does with weak cases as a way of saying "Please fuck this up so that I can destroy you.".Jun 20 19:01
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: A lot can happen in a year though.Jun 20 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Shitdick moved to the other side of the country and who knows where his fucktoy is. He's an illegal. Maybe he got deported.Jun 20 19:02
DaemonFC[m]So the longer you can go, the more likely it is that if it does come back up, the state will be too disorganized to proceed.Jun 20 19:03
DaemonFC[m]Don't make it easy for them. Demand your right to confront your accusers in court.Jun 20 19:03
DaemonFC[m]If the state can't make them available, that's the state's fucking problem.Jun 20 19:03
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It matters less about defenses raised than it does about "I command you to make this guy that's 3,000 miles away and this other guy that's back in Mexico appear in your courtroom right now.".Jun 20 19:04
DaemonFC[m]If they want to take another crack at it then they'll have to figure out how to get these people into a courtroom here.Jun 20 19:05
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Part of me wants to wait until the day after the supervision ends and then call up Shitdick and say "Gambled and lost. How's the car? Very repossessed? Try bankruptcy. Worked for me!".Jun 20 19:06
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The funny part that John doesn't realize is that the Trustee in my bankruptcy case can seize the Kia and sell it off to raise money for my creditors.Jun 20 19:09
DaemonFC[m]So unless John can come up with $6,000 he's losing the car and the Trustee will auction it off and spread the money around to all of my creditors, and John might end up getting $100 of it back.Jun 20 19:10
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I told my bankruptcy lawyer to assert that the value of the car is as high as can reasonably be declared and then not to exempt it.Jun 20 19:11
DaemonFC[m]Because I knew that John could end up having to pay the Trustee half of the book value to be dispersed to my creditors.Jun 20 19:12
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MinceR:>Jun 20 19:13
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So he's been killing himself to make the installments on the car and then he'll lose it in the end anyway after being out thousands of dollars.Jun 20 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Or he'll end up paying $30,000 for a car that had a $19,000 MSRP in 2018.Jun 20 19:14
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So yeah, he thought he'd use the police to get me out of his house, and then he ended up creating a minor annoyance for me that's ultimately going to cost him $6,000-10,000 depending on whether he decides to lose ($6,000) or keep ($10,000) the car, on top of the fact that he'll still owe $19,400 on a car that has depreciated to $11,000.Jun 20 19:16
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DaemonFC[m]Sheridan (B5) pushing buttons: "Good morning, gentlemen! This is your wake-up call." *nukes go off destroying a third of the Shadow/Vorlon fleets*Jun 20 19:17
MinceRhow are you gentlemen !!Jun 20 19:17
DaemonFC[m]You have no chance. Make your time!Jun 20 19:18
DaemonFC[m]iircJun 20 19:18
MinceRall your base are belong to us.Jun 20 19:18
MinceRyou are on the way to destruction.Jun 20 19:18
DaemonFC[m]Someone set us up the bomb!Jun 20 19:19
kingoffrancethe guy who made the zig language used to hang out in osdev so i linked him to   thats about the time he stopped hanging around Jun 20 19:21
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kingoffrancei was just trying to motivate himJun 20 19:21
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I left him with three realistic options with the car.  1. Do nothing. Let them take it. Get sued for $18,000. / 2. Keep it. Find a way to come up with $6,000 and the $19,400 left on the loan, plus the 22 installments of $404.91 already paid. / 3. File bankruptcy too, and then good luck getting an apartment in any major city outside the high crime area.Jun 20 19:21
DaemonFC[m]I can't imagine that there are any bankruptcy lawyers in Seattle that aren't charging at least $1,600 + the $335 filing fee, and then if he has any non-exempt assets he loses them.Jun 20 19:23
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DaemonFC[m]Probably Option 3 is the least shitty option, and it still costs him $2,000 and ruins his credit for 10 years.Jun 20 19:23
DaemonFC[m]He'll also lose the car having already paid almost $10,000 that he'll never see again.Jun 20 19:24
DaemonFC[m]The cost of fucking me over starts at $12,000, lose the car, shitty credit for 10 years, and could run as high as $30,000 to keep a Kia.Jun 20 19:25
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DaemonFC[m]3 more bankruptcies in Waukegan. Brings us up to 17 bankruptcies here since I filed mine on the 26th.Jun 20 19:32
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Lots of "blockchain" companies filing bankruptcy.Jun 20 19:33
DaemonFC[m]Bullshit bingo had its run, I guess.Jun 20 19:33
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schestowitzBill and Melinda Gates Employee Took Photos of Young Boys at the Beach #billgates #expose #gatesfoundation #seattle #pedophiliaJun 20 19:39
schestowitzpart one of many, DaemonFC[m]Jun 20 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill and Melinda Gates Employee Took Photos of Young Boys at the Beach | TechrightsJun 20 19:39
schestowitzany thoughts welcomeJun 20 19:39
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schestowitz"Jun 20 19:56
schestowitzAt approximately 0725 hours, Detective E. Inman and I searched the only bedroom inJun 20 19:56
schestowitzthe apartment. During the search, I located a collection of gay Asian videos (“IslandJun 20 19:56
schestowitzCaprice Studios”) in the dresser drawers and on the floor next to the television. TheJun 20 19:56
schestowitzcollection of videos were photographed but not collected as evidence. I did locate a 380Jun 20 19:56
schestowitzcaliber Sig Arms P232 pistol (Serial #s245179) and five boxes of ammunition in theJun 20 19:56
schestowitzbottom dresser drawer. The Sig Arms pistol was photographed but not collected asJun 20 19:56
schestowitzevidence.Jun 20 19:56
schestowitz"Jun 20 19:56
schestowitzany IP reverse dns gurus here/Jun 20 19:56
schestowitzI have a long list of IPsJun 20 19:56
schestowitzI need to find out if any belongs to the Gates mansionJun 20 19:56
schestowitzI see many/most are in SeattleJun 20 19:56
schestowitzbut exactly location is hard to decipher/mapJun 20 19:56
schestowitzthat may be the million-dollar question right nowJun 20 19:57
schestowitz"Jun 20 19:58
schestowitzAt approximately 0805 hours, Detective E. Inman and I cleared the scene.Jun 20 19:58
schestowitzI later requested Bellevue Police Records enter Rick A. Jones’ information intoJun 20 19:58
schestowitzWACIC/NCIC with results showing he did not have a concealed pistol license (CPL) orJun 20 19:58
schestowitzany firearms registered in his name. Bellevue Police Records then entered the SigJun 20 19:58
schestowitzArms pistol’s serial number into WACIC/NCIC with no results found.Jun 20 19:58
schestowitz"Jun 20 19:58
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DaemonFC[m]“JONES views his CP [child pornography] collection 2-3 x weekly and masturbates to the files about 70% of the time”Jun 20 20:18
DaemonFC[m]Not sure why he would tell a police detective that, or anything, honestly.Jun 20 20:18
DaemonFC[m]It's a bad move to admit to anything that's not part of a deal for a lighter sentence, and even then, only through a lawyer.Jun 20 20:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I suppose that, directly, Bill Gates being near a lot of child super predators may not mean that Gates himself is a pedophile, but may be indicative of the fact that people who engage in unethical behavior often have a preference to keep company that has dirty laundry. It makes it more likely that surrounding yourself with these people means that your orders will be carried out and also means that if theJun 20 20:22
DaemonFC[m]defy you, you an "become aware" of their behavior and "be so disgusted by it" that you "had to say something".Jun 20 20:22
DaemonFC[m]*canJun 20 20:22
DaemonFC[m]There's no honor among criminals, so the control mechanism is that you know where the other guy's skeletons are. Jun 20 20:23
kingoffrance^^^Jun 20 20:23
kingoffranceor plant skeletons, yesJun 20 20:23
kingoffranceor require skeletons as part of "oath" whateveJun 20 20:24
kingoffranceor "initiation" what have youJun 20 20:24
kingoffranceeither prior or make new onesJun 20 20:24
DaemonFC[m]People use kompromat all the time, but it's so pervasive in Russian politics that it became a loan word in English.Jun 20 20:25
kingoffranceits been hinted that is what epstein was doing: making skeletons for people, but i dunnoJun 20 20:26
kingoffranceas in, it was all approved by whoeverJun 20 20:26
DaemonFC[m]I'd guess that the child porn is something that Gates knew about and sat on in case these people ever got out of control in a way that was bad for him. All you have to do at that point is tell the cops what he's doing and throw him under the bus, then a lot of good whatever he thinks he has on you is. He's sitting in prison as a guy who masturbates to 7 year olds. Why would you believe that guy? Eww.Jun 20 20:27
kingoffranceyupJun 20 20:27
DaemonFC[m]This is a Hitler and Ernst Rohm situation here.Jun 20 20:28
DaemonFC[m]Useful to get the Nazis in power, then becomes a liability and Hitler suddenly becomes aware of the SA fucking each other in the showers.Jun 20 20:28
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: A successful loan word is a sign that the loaners catched up to the pioneers who coined the term :)Jun 20 20:29
DaemonFC[m]I'd say that Trump surpassed Putin in many ways and the only reason the US isn't in more trouble than it is, is due to government dysfunction and a few Republican Party old guard here and there.Jun 20 20:29
DaemonFC[m]In theory, there's nothing stopping Trump from sacking people until his orders are carried out.Jun 20 20:30
DaemonFC[m]The fact that he hasn't done that with the military tells us that most of the top leadership would resign and it would be very bad optics leading into an election.Jun 20 20:31
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: The Russian officials can't even admit that they've already amended the Constitution.Jun 20 20:31
XRevan86they want it that much to make it seem that the magic will happen after the voting.Jun 20 20:31
DaemonFC[m]Trump has managed to piss off a not-insignificant portion of the Republican Party.Jun 20 20:31
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Is the US as bad legally?Jun 20 20:32
DaemonFC[m]It's becoming evident in polls of states like Utah and Texas showing that it's going to be close and he might have to defend states like that too.Jun 20 20:32
XRevan86Legal procedure is a joke.Jun 20 20:32
XRevan86Even when it comes to the basics like the Constitution.Jun 20 20:32
DaemonFC[m]Obviously, money he spends trying to keep red states from getting away from him hurts his campaign even if he ends up winning those states in the end.Jun 20 20:32
DaemonFC[m]He may end up having to dump $50-60 million in ad spends and campaign activity in states that no Republican could possibly lose previously.Jun 20 20:33
XRevan86The only thing Trump has surpassed Putin with is making stupid remarks.Jun 20 20:34
DaemonFC[m]That's something that he can't allocate to one of the more traditional swing states. Of which, he can't afford to lose any.Jun 20 20:34
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, he's careless with his remarks and that's why it's becoming harder and harder for some people in the middle to justify continuing to support him.Jun 20 20:34
XRevan86Putin is not the most smartest stable geniusJun 20 20:34
DaemonFC[m]When I'm talking to a government official, I try as hard as I can to avoid making remarks at all.Jun 20 20:35
DaemonFC[m]If you can't avoid making remarks, you can try a filibuster.Jun 20 20:35
DaemonFC[m]Make remarks that don't help them, and a lot of them. That way they have to sit there and sift through a bunch of crap.Jun 20 20:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mirroring YouTube Videos to PeerTube []Jun 20 20:36
DaemonFC[m]It's a bad idea to talk to the cops, but an especially bad idea to tell them anything that the prosecutor will pull up that goes to state of mind or character later showing that you knew you were breaking the law and didn't care, and/or are absolutely remorseless.Jun 20 20:38
DaemonFC[m]They eat that shit up and if you hint that you did something on purpose, didn't care it was illegal, and have contempt for the alleged victim, you pulled yourself a hat trick if your goal is going to the slammer.Jun 20 20:38
DaemonFC[m]In Illinois, possession of child porn might not actually be a criminal offense if and when you get to court.Jun 20 20:39
DaemonFC[m]There's actually a couple of mitigating factors that can be raised as an affirmative defense.Jun 20 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Like, "I got those photos from a Reddit that said it was for legal teens and people in their 20s and how the hell was I supposed to know this particular one was 17?".Jun 20 20:40
XRevan86spider senseJun 20 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Or, "It was in my browser cache from scrolling through Reddit." or the state found it as a deleted file.Jun 20 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Courts have ruled that this is different, legally, than saving it to a dedicated folder. Jun 20 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Courts have thrown out part or all of such cases because the files that were in the "de-allocated portion of the file system" or a web browser cache were not allowed into evidence.Jun 20 20:42
XRevan86Makes sense, as only in the latter case the intent is clear.Jun 20 20:42
DaemonFC[m]The ruling was that this is not "being in possession of".Jun 20 20:43
DaemonFC[m]Well, Tor warns not to save anything to persistent storage or open downloaded files.Jun 20 20:44
DaemonFC[m]That's basically why. Tor might hide you from being monitored as traffic goes over the network, but if the police raid you and you have hard drives and flash drives overflowing with illegal shit, it doesn't matter anymore.Jun 20 20:45
DaemonFC[m]In the case of the Windows Advanced Systems Format container, you could write a book on why opening anything in such a container, especially on Windows, is very dangerous.Jun 20 20:46
DaemonFC[m]The police could set up a honeypot where you download something that says ".wmv" and when Windows opens it, the file says "I have Windows Media DRM and you need to ask this server for a license.", so it does, and then your IP is logged because the DRM server is really the FBI getting pings from people who opened that file.Jun 20 20:47
DaemonFC[m]About 15 years ago, I opened a Windows Media Audio file I found on a pirate website. It opened up Internet Explorer and installed malware on my computer because it said it had DRM and I needed to get a license file from that website.Jun 20 20:48
DaemonFC[m]The interesting part is that even though it said it needed a license, there was no actual DRM on the files, so when I recovered from the attack, I pulled the WMA data out of the container and remuxed it into a clean container. Jun 20 20:50
DaemonFC[m]:/Jun 20 20:50
DaemonFC[m]This lens cleaner does an okay job, until there's a big greasy smudge on your eyeglass lenses.Jun 20 21:03
DaemonFC[m]Then you need to use a drop of dish soap and water every week or two to get that off.Jun 20 21:03
DaemonFC[m]Considering LASIK if I can ever afford it.Jun 20 21:04
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grandpaC3POHello, does anyone know if AMD makes their CPUs in China btw? I'm currently researching for computer hardware manufacturers that make their parts anywhere besides China.Jun 20 22:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - LifeJun 20 23:36
cubexyzCPUs are made in Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon and MassachusettsJun 20 23:36
cubexyzalso China, Ireland and IsraelJun 20 23:37
cubexyzthen there's assembly and testing in Malaysia, China, Costa Rica and VietnamJun 20 23:37
cubexyzthat might be intel actuallyJun 20 23:37
cubexyzI'm not sure if AMD still has their own foundries nowJun 20 23:39
insmodppaThink they still rely on TSMC.Jun 20 23:40
cubexyzyesJun 20 23:40
MinceRi thought they relied on GlobalFoundriesJun 20 23:42
XRevan86 an EcoTechnoPark's plead has been accepted and so there will be another examination of the Shiyes dumping ground (after a ruling that it's illegal crap).Jun 20 23:43
XRevan86Another lesson about letting one's guard down I guess.Jun 20 23:43
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cubexyzGlobalFoundaries abandoned development of 7nm processJun 20 23:44
cubexyzso I think AMD switched to TSMC exclusivelyJun 20 23:44
cubexyzat least for 7nm CPUs and GPUsJun 20 23:44
MinceRicJun 20 23:46
oiaohmcubexyz:   that not new they stopped 7nm work in 2018 in fact.Jun 20 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GlobalFoundries Press Release - GlobalFoundries Stops All 7nm Development: Opts To Focus on Specialized ProcessesJun 20 23:49
oiaohmcubexyz:   Really I agree with this move that AMD can use any foundry for 7nm.  With the trump embargo crap TSMC might end up off the table.Jun 20 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AMD Amends Wafer Supply Agreement with GlobalFoundries: 7nm Freed, 12nm+ Targets Set Through 2021Jun 20 23:53
cubexyzoiaohm, this must be close to the point electron tunneling occurs?Jun 20 23:54
oiaohmYes AMD has none of there own mass production foundaries.   They have a handful of R&D foundries.Jun 20 23:54
cubexyzhow much smaller can it go?Jun 20 23:54
oiaohmSome ways it would be wise for AMD to buddy up with Samsung if possible.Jun 20 23:56
MinceRthey used to have one, that was spun off as GF :>Jun 20 23:57

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