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| schestowitz | they don't wash afterward and maybe they don't even know they have the virus... "the".... VIRUS | Jul 20 00:00 |
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| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: I don't get it | Jul 20 00:00 |
| schestowitz | also leave the shoes outside the door | Jul 20 00:00 |
| kingoffrance | the calculator might save your life in danger like a rifle | Jul 20 00:00 |
| kingoffrance | you need conviction, split second decisions | Jul 20 00:01 |
| kingoffrance | cat-like reflexes | Jul 20 00:01 |
| XRevan86 | Adversary with a rifle, your days are NUMBERED! | Jul 20 00:02 |
| schestowitz | FL +12,478 cases today | Jul 20 00:02 |
| schestowitz | total tests 3,002,641 | Jul 20 00:02 |
| schestowitz | 350,047 positive | Jul 20 00:02 |
| schestowitz | so you can imagine what % of the people there have it, roughly | Jul 20 00:02 |
| schestowitz | TX 3,207,857 tests | Jul 20 00:03 |
| schestowitz | 335,459 cases | Jul 20 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Connecticut Arkansas Nebraska Rhode Island and Idaho not reporting yet | Jul 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz | it can be 60k+ new cases on a Sunday | Jul 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz | July 12 was 58k | Jul 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Trump says it's just a flu | Jul 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz | so let him "the macho man" have it | Jul 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz | it's just a flu after all | Jul 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz | let's see if the 70+ y-o can take it better than Bozo Johnson | Jul 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz | "I CAN'T BReathE!! I CAN'T BReathE!!" -- Trump | Jul 20 00:06 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz | "Let me call my daughter" | Jul 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz | "IvanKA, I can'e breathe" | Jul 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz | then he'll blame "ANTIFA" for giving that to him | Jul 20 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | or lack of morning covfefe | Jul 20 00:08 |
| schestowitz | bolsonaro had it or has it | Jul 20 00:08 |
| schestowitz | but he's younger and not obese | Jul 20 00:08 |
| schestowitz | it's not unthinkable this can kill Trump before the election day | Jul 20 00:08 |
| schestowitz | he might even chlorinate himself to death over it | Jul 20 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: If he's like Putin, he's making sure he doesn't. | Jul 20 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | even if he's the last man standaing | Jul 20 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | standing | Jul 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Putin has more class than his butler, Don | Jul 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz | He also sounds a lot less dumb or demented | Jul 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz | even in a foreign language | Jul 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz | I can't judge his Russian, but his mind seems to be in tact and he speaks fast and sensibly | Jul 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz | evil, but not demented | Jul 20 00:10 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: He rarely goes off script | Jul 20 00:11 |
| XRevan86 | and when he does, it's not pretty | Jul 20 00:12 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: He doesn't debate, or answer questions of uncontrolled press, so it's a rare occasion when he needs to improvise. | Jul 20 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: Amusingly, the Trump campaign wants more debates with Biden. | Jul 20 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Generally the side that needs the most debates is the one that's losing. | Jul 20 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's terribly behind in the polls and he thinks that the more the cameras are pointed at him making an idiot of himself, the better things will get for his campaign I guess. | Jul 20 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd think he'd be running for the hills and wanting the debates called off so they don't ask him obvious questions like how did COVID-19 get worse than anywhere else in the world. | Jul 20 00:15 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: That's pretty weird, actually. | Jul 20 00:15 |
| XRevan86 | Because debates are a great place to point out all the mistake the current administration made. | Jul 20 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Uncontrolled media", in Russia? | Jul 20 00:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, that's pretty much what I said. He's got a huge stack of things where the voters may not remember it well until Biden reminds them of it. | Jul 20 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus his current disasters can be rubbed in. | Jul 20 00:16 |
| XRevan86 | > "Uncontrolled media", in Russia? | Jul 20 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You know, Mediazona, Meduza, Proekt Media, Dozhd'… | Jul 20 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Meduza seems OK | Jul 20 00:18 |
| XRevan86 | There is independent media, it's just considered traitors, foreign agends, the fifth column, etc. | Jul 20 00:18 |
| XRevan86 | * agents | Jul 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz | the Russians who dislike Meduza... I don't think highly of their political views, they are adoring Trump | Jul 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz | so if Meduza pissed them off, it's a good sign | Jul 20 00:18 |
| XRevan86 | and will never escape the Internet | Jul 20 00:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Heh, that's actually true. | Jul 20 00:19 |
| schestowitz | > Hey | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > How you doing? I'll have the next installment from Seattle PD tomorrow. | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > Will keep you posted. I wanted to give you a complimentary e-book copy | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > of my work. See attached. You'll need a password : xxxxx. | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > I was going to ask, seeing as we're collaborating, could you put a | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > link/ad on your Gates Foundation page with the below links to my book | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > (lulu.com)? Just thought I'd ask. i know you get lots of visitors. It | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > would be a help. If not , no worries. | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | > Enjoy your read. | Jul 20 00:21 |
| XRevan86 | Putin sometimes has to go off script on his "direct lines" | Jul 20 00:24 |
| XRevan86 | despite a lot of scrutiny in preparation of those "direct lines", sometimes reality sneaks into | Jul 20 00:25 |
| XRevan86 | That generates a lot of memorable quotes | Jul 20 00:25 |
| XRevan86 | https://dm.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/23cdyo like this one | Jul 20 00:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dm.reddit.com | Not an Onion. Q: Mr. Putin, I've got a car and pay a road tax but there are no roads in our village. Putin: Why do you need a car then? It's some kind of a provocation. : europe | Jul 20 00:27 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 20 00:28 |
| XRevan86 | "It's some kind of a provocation" – except he said it in a more ironic way, like "it's just like some kind of provocation" | Jul 20 00:30 |
| XRevan86 | but still gold | Jul 20 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Usually hot water turns off for a couple of weeks every year for repairs." | Jul 20 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why are you taking hot showers then? Must be a provocation! | Jul 20 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | NEXT! | Jul 20 00:32 |
| *MinceR provokes by existing | Jul 20 00:32 | |
| XRevan86 | "Must be a provocation! " – that's a good translation | Jul 20 00:32 |
| *XRevan86 has a boiler. | Jul 20 00:33 | |
| XRevan86 | works on gas, hasn't exploded yet | Jul 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's sounding like Illinois is the Russia of the midwestern US. | Jul 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You get too far from Chicago, everything is shitty, gross, and poor. | Jul 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government is corrupt and "money just doesn't get where it should". | Jul 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This all sounds familiar. | Jul 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is investigating Governor Pritzker's toilet situation looking for corruption. | Jul 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: Governor Pritzker tore the toilets out of his "spare mansion" that he bought in Chicago so that there wouldn't be any neighbors, so he could declare it "unlivable" and get a six figure tax deduction on it. | Jul 20 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Jul 20 00:37 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: That does sound familiar. | Jul 20 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now he has a "FairTax" proposal that we're supposed to vote on this year. :) | Jul 20 00:38 |
| MinceR | how does tearing the toilets out make the neighbors disappear? | Jul 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The mansion is supposed to remain empty so that nobody will live too close to him. Tearing the toilets out got him the tax break. | Jul 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When he was caught, he cut the city a check for the amount of the deduction. | Jul 20 00:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indeed | Jul 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: That's how loaded this guy is. He spends $4 million dollars on a spare mansion to act as a buffer between him and the neighbors. | Jul 20 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then he tears the toilets out to save like $30,000. | Jul 20 00:41 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Couldn't he tear down the mansion? | Jul 20 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, because it's a historical building and the city building code doesn't authorize you to demolish something like that without special permission aside from that. | Jul 20 00:42 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Oh, I see. | Jul 20 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, most neighborhoods in Chicago, even if a building burns down you have to build something new that looks like the surrounding area. Can't just be anything you want there. | Jul 20 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: kinda like St. Petersburg | Jul 20 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the ghetto they usually just leave empty lots. Some of them have been empty since the building was destroyed in the Chicago riots back in the 1960s. | Jul 20 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | not sure if that's still respected, stuff like Lakhta Centre doesn't exactly fit in | Jul 20 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody is going to invest serious money in the ghetto unless they have assurances from the Democrats that they'll work to force the poor blacks to leave. | Jul 20 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not policing the neighborhood is a strategy to let all hell break loose to drive property values way down. | Jul 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then rich people buy property while there's blood on the streets. | Jul 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the police come in like an army and start cracking down on everything. The last few holdouts get offered a check for 2-3 times what their house is currently worth if they leave now. | Jul 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you don't leave, theoretically they can't force you to, but when the neighborhood flips and the taxes go up, you won't be able to stay because your property taxes will triple. (or more) | Jul 20 00:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no limit to what property taxes are in Illinois, so the local governments assess based on what they feel like spending, then if you can't pay you'll lose your home. | Jul 20 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just bad here. The government is out of control. | Jul 20 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm considering detaching from Matrix and going back to IRX. | Jul 20 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *IRC | Jul 20 00:55 |
| schestowitz | matrix adds nothing of value | Jul 20 00:55 |
| schestowitz | you link to it | Jul 20 00:55 |
| schestowitz | and then it's just something that fits into a single irc line | Jul 20 00:56 |
| schestowitz | which defeats the purpose | Jul 20 00:56 |
| schestowitz | and matrix will be gone one day, esp. those addresses | Jul 20 00:56 |
| schestowitz | techrights archives it multiple levels | Jul 20 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Does it work like a bouncer for you? | Jul 20 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It adds persistence. | Jul 20 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That seems to be about it. | Jul 20 00:57 |
| schestowitz | it's good when you add pictures/screenshots | Jul 20 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: That's still good if the alternative is direct connection. | Jul 20 00:57 |
| schestowitz | as that's lacking good irc integration, for it being mostly decentralised | Jul 20 00:57 |
| schestowitz | (except at freenode) | Jul 20 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | It's annoying when DaemonFC[m] writes long messages. | Jul 20 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | Instead of splitting into several messages, Matrix uses HTTP Upload | Jul 20 00:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It does? | Jul 20 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You wouldn't know, right | Jul 20 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | (21:51:44) ***DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VCLRafweGniDviTYQaMuJwij > | Jul 20 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, I'm certain they're not showing me anything that would be irritating on my end. | Jul 20 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Connecticut Arkansas Nebraska Rhode Island and Idaho now reporting | Jul 20 01:00 |
| schestowitz | daily tally up to 61k | Jul 20 01:00 |
| schestowitz | increase over last Sunday | Jul 20 01:00 |
| schestowitz | trump says "Freedom" | Jul 20 01:00 |
| schestowitz | but wants to restruct testing | Jul 20 01:00 |
| schestowitz | *restrict | Jul 20 01:00 |
| schestowitz | so "Freedom" means no mask | Jul 20 01:00 |
| schestowitz | and freedom means YOU CAN'T CHECK IF YOU have it! | Jul 20 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Freedumb | Jul 20 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Like the pro-lifer pushing for executions now | Jul 20 01:01 |
| schestowitz | lovely | Jul 20 01:01 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Well, it's not even a transport, it's a Matrix room that's "bridged" to IRC, so there's no direct relation between what's happening in IRC and what's in Matrix. | Jul 20 01:01 |
| XRevan86 | It's different for me in biboumi (XMPP), because it is indeed a transport. | Jul 20 01:01 |
| *schestowitz uploaded irc logs for the day (Sunday) | Jul 20 01:02 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: any notes on Google? | Jul 20 01:02 |
| schestowitz | You did no written work on it | Jul 20 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, something way worse than a netsplit is happening in GNULINUXLOVERS on Matrix right now. | Jul 20 01:02 |
| schestowitz | so I'll have to take over the task and do it myself now | Jul 20 01:02 |
| schestowitz | SPD sends us the second installment of 12 tomorrow | Jul 20 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not really. I've been personally backing away from Google for a while now. | Jul 20 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They didn't help their case that they get you used to a product and then drop it. | Jul 20 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't even know if RSS is still a thing. I haven't seen the logo in a long time on anything. | Jul 20 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Install RSSPreview in Firefox | Jul 20 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | and all that is hidden shall be revealed | Jul 20 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Be glad you're not dealing with the police in Illinois. They'll redact things that turn out to be nothing and then hand you something that looks like the Roswell report. | Jul 20 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | There's probably something for Chromium too | Jul 20 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I even look at that room, it's freezing Firefox. | Jul 20 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: gnulinuxlovers? | Jul 20 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Jul 20 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone did something with a Telegram server whatever that is. | Jul 20 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: There's only one Telegram server. | Jul 20 01:10 |
| schestowitz | [01:05] <DaemonFC[m]> I don't even know if RSS is still a thing. I haven't seen the logo in a long time on anything. | Jul 20 01:11 |
| schestowitz | sadly true | Jul 20 01:11 |
| schestowitz | I noticed it | Jul 20 01:11 |
| schestowitz | they have rss feed support in a lot of site and dont' advertise it | Jul 20 01:11 |
| schestowitz | you have to go to page source, back end | Jul 20 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | Durov may interject saying "blah-blah-blah, there's more than one server, we have servers all over the world, we're decentralised this way", but yea, still one server. | Jul 20 01:12 |
| schestowitz | as even the browsers no longer make rss just a click away | Jul 20 01:12 |
| schestowitz | ff removed live bookmarks, based on mozilla's surveillance on users | Jul 20 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | Use RSSPreview, Luke | Jul 20 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | And doesn't Falkon have a feed icon built-in? | Jul 20 01:12 |
| schestowitz | wow, pleroma.site seems to have some cert-related issues again | Jul 20 01:14 |
| schestowitz | checked from another machine, 3rd browser | Jul 20 01:14 |
| schestowitz | same issue | Jul 20 01:14 |
| schestowitz | it has gone on for at least 7 houts | Jul 20 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | Seems fine to me | Jul 20 01:14 |
| schestowitz | on the surface | Jul 20 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | https://pleroma.site/media/e6118f48-17de-4f8d-b7c2-c4d03b42f085/working-from-home.jpg I see a photo | Jul 20 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | wasn't there before | Jul 20 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I am not even sure how to explain the problem | Jul 20 01:16 |
| schestowitz | it's about not being able to make secure channel | Jul 20 01:16 |
| schestowitz | and it's failing all browsers | Jul 20 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | On which of the five screens you see the problem :D | Jul 20 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | * six | Jul 20 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: curl -v 'https://pleroma.site/' then | Jul 20 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jul 20 01:17 | |
| schestowitz | "The web page at https://pleroma.site/users/schestowitz/interactions might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address." | Jul 20 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jul 20 01:17 | |
| XRevan86 | Was that what curl said? | Jul 20 01:17 |
| schestowitz | "ERR_SPDY_SERVER_REFUSED_STREAM" | Jul 20 01:17 |
| schestowitz | For now I post indirectly | Jul 20 01:21 |
| schestowitz | via https://brutaldon.online/ | Jul 20 01:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-302 redirect with weird Location: about | Jul 20 01:21 | |
| schestowitz | which is like an indirection | Jul 20 01:21 |
| schestowitz | a web interface | Jul 20 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: curl -v 'https://pleroma.site/users/schestowitz/interactions' | Jul 20 01:22 |
| schestowitz | the issue is clearly not at my end | Jul 20 01:22 |
| schestowitz | I can guess what the issue is, but not sure... something to do with secure tunnel | Jul 20 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That will give a better error message at least | Jul 20 01:22 |
| schestowitz | konqueror, FF and even chromium on another machines fail on it | Jul 20 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | "ERR_SPDY_SERVER_REFUSED_STREAM" – and this error doesn't hint at TLS, it hints at HTTP/2 | Jul 20 01:23 |
| schestowitz | FF | Jul 20 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Secure Connection Failed | Jul 20 01:24 |
| schestowitz | An error occurred during a connection to pleroma.site. | Jul 20 01:24 |
| schestowitz | The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. | Jul 20 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem. | Jul 20 01:24 |
| schestowitz | it's france-based | Jul 20 01:24 |
| schestowitz | so I doubt a fix is due before daytime | Jul 20 01:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe they're not even aware of this issue | Jul 20 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | How about wget -dv -O- 'https://pleroma.site/users/schestowitz/interactions' ? | Jul 20 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | VPS that connects me to IRC is in France | Jul 20 01:28 |
| XRevan86 | not an indication of much | Jul 20 01:28 |
| XRevan86 | pleroma.site is hosted on Scaleway, that's why it's Frnace | Jul 20 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | France | Jul 20 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Firefox gives certificate errors on your sites too. | Jul 20 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just opted them out of EASE mode. | Jul 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz | which site, techrights? | Jul 20 01:33 |
| schestowitz | there's an old ssl cert | Jul 20 01:33 |
| schestowitz | but it was never used | Jul 20 01:33 |
| schestowitz | the server was never configured for ssl | Jul 20 01:33 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Anyway, the thing is that I cannot reproduce the issue. | Jul 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz | you might need to log in | Jul 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz | then things become more broken | Jul 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | in ways that are beyond me to explain fully, as I don't know how those streams work | Jul 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | it says "SPDY" | Jul 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | and speaks of streams | Jul 20 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | It says SPDY, it means HTTP/2 | Jul 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | I can only partly load some dataa | Jul 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | some of the time | Jul 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | for now I'll post to it indirectly | Jul 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | tbh, I might not post much | Jul 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | maybe I will focus on the google foia thing | Jul 20 01:38 |
| schestowitz | which DaemonFC[m] didn't do for like 2 weeks | Jul 20 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | But it could mean that the server crashes while trying to give you the page | Jul 20 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | and so the HTTP/2 stream is abrupted and you see that | Jul 20 01:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 63,584 | Jul 20 01:38 |
| schestowitz | tx now reports 7.3k | Jul 20 01:38 |
| schestowitz | and calif. 8.1k | Jul 20 01:38 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: maybe | Jul 20 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | or not crashes but throws an exception | Jul 20 01:39 |
| schestowitz | it has happened for a while, I first noticed it about 8 hours ago | Jul 20 01:39 |
| schestowitz | would be nicer if I could at least explain what happens there | Jul 20 01:39 |
| schestowitz | but it's their job, not mine | Jul 20 01:40 |
| schestowitz | and I'm sure not only my account is affected | Jul 20 01:40 |
| schestowitz | anyway, i have given up | Jul 20 01:42 |
| schestowitz | they had similar issued before | Jul 20 01:43 |
| schestowitz | *issues | Jul 20 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | HTTP/2 is nasty in a lot of ways. | Jul 20 01:43 |
| schestowitz | when Ariadne run pleroma.site it was a lot more robust and reliable | Jul 20 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Forget about Privoxy ever working again because "modern". | Jul 20 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Probably not in this case | Jul 20 01:43 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: yeah because i was dedicating 256GB of RAM to postgresql | Jul 20 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | And here I am, dedicating 1G of RAM to the DB | Jul 20 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think the big problem with HTTP 1.1 was the Pipelining never worked properly because of shitty server implementations of it. | Jul 20 01:44 |
| XRevan86 | still can't think of a good timeline query | Jul 20 01:44 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: How does Pleroma construct the personal timeline? | Jul 20 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In theory it could work. You'd have to sort out the complete mess of Microsoft IIS though, which still won't happen soon. | Jul 20 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By sort out, I mean wait for everyone to stop using it entirely. | Jul 20 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | IIS is a piece of shit even for Microsoft. How did it ever work? | Jul 20 01:45 |
| Ariadne | XRevan86: sql (: | Jul 20 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft is mostly a patent troll, but not quite. They have products. Really bad products. | Jul 20 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitzdescribing them as a company of lawyers with really bad software is right on the mark. | Jul 20 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: That makes sense | Jul 20 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems that Ubuntu is rapidly becoming the web server OS and Red Hat is content to make their Enterprise Linux even more horrible and drive away more customers. | Jul 20 01:48 |
| Ariadne | the real truth is pleroma is a huge RAM hog, moreso than mastodon | Jul 20 01:48 |
| Ariadne | but you don't notice this because it's postgresql that hogs the RAM | Jul 20 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it doesn't even try to work without JavaScrit. | Jul 20 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *script | Jul 20 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So what does that tell you? | Jul 20 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: lots of materialised queries? | Jul 20 01:49 |
| Ariadne | XRevan86: yes, the problem is there's two huge jsonb tables | Jul 20 01:49 |
| Ariadne | and they are frequently joined | Jul 20 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: oh no | Jul 20 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I should probably just detach and fall back to Konversation, really. | Jul 20 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not using GNOME anymore so the systray rides again. B-) | Jul 20 01:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | GNOME is so not the ideal multitasking setup. | Jul 20 01:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ubuntu is patching the shit out of it to try to spackle over that. | Jul 20 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Though on the other hand, PostgreSQL doesn't have a problem with joining with a derived relation with unions, so Pleroma wouldn't've had the problem either way… | Jul 20 01:53 |
| Ariadne | XRevan86: i think if pleroma used a normal schema instead of trying to do RDF in SQL, it would work fine | Jul 20 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: thanks for the explanation | Jul 20 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yes, there's more than enough cases to get us to 200,000 dead even if those stopped tomorrow. | Jul 20 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which it won't. | Jul 20 01:54 |
| Ariadne | if people would just wear the goddamn masks | Jul 20 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thanks to round number bias, 200,000 will sound like a lot more than 190,000 or whatever. | Jul 20 01:55 |
| Ariadne | we could probably get this under control in a month or two | Jul 20 01:55 |
| Ariadne | we just need to slow it down enough that it burns out faster | Jul 20 01:55 |
| schestowitz | uk has about 500-700 new cases a day | Jul 20 01:56 |
| schestowitz | recoveries at a similar rate | Jul 20 01:56 |
| schestowitz | i heard only about 200 people under 60 died here | Jul 20 01:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Almost all of the new cases are in the states where Trump is real popular. | Jul 20 01:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's obvious who is spreading this. | Jul 20 01:56 |
| schestowitz | which I suppose isn't unthinkable a claim | Jul 20 01:56 |
| schestowitz | (same in Belgium) | Jul 20 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Biden and Obama trying to kill the noble trumpists? %) | Jul 20 01:57 |
| schestowitz | trump voters, who are not young, seem not too compassionate | Jul 20 01:57 |
| schestowitz | not "pro-life" | Jul 20 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are some. They're not a majority. | Jul 20 01:57 |
| schestowitz | my dad is terrified of catching this thing, he's almost 65 | Jul 20 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got in last time because old people think they know everything, which is probably why this is happening. | Jul 20 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Old people do not know best. Shitty young people turn into shitty old people. | Jul 20 01:58 |
| schestowitz | people in this age typically already take all sorts of pills and have high risks associated with particular conditions | Jul 20 01:58 |
| schestowitz | COVID just sort of knocks them over the edge real fast | Jul 20 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My dad is 68. He's staying in the house with his wife and having food delivered. | Jul 20 01:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What a wonderful way to spend your later years. | Jul 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Ariadne, thanks for amending viera to include you new account's address, much appreciated all you've done for us! | Jul 20 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All over a virus that shouldn't really even be happening. | Jul 20 02:00 |
| Ariadne | new account? | Jul 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yes, and loneliness gets to those people | Jul 20 02:00 |
| Ariadne | old account | Jul 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jul 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz | diff. address | Jul 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz | not your pleroma.site one afaik | Jul 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz | my mom finds it hard to not socialise | Jul 20 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump hurried up and signed that Hong Kong bill because he couldn't care less what's happening to Hong Kong, but it's a way to start sticking it to China right before an election. | Jul 20 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Chinese government was pissed. | Jul 20 02:01 |
| schestowitz | for me, not much has changed since the lock-downs, except more people become "more like me" | Jul 20 02:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: he doesn't care about HK | Jul 20 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would have signed it too, but, you know, because what they're doing to Hong Kong is horrific. | Jul 20 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: https://coub.com/view/1aprmt this is still relevant :) | Jul 20 02:01 |
| schestowitz | or baronHK | Jul 20 02:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Обама насылает порчу - Coub - The Biggest Video Meme Platform | Jul 20 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | he's just race-baiting | Jul 20 02:02 |
| schestowitz | for his "base" | Jul 20 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What they do in general to their people is horrific. | Jul 20 02:02 |
| schestowitz | like kidnapping them on the way to protests :-) | Jul 20 02:02 |
| Ariadne | trump is not very popular in wyoming, but historically the elderly are the ones who vote the most here. | Jul 20 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's a Dune reference. Baron Harkonnen | Jul 20 02:02 |
| schestowitz | i see.... | Jul 20 02:02 |
| Ariadne | wyoming may actually go blue this cycle | Jul 20 02:02 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's banned now by reddit | Jul 20 02:02 |
| Ariadne | IF an election happens | Jul 20 02:03 |
| schestowitz | big IF | Jul 20 02:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: In /r/Linux anyway. Meh. | Jul 20 02:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe unmarked vans will kidnap blue voters :-) | Jul 20 02:03 |
| Ariadne | which, considering we have trump playing like duterte with armed kill goons coming in and snatching people | Jul 20 02:03 |
| Ariadne | i think we are headed towards an asymmetric civil war | Jul 20 02:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they stuffed one guy in a federal courthouse holding cell then when he wouldn't talk to them, they let him go immediately. | Jul 20 02:04 |
| schestowitz | it's already an unarmed war | Jul 20 02:04 |
| Ariadne | DaemonFC[m]: yes, but this is just them testing the waters | Jul 20 02:04 |
| Ariadne | when i lived in the philippines for a year, they were testing all of this in a similar way | Jul 20 02:05 |
| Ariadne | those capabilities existed pre-duterte, duterte decided to just make use of them | Jul 20 02:05 |
| Ariadne | and we all know trump likes thugs like duterte and putin | Jul 20 02:05 |
| schestowitz | they all have things to hide | Jul 20 02:06 |
| schestowitz | duterte bragged about killing people | Jul 20 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So does Maricel. | Jul 20 02:07 |
| schestowitz | apparently as a kid | Jul 20 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Trump just likes people who have the best words. You know, dictators. | Jul 20 02:07 |
| schestowitz | thugs are less likely to get exposed by other thugs | Jul 20 02:07 |
| schestowitz | it's a "leverage" thing | Jul 20 02:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: she will drown in debt | Jul 20 02:07 |
| schestowitz | then come divorce and bankruptcy | Jul 20 02:08 |
| schestowitz | and pawn shops | Jul 20 02:08 |
| schestowitz | more cheap refurbished stuff for us to buy on the cheap | Jul 20 02:08 |
| schestowitz | like PC equipment at quarter original price | Jul 20 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, more like some shitty Mac with the T2 chip. | Jul 20 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple is like Microsoft in that they don't really put a lot of effort into something unless it screws you and keeps you paying them more money. | Jul 20 02:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I laughed when I punched their names into the court computer. | Jul 20 02:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Up pops them almost losing the house and settling with their mortgage company and two credit cards that sued them all in one year. | Jul 20 02:11 |
| schestowitz | I see.. | Jul 20 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They probably never thought I'd know that. | Jul 20 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Skynet remembers! | Jul 20 02:12 |
| schestowitz | At least that explains why they're aiming at Mandy's [paycheck | Jul 20 02:12 |
| schestowitz | maybe she thinks she owns him | Jul 20 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. | Jul 20 02:12 |
| schestowitz | and he owes her | Jul 20 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She does. | Jul 20 02:12 |
| schestowitz | for coming over | Jul 20 02:12 |
| schestowitz | and thus needs to now 'rescue' her | Jul 20 02:12 |
| schestowitz | doesn't work like that | Jul 20 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's worse than I can even say here because I don't want it on the record. | Jul 20 02:12 |
| schestowitz | if she wastes money on bottles with water on them | Jul 20 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's pure evil. | Jul 20 02:12 |
| schestowitz | *in | Jul 20 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's a criminal. | Jul 20 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: She started going crazy on me when she found out about the bankruptcy and I told her we'd be unable to eat and stay in our home if he paid her his entire check. | Jul 20 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's when she cut off her support affidavit and told him that she'll "ruin him" and he "has no future in this country". | Jul 20 02:14 |
| schestowitz | blackmail artist | Jul 20 02:15 |
| schestowitz | get a restraining order | Jul 20 02:15 |
| schestowitz | another one for their docket | Jul 20 02:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, that would just cause more problems. | Jul 20 02:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to tell them where you live to get one, and they don't really know where we live. | Jul 20 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She doesn't think there's any way I can salvage this case. | Jul 20 02:16 |
| schestowitz | psychological abuse counts or qualifies, not just physical threats | Jul 20 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She might just go away and tend to her own garden. | Jul 20 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It does, except that she's a megalomaniac. If I filed for a restraining order she'd lawyer up (on the credit card) and then start lying about me in court. | Jul 20 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Had enough of that for one lifetime, hard pass. | Jul 20 02:17 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu 19.10 Eoan Ermine Reached End of Life http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139967#comment-25863 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1a6cc225-3f83-4711-81bc-473c05d09939] | Jul 20 02:18 | |
| schestowitz | ok, change phone # if needed | Jul 20 02:19 |
| schestowitz | so you're invisible to that couple | Jul 20 02:19 |
| schestowitz | let them drown on COVID summer | Jul 20 02:19 |
| schestowitz | then they'll have more pressing issues to bother with you two... | Jul 20 02:19 |
| schestowitz | like foreclosure | Jul 20 02:19 |
| schestowitz | and yard sale of shoes | Jul 20 02:20 |
| schestowitz | that nobody buys anyway in these times | Jul 20 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yard sale of shoes.... .LOL | Jul 20 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She probably could fill her yard with shoes and have a "shoe day". | Jul 20 02:21 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140056 [https://pleroma.site/objects/55d2cf6d-170d-47ac-9749-6f5f8cfcf461] | Jul 20 02:21 | |
| schestowitz | "worn only once... $5" | Jul 20 02:21 |
| schestowitz | original price $50 | Jul 20 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Imelda Markup | Jul 20 02:22 |
| schestowitz | to be fair, production costs were probably similar... about 5 bucks | Jul 20 02:23 |
| schestowitz | the slave labour in the sweatshop pay with one's health | Jul 20 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I used to work in a shoe warehouse. | Jul 20 02:23 |
| schestowitz | it's truly distorted economy | Jul 20 02:23 |
| schestowitz | that makes a few oligarchs like Bezos and Arnault | Jul 20 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're unbelievably cheap. They come in from China, millions and millions at a time. | Jul 20 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Faster than you can even move them in off the truck. | Jul 20 02:24 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they're disposed off at import rates | Jul 20 02:24 |
| schestowitz | never mind the brand printed on them | Jul 20 02:24 |
| schestowitz | when the stores get desperate | Jul 20 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I saw some of them too. Uglier than sin. | Jul 20 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was like "Who the hell is buying these? Meh. Pays my bills.".. | Jul 20 02:25 |
| schestowitz | then you can buy a bunch of them, list them on ebay, make some profit | Jul 20 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah, Sperry was the brand on one of them. | Jul 20 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was like "Who the hell buys this many boat shoes?". | Jul 20 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Are there that many people in this country with a boat? | Jul 20 02:26 |
| schestowitz | f'ing hell, the news is sooooo dry this weekend | Jul 20 02:26 |
| schestowitz | I struggle to find anythig linux-related with substance to it | Jul 20 02:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: maybe some people will sell their houses | Jul 20 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, WSL while you work. Lalalalalalala! | Jul 20 02:27 |
| schestowitz | and buy some second-hand boat | Jul 20 02:27 |
| schestowitz | from some middle classed class climber | Jul 20 02:27 |
| schestowitz | who pretended he (usually he) could afford a boat | Jul 20 02:27 |
| schestowitz | but could no longer afford it | Jul 20 02:27 |
| schestowitz | some people will live inside their cars | Jul 20 02:27 |
| schestowitz | cars too are sold cheaply now | Jul 20 02:28 |
| schestowitz | as people struggle to keep up with house payments (utility, mortgage) | Jul 20 02:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "We've never had a recession mandated by the government before!" Well, my, how quickly we forget. | Jul 20 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's several I can think of right off my head. | Jul 20 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The early 80s recession was deliberate to put out a wave of hyperinflation, so that would be the most obvious example. | Jul 20 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A Fed Funds rate of ~20% would be absolutely unthinkable these days. | Jul 20 02:30 |
| Ariadne | also, trump is very proud that he passed the MOCA | Jul 20 02:30 |
| Ariadne | which is pretty hilarious | Jul 20 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're considering negative rates. Of course, you know that means Zombie Companies like Japan subsidized for a long time. | Jul 20 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's better to just let bankruptcy court sort through them, but it doesn't make for good headlines during an election. | Jul 20 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I think low rates and the tax bill are hiding a lot of sin at Microsoft, honestly. | Jul 20 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The JEDI contract was supposed to be an influx of cash but Amazon sued. | Jul 20 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now that's up in the "cloud". | Jul 20 02:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wine-Staging 5.13 Comes With 669 Patches Atop Upstream Wine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140009#comment-25864 [https://pleroma.site/objects/77d4a6c7-327e-4cf1-a7a4-1025627bf2f8] | Jul 20 02:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sooner or later we're going to have a tech crash because these big tech companies have been massively overvalued, and many of them don't actually make any money at all and are valued as a large and profitable company. Very distorted. | Jul 20 02:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Elon Musk is fidgeting because if they don't get Tesla going again soon, it comes down fast. | Jul 20 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's almost like a very sophisticated Ponzi scam, with a product that's almost beside the point. | Jul 20 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uber too. | Jul 20 02:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: it's almost like JEDI was 'bailout' | Jul 20 02:35 |
| schestowitz | military budget is a bottomless pit | Jul 20 02:35 |
| schestowitz | [02:33] <DaemonFC[m]> Sooner or later we're going to have a tech crash because these big tech companies have been massively overvalued, and many of them don't actually make any money at all and are valued as a large and profitable company. Very distorted. | Jul 20 02:35 |
| schestowitz | yes, my dad has said the same for ages | Jul 20 02:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It is. They can just keep paying Microsoft to handle more and more "stuff" if the contract goes there. | Jul 20 02:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Amazon wants it BADLY and for the same reason. | Jul 20 02:35 |
| schestowitz | some companies like tesla are valued higher than cocaCola and make LOSSsEs | Jul 20 02:35 |
| schestowitz | LOSSES UPON LOSSES | Jul 20 02:35 |
| schestowitz | and now their staff doesn't even want to come to work | Jul 20 02:36 |
| schestowitz | not considering it safe | Jul 20 02:36 |
| schestowitz | uber is already collapsing | Jul 20 02:36 |
| schestowitz | it was making massive losses even before COVID | Jul 20 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yes, they pissed me off so bad I won't even let Mandy use it anymore. | Jul 20 02:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: military contract is important | Jul 20 02:36 |
| schestowitz | it means they won't let the company die | Jul 20 02:36 |
| schestowitz | same with medical data | Jul 20 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's packed full of scam artists who are trying to fish for cancellation fees. | Jul 20 02:36 |
| schestowitz | the gov. will save you like it saved big banks | Jul 20 02:36 |
| schestowitz | they deem you 'Essential" | Jul 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | "national security" | Jul 20 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think what they might be doing is putting their phone on a drone and flying it around to make Uber think they're moving around in a car. | Jul 20 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because you see them moving and it's just basically go this way, turn around, do it again. | Jul 20 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then after like 8 or 9 minutes you give up and Uber bills you for "wasting _their_ time". | Jul 20 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even though the guy should have been moving closer to you. | Jul 20 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: "Phone on a drone" and you just keep sitting there trolling people for cancel fees. | Jul 20 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Don't even have to burn any gas. | Jul 20 02:39 |
| schestowitz | hmmm... | Jul 20 02:40 |
| schestowitz | wow, 65,279 new cases | Jul 20 02:41 |
| schestowitz | final figure | Jul 20 02:41 |
| schestowitz | for a Sunday | Jul 20 02:41 |
| schestowitz | can't be true | Jul 20 02:41 |
| schestowitz | the magaists told me in MINDS COVID is "over" | Jul 20 02:41 |
| schestowitz | so this COVID might be 'synthetic' :-) | Jul 20 02:42 |
| schestowitz | brought to you by 'Democratic Party' | Jul 20 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I was pleased to see they're accepting applications for mail in ballots _and_ they'll send them to my PO Box. | Jul 20 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Having in person voting could lead to a massive flare up of COVID-19, but checking my PO Box and dropping it in the blue bin outside isn't much of a risk really. | Jul 20 02:43 |
| schestowitz | maybe usps will intercept them | Jul 20 02:43 |
| schestowitz | assuming you read their latest scandal | Jul 20 02:43 |
| schestowitz | about throttling deliverries | Jul 20 02:43 |
| schestowitz | your vote must have been - wait for it! - "lost in the mail!" | Jul 20 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Well, under Illinois law, your vote counts as long as it is postmarked by Election Day (November 3rd) and arrives at their office within 14 days after that. | Jul 20 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So this could be very weird. Right? We may only have 50-60% voting in person and then a bunch of ballots coming in for two weeks past election day. | Jul 20 02:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 50-60% is not enough to say who won. | Jul 20 02:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois forced the primary to happen during a pandemic. | Jul 20 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In-person. | Jul 20 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had ads on the radio about having a bunch of hand sanitizer at the polling places. | Jul 20 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well that only really solves half the problem. It's in the air!". | Jul 20 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pritzker didn't put in the mask law until May 1st. | Jul 20 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Waukegan was getting slammed by the virus and issued an emergency order mandating masks by April 22nd. | Jul 20 02:47 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Zrythm 0.8.694 release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140057 [https://pleroma.site/objects/690d665d-d7a7-4306-a4b0-6b45f934738d] | Jul 20 02:48 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "the magaists told me in MINDS CO"> Mom says the people at that church still don't require masks and people who tested positive are going there again 10-15 days in. | Jul 20 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody really knows how long you're contagious. Potentially a month. So..... | Jul 20 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: "This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated." | Jul 20 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Putin was not amused. Sent the Terminator to end the provocation. | Jul 20 02:51 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Small DRM Drivers See Another Round Of Updates For Linux 5.9 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140058 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2bc0a7db-ea68-42ec-9939-769ee20d74c3] | Jul 20 02:52 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I have no idea why NPD is a thing. Yeah, she does display all the signs of it though. Maricel. | Jul 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz | 3,898,550 cases confirmed in US, with 1,802,338 recoveries, so still at least 2 million people with COVID-19 confirmed already and not riding their bodies off it | Jul 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz | *ridding | Jul 20 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She has an inflated sense of importance, expects everyone to worship the ground she walks on and do what she says. | Jul 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz | waste of time | Jul 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz | focus on your own affairs | Jul 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz | they have dug their own hole | Jul 20 02:56 |
| schestowitz | they could have had savings as a safety net instead of mortgage and fashionable consumerism | Jul 20 02:56 |
| schestowitz | the stress will finish off their health | Jul 20 02:56 |
| schestowitz | and relationship | Jul 20 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it's oozing toxicity. | Jul 20 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Positioning yourself to where you're "one false move" away from ruin isn't smart. Been there, done that. | Jul 20 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I find it's easier and far more interesting to develop hobbies that don't cost any money at all. | Jul 20 02:58 |
| schestowitz | computers can be fun | Jul 20 02:59 |
| schestowitz | studying their internals | Jul 20 02:59 |
| schestowitz | it's a productive habit that can even net a job sometimes | Jul 20 02:59 |
| schestowitz | better than collecting f'ing shoes from sweatshops in vietnam | Jul 20 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Jul 20 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, well even if they did "only" cost $50 each. If you have like 200 pair of them... | Jul 20 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I do shoes like everything else. | Jul 20 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom asks "Haven't you been wearing those for like 5 years?" I go, "Yeah.". | Jul 20 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maricel has a "trash finds some money" vibe. | Jul 20 03:02 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE: Calamares, Pinebook Pro With KDE Plasma and Release of Skrooge 2.23.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140059 [https://pleroma.site/objects/44bf273f-ca36-4432-9360-3486835c7cc5] | Jul 20 03:03 | |
| insmodppa | F**k HTTP2 and the Google horse it rode in on. Why do people even enable it on their webservers is beyond me. | Jul 20 03:08 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: openSUSE Ad-hoc Board Election 2020 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140060 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a9642c12-379d-406b-a6f9-636a9e88cf29] | Jul 20 03:11 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <insmodppa "F**k HTTP2 and the Google horse "> Because binary is so "efficient and MODERN". | Jul 20 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fact that you can't pick it apart and strip out things you don't want and change headers is an aside. | Jul 20 03:16 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This cheap #GNU #Linux #smartphone can replace your PC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140061 [https://pleroma.site/objects/085feb6f-c3fd-4b02-8fc4-9ba2bcb6c7c1] | Jul 20 03:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140062 [https://pleroma.site/objects/67f42ee7-d277-4a4d-9881-8a5f840519c5] | Jul 20 03:19 | |
| schestowitz | pleroma.site still mostly broken | Jul 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | I use the account indirectly, posting via brutaldom | Jul 20 03:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's big, and it's fat, and it's full of JavaScript. | Jul 20 03:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then again, what's not? | Jul 20 03:22 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.8-rc6 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140063 [https://pleroma.site/objects/439e0dde-01a5-4ce3-b2bc-ebfd00863d2d] | Jul 20 03:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I came across a new term (to me) today. | Jul 20 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Fantasy Document". A document laying out a plan that has no chance of actually working, but is put together to provide the illusion that everything is either under control, or possible to control. | Jul 20 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, my bankruptcy "counseling" (where they blame you for whatever just happened to you) included a lot of gaslighting thrown together by computer generated "fantasy documents", like an example budget that _was_ almost as bad as the McDonalds "Just get a second job, don't have heat, and your health insurance that month will be $20." one. | Jul 20 03:33 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Perl (PWC) and Programming/Development/Editing Tools http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140064 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8cf4c28e-f232-4cb8-acbd-0314e0392f0c] | Jul 20 03:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shit happens. Not everyone just decided to go out one day and max out all their credit cards on TVs and Playstations and Disney World. | Jul 20 03:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 68% of bankruptcies are primarily brought on by medical debt. They're not "reckless and unnecessary spending". You'll never hear them admit that though. | Jul 20 03:37 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: Linux Lite 5.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140065 [https://pleroma.site/objects/df021f5f-f887-445a-99d2-968eda2cb123] | Jul 20 03:37 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New Videos and Shows http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140066 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f8b24cda-5899-44d0-b35d-fc7a96a97e31] | Jul 20 03:42 | |
| schestowitz | do you want to help me, DaemonFC[m]? | Jul 20 03:44 |
| schestowitz | I want this google thing done | Jul 20 03:44 |
| schestowitz | you already know the docs reasonably well | Jul 20 03:44 |
| schestowitz | I want to type some posts about it | Jul 20 03:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I did a speed read of them. Many were dupes. | Jul 20 03:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember a lot of the major points. | Jul 20 03:45 |
| schestowitz | can you take screenshots of the google bits? | Jul 20 03:45 |
| schestowitz | and post them via matrix? | Jul 20 03:45 |
| schestowitz | we just need to put the key parts together, then caption them | Jul 20 03:45 |
| schestowitz | we need to do this asap | Jul 20 03:46 |
| schestowitz | and i got a headsup about installment #2 coming tomorrow (monday) | Jul 20 03:46 |
| schestowitz | (today) | Jul 20 03:46 |
| schestowitz | use spectacle or ksnapshot or whatever to grab the bits of relevance | Jul 20 03:46 |
| schestowitz | add a few notes to explain what's shown | Jul 20 03:46 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Jussi Pakkanen: The ABI stability matryoshka http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140067 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bd27d5d5-febb-4cdd-9472-66922f5396a8] | Jul 20 03:51 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: thanks, excellent | Jul 20 03:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's where it starts. Google logged the file upload time, IP, and emails. They are using a file "fingerprinting" scanner. | Jul 20 03:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll try to find where the Detective references that. | Jul 20 03:52 |
| *schestowitz fetching files | Jul 20 03:53 | |
| schestowitz | me "Note: we're not defending the accused (and charged, then convicted), we're only explaining how Google works" | Jul 20 03:55 |
| schestowitz | afaik, nobody on the web really covered this based on foia before | Jul 20 03:55 |
| schestowitz | "How Google 'Reads' Your Mail and Repository of Files, Then Informs the Police' | Jul 20 03:56 |
| schestowitz | there's the part about the dvd | Jul 20 03:56 |
| schestowitz | and the google drive | Jul 20 03:56 |
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| schestowitz | excellent, great job | Jul 20 03:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The detective is reading through the guy's emails. It includes many other things, including details of his sister, but this is interesting. | Jul 20 03:59 |
| schestowitz | the chronology is apt | Jul 20 03:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got a back and forth from a guy that Rick was in a sexual relationship with, skimmed over all their messages, and was able to note that they would frequently discuss young boys. | Jul 20 03:59 |
| schestowitz | I looked up 'yoa' last month | Jul 20 04:02 |
| schestowitz | to make sense of the term | Jul 20 04:02 |
| schestowitz | do you know or can illuminate the underlying meaning of it? | Jul 20 04:02 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Corbet (LWN) on Linux 5.8-rc6 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140063#comment-25865 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d39276e4-fee5-4e16-b82e-49465f5eb0a5] | Jul 20 04:05 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Afraid not. Can you expand? | Jul 20 04:05 |
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| *schestowitz recalls some faxed request, maybe just to comcast | Jul 20 04:06 | |
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| schestowitz | I used the comcast bits to discredit mozilla's vpn and doh alliances | Jul 20 04:06 |
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| schestowitz | cheers! | Jul 20 04:07 |
| schestowitz | well done, ryan | Jul 20 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The detective is fishing based on what he found in the exchange between Rick and David through the emails that Google sent as part of the DVD cotents. | Jul 20 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He gets Rick to admit the whole thing. | Jul 20 04:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They feed all of the images in and see what comes back as a hit for child pornography from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. | Jul 20 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The additional material they found is catalogued and new material is submitted for inclusion into the database. The hashes are then shared with Google (and presumably others, like Microsoft Onedrive/Outlook, Apple iCloud) to train their detection systems, which is how Rick got himself reported in the first place. | Jul 20 04:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since they caught Rick and found his trove of tens of thousands of child porn images/videos, they can now find anyone else who has a copy and has put them into a monitored cloud storage or email system. | Jul 20 04:15 |
| *schestowitz nods | Jul 20 04:15 | |
| schestowitz | can we see the upstream process in these docs? | Jul 20 04:16 |
| schestowitz | upstream to the GAFAM? | Jul 20 04:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Express Stop photos aren't of interest with the Google thing, because they found those in his house with the Windows computers and hard disks and CDs and stuff. | Jul 20 04:17 |
| schestowitz | yup | Jul 20 04:17 |
| schestowitz | also, no nakedness | Jul 20 04:17 |
| schestowitz | but makes one wonder if he did occasionally target kids himself | Jul 20 04:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You mean where the detective goes into detail about how Google assists with hash scanners? | Jul 20 04:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's in the application for the search warrant. | Jul 20 04:17 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/20/young-boys-and-the-express-stop-envelope/ | Jul 20 04:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill and Melinda Gates Employee Took Photos of Young Boys at the Beach | Techrights | Jul 20 04:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "but makes one wonder if he did o"> It's certainly possible, but from what I've heard most of them lead pretty boring lives and wouldn't "risk" that. | Jul 20 04:18 |
| schestowitz | John the CP guy touches people in TSA | Jul 20 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They think that this allows them to ruminate about the acts they would like to perform in private. | Jul 20 04:19 |
| schestowitz | I assume also his target age group | Jul 20 04:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because there's nobody physically present so they don't think that they might be under observation. | Jul 20 04:19 |
| schestowitz | do we have the fax to/from google | Jul 20 04:19 |
| schestowitz | iirc, it's in the subpoena/affidavit | Jul 20 04:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's a well known phenomenon that people will change their behavior if they think that they even might be under observation. | Jul 20 04:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The police probably wouldn't want you to turn this into a story because someone might read it and go "You know what? That's a bad idea!". | Jul 20 04:20 |
| schestowitz | I think what you screen-capped covered all the key parts | Jul 20 04:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: it's not about what the police /wants/ | Jul 20 04:21 |
| schestowitz | it's about explaining what clown computing is | Jul 20 04:21 |
| schestowitz | and what society turns into digitally | Jul 20 04:21 |
| schestowitz | like secret agents in unmarked vans finding out who will attend a peaceful protest | Jul 20 04:21 |
| schestowitz | I added a disclaimer at the top | Jul 20 04:22 |
| schestowitz | just to clarify our intent | Jul 20 04:22 |
| schestowitz | I am piecing this together | Jul 20 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The second PDF isn't particularly interesting in that you could make screenshots that sum it up. | Jul 20 04:22 |
| schestowitz | at the end, when all the installments are done, we can publish more sensitive things | Jul 20 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty much pages and pages of IP addresses and stuff that the detective's report summed up. | Jul 20 04:22 |
| schestowitz | you can take a sample of it | Jul 20 04:22 |
| schestowitz | to show what they survey | Jul 20 04:22 |
| schestowitz | you could even blacken the addresses | Jul 20 04:23 |
| schestowitz | if you want | Jul 20 04:23 |
| schestowitz | they're likely out of data anyway | Jul 20 04:23 |
| schestowitz | (date | Jul 20 04:23 |
| schestowitz | In light of increasing government surveillance, e.g. on peaceful protesters planning to attend a lawful protest, it is essential to understand how Google (and others) cooperate with law enforcement; this isn't a defence of this particular behaviour (the above is about a Bill Gates employee busted for pedophilia) but an effort at shedding light -- for better insight -- into the level of overlap between police and "GAFAM" | Jul 20 04:26 |
| schestowitz | drafted summary ^^ | Jul 20 04:26 |
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| schestowitz | these ones are for part 2, I think | Jul 20 04:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes. | Jul 20 04:28 |
| schestowitz | I will try to partition the items/posts | Jul 20 04:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google detected all of that and sent this sort of stuff over to NCMEC as the law requires once they became aware of it. | Jul 20 04:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | NCMEC reviewed it and concluded it was child porn, and then basically proceeded to search for more information about Rick Jones themselves. | Jul 20 04:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It says they gave up and basically compiled the report Google sent them and sent it off to the Seattle Police. | Jul 20 04:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Seattle Police used this as probable cause to bootstrap a search warrant. | Jul 20 04:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which they then served on Google, and Google dumped the guy's entire account onto a DVD and sent it to the police. | Jul 20 04:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I liked the part about how they wouldn't send it to a PO Box. | Jul 20 04:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Occasionally, the people at the post office accidentally put something in the next box over. | Jul 20 04:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Google probably didn't want an incident where that happened and someone got a DVD with Rick's child porn and emails in their box. | Jul 20 04:33 |
| *schestowitz almost done with part 1 | Jul 20 04:34 | |
| schestowitz | do you want your surname in? | Jul 20 04:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Remember that Rick isn't their first rodeo, so if they send thousands of these DVDs to police departments all over, then it's bound to happen. | Jul 20 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pass. LOL | Jul 20 04:35 |
| schestowitz | :0) | Jul 20 04:35 |
| schestowitz | obviously | Jul 20 04:35 |
| schestowitz | I assume most pedophiles have very low iq | Jul 20 04:36 |
| schestowitz | they bust the ones who put this stuff on 'clown computing' | Jul 20 04:36 |
| schestowitz | infantile people | Jul 20 04:36 |
| schestowitz | looking for infants | Jul 20 04:36 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/07/19/how-google-works/ | Jul 20 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How Google ‘Reads’ Your Mail and Repository of Files, Then Informs the Police | Techrights | Jul 20 04:39 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: see if you can spot typos | Jul 20 04:39 |
| schestowitz | I am still editing this | Jul 20 04:40 |
| schestowitz | for typos mostly | Jul 20 04:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't think the warrant itself is particularly interesting, I take it? | Jul 20 04:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Says "database error". | Jul 20 04:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "I assume most pedophiles have ve"> That might be a feedback loop. | Jul 20 04:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The stupid ones get hauled in and put in front of a psychiatrist who determines that everyone who the police brings in is stupid. | Jul 20 04:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not like the really smart ones are going to walk in to the police station with a guilty conscience, hand them everything, and say "give me an IQ test right now!". | Jul 20 04:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Jul 20 04:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Drat! I would have gotten away with it too, had I not turned myself in!" | Jul 20 04:46 |
| schestowitz | https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/portland-police-federal-authorities/index.html | Jul 20 04:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Portland protests: After a Portland Police Association office is set on fire, Trump and the mayor blame each other for more unrest - CNN | Jul 20 04:47 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: You'd have to be a big fucking fool to use a clown computing disservice to host files that are illegal or that you wouldn't want the government to parse the minute you upload them. | Jul 20 04:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only reason they didn't know about it immediately is because it didn't set off "terrorist" flags, I'm guessing. | Jul 20 04:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google scans the files and email for a lot of reasons. One is to pick you apart psychologically, see what makes "you" tick, and sell targeted ads. | Jul 20 04:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | While they're doing that, they can easily determine if the file is a virus, porn, or a terrorist beheading video. | Jul 20 04:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At that point they are aware of what the file i and go to inform on Mr. Jones. | Jul 20 04:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *is | Jul 20 04:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Malicious AI is picking people apart and using stereotyping to sell ads. | Jul 20 04:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's fast! | Jul 20 04:50 |
| schestowitz | [04:43] <DaemonFC[m]> You don't think the warrant itself is particularly interesting, I take it? | Jul 20 04:51 |
| schestowitz | it is | Jul 20 04:51 |
| schestowitz | [04:43] <DaemonFC[m]> Says "database error". | Jul 20 04:51 |
| schestowitz | try again, it was making a full db backup at that time | Jul 20 04:51 |
| schestowitz | the warrant is another part | Jul 20 04:52 |
| schestowitz | for completness | Jul 20 04:52 |
| schestowitz | *eness | Jul 20 04:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: they can scam for ads and CP in the same pass | Jul 20 04:53 |
| schestowitz | *scan | Jul 20 04:53 |
| schestowitz | so profit while you help police | Jul 20 04:53 |
| schestowitz | contents for advertisers | Jul 20 04:53 |
| schestowitz | same pass through the files/checksums/hashes | Jul 20 04:53 |
| *schestowitz opens files 11-17 | Jul 20 04:53 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep. It's a twofer | Jul 20 05:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Before I upload anything to my Google Drive, obviously it's not illegal....but I frustrate their scanner by making an encrypted archive out of it first. | Jul 20 05:02 |
| schestowitz | almost done with part 2 | Jul 20 05:02 |
| schestowitz | your summary is excellent | Jul 20 05:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, if someone did break in, they probably wouldn't "just have" my files. | Jul 20 05:02 |
| schestowitz | inc. the nugget re po box | Jul 20 05:02 |
| schestowitz | some encryption s/w is not trustworthy | Jul 20 05:03 |
| schestowitz | they work to undermine the binaries | Jul 20 05:03 |
| schestowitz | see nsa leaks (2013) | Jul 20 05:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah, I laughed when I saw that and I was like, "Well, how many times have I gotten someone else's mail and returned it to the people at the counter?". | Jul 20 05:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They didn't even use the mail to send this to the detective. | Jul 20 05:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They used FedEx (and probably marked it signature required). | Jul 20 05:06 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/07/19/busting-pedophiles/ | Jul 20 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How Google, NCMEC and the Police Cooperate to Bust Pedophiles (Such as the Personal Engineer of Bill Gates) | Techrights | Jul 20 05:08 | |
| schestowitz | can you check the English is oK? | Jul 20 05:08 |
| schestowitz | part one is linked there at the top | Jul 20 05:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks good. | Jul 20 05:11 |
| schestowitz | OK, posted to social control media now | Jul 20 05:11 |
| schestowitz | rss subs see it faster | Jul 20 05:11 |
| schestowitz | is there another part? | Jul 20 05:11 |
| schestowitz | like... the faxed thing? | Jul 20 05:11 |
| schestowitz | I remember there was one for comcast | Jul 20 05:11 |
| schestowitz | tomorrow, if we get the second installment on the day, I'll share it with you asap | Jul 20 05:12 |
| schestowitz | it's apparently more ncmec stuff | Jul 20 05:12 |
| schestowitz | based on SPD FOIA stuff | Jul 20 05:12 |
| schestowitz | about 2000 pages of it | Jul 20 05:12 |
| schestowitz | their staff says | Jul 20 05:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh wow. | Jul 20 05:13 |
| schestowitz | we need to see how deep this wormhole goes | Jul 20 05:14 |
| schestowitz | remember that the maxwell was arrested weeks ago | Jul 20 05:14 |
| schestowitz | by FBI | Jul 20 05:14 |
| schestowitz | so maybe we can cross-correlate something... maybe | Jul 20 05:15 |
| schestowitz | I can see the letter with google letterhead now | Jul 20 05:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there was a fax to Seattle Child Protective Services. | Jul 20 05:15 |
| schestowitz | are you looking at this doc/ | Jul 20 05:15 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jul 20 05:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's apparently state law in Washington. It just told them what was going on and that the detective was working the case. | Jul 20 05:16 |
| schestowitz | signed by angelo | Jul 20 05:16 |
| schestowitz | The comcast part of here already http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/ | Jul 20 05:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That “Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy” | Techrights | Jul 20 05:17 | |
| schestowitz | most of it anywat | Jul 20 05:17 |
| schestowitz | *way | Jul 20 05:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I think so. | Jul 20 05:17 |
| schestowitz | the google letter is 3 pages | Jul 20 05:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Page 27 on PDF 3? | Jul 20 05:18 |
| schestowitz | this lacks ocr | Jul 20 05:18 |
| schestowitz | it's the one with google logo letterhead | Jul 20 05:18 |
| schestowitz | angelo to the detective from SPD | Jul 20 05:18 |
| schestowitz | see page 20 at the top | Jul 20 05:19 |
| schestowitz | mentions the lead from google | Jul 20 05:19 |
| schestowitz | that whole page | Jul 20 05:20 |
| schestowitz | mentions Picasa too | Jul 20 05:20 |
| schestowitz | Google Talk also | Jul 20 05:20 |
| schestowitz | so we know what this covers... scope of driftnet | Jul 20 05:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it does. It's all spyware. | Jul 20 05:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google paid for some Wine development to get Picasa running on Linux though. | Jul 20 05:21 |
| schestowitz | bottom of page 19 started the google mentions | Jul 20 05:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eating some dinner for a moment. | Jul 20 05:21 |
| schestowitz | prior to page 19 is seems like template text for judges | Jul 20 05:21 |
| schestowitz | no ocr to this | Jul 20 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Google got rid of Picasa a long time ago. | Jul 20 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those Wine contribs will stick around at least. | Jul 20 05:22 |
| schestowitz | I am scrolling upwards | Jul 20 05:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They kill their products so fast you don't even know what's going on. Talk too. | Jul 20 05:23 |
| schestowitz | I think page 19 at the bottom to page 20 is what's relevant to us | Jul 20 05:23 |
| schestowitz | then the 3 pages of the letter | Jul 20 05:23 |
| schestowitz | page 6 mentions Picasa and Google Drive | Jul 20 05:24 |
| schestowitz | Items (9) and (10) | Jul 20 05:24 |
| schestowitz | page 5 mentions searching Google the company | Jul 20 05:25 |
| schestowitz | page 4 is comcast | Jul 20 05:25 |
| schestowitz | much of the rest is legal formalities | Jul 20 05:26 |
| schestowitz | doing another pass, moving top to bottom now | Jul 20 05:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're searching for something controversial, DuckDuckGo might be okay, from behind Tor. | Jul 20 05:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People get on Google, logged in, and start telling it about their STDs even | Jul 20 05:27 |
| schestowitz | NCMEC is pre-Internet's WWW | Jul 20 05:28 |
| schestowitz | 1984 | Jul 20 05:28 |
| schestowitz | so maybe they did this even before the Web, email and such... | Jul 20 05:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'm certain there were BBS services where pedophiles hung out. | Jul 20 05:29 |
| schestowitz | page 22 also mentions Google | Jul 20 05:29 |
| schestowitz | page 37 at the top paragraph Google again | Jul 20 05:30 |
| schestowitz | 3rd paragraph mentions "Google Drive" | Jul 20 05:31 |
| schestowitz | fifth paragraph describes some cp, we might want to not include that | Jul 20 05:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and the government tries to arrest people for possessing descriptions. | Jul 20 05:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they just hand you this. :/ | Jul 20 05:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the part where the detective describes someone having sex with a 12-13 year old girl. | Jul 20 05:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was like "Uh, just skipping over this....". | Jul 20 05:34 |
| schestowitz | after page 49 it's mostly repetition in appendix form | Jul 20 05:34 |
| schestowitz | so maybe we have about 10 pages of relevant to Google in this one | Jul 20 05:35 |
| schestowitz | Picasa, Talk, Drive, Gmail... | Jul 20 05:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought the worst part about that was the detective using the term "blowjob" while he was describing a child. | Jul 20 05:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | See, even the police don't take this seriously. | Jul 20 05:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just catching people. | Jul 20 05:36 |
| schestowitz | after dinner can you assemble some screenshots? | Jul 20 05:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Clock in, clock out. | Jul 20 05:36 |
| schestowitz | I think the order in which it's presented matters | Jul 20 05:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Jul 20 05:36 |
| schestowitz | and we can name the services of Google that are covered | Jul 20 05:36 |
| schestowitz | Trump regime would cut the ribbon or all this procedural toil | Jul 20 05:36 |
| schestowitz | to catch protesters like j20 | Jul 20 05:37 |
| schestowitz | we see where this regime is heading | Jul 20 05:37 |
| schestowitz | I'll add parts 1 and 2 to http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020 | Jul 20 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Jul 20 05:37 | |
| schestowitz | ok done. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020 | Jul 20 05:38 |
| schestowitz | i think part 3 will be the most detailed one, with most harmed party being Google | Jul 20 05:39 |
| schestowitz | not Google or Gates | Jul 20 05:39 |
| schestowitz | can help us convince activists to NOT host activism things on "G" anything | Jul 20 05:39 |
| schestowitz | they'll come under observation for other things, even lawful ones that the Trump regime detects | Jul 20 05:39 |
| schestowitz | gmail was used to target wikileaks staff | Jul 20 05:40 |
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| schestowitz | cheers! | Jul 20 05:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: PhotoDNA is Microsoft. | Jul 20 05:46 |
| schestowitz | yup | Jul 20 05:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kind of makes you wonder how they openly hosted so much CP on Bing. | Jul 20 05:47 |
| schestowitz | we covered this issue | Jul 20 05:47 |
| schestowitz | was this deliberate? | Jul 20 05:48 |
| schestowitz | maybe bait? | Jul 20 05:48 |
| schestowitz | to test who wants CP? | Jul 20 05:48 |
| schestowitz | by recommending it to people, too? | Jul 20 05:48 |
| schestowitz | as boingboing pointed out? | Jul 20 05:48 |
| schestowitz | lol maybe Microsoft recruitment process | Jul 20 05:48 |
| schestowitz | we at Microsoft use HEY HI | Jul 20 05:48 |
| schestowitz | we find pedophiles like Jones and Microsoft Peter to hire and tightly control | Jul 20 05:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Notice he mentions Chrome. | Jul 20 05:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's logging all of your data in the "cloud". This can be put on another DVD and FedEx'd to Officer Friendly. | Jul 20 05:50 |
| schestowitz | yes, I saw that | Jul 20 05:51 |
| schestowitz | feel free to highlight these words when doing the shots | Jul 20 05:51 |
| schestowitz | I think the letter (3 pages) as a whole is worth making shots of... no "BJ" and other unsavoury things in it | Jul 20 05:52 |
| schestowitz | and it's a template they use a lot, surely... | Jul 20 05:52 |
| schestowitz | maybe it can help keep more people off this 'clown computing' and GAFAM BS | Jul 20 05:53 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | All his GMail email, the entire contents of his Google Drive, and all of the photos and videos (which Android phones automatically back up to Google Drive now). | Jul 20 05:56 |
| schestowitz | inc. nudes | Jul 20 05:58 |
| schestowitz | of oneself | Jul 20 05:58 |
| schestowitz | never ever took any | Jul 20 05:58 |
| schestowitz | but know some who do | Jul 20 05:58 |
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| schestowitz | remember celebs whose icloud was cracked | Jul 20 05:58 |
| schestowitz | phished or social engineering | Jul 20 05:58 |
| schestowitz | they literally took vegina shots with their phones | Jul 20 05:58 |
| schestowitz | and then the Web giants rushed to block loads of sites, I presume to avoid lawsuits | Jul 20 05:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they gag Google so they can't tell you about the warrant even if they wanted to. | Jul 20 05:59 |
| schestowitz | yup | Jul 20 05:59 |
| schestowitz | orwellian | Jul 20 05:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "they literally took vegina shots"> I might have seen those. | Jul 20 05:59 |
| schestowitz | they did this to wikileaks | Jul 20 05:59 |
| schestowitz | appelbaum/gmail | Jul 20 05:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, nobody ever learns anything, Roy. | Jul 20 06:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That Fappening porn wasn't even good stuff. | Jul 20 06:00 |
| schestowitz | it's never too late | Jul 20 06:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They just drew attention to themselves by getting their lawyers after it like you can delete the internet. Worked great for Scientology. | Jul 20 06:00 |
| schestowitz | Beyonce | Jul 20 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was just dumb stuff. One of them was like a 2 minute clip of some celebrity (forget who) having sex with her (then) boyfriend and filming it with her iPhone. | Jul 20 06:01 |
| schestowitz | trying to remove photos she did not like | Jul 20 06:01 |
| schestowitz | from her own public performance | Jul 20 06:01 |
| schestowitz | those became memes, instead ;_) | Jul 20 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like Barbra Streisand's house. | Jul 20 06:02 |
| schestowitz | "THESE ARE THE PHOTOS BEYONCE >DOES NOT< WANT YOU YO SHARE >0<" | Jul 20 06:02 |
| schestowitz | There are still Pam Anderson/Tommy Lee videos | Jul 20 06:02 |
| schestowitz | which I think he took himself pre-social media/smartphone era | Jul 20 06:03 |
| schestowitz | they never manage to put tjhe genie back in the bottle | Jul 20 06:03 |
| schestowitz | like putting toothpaste back in the tube | Jul 20 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, on a VHS tape. | Jul 20 06:03 |
| schestowitz | if the strategy is to reduce exposure or reach, best to ignore, not comment | Jul 20 06:03 |
| schestowitz | rianne says Kim K. and Paris Hilton also have sex tapes "out there" | Jul 20 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'm pretty sure one of my exes still has a tape of us from like 2004. | Jul 20 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not losing sleep over it. | Jul 20 06:04 |
| schestowitz | but I never stumbled upon those and don't care much | Jul 20 06:04 |
| schestowitz | I know someone whose ex-wife has tapes of them | Jul 20 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's over 18 in the video, obviously, so it wouldn't do the police any good. | Jul 20 06:05 |
| schestowitz | apparently before the Internet people did not have this concept of "upload" | Jul 20 06:05 |
| schestowitz | it did not exist yet | Jul 20 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People get on Facebook Live and murder people. | Jul 20 06:05 |
| schestowitz | Facebook DEATH | Jul 20 06:05 |
| schestowitz | Now it's "LIVE" | Jul 20 06:05 |
| schestowitz | Now it's not | Jul 20 06:05 |
| schestowitz | reflection upon society itself | Jul 20 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: When I lived in Chicago, three black teenagers kidnapped a mentally disabled man wearing a Trump hat. | Jul 20 06:06 |
| schestowitz | looking for "likes" and "# of viewers" | Jul 20 06:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Got on Facebook Live and tortured him to death. | Jul 20 06:06 |
| schestowitz | yeah, horrid | Jul 20 06:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Prosecutor did not have a hard time with that case. | Jul 20 06:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "if the strategy is to reduce exp"> Best not to put it "in the cloud". Especially since Apple actively discouraged 2FA. | Jul 20 06:08 |
| schestowitz | 2fa is overrated | Jul 20 06:09 |
| schestowitz | one factor is password they have hashed already | Jul 20 06:09 |
| schestowitz | and second is usually a device with back doors | Jul 20 06:09 |
| schestowitz | both for spies (state) and corporation | Jul 20 06:09 |
| schestowitz | so it's merely a facade of security | Jul 20 06:09 |
| schestowitz | maybe secure from china and russia state actors | Jul 20 06:09 |
| schestowitz | but that's about it | Jul 20 06:09 |
| schestowitz | 5eyes and allies get in easily, if there's will and connections | Jul 20 06:10 |
| schestowitz | Saudi, Germany, Turkey even... Israel surely | Jul 20 06:10 |
| schestowitz | 5eyes = nz, canada, au, us, uk | Jul 20 06:10 |
| schestowitz | south africa not yet | Jul 20 06:10 |
| schestowitz | but it's in the 'second tier' for access | Jul 20 06:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, we're talking about internet trolls who literally just brute forced stuff because Apple didn't rate limit them. | Jul 20 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Accumulated a bunch of sex tapes and nudes and released it. | Jul 20 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, spear phishing according to Wikipedia | Jul 20 06:15 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jul 20 06:15 |
| schestowitz | not bruce-forcing | Jul 20 06:15 |
| schestowitz | the celebs aren't too clever | Jul 20 06:15 |
| schestowitz | they'd click on anything asking to change password etc. | Jul 20 06:15 |
| schestowitz | esp. if it's alarming | Jul 20 06:15 |
| schestowitz | "apple has detected suspicious activity, click her to block the evil crackers" | Jul 20 06:15 |
| schestowitz | celeb clicks, 'logs in'.. oops | Jul 20 06:16 |
| schestowitz | all they needed was the email addy of the celeb | Jul 20 06:16 |
| schestowitz | this whole security model is a joke | Jul 20 06:16 |
| schestowitz | you end up having to teach people how to assess tlds | Jul 20 06:17 |
| schestowitz | and email source is being verified | Jul 20 06:17 |
| schestowitz | so you can send the stuff from something@apple.com | Jul 20 06:17 |
| schestowitz | the link needs to be assessed, but good luck explaining to $CELEB that apple.com.dodgysite.xyz is also bad | Jul 20 06:17 |
| schestowitz | so they end up buying overpriced proprietary software to 'protect' them | Jul 20 06:18 |
| schestowitz | and then it turns out this software too has holes in it | Jul 20 06:18 |
| schestowitz | "Electronic COmmunications Privacy Act" | Jul 20 06:24 |
| schestowitz | From the Google letter | Jul 20 06:24 |
| schestowitz | they call it Privacy Act | Jul 20 06:24 |
| schestowitz | but it's actually harming privacy | Jul 20 06:24 |
| schestowitz | the bills are always named after the opposite of what they seek to accomplish | Jul 20 06:24 |
| schestowitz | like the STRONG Patent Act | Jul 20 06:24 |
| schestowitz | STRONGER I mean | Jul 20 06:25 |
| schestowitz | so politicians vote for the opposite (or on the opposite) thing of what they THINK they do | Jul 20 06:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the fourth and final file I think doesn't contain any Google references, having just taken a very quick look | Jul 20 06:28 |
| schestowitz | I am going to take a nap now | Jul 20 06:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The gag? | Jul 20 06:28 |
| schestowitz | hope you can finish the letter from Google onwards, I have some stuff drafted for part 3 already. Thanks for the help | Jul 20 06:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mentions Google and Comcast. | Jul 20 06:28 |
| schestowitz | yes, both | Jul 20 06:28 |
| schestowitz | Comcast has monopoly in some regions | Jul 20 06:29 |
| schestowitz | so dodging their 'service' is not possible | Jul 20 06:29 |
| schestowitz | for this one we focus on Google | Jul 20 06:29 |
| schestowitz | to keep the readers' mind less scattered (which reading the raw documents can lead to; also lack of context) | Jul 20 06:29 |
| schestowitz | installment #2 from SPD might help connect us back to previous parts | Jul 20 06:30 |
| *schestowitz gets a little sleep, bbiab | Jul 20 06:30 | |
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| Ariadne | so, one of my newer projects is that i have started an organization that is going after manufacturers of tear gas grenades | Jul 20 08:19 |
| Ariadne | that organization will use SuperPAC-like tactics against those companies and the board members of those companies, to demoralize employees and investors | Jul 20 08:20 |
| Ariadne | the other side of it is that we are looking to acquire patents relating to tear gas grenades, to leverage against the tear gas grenade manufacturers in a patent trolling campaign (: | Jul 20 08:20 |
| Ariadne | i call it patent trolling for good | Jul 20 08:20 |
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| schestowitz | ● NEWS ● #bsdimp #Programming ☞ Traditional Unix ToolchainsOlder Unix systems tend to be fairly uniform in how they handle the so-called ‘toolchain’ for creating binaries. This blog will give a quick overview of the toolchain pipeline for Unix systems that follow the V7 tradition (which evolved along with Unix, a topic for a separate blog maybe). https://bsdimp.blogspot.com/2020/07/traditional-unix-toolchains.html | Jul 20 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsdimp.blogspot.com | Warner's Random Hacking Blog: Traditional Unix Toolchains | Jul 20 09:21 | |
| scientes | ugggh | Jul 20 09:24 |
| scientes | 28 degrees | Jul 20 09:24 |
| scientes | sooo hot | Jul 20 09:24 |
| scientes | and humid too | Jul 20 09:24 |
| schestowitz | not here... | Jul 20 09:26 |
| schestowitz | cool/cold still | Jul 20 09:26 |
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| XRevan86 | > It's big, and it's fat, and it's full of JavaScript. Then again, what's not? | Jul 20 10:34 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: GNU social %). | Jul 20 10:34 |
| schestowitz | I see other access means | Jul 20 10:37 |
| schestowitz | brutaldom isn't bad | Jul 20 10:38 |
| schestowitz | you can disable JS in it | Jul 20 10:38 |
| schestowitz | even in the settings | Jul 20 10:38 |
| schestowitz | and then it has a fallback mode | Jul 20 10:38 |
| schestowitz | which works | Jul 20 10:38 |
| schestowitz | this is how I submit tuxmachines posts to this channel, over viera | Jul 20 10:38 |
| schestowitz | this cut down ram and cpu usage | Jul 20 10:38 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: The Direct Line with Putin roads question video: https://youtu.be/SlivUnF7nGU | Jul 20 10:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Полный ответ Путина на вопрос о дорогах. - YouTube | Jul 20 10:39 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, what language is that guy speaking? | Jul 20 10:39 |
| scientes | he is being dubbed | Jul 20 10:40 |
| scientes | that inuit-looking guy | Jul 20 10:40 |
| scientes | XRevan86, oh, they are doing direct line again right now? | Jul 20 10:45 |
| scientes | during the heat wave | Jul 20 10:45 |
| scientes | says 26 in Peter | Jul 20 10:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, haven't heard of a new Direct Line | Jul 20 10:46 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZShseIBBIw | Jul 20 10:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LIVE: Putin speaks at annual 'Direct Line' Q&A in Moscow - YouTube | Jul 20 10:46 | |
| scientes | oh that is old | Jul 20 10:46 |
| scientes | it was wierd how it loaded | Jul 20 10:46 |
| scientes | why didn't they do one this year? | Jul 20 10:46 |
| scientes | i thought it was a regular thing | Jul 20 10:46 |
| scientes | I remember it was so staged | Jul 20 10:47 |
| scientes | every question was rediculous | Jul 20 10:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't see him as being dubbed | Jul 20 10:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not every. Do you remember the question about Putin's daughters? :) | Jul 20 10:47 |
| scientes | I guess I have no experience reading lips of Russian | Jul 20 10:47 |
| XRevan86 | The great thing is that they are indeed his daughters. | Jul 20 10:48 |
| scientes | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/04/29/putin-s-eldest-daughter-is-set-to-become-the-curator-of-a-russian-genome-project-rosneft-could-invest-up-to-a-billion-dollars-in-the-venture | Jul 20 10:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Jul 20 10:48 | |
| scientes | I always took it as a largely staged thing, where they go as long as possible to give tire people out | Jul 20 10:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That is indeed what it is. | Jul 20 10:51 |
| XRevan86 | > F**k HTTP2 and the Google horse it rode in on. Why do people even enable it on their webservers is beyond me. | Jul 20 10:52 |
| XRevan86 | insmodppa: Because HTTP/2 maintains a single connection from the client to the server, so no matter how many files you need to fetch from the server, only a single TLS handshake is made overall. | Jul 20 10:52 |
| scientes | meduza always runs the same angle every time | Jul 20 10:52 |
| scientes | like they have this: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/07/17/domestic-violence-surge instead of this: https://elpueblo.com.pe/salud-preve-incremento-de-embarazos-durante-confinamiento-por-la-covid-19/ | Jul 20 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Jul 20 10:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-elpueblo.com.pe | Salud prevé incremento de embarazos durante confinamiento por la COVID-19 - El Pueblo | Jul 20 10:52 | |
| scientes | meduza is always the bleeding heart angle | Jul 20 10:52 |
| scientes | 13 406 before, 19 330 during | Jul 20 10:53 |
| scientes | HTTP2 is old, HTTP3 is the thing now | Jul 20 10:54 |
| scientes | which doesn't even use TCP, but UDP with user-space TCP on top of it | Jul 20 10:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's its only difference | Jul 20 10:55 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but it means if I wasn't lazy I would port WireGuard to look like http/3 | Jul 20 10:55 |
| MinceR | i thought HTTP1 could already fetch files on a single connection, one after the other | Jul 20 10:56 |
| XRevan86 | > meduza is always the bleeding heart angle | Jul 20 10:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not always, but it is generally how independent news work. | Jul 20 10:56 |
| scientes | XRevan86, about as independent as my ass | Jul 20 10:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Because state media is happy to report on glorious success themselves | Jul 20 10:57 |
| scientes | they take the bleeding heart angle to such an extreme that they clearly are the state | Jul 20 10:57 |
| XRevan86 | Independent from the Kremlin agenda that is. | Jul 20 10:58 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: huh? | Jul 20 10:58 |
| *scientes is use enough to US propoganda to not get fooled by that one | Jul 20 10:58 | |
| scientes | US propaganda is all about fufilling emotional needs, with zero substance, and also preventing public discussion by riling people up and making sure their opinions are already made up | Jul 20 10:59 |
| *XRevan86 has seen state media talking about rising domestic violence. | Jul 20 10:59 | |
| XRevan86 | So this particular topic isn't suddenly brought up solely by Meduza | Jul 20 10:59 |
| scientes | since there is no substance at all they can sell people anymore, US propoganda has now turned into a bunch of lynch mobs | Jul 20 11:00 |
| scientes | anything to keep people distracted | Jul 20 11:00 |
| XRevan86 | What puts heat under this topic is the beating decriminalisation law | Jul 20 11:00 |
| XRevan86 | and the discussion about it's removal | Jul 20 11:00 |
| XRevan86 | its | Jul 20 11:00 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, but what about the "babies" angle? | Jul 20 11:00 |
| scientes | did you see those numbers in Arequipa | Jul 20 11:01 |
| scientes | babies were up like 50% | Jul 20 11:01 |
| XRevan86 | https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/2749135/pub_5eb2789b4d7f611a88b5b9ec_5eb278a17386957c8ac8724a/scale_2400 let's see… | Jul 20 11:01 |
| XRevan86 | Less babies born this year monthly than the year before | Jul 20 11:02 |
| scientes | ahh, they numbers are DOWN | Jul 20 11:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Maybe that's why | Jul 20 11:02 |
| scientes | wow, russia back to strong negative population numbers | Jul 20 11:03 |
| scientes | for the last two years | Jul 20 11:03 |
| scientes | 3 years | Jul 20 11:04 |
| scientes | when did the pension age change? | Jul 20 11:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: 2018 | Jul 20 11:04 |
| scientes | not like those people have many babies, but it seems to have had a ripple in society | Jul 20 11:05 |
| scientes | but it was already happening in 2017, so... | Jul 20 11:05 |
| scientes | recovery, and then.....back to the way it was | Jul 20 11:05 |
| scientes | XRevan86, oh wait, those are births | Jul 20 11:06 |
| scientes | it is too early for those numbers | Jul 20 11:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: first is births, second is deaths, third is population | Jul 20 11:06 |
| scientes | yeah, but those Arequipa numbers were pregnancies | Jul 20 11:06 |
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| scientes | none of these people have been born yet | Jul 20 11:07 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: touche | Jul 20 11:07 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: https://life.ru/p/1327547 | Jul 20 11:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-life.ru | Отложили рождение детей до лучших времён. В России сократилось число беременных женщин | Jul 20 11:08 | |
| XRevan86 | (state-linked media) | Jul 20 11:08 |
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| XRevan86 | > i thought HTTP1 could already fetch files on a single connection, one after the other | Jul 20 11:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A bit of a pain. | Jul 20 11:11 |
| scientes | and there use to be pipelining | Jul 20 11:11 |
| scientes | so you would have like 3 connections per site | Jul 20 11:12 |
| schestowitz | pleroma.site is back, but joindiaspora is chocking on something now | Jul 20 11:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe altogether offline | Jul 20 11:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/ | Jul 20 11:26 |
| schestowitz | weird | Jul 20 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Connection timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://joindiaspora.com/ ) | Jul 20 11:27 | |
| schestowitz | lots of thing malfunctioning today, also a netsplit just now | Jul 20 11:27 |
| schestowitz | trying not to get paranoid | Jul 20 11:27 |
| schestowitz | 3 services failing | Jul 20 11:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 20 11:29 |
| schestowitz | 504 Gateway Time-out | Jul 20 11:29 |
| schestowitz | nginx/1.6.2 | Jul 20 11:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 20 11:29 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: HTTP1.1 form of pipelining is horrible unstable. https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec8.html | Jul 20 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3.org | HTTP/1.1: Connections | Jul 20 11:32 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Servers SHOULD always respond to at least one request per connection << This is a jackass requirement that those implementing http1 web servers and proxys were well and truly allowed to obey. | Jul 20 11:33 |
| schestowitz | "The server, while currently connected to the Internet, may not be configured to allow requests." | Jul 20 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Yes Http 1.1 and before allows restriction to 1 file/part of website per connection. | Jul 20 11:34 |
| schestowitz | a netsplit happened at the same time (minute) as this downtime | Jul 20 11:34 |
| schestowitz | hence I was baffled, the likelihood of such overlap seems low, improbable | Jul 20 11:35 |
| schestowitz | just published http://techrights.org/2020/07/20/google-under-gag-order/ | Jul 20 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Revelations From Arrest of Bill Gates’ Engineer: Everything You Do on Google May Immediately Become Available to Law Enforcement (Under Gag Order; They’ll Never Tell You) | Techrights | Jul 20 11:35 | |
| schestowitz | so the subconscious tendency is something like, will someone try to suppress this somehow? (No, I don't think so) | Jul 20 11:35 |
| schestowitz | but not only gates/microsoft stand to lose from this; police and google too | Jul 20 11:36 |
| schestowitz | this shows some of their technical and legal toolboxes | Jul 20 11:36 |
| schestowitz | the goal here to to discourage hype about clown computing | Jul 20 11:36 |
| schestowitz | joindiapora was threatened before of me before | Jul 20 11:37 |
| schestowitz | charles harder (the thiel and trump lawyer) threatened them | Jul 20 11:37 |
| schestowitz | because I had 'insulted' the person who did not invent email but claimed he did | Jul 20 11:37 |
| schestowitz | after the actual inventor died | Jul 20 11:37 |
| schestowitz | in this case, there would be no legal ground for injunction | Jul 20 11:37 |
| schestowitz | I show nothing that police hasn't already shared as per FOIA | Jul 20 11:38 |
| schestowitz | anyway, let's hope the site is back soon | Jul 20 11:38 |
| schestowitz | this site alone is my bridge to twitter, the cc's are sent from there | Jul 20 11:38 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: to be correct anything you do on a system that is not yours that is owned by a USA company may be handed over the the USA police under a gag order and you will not find out until trial. | Jul 20 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes, NSLs are like that | Jul 20 11:42 |
| schestowitz | But here you can see the workflow/pipeline | Jul 20 11:43 |
| schestowitz | there might be less legal hassle/barbwire in the future | Jul 20 11:43 |
| schestowitz | for "the children" and "national security" and "the terrorists will win" | Jul 20 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Trumpism already headed in that direction | Jul 20 11:43 |
| schestowitz | lawlessness becoming norm | Jul 20 11:43 |
| schestowitz | and yet more companies, also in UK and AU, outsource their operations to these firms | Jul 20 11:44 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/13/e888c38646a34a48.jpg | Jul 20 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | ok, joindiaspora has just come back online | Jul 20 12:17 |
| Narrator | hmmm | Jul 20 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/07/18/reactions-to-upca-ratification-bill-germany-london-can-delay-plan-b-for-a-up-system-without-the-uk/?doing_wp_cron=1595247019.6171820163726806640625#comments | Jul 20 13:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Reactions to UPCA ratification bill Germany: ‘London can delay plan B for a UP system without the UK’ - Kluwer Patent Blog | Jul 20 13:12 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Max Drei is right when it says that UK is reverting to his age-old tactics of playing up mainland powers against each other. | Jul 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | I am however not sure whether France and Germany will bicker about where the work foreseen for the London Section will go. Mr Tilmann is of the clear opinion that it should go to Paris and some French lawyers were very happy by this gift from Brexit. | Jul 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | That in the explanatory note the lawyers in the Germany Ministry of Justice they also referred to Munich, appears no more than a reminder it could also be Munich. In view of the difficulties France and Germany have at the moment in the EU, it is doubtful that on such a rather minor issue they would show a dissent. | Jul 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | It rather seems that UK has only ever been participating in international treaties to be sure that it would not go again their interests. Lord Palmerton said once: The UK does not have friends or foes, it just has interests. How true! | Jul 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Its attitude in the EU is a good example. I am not thinking of the famous stance I want my money back, but rather to all exceptions UK wanted and got granted in the EU. No application of the EU Social Charta is a prime example. Before Brexit the then PM David Cameron wanted even more exceptions for UK. | Jul 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Even in the field of IP, it should be remembered that UK became a member state of the predecessor of the early DG1 of the EPO. UK joined the IIB in the mid-sixties and got full voting rights, but managed to get a ceiling to its contribution. In other words it had its fingers in the pie, but did not have to endorse all the accompanying requirements. | Jul 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | This situation repeats itself with the UPC. By signing and ratifying the UPCA but at the same time declaring not wanting to participate but not declaring its withdrawal according to the VCLT, UK is in the comfortable position to blow up the whole UPC system. | Jul 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | History is meant to repeat itself, but in the case of the UK and it applies to a large extent. | Jul 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | see prior comments as well | Jul 20 13:13 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nni0rTLg5B8 | Jul 20 13:15 |
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| MinceR | sebsebseb: apple | Jul 20 13:29 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: is this a scam ? https://globalgamers.uk/products/handheld-retro-console-400-games-in-1 | Jul 20 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-globalgamers.uk | HANDHELD RETRO CONSOLE | 400 GAMES IN 1 – GlobalGamers UK | Jul 20 13:32 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: came up on a facebook add | Jul 20 13:32 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jul 20 13:33 |
| MinceR | many of these x games in 1 (x >= 99) things are scams | Jul 20 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah? | Jul 20 13:34 |
| MinceR | some of them are just unlicensed copies of games, but i don't know how much those tend to be rebranded, modified or broken | Jul 20 13:35 |
| MinceR | i had some sort of ridiculous 64 in 1 or more brick game where the "games" were just the same 8 games over and over | Jul 20 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR yep 32 in one for the game boy, but really just 9 or 10 games and the others same name in list with different names | Jul 20 13:37 |
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| MinceR | https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/stop-killing-ducks-to-make-duck-tape.jpg | Jul 20 13:45 |
| zoobab | http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/07/20/uk-withdraws-ratification-of-the-unified-patent-court-agreement | Jul 20 13:47 |
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| zoobab | CHAMPAGNE/ORVAL! | Jul 20 13:48 |
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| zoobab | I definitely need to produce my NoUPC Orval glass | Jul 20 13:48 |
| zoobab | New models of the glass have plenty of space of the back to put the 1951 Rifkin quote | Jul 20 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Somewhere on the level of cat-a-pult | Jul 20 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | or better yet: "stop killing cats to make catsup" | Jul 20 13:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 20 13:53 |
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| oiaohm | sebsebseb: MinceR the horrible part about those scam roms is that a party could techically do a 10000 game rom using c64 based software. | Jul 20 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: the thing i linked to is probably a scam? when i say scam I mean, you put your money into that, and may not even get a product, oh and if you do get something it's some right rubbish | Jul 20 13:58 |
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| XRevan86 | > selltape: From genericised trademark Sellotape, from cello(phane) + tape. The spelling with S- was to avoid an existing trademark on the word Cellophane itself. | Jul 20 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | Trademark-driven word development | Jul 20 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | * sellotape: from | Jul 20 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | mistyped | Jul 20 14:03 |
| MinceR | buytape | Jul 20 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | Pretty weird, as it's not like there was a trademark for cellulose. | Jul 20 14:04 |
| XRevan86 | Scotch tape, sticky tape, duck/duct tape, adhesive tape, sellotape | Jul 20 14:05 |
| MinceR | red tape | Jul 20 14:05 |
| MinceR | tapeworm | Jul 20 14:05 |
| XRevan86 | sex tape | Jul 20 14:06 |
| MinceR | https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2018/10/17/real-flavor | Jul 20 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.penny-arcade.com | Penny Arcade - Comic - Real Flavor | Jul 20 14:06 | |
| XRevan86 | I wanted to make a Trump reference, but apparently it's a more generalised term: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sex_tape#English | Jul 20 14:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | sex tape - Wiktionary | Jul 20 14:07 | |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: most likely a scam there are lots of 400 games in one and the like that turn out to be between 10 to 16 game duplicated over and over again. Out of that 10 to 16 games most likely not licensed correctly. If not you will most likely find that all the roms are on archive.org for free and the emulation will be better if you use a rasbery pi instead of their cheap as they can implementation. | Jul 20 14:08 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: basically just because you get 400 games does not mean it comes with a emulator can make a decent fist of it. | Jul 20 14:09 |
| oiaohm | So basically choose your screwed basically. Either they are fake and you don't get the games or they really have that many games but they are all basically unplayable. | Jul 20 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: or they take money, but get no hardware | Jul 20 14:11 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: or get some really rubbishey bit of hardware maybe | Jul 20 14:11 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I got a game boy card like MinceR was saying | Jul 20 14:12 |
| sebsebseb | I also got two other game things a bit like this, but they were bought at a musuem, so more genuin etc, and there are games etc on tere | Jul 20 14:12 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: I just noticed it's GIMP'd. I figured it could be from some Monstration, but I guess not. | Jul 20 14:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 20 14:14 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: XRevan86 oiaohm long video but how about the fake PS5 someone linked to that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpFTzQMyqOg | Jul 20 14:19 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: XRevan86 what do you think about snap and flatpak ? | Jul 20 14:43 |
| MinceR | they're evil | Jul 20 14:51 |
| MinceR | snap depends on a proprietary server software only canonical has access to | Jul 20 14:52 |
| MinceR | and they probably both depend on cancerd | Jul 20 14:52 |
| MinceR | also, flatpak comes from proprietarydesktop and snap comes from canonical | Jul 20 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: thought you would be against, but both propritayr o h ? | Jul 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | [13:36] <MinceR> i had some sort of ridiculous 64 in 1 or more brick game where the "games" were just the same 8 games over and over | Jul 20 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I remember those LOL | Jul 20 14:58 |
| schestowitz | no sense of shame | Jul 20 14:59 |
| schestowitz | [13:48] <zoobab> CHAMPAGNE/ORVAL! | Jul 20 15:00 |
| schestowitz | you beat me to it by 10 minutes | Jul 20 15:01 |
| schestowitz | I saw it in RSS feeds, don't do social control media and checking email infrequently | Jul 20 15:01 |
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| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: span is evil-er | Jul 20 15:12 |
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| MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/13/7423e4d71909e685.mp4 | Jul 20 15:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Apple | Jul 20 15:58 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: snap you meant ? | Jul 20 15:58 |
| MinceR | old | Jul 20 15:58 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: right | Jul 20 15:58 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Apple is an old company yep | Jul 20 15:58 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: I have mosaic on here for a while, maybe Canonical been spying on me already then | Jul 20 15:59 |
| sebsebseb | it's a snap | Jul 20 15:59 |
| sebsebseb | it got oepnded up earlier too snce for some reason links goes to from irc now | Jul 20 15:59 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: MinceR actsually snaps looks kind of interestng the things can get | Jul 20 15:59 |
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| MinceR | sandboxes that do nothing? | Jul 20 16:04 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft's proposal for HTTP/2 was actually called S&M. | Jul 20 20:47 |
| MinceR | is their proposal for HTTP/3 called BDSM? | Jul 20 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have a long history of making jokes about stuff like this and then nobody says anything. | Jul 20 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/1285223477402902531 | Jul 20 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: You need a custom #powershell script and registry fiddling to completely remove #Microsoft #onedrive from… https://t.co/YXr9FmHSbs | Jul 20 20:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: You need a custom #powershell script and registry fiddling to completely remove #Microsoft #onedrive from… https://t.co/YXr9FmHSbs | Jul 20 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 20 20:54 |
| schestowitz | You need a custom #powershell script and registry fiddling to completely remove #Microsoft #onedrive from #Windows10 #Vista10 | Jul 20 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Shocker! | Jul 20 20:54 |
| schestowitz | cc/@schestowitz | Jul 20 20:54 |
| schestowitz | // old tricks to leverage mkt share, like "MSIE is an integral part of the O.S." | Jul 20 20:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 20 20:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WillowWyse/status/1285198131219648512 | Jul 20 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WillowWyse: @schestowitz @Trump Are any of these cases medically diagnosed? Is a manufacturing process that amplifies DNA debri… https://t.co/jpDY5LHGdq | Jul 20 20:55 | |
| schestowitz | "Are any of these cases medically diagnosed? Is a manufacturing process that amplifies DNA debris a reliable way to diagnose disease? Does it even find a virus?" | Jul 20 20:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1285189519801757696 | Jul 20 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz @DavidGlaude @Pour_EVA | Jul 20 20:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1285188331270221824 | Jul 20 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: nobody should vote for a candidate that won't accept the result...obvious, really https://t.co/Fam0uKaaOj | Jul 20 20:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ 'Existential Threat to Our Democracy': Trump Refuses to Commit to Accepting 2020 Election… https://t.co/tldx1zbv5J | Jul 20 20:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WWG1WGAQDS/status/1285167098679840769 | Jul 20 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WWG1WGAQDS: @schestowitz @mr_squeege Wayfair sx trafficking children seems highly suspicious but if Reuter’s fact checked it it… https://t.co/VhcQz3Qh80 | Jul 20 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | "Wayfair sx trafficking children seems highly suspicious but if Reuter’s fact checked it it well that’s that. It must just be our imaginations." | Jul 20 21:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DennisL70351615/status/1285164722304815110 | Jul 20 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DennisL70351615: @schestowitz @mr_squeege You know your TO CLOSE TO THE TRUTH win THEY ARE PUSHING THIS HARD TO STOP YOU !!! | Jul 20 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fen_ster/status/1285154937912131584 | Jul 20 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fen_ster: @schestowitz @mr_squeege “Dark obsessions”. Lol. We’ve got all the time to talk about the Dark Obsessions of those “mainstream people.” | Jul 20 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AzulAnon/status/1285150431153278978 | Jul 20 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AzulAnon: @schestowitz @mr_squeege Best believe!!! If you do your due diligence and research contained within the posts of t… https://t.co/CfnglCPSst | Jul 20 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 20 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Best believe!!! | Jul 20 21:00 |
| schestowitz | If you do your due diligence and research contained within the posts of the entity known only as #Q, it becomes harder and harder to dismiss. With such a massive audience as #TheGreatAwakening, the level of intense study and discussion has brought us so very far! | Jul 20 21:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 20 21:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/1285074208335306754 | Jul 20 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz oh crap | Jul 20 21:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KatKarma5/status/1284894619696693249 | Jul 20 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KatKarma5: @schestowitz #FUCKBILLGATES | Jul 20 21:01 | |
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| schestowitz | so many nuts in twitter now | Jul 20 21:07 |
| schestowitz | see above, qanon idiots too | Jul 20 21:07 |
| schestowitz | it's worse than GAB even | Jul 20 21:07 |
| schestowitz | and MINDS is a similar level | Jul 20 21:07 |
| schestowitz | a few good users are still on there | Jul 20 21:07 |
| schestowitz | fewer over time | Jul 20 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "// old tricks to leverage mkt sh"> There was a program that went through ripping IE and stuff out of Windows 98 and putting in the Windows 95 B shell. | Jul 20 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Worked better after you rebooted. It was best to do it on a clean install. | Jul 20 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I did clean install, ran that, rebooted, installed my drivers and the web browser I wanted to use. | Jul 20 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I have an article about this on the way | Jul 20 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then patched up Windows 98 with whatever still applied, like the 47.5 day bug. | Jul 20 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was really a big relief because most of the security patches applied to stuff I didn't even have anymore, including Trident/IE. | Jul 20 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you're on dial up, that really helps. | Jul 20 21:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I had a system that came with XP and I ended up putting 98 SE on it and running that program again. | Jul 20 21:10 |
| schestowitz | I'll add these as notes/quotes for the article | Jul 20 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wasn't really up to run XP, it was one of those "We lowered our system requirements on XP to Fantasy Document to let OEMs sell cheap junk that could barely work at all." things. | Jul 20 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But man did it fly with Windows 98 SE on it. | Jul 20 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I got done with it. | Jul 20 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft still plays games with their minimum system requirements. When they used the backdoor to foist Windows 10 on older PCs, a lot of them that it didn't just completely mess up came back up and were so slow they hardly worked anymore. | Jul 20 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It got so bad that Steve Gibson wrote a program called Never10 to toggle some registry bits and remove the "Get Windows 10" app. | Jul 20 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people, given a choice, will just keep using their computer the way it was, because Windows 10 is so much worse than Windows 7 ever was. | Jul 20 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, you'd leave the computer on one evening and here's Windows 10. You didn't ask for it. It's just there now. | Jul 20 21:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They got some management that was somewhat serious about cleaning up the Vista mess and things improved for a short time, but then "orders from on high" to start packing it full of crap that is nothing that any user would have asked for. Then they have "gimmick skus" that hide the real price of the computer "Windows 10 S", you know. You get it home and then it wants $100 more dollars so you can run real programs. | Jul 20 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Simple extortion. "S" was a trojan horse, so they started backing off from the demands for more money and called it a "mode" that could "prevent viruses" (along with most programs, but hey!). | Jul 20 21:18 |
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| MinceR | ass mode | Jul 20 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft thought it could pull a fast one. "Oh, what a nice laptop, and only $899 with decent hardware?". | Jul 20 21:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | S MODE! | Jul 20 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Suddenly the smoke begins to clear and you realize you have a $1,000 laptop. | Jul 20 21:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's just a bad idea to run Windows for so many reasons. There's the viruses, the bloat. The fact that mandatory "upgrades" remove features you were using and move them to a more expensive SKU they just made up that you have to pay for again. Spyware built in. | Jul 20 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "We removed your file system. Time to pay us $100 more dollars for this SKU that has that file system again!" | Jul 20 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Per system!" | Jul 20 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "We have removed Paint.exe. It was far too simple and people knew how to use it. Here's Paint 3D which doesn't work anything like Paint did.". | Jul 20 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "We have saved 1.5 MB on a 100 GB operating system!" | Jul 20 21:23 |
| MinceR | well, at least you still have shit like minesweeper | Jul 20 21:24 |
| MinceR | only this time it's adware | Jul 20 21:24 |
| schestowitz | cheers, DaemonFC[m] | Jul 20 21:27 |
| schestowitz | I make copy of your mental notes\ | Jul 20 21:27 |
| *schestowitz will probably publish something about this by midnight | Jul 20 21:28 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: telemetry and ads. | Jul 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | telemetry= surveillance | Jul 20 21:28 |
| MinceR | you mean "spyware and ads" | Jul 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | but sounds more like a science | Jul 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | the data scientists of Microsoft shall meter you | Jul 20 21:28 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | even the calculator | Jul 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | not just vscode | Jul 20 21:29 |
| MinceR | "i used to be a malware author, but now i'm a data scientist!" | Jul 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | it seems to be everywhere | Jul 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | (Firefox also) | Jul 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | with that code having been OUTSOURCED TO MICROSOFT | Jul 20 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't really hide from the updates without breaking the operating system on purpose with Windows 10. Eventually it tries to force them in even if you're on a metered connection. | Jul 20 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Glean and other project | Jul 20 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's the most horrible OS there's ever been. | Jul 20 21:30 |
| schestowitz | like crash reporters | Jul 20 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So people break the OS to hide from the updates, which would probably break their OS. | Jul 20 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you won't get security updates, and the real fun begins. | Jul 20 21:31 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgflip.com/1m8h64.jpg | Jul 20 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. | Jul 20 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like living on quicksand. They have something like an LTS that is much more conservative about updates and doesn't break as often, but that's only for "Enterprise" customers. | Jul 20 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you use the normal release channel (everything listed as a Consumer SKU does) you're getting updates that have not been tested almost as fast as they're being compiled by Microsoft. So that's why it's breaking almost every month. | Jul 20 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were many bugs in Windows XP where there was a hotfix, but they made it aggravating to get at, because they didn't want to test them with the usual QA (which was not great) and it might break some program. | Jul 20 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Over the support lifecycle of XP, there were nearly 200 of these that I counted. | Jul 20 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they just shovel everything they wrote that month into a mega patch of death and you have no idea what it does or why, and you reboot and hope it reboots....so you can find out if it broke something. | Jul 20 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's depressing that people will even put up with this, and that's a lot of the reason why desktop Linux at least tripled since Windows 10 and more people are buying Chromebooks and Macs trying to get away from it. | Jul 20 21:37 |
| psydroid | eventually only businesses stuck with Windows applications and gamers stuck in the Windows ecosystem of malware will be the ones who will use it | Jul 20 21:38 |
| MinceR | i doubt they can get far away from that with crapOS | Jul 20 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft desperately wants a sub $300 PC with Windows 10, but they always fail and sometimes take out the company that partnered with them in the process. I guess Kano is next. | Jul 20 21:38 |
| MinceR | crapOS is becoming a walled garden | Jul 20 21:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It is, but it solves the immediate problem of your PC only even booting up and working intermittently. | Jul 20 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the OS is crashing all the time, people won't pay big bucks to be in Apple's walled garden. | Jul 20 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it has to at least work. | Jul 20 21:39 |
| psydroid | if they really wanted a sub $300 PC they would make Windows ARM work with Raspberry Pi 4 | Jul 20 21:39 |
| MinceR | they can't make Backdoors work | Jul 20 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody wants to constantly be dealing with unplanned downtime, but that's what Windows 10 is, and pretending it's anything else is foolish and the stuff that only the paid media would even pretend. | Jul 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't met a single real user who put Windows 10 on something/bought a computer with it, and liked it. | Jul 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The first thing my dad did with it was go "Oh, gross." and replaced it with Ubuntu. | Jul 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He used to use Windows XP and then went to Linux full time with Vista. | Jul 20 21:41 |
| psydroid | the constant changes and updates are because Microsoft is now a headless chicken and doesn't know what to do to stop the bleeding from happening anyway so they throw in everything and the kitchen sink in the hope that some of it will stick around? | Jul 20 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought that Microsoft was getting their house in order with Windows 7 because it wasn't terribly unreliable as Windows goes. | Jul 20 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 8/10 are just sprawl. It's like the decaying shopping malls of COVID-19 America, packed into an OS. | Jul 20 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rusting shopping carts and everything. | Jul 20 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody at Microsoft is interested in cleaning it up. It jut gets worse. | Jul 20 21:43 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/683411.jpg | Jul 20 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They spent a lot of money and development resources on the entire "Windows Runtime"/Metro stuff, and nobody wants it. Nobody wants to use it. They use it with what Microsoft now calls "Classic Apps", which are still basically all the applications written for Windows. | Jul 20 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if they can't access most of the new APIs, the people writing them and using them don't care. | Jul 20 21:44 |
| psydroid | I installed it on my cousin's laptop with the explicit instruction to only use it for playing one Windows game and to use Kubuntu for everything else | Jul 20 21:45 |
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| psydroid | but yes, no one wants to develop new software with Microsoft technologies, which pretty much guarantees the eventual death of the entire platform | Jul 20 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: nice meme (book) | Jul 20 21:58 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: except\ digital 'fossils' | Jul 20 21:59 |
| schestowitz | they learn the hard way | Jul 20 21:59 |
| MinceR | (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/Bq0GsOz.mp4 | Jul 20 22:04 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: see, the cat gets in and out on its own ^ | Jul 20 22:04 |
| MinceR | s/its/their/ | Jul 20 22:04 |
| schestowitz | if there's a way it there's usually a way out | Jul 20 22:06 |
| schestowitz | without his/her hoooman | Jul 20 22:06 |
| kingoffrance | well windows just seems they move guis around cuz we can | Jul 20 22:16 |
| kingoffrance | maybe im a fossil | Jul 20 22:16 |
| kingoffrance | but i dont see any major changes | Jul 20 22:17 |
| kingoffrance | just make you retrain | Jul 20 22:17 |
| MinceR | major changes would require software engineers, which they don't have | Jul 20 22:17 |
| kingoffrance | and, unlike *nix -- you cant stick with twm or fvwm | Jul 20 22:17 |
| MinceR | also, it would require expenditure on development, which they consider to be a waste of money | Jul 20 22:17 |
| kingoffrance | did you like my computer? its gone now too bad | Jul 20 22:18 |
| kingoffrance | you learned control panel? yeah, thats obsolete | Jul 20 22:18 |
| kingoffrance | we kept the floppy for "save" though lol | Jul 20 22:18 |
| kingoffrance | its like their trolling ppl | Jul 20 22:18 |
| MinceR | i hated "my computer" | Jul 20 22:18 |
| MinceR | they could never guess whose computer it was | Jul 20 22:18 |
| kingoffrance | well yeah but now i gotta click x places just to get to damn list of drives | Jul 20 22:18 |
| psydroid | they had their pinnacle around windows 2000 and then realised things were too easy so they had to work hard on obscuring everything | Jul 20 22:20 |
| kingoffrance | remember active desktop? ads in your start menu now | Jul 20 22:20 |
| kingoffrance | "your" | Jul 20 22:20 |
| kingoffrance | did i say your computer? i meant mine | Jul 20 22:20 |
| psydroid | of course windows 2000 wasn't really usable until sp4 and then they decided it had to go | Jul 20 22:21 |
| psydroid | lol | Jul 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | kde and gnome also change systemsettings a lot | Jul 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | and rather often | Jul 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | but I still find those intuitive to follow | Jul 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | the changes most beneficial | Jul 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | refactoring settings | Jul 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | simplifying them | Jul 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | improving how it's all visualise | Jul 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | *sed | Jul 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | in suse they also used to have yast2 as disjoint | Jul 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I think this was improved | Jul 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | in the past you could break your DE/WM with the settings | Jul 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | like choosing some bad decors | Jul 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | so all in all, i think we can be reasonably happy. gnome removed far too many options | Jul 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | with gnome3 it's like they decided to just tell you how to work | Jul 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | so many options and things were removed | Jul 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | installing new cursors and themes and customisation is a mess | Jul 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | even with "Tweak" | Jul 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | it's jusst ridiculous | Jul 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | they made the whole thing very hard to work with and configure | Jul 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | in the name of making things "simple" | Jul 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: another 100 deaths in FL | Jul 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | UK as a whole... 11 | Jul 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | mostly people over 70 | Jul 20 22:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <psydroid "but yes, no one wants to develop"> The amusing part is that, in essentially freezing the API that everyone is using in place, Microsoft gave Wine a major leg up. | Jul 20 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eventually it catches up to that and then nobody needs Windows. | Jul 20 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they kept adding to Win32, it would have remained a constant battle of Microsoft adds something, Wine has no support, back to square 1 and figure out how it works. | Jul 20 22:39 |
| schestowitz | true | Jul 20 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Winelib gains ground on becoming feature complete because Win32 is essentially mothballed. | Jul 20 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | foobar2000 actually works better than ever in Wine in version 1.6 beta of foobar2000. | Jul 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It dropped all of the legacy crap it kept around to run on Windows 2000/XP. | Jul 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The author acknowledged that a lot of that had bugs but if you fixed those bugs then the program didn't work right on those platforms, so the minimum is now Windows 7 and an SSE2 processor. | Jul 20 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That gave him the opportunity to drop all of the audio code that wasn't WASAPI. It seems to get along much better with Pulseaudio and ALSA as a side effect. | Jul 20 22:42 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The code that had to assume the legacy audio stack of Windows would drop out a lot unless you increased the size of the output buffer, which would cause issues with the plug-ins. | Jul 20 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course the legacy stack is still part of the Windows audio system, but Microsoft strongly discourages using it. I'm sure some people do anyway. | Jul 20 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows XP support was just getting ridiculous. There isn't even a web browser that runs right on it anymore. | Jul 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | we made these points a long time ago | Jul 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | around vista days | Jul 20 22:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <psydroid "of course windows 2000 wasn't re"> Yeah, canceling SP5 and doing a "hotfix rollup", and then leaving severe flaws unfixed while it was still "supported" to discourage people from using it. | Jul 20 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not as bad as them sabotaging Windows 95 with a Common Controls library that leaked with IE 5 and then never fixing that, even if you installed 5.5 later. | Jul 20 22:58 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | ToastyTech has a version of that dll that doesn't leak that shipped with the IE 5.0 beta, so Microsoft added the bug in the "stable" release of IE 5. | Jul 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | it appears to be the only difference between the two dlls. | Jul 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you install IE 5.5, it will try to dll stomp it again with the buggy version, and then you have to clobber it again with the one from the IE 5 beta. | Jul 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft has a long history of sabotaging (sometimes actively, sometimes passively) their old products on the way out so that sticking to something that did work becomes untenable. Once is a mistake, and 5 times is a pattern. | Jul 20 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "We're not going to go back and revisit this wormable bug in Windows 2000 even though it has 2 years of support left. You can always just upgrade to Windows 2008.". | Jul 20 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Except that you can't because it's built on Windows Vista and quadruples the system requirements. | Jul 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you can run a server that's swiss cheese or you can buy new hardware. (They didn't mention switch it to Ubuntu Server.....) | Jul 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's how they get you by the balls, because eventually software does everything we need from it and minor updates that keep it relevant on current hardware are not going to bring in megabucks. So they stop releasing security fixes and drivers. | Jul 20 23:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they were mostly concerned with bug fixing and infrastructure, they'd basically still have something that resembled an improved Windows 2000 that wasn't 10% of the size of Windows 10. | Jul 20 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even having to think about the software very often is a sign that it's not working properly. | Jul 20 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Much less being horrified every time it says "Updates are available.". | Jul 20 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John wasn't great with computers and was Rick Jones level stupid actually. | Jul 20 23:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's probably under surveillance and he lives in Seattle now allegedly. | Jul 20 23:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe the same detective will pull his case up. | Jul 20 23:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Windows 10 was constantly demanding to back things up onto OneDrive. | Jul 20 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was like "LOL! No." | Jul 20 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't constantly up your "free storage" quota because they feel like giving you something just to be nice. | Jul 20 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who knows what John is putting on OneDrive. He definitely is that dumb. | Jul 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | TSA employing pedophiles.. | Jul 20 23:14 |
| schestowitz | with their "wongs" | Jul 20 23:15 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, and if he's accumulating another trove of child porn on Windows 10, and backing up to the cloud, then they are knowingly employing a child molester at the TSA. John Salinas had conversations when gay.com existed, with several men who appeared to be in their 40s and 50s and was ruminating about things that he would like to do with them to their children, who were 6-12 years old. DHS/TSA is employing a child | Jul 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | molester who would come home from work sometimes and tell me about some of the people he enjoyed touching as they came through the airports at Midway and O'Hare in Chicago. | Jul 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There we go. Now let Google index that. Sick person.. | Jul 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him that this was sick and reminded John that he had brothers and sisters who were approximately that age, and asked how he would feel if someone victimized them like that. To which he was unresponsive. | Jul 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz | There's that old saying about how pedophiles are easy to control by threats | Jul 20 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I guess you have leverage over that John | Jul 20 23:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government only comes down on people and makes an example out of them if it serves a purpose. I don't know what Rick Jones did to piss someone off, but they must have been really pissed off. | Jul 20 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John could "come to the attention" of Microsoft or Google the same way he did. | Jul 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Rick Johns [sic] Salinas | Jul 20 23:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I didn't really want to threaten him with it. I just told him to knock off whatever he was up to so we could get through the years remaining on the car loan and then separate. | Jul 20 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Well, at least I can say now TSA employs pedophiles | Jul 20 23:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If anything, I was the hostage, and now my credit rating and public record is destroyed anyway and there's no reason for me not to talk about him. | Jul 20 23:26 |
| schestowitz | and lets them touch kids | Jul 20 23:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He liked doing that. He told me that he enjoyed the 14-15 year olds a lot. | Jul 20 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I asked him what the hell was wrong with him and why he couldn't just look at 18 year olds, or people his own age. | Jul 20 23:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe do some research on pedophilia at the TSS | Jul 20 23:28 |
| schestowitz | *TSA | Jul 20 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I am sure there are past scandals | Jul 20 23:28 |
| schestowitz | and you might want to also inform them | Jul 20 23:29 |
| kingoffrance | yes, some ppl have this "confess random stuff to strangers" like they want to see your reaction or something | Jul 20 23:29 |
| schestowitz | (I think you should) | Jul 20 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are. They had this guy at Midway who was a complete pervert. | Jul 20 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First they put him on third shift and then they quietly got rid of him. This was in 2016 I think. | Jul 20 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Took them months to get rid of him, and he was in his probationary period, so they could have gotten rid of him immediately. | Jul 20 23:29 |
| schestowitz | he is in a sense using a paid job at the TSA to molest young adults, not even adults.. | Jul 20 23:30 |
| schestowitz | and they're not aware of it | Jul 20 23:30 |
| schestowitz | you have a moral duty to say/do something, but I cannot force you to | Jul 20 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He would sexually harass flyers and he grabbed one man by the dick and told him he was "well endowed". | Jul 20 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then he told someone else "Spread em!". and that was when they moved him to third shift. | Jul 20 23:30 |
| schestowitz | so there are victims | Jul 20 23:31 |
| schestowitz | you should do something | Jul 20 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh yeah. | Jul 20 23:31 |
| schestowitz | report to the ncmec equivalents for non-digital | Jul 20 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The TSA mostly hires losers and people who gave up on life and gives them a career with twice the pay and benefits they could get anywhere else, and keeps them even when they do shit that they'd get fired for at Walmart. | Jul 20 23:31 |
| schestowitz | John Salinas seems like a common name | Jul 20 23:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's a ghetto agency and you're literally being "protected from terrorists" by the chain smoker who moonlights at the car wash. | Jul 20 23:32 |
| schestowitz | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6592785/Food-banks-pop-America-help-unpaid-TSA-workers.html | Jul 20 23:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Food banks pop up across America to help unpaid TSA workers | Daily Mail Online | Jul 20 23:33 | |
| schestowitz | wtf? | Jul 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | he's there | Jul 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | "TSA worker John Salinas (right) receives food from..." | Jul 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | i cannot see the rest as I am ad-blocking | Jul 20 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, during the shutdown we had people interviewing us at the food bank. | Jul 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | "TSA employees continue call in sick so they can look for alternative ways to pay their bills" | Jul 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | This is last year | Jul 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | they still employ this pedophile | Jul 20 23:34 |
| schestowitz | report him today | Jul 20 23:34 |
| schestowitz | https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/15/06/8536868-6592785-image-a-30_1547532581035.jpg | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because John didn't get paid for almost two months and we were in big trouble because of that. | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was humiliating kind of, but I was pretty pissed off about the shutdown, so I kind of played into it. | Jul 20 23:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that's him. | Jul 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz | you need to report him | Jul 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz | he abuses people | Jul 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz | pleasuring himself at their expense | Jul 20 23:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Jesus, there I am too. It was a very bad year. | Jul 20 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'll probably report him to someone in a couple of weeks. | Jul 20 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | thanks, it would not put you at risk | Jul 20 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The probation mess he got me into closes out on the 7th with a case dismissal. | Jul 20 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't want anyone asking me questions while that's still open. | Jul 20 23:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If they don't take him back at TSA then nobody is worse off for it. It just means nobody else has their child groped by him. | Jul 20 23:38 |
| schestowitz | people tend to keep quiet about TSA abuse | Jul 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | for all sorts of reasons | Jul 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | so there can be many silent victims out there | Jul 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | TSA sometimes gets sued, when going overboard like sticking fingers inside people | Jul 20 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | John is already grabbing people's genitals | Jul 20 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | you need to report him | Jul 20 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who would even listen to me after what he did to me last year? | Jul 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | he's not just fantasising but abusing people, even kids | Jul 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: gather evidence | Jul 20 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and I'm over here wondering how this could blow up on me if I say anything to them. | Jul 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | in a way that makes it not possible to dent | Jul 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | *deny | Jul 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | to stop the abuse | Jul 20 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They need to do something about him but my credibility is shot because of last year. | Jul 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | retribution? | Jul 20 23:41 |
| schestowitz | don't it | Jul 20 23:41 |
| schestowitz | you already did the probation officer 'thing' | Jul 20 23:41 |
| schestowitz | now it'll be his turn | Jul 20 23:41 |
| schestowitz | and you harmed nobody, unlike him | Jul 20 23:41 |
| schestowitz | do you want me to highlight tsa in twitter? | Jul 20 23:42 |
| schestowitz | with the name? | Jul 20 23:42 |
| schestowitz | he might not even know where that comes from | Jul 20 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Please don't mention my name if you do. | Jul 20 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The last thing I need right now is another problem. | Jul 20 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's a pervert and he's using his job at TSA to gain access to minors. | Jul 20 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Turns out that @TSA still employs pedophiles who take pleasure in touching kids and collect child porn. | Jul 20 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Is that OK? | Jul 20 23:44 |
| schestowitz | no name, unless they ask | Jul 20 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or I could just talk to the FBI about this myself. | Jul 20 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have a tip line. | Jul 20 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Let's see if there's followup | Jul 20 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm married now. I might have a future. | Jul 20 23:46 |
| schestowitz | you can keep out of it, for yourself | Jul 20 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't want to rock the boat by revisiting the whole "John" thing other than to say he's a fucking creep. | Jul 20 23:46 |
| schestowitz | if I'm threatened over it, I can handle it | Jul 20 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wish I had never met him. He's the worst thing that has ever happened to me. | Jul 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I can rub off the surname from IRC logs today, in 13 minutes when it's midnight | Jul 20 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. It just has to be enough to get them to look into sources that they can already access. | Jul 20 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know they can dig into his onedrive and his chrome and everything. | Jul 20 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't need anything from me. They just need to look where they already can because he's backing it up somewhere or some part of Windows is logging it. | Jul 20 23:48 |
| schestowitz | yup | Jul 20 23:48 |
| schestowitz | but they migth need the name as a pointer | Jul 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | IF they ask me | Jul 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | you say he has 'history' | Jul 20 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe people have complained about him before and they closed the investigation. | Jul 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | like getting demoted for inappropriate conduct | Jul 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | and they have footage of their staff handling young passengers | Jul 20 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, on gay.com and on grindr most likely. | Jul 20 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably also in tacoism @ yahoo and tacoism123 @ gmail (iirc). | Jul 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz | TSA has 237.5K Followers in Twitter | Jul 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz | who the heck FOLLOWS TSA? | Jul 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 20 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably to see whose dildos and shampoo got confiscated today. | Jul 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Did they ever in their whole history even catch a terrorist? | Jul 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Or just tourrists? | Jul 20 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He lost track of a pizza one time and got written up for it. | Jul 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | pizza is also pedophile code | Jul 20 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "Or just tourrists?"> He told me they've found guns in people's bags before. The Chicago Police take over. | Jul 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | iirc, it's a young person, child | Jul 20 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Chicago police sometimes walk around with with assaullt rifles and stuff as theater. | Jul 20 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The TSA is a bunch of losers and nobodies. They're like the mall cops whose job it is to go get the real cops if anything happens. | Jul 20 23:53 |
| schestowitz | yeah, we have those here too | Jul 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | but... | Jul 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | a friend of mine was a mall 'cop' | Jul 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | he used to be in hotel security before | Jul 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | then he took a job in the "real" police | Jul 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Greater Manchester Police | Jul 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | he took some beatings from people whom he policed around the hotel | Jul 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | it's not s risk- | Jul 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | it's not a risk-free job | Jul 20 23:55 |
| schestowitz | sometimes you deal with thugs and "yobs" | Jul 20 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Well, with threats you have to be proactive and raise the bar for pulling something off so that few people could. | Jul 20 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Otherwise there's just no point in investing the resources. | Jul 20 23:55 |
| schestowitz | you don't have weapons and they can be merciless | Jul 20 23:55 |
| schestowitz | he broke a tooth to one who head-butted him | Jul 20 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The TSA is very reactive. They see someone get on a plane and the passengers end up stopping him from blowing them up at the last second. | Jul 20 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they change procedure so that particular attack probably won't work again, but maybe something else will. | Jul 20 23:56 |
| schestowitz | the liquid bans | Jul 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | shoe checks | Jul 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | etc. | Jul 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | one of many reasons I barely travel anymore, too much of a pain to board a stupid plane | Jul 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | we last traveled to Germany 2 years ago | Jul 20 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's kind of like a secure model for software design that anticipates failure and tries to minimize the fallout before it happens (sandboxing, fuzzing to find problems, etc.) vs. waiting for a zero day and then patching that particular hole and nothing els.e | Jul 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | I hardly even enjoyed the trip | Jul 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | they only secure so-called 'planes' | Jul 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | but not trains.. | Jul 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | buses.. | Jul 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | and many other things that can rip many lives apart without an actual crash | Jul 20 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sooner or later, there will be something that is successful and it'll just be something they never thought of. | Jul 20 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then it's the government, so what do you do? | Jul 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | in Orlando 50 or so people were mowed down with AR | Jul 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | or maybe 50 is more like the number in NZ | Jul 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | one man, one rifles | Jul 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | *one rifle | Jul 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | and there's no really easy solution to that | Jul 20 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus, I told John what about all those people in the airport. | Jul 20 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He said, "Yeah, but we're worried about what happens on the plane.". | Jul 20 23:59 |
| schestowitz | 60k cases | Jul 20 23:59 |
| schestowitz | 2 more hours to go | Jul 20 23:59 |
| schestowitz | 65k last week | Jul 20 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "The bad guys don't care _where_ they kill a bunch of people. Maybe the 4 hour line to get to TSA is where they attack if they give up trying to get past you." | Jul 20 23:59 |
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